'Bribery', ‘Vote buying’: Trump's 5k bribery plot to buy off midterms sparks massive backlash

President Donald Trump has been accused of bribery and vote buying online after he offered $5000 dividend checks to American adults if Republicans won the midterms.

唐纳德·特朗普总统在网上被指控贿赂和买票，原因是他承诺，如果共和党在中期选举获胜，将向美国成年人发放5000美元的分红支票。

“I will give $5,000 to every adult if we win,” Trump said and the excerpt of his speech was shared widely online.

“如果我们赢了，我给每个成年人发5000美元。”特朗普说，这段讲话节选在网上疯传。

One page sharing the video wrote “Trump attempts to bribe people to vote for Republicans in the midterms.”

一个转发视频的页面写道：“特朗普试图贿赂选民在中期选举投票给共和党。”

Trump's $5000 check promise sparks backlash

特朗普5000美元支票承诺引发强烈反弹

Several critics were quick to point out that Trump was offering money for votes essentially, ahead of the midterms. “Today Trump tried to buy the midterms by offering all voters a $5,000 bribe in exchange for their votes, provided they spend the cash in the U.S. Since the Fed will have to print the money, the result would be massive inflation, well in excess of anything experienced under Biden,” American stockbroker Peter Schiff noted.

多位批评者迅速指出，特朗普实质上是在中期选举前拿钱换选票。“今天特朗普试图贿买中期选举：给所有选民发5000美元贿赂换取选票，前提是这笔钱必须在美国境内消费。由于美联储得印这笔钱，结果将是大规模通胀，远超拜登时期。”美国股票经纪人彼得·希夫（Peter Schiff）指出。

Another remarked “lol. trump openly bribing people to vote for republicans. $5k per person if republicans hold the house and the senate?”. Yet another criticized the president, saying “That's $2 trillion of taxpayers' money in freebies - the Venezuela model. In a real democracy, this is vote-buying, and he would be banned from contesting.”

另一位网友说：“笑死。特朗普公然贿赂民众投共和党。如果共和党保住参众两院，每人发5000？”还有一位批评总统：“那是两万亿美元纳税人的白送钱——委内瑞拉模式。在真正的民主国家，这叫买票，他会被取消参选资格。”

One person further explained "A sitting US president publicly promised tonight every adult a $5,000 "Trump dividend" if Republicans win full control of Congress, running directly into severe legal and structural barriers. The primary legal threat is 18 U.S.C. § 600, which criminalizes promising government benefits made possible by Congress as a reward for supporting a political party. Tying the money to GOP control fits § 600 far more closely than a standard tax-cut pledge. Vote-buying statutes like 18 U.S.C. § 597 and 52 U.S.C. § 10307(c) also apply."

有人进一步解释：“在任美国总统今晚公开承诺，如果共和党赢得国会两院完全控制权，就给每个成年人发5000美元‘特朗普分红’，这直接撞上严重的法律和制度障碍。最主要的法律威胁是《美国法典》第18编第600条，该条将‘承诺给予国会才能提供的政府福利以换取对政党的支持’定为刑事犯罪。把这笔钱与共和党执政捆绑，比一般的减税承诺更贴合第600条。《美国法典》第18编第597条和《美国法典》第52编第10307条(c)款等买票法规同样适用。”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/trump-bribery-vote-buying-5k-dividend-check-offer-at-rnc-meet-ahead-of-midterms-sparks-massive-backlash-101789012172813.html

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“While defenders would argue this is a policy platform rather than a bribe, the explicit transaction creates real legal risk. Regardless of criminal law, the president lacks the constitutional authority to issue payments unilaterally. Under the Appropriations Clause and the Anti-Deficiency Act, spending over a trillion dollars requires explicit congressional funding and cannot occur by executive order. The Hatch Act largely exempts the president, though staff involvement would trigger criminal scrutiny. The statement conflicts with the spirit of federal vote-buying laws,” they added.

“辩护者或许会说这是政策主张而非贿赂，但这种明晃晃的交易确实构成真实的法律风险。抛开刑法不谈，总统也没有宪法授权单方面发放款项。根据拨款条款和《反赤字法》（Anti-Deficiency Act），超过一万亿美元的支出需要国会明确拨款，不能靠行政命令实现。《哈奇法》（Hatch Act）基本豁免总统本人，但一旦幕僚参与就会触发刑事审查。这一表态与联邦买票法律的精神相抵触。”该网友补充道。

What to know about Trump 'bribe'?

关于特朗普的“贿赂”，你需要知道什么？

Trump said the $5,000 payment would be called the ‘Trump dividend’. “Now all we have to do is win,” he added. As per Bloomberg, this would cost the US government well in excess of $1 trillion.

特朗普说这笔5000美元将被称为“特朗普分红”。他补充道：“现在我们要做的就是赢。”据彭博社（Bloomberg）估算，这将让美国政府付出远超1万亿美元的代价。

Trump however, did not describe how the payments would be issued, or funded. Any cash payments would have to be approved by Congress. The announcement comes at a time when the significant US deficit is already weighing on borrowing costs. The money, Trump said, would need to be spent in the US, though the president didn’t go into details about how that would be enforced.

不过特朗普并没有说明这笔钱怎么发、怎么筹。任何现金发放都需要国会批准。此番表态正值美国巨额赤字已经在推高借贷成本之际。特朗普说这笔钱必须在美国境内消费，但总统没有详细说明将如何执行这一要求。

Can it even be considered an attempted bribe when it's such an obvious lie that only people who are retarded enough to support him anyway would believe it?

如果它谎到只有本来就蠢到支持他的那批人才会信，那还能算贿选未遂吗？

>>1535219

trump's failed coup is still a coup even if it was done in the most retarded possible fashion.

特朗普那场失败的政变，哪怕搞砸到史上最蠢的程度，也仍然是政变。

He thinks so little of the MAGA base, it's incredible.

他把MAGA基本盘看得这么低，真是叹为观止。

I thought I had no respect for the intelligence of miggers. But Trump, man. He just insults them like this right to their faces.

我本来以为我对MAGA仔的智商已经不抱任何敬意了。但特朗普这老哥，他是当着他们的面这么羞辱他们的。

This is what President Trump meant when he said hes made billions in the stock market for America, not himself. His market success was never about him, it was always a way to help the American people

特朗普总统说过，他在股市赚的几十亿是为了美国而不是为了自己，这就是他的意思。他的市场成功从来不是为他自己，一直是帮助美国人民的手段

>>1535224

If it's from his own money sure, but it's not. He's absolutely going to stab everyone in the back like he always does.

如果是他自己掏腰包那还好，但并不是。他绝对会一如既往地背后捅所有人一刀。

>>1535216

>Only Dems can offer free shit to win

>只有民主党可以靠送免费福利赢选举

Interesting.

>>1535219

Yes. Yes, it can. An official openly offering money for votes has broken the law. You cannot assume that he was joking, since he was speaking in an official capacity.

是的。是的，能算。官员公然拿钱换选票就是违法。你不能假设他在开玩笑，因为他是在以官方身份讲话。

But Trump is different. He is immune, because the GOP has managed to stack the USSC far, far more effectively than the Democrats have since Reagan. Obama was the greatest failure among Democrats. Trump has been the greatest winner since Reagan.

但特朗普不一样。他豁免，因为自里根以来，共和党把美国最高法院（USSC）塞人的效率远远甩开民主党。奥巴马是民主党最大的失败，特朗普是里根以来最大的赢家。

>>1535226

>It's okay when Trump does it because the voices in my head I call "Dems" did it

>特朗普干就没问题，因为在我脑子里被叫做“民主党”的幻听声音也干过

Interesting

>>1535228

>Free bus rides

>免费公交

>Free everything!!!

>什么都要免费！！！

Arrest the entire DSA. There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US.

把整个民主社会党（DSA）都抓起来。美国法律里还留着取缔共产主义者的条文呢。

>>1535229

Dems never did it, ESL shill is just hallucinating as usual

民主党从来没干过，ESL狗托照例又在臆想

>>1535230

>There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US.

>美国法律里还留着取缔共产主义者的条文。

In fact, there are not.

实际上没有。

>>1535232

In fact there are. The Communist Control Act was never repealed.

实际上有。《共产党管制法》（Communist Control Act）从来没被废除过。

>>1535233

It also hasn't been enforced because it is presumptively unconstitutional and has been found as such repeatedly in court. There's a difference between something being on the books and being good law. Plenty of laws get killed by judges or prosecutorial policy while remaining "on the books".

它也从来没被执行过，因为它被推定违宪，法院已反复如此认定。“写在书上”和“是部好法”是两码事。很多法律虽然还“写在书上”，早就被法官或检察政策判了死刑。

>>1535234

replying to a shill/troll. The CCA has nothing to do with President Trump attempting to bribe voters.

这是在回复一个狗托/钓鱼的。《共产党管制法》跟特朗普总统试图贿买选民半毛钱关系都没有。

>>1535235

Democrats do it all the time though.

可民主党天天都在这么干啊。

Is he stealing your only platform?

他抢了你唯一的宣传平台？

>>1535234

Still wrong. Suck my ass, faggot.

还是错的。舔我屁股吧，基佬。

>>1535236

>>1535226

>Russia shill immediately goes to russian tactics

>俄罗斯狗托一开口就是俄罗斯话术

*Taps the post*

*戳一下帖子*

https://files.catbox.moe/1nmmn6.jpg

Given trump conspired with the Russians and is using their corrupt tactics to steal the election, it's not a shocker.

鉴于特朗普跟俄罗斯人串通、还在用他们的腐败手段偷选举，这不奇怪。

>>1535238

You do know that China, Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran are all allied with Russia, right?

你该知道中国、委内瑞拉、古巴和伊朗都跟俄罗斯结盟吧？

>>1535224

russian hands typed this post

俄罗斯水军用俄式手指打出的帖子

>>1535216

>President Donald Trump has been accused of bribery and vote buying online after he offered $5000 dividend checks to American adults if Republicans won the midterms.

>唐纳德·特朗普总统在网上被指控贿赂和买票，原因是他承诺，如果共和党在中期选举获胜，将向美国成年人发放5000美元的分红支票。

idgaf a fuck if its a bribe, Democrats need to offer more.

管他是不是贿赂，我不在乎，民主党就该拿出更多来。

Also both Biden & Trump owe from promises they never delivered last time. Lying politician cunts I want my fucking money.

另外拜登和特朗普都欠着上次开过的空头支票。撒谎的政客贱货，把我该死的钱还来。

>>1535239

Yet trump can't stop sucking putin's dick, fascinating!

可特朗普舔普京舔得停不下来，精彩！

>>1535240

>pee soaked crippled hands typed this

>被尿泡烂的残废手打出了这条帖子

Please remember: if you want to say this is policy and not bribery, then it is really really stupid policy.

请记住：如果你想说这是政策而不是贿赂，那这真是真真真蠢的政策。

>>1535243

But enough but trump's russian hookers

不过说够了特朗普的俄罗斯妓女，

What good is an extra five thousand dollars going to do for the people that are struggling right now if they have to burn through it in less than a year just to feed themselves and their families?

多这五千块钱对现在过日子艰难的人有什么用？撑不到一年就得全部烧光，只为了自己和家人有口饭吃。

>>1535247

A smart person will think of that, a conservative won't though.

聪明人想得到这一点，保守派不会。

Republicans control both houses of Congress right now. There's nothing stopping him from sending out checks today. Why the wait until after midterms?

现在国参众两院都在共和党手里。他今天就把支票发出去没有任何障碍。为什么要等到中期选举之后？

>>1535250

trump doesn't want to start having to deal with oversight that he'll ignore and have the republican supreme court run interference for him, further pressuring the center right corporate democrats into embracing judicial reform.

特朗普不想开始面对他反正也不会理会的监督，再让共和党最高法院替他打掩护，进一步把中右的企业民主党逼向司法改革。

>>1535250

Same thing that kept them from sending out checks the last couple times Trump promised free money.

上次、上上次特朗普承诺白送钱时，他们也是这样拖着不发支票的。

>>1535230

Public transport is public transport, it being free would actually be a boon. Why fuck around with traffic while coping with elevated fuel prices when you can just hop a train into town?

公共交通就是公共交通，免费乘坐其实是件大好事。既然能直接跳上火车进城，何必一边忍受高涨的油价一边跟堵车较劲？

>>1535226

>t. voted for a child fucker

>t. 投票给了一个搞小孩的货

Go cry some more maggot

再哭大声点，蛆

>There are still laws on the books outlawing communists in the US

>美国法律里还留着取缔共产主义者的条文

>a POTUS in the 1950s who was previously Supreme Commander of the Allies in WWII used his military genius to destroy an anti-Communist by ignoring McCarthy. The latter becoming a pariah in the Republican party, he could do less than nothing in terms of introducing legislation, thus in Soviet America outlawed is you

>一位1950年代曾任二战盟军最高统帅的总统，用自己的军事天赋“摧毁”了一个反共主义者——办法就是无视麦卡锡。后者因此在共和党内成了贱民，连一项立法都推不动，所以在苏维埃美国，“非法”的是你

>Dwight D. Eisenhower still the last decent Republican president

>德怀特·D·艾森豪威尔（Dwight D. Eisenhower）仍是最后一位正派的共和党总统

>Communist Party of USA not only exists to this day, but has tax exemption from the IRS as a nonprofit. PROTIP: 1st Amendment: George Washington & co. ensured communists' right to exist in USA, any & all of their rights protected by law under the document they created, the Founding Fathers were that forward thinking. Those who so much as think differently, you aren't Americans

>美国共产党不但存在至今，还作为非营利组织享受国税局（IRS）免税。小贴士（PROTIP）：第一修正案——华盛顿那帮人从一开始就保证了共产主义者在usa的生存权，他们的一切权利都受他们起草的这份文件保护，开国先贤就是这么有远见。谁要是有半点不同意见，你就不是美国人

https://www.cpusa.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

Reality proves your opinions wrong, 1535230. And you aren't American, 1535233 1535237.

现实证明你的观点是错的，1535230。而你也不是美国人，1535233、1535237。

>>1535230

>Free bus rides

>免费公交

Why the fuck would you not want that?

这种好事你不要，为什么？

>>1535216

Weren't we supposed to get this for him being elected in 2024?

他2024年当选的时候，不是说好要发这个的吗？

>>1535262

Oh yeah, tariff checks and DOGE checks. any day now!

哦对，关税支票和政府效率部（DOGE）支票。马上就发！马上！

People living in 10 million dollar houses will get 5k. People shooting up on the street sleeping on benches will get 5k!! It will totally happen!

住一千万美元豪宅的人会拿到5k。蹲在长椅上、当街扎针的人也会拿到5k！！肯定会发的！

when "It's too good to be true", it's too good to be true.

“好得不像真的”的时候，就不是真的。

>>1535216

5k to every voter: legal

给每个选民发5k：合法

giving a bottle of water to someone in line voting: illegal

给排队投票的人递一瓶水：违法

>accused

>not legally accused of a crime, just somebody typed something on the internet

>没有受到任何法律指控，只是有人在互联网上打了几个字

He's done for

他完了

>>1535263

Moreover, why does he think this is a good campaign promise when he's already reneged on it twice?

再说，他已经食言两次了，为什么还觉得这是条好竞选承诺？

Bro you keep saying this and then don't do it. Even leaving aside the economic feasibility of this, no one is going to believe you when you promise it a third time after you failed to do it the first two times. At least no one whose vote wasn't going towards you anyways.

老哥，你一直这么说然后一直不兑现。先不论经济上可不可行，前两次都没做到，第三次再承诺谁信你？反正本来就不会投你的人之外没人信。

>>1535267

Sadly it works. There are a lot of simple minded fucks out there who will believe it.

可惜这招管用。外面有的是脑子简单的蠢货会信。

>>1535265

this is true now. ICE and local and county law enforcement will be out in full effect in blue precincts in big cities. They will actively prevent registered voters from entering the polls. They will do this all over the country.

