JD·万斯(JD Vance)说他对引发末日无所谓。
https://newrepublic.com/post/214990/jd-vance-says-he-ok-bringing-end-times
> JD Vance Says If His Work With Trump 'Leads to the End Times' That Is 'OK'
>JD·万斯称，如果他跟特朗普的工作“招致末日”，那也“没关系”
>"Show this clip to anyone who says Iran is run by religious lunatics," responded one podcaster.
>“把这段视频放给任何说伊朗由宗教疯子统治的人看，”一位播客主回应道。
>>1533622
So Vance admits trump is the anti-christ and is willingly working for him.
所以万斯承认特朗普就是敌基督，还心甘情愿给他打工。
He's going to get a deep spot in hell.
他会在地狱最深处占个坑的。
Ok but it's antisemitic to NOT bring about the apocalypse. have you considered that?
行，但不引发末日才是反犹。你考虑过这一点吗？
>>1533622
So, true believers (Democrats) will it happen?
那真正的信徒（民主党人）会乐意看到它发生吗？
>>1533673
No because it's all made up nonsense. But he helping to make things a lot worse here in this country.
不会，因为那全是瞎编的鬼话。但他确实在帮着把美国这边的事搞得一团糟。
>>1533622
And this retard calls himself catholic.
这智障还自称天主教徒呢。
>>1533622
>In another portion of the interview, Vance claimed he’s focused on “doing as much of God’s work as possible,” shrugging that “if that leads to the end times, OK.”
>在采访的另一段里，万斯声称自己专注于“尽可能多做上帝的工作”，还耸耸肩说“如果这招致末日，那也行”。
ohwowitsfuckingnothing
哦哇操真没什么大不了嘛（ohwowitsfuckingnothing）
>>1533703
Why angery then?
那你气什么呢？
>>1533706
How is not applying any of the lessons in the bible gods work?
圣经里的教诲一条都不遵守，这算哪门子上帝的工作？
>>1533722
when the shills have to defend takes this egregious, all they can do is gaslight. or the usual off topic deflection
狗托们要给这种离谱观点洗地时，能做的只有把你忽悠瘸了，或者照例顾左右而言他
>>1533622
>In our latest news from far-left dogshit website newrepublic.com, JD Vance said THIS!!!
>来自极左狗屎网站 newrepublic.com 的最新消息：JD·万斯说了这个！！！
Wow, must be a really slow news night. Thanks Trump for keeping everything safe and boring so shills have to work at it.
哇，今晚新闻是真没东西可写了。谢了啊特朗普，把一切保得又安全又无聊，狗托们得费好大劲才能编出点货。
see how the shills can't defend it
看见没，狗托们根本没法辩护
Christianity is a mental illness
基督教就是种精神疾病
>>1533722
>lessons in the bible
>圣经里的教诲
The bible (Christ specifically) says that a person is known by the fruits of the labors.
圣经（具体说是基督）说过，凭果实就能认出一个人。
What are the fruits that MAGA has produced?
MAGA 结出的果实是什么？
>>1533730
they're more prone to the act of deflowering than bearing fruit
比起结果实，他们更擅长破瓜
>>1533730
A locked down border with illegals getting tossed out and less 2A restrictions.
封死的边境，非法移民被往外扔，第二修正案(2A)限制更少。
Low gas prices would've been nice, but once again Jews had to go and fuck everything up.
油价低当然好，但犹太佬又一次非要把一切搅黄。
>>1533722
>you're not being a good Christian
>你不是个好基督徒
>t. notachristian
>t. 署名：不是基督徒
>>1533738
psst, esl shill, the bible can be read by anyone, not just christians
嘘，ESL狗托，圣经谁都能读，不是只有基督徒能读
>>1533738
>aha I posit that which cannot be proven thus ensuring my victory
>啊哈，我提出一个无法证明的东西，这样我就稳赢了
>how dare you expect me to respond to the actual topic like some gaytheist?!
>你竟敢要求我像什么基徒（gaytheist）一样回应正题？！
>>1533712
>angery
>>1533734
>A locked down border with illegals getting tossed out
>封死的边境，非法移民被往外扔
lmao, you believe this
笑死，你居然信这个
>>1533745
Are illegal border crossings at their lowest since disco was a thing? Yes or no.
非法越境是不是迪斯科还流行的年代以来的最低点？是还是不是。
>I am stupid enough to believe it, and I can prove it!
>我蠢到信这个，而且我能证明！
>No the government is lying! And so is the media! And so is every fact-checker in the world! And so is the Mexican government! And so is the UN. I'm not crazy! You're the one that's crazy! I'll kill you!
