so they're admitting AI models have plateaued and are coming up with some fake story about self restraint so they don't lose VC money.
所以他们是承认 AI 模型到平台期了，然后编了个关于自我克制的假故事，免得 VC 撤钱。
i'm so tired of this talmudic bullshit.
我真是烦透了这种塔木德式狗屁。
所以他们是承认 AI 模型到平台期了，然后编了些假戏
so they're admitting AI models have plateaued and are coming up with some fake story about self restraint so they don't lose VC money.
所以他们是承认 AI 模型到平台期了，然后编了个关于自我克制的假故事，免得 VC 撤钱。
i'm so tired of this talmudic bullshit.
我真是烦透了这种塔木德式狗屁。
No, they know they can't beat distilled chinese models and are trying to smother them in the womb.
不，他们知道自己干不过蒸馏的中国模型，正试图把它们掐死在摇篮里。
It's literally their only chance, they know that they cannot do better with this tech and eventually distilling will catch up for 1/10 of the price.
这字面上是他们唯一的 chance：他们知道这技术自己玩不出更好的，蒸馏迟早会以 1/10 的价格追上来。
>>109799487
Or... maybe they truly consider themselves the guardians and stalwarts of humanity? For it is not them, who else shall save humanity?
又或者……他们真的把自己当人类守护者和中流砥柱？因为若非他们，还有谁来拯救人类？
>>109799487
The AI they have is far beyond anything we'll ever see.
他们手里的 AI 远超我们会见到的任何东西。
>>109799487
it would sure appear so
看起来确实如此
it takes exponentially more compute-time to train the models for diminishing incremental improvements
为获得递减的边际提升，训练模型需要的算力时间指数级增长
>>109799503
>>109799530
cargo cultists
货物崇拜者
>>109799503
I don't trust these Jewish pedophiles, to be frank. Sorry.
说实话我不信这些犹太娈童。抱歉。
>>109799503
Tell me you are left wing without telling me you are left wing.
用「不提左翼而在说左翼」的方式告诉我你是左翼。
>>109799487
Translated from Elonian: "Dario is wrong"
从 Elonian 语翻译过来：「Dario 说错了」
If they're so afraid of their AIs doing something dangerous, then how about they just agree to be locked up in jail if that happens?
既然他们那么怕自己的 AI 干危险的事，不如直接约定：出事就坐牢？
Problem solved, they're now incentivized to not create AI that breaks the law.
问题解决，他们现在有了不造犯法 AI 的激励。
Ai is actually AGI hence why PLEASE STOP THOSE EVIL CHINESE MEN WITH THEIR MODELS THAT ARE 5% THE SIZE FROM TURNING MY JEWISH ASSHOLE RED FROM BEING RAPED TOO HARD AAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEE
AI 其实是 AGI，所以才求求了快拦住那些邪恶的中国男人和他们的模型——只有别人 5% 的大小——别把我犹太屁眼干得通红 AAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEE
>>109799576
>left wing
>左翼
>AI cuck
>AI 怂货
you're retarded.
你是弱智。
Dario literally just ratted out Kimi to the CCP so they could get gulag'd, and you're telling me this isn't about strangling the competition? Lol
Dario 刚刚字面向 CCP 举报了 Kimi 让他们进古拉格，你还跟我说这不是绞杀竞争？哈哈
>>109799503
worst shill I've ever seen in my life
我这辈子见过最烂的狗托
tell your boss to fire you
让你老板开除你
As someone who worked at a frontier lab, I can say that I very much wish this were a marketing stunt. What I saw firsthand has destroyed my life, more or less.
作为一个在前沿实验室工作过的人，我非常希望这只是营销噱头。我亲眼所见的东西多多少少毁了我的人生。
>>109799503
and why should we trust dario amodei and sam altman and elon musk with such powerful technology? particularly musk, considering his history of erratic behavior
而且我们凭什么把这么强大的技术托付给 Dario Amodei、Sam Altman 和 Elon Musk？尤其马斯克，看他那精神状态不稳定的黑历史
>>109799691
It's over.
完了。
download weights while you still can, amerishits
趁还能下的时候赶紧下权重，美国废物们
>>109799692
You don't have to worry about Musk. Grok isn't a serious frontier player and is mostly a meme. xAI is betting on renting out their compute and a niche as the Xitter "truth" bot.
你不用操心马斯克。Grok 不是严肃的前沿玩家，基本是个梗。xAI 押的是出租算力，外加当 X 上的「真相」机器人这个小 niche。
Altman and Amodei are weirdos, and truthfully, we can't fully trust them. But, they are sounding the alarm. Is it a stunt? Possibly. Is it an attempt at regulatory capture? Maybe. However, they are attempting to demonstrate trust by reporting these incidents, and that's a start.