现在是真的了。ICE加上地方和县级执法部门会在大城市的蓝区倾巢出动。他们会主动阻止登记选民进投票站。他们会全美各地都这么干。

>>1535265

>giving a bottle of water to someone in line voting: illegal

>给排队投票的人递一瓶水：违法

Seething out of context.

破防于断章取义。

I think I finally figured out the liggeral subhuman.

我想我终于搞懂自由派（liggeral）这种次人类了。

They are entirely incapable of understanding higher order thought like ontext.

他们完全理解不了像“语境”（ontext）这类高阶思维。

I'll need to study more any liggerals want to volunteer?

我需要多研究几个，有自由派自愿报名吗？

1535288

>understanding higher order thought like ontext

>理解不了像“语境”（ontext）这类高阶思维

>ontext

>inb4 "grammar nazi", "context" etc

>先声明“语法警察”、“看语境”之类的

esl shill has no concept of "context", least of all how to read, speak and write English properly as an American can do very easily, because they have an education, thus are superior to subhumans such as the esl shill.

ESL狗托完全没有“语境”这个概念，更别提像美国人那样轻松地读、说、写英语了，因为人家受过教育，所以比ESL狗托这种次人类高等。

>inb4 'typo" or any other excuse

>先说好，“打错字”之类的借口就不许用了

There's no excuses allowed for being an esl shill 1535288, other than your constant need to humiliate yourself in /news/

当ESL狗托不许找任何借口，1535288，除了你在/news/版无休止地自取其辱这一条。

And >>1535265 is right, you know. If you have the higher order thinking to understand that superior humans never have wrong opinions such as yours, subhuman migger esl shill.

而>>1535265说得对。次人类MAGA仔ESL狗托，你要真有那高阶思维，就该明白高等人类从不会有你这种错误观点。

>>1535216

The first electoral crime ever committed…..

史上第一起选举犯罪……

>>1535288

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Integrity_Act_of_2021

>democrats are against UBI because Trump is doing it this time

>民主党反对全民基本收入（UBI）是因为这次轮到特朗普搞了

Phenomenal reasoning.

精彩绝伦的推理。

>>1535315

>I don't understand what UBI is

>我不懂什么是全民基本收入（UBI）

It's okay. Being born retarded isn't a moral failing.

没事。天生智障不是道德缺陷。

>>1535315

Hey do you know what the difference between income and a one time payment is anon?

老哥，你知道收入和一次性发放有什么区别吗？

>>1535226

source?

>>1535321

>gibs plz

>求施舍

>NO NOT LIKE THAT!

kek

Socialists should love President Trump now. More socialist than any of your so called Democratic Socialist leaders. Mamdani never handed out 5 grand checks.

社会主义者现在应该爱死特朗普总统了。比你们那些所谓的民主社会主义领袖更社会主义。马姆达尼可从没发过5千美元的支票。

>>1535355

Ok so you don't. Got it.

好，所以你不懂。明白了。

>trump offered to

>特朗普提议要

so, trump lied about something else

所以，特朗普又在别的事情上撒谎了

With the DOGE and tariff checks, average Joe Americans stand to make nearly 10000 dollars if President Trump wins. Fucking incredible. This is a real man of the people. What has Mamdani done for people?

加上DOGE支票和关税支票，如果特朗普总统赢了，普通美国老百姓能拿到将近一万美元。简直不可思议。这才是真正的人民之子。马姆达尼为人民做过什么？

Why don't Trump and the Republicans send out the checks now and guarantee a landslide in November? They have control of both houses, what's stopping them?

那特朗普和共和党为什么不现在就把支票发出去，直接锁定11月的大胜？两院都在他们手里，还有什么在拦着？

>>1535428

Not only that, in the past half year my car can hold 90 dollars of gas, before it could only hold 50 dollars of gas. So much winning.

何止如此，过去半年我的车加满要90美元，以前只要50美元。赢麻了。

>>1535441

Well you see, if they do it now you won't vote for them. But also if they win, then they don't have to do it because they already got what they wanted

是这样的：现在发，你就不会投他们了。而等他们赢了，又不用发了，因为想要的东西已经到手

>But won't Trump abide by his campaign promises

>但特朗普难道不会遵守竞选承诺吗

Where's the two $2000 checks he promised after he got elected?

他当选后承诺的那两张2000美元支票在哪呢？

>Trump promises to pay someone something

>特朗普承诺给某人钱

>Trump doesn't pay them and they have to sue

>特朗普不发钱，对方还得去起诉

>He's been doing this for over fifty years.

>这套把戏他玩了五十多年了。

MIGA: but it's real this time, promise!

MIGA：但这次是真的，我保证！

>>1535461

Look, not even Trump lying about giving out 5k could make me vote for Democrats.

听着，就算特朗普谎称要发5千，也照样不能让我投民主党。

Therefore, I don't care about money. I want to see Democrat carcasses burned as the demons they literally are.

所以，我不在乎钱。我要看的是民主党渣躯像他们本来的恶魔面目那样被烧成灰。

>>1535461

Trump's offering maybe 5 grand.

特朗普开价大概5千。

Democrats are offering total economic pain, and faggot/brown superiority. I think I'll vote Republican since I win either way, even if I don't get 5 grand.

民主党开价的是全面的经济痛苦，外加基佬/棕色佬至上。我投共和党，反正怎么选我都不亏，就算拿不到5千。

>>1535464

>>1535465

hi esl shill

你好，ESL狗托

>>1535465

>I think I'll vote Republican since I win either way, even if I don't get 5 grand.

>我投共和党，反正怎么选我都不亏，就算拿不到5千。

You mean you're gonna vote for Modi when your next election comes around in India.

你是说你下次要在印度投票给莫迪（Modi）吧。

>>1535468

Damn, the 'better people' on this board sure hate fags and browns.

啧，本版这些“更优秀的人”可真恨基佬和棕色佬啊。

When are we teaming up to kill all the jews?

我们什么时候组队把犹太佬全灭了？

We could do it this time.

这次说不定能成。

>>1535470

>Damn, the 'better people' on this board sure hate fags and browns.

>啧，本版这些“更优秀的人”可真恨基佬和棕色佬啊。

>When are we teaming up to kill all the jews?

>我们什么时候组队把犹太佬全灭了？

>We could do it this time.

>这次说不定能成。

"Mom, look! I'm an edgelord on 4chan!"

“妈快看！我在4chan上当键盘黑！"

>>1535216

Reminder that, assuming this goes to every adult in the country, this is literally adding about 1.35 trillion to the national debt in one big bang.

提醒一下：假如这笔钱真发给全国每个成年人，那就是一次性给国债凭空加约1.35万亿美元。

It's not gonna happen and if it did it would be fucking disastrous.

这不可能发生，真发生了那也是灾难级的。

>>1535474

No it wouldn't

才不会

>>1535474

WHOA! BIG WOW!

>ACA funnels 2 trillion into the medical industry for billionires to buy yachts with; I sleep

>《平价医疗法案》（ACA）往医疗行业灌2万亿美元给亿万富翁买游艇；我睡着

>dRumpf wants to give out 5k to normal people; I'm woke.

>Drumpf想给普通人发5k；我惊醒。

Why should anyone think liggerals would even actually care?

凭什么指望自由派真在乎？

>>1535477

Just nationalize the medical industry and cut out all those parasitic middle men.

干脆把医疗行业收归国有，把那些寄生虫中间商全砍掉。

Oh wait, communism bad and you really didn't want to save that money.

哦等等，共产主义不好，而且你其实根本不是想省那笔钱。

>>1535477

Where are the DOGE checks he promised last year?

他去年承诺的DOGE支票在哪？

Where are the tariff dividend checks he promised last year?

他去年承诺的关税分红支票在哪？

Why does he need to wait until after midterms to send out the 5000 dollar checks? What's stopping him from doing it today?

他为什么要等到中期选举之后才发那5000美元的支票？今天发有什么障碍？

>>1535479

Using the government to provide services has historically ended up in decay.

用政府来提供服务，历史上结局都是腐朽。

Why would anyone suggest making the #3 leading cause if death in the US even worse?

为什么会有人提议把美国第三大死因搞得更加严重？

>>1535486

>Using the government to provide services has historically ended up in decay.

>用政府来提供服务，历史上结局都是腐朽。

Yeaaaaaaaah except in all the countries it works perfectly fine.

是——是——吗？在那些运转得非常好的国家里可不这样。

>>1535216

>>1535219

>>1535228

it's not bribery because he's offering it to everybody. It would only be bribery if he said he would only give the $5,000 to people who voted for Republicans. Democrats offer free shit every election.

这不叫贿赂，因为他是发给所有人的。只有他说只给投共和党的人发5000，才叫贿赂。民主党每届选举都在送免费福利。

>>1535231

>>1535229

>Dems never campaigned on giving people gibs

>民主党从来没靠给人发福利拉过票

LMAO

>>1535295

and there it is! There's the concession!

看，来了！这就是认输！

WE DID IT AGAIN! Woke leftoids BTFO so badly they conceded yet again!

我们又赢了！觉醒左棍被完爆（BTFO）到又一次当场认输！

Thread is over everybody, no need to reply anymore after they already conceded and admitted defeat like this.

本楼结束了各位，人家都这么认怂了，不用再回了。

>>1535259

>Free $5,000

>免费5000美元

Why the fuck would you not want that?

这种好事你不要，为什么？

>>1535493

it's not over until you die esl shill, we will always laugh at your paltry existence

不笑到你死不算完，ESL狗托，我们会一直嘲笑你那可怜的余生

>>1535495

You already admitted you were wrong and we were right so it obviously is over. Better luck next thread though.

你已经承认自己错了、我们对了，所以显然是结束了。下个楼再接再厉吧。

>>1535498

i don't argue with you, but it's nice to hear you're suffering paranoid delusions from all the ridicule

我懒得跟你吵，不过听说你被嘲笑得害上了被害妄想，真是可喜可贺

>>1535494

Because five thousand isn't actually that much in the long run. Imagine how much the average city worker spends on public transport every year. Shit adds up fast.

因为五千块长远来看真不多。想想普通上班族一年在公交上花多少钱。积少成多，涨得飞快。

>>1535494

Because it’s fucking illegal, fucking nothing compared to the economic damage the bastard’s caused, and not going to fucking happen anyway.

因为这就是他妈的违法，跟这混蛋造成的经济损失比起来微不足道，而且反正也他妈不可能发生。

>>1535494

there's a difference between raw money and resources. Free bus travel can be fairly easily achieved through proper managing and budgeting of existing taxes. "Free" 5k for everyone has to come from somewhere. There's no trick you can do; you just add over a trillion dollars in debt overnight.

真金白银和资源是两码事。免费公交靠合理管理和规划现有税收就能比较容易实现。而人人“免费”5k必须有个来处。没有任何财技可耍，你就是一夜之间多出一万多亿美元债务。

>>1535506

>fucking nothing compared to the economic damage the bastard’s caused,

>跟这混蛋造成的经济损失比起来微不足道，

GDP growth at 4% btw.

顺便说一句，GDP增速4%。

Trade deficit down $10B btw.

顺便说一句，贸易逆差降了100亿美元。

Wage growth of 3.5% btw.

顺便说一句，工资增长3.5%。

Housing down 1.5%, and trending down, btw.

顺便说一句，房价跌了1.5%，还在继续跌。

>>1535518

this is why nobody takes you seriously

所以没人把你当回事

>>1535518

They don't know. Liggerals live in an alternate reality. Even when shown they have no idea what they're talking about they'll ignore it.

他们不懂。自由派活在平行宇宙里。就算把证据怼到脸上、证明他们根本不知道自己在说什么，他们照样无视。

You'll hear more about this supposed economic damage, but instead of just saying it outright, it'll be disguised something like "The price of Avacado toast is up $.47 'cause bLumpf!!!" because despite knowing it's wrong you're speaking with a cultist who believes it even if it's untrue.

以后你还会听到更多这种所谓的“经济损失”，但他们不会直说，而是包装成“牛油果吐司涨价0.47美元，都怪川普（bLumpf）！！！”——因为他们明知不对，却在对着一群邪教信徒说话，信徒哪怕听到假话也照信不误。

>>1535518

National debt status?

国债战况如何？

>>1535518

>Trade deficit down $10B btw.

>顺便说一句，贸易逆差降了100亿美元。

This isn't a good thing lmao.

这可不是什么好事，笑死。

>>1535486

Just ban conservatives from serving in the government along with giving the death penalty for corruption and forced organ harvesting of those killed in capital punishment, who also cannot use religion as a waiver.

干脆禁止保守派在政府任职，同时对贪腐判死刑，对被判处死刑者强制器官摘取，还不许拿宗教当免死牌。

Suddenly that decay stops.

腐朽立马就停了。

>>1535537

No one cares.

没人关心。

>>1535540

Won't work.

行不通。

1. Conservatives are the only people you can really trust as a group.

1. 保守派是唯一真正值得作为一个群体信任的人。

2. The death penalty doesn't deter Liggerals from stealing which is why they really want to nationalize everything.

2. 死刑吓不住自由派偷窃，所以他们才那么想把一切都国有化。

>>1535543

>won't work

>行不通

your mother and i are both acutely aware of that

你妈和我对此都深有体会

>>1535537

Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.

跟拜登政府交班时一样烂。

>>1535538

>less capital leaving your economy is bad actually

>流出的资本变少了，所以其实是坏事

>>1535524

>this is why nobody takes you seriously

>所以没人把你当回事

Because I posted straight facts?

因为我贴的全是干巴巴的事实？

>>1535545

>>less capital leaving your economy is bad actually

>>流出的资本变少了，所以其实是坏事

>I don't understand what trade deficit is and I'm too afraid to ask

>我搞不懂什么是贸易逆差，又不敢问

Allow me to point out your logic would only work if home manufacturing went up. Which it pointedly didn't.

提醒你一下，你这个逻辑要成立，前提是国内制造业得跟着涨。而它显然没涨。

>>1535546

You havent made an argument. You've just gone "na uh".

你根本没在论证。你只是在说“才不是呢”。

And manufacturing is up.

而且制造业在涨。

>>1535548

manufactured lies don't count towards gdp

编出来的谎言不计入GDP

>>1535550

https://nam.org/ism-manufacturing-pmi-eases-to-54-6-in-eighth-straight-month-of-expansion/

>>1535551

Wow. It's like the adults are in charge and the little Chinese homos are fed lies by their tardwranglers

哇哦。就像大人们在当家做主，而小中国基佬们被他们的智障看管员喂谎言

>>1535518

Yeah, man, going great. Everything costs more and everyone’s getting fired and we’re 40 fucking trillion in debt, but, like, the dow and shit like whoa.

是啊兄弟，形势一片大好。样样都在涨价、人人都在被裁、我们背着40万亿美元的债，但是嘛，道琼斯指数牛得很，哇哦。

>>1535545

>Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.

>跟拜登政府交班时一样烂。

Nope.

>>1535548

Not enough to make up for price increases and only in a few select spaces overall. Most of the increase were just companies buying resources up before they'd be tariffed, meaning it doesn't actually do much long term. Meanwhile, actual construction of new manufacturing facilities has only gone down since Trump took office. We're not building the manufacturing industry back, it's just reacting to Trump's tariff shenanigans.

涨幅不足以抵消物价上涨，而且只集中在少数几个领域。大部分增长不过是公司赶在被加征关税前囤积资源，长期来看没什么用。与此同时，自特朗普上任以来，新制造工厂的实际建设反而在减少。我们不是在重建制造业，只是在应激反应特朗普的关税骚操作。

Also, in case you need a basic layout to tell you why decreasing your trade deficit is bad: if your trade deficit is decreasing, that means you're purchasing less from other countries. Trade is mutually beneficial; if you stop doing it, both parties suffer. And as I just told you, it's not even like we're now manufacturing things we used to buy; now we're just not buying them or buying less of them. Meaning the things we import and the things we make with those imports are getting more fucking expensive.