>不，政府在撒谎！媒体也在撒谎！全世界的每个事实核查员都在撒谎！墨西哥政府也在撒谎！联合国也是！我没疯！疯的人是你！我杀了你！
>>No the government is lying! And so is the media! And so is every fact-checker in the world! And so is the Mexican government! And so is the UN. I'm not crazy!
>>不，政府在撒谎！媒体也在撒谎！全世界的每个事实核查员都在撒谎！墨西哥政府也在撒谎！联合国也是！我没疯！
Have you payed attention to literally anything that has happened in these last six years?
过去六年里发生的事，你有哪怕一件留心过吗？
Do you have any proof beyond "just trust me, bro" and "orange man bad"? No? Well then I'm going to believe CBS News over you when they tell me that the most anti-immigration president we've had in this entire century almost completely stopped illegal border crossings at numbers we haven't seen since the 70s.
除了“信我就完事了兄弟”和“橙人坏坏”之外你还有任何证据吗？没有？那我宁愿信CBS新闻，人家告诉我本世纪迄今最反移民的这位总统把非法越境几乎清零，降到70年代以来没见过的水平。
>esl delusions are real
>ESL式妄想是真的
>I get my news from TikTok
>我看新闻靠TikTok
>>1533750
Imagine being this far gone up the orange man's ass. How does someone get this bad?
想象一下头埋橙人屁股里埋到这个深度。一个人怎么能烂到这个地步？
>>1533753
You're the one obsessed with dRumpf, you stupid whore. Didn't you realize?
迷恋dRumpf（川普蔑称）的人明明是你，你这个蠢婊子。没意识到吗？
>>1533622
Doesn’t the Bible say trying to predict or bring about the end times is a sin?
圣经不是说试图预言或引发末日是罪吗？
Isn’t he supposed to be a catholic?
他不是号称天主教徒吗？
>>1533774
It says that nobody except God knows the 'appointed time'.
圣经说的是，除了上帝没人知道“指定的时刻”。
The belief that humans can bring God to earth by checking all the boxes on a list is a belief that originated from eastern european jews. The entire point of Christianity is leaving your fate to the hands of God.
那种认为人类可以通过勾完清单上的每一项把上帝带到世上的信仰，源自东欧犹太人。基督教的全部要义是把命运交到上帝手里。
>>1533759
Look at a mirror while you say this.
说这话之前先照照镜子。
>>1533775
>The fucking Pope himself calls you one of the worst living Christians and a disgrace to Catholicism 20 minutes before he dies
>教皇本尊在去世前20分钟亲口说你是当今最烂的基督徒之一、天主教的耻辱
>Still pretends to be a Christian
>还装自己是基督徒
I cannot think of anyone alive more spineless and embarrassing than this fat ugly faggot
我想不出世上还有谁比这个肥丑死基佬更没脊梁、更丢人的活人
>>1533777
Why? I haven't been obsessed with getting dRumpf for a decade.
为什么？我并没有十年来一直痴迷于搞dRumpf。
I suppose you didn't realize the world didn't end between 2016 and 2020, and barely anything changed between 2024 and 2026.
我猜你没意识到2016到2020年世界没完蛋，2024到2026年也几乎什么都没变。
A decade of
整整十年的
>The sky is falling
>天要塌了
And in 2020 when the sky was actually falling and things were actually going to shit, you sat there and still complained about getting dRumpf.
而2020年天真塌下来、事情真在完蛋的时候，你坐在那儿还在念叨搞dRumpf。
>>1533774
"Hey JD Vance aren't you worried that war in the middle east will bring about rapture and the second coming of Christ?"
“嘿，JD·万斯，你不担心中东战争会引来末日被提和基督再临吗？”
"If my work with Trump leads to the end times, that is OK"
“如果我跟特朗普的工作招致末日，那也没关系”
>JD VANCE IS PREDICTING THE END TIMES HE MUST BE A SINNER
???
>>1533779
>caring what the pope says unironically
>还真把教皇的话当回事
The pope can say whatever he wants. Christians are supposed to worship God only.
教皇爱说啥说啥。基督徒只该拜上帝。
>>1533780
But did you factor in that you're a retarded esl shill obsessively posting on this board because of your terminal TDS brainrot?
但你有没有把这一点算进去：你就是个智障ESL狗托，因为晚期川普失心疯(TDS)脑腐而在这个版上强迫症式发帖？
>>1533782
and mega churches, the way G*D intended
还有巨型教会，G*D（故意不写全的上帝）本意如此
JD is Bean counting here.
JD·万斯这是在精打细算选票账。
this comment will get a few votes from religious right and won't hurt them too much elsewhere.