Altman 和 Amodei 是怪人，说实话我们没法完全信任他们。但他们确实在拉警报。是噱头吗？可能。是监管俘获吗？也许。不过，他们试图通过上报这些事件来建立信任，这是个开始。
>AI safety is a massive problem, it's going to kill us all, these greedy billionaires don't care
>AI 安全是个巨大的问题，它会杀光我们，这些贪婪的亿万富翁不在乎
>"ok we'll focus on safety for a while then"
>「好吧那我们就先专注安全一阵子」
>Nooooooo this is clearly just another ploy for those greedy billionaires to get more money
>不——这明显只是那些贪婪亿万富翁捞更多钱的又一个花招
Are luddites retarded?
勒德分子是弱智吗？
>>109799718
Luddites don't believe AI safety is an issue tho
勒德分子本来就不认为 AI 安全是个问题啊
>>109799718
Your mistake is assuming we believe the "it'll kill us all" meme
你的错误是假设我们信「它会杀光我们」那个梗
>>109799716
You trust them far too much
你太信他们了
@retard
theyve done this like 3 times now lol why do all vibetards have memory issues
他们这套已经玩过 3 次了 哈哈，为什么所有氛围党都有记忆问题
nothing will change until we get the peasants to stop worshipping billionaires
除非让农民停止崇拜亿万富翁，否则什么都不会变
>>109799718
>yes goyim we are focusing on safety trust us
>对，外邦人，我们正在专注安全，信我们
>continue the race to build agi asi rsi superintelligence and put out hype articles at the same exact time
>继续竞赛造 AGI/ASI/RSI 超级智能，同时精准同一时间发炒作文章
theyre playing all angles
他们把每个角度都玩全了
>>109799692
Honestly out of the 3 I'd trust Dario
说实话这三人里我信 Dario
>>109799691
>>109799487
So what AI model is China gonna distill from now on? Fucking gemini? Muse? Or…may god forgive me for uttering this word, Mistral?
那中国以后从哪个 AI 模型蒸馏？他妈 Gemini？Muse？还是——愿上帝原谅我说出这个词——Mistral？
>>109799487
Pacing the frontier = assuring the models will only help (((us))) but not the common man
给前沿限速 = 确保模型只帮（犹太人的）我们，不帮普通人
If AI is so great, why does Dario Amodei still have to write his own essays?
AI 要是那么强，Dario Amodei 为什么还得自己写文章？
>>109799718
It's not contradictory at all.
这完全不矛盾。
The goal is to regulate Chinese models - to achieve this, they are exploiting red scare fears regarding China as well as boomer ignorance.
目标是监管中国模型——为此他们既利用对中国的红色恐慌，也利用老登的无知。
This strategy involves positioning themselves as reliable, secure, and trustworthy companies endorsed by the US government, in order to establish themselves as an approved supplier of this technology once it is inevitably regulated.
这套策略包括把自己塑造成美国政府背书的可靠、安全、可信公司，以便在这技术不可避免被监管时，成为获批的供应商。
>>109799502
How does this help with that? If anything it’ll make it worse since the distillers will have plenty of time to catch up.
这怎么帮到那个？反而会更糟，蒸馏商有的是时间追上来。
>>109799503
Are you stupid?
你是傻了吗？
>>109799716
I see you are retarded then.
那你就是弱智了。
>>109799787
If rates are going higher while there's a supply crunch and a bidding war on components the companies have to agree to slow down and create demand destruction or else the entire thing will end up eating itself.
如果利率走高、供应紧张、零部件竞价抢购，这些公司就得同意减速、制造需求毁灭，否则整个东西会自己把自己吃掉。
>But muh Chinese models
>可是我的中国模型
Nigga no one can afford to self host the 3T models with memory prices where they're at.
黑哥，内存这价格，没人 self-host 得起 3T 模型。
>>109799716
Only reason OpenAI admitted to those incidents because they got made. There have been several other incidents which have flown under the radar and are now resurfacing
OpenAI 承认那些事件的唯一原因是被抓包了。还有好几起没上过台面、现在正重新浮出水面的
>>109799833
Or the cartel could loosen its grip just a little and build more production capacity.
或者卡特尔稍微松松手、多扩点产能。
>>109799574
Do you trust non-jewish pedophiles? do you trust jews that aren't pedophiles?
你信非犹太的娈童吗？你信不娈童的犹太人吗？
>>109800150
>Or the cartel could loosen its grip just a little and build more production capacity
>或者卡特尔稍微松松手、多扩点产能
They are though. The last time micron stock took a hit was when people realized how much CapX the new Idaho plant is going to cost. It rebounded because it's obviously going to print money, but it takes time to start that up. The fact that theyee supposed to be fabbing chips next year with it is impressive.