另外，万一你需要一份基础讲义来理解为什么贸易逆差缩小是坏事：逆差缩小意味着你从别国买的东西变少了。贸易是互利的；你不做了，双方都受损。而就像我刚告诉你的，我们并没有开始自己制造以前买的东西；只是不买了或买少了。这意味着我们的进口商品以及用这些进口品做出来的东西都在变得更他妈贵。

>>1535216

>The primary legal threat is 18 U.S.C. § 600, which criminalizes promising government benefits made possible by Congress as a reward for supporting a political party. Tying the money to GOP control fits § 600 far more closely than a standard tax-cut pledge. Vote-buying statutes like 18 U.S.C. § 597 and 52 U.S.C. § 10307(c) also apply."

>最主要的法律威胁是《美国法典》第18编第600条，该条将“承诺给予国会才能提供的政府福利以换取对政党的支持”定为刑事犯罪。把这笔钱与共和党执政捆绑，比一般的减税承诺更贴合第600条。《美国法典》第18编第597条和《美国法典》第52编第10307条(c)款等买票法规同样适用。”

So how are Democrats free from prosecution? Mamdani should be jailed,DSAs entire platform can't be spoken of.

那民主党凭什么免于起诉？马姆达尼该坐牢，DSA那套纲领根本就见不得光。

Once again Dems avoid persecution.

民主党又一次躲过了起诉。

>>1535559

>So how are Democrats free from prosecution? Mamdani should be jailed,DSAs entire platform can't be spoken of.

>那民主党凭什么免于起诉？马姆达尼该坐牢，DSA那套纲领根本就见不得光。

Ok but by this logic literally any platform would qualify.

行，但按这个逻辑，随便什么政纲都够得上这条罪名了。

The issue is specifically with promising people direct payments for voting.

问题恰恰出在承诺给人直接发钱换取投票上。

>>1535557

>Everything costs more

>样样都在涨价

Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.

对，因为拜登政府时期那波通胀。

>and we’re 40 fucking trillion in debt

>我们背着40万亿美元的债

I'm totally in favor of cutting the no 1 driver of public debt.

砍掉公共债务的第一大推手，我举双手赞成。

I dont understand this thing where all the data shows a broad economic recovery and you dudes just want to fucking DOOM

我搞不懂，所有数据都显示经济在全面复苏，你们这帮哥们非要死命唱衰

>Just as bad as when the Biden admin handed things over.

>跟拜登政府交班时一样烂。

>Nope.

When you factor in economic growth debt under Trump 2.0 its a flat line.

把经济增长算进去的话，特朗普2.0时期的债务是一条平线。

>>1535562

>Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.

>对，因为拜登政府时期那波通胀。

No, because Trump put tariffs on everything that directly made a ton of products more expensive, then started a war with Iran that has led to massive gas prices (which affects everything else by proxy due to transportation costs) such as the literal highest diesel has cost ever.

不是，是因为特朗普对什么都加关税，直接把一大堆商品搞贵了，然后又跟伊朗开战，把油价推上天（运输成本连带推高一切），柴油价格直接创了历史最高纪录。

>>1535562

>Yeah, because of the inflation we saw under the Biden admin.

>对，因为拜登政府时期那波通胀。

No, it’s because of the tariff, trade wars, and actual wars.

不是，是因为关税、贸易战，还有真实的战争。

>I dont understand this thing where all the data shows a broad economic recovery and you dudes just want to fucking DOOM

>我搞不懂，所有数据都显示经济在全面复苏，你们这帮哥们非要死命唱衰

Because it doesn’t.

因为数据没有。

>When you factor in economic growth debt under Trump 2.0 its a flat line.

>把经济增长算进去的话，特朗普2.0时期的债务是一条平线。

Nope.

>>1535558

>Meanwhile, actual construction of new manufacturing facilities has only gone down since Trump took office. We're not building the manufacturing industry back, it's just reacting to Trump's tariff shenanigans.

>与此同时，自特朗普上任以来，新制造工厂的实际建设反而在减少。我们不是在重建制造业，只是在应激反应特朗普的关税骚操作。

This is simply untrue.

这根本不是事实。

First, you said manufacturing wasn't growing. I've presented data that shows the complete opposite.

首先，你之前说制造业没有增长。我拿出了一整套数据，显示的恰恰相反。

Then, you pivot to "we're not building". Which is also untrue, over $11 trillion in investments have been announced since Trump took office. Currently, $168B has already been spent. Biden was able to get $1 trillion (which is impressive).

然后，你改口说“我们没有在建设”。这也不属实：特朗普上任以来已宣布超过11万亿美元的投资，目前已花掉1680亿美元。拜登任内搞到了1万亿（已经算很强了）。

Finally, none of this has anything to do with your (idiotic) assertion that "actually a higher trade deficit is better than a lower one".

最后，这一切都跟你那句（蠢到家了的）“其实贸易逆差越大越好”的论断没有任何关系。

>>1535562

>all the data shows a broad economic recovery

>所有数据都显示经济在全面复苏

funny because it literally shows that economic recovery started under Biden and then has begun to stall under Trump.

好笑，因为数据明明显示经济复苏是从拜登任内开始的，然后在特朗普任内开始失速。

>>1535566

>Which is also untrue, over $11 trillion in investments have been announced since Trump took office. Currently, $168B has already been spent.

>这也不属实：特朗普上任以来已宣布超过11万亿美元的投资，目前已花掉1680亿美元。

Announcements don't mean shit. Objectively, construction in manufacturing has only gone down since 2024.

宣布投资狗屁都不算。客观地说，自2024年以来制造业建设一直在下滑。

>>1535564

>>1535565

>No, it’s because of the tariff,

>不是，是因为关税，

>No, because Trump put tariffs

>不是，是因为特朗普加征关税

Incorrect and its not a fact that's up for debate. The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden, and consumer prices increased by 21% under his admin. Wages did not climb to match either increase.

错，而且这不是可以争论的事实。拜登任内美元贬值约17%，他治下消费者物价上涨21%。工资涨幅两样都没跟上。

"Things are more expensive" is the natural consequence of inflation and CPI increases. This is Eco 101, come on now.

“东西变贵了”本来就是通胀和CPI上涨的自然结果。这是经济学101，拜托。

>>1535566

>Finally, none of this has anything to do with your (idiotic) assertion that "actually a higher trade deficit is better than a lower one".

>最后，这一切都跟你那句（蠢到家了的）“其实贸易逆差越大越好”的论断没有任何关系。

Ok smart guy, please explain how its somehow better that we're not importing things at the same time we're not building those things here either?

行啊聪明人，那你解释解释：我们既不进口这些东西，又不在本国造这些东西，怎么会反而更好？

The US is one of the biggest economies on the planet. It SHOULD have a pretty big trade deficit with most of the world because there is no way most of the world can compete. By lowering it, all you do is effectively lower how much the US is exporting and importing, which is a bad thing.

美国是全球最大的经济体之一。它理应跟世界上大多数国家都有相当大的贸易逆差，因为世界上大多数国家根本没法竞争。把逆差压下去，实际效果只是同时压低美国的出口和进口，这是坏事。

>>1535567

>funny because it literally shows that economic recovery started under Biden

>好笑，因为数据明明显示经济复苏是从拜登任内开始的

You're doing the thing where you count us re-opening the economy under COVID as "growth"?

你是不是又在把疫情后重启经济算作“增长”？

>>1535568

>Announcements don't mean shit.

>宣布投资狗屁都不算。

Yes, if I was intellectually dishonest I would also say that counterfactuals to my argument don't count.

行，如果我毫无学术诚信，我也会说对我的论证构成反例的东西都不算数。

>Objectively, construction in manufacturing has only gone down since 2024.

>客观地说，自2024年以来制造业建设一直在下滑。

First, Trump took office in 2025. Second, "its in decline" is system lag. From investment announcement to groundbreaking takes years.

第一，特朗普2025年才上任。第二，“在下滑”是数据滞后。从宣布投资到破土动工需要好几年。

>>1535567

all the more reason for mr shill to spend the night lying

所以狗托先生更有理由通宵撒谎了

>>1535570

>please explain how its somehow better that we're not importing things

>那你解释解释：我们既不进口这些东西

Capital remains in your economy to be re-invested in your economy instead of being extracted and invested in someone else's economy.

资本留在本国经济里，可以再投资到本国经济中，而不是被抽走投到别人的经济里。

>at the same time we're not building those things here either?

>又不在本国造这些东西

Already dealt with, manufacturing is trending up see >>1535551

已经回应过了，制造业在走高，见>>1535551

>>1535569

> The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden

>拜登任内美元贬值约17%

And its devalued by about 10% under Trump.

而特朗普任内贬了约10%。

>and consumer prices increased by 21% under his admin

>他治下消费者物价上涨21%

And they've increased another 4% under Trump. And that's WITHOUT COVID fucking up the entire world economy to justify the shift.

而特朗普任内又涨了4%。而且这还是没有新冠把全世界经济搅个底朝天来当借口的情况下。

>This is Eco 101, come on now.

>这是经济学101，拜托。

Eco 101 should've taught you that when you put tariffs on every product (and also thus receive them in turn) it makes every product more expensive you brainlet.

经济学101本该教会你：对所有商品加征关税（同时对方也对你加征），所有商品都会变贵，脑残。

>>1535573

it's cute how you pretend you're not shilling for evil kleptomaniacs

你假装自己不是在给一帮邪恶的盗窃狂当狗托，还挺可爱

>>1535571

>You're doing the thing where you count us re-opening the economy under COVID as "growth"?

>你是不是又在把疫情后重启经济算作“增长”？

Oh so now you can acknowledge the role covid played in the economy, but not when you're blaming Biden for the low numbers caused by it. Got it.

哦，所以现在你承认新冠对经济有影响了，但轮到归咎拜登治下那些由疫情造成的低数字时就不认了。懂了。

>>1535574

COVID DID THAT?

No Biden did that by fucking up the response to COVID.

不，是拜登把新冠应对搞砸了。

quit trying to hide behind COVID, dickweed.

别躲在新冠背后了，草包。

That was REAL Democrat policy.

那才是真正民主党式的政策。

>>1535574

>And its devalued by about 10% under Trump.

>而特朗普任内贬了约10%。

Its 4.2% under Trump and inflation is trending down.

特朗普任内是4.2%，而且通胀在下行。

>And they've increased another 4% under Trump

>而特朗普任内又涨了4%

Which is significantly smaller than 21% and is, again, trending down.

这比21%小得多，而且我再强调一遍，正在下行。

>And that's WITHOUT COVID fucking up the entire world economy to justify the shift.

>而且这还是没有新冠把全世界经济搅个底朝天来当借口的情况下。

COVID was neither the cause of inflation or CPI growth. Both were largely caused by the Biden admin dumping $3 trillion into the economy (American Rescue Plan, Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act, CHIPS Act (actually good), Inflation Reduction Act (lol))

通胀既不是新冠引起的，CPI上涨也不是。两者主要是拜登政府往经济里狂砸3万亿美元造成的（《美国救援计划》《基础设施投资与就业法案》《芯片法案》（这个倒是真不错）、《通胀削减法案》（呵呵））

>>1535543

>People trust

>民众信任

Because of the conservative biased media, dismantle that too to stop their brainwashing

因为媒体都偏保守，把这个也拆了才能断了他们的洗脑

>>1535571

>From investment announcement to groundbreaking takes years.

>从宣布投资到破土动工需要好几年。

And the problem is the tariffs that would need those new factories to work are being thrown out now. Hence why the economy is in the shitter and everything is more expensive.

问题在于，那些新工厂赖以运转的关税现在正在被扔掉。所以经济才烂成一锅粥，物价才全都更贵。

>>1535576

>Oh so now you can acknowledge the role covid played in the economy

>哦，所以现在你承认新冠对经济有影响了

????

>but not when you're blaming Biden for the low numbers caused by it.

>但轮到归咎拜登治下那些由疫情造成的低数字时就不认了。

Im blaming Biden for the HIGH inflation numbers and HIGH CPI growth.

我归咎拜登的是高通胀数字和高CPI涨幅。

>>1535577

>>1535578

>guys no COVID didn't do anything to the economy at all

>兄弟们新冠对经济完全没影响

you're literally 12.

你今年最多12岁。

>>1535578

shill anon, trump literally dismantled the petrodollar

狗托老哥，特朗普可是亲手拆了石油美元体系

>>1535580

>And the problem is the tariffs that would need those new factories to work are being thrown out now

>问题在于，那些新工厂赖以运转的关税现在正在被扔掉

I dont even understand what you're trying to say.

我完全看不懂你想说什么。

>everything is more expensive.

>物价才全都更贵。

Inflation. CPI. Biden. We have been over this.

通胀。CPI。拜登。都说过了。

>>1535585

>I dont even understand what you're trying to say.

>我完全看不懂你想说什么。

If you're going to put tariffs on everything, you should have the fucking manufacturing boom first instead of trying to force it to happen through tariffs.

你要是对所有东西加关税，就该先他妈把制造业繁荣搞出来，而不是反过来靠关税硬逼它发生。

>Inflation. CPI. Biden. We have been over this.

>通胀。CPI。拜登。都说过了。

Trump directly inflated the cost of goods through tariffs and Iran. We've been over this. You're trying to argue the guy making it more expensive for things to be made and shipped is actually making them cheaper.

特朗普用关税和伊朗战争直接抬高了商品成本。都说过了。你是在试图论证：那个把制造和运输成本抬高的人，其实是在把东西变便宜。

>>1535583

I'm pointing out that you're attempting to blame COVID when it was bidens response to COVID that caused the issues.

我是在指出你想把锅甩给新冠，而实际上造成问题的是拜登对新冠的应对。

>>1535583

>>guys no COVID didn't do anything to the economy at all

>>兄弟们新冠对经济完全没影响

who are you quoting?

你引用谁的话？

>>1535587

>you should have the fucking manufacturing boom

>就该先他妈把制造业繁荣搞出来

$11 trillion dollars is quite the fucking boom.

11万亿美元可是相当他妈繁荣了。

>Trump directly inflated the cost of goods through tariffs and Iran

>特朗普用关税和伊朗战争直接抬高了商品成本

4.2% and declining v 17% under Biden.

4.2%且在下行，对比拜登任内的17%。

>You're trying to argue the guy making it more expensive for things to be made and shipped is actually making them cheaper.

>你是在试图论证：那个把制造和运输成本抬高的人，其实是在把东西变便宜。

Yes. CPI is trending down.

对。CPI在下行。

>>1535587

Where is this inflation, bitch breath?

这通胀在哪呢，贱嘴货？

It sounds like you've watched in to a scam and can't get over the fact you fell for it again.

听起来你像是又看进了一场骗局，而且接受不了自己再次上当这个事实。

>>1535589

Yeah meanwhile I go to the gas station and diesel is quite literally the most expensive it has ever been in the history of the country. Trump fucked up and he doesn't even have a global shutdown to take the blame for it. Stop sucking his dick and face facts that his economic policy has been an objective failure.

是啊，与此同时我去加油站，柴油贵到了这个国家有史以来最贵的水平。特朗普搞砸了，而且这回连全球停摆都不用他背锅。别舔他了，认清现实吧：他的经济政策就是客观上的失败。

>>1535596

it's his job to suck maga dick though

可舔MAGA本来就是他的本职工作啊

>>1535596

>I go to the gas station and diesel is quite literally the most expensive it has ever been in the history of the country.

>我去加油站，柴油贵到了这个国家有史以来最贵的水平。

>Trump fucked up and he doesn't even have a global shutdown to take the blame for it.

>特朗普搞砸了，而且这回连全球停摆都不用他背锅。

And yet inflation and CPI and trending down.

然而通胀和CPI都在下行。

>face facts

>认清现实吧

I've presented nothing but facts, you're the one refusing to acknowledge them.

我摆出来的全是事实，不肯承认事实的是你。

>>1535595

>Where is this inflation, bitch breath?