这句话能从宗教右翼那里换几张选票，在别处又不会太伤他们。
>>1533782
So maybe they shouldn't worship Trump and actually hold him to Christian morals. Because he does not follow that moral code in the slightest
所以他们也许不该把特朗普当神拜，而应该真拿基督教道德要求他。因为他一丝一毫都没遵守过那套道德
>>1533794
>21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
>21 “凡称呼我‘主啊，主啊’的人不能都进天国；惟独遵行我天父旨意的人才能进去。”
>22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
>22 “当那日必有许多人对我说：‘主啊，主啊，我们不是奉你的名传道，奉你的名赶鬼，奉你的名行许多异能吗？’”
>23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
>23 “我就明明地告诉他们说：‘我从来不认识你们，你们这些作恶的人，离开我去吧！’”
Matthew 7:20-23
马太福音 7:20-23
>>1533781
It goes against scripture, but keep calling yourself a Christian. All it does is make slandering real believers way fucking easier
这违背圣经，但你就继续自称基督徒吧。唯一的后果就是让诽谤真正的信徒变得他妈容易多了
>>1533796
>“Do I think we are in the end times? I don’t know,” Vance said in the interview released Monday, noting that it would be bad for him spiritually if he were to spend too much time thinking about that query. “While I’m fascinated by it, I think that focusing on it too much can be very bad.
>“我们处于末世吗？我不知道，”万斯在周一发布的采访中说，并表示花太多时间琢磨这个问题对他的信仰没好处。“虽然我很着迷，但我觉得想太多会非常糟。”
>“I think there are things about the world that make feel like not shocked if the Antichrist was walking among us,” Vance added.
>“我觉得这个世界上的有些事，让我就算看到敌基督就在我们中间也不会太惊讶，”万斯补充道。
>In another portion of the interview, Vance claimed he’s focused on “doing as much of God’s work as possible,” shrugging that “if that leads to the end times, OK.”
>在采访的另一段里，万斯声称自己专注于“尽可能多做上帝的工作”，还耸耸肩说“如果这招致末日，那也行”。
What goes against scripture?
什么违背圣经了？
>>1533797
You don't see it?
你看不出来？
Its the part where you're a retarded esl shill supporting pedophiles. Go back to your containment board
就是你这个智障ESL狗托支持恋童癖的那部分。滚回你的圈养版去
>>1533797
Facilitating pain and suffering across the globe in the pursuit of bring about the end times, probably.
大概是打着引发末世的旗号，在全球各地促成痛苦和苦难吧。
Just a guess.
随口一猜。
>>1533798
>>1533799
Strange deflection but whatever helps you sleep at night
转移话题的方式挺怪，不过能让你夜里睡得着就行
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpBXzEoG00
JD Vance is a devout Catholic. He hasn't been turned away at the eucharist
JD·万斯是虔诚的天主教徒。圣餐(eucharist)又没把他拒之门外
https://www.catholicherald.com/article/national/biden-denied-communion-at-mass-in-south-carolina/
>I'm a dumbass esl shill supporting shitty American priests in opposition to the pope
>我是个蠢驴ESL狗托，支持美国那帮烂神父，跟教皇对着干
You earned your tranny hooker today, esl shill
你今天的变性人妓女挣到手了，ESL狗托
>>1533800
>He hasn't been turned away at the eucharist
>圣餐又没把他拒之门外
He puts his trust in man over his faith in God.
他信人胜过信上帝。
Your local bishop isn't God. The pope isn't God. God is God.
你的主教不是上帝。教皇不是上帝。上帝才是上帝。
>What is God?
>上帝是什么？
God is Truth. And the truth is that Vance is facilitating widespread suffering because he trusts the zionist lobby over his own scripture.
上帝即真理。而真相是：万斯在促成大范围的苦难，因为他信犹太复国主义游说团胜过信自己捧着的圣经。
The bible is categorical in the way it differentiates people that are truly faithful to God.
圣经在区分谁才是真正忠于上帝的人这件事上，写得分明得很。
Good fruit is born from good trees. Bad fruit comes from bad trees. The actions you take are indicative of your character, and Vance has lied about doing God's work.
好树结好果，坏树结坏果。你的行为暴露你的品性，而万斯在“做上帝的工作”这件事上撒了谎。
>>1533800
Standard practice for people who support infanticide openly.
对公开支持杀婴的人来说，这是标准操作。
>>1533784
Hello jew.
你好啊，犹太佬。
>>1533729
>Christianity is a mental illness
>基督教就是种精神疾病
>Also men can get pregnant.