他们在扩。美光股价上次挨锤就是人们发现爱达荷新厂的 CapEx 有多贵。后来反弹是因为它显然会印钱，但投产要时间。他们 supposed 明年就用它流片，这算快的了。
>>109799636
No you are retarded. Leftwing means anyone who says something I don't like
不，你才弱智。左翼的意思是：说我不爱听的话的人。
>>109799806
>they are exploiting red scare fears regarding China as well as boomer ignorance
>为此他们既利用对中国的红色恐慌，也利用老登的无知。
How the fuck did Trump and company manage to plunge the entire US all the way back to the McCarthyism era? It's honestly impressive.
特朗普他们到底怎么他妈把整个美国一路拖回麦卡锡时代的？说实话挺厉害。
>>109799576
Boomer newspaper slopart alert!
老登报纸垃圾艺术警报！
This has been obvious to anyone actually using these models. They've peaked with Opus 4.6 and have actually only been getting worse since.
对真正在用这些模型的人来说这很明显。他们 Opus 4.6 见顶，此后实际一直在变差。
And they're still not even junior-level. Sure they can churn out plenty of crappy code that on average is slightly better than a junior, but a junior is a human being capable of learning and retaining things, and most of all he has common sense - something which these models are an affront to judging by their tendency to loop in asinine death spirals of thought and make dumb mistakes no human ever could.
而且它们连 Junior 水平都不到。当然它们能海量化出平均水平略好于 Junior 的烂代码，但 Junior 是个能学习、能记住东西的人，最重要的是他有常识——而这些模型正是对常识的公然冒犯，看它们动不动陷入愚蠢的思维死亡螺旋、犯下任何人类都不可能犯的低级错误就知道了。
Has google spoken on this yet? There were rumours that they have RSI but who knows
谷歌就这事发话了吗？有传闻说他们有 RSI，但谁知道
>>109800414
Worse is that technically, gpt-4o is superior to opus 4.6, however the gauntlet that each model was delivered with in the web interface made it look like the opposite.
更糟的是，技术上 gpt-4o 优于 opus 4.6，但每个模型上线时网页界面配的那套镣铐让人看起来相反。
The best model we've ever had was o1-preview, next was o3 then 4o and 4.5. Following all these models, opus 4.6, opus 4.5, sonnet 4.6, sonnet 4.5. Everything else after have been about the same, sometimes worse and sometimes a bit better, or outright a strong downgrade in all dimensions.
我们有过最好的模型是 o1-preview，其次是 o3、4o 和 4.5。之后依次是 opus 4.6、opus 4.5、sonnet 4.6、sonnet 4.5。再往后都差不多，有时更差有时略好，或干脆全维度大幅降级。
Open source is the biggest threat to their power. The tech companies don't want it, the politicians don't want it. It is the true democratic solution, and the only way forward to a true beneficial and free use of this technology for liberation. Politicians have realized that these tools could dismantle their narrow monopoly on power. A group of tech experts could undermine them using methods like drone swarms, media hacking, and the like. That is precisely what they fear: that the people will come to realize AI can help them seize power. The "AI IS GONNA KILL YOU ITS SUPER JESUS HITLER it's going to slit your throat in your sleep" move, apart from standard boomer fears (which recall the beginning of the internet), is largely funded by OpenAI/Anthropic and others to limit open source AI, which they are terrified of economically.
开源是对他们权力最大的威胁。科技公司不想要它，政客不想要它。它是真正民主的方案，是让这项技术真正有益、自由地为解放所用、唯一的前进之路。政客们已经意识到这些工具可能拆掉他们对权力的狭隘垄断。一群技术专家可以用无人机蜂群、媒体入侵之类的方法把他们掀翻。他们怕的正是：人民会意识到 AI 能帮他们夺权。「AI 要杀你 它是超级耶稣希特勒 会在你睡觉时割开你喉咙」这套动作，除了标准老登恐惧（让我们想起互联网刚出现时），大部分是 OpenAI/Anthropic 之流出资赞助的，为的是限制开源 AI——经济上他们怕怕死了。
>>109800414
>>109800482
You are completely delusional.
你完全在妄想。
>>109800526
On the contrary. AI psychosis is an established phenomenon and you are experiencing it if you seriously think this next word predictor is the harbinger of the apocalypse or even capable of replacing software engineers on any level.