>这通胀在哪呢，贱嘴货？

Go to a gas station or supermarket lately?

最近去过加油站或超市吗？

>>1535600

>Go to a gas station or supermarket lately?

>最近去过加油站或超市吗？

If only there was some sort of objective measure of inflation. Like, something that gave us data over vibes.

要是世上存在某种客观的通胀衡量指标就好了。比如，能用数据代替感觉的那种。

Stop doom spiraling.

别再唱衰自我循环了。

>>1535596

I didn't recall you complaining when gas was expensive as fuck not even 3 years ago.

不到3年前油价贵上天的时候，我可没听你抱怨过。

I do recall you trying to dodge blame for INSANE inflation though.

倒是你当时拼命为那轮疯批通胀推卸责任，这我记得很清楚。

It's as if your fucked opinion changes with the wind and you're able to make arguments you don't even care about.

你的破观点就像随风倒的墙头草，你自己都不在乎的论点也能随口说出口。

>>1535599

>And yet inflation and CPI and trending down.

>然而通胀和CPI都在下行。

Wow cool. And yet mortgages are up, food is more expensive, and gas is spiked to shit. Curious how we're apparently doing so well yet literally everything costs more than it did outside of COVID.

哇真棒。然而房贷涨了，食品更贵了，油价的涨幅一塌糊涂。奇怪，我们明明“一片大好”，可几乎样样东西都比疫情之外的时候贵，真是神奇。

>I've presented nothing but facts, you're the one refusing to acknowledge them.

>我摆出来的全是事实，不肯承认事实的是你。

What you say doesn't reflect reality and you refuse to acknowledge that Trump's economic policy is complete nonsense. The man threatened to ban all trade with countries we have a trade deficit with last week. His illegal tariffs directly resulted in millions of dollars being stolen from American consumers when only corporations were refunded on them. And his tariff strategy still has completely failed in its intended goals.

你说的跟现实对不上，而你又不肯承认特朗普的经济政策就是彻头彻尾的胡扯。这人上周还威胁要跟所有对美贸易顺差国断绝一切贸易。他的非法关税直接从美国消费者身上抢走了数百万美元，结果只有企业拿到了退款。而且他的关税战略在其既定目标上彻底失败了。

>>1535603

>>1535606

>Guys no everything is fine

>兄弟们一切都好，没事的

We're not in a global pandemic and yet our current prices and economy feels like it still is. That's a failure by all metrics.

我们现在又不在全球大流行里，可现在的物价和经济体感就跟还在大流行一样。按任何标准衡量这都是失败。

>>1535603

$2 gas status?

2美元一加仑的油呢？

>>1535600

The vast majority of food in the US is grown in the US or not subject to tariffs.

美国绝大多数食品都是在美国本土种的，不在关税范围之内。

The same is true of US gasoline.

美国的汽油同理。

So you fell for it again.

所以你又上当了。

And the inflation you're seeing is from Bidens 20% inflation which apparently you didn't even notice until it became politically convenient to push such a scam

你看到的通胀来自拜登那20%的通胀，而你在政治上还没好意思拿这个当幌子之前，居然一直没察觉

>>1535611

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

>>1535609

Ok here it is again. Biden FUCKED UP. COVID didn't do it, Biden did tangibly and with data.

好，又说一遍。拜登搞砸了。不是新冠干的，是拜登干的，有实打实的数据。

>>1535607

>And yet mortgages are up

>然而房贷涨了

Down from the Biden era. 7.04% down to 6.76%.

比拜登时期降了。从7.04%降到6.76%。

> food is more expensive

>食品更贵了

Yes. That's how inflation works.

对。通胀就是这么运作的。

>and gas is spiked to shit

>油价的涨幅一塌糊涂

Still cheaper than the Biden high. $5/gal v $4.20/gal today.

还是比拜登时期的高点便宜。当年5美元/加仑，现在4.20美元/加仑。

>Curious how we're apparently doing so well

>奇怪，我们明明“一片大好”

We're recovering and all the data supports it.

我们在复苏，所有数据都支持这一点。

>yet literally everything costs more than it did outside of COVID.

>可几乎样样东西都比疫情之外的时候贵。

Biden devaluing the dollar by about 25% will do that.

拜登把美元贬值了约25%，就会有这个效果。

>What you say doesn't reflect reality

>你说的跟现实对不上

Im quoting raw data. Its pure reality.

我引用的是原始数据。这就是纯粹的现实。

>And his tariff strategy still has completely failed in its intended goals.

>而且他的关税战略在其既定目标上彻底失败了。

ELEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS thats an investment thats 1/3rd the size of our entire economy.

十一万亿美元啊，那可是相当于我们整个经济体量三分之一的投资。

>>1535614

>>1535615

posting multiple times doesn't add to your credibility

连发好几条也不会给你增加一点可信度

>>1535611

>The vast majority of food in the US is grown in the US or not subject to tariffs.

>美国绝大多数食品都是在美国本土种的，不在关税范围之内。

Actually, they are indirectly, proving that much like Trump you have no fucking clue how tariffs work. Food grown in the US isn't tariffed; you know what is? The parts for the machines they need to harvest and process them. And also the fertilizer they need to grow them. And then you know what happens when the retaliatory tariffs mean farmers and producers make less money on their exports? They have to increase the price at home to make up for that lost revenue too.

实际上，它们是间接被关税影响的，这恰好证明你跟特朗普一样，根本他妈不懂关税怎么运作。美国本土种的粮食本身不收关税；你知道什么收吗？收割和加工粮食所需的机器零件。还有种地要用的化肥。然后你想想，当报复性关税让农民和生产商的出口收入变少时会发生什么？他们只能在国内涨价，把损失的营收补回来。

You know what else affects food? Not properly inspecting it. Something Trump also caused when he let DOGE and RFK tear apart regulatory and inspector bodies. Hence why we're currently in an all time high of recalls.

你知道还有什么影响食品吗？不好好做检验。这也是特朗普搞的，他放任DOGE和小罗伯特·肯尼迪（RFK）把监管和检查机构拆得稀烂。所以我们现在的食品召回量创了历史新高。

Oh, and in the case of crops, you know what you need for those? Workers. The workers Trump caused a shortage of with his ICE shenanigans. The supposed replacement by native workers didn't happen, hence why we have over 2 million unfilled agricultural jobs.

哦，还有农作物，你知道种地需要什么吗？工人。特朗普用他的ICE骚操作造成了工人短缺。说好的本土工人替代根本没发生，所以我们现在有200多万个农业岗位没人填。

Gas meanwhile... well, let me put this plainly; 20% of the world's oil supply is currently tied up because of a war Trump started. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on how that might, MIGHT, affect gas prices. Or you can just compare gas prices from last year to this year and figure it out yourself.

至于油价……好吧，直说了：目前全球20%的石油供应，因为特朗普挑起的战争而受困。怎么可能、会不会影响油价，你自己品。或者干脆把去年和今年的油价对比一下，自己算。

>>1535617

>Two posts under the cool down limit.

>两条帖子，在冷却限制之内。

Uh, faganon...

呃，狗托老哥……

>>1535624

anon, you're a shill. literally everyone knows

老哥，你就是个狗托。人人都知道

>>1535614

>COVID did nothing it was totally all Biden

>新冠什么都不是，全怪拜登

>Ignore the global economy effects it had to be Biden

>无视它对全球经济的影响，反正都得是拜登

>>1535623

Anon, I already know the answer but did you fact check your assumption that fertilizer and parts are tariffed?

老哥，我其实已经知道答案了，但你有没有核实过“化肥和零件被加了关税”这个假设？

Maybe you should. I'll accept your apology for being a fuckwit once you post it. Tia.

也许你该去查查。查完贴出来，我就接受你这个蠢货的道歉。先谢了。

>>1535615

Again, keep blatantly ignoring COVID and the effects it had on the global economy so you can keep screeching "Biden bad" as Trump drives us off a cliff.

又来了，继续对新冠及其对全球经济的影响装瞎，好让你在特朗普把大家往悬崖上开的时候继续尖叫“拜登坏”。

>>1535504

>$0 is more than $5,000

>0美元比5000美元多

leftist math

左派数学

>>1535506

how is this illegal but free buses isn't?

这怎么就违法了，免费公交怎么就不违法？

>economic damage

>经济损失

name anything he's done that damaged the economy more than mass immigration

随便举一件他对经济造成的破坏超过大规模移民的事来听听

>>1535507

>there's a difference between increasing taxes so people can spend it how they want, and increasing taxes so people are forced to spend it a certain way

>加税让人们想怎么花就怎么花，和加税逼人们只能按规定方式花，是两码事

>>1535629

>I already know the answer but did you fact check your assumption that fertilizer and parts are tariffed?

>我其实已经知道答案了，但你有没有核实过“化肥和零件被加了关税”这个假设？

Hey retard. Did the US put tariffs on raw materials like steel and aluminum?

喂智障。美国有没有对钢铁、铝这类原材料加征关税？

And hey, I'll admit we don't have tariffs on fertilizer... anymore. Because we had to drop them two months back because combined with the war it was about to cause a crisis.

还有，我承认我们对化肥没有关税……现在是没有了。因为两个月前被迫取消，再不取消，叠加战争就快酿成危机了。

>https://reason.com/2026/06/30/trumps-fertilizer-tariff-retreat-is-another-admission-that-tariffs-raise-prices/

>>1535632

>how is this illegal but free buses isn't?

>这怎么就违法了，免费公交怎么就不违法？

There's a difference between a government providing a service and just paying every individual 5k flat out.

政府提供服务，和直接给每个人发5千现金，是两码事。

>>1535630

Biden fucking up the response to COVID was tangible. Which doesn't exempt him from blame like you are trying to argue.

拜登把新冠应对搞砸是实打实的。这可不能像你想论证的那样替他免责。

>>1535636

Alright. Explain how then. Explain what exactly Biden did so awfully in specific that wasn't just the result of COVID itself fucking up the world economy for a year and a half.

行。那你解释解释。具体说清楚拜登到底干了什么天怒人怨的事，而且不是新冠本身把世界经济搅了一年半的自然结果。

>>1535638

he's just going to copy paste some nonsense we've all heard a million times. i'd suggest you just make fun of him next time

他只会复制粘贴一堆我们听过一百万遍的屁话。我建议你下次直接嘲笑他

>>1535634

How would that affect imported parts which are a different category. Take your sorry low info poster owning hypotheticals and assconsumptions back to fagland, dickweed. I'm exhausted of dealing with low info liggerals.

那跟进口零件有什么关系？零件是另一个类目。把你那套低信息量发帖人的狗屁假设和拍脑袋臆想带回基佬国去吧，草包。应付低信息量自由派我是受够了。

>>1535638

Check the archive. It's been covered

去查档案吧。早讨论过了

>>1535640

>How would that affect imported parts which are a different category

>那跟进口零件有什么关系？零件是另一个类目

>how would tariffs on materials used to make parts affect the prices of the parts

>对制造零件的原材料加征关税，怎么会影响到零件的价格

>>1535641

So: no you don't have an answer, you just keep parroting this to blame Biden for everything, even the shit Trump is objectively responsible for.

所以：你答不上来，只会鹦鹉学舌地把一切都怪到拜登头上，连特朗普客观上该负责的事也要怪他。

Just like his admin.

跟他那届政府一个德行。

>>1535642

HEY RETARD WTF ARE YOU DOING?

SPEND SOME FUCKING TIME ON GOOGLE AND DIDN'T @ ME WITH YOU'RE GAY FAGGOT STORIES YOU MADE UP.

Thank you.

谢谢。

the meltdown is always the best part

崩溃环节永远是最精彩的

>>1535643

See above. And swap out didn't for *don't.

看上面。然后把“did”不成立的改成“don't”不成立的。

>>1535646

>Lol I'm retreated to the point where I make people flip out

>哈哈我蠢到能把人气得跳脚

>I'm winning!!!

>我赢啦！！！

Probably not a victory tbh

说实话，这大概不算什么胜利

>>1535638

>Alright. Explain how then. Explain what exactly Biden did so awfully in specific that wasn't just the result of COVID itself fucking up the world economy for a year and a half.

>行。那你解释解释。具体说清楚拜登到底干了什么天怒人怨的事，而且不是新冠本身把世界经济搅了一年半的自然结果。

1535641

>I-I-I don't have the evidence to refute your facts which prove my lies and opinions wrong, so I'll demand you look for what doesn't exist because it's lies

>我——我——我拿不出反驳你那些戳穿我的谎言和观点的事实，所以我要逼你去找根本不存在的东西，因为那本来就是编的

In other words, the projecting Trump shill 1535641 is saying 'My source is I made it the fuck up'.

换句话说，疯狂投射的特朗普狗托1535641是在说“我的信源：我他妈现编的”。

>>1535649

>'My source is I made it the fuck up'.

>“我的信源：我他妈现编的”。

Based.

>>1535649

Can you provide a source that doesn't blame biden partially for the post-Covid hyper inflation?

你能给出一个不把后疫情恶性通胀部分归咎于拜登的信源吗？

Ok how about $2,000 now to every American to prove Trump isn't bullshitting, and then $3,000 if he wins the midterms

这样如何：现在先给每个美国人发2000美元，证明特朗普不是在放屁，赢了中期选举再发3000美元

If he did that he'd guarantee his victory, but as it is no one's gonna believe him

他要真这么干，就等于锁定胜局了，可现实是没人会信他

Can someone explain to me the difference between promising $5000 rebate dividends if you win the midterm, and promising $10,000 in student loan forgiveness, $20,000 if you had a pell grant if you win the midterms?

有人能给我讲讲这两者的区别吗：赢下中期选举就承诺发5000美元退税分红，和赢下中期选举就承诺免除1万美元学贷、拿过佩尔助学金（Pell Grant）的免2万美元？

https://x.com/POTUS46Archive/status/1562462774969581570

>>1535652

Do you find it funny that all the leftists are the ones complaining about this and no one seems to care on the other side?.

你不觉得好笑吗，抱怨这事的全是左派，而对面阵营好像没人在乎。

That just proves that liggerals desired power more than socialism.

这恰恰证明自由派想要的是权力，而不是社会主义。

So let me ask this, how long will we be hearing about this faux outrage you don't even care about but you're so uneducated on your opponents beliefs that you think makes a compelling argument against Trump to then this time?

那我问一句：这种你自己都不在乎、而且你对对手理念的愚昧无知让你还当成了反对特朗普的有力论据的伪义愤，这次还要听多久？

Seriously give me a time line.

严肃点，给我个时间表。

i wonder what's for dinner tomorrow

好奇明天晚饭吃什么

>>1535653

No and I'll need you to shut up about that.

没有区别，另外请你闭上嘴别再提这事。

>>1535653

$10,000 is twice as much as $5000, so if $5000 is bad it is twice as bad

1万美元是5000美元的两倍，所以如果5000算坏，那它就是双倍的坏

>>1535653

Sure, its pretty obvious

当然，这很明显

>>1535583

Trump had low inflation while dealing with covid

特朗普一边应对新冠一边还保持着低通胀

https://i.imgur.com/cCgEfoN.jpeg

>>1535657

DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THIS!

It's a whataboutism. We are talking about Trump.

这是比烂逻辑（whataboutism）。我们在谈特朗普。

Stay focused and, again, stop talking about this!

集中注意力，再说一遍，别聊这个了！

>>1535660

Indeed. That's why it's obvious that Biden fucked up the response to COVID causing inflation and not the other way around. In fact, peak inflation was in 2022 after COVID was declared over.

没错。所以显而易见：是拜登把新冠应对搞砸了才导致通胀，而不是反过来。事实上，通胀峰值出现在2022年，那已经是新冠宣布结束之后了。

>>1535216

he wont pay. He still owes from last election, cunt.

他不会发的。上届选举欠的还没还呢，贱货。

>>1535663

How much? I got $1700 IIRC last time.

发多少？我记得上次我拿了1700。

So far Obama stole $500 from me via the individual mandate bullshit.