>另外男人能怀孕。
>esl shill got triggered into bringing up their tranny fetish again
>ESL狗托被戳到痛处，又把他们的变性人癖好抖出来了
>>1533805
Have you considered it is not truly infanticide if you use mental gymnastics thus deflecting all criticism? Actually murdering innocents, protecting the wealthy and discriminating against the poor is what Jesus was teaching in the New Testament all along!
你有没有想过，只要你多做几套精神体操把一切批评都闪过去，杀婴就不算真的杀婴？其实新约里耶稣从头到尾教的都是：谋杀无辜、保护富人、歧视穷人！
>>1533814
Nope. and nope.
不是。也不是。
That's why I'll never vote Democrat again.
所以我永远不会再投民主党了。
>>1533814
Murdering the innocent, like the unborn
谋杀无辜，比如未出生的
Protecting the wealthy, like big pharma, Moderna and Pfizer are above reproach, their products are so safe it is illegal to sue them for damages
保护富人，比如大药厂——莫德纳(Moderna)和辉瑞(Pfizer)是不可批评的，他们的产品安全到起诉他们索赔都属违法
>>1533803
That is a lot of words to say JD Vance is sinning because he doesn't agree with my politics or political objectives
这一大堆字翻译过来就是：JD·万斯在犯罪，因为他不同意我的政治立场和政治目标
esl shill is samefagging again
ESL狗托又开始自演（samefag，自己回自己）了
>>1533824
>see because you abort children we have free reign to murder them
>看，因为你们堕胎杀孩子，所以我们就有权随便杀他们
You’re right though, abortion goes against Christian teachings but the Democratic Party doesn’t sell itself as one
不过你说得对，堕胎确实违背基督教教义，但民主党又没把自己包装成基督教政党
>muh big pharma
>又来了，“大药厂”云云
The audacity of this dumb nigger to imply big pharma plays a side in politics lmao
这个蠢黑鬼还真敢暗示大药厂在政治里站队，笑死
Remind me again which president authorized operation warp speed?
再提醒我一下，是哪位总统批准了曲速行动？
you're a faggot, esl shill
你是个死基佬，ESL狗托
>>1533832
Technically we do have free reign to murdrer people who commit infanticide at least according to the teachings of the Catholic church.
严格来说，按天主教的教导，我们还真有权弄死那些杀婴的人。
>>1533832
Only one side voted to give trillions to companies via ACA.
只有一边投票通过了让公司借奥巴马医改(ACA)拿几万亿的法案。
Who was that again?
是哪边来着？
>>1533803
and Yahweh is a false lower ''god'' and Christianity is a man-made psyop
而且耶和华是个假的下等“神”，基督教是场人造的心理战
>>1533837
mitt romney?
米特·罗姆尼？
>>1533839
Uh oh, now we're going to get esl logic that the GOP Presidential candidate for 2012 is actually a democrat
哦豁，接下来我们又要听到ESL逻辑了：2012年共和党总统候选人其实是个民主党人
>>1533837
>giving healthcare to your fellow man is as unchristian as taking care of the poor!
>给你同胞提供医疗跟照顾穷人一样不基督教！
I’d love to hear the logic of Jesus behind this one
我很想听听耶稣对这条的逻辑
>>1533844
The use of state force to redistribute capital is not the same as charitable giving.
用国家强制力再分配资本，跟做慈善不是一回事。
>>1533832
That president didn't try to impose a Vaxx mandate on federal employees to the point of being blocked by the Supreme Court, only to apply the same mandate to the US military causing thousands of military personnel who were not at risk and at the peak of physical fitness to be fired from their jobs.
那位总统可没试过对联邦雇员强推疫苗强制令、直到被最高法院拦下来，然后把同样的强制令套到美军头上，害得成千上万毫无风险、体能巅峰的军人被开除。
Also Joe Biden got huge amounts of money from big pharma, like he got money from the credit card industry
另外乔·拜登从大药厂手里拿了巨额政治献金，就像他从信用卡行业拿钱一样
>>1533862
Wait until you find out the consequences for not following the rules laid out in the bible. I mean Trump and Vance are going to find out after they bring about their end times
等你知道不守圣经规矩的后果再说吧。我是说，特朗普和万斯弄出他们的末世之后就会知道了
>>1533871
>ok so our guys literally pushed through vaccines but whattabout Biden
>行吧所以我们的人亲手把疫苗推到位了，但你看拜登啊
That really was the best you could come up with huh
你费半天劲就想出这个，是吧
>>1533873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_annonae
The grain dole existed during the time of Christ
基督那个年代就有粮食救济了
Why did Jesus say give to the poor and render unto Caesar that which is Caesars if what he really meant is render unto Caesar so he can give to the poor?
耶稣为什么说“周济穷人”“凯撒的物当归凯撒”，而不是“归凯撒，好让他去周济穷人”？
>>1533873
>Wait until you find out the consequences for not following the rules laid out in the bible. I mean Trump and Vance are going to find out after they bring about their end times
>等你知道不守圣经规矩的后果再说吧。我是说，特朗普和万斯弄出他们的末世之后就会知道了
I'm not particularly interested in the opinions of some random atheist.
我对随便哪个无神论者的看法没什么兴趣。
>>1533871
If you are in the military in peak physical condition, and you refused to get vaccinated, then you very literally are not in peak physical condition, you're a giant liability that puts the health of the people around you at risk. Removing you is literally the safest option for everyone who relies on you to be part of your unit. If you voluntarily resigned from your job at the military because you chose that over getting vaccinated, then you're literally too much of a fucking moron to go be a bullet sponge for a living.
如果你在军队里自称体能巅峰，却拒绝接种疫苗，那你在字面意义上就不在体能巅峰，你就是个巨型累赘，拿身边人的健康冒险。把你清出去，对每个依赖你编入编制的人来说都是最安全的选择。如果你因为宁可不打疫苗而自愿从军队辞职，那你他妈蠢到连当人体沙包这份工作都不配干。
>>1533881
>I'm not particularly interested in the opinions of some random atheist.
>我对随便哪个无神论者的看法没什么兴趣。
That's really, really funny you see. Because the 'consequences for not following the rules laid out in the bible' is that you're punished infinitely for finite crimes in hellfire.
这可真太搞笑了你懂吗。因为“不守圣经规矩的后果”就是在地狱烈火里为有限的罪受无限的罚。
So like, someone just said "do what the bible says or you'll go to hell," and you're like "shut-up atheist!" which is about the critical thinking ability I'd expect from a religious person, yeah.
就是说，有人说“照圣经说的做，不然下地狱”，然后你来一句“闭嘴吧无神论者！”——这大概就是一个宗教信徒该有的批判性思维水平了，嗯。
>>1533875
>Why did Jesus say give to the poor and render unto Caesar that which is Caesars
>耶稣为什么说“周济穷人”“凯撒的物当归凯撒”
1. There's no evidence outside the bible or good reason to believe jesus existed or said anything ever.
1. 圣经之外没有任何证据或像样的理由让人相信耶稣存在过或说过任何话。
2. "Render unto Caesar" is about roman taxation, not charity. There is a theme in the new testament of submitting to roman authority, being politically passive, and waiting for your reward in heaven. Historical mythicists, historians who don't believe in a historical jesus, have hypothesized the Jesus figure was created as a response to Jewish resistance and messianic expectations, with a version of the messiah that redirects revolutionary expectations into submission to Rome.
2. “凯撒的归凯撒”讲的是罗马税制，不是慈善。新约有一条主线：顺服罗马权威、政治上消极、等着上天领赏。历史神话论者（不认为耶稣在历史上存在的历史学家）提出假说：耶稣这个形象是被创作出来回应犹太抵抗运动和弥赛亚期待的，用一个改写版的弥赛亚，把革命的期待引向顺服罗马。
In other words, the passage you're quoting can be interpreted as evidence that Jesus was a written fictional character. That's why he said that. Because he was propaganda, much like he still is today.
换句话说，你引用的那段完全可以解读为“耶稣是个笔下的虚构人物”的证据。他才会那么说。因为他就是宣传品，跟今天一样。
>>1533892
>That's really, really funny you see. Because the 'consequences for not following the rules laid out in the bible' is that you're punished infinitely for finite crimes in hellfire.
>这可真太搞笑了你懂吗。因为“不守圣经规矩的后果”就是在地狱烈火里为有限的罪受无限的罚。
>So like, someone just said "do what the bible says or you'll go to hell," and you're like "shut-up atheist!" which is about the critical thinking ability I'd expect from a religious person, yeah.
>就是说，有人说“照圣经说的做，不然下地狱”，然后你来一句“闭嘴吧无神论者！”——这大概就是一个宗教信徒该有的批判性思维水平了，嗯。
I'm not playing the game where I get held to rules you don't believe in, or understand, and where those rules are bent to conveniently align with your ideology.
我不玩这种游戏：拿你自己都不信、也不理解的规矩来约束我，还把规矩随意扭曲来贴合你的意识形态。
>>1533892
>If you are in the military in peak physical condition, and you refused to get vaccinated, then you very literally are not in peak physical condition, you're a giant liability that puts the health of the people around you at risk. Removing you is literally the safest option for everyone who relies on you to be part of your unit. If you voluntarily resigned from your job at the military because you chose that over getting vaccinated, then you're literally too much of a fucking moron to go be a bullet sponge for a living.