到目前为止，奥巴马用强制医保那套屁话从我身上抢走了500美元。

Not looking good for Dems.

民主党形势不妙啊。

>>1535664

Whatabout

Conservatives always evading responsibility, just like their russian masters

保守派永远在逃避责任，跟他们的俄国主子一个样

>Trump: 'I'll pay you $5,000, but only if the Republicans win the midterms'

>特朗普：“我给你5000美元，但前提是共和党赢下中期选举”

>this 'dividend' would cost $1 trillion

>这笔“分红”要花1万亿美元

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/09/08/social-security-fund-runs-dry-some-republicans-say-its-time-raise-taxes/

https://archive.md/7ZIpe

>As Social Security fund runs dry, some Republicans say it’s time to raise taxes

>随着社保基金见底，一些共和党人说是时候加税了

So much for that idea. So much for Republicans winning 2028.

这主意算是完了。共和党2028年也悬了。

>>1535216

Not bribery and not illegal.

不算贿赂，也不违法。

His statement is protected by the First Amendment because he said he would pay 5k USD to all MAGA voters IF MAGA wins he didn't claim you have to vote MAGA to get money.

他的言论受第一修正案保护，因为他说的是“如果MAGA赢了就给所有MAGA选民发5千美元”，他没说必须投MAGA才能拿钱。

>>1535673

>telling that people that will decide if you win you'll give them all money if you win isn't bribery

>告诉那些决定你能否赢的人“我赢了就给你们发钱”不算贿赂

Sure, anon.

行行行，老哥。

>>1535673

"maga voters" means people who voted maga. If maga wins and he gives 5k to everyone, then it's not illegal, it's just fucking stupid. If he gives it to only people who supported maga candidates, then it is illegal.

“MAGA选民”指的是投过MAGA的人。如果MAGA赢了然后他给所有人发5千，那就不违法，只是蠢得要命。要是他只发给支持MAGA候选人的人，那就是违法。

Who knows what his dementia-addled brain actually meant to offer?

他那颗被老年痴呆泡烂的脑子到底想承诺什么，天知道？

You people are idiots. Trump and his kids are obviously heavily into polymarket betting. This is just another attempt to cash in on his current job.

你们这帮人真是傻子。特朗普和他那几个孩子显然深度参与Polymarket博彩。这不过是利用现任职务再捞一笔。

>>1535672

Even though his approval keeps hitting record lows, I have 0 doubt in my mind that everyone who voted for him in 24 is gonna do exactly what he says in the midterms.

尽管他的支持率不断刷新新低，我百分之百确信2024年投他的那些人中期选举还是会对他言听计从。

>>1535686

nah I wouldn't say everyone. There are legitimately a lot of people who hated the idea of a 2nd Biden/Harris admin who are incredibly pissed at how he did literally everything they worried would happen under them, including the inflation, war with Iran, systemic corruption...

不，我不会说所有人。确实有很多人本来就反感拜登/哈里斯的第二任期，而现在他们对他的所作所为——通胀、对伊朗的战争、系统性腐败……正是他们当初担心在拜登手下会发生的一切——气炸了。

>massive backlash

>轩然大波

by who? Seething libtards with terminal TDS. you lost lmao

谁掀的？一群晚期特朗普紊乱症（TDS）的破防自由派。你们输了，笑死

Did you guys see his insane rambling into his reasoning on giving out the 5K, but only after Republicans win the midterms?

你们看到他关于“发5千，但只能等共和党赢下中期选举之后”那套疯癫啰嗦的论证了吗？

Listen to this shit:

听听这段屁话：

"Because the Democrats can’t do it. Because with them, it’s negative growth. With us, it’s so positive,” Trump said. “So, we’re taking in $21 trillion. No country has ever taken in anywhere near that. It’s four or five times higher than the next one. All because of that beautiful word you and I love more than most others, tariffs.”

“因为民主党做不到。跟他们在一起，是负增长。跟我们在一起，正得不得了。”特朗普说。“所以，我们进账21万亿美元。从来没有国家进账接近这个数的。是第二名的四五倍。全都因为你我最爱的那个词——比爱大多数别的词还爱——关税。”

>>1535630

>ignoring COVID and the effects

>对新冠及其影响装瞎

I'm not. The entire argument is that Bidens policies and excessive spending drove up inflation and CPI.

我没有。我的全部论点就是：拜登的政策和过度开支推高了通胀和CPI。

>>1535697

Yes, we've been making fun of your simplistic and unsound argument that 'Biden did it'

对，我们一直在嘲笑你那套“都是拜登干的”的简单粗暴又站不住脚的论调

You're catching up, esl shill

你在赶上进度了，ESL狗托

>>1535697

you are. it is your job to lie, after all

你就是在。毕竟撒谎是你的本职工作

>>1535638

>exactly Biden did so awfully

>具体说清楚拜登到底干了什么

Dump $3 trillion into the economy. Push energy policy that caused an already stressed energy market to freak the fuck out.

往经济里灌3万亿美元。推行的能源政策把本就紧绷的能源市场直接干炸了。

COVID was going to cause inflation. Biden made it worse and we can compare by looking at other advanced economies that did not embrace retarded policies: the Euro devalued by 15%, the Yuan by 11%.

新冠本来就会引发通胀。拜登把它弄得更糟，对比一下那些没有采纳蠢政策的其他发达经济体就知道了：欧元贬值15%，人民币贬值11%。

>>1535698

>>1535699

>No argument

>没论点

>No counterfactuals

>没有反事实对比

>No figures

>没有数字

>Just pure seethe

>只有纯粹的破防

Delicious.

>>1535700

>Biden made it worse and we can compare by looking at other advanced economies that did not embrace retarded policies: the Euro devalued by 15%, the Yuan by 11%.

>拜登把它弄得更糟，对比一下那些没有采纳蠢政策的其他发达经济体就知道了：欧元贬值15%，人民币贬值11%。

So they also got devalued almost the same amount as the US.

所以它们的贬值幅度也跟美国差不多嘛。

Considering things were going up by the ends of Biden's term, he seems to have turned it into a recession near miss. Then in comes Trump with his tariffs and Iran war...

考虑到拜登任期结束前形势正在好转，他看起来是把危机化解成了一场擦着边的衰退。然后特朗普带着他的关税和伊朗战争来了……

>>1535701

you need to be taken seriously for people to argue with you, shill anon. work on it

狗托老哥，你得先让人把你当回事，人家才会跟你辩论。努力吧

>>1535702

>11%.

>So they also got devalued almost the same amount as the US.

>所以它们的贬值幅度也跟美国差不多嘛。

Dollar was devalued by 25% which is 66% more than the Euro and 108% more than the Yuan

美元贬值了25%，比欧元多66%，比人民币多108%

>he seems to have turned it into a recession near mis

>他看起来是把危机化解成了一场擦着边的衰退

By dumping $3T into the economy and causing inflation and the CPI to explode. EU and China also avoided recessions while not wrecking their currency and while limiting cost of living issues.

靠往经济里狂灌3万亿美元，导致通胀和CPI爆表。欧盟和中国同样躲过了衰退，而且没把自家货币搞崩，生活成本问题也控制住了。

>Then in comes Trump with his tariffs and Iran war...

>然后特朗普带着他的关税和伊朗战争来了……

I don't know why you keep pushing this. Every single data point shows that the US economy is recovering and growing. I know you WANT it to be bad, because Trump or whatever, but thats simply not the reality.

我不明白你怎么还在硬推这套。每一个数据点都显示美国经济在复苏和增长。我知道你巴不得它烂，因为特朗普什么的，但现实就不是这样。

>>1535705

anon, diesel just reached the highest price ever recorded, due to a war trump said he wouldn't start

老哥，柴油价格刚刚创下有记录以来的最高价，起因是一场特朗普说自己绝不会打的战争

>>1535707

As I said, I know you WANT things to be bad, so you fixate on single data points and ignore the meaningful data that paints a broader picture.

如我所说，我知道你巴不得事情变烂，所以你只会死盯单个数据点，而无视那些能反映全局的有效数据。

>>1535709

>so everything is more expensive because of trump, but that's just cherrypicking

>所以一切变贵都是因为特朗普，而这只是挑数据

see why nobody takes you seriously

明白了吧，为什么没人把你当回事

>>1535705

>Dollar was devalued by 25%

>美元贬值了25%

Wait but >>1535569

等等，可是>>1535569

>The dollar devalued by about 17% under Biden

>拜登任内美元贬值约17%

Which is it fucko?

到底哪个才是真的，蠢货？

>Every single data point shows that the US economy is recovering and growing. I know you WANT it to be bad, because Trump or whatever, but thats simply not the reality.

>每一个数据点都显示美国经济在复苏和增长。我知道你巴不得它烂，因为特朗普什么的，但现实就不是这样。

I go to the grocery store and everything has jumped up about 30% or so in price. I go to fill up my car and it costs almost twice what it did when Biden left office. It IS bad and you don't want to acknowledge it because "look, the DOW!" and shit like that. At most we're being held up on paper by the AI trend, but we already know that is a bubble doomed to burst.

我去趟超市，样样东西涨了大约30%。我去加个油，价格几乎是拜登离任时的两倍。情况就是烂，而你不想承认，因为“看哪，道琼斯指数！”之类的屁话。顶多我们是靠AI这波行情在纸面上撑着，但我们早就知道那是个注定要爆的泡沫。

>>1535710

>everything is more expensive because of trump

>一切变贵都是因为特朗普

Inflation is down massively and stable. That's the data. Already posted in this thread.

通胀已经大幅回落并且稳定。这就是数据。本楼早贴过了。

>>1535713

sure, and trump is going to pay everyone in the nation 5,000 dollars. see why nobody takes you seriously

行啊，特朗普还要给全国每人发5000美元呢。明白了吧，为什么没人把你当回事

>>1535713

>That's the data

>这就是数据

But not the reality. You're not convincing anyone when the average person can see, measurably, that everything costs more than it did in 2024. Gas, food, housing, and especially electronics all spiked and in case you didn't notice you kinda need all of those things.

但不是现实。普通人能实实在在地看到，样样东西都比2024年贵，你说服不了任何人。汽油、食品、住房，尤其是电子产品全都暴涨，而且你可能没注意到，这些恰恰是过日子离不开的东西。

CPI doesn't matter when one hour of work can buy much less than it could before.

当一小时的工资能买到的东西远不如从前时，CPI 就不重要了。

>>1535712

>go to the grocery store and everything has jumped up about 30% or so in price

>去一趟超市，所有东西价格都涨了 30% 左右

Nope. CPI is up 5% under Trump.

并没有。特朗普治下 CPI 上涨了 5%。

>go to fill up my car and it costs almost twice what it did when Biden left office

>去加油，价格几乎是拜登卸任时的两倍

And it still costs less than average price during Bidens term.

但仍然低于拜登任期内的平均价格。

>bad and you don't want to acknowledge it because "look, the DOW!" and shit like that.

>很糟，而你不想承认，因为“看，道指！”之类的。

Its better than at any point since 2020. Again, this is based on the data. Also, I haven't mentioned the DOW once, you're the one who keeps being it up. I've looked at inflation, CPI, the manufacturing index, housing prices and wage growth.

比 2020 年以来任何时候都好。再说一遍，这是基于数据的。而且我一次都没提道指，是你一直在提。我看的是通胀、CPI、制造业指数、房价和工资增长。

Idk why you let your partisan brain waste so much of your time arguing against reality itself.

不懂你为什么让你的党派脑浪费这么多时间去跟现实本身抬杠。

>>1535715

>You're not convincing anyone when the average person can see, measurably, that everything costs more than it did in 2024.

>当普通人可衡量地看到所有东西都比 2024 年贵时，你谁也说服不了。

Yes. Everything will always cost more. That's the nature of inflation which generally sits at 2-3%.

对。东西永远会更贵。这就是通胀的本质，一般维持在 2-3%。

>CPI doesn't matter when one hour of work can buy much less than it could before

>当一小时的工资能买到的东西远不如从前时，CPI 就不重要了

CPI is the measure of the increase of consumer prices. Its literally how we measure how much you can buy, moron.

CPI 衡量的就是消费价格的涨幅。它 literally 就是我们用来衡量你能买多少的工具，白痴。

>>1535716

>you must trust the numbers from the administration full of pathological liars

>你必须信任一整个病态撒谎者政府给出的数字

see why nobody takes you seriously

明白了吧，为什么没人把你当回事

>>1535719

>That's the nature of inflation which generally sits at 2-3%.

>这就是通胀的本质，一般维持在 2-3%。

Note - it's usually not a big deal because wage growth usually also sits at 2-3%. The problem is that under Biden we had massive inflation and no wage growth hence everyone is feeling financially strained.

注——通常这不是大问题，因为工资增长一般也在 2-3%。问题是拜登时期我们经历了大规模通胀、工资却不涨，所以人人都感觉财务紧张。

>>1535216

>Trump knows he is going to lose and desperate enough to resort to naked socialism

>特朗普知道自己要输了，急到 resort 到赤裸裸的社会主义

he's done

他完了

>>1535721

>we

LOL

>>1535722

You're going to be disappointed by the midterms.

中期选举会让你失望的。

>>1535716

>Nope. CPI is up 5% under Trump

>并没有。特朗普治下 CPI 上涨了 5%

People can and have compared prices before and after anon. The CPI is not a perfect reflection and the reality is the things in the store that costs $20 before Trump's second term now cost around $30.

人们可以对特朗普任期前后的价格做比较，也确实这么做过，老哥。CPI 并非完美反映，现实是：特朗普第二任期前卖 20 美元的东西现在卖 30 美元左右。

>And it still costs less than average price during Bidens term.

>但仍然低于拜登任期内的平均价格。

"average price during Bidens term" includes COVID you retard. That's like saying "well you see, if we average out the time your outpost caught on fire and burned down antarctica is actually quite mild most of the time".

“拜登任期内的平均价格”包含了新冠，智障。这就好比说“你看，如果把你前哨站起火烧掉的那段时间平均进去，南极洲大部分时间其实挺温和的”。

>>1535703

ESL shill convinced themselves that no one wants to debate them because their position is unassailable.

ESL 狗托说服了自己：没人想跟他们辩论，是因为他们的立场无懈可击。

Its the internet version of a crazy homeless person shrieking conspiracy theories at cars.

这就是互联网版的疯流浪汉对过往汽车尖吼阴谋论。

>>1535721

>The problem is that under Biden we had massive inflation and no wage growth hence everyone is feeling financially strained.

>问题是拜登时期我们经历了大规模通胀、工资却不涨，所以人人都感觉财务紧张。

And we still have no wage growth. And yet things continue to get even more expensive, especially since we started a war with Iran that led to massive fuel price spikes, which then raises the prices of everything else.

我们现在还是没有工资增长。而且东西还在继续变贵，尤其自从我们跟伊朗开战、燃油价格暴涨之后——那又推高了一切其他价格。

>>1535716

>But guys, the numbers!

>可是各位，数字啊！

Meanwhile in reality everything costs more and the average paycheck can buy less. You don't know shit because you're determined to ignore that we're hitting record prices with no wage increase to balance it out.

与此同时在现实里，所有东西都更贵，平均工资能买的更少。你屁都不懂，因为你铁了心无视我们正创下价格纪录、却没有工资增长来平衡这一事实。

>>1535728

>Meanwhile in reality everything costs more and the average paycheck can buy less

>与此同时在现实里，所有东西都更贵，平均工资能买的更少

MIGA are weasels who have been programmed to ignore reality and latch on to unrelated conspiracy theory nonsense to explain why they're so fucking stupid.

MIGA 就是一群黄鼠狼，被编程成无视现实、死死抱住不相干的阴谋论鬼话，来解释他们为什么会这么他妈的蠢。

ESL shill is worse than that, an illiterate third worlder trained to copy/paste AI arguments

ESL 狗托比那还不如：一个被训练来复制粘贴 AI 论点的没文化第三世界人

>>1535725

>No this objective means of measuring consumer prices doesn't count because it doesn't suit my narrative

>不，这个客观衡量消费价格的手段不算数，因为它不符合我的叙事

>average price during Bidens term" includes COVID you retard

>“拜登任期内的平均价格”包含了新冠，智障

And? You're saying that CPI and inflation doesn't count because COVID while saying it's Trump's fault that CPI and inflation happened during COVID under another administration. That makes no sense.

所以呢？你说因为新冠所以 CPI 和通胀不算数，却又说另一届政府新冠期间发生的 CPI 和通胀是特朗普的错。这说不通。

>>1535730

anon, you're arguing trump has inflation under control in a thread about trump alleging to throw 1.3 trillion dollars to the wind if he wins. it's impossible to take you seriously

老哥，你在一个“特朗普扬言赢了就撒 1.3 万亿美元”的帖子里论证特朗普通胀控制得好。没法把你当回事

>>1535730

>And? You're saying that CPI and inflation doesn't count because COVID

>所以呢？你说因为新冠所以 CPI 和通胀不算数

I'm saying blaming Biden for the effects of a global pandemic is akin to trying to connect damage from an earthquake to economic policy. Some things don't give a shit about policy.

我是说把全球疫情的影响怪到拜登头上，就像把地震的破坏怪到经济政策头上。有些东西根本不给政策面子。

>inb4 "but Biden's covid response!"

>抢答：“可是拜登的新冠应对！”

Biden's covid response actually managed to narrowly dodge a recession and things were improving until Trump came in.

拜登的新冠应对实际上险险躲过了一场衰退，而且情况在改善——直到特朗普上台。

>>1535727

>And we still have no wage growth

>我们现在还是没有工资增长

Real hourly wages have fallen 0.3% which is up from the decline 1.4% under Biden. Extrapolate the trend.

实际时薪已下跌 0.3%，好于拜登时期的 -1.4% 跌幅。自己外推趋势去。

>And yet things continue to get even more expensive

>而且东西还在继续变贵

Yes. Because of inflation but the growth of cost is declining.

对。因为通胀，但成本增速在放缓。

>massive fuel price spikes

>燃油价格暴涨

Nothing compared to Biden.

跟拜登没法比。

>>1535728

Yes. But the situation has improved, dramatically, under Trump. There is no switch you can flick, these are trends and change is gradual. You're entire argument is

对。但局面在特朗普治下显著好转。不存在一个可以拨动的开关，这些都是趋势，变化是渐进的。你的全部论点是

>Biden fucked everything up

>拜登搞砸了一切

>And this is Trump's fault.

>所以这是特朗普的错。

Dollar got nuked under Biden. Prices exploded under Biden. Both are improving, consistently, under Trump. That's based on the data. Not vibes, not feelings, not essays.

美元在拜登治下被核爆。价格在拜登治下爆炸。两者在特朗普治下都在持续改善。这是基于数据的。不是氛围，不是感觉，不是小作文。

>>1535732

>blaming Biden for the effects of a global pandemic is akin to trying to connect damage from an earthquake to economic policy.

>把全球疫情的影响怪到拜登头上，就像把地震的破坏怪到经济政策头上。

I'm not blaming Biden for COVID. I'm blaming Biden for retarded policy that devalued the dollar and drove prices through the roof.

我不是把新冠怪拜登。我是把“让美元贬值、让价格上天”的智障政策怪拜登。

>managed to narrowly dodge a recession and things were improving until Trump came in.

>险险躲过了一场衰退，而且情况在改善——直到特朗普上台。

Insane statement. Absolutely insane.

疯话。绝对的疯话。

>>1535733

>Wages are still decreasing under Trump

>特朗普治下工资还在跌

>Inflation is worse under Trump

>特朗普治下通胀更糟

>Fuel prices are worse under Trump

>特朗普治下油价更糟

Well, you convinced me to not to vote Republican for a reason that isn't related to them supporting pedophiles

好吧，你说服了我因为一个跟他们支持恋童癖无关的理由不投共和党

>>1535733

anon, diesel is at its highest price ever. that means higher than under biden

老哥，柴油正处在史上最高价。意思是比拜登时期还高

>>1535734

>Insane statement. Absolutely insane.

>疯话。绝对的疯话。

i think you forgot to insert your insane statement, you just left the placeholder

你好像忘了插入你的疯话，只留了个占位符

>>1535733

>That's based on the data. Not vibes, not feelings, not essays.

>这是基于数据的。不是氛围，不是感觉，不是小作文。

Meanwhile in reality my paycheck objectively can buy less at the store than it could under Biden. Keep citing data (that I wouldn't fully trust anyway considering it's being sourced entirely by Trump cronies at this point), I'll keep pointing out that people can't afford as much as they could before.

与此同时在现实里，我的工资客观上在店里能买的东西比拜登时期少。继续引用数据吧（考虑到现在数据全出自特朗普亲信，我反正不会全信），我会继续指出：人们买不起从前买得起的东西。

>>1535735

>>Wages are still decreasing under Trump

>>特朗普治下工资还在跌

It's improved from -1.4% to 0.3%. do you not understand numbers? Can you not graph things in your mind?

从 -1.4% 改善到 0.3%。你不识数吗？你脑子里画不出折线图吗？

>>Inflation is worse under Trump

>>特朗普治下通胀更糟

CPI inflation Biden: 4.9%

CPI 通胀 拜登：4.9%

CPI inflation Trump: 1.9%

CPI 通胀 特朗普：1.9%

>Fuel prices are worse under Trump

>特朗普治下油价更糟

Average fuel price Biden: $3.45*

平均油价 拜登：3.45 美元*

Average fuel price Trump: $2.48*

平均油价 特朗普：2.48 美元*

*Measure of the price of gas itself excluding taxes and levies.

*指汽油本身价格，不含税费。

At this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and just get back to work.

到这份上我就当你是在钓鱼，回去干活了。

>>1535733

>Real hourly wages have fallen 0.3% which is up from the decline 1.4% under Biden. Extrapolate the trend.

>实际时薪已下跌 0.3%，好于拜登时期的 -1.4% 跌幅。自己外推趋势去。

Again, you're ignoring COVID effects and lumping it in with Biden policy. People were paid a lot less when they couldn't go into work due to a pandemic you retard.

再说一遍，你在无视新冠影响、把它和拜登政策捆在一起算。疫情期间不能上班的人拿的钱少得多，智障。

>Dollar got nuked under Biden.

>美元在拜登治下被核爆。

Literally almost half of that devaluation (the 25% number you cited before) happened under Trump in the last year.

那些贬值（你之前引的 25%）字面意义上有一半发生在特朗普任内的最近一年。

>>1535739

>Meanwhile in reality my paycheck objectively can buy less at the store than it could under Biden

>与此同时在现实里，我的工资客观上在店里能买的东西比拜登时期少

Declined more under Biden than Trump.

拜登时期贬得比特朗普时期多。

>>1535740

And once again, you bring up averages that don't address the massive spike from COVID in all three of those measures. You're insisting the arctic is warm because the average evened out to about 40 degrees after your station caught on fire.

还有，你又来搬平均值了，而这三个指标全都被新冠的暴涨污染了。你坚持说北极很暖，因为你前哨站起火之后平均值被拉回了 40 度。

Also objectively gas is at the highest its ever been right now under Trump, so the average means even less because it includes Biden's lowest but not the spike Trump directly caused with Iran.

另外客观上，特朗普治下的油价正处在历史最高，所以均值更加没有意义：它包含拜登的最低点，却不包含特朗普因伊朗直接造成的暴涨。

>>1535743

Funny because I can afford less now than i could under Biden. Insisting "well it isn't quite as bad as peak COVID" doesn't really change anything. Biden has a pandemic, Trump just has his own stupidity.

好笑的是我现在买得起的东西比拜登时期少。坚持“反正不如新冠峰值糟”改变不了什么。拜登遇上的是疫情，特朗普遇上的是他自己的蠢。

>>1535741

>you're ignoring COVID effects and lumping it in with Biden policy

>你在无视新冠影响、把它和拜登政策捆在一起算

But you're doing the same thing now.

可你现在干的正是同一件事。

>Literally almost half of that devaluation (the 25% number you cited before) happened under Trump in the last year

>那些贬值（你之前引的 25%）字面意义上有一半发生在特朗普任内的最近一年

Nope. Peak inflation was 9.1% in 2022. Halfway into the Biden admin. Inflation on inauguration day, when Biden took control was 1.4%.

不。通胀峰值 9.1% 出现在 2022 年，拜登任期过半时。拜登接手时的就职日通胀是 1.4%。

>nooo, just embrace my unsourced lies that it was Biden

>不要啊，直接拥抱我没信源的谎言吧，是拜登干的

>I can't actually provide proof, just accept my schizo chat gpt numbers

>我拿不出证据，直接接受我精神分裂 ChatGPT 的数字吧

>please saaaar, please, I need election money to support my village

>求你了 saaaar，求你了，我需要竞选经费养活我的村子

>>1535746

>because I can afford less now than i could under Biden

>因为我现在买得起的东西比拜登时期少

And you could afford faaar les under Biden than you could under Trump 1.0

而你在拜登时期买得起的东西，比你特朗普 1.0 时期少得多得多

>>1535747

>Nope. Peak inflation was 9.1% in 2022. Halfway into the Biden admin. Inflation on inauguration day, when Biden took control was 1.4%.

>不。通胀峰值 9.1% 出现在 2022 年，拜登任期过半时。拜登接手时的就职日通胀是 1.4%。

Anon this isn't addressing the dollar devaluation or the fact we lost 10% valuation under Trump. Are you broken?

老哥，这没有回应美元贬值、也没回应我们在特朗普治下贬值 10% 的事实。你坏掉了吗？

1535749

>you could afford faaar les under Biden

>你在拜登时期买得起的东西少得多得多

esl desperation

ESL 绝望

>>1535749

considering trump added 40% of the national debt under his first term, that's quite a self own

考虑到特朗普第一任期增加了 40% 的国债，这挺自打脸的

>>1535750

>Anon this isn't addressing the dollar devaluation or the fact we lost 10% valuation under Trump. Are you broken

>老哥，这没有回应美元贬值、也没回应我们在特朗普治下贬值 10% 的事实。你坏掉了吗

Most retarded statement ever.

史上最智障的发言。

>>1535752

Not really related to what we're talking about but sure, I can play this game. Biden added 30% and Obama added 87%.

跟我们聊的不太相关，不过行，我可以玩这游戏。拜登加了 30%，奥巴马加了 87%。

member when Biden increased the price of all goods by 166 billion dollars and gave that money back to the businesses? nope, that was Trump

还记得拜登把所有商品价格提高 1660 亿美元、又把钱还给企业吗？不记得，那是特朗普

member when Biden started an illegal war and wasted a trillion dollars losing to Iran? nope, that was Trump

还记得拜登发动非法战争、烧掉一万亿美元输给伊朗吗？不记得，那是特朗普

member when Biden covered up a billionaire pedophile ring and refused to prosecute anyone who raped kids? nope, that was Trump

还记得拜登掩盖亿万富翁娈童集团、拒绝起诉任何强奸儿童的人吗？不记得，那是特朗普

>>1535753

>trump's economic policies are unrelated to the economy

>特朗普的经济政策与经济无关

see why nobody takes you seriously in this thread about trump promising everyone 5,000 dollars

看到在这个“特朗普承诺给每人 5000 美元”的帖子里没人把你当回事的原因了吧

>>1535755

>member when Biden covered up a billionaire pedophile ring

>还记得拜登掩盖亿万富翁娈童集团

I do. He and Congressional Democrats sat on the Epstein files his whole term, and it was Trump and Congressional Republicans who released them.

记得。他和国会民主党人在整个任期里捂着爱泼斯坦文件不放，把它们放出来的是特朗普和国会共和党人。

welp, the shill is defending pedophiles again. time to head out

好嘛，狗托又开始给恋童癖辩护了。先撤了

>>1535761

>the shill is defending pedophiles again

>狗托又开始给恋童癖辩护了

I also can't believe people defend Biden and his refusal to release the files. But we must be tough and fight the good fight.

我也无法相信有人替拜登和他拒绝公开文件辩护。但我们必须强硬地打好这场仗。

>>1535762

before i depart, i just want to express my disappointment in you. your mother is ashamed

临走前我只想表达对你的失望。你妈都替你羞愧

>>1535763

I accept your concession. Have a nice day.

我接受你的认输。祝今天愉快。

>>1535759

>>1535762

Reminder the files were still sealed because of Maxwell's case during Biden's term.

提醒：拜登任内文件仍因麦克斯韦案被封存。

>>1535765

esl shill knows

ESL 狗托心里门儿清

esl shill thinks biden shit their pants last night

ESL 狗托觉得拜登昨晚拉了裤裆

>>1535765

And it was Democrats who went to court to get it unsealed right? Oh, yeah, it was Republicans.

去法院要求解封文件的是民主党对吧？哦对，是共和党。

>>1535767

Actually it was one Republican backed up by the entire Democrat party. Republicans, in response, then slandered him, called him a traitor, then voted him out and have been apparently been keeping Mitch McConnel's lifeless body on life support just to stop him from potentially being able to return.

实际上是一名共和党人、背后是整个民主党。共和党随后诽谤他、骂他叛徒、把他投出去，还显然一直给米奇·麦康奈尔那具没有生命的躯体续着生命维持系统，就为了防止他有可能回来。

>>1535768

Trump spent over a million FBI man hours trying to remove himself from the Epstein files

特朗普花了超过一百万个 FBI 工时，试图把自己从爱泼斯坦文件里抹掉

Everyone knows he fucked kids. MIGA just thinks kids deserve to be raped

谁都知道他干了孩子。MIGA 只是觉得孩子活该被强奸

>>1535769

oh and don't forget the disclosure violated so much of the law to disclose them they're trying to pass a second round because they covered up names they shouldn't have.

哦还有别忘了，那次公开披露违法乱纪到他们正在推动第二轮——因为他们捂住了不该捂的名字。

>>1535770

but have you considered cherry picked data that implies Biden was worse at financial recovery than Trump, even though its objectively true we're worse under Trumps administration than we were under Biden?

但你考虑过挑选过的数据吗？那种暗示拜登经济复苏比特朗普差的数据，尽管客观事实是特朗普治下我们比拜登时期更糟？

>>1535771

Have you considered seeking help for your drug and/or alcohol additction?

你考虑过为你的毒瘾和/或酒瘾寻求帮助吗？

>Democrats winning elections since late 2025

>民主党自2025年底以来赢得选举

>Republicans Against Trump still active after 2020

>2020 年之后“反对特朗普的共和党人”仍然活跃

A massive backlash by Republican voters after late 2025, then early November 2026 making miggers with Democrat Derangement Syndrome seethe, you lose 1535690 lol.

2025 年底之后共和党选民大规模反弹，然后 2026 年 11 月初，让患有民主党失心疯的 MAGA 仔破防，你输了 1535690，哈哈。

>>1535771

>objectively true we're worse under Trumps administration than we were under Biden?

>客观事实是特朗普治下我们比拜登时期更糟？

Sure, if you totally ignore any and all data.

对，前提是你完全无视任何和全部数据。

>>1535790

Again, go to a store or gas station and try to argue we're better off.

再说一遍，去趟超市或加油站，再试试论证我们过得更好。

>Can I provide the data backing up my foreign shill points?

>我能提供支撑我外国狗托论点的数据吗？

>no, just ignore that you're worse off under Trump

>不，直接无视你们在特朗普治下更糟这件事

>>1535793

>Average fuel price Biden: $3.45*

>平均油价 拜登：3.45 美元*

Average fuel price Trump: $2.48*

平均油价 特朗普：2.48 美元*

>*Measure of the price of gas itself excluding taxes and levies.

>指汽油本身价格，不含税费。

>>1535793

I did yesterday. Unlike in 2022, the prices were the same as last week.

我昨天去了。不像 2022 年，价格和上周一样。

>>1535796

>I did yesterday. Unlike in 2022, the prices were the same as last week.