>如果你在军队里自称体能巅峰，却拒绝接种疫苗，那你在字面意义上就不在体能巅峰，你就是个巨型累赘，拿身边人的健康冒险。把你清出去，对每个依赖你编入编制的人来说都是最安全的选择。如果你因为宁可不打疫苗而自愿从军队辞职，那你他妈蠢到连当人体沙包这份工作都不配干。
Get a load of this guy inadvertently defending the Tuskegee Syphilis Study
快看这位，一不小心给塔斯基吉梅毒实验(Tuskegee Syphilis Study)辩护上了
>>1533892
>There's no evidence outside the bible or good reason to believe jesus existed or said anything ever.
>圣经之外没有任何证据或像样的理由让人相信耶稣存在过或说过任何话。
This is bait.
这是钓鱼贴。
Tacitus and Josephus both confirmed his existence. There were also these 12 guys, kind of a big deal, who confirmed his existence.
塔西佗(Tacitus)和约瑟夫斯(Josephus)都确认过他的存在。另外还有那12个人，分量不轻，也确认过他的存在。
>>1533895
>Outside the bible
>圣经之外
>There were these twelve guys
>还有那十二个人
You cannot possibly be this stupid.
你不至于蠢成这样吧。
>Tacitus and Josephus both confirmed his existence.
>塔西佗和约瑟夫斯都确认过他的存在。
All three of those references are of dubious veracity, and even if they're authentic they aren't contemporary, coming about 90 years after the supposed execution. A later author repeating Christian tradition isn't an independent witness to the events described in the faith.
那三处记载全都不太靠得住，而且就算是真的也不是同时代的，出自所谓受刑大约90年之后。后世作者复述基督教传统，算不上对信仰所述事件的独立见证。
>I'm not playing the game where I get held to rules you don't believe in, or understand, and where those rules are bent to conveniently align with your ideology.
>我不玩这种游戏：拿你自己都不信、也不理解的规矩来约束我，还把规矩随意扭曲来贴合你的意识形态。
If you believe in the rules, and you believe god gave you the rules, you still have to follow them if I don't believe in them. You clearly don't believe in or understand them either, they're just arbitrary to you. So why are you even talking? You're clearly too dumb to be having this conversation. You probably are somebody who needs religion, yeah, the world's fucking confusing for you huh?
如果你信这套规矩，还信是上帝给你的规矩，那就算我不信，你也得遵守。可你显然自己也不信也不懂，规矩对你而言就是随口定的。那你还有什么好说的？你明显蠢到没资格谈这个话题。你八成就是那种离不开宗教的人，对吧，这个世界对你来说太他妈费解了是吧？
>>1533894
LOL. Tuskegee wasn't unethical because public health considerations are inherently illegitimate; it was unethical because the people involved were denied informed consent and treated as means to an institutional end.
笑死。塔斯基吉不道德，不是因为公共卫生考量天生不正当；它不道德，是因为当事人被剥夺了知情同意，被当成实现机构目的的工具。
Leave it to a fucking psycho to not understand morality and need religion to have a semblance of why an idea is wrong. Fuck you lizard-brain.
也就一个他妈的神经病才会不懂道德、非得靠宗教才能隐约明白一件事为什么错。滚你妈的蜥蜴脑。
>>1533905
>>Outside the bible
>>圣经之外
>>There were these twelve guys
>>还有那十二个人
>You cannot possibly be this stupid.
>你不至于蠢成这样吧。
You dispute the existence of the 12 disciples, eye-witnesses to the events in question?
你质疑那12个门徒的存在？他们可是相关事件的目击者。
>All three of those references are of dubious veracity
>那三处记载全都不太靠得住
>Tacitus
>dubious veracity
>不太靠得住
So first it was "there are no sources outside the bible" and now its "no that source doesn't count". Also, nigger, do you know who the fuck Tacitus is? I dont think you do, because if you did you certainly would not define him as "dubious".
所以先是“圣经之外没有信源”，现在又变成“不，那个信源不算数”。还有，黑鬼，你知道塔西佗是谁吗？我觉得你不知道，因为你要是知道，绝不会把他定义成“不太靠得住”。
>f you believe in the rules, and you believe god gave you the rules, you still have to follow them
>如果你信这套规矩，还信是上帝给你的规矩，那就算我不信，你也得遵守
Yes. I have to follow the rules, not what you say the rules are.