>我昨天去了。不像 2022 年，价格和上周一样。

And how were they compared to 2024 anon?

那跟 2024 年比呢，老哥？

>>1535795

>Gas hitting records high, Diesel literally highest ever

>汽油创历史新高，柴油 literal 史上最高

>"but have you considered comparing the average price two years into an admin to the average price from a four year admin?"

>“可你考虑过拿上任两年的均价跟四年任期的均价作比较吗？”

>>15357 90

>>1535793

Shill means if I ignore the data manufactured by a compromised Bureau of Labor Statistics. But I won’t do that as the real inflation means I’m affording far less under the current administration than ever in my lifetime to the fault of people in charge.

狗托的意思是让我无视被妥协的劳工统计局制造的数据。但我不干：真实的通胀意味着我在现政府治下的购买力低于我此生任何时候，这要归咎于当权者。

>>1535798

>Have you considered the data

>你考虑过数据吗

>No, I run on vibes.

>不，我靠氛围运转。

>>1535797

Pretty much unchanged since about 2023.

自 2023 年以来基本没变。

Because one again, ALL THE FUCKING INSANE hyper inflation was in 2022.

因为再一次，全部该死的疯狂恶性通胀都在 2022 年。

>>1535804

Ooooh. Sorry, that's wrong.

呜哦。抱歉，答错了。

>https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-price-outlook/summary-findings

>>1535802

>B-but the Data!

>可、可是数据！

you're literally trying to compare average prices because comparing the prices from the end of Biden's admin to the current prices would show a massive increase.

你 literal 就是在拿平均价格做比较，因为拿拜登任期结束时的价格跟现在的价格比，会显示出暴涨。

>>1535808

>Okay gas was more expensive under Biden but that's inconvenient for my argument so I am going to attach artificial constraints

>好吧，拜登时期的油价是更贵，但这对我的论点不利，所以我要附加人为限制

The problem here is that your obsessed with Trump, and thus must reject reality.

问题在于你对特朗普执念太深，因此必须否认现实。

>>1535807

What's wrong?

怎么了？

You linked an article without saying what in the article you're referring to.

你贴了一篇文章，却没说文章里你指的是什么。

>>1535810

Was gas more expensive at the end of Biden's term than it is now, yes or no?

拜登任期结束时的汽油比现在贵吗？是或否？

>1535813

>prices were unchanged since 2023

>自 2023 年以来价格没变

>>1535814

>Obey my artificial constraints!

>服从我的人为限制！

"No"

>>1535817

It's not an artificial constraint, this is actual numbers instead of whole admin time averages. When Biden left office, average gas was around $3 and dropping. What price is it now anon?

这不是人为限制，这是真实数字，而不是整个任期均值。拜登卸任时，均价 3 美元左右且在下降。现在什么价，老哥？

>>1535814

According to the data they were more expensive than the middle when we came out of quarantine.

按数据，解封的时候价格比中间那阵更高。

It was because of this increased demand in early 2022 that prices surged and then they came back to normal.

正是因为 2022 年初这种需求增加，价格才飙升，然后又回到正常。

https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2022/0621

Do we know the reason gas prices have increased these past couple months?

我们知道过去几个月油价上涨的原因吗？

>>1535820

>No please ignore the average price! That defeats my argument! Focus only on this one arbitrary period of time!

>不，请无视平均价！它戳穿我的论点！只看这一段任意时段！

>>1535824

> was because of this increased demand in early 2022 that prices surged and then they came back to normal

>正是因为 2022 年初这种需求增加，价格才飙升，然后又回到正常

If that's all it was no one would be angry at Biden. Problem is he pushed a whole bunch of policy that made the O&G industry and market freak the fuck out.

如果只是这样，没人会对拜登愤怒。问题是他推了一整套让油气行业和市场吓疯的政策。

>>1535827

>Problem is he pushed a whole bunch of policy that made the O&G industry and market freak the fuck out.

>问题是他推了一整套让油气行业和市场吓疯的政策。

really?

>>1535226

Damn anon, you really pissed them off. Good job.

该死的老哥，你真把他们惹毛了。干得漂亮。

>>1535328

California paying homeless to vote.

加州出钱雇无家可归者投票。

>>1535827

>Focus only on this one arbitrary period of time!

>只看这一段任意时段！

That "arbitrary period of time" is the present, retard. Are the gas prices right now higher or lower than they were when Biden left office?

那段“任意时段”就是现在，智障。现在的油价比拜登卸任时高还是低？

1535832

>replies to self

>回复自己

>unsourced schizophrenic delusions

>没信源的精神分裂妄想

prime esl shill posts

ESL 狗托的精选帖

>>1535830

>really

Really.

In 2021 he paused drilling/leasing on federal land (prices went up in 2022 right?)

2021 年他暂停了联邦土地上的钻探/租赁（2022 年价格涨了，对吧？）

He killed the Keystone Pipeline in 2021 (I wonder if that had an effect in 2022?)

他 2021 年毙掉了基石输油管道（我猜这对 2022 年有没有影响？）

He increased royalty rates for drilling on federal land by 8%

他把联邦土地钻探的开采权费率上调了 8%

And pushed through a bunch of regs that made O&G exploration, extraction and refining faaar more expensive.

还推了一堆法规，让油气勘探、开采和提炼贵得多得多。

>>1535833

>Are the gas prices right now higher or lower than they were when Biden left office?

>现在的油价比拜登卸任时高还是低？

They are lower than Bidens average.

低于拜登的平均值。

>>1535836

because absolutely nothing else could've affected prices in 2022.

因为 2022 年绝对不可能有别的东西影响价格。

Also, retard, prices hit their peak in 2022 and then were coming down by the end of that year. By your logic they should've kept going up. This also ignores the fact prices were rising since the end of 2020. Why could that be?

还有，智障，价格在 2022 年见顶、当年年底就开始回落。按你的逻辑它应该继续涨。这也无视了价格从 2020 年底就在上涨的事实。那会是因为什么？

>>1535836

Oh, so nothing that did the things you claim.

哦，所以你说的那些事一件都没干过。

Thanks for debunking yourself, schizo

谢谢你自己拆穿自己，精神分裂

>>1535837

That's not what I asked anon. Are they higher or lower than they were than Biden's final result?

我不是问这个，老哥。它们比拜登离任时的结果高还是低？

>>1535840

>>noooooo, you can't ask legitimate followup questions

>>不要啊啊啊，你不能问正当的追问

>>you gotta accept my cherrypicked data that shows Biden was slightly worse than Trumps current shitshow to validate my MIGA retardation

>>你必须接受我挑选过的、显示拜登比特朗普当前的烂摊子稍微糟一点的数据，好为我的 MIGA 智障正名

>>1535836

Correct. Don't forget banning development in Alaska, joining the Paris accords, halting new leases on public land, etc.

正确。别忘了禁止阿拉斯加开发、加入巴黎协定、暂停公共土地新租约等等。

>>1535838

>because absolutely nothing else could've affected prices in 2022.

>因为 2022 年绝对不可能有别的东西影响价格。

Maybe trying to tear down our oil production in the middle of a pandemic was a bad idea?

也许在疫情中试图拆掉我们的石油产能是个坏主意？

>Also, retard, prices hit their peak in 2022 and then were coming down by the end of that year.

>还有，智障，价格在 2022 年见顶、当年年底就开始回落。

Yes, because - and let me get my notes here...

对，因为——让我翻翻我的笔记……

>realized he fucked up, begs OPEC for more oil, they laugh at him, goes back to oil companies he promised to get rid of and begs them to produce now that gas is $5+ a gallon in exchange for walking back some of his EOs

>意识到自己搞砸了，跑去求欧佩克多产油，人家嘲笑他，又回头找那些他誓言要收拾的石油公司、求人家在油价 5 美元多一加仑时增产，交换条件是收回一部分行政令

This is where we got that meme of "oh were producing more oil than ever before"

这就是“哦我们的石油产量史上最高”这个梗的由来

>>1535842

>Biden was slightly worse

>拜登稍微糟一点

Highest gas price under Biden was $5/gal, Trump's high is $4.50/gal

拜登任内最高油价是每加仑 5 美元，特朗普的高点是每加仑 4.50 美元

>>1535847

Highest diesel price in history (and still rising) is under Trump. And trump's fault, because of a war he lied about not starting.

史上最高柴油价（且仍在涨）出现在特朗普任内。而且是特朗普的错，因为他打了一场他谎称没发动的战争。

>>1535847

What was Biden's final gas prices when he left office anon, and what are Trump's now?

拜登卸任时最后油价是多少，特朗普现在又是多少，老哥？

>>1535851

Okay, and?

行，所以呢？

>>1535852

Higher than that specific date, but lower on average and never as high as the high under Biden.

比那个特定日期高，但均值更低，而且从没高过拜登任内的高点。

>>1535845

>Maybe trying to tear down our oil production in the middle of a pandemic was a bad idea?

>也许在疫情中试图拆掉我们的石油产能是个坏主意？

Why did oil prices spike for the rest of the world then?

那为什么世界其他地方的油价也飙升？

>in exchange for walking back some of his EOs

>交换条件是收回一部分行政令

Which ones did he walk back anon?

他收回了哪几个，老哥？

>>1535853

>Higher than that specific date, but lower on average and never as high as the high under Biden.

>比那个特定日期高，但均值更低，而且从没高过拜登任内的高点。

Oh wow so you're admitting Trump has increased gas prices since coming into office. Thank you.

哇哦，所以你承认特朗普上台以来涨了油价。谢谢你。

>b-but they went down before they went up!

>可、可是它们先降了才涨的！

Then we shouldn't hold Biden by his highest now, should we?

那我们现在也不该拿最高点算拜登的账喽？

>>1535853

And you've been exposed as a lying faggot for the 100,000th time

然后你第十万次被暴露为撒谎的基佬

>>1535855

>Oh wow so you're admitting Trump has increased gas prices since coming into office

>哇哦，所以你承认特朗普上台以来涨了油价

I don't think anyone ever argued otherwise.

我觉得从来没人否认过这个。

>Then we shouldn't hold Biden by his highest now

>那我们现在也不该拿最高点算拜登的账喽

We should hold him to his average.

该拿平均值算。

>>1535857

What lie?

什么谎？

>>1535859

What did your mother do to deserve you

你妈做了什么孽，才摊上你

>>1535858

>I don't think anyone ever argued otherwise.

>我觉得从来没人否认过这个。

you went an awfully long way to not admit it.

你为了不承认这事绕了好大一个圈。

>We should hold him to his average.

>该拿平均值算。

Why? Especially with COVID fucking up that statistic. Why should I not directly compare how the prices were when Biden left office to how they are right now?

为什么？尤其新冠已经把那个统计搅得一团糟。我为什么不直接拿拜登卸任时的价格跟现在比？

>>1535862

>Why should I not directly compare how the prices were when Biden left office to how they are right now?

>我为什么不直接拿拜登卸任时的价格跟现在比？

Biden screwed with oil prices because he was trying to follow the Green New Deal.

拜登搅乱油价，是因为他想追随“绿色新政”。

Trump was tricked into bombing Iran by the zionist lobby in America.

特朗普是被美国的犹太复国主义游说集团忽悠去轰炸伊朗的。

Biden knew what he was doing and acted out of maliciousness. Trump is just a boomer who got propagandized (many such cases).

拜登清楚自己在干什么，而且出于恶意。特朗普只是个被宣传洗脑的老登（类似的案例很多）。

Dems have never dropped the 'let's trash every combustion engine in America to save the planet' insanity. At least republicans are waking up to Israeli influence in America.

民主党从未放下“为了拯救地球砸烂美国每一台内燃机”的疯狂。至少共和党人开始醒悟到以色列对美国的影响力了。

>>1535865

>Ok fine Trump did do this, but it's really not his fault. He was tricked into it. It's not even that bad.

>好吧行，特朗普确实干了这事，但真的不怪他。他是被忽悠的。而且没那么糟。

>>1535866

shills enjoy their humiliation ritual.

狗托们享受他们的受辱仪式。

>>1535865

You know even in your scenario I would consider the commander in chief being easily subvertable by foreign powers to be a much worse issue than misguided environmentalism.

你知道吗，就算按你的剧本，我也会认为“总司令容易被外国势力轻易策反”比被误导的环保主义严重得多。

>>1535862

>Especially with COVID fucking up that statistic.

>尤其新冠已经把那个统计搅得一团糟。

That would be valid if it was ONLY COVID and not ALSO his retarded energy policy.

如果只有新冠、没有他那套智障能源政策，这话还成立。

>>1535879

how do you wake up and humiliate yourself day after day like this

你怎么能做到天天睡醒就继续羞辱自己

>>1535868

Thats because you're not a shill for foreign powers trying to destroy America so its children can be systematically raped

那是因为你不是外国势力的狗托——人家想搞垮美国，好让美国的孩子被系统性强奸

>>1535865

>Biden screwed with oil prices because he was trying to follow the Green New Deal.

>拜登搅乱油价，是因为他想追随“绿色新政”。

You're talking about a conceptual policy framework that was never passed and never became a law anywhere in the country. You absolute feces-eating mouth-breather.

你说的是一个从未通过、在全国任何地方都没成为法律的概念性政策框架。你这个吃粪便的喘气怪物。

>>1535955

>You absolute feces-eating mouth-breather.

>你这个吃粪便的喘气怪物。

yes, work the shaft you filthy bitch

对，使劲干活吧，你这脏婊子

>>1535890

A foreign shill would have much more impact posting on truth social where the president might see and act in accordance with their claims.

外国狗托要真想有影响力，该去 Truth Social 发帖，总统没准能看到并照他们说的办。

>>1535726

Almost like you never actually respond to his arguments with evidence of your own, just responding with ad hominem attacks as he posts proof of Biden doing shit worse than Trump ever did

感觉就像你从来没用自己的证据回应过他的论点，只会人身攻击，而他贴出拜登干得比特朗普任何时候都烂的证据

>>1535973

>his

LOL. god your life is humiliating

哈哈。天呐你的人生真屈辱

>>1535976

>we

>his

>they

>american

What pronoun doesn't trigger liggerals?

哪个代词不惹怒自由派？

>>1535978

did you know that everyone knows when you samefag

你知道吗，你搞自问自答大家全都看得到

>>1535756

>goalpost moving

>移动球门柱

democrats are incapable of discourse just fake news propaganda see how you immediately try to divert the conversation the moment he called out your sheer hypocrisy. God the world's better with you 6 foot under.

民主党人不会正经讨论，只会假新闻宣传——看看他一揭穿你那纯粹的虚伪，你立刻就想转移话题。天呐，这个世界没有你、你在地下六英尺，会更好。

>>1535955

>conceptual

>was talked about by the Squad for years

>“小队”们念叨了好几年

>made it on to Biden's presidential platform

>进了拜登的总统竞选纲领

>Biden started fucking with the oil market and rescinding oil leases

>拜登开始搅乱石油市场、撤销石油租约

>dems can't stop talking about how the president doesn't control oil prices

>民主党人止不住地说总统控制不了油价

>conceptual

You lost, tranny.

你输了，变性人。

>>1535982

>being on topic is goalpost moving

>切题居然叫移动球门柱

see why nobody takes you seriously

明白了吧，为什么没人把你当回事

>>1535980

>everyone

your life must be in shambles if you are projecting public opinion this hard

你投射民意投射得这么用力，你的人生肯定一地鸡毛

>>1535984

ahh yes because >>1535756

哦对，因为 >>1535756

is so on topic lol you subhuman brainlet.

太切题了哈哈，你这个次人类小脑仁。

you ignored the part where by your own definition obama is 2x worst for the economy then trump.

你无视了按你自己定义、奥巴马对经济的糟糕程度是特朗普两倍的部分。

Buh buh buh immediately divert to some bullshit about 5k handout.