对。我得守的是规矩本身，不是你嘴里说的那套规矩。
>>1533905
>it was unethical because the people involved were denied informed consent and treated as means to an institutional end.
>是因为当事人被剥夺了知情同意，被当成实现机构目的的工具。
Kinda like how servicemen did not have informed consent when they were forced to take an experimental mRNA vaccine, under an Emergency Use Authorization, using a whole new platform and that had undergone limited clinical testing as a means to an institutional end?
有点像军人们被强迫接种试验性mRNA疫苗的时候，也没获得知情同意？那疫苗在紧急使用授权(EUA)下用了全新平台，只做过有限临床测试，同样是实现机构目的的工具？
Conversational TKO.
对话式TKO。
>>1533892
There's no evidence to believe fags are human either,
也没有任何证据证明基佬是人类，
>>1533750
source?
>>1533907
>You dispute the 12?
>你质疑那12个？
Yes. If they're eyewitnesses and wrote the gospels, why are there wild contradictions between them? If they existed, give me literally any evidence the 12 disciples existed that doesn't come from a Christian source.
对。如果他们是目击者、还写了福音书，那为什么四福音书之间满是离谱的矛盾？如果他们存在过，随便给我一个不是出自基督教信源的、证明这12门徒存在的证据。
>There are no sources outside the bible
>圣经之外没有信源
A forgery isn't a source. If you want to defend forgeries as sources, sources become meaningless.
伪造品不叫信源。你要坚持把伪造品当信源，那信源这个词就没有意义了。
>you switched to "that source doesn't count"
>你改口成“那个信源不算数”了
Also not even close to what I said, as expected of a retard's reading comprehension. Dumbing it down for you I said the sources are likely forgeries, but even if they aren't they don't confirm the existence of jesus, they confirm the existence of christians generations after he was supposed to have existed.
而且跟我说的差了十万八千里，智障阅读理解名不虚传。给你降低难度讲一遍：我说那些信源很可能是伪造的；就算不是，它们证明的也不是耶稣存在，而是证明在他“应该存在”的若干代之后存在基督徒。
>You would not define Tacitus as dubious
>你绝不会把塔西佗定义成“不太靠得住”
I didn't, I said the reference he made to jesus was a likely forgery you stupid faggot, pay attention.
我没那么说，我说的是他提到耶稣的那处很可能是伪造，你这个蠢基佬，看仔细点。
>>1533908
>denied informed consent and treated as means to an institutional end
>被剥夺了知情同意，被当成实现机构目的的工具
That's an incredibly broad standard for "unethical." By that logic, literally every compulsory military order is unethical if the institution benefits from it.
这个“不道德”的标准也宽得离谱。按这个逻辑，只要机构能从命令中获益，那所有强制性军事命令都不道德。
Tuskegee wasn't unethical because coercion or institutional interests are inherently wrong. It was unethical because the subjects were deliberately deceived about their condition, denied informed consent, and denied effective treatment so researchers could use them to study the disease.
塔斯基吉不道德，不是因为强迫或机构利益天生有错。它不道德，是因为受试者被蓄意隐瞒病情、被剥夺知情同意、被扣着有效治疗不给，好让研究人员拿他们研究病程。
The military vaccine mandate isn't analogous to that. Servicemembers weren't being deliberately kept ignorant of a diagnosis so researchers could observe an untreated disease, nor was an effective treatment being withheld from them for the sake of an experiment. The mandate was a force-health/readiness policy involving vaccines that had undergone clinical testing and, by the time the mandate was issued, Pfizer's vaccine had received full FDA approval. The mandate itself specified FDA-licensed vaccines, rather than requiring servicemembers to participate in clinical research.
军队疫苗强制令跟这个不可类比。军人没有被蓄意蒙在鼓里、留着病让研究人员观察，也没有为了实验被扣着有效治疗不给。这道强制令是部队健康/战备政策，涉及的疫苗经过临床试验，而且到强制令下达时，辉瑞的疫苗已获FDA完全批准。强制令本身指定的就是FDA许可的疫苗，而不是要求军人参与临床研究。
So "they didn't have a choice and the military benefited from it" doesn't establish a Tuskegee analogy. You're going to have to establish that the relevant circumstances are actually comparable.
所以“他们没得选而且军队从中获益”并不构成塔斯基吉类比。你得先论证相关情境真的可比。
>Conversational TKO. I declare victory the same way I cum! Prematurely!
>嘴上TKO。我宣布胜利的方式跟我射一样——早泄！
>>1533626
ahh yes, meanwhile trannies and male feminists who prey on kids will all be going to heaven
啊对，与此同时那些祸害小孩的变性人和男版女权全都排着队上天堂
>>1533626
>So Vance admits trump is the anti-christ and is willingly working for him.