吧吧吧，立刻转移去 5k 补贴的什么鬼东西。

>>1535987

sorry you're too esl to understand the context of "everyone" in this setting

抱歉你太 ESL，理解不了这个语境里“每个人”的意思

>>1535976

sorry you're too esl to understand the context of "his" in this setting

抱歉你太 ESL，理解不了这个语境里“他的”意思

it's always flattering when esl shill tries to copy me

ESL 狗托试图抄我作业的时候总是很 flattering

>>1535216

if democrats can promise to rape your wife and kids if they don't win then trump can offer a fixed tax refund.

如果民主党可以承诺不赢就强奸你的妻儿，那特朗普也可以承诺固定退税。

uh oh, esl shill's mental illness is really kicking in now

呜哦，ESL 狗托的精神病要发作了

>>1535865

>Trump was tricked into bombing Iran by the zionist lobby in America.

>特朗普是被美国的犹太复国主义游说集团忽悠去轰炸伊朗的。

Not true. Iran has been attacking ships and enriching Uranium to cause trouble for the entire region.

不是真的。伊朗一直在袭击船只、浓缩铀，给整个地区制造麻烦。

Itranians are bombing their fellow Arab nations as well, such as Saudi Arabia and UAE.

伊朗人还在轰炸他们的阿拉伯邻国，比如沙特和阿联酋。

So, tell me how it's a trick of the jews again.

所以，再给我讲讲这怎么是犹太人的阴谋。

The jewish trick is saying it's a war for Israel, because 99% of jews vote Democrat.

犹太人的阴谋是把它说成为以色列打的战争，因为 99% 的犹太人投民主党。

>>1536035

>So, tell me how it's a trick of the jews again.

>所以，再给我讲讲这怎么是犹太人的阴谋。

Christian retards make up most zionists anon.

老哥，犹太复国主义者大多数是基督徒智障。

Also, Marco Rubio literally said it was Israel's fault. Take it up with him.

另外，马尔科·卢比奥 literal 说过这是以色列的错。找他去。

>>1535216

Not sure why people are so mad at it. I don’t forsee this one happening the same way I didn’t see Sleepy’s $10,000 / $20,000 student loan relief getting approved. The main difference with that though is that it was targetted. This is for everyone. I still don’t forsee it happening though. That said, my 401k is doing great so keep up the good work Trump

不理解大家为什么这么愤怒。我不觉得这事会发生，就像我不觉得瞌睡乔的 1 万/2 万美元学生贷款减免能获批一样。主要区别是那个有针对性，这个面向所有人。虽然我还是不觉得它会成。话说我的 401k 表现很好，继续加油特朗普

>>1536036

A Zionist Christian is a jew in disguise, anon.

犹太复国主义基督徒就是伪装的犹太人，老哥。

>>1536038

no, just a useful idiot for the billionaire class

不，只是亿万富翁阶级的得力蠢货

>>1536039

Like a Democrat?

比如民主党人？

But anyway, that's aside the point that Iran has been fucking with the entire region and attacking ships of all nationalities in an attempt to bring the US to the negotiating table to have sanctions removed.

不管怎样，撇开这点：伊朗一直在搅乱整个地区、袭击各国的船只，试图逼美国上谈判桌解除制裁。

>>1536041

have you ever not been full of shit

你有没有哪一刻不放屁

>>1536043

ESL shill doesn't even know what they're copying/pasting unless they throw it into a different translation tool.

ESL 狗托甚至不知道自己在复制/粘贴什么，除非再扔进另一个翻译工具。

>>1536043

Do you even read the news that's posted here?

你到底读不读这里贴的新闻？

>>1535869

>>1535765

Maxwell was convicted in 2022.

麦克斯韦 2022 年就被定罪了。

>>1536051

Oops. lol

哎呀。哈哈

>>1536048

That’s happening because Trump attacked them, retard. What’s your point?

那是因为特朗普打了他们，智障。你想说什么？

>>1536053

>War for Israel.

>为以色列而战。

>Iran lashes out against Saudi Arabia

>伊朗对沙特发难

Why do liggerals act like they're retarded and don't get the point?

为什么自由派要装智障、装看不懂要点？

Are you liggerals actually retarded?

你们自由派是真的智障吗？

>>1536053

he's too dumb to get a real job so he spends all day failing to convince anyone of anything but his own ineptitude

他蠢到找不到正经工作，所以整天忙着说服不了任何人任何事情，除了自己的无能

>>1536055

Israel bullshitted Trump into attacking Iran. Iran is retaliating against US allies in the region. What about that doesn’t make sense? Seriously, what fucking point are you trying to make?

是以色列忽悠特朗普去打伊朗。伊朗报复该地区的美方盟友。这哪里说不通？认真问：你到底想表达什么鬼要点？

>>1536060

Ok and what about the decade of terror not directed at Israel ordering the war?

好，那过去十年那些不是针对以色列、也没人下令开战的恐怖袭击怎么算？

>>1536067

>Ok and what about

>好，那什么什么怎么算

Fuck you, answer my question.

去你的，回答我的问题。

>>1536069

I did but you're fucking drunk or looney and unable to understand the answer.

我回答了，可你他妈喝醉了还是疯了，理解不了答案。

>>1536074

people can't understand you because you're an incoherent low iq shill with no purpose in life

大家理解不了你，因为你是个语无伦次、低智商、人生没有目标的狗托

>>1536074

Yeah, that’s what I thought, retard.

对，我就知道，智障。

>>1535216

This is so fucking insanely illegal. But who’s even keeping track anymore?

这事非法到惊天动地。可谁还在记账呢？

It’s shit like this that makes me sigh when people talk up the midterms like they matter. “We’ve got to save democracy!” Motherfucker, the fascists are already in the White House, being corrupt as fuck and ignoring the constitution and law however they want. What fucking systemic solution do you think there is to this?

就是这种事让我在人们把中期选举说得好像很重要时叹气。“我们必须拯救民主！”天呐，法西斯已经进了白宫，腐败到骨头里、想怎么无视宪法和法律就怎么无视。你觉得这还有什么制度性的解决方案？

>What fucking systemic solution do you think there is to this?

>你觉得这还有什么制度性的解决方案？

Just wait for a couple of months. Despite any claims to the contrary by desperate miggers, the Democrats will take the Senate & HoR in the midterms, thus the only things Trump will be able to do without the Democrats' permission is play golf, and the only actual power he'll have left is to open the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics: if he dare show his retarded orange face there without being booed.

等几个月就好。不管绝望的 MAGA 仔怎么嘴硬，民主党将在中期选举拿下参众两院，到那时特朗普不经民主党许可唯一能干的事就是打高尔夫，他剩下的唯一实际权力就是给 2028 年洛杉矶奥运会剪彩——如果他敢顶着嘘声露出他那智障橙脸的话。

There's the solution.

解决方案这不就来了。

>>1536090

>the only things Trump will be able to do without the Democrats' permission is play golf

>特朗普不经民主党许可唯一能干的事就是打高尔夫

How?

Trump does a thing. The democrat controlled senate and house say “You can’t do that!” Trump does it anyway. Now what? He’s already ignoring the law and the government and doing whatever he wants, why would he stop now?

特朗普干了一件事。民主党掌控的参众两院说“你不能这么干！”特朗普照样干。然后呢？他已经在无视法律和政府、为所欲为了，为什么现在会停？

>>1536085

>the fascists are already in the White House

>法西斯已经进了白宫

I wish Trump was as bad as you think he is.

真希望特朗普有你想象的那么坏。

>>1536092

Lol. Trump 2028 it is

哈哈。那就是特朗普 2028 了

>>1536096

your mother wishes you got a real job

你妈希望你找到正经工作

>>1536111

What does your mom think about your frequent posting here?

你妈怎么看你频繁在这里发帖？

Do you tell her about the one you call "esl shill"?

你跟她说过那个你叫“ESL 狗托”的人吗？

>>1536123

why would i talk about how i make fun of you to her? i have a real job we can discuss

我为什么要跟她聊我怎么取笑你？我有正经工作可以聊

>>1536126

Being a paid shill isn't a real job

拿钱发帖可不是正经工作

>>1536130

as your mother reminds you often

你妈也经常这么提醒你

>Trump does a thing. The democrat controlled senate and house say “You can’t do that!” Trump does it anyway

>特朗普干了一件事。民主党掌控的参众两院说“你不能这么干！”特朗普照样干

But only play golf.

但只能打高尔夫。

Trump won't have the power to do anything else other than open the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics. Anything else? Start another forever war etc? the Democrat-controlled Senate & HoR can say 'No' and that's the end of it. Trump can only do what it likes now because the Republicans have both the Senate & HoR. But after the midterms and the Democrats take control of the Senate & HoR, Trump becomes lame duck a l'orange.

特朗普除了给 2028 洛杉矶奥运会剪彩将没有任何别的权力。别的？再开一场永恒战争什么的？民主党掌控的参众两院可以说“不”，就此了结。特朗普现在为所欲为只是因为共和党同时掌握参众两院。但中期选举之后民主党拿下参众两院，特朗普就变成“橙子味跛脚鸭”。

>Trump does a thing. The democrat controlled senate and house say “You can’t do that!” Trump does it anyway

>特朗普干了一件事。民主党掌控的参众两院说“你不能这么干！”特朗普照样干

The fact you think that's how things will be after November proves you aren't American, 1536092.

你以为 11 月之后会是那样，这个事实就证明你不是美国人，1536092。

>>1536111

>>1536123

You mother accepts you as a homo. But deep down she wanted a normal child to give her grand babies. She is disappointed and probably confused as to why.

你妈接受你是个基佬。但她心底里想要个正常孩子给她生孙辈。她很失望，而且多半搞不懂为什么。

>>1536134

I guess Mom needs to start posting on /news/

那看来你妈该来 /news/ 发帖了

Says 1536134 the projecting closet case. Accusations are Admissions.

出自 1536134 这个投射狂深柜之口。指控即招供。

And 1536134 will never beat the jobless esl shill allegations

而 1536134 永远洗不掉“无业 ESL 狗托”的指控

>>1536133

>Trump won't have the power to do anything else other than open the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics.

>特朗普除了给 2028 洛杉矶奥运会剪彩将没有任何别的权力。

Based on what? The law and our system of government, right? But he just ignores all that already. He’s already got his cronies everywhere, Heggy’s purging the military of anyone who would say no, so it’s not like there aren’t people who will do what he says regardless.

凭什么？法律和我们的政府制度，对吧？可他已经在无视这一切了。他的亲信已经遍布各处，赫吉正在清洗军队里一切会说“不”的人，所以不缺愿意照办的人。

>Trump can only do what it likes now because the Republicans have both the Senate & HoR. But after the midterms and the Democrats take control of the Senate & HoR, Trump becomes lame duck a l'orange.

>特朗普现在为所欲为只是因为共和党同时掌握参众两院。但中期选举之后民主党拿下参众两院，特朗普就变成“橙子味跛脚鸭”。

Yeah? Then answer that “now what” question. Dems take congress, Trump ignores them, what can they actually, practically do? Tell me.

是吗？那回答那个“然后呢”的问题。民主党拿下国会、特朗普无视他们，他们实际、现实地能做什么？告诉我。

Look, buddy, I want you to be right, but I’m really not seeing it.

听着伙计，我盼着你是对的，但我真看不出来。

>1536142 thinks its American

>1536142 自认为是美国人

Look buddy, I want you to be American, but you'll never be one.

听着伙计，我盼着你是美国人，但你永远不可能是。

>>1536153

And you are so off-base. I’m a dem, you dumb bitch, just a realistic one.

而且你完全说偏了。我就是个民主党人，你这个蠢婊子，只是个现实主义的民主党人。

1536170

Aw, the queen of unrealistic leftist larping is sad they've been exposed as a dumb non-American bitch.

哎呀，不现实左派装腔的女王难过了，因为被揭穿是个又蠢又非美国的婊子。

I'm sorry that happened (not really).

我很遗憾这事发生了（并不）。

>>1536142

>But he just ignores all that already.

>可他已经在无视这一切了。

Reminder: dems have offered to grant subsidies in exchange for votes for decades.

提醒：几十年来民主党一直在拿补贴换选票。

NYC recently got slapped down by the Supreme Court of NY because they unironically promised suffrage to illegal immigrants living in the state.

纽约市最近被纽约州最高法院扇了巴掌，因为他们 unironically 承诺给住在该州的非法移民投票权。

>https://www.courthousenews.com/new-york-top-court-strikes-down-law-to-allow-noncitizen-voting-in-big-apple-elections/

>>1536183

There's no problems with immigrants voting in local elections if they live and work there

移民在地方选举投票没什么问题，只要他们在那里生活和工作

If you disagree, fuck you: states get to decide their elections

不同意就去你的：各州有权决定自己的选举

its not like they're voting federal

又不是在投联邦的票

>>1536183

That's not the same as a bribe.

这跟贿选不是一回事。

>>1536185

>There's no problems with immigrants voting in local elections if they live and work there

>移民在地方选举投票没什么问题，只要他们在那里生活和工作

They're not American citizens. They don't have a right to vote in nations to which they do not belong.

他们不是美国公民。他们无权在非他们所属的国家投票。

Stop your traitorous activities anytime.

你的叛国活动随时可以停了。

>>1536188

Are you a citizen of New York? If not, your opinion is meaningless

你是纽约市民吗？不是的话，你的意见毫无意义

The citizens of New York can decide to let the citizens of New York vote in New York elections

纽约市民可以决定让纽约市民参加纽约的选举

>>1536189

The highest court of New York literally and explicitly disagrees with you. Get fucked, traitorous rat.

纽约最高法院 literal 明确不同意你。去你的，叛国的老鼠。

>>1535216

>US: “I will give $5,000 to every adult if we win,” Trump said

>美国：“如果我们赢了，我给每个成年人 5000 美元，”特朗普说

could be worse...

还可能更糟……

>esl shill doesn't understand how democracy works

>ESL 狗托不懂民主怎么运作

>liggerals don't understand how citizenship works

>自由派不懂公民权怎么运作

>>1536140

I need help figuring out, who here is projecting and confessing through their accusations?

我需要帮助判断：这里谁在借指控来投射和招供？

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>>1536123

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>>1536214

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

>>1536324

Yeah these are some difficult english phrases. Like "Projecting closet case." "Accusations are admissions" and then following that up with jobless esl shill allegations. Are Allegations the same as accusations, which means that you are admitting you are a jobless esl shill?

对，这些都是高难度英语短语。像“投射狂深柜”“指控即招供”，接着还有“无业 ESL 狗托的指控”。指控（Allegations）和 accusation 是一回事吗？那你是在承认自己是个无业 ESL 狗托咯？

1536214

>I need help

>我需要帮助

Obviously.

>who here is projecting and confessing through their accusations?

>这里谁在借指控来投射和招供？

1536134

1536214

>>1536163

>I'm just here to weave baskets, you HIV homo

>我只想来编筐的，你这个 HIV 基佬

You should kill yourself for how seriously you take 4chan seriously, 1536214.

把 4chan 这么当回事，你该为自己自杀谢罪，1536214。

>>1536324

1536327 is esl when it can't figure out that it is a jobless projecting closet case that admits what it is via the allegations it makes, so no wonder its basically reduced to 'no u'.

1536327 是 ESL，因为它搞不懂自己就是个无业、投射的深柜，还通过它发出的指控承认了自己是什么，难怪它基本退化到只会“你才”。

As 1536327 doesn't know the meaning of those phrases, at least it admits it isn't American, therefore, like all its opinions that go into the trash, it is irrelevant.

既然 1536327 连那些短语的意思都不懂，至少它承认了自己不是美国人，因此，正如它所有进垃圾桶的观点一样，它无关紧要。

>>1536327

Every accusation is a confession from the right.

右翼的每一项指控都是一份自白。

You know that’s what it means, but you’re pretending not to in order to obfuscate the point of the phrase because that’s all you fucking do.

你知道那短语什么意思，但你假装不懂，好把这句话的重点搅浑，因为你他妈除了这个啥也不会。