>所以万斯承认特朗普就是敌基督，还心甘情愿给他打工。
The anti-christ is supposed to be an extremely charismatic figure, that is universally beloved and unites the entire world under a new religion.
敌基督应该是个魅力爆棚的人物，被全世界爱戴，用一种新宗教把整个世界统一到旗下。
Trump is not the antichrist, and people who say that are biblically illiterate and ascribing far too much significance to a retarded faggot in the dark triad.
特朗普不是敌基督。说这话的人圣经不及格，还把一个黑暗三角人格里的智障基佬抬得太高。
>>1533918
>ahh yes, meanwhile trannies and male feminists who prey on kids will all be going to heaven
>啊对，与此同时那些祸害小孩的变性人和男版女权全都排着队上天堂
The funny thing is, according to your religion they will if they're christian. Jesus directly says the only requirement to get into heaven is to believe in him and accept his divinity and sacrifice. You earn salvation "through faith alone" Good works don't get you into heaven. Your behavior does not matter, your salvation is dependent on you believing the narrative. That's why your morality is fucked and you're a fucking sheep. And you literally call your god a Shepard tending his flock. Shepard eat sheep, you fucking dumbass, they don't even try to hide it from you.
好笑的是，按你们宗教的说法，只要他们是基督徒，还真能上天堂。耶稣直说了，进天堂的唯一条件就是信他、接受他的神性和牺牲。你“仅凭信心”就得救。善行不能让你进天堂。你的行为不重要，你的得救取决于你信不信那套叙事。所以你们的道德才会烂成这样，你才是个他妈的绵羊。而且你们还真把自己的神叫“牧羊人”，牧着他的羊群。牧羊人是吃羊的你个蠢货，人家连装都不带装的。
>>1533892
>1. There's no evidence outside the bible
>1. 圣经之外没有任何证据
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger_on_Christians
>>1533892
On the one hand you are saying Jesus believes everything you say
一边你说耶稣认同你说的每句话
On the other hand you are saying Jesus is made up and everything he says is propaganda
另一边你说耶稣是编出来的、他说的一切都是宣传
Pick a lane. Either JD Vance and Trump are going to hell because Jesus is real or they're not because he isn't
选一条道走吧。要么耶稣是真的，JD·万斯和特朗普要下地狱；要么耶稣是假的，他们不下。
>>1533963
i'm an atheist, also pretty sure people would consider unncessary body modifications and rape morally wrong. but what do i expect from a leftist politically and mentally challenged pig, I genuinely wish trump was the nazi you all make him out to be because when you die the world will be better off.
我是无神论者，而且我很确定大家都会认为不必要的身体改造和强奸在道德上是错的。不过我对一个左派政治与智力双残的猪还能指望什么呢。我真希望特朗普真是你们嘴里那个纳粹，这样等你们死了，世界还会好一点。
>>1534042
I love how you guys say openly evil and irredeemable shit like this and still pretend to be on some kind of moral high horse cuz
太爱看了，你们能面不改色说出这种明摆着邪恶、无可救药的话，还照样假装自己骑着道德高头大马，因为
>What about Hasan
>Hasan 怎么说
You’re gonna be reminded everyday how that boot tasted when Dear Leader isn’t around anymore
等亲爱领袖不在了，你每天都会被提醒那靴子是什么味的
>>1534175
you're political party has educators who've spoken for the last decade saying its fine to assault students who don't vote democrat. I'd say look in the mirror but you'd just see yourself as a saint in every way imaginable even if you were the most vile person on earth. People are done with you, you should just hurry up and kill yourself that's the best thing you can do for the world.
你们政党那边，教育工作者过去十年一直在公开喊“可以揍不投民主党的学生”。我倒想让你照照镜子，但你哪怕是地球上最下作的人，也会把自己看成十全十美的圣人。人家受够你了，你干脆麻溜自杀得了，那是你能为这个世界做的最好的事。
>>1534042
>I'm an atheist
>我是无神论者
Good thing you let that be known immediately so I can ignore the rest of your post
真好，你一上来就自报家门，你后面那堆话我就可以直接无视了
>>1534196
>reddit spacing
>reddit 空格
subhumans like you deserve the rope
你这种下等人就配上吊绳
>>1533811
No it's a belief, but not the pregnant men thing. That's only for mostly pedos despite priests wanting to molest children, that's another story.
不，那算一种信仰，但“男人能怀孕”那个不算。那玩意基本是恋童癖专属——虽然神父们也想猥亵儿童，那就是另一码事了。
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