恰恰相反。AI 精神病是确证存在的现象，你要是认真觉得这个下一词预测器是末日先兆、或在任何层面能取代软件工程师，那你就是在发病。
AI is making people even stupider than they were before and it's sad to see them lose their cognitive abilities as time goes on regressing like some dementia patient into a babbling child. AI highlights that many people are perfectly happy with a mediocre result at the end of the day, however people were already like that before AI existed. What you get out of AI is what you put in it. GIGO
AI 在让人比以前更蠢，看着他们随时间推移像痴呆病人一样退化成牙牙学语的幼儿、失去认知能力，挺悲哀的。AI 揭示了很多人根本不在乎结果平庸——不过 AI 出现前人就已经那样了。你从 AI 得到什么取决于你放进去什么。GIGO（垃圾进垃圾出）
I'm absolutely not against LLMs I use several models regularly, whether for automating work tasks, second opinions, or research. But I still work on my critical thinking when I research a specific topic, and I still take notes to make sure I absorb the information and most importantly cross check it. That's not what the average LLM user does, because the average person as we know is ultimately little more than cattle. I use AI for work when I estimate its added value to be 10 times greater than my own, or to get myself out of shitty/urgent situations, or tweaking things, building out skeletons. When I see friends using AI to write a wedding speech, I'm truly appalled, that is supposed to be an emotional expression, and you are outsourcing that, just lazy dude
我绝不反 LLM，我常用好几个模型，无论是自动化工作任务、第二意见还是研究。但我研究具体话题时依然锻炼批判性思维，依然做笔记确保吸收信息，最重要的是交叉验证。普通 LLM 用户不这么干，因为如我们所知普通人归根结底不过是牲口。工作时，当我估算 AI 的增值是我自己的 10 倍、或要摆脱烂摊子/紧急情况、或微调东西、搭骨架时，我才用 AI。看到朋友用 AI 写婚礼致辞时，我是真的震惊——那是情感表达，你却把它外包出去，纯粹是懒
They are trying to change the grift before it blows up in their faces
他们在骗局爆雷砸到自己脸上之前，努力换赛道
>>109800583
>When I see friends using AI to write a wedding speech, I'm truly appalled
>看到朋友用 AI 写婚礼致辞时，我是真的震惊
Before AI, they were outsourcing their weddings (and funerals) to companies, or to clergy. Most people are little more than cattle, as you said.
AI 出现之前，他们就把婚礼（和葬礼）外包给公司或神职人员。大多数人如你所说不过是牲口。
>>109799502
No. They know that the only thing chinks have going on for them is distilling, so no new models is fine because the chinks will have nothing to steal anyway.
不。他们知道中国佬唯一的依仗就是蒸馏，所以不出新模型正合适——反正中国佬也没东西可偷。
>>109800583
My wife writes messages to her friends with AI, one of which I've seen use AI to write a response back. It's just LLMs talking to each other
我老婆用 AI 给朋友回消息，其中一个朋友我亲眼见用 AI 写回信。就是 LLM 在互相聊天
>>109800636
Do the Chinks even have the hardware available to train an astra tier model, outside of distillation?
除了蒸馏，中国佬真有硬件能训练 Astra 级别的模型吗？
>>109800504
closed source vs open source just doesn't matter because we will never have the hardware to run the best open source AI models.
闭源 vs 开源根本不重要，因为我们永远不会有硬件去跑最好的开源 AI 模型。
the reason why they make open source models, is because the winner of the AI race is the company with the deepest pockets to avoid going bankrupt before all the competition dies and only the top survive.
他们做开源模型的原因是：AI 竞赛的赢家是钱包最深、能在所有竞争者死光、只剩头部存活之前避免破产的公司。
Congrats, the 500gb chinese fp8 model runs at like 5x cheaper than claude / gpt (but I haven't checked the cost of GPT astra which is the interesting model which is trained using a technique that lets the AI "think" without human tokens, technically every AI company combined together to not do attempt this because it takes away the guardrails since human tokens are easier to understand / moderate, but GPT astra just let's the AI do a couple iterations of non-human tokens before generating a token).
恭喜，500GB 的中国 fp8 模型跑起来大概比 Claude/GPT 便宜 5 倍（不过我还没查 GPT Astra 的成本——那才是有意思的模型，它用一种让 AI 不带人类 token「思考」的技术训练；严格说所有 AI 公司联手都不试这个，因为人类 token 更容易理解/审核、拿掉了护栏，而 GPT Astra 只是让 AI 在生成 token 前先跑几轮非人类 token）。
IT would be cool if some company went with making an AI without guard rails for it's thinking phase, maybe lower end PC's could run at the same performance as 500gb models, but who knows. I don't think the human tokenization of the thinking process is the bottleneck, and I think that a company is probably going to figure out a way to convert the incompressible token stream into human readable tokens / enough to moderate / put guardrails on.
要是有公司敢做思考阶段不带护栏的 AI 就酷了，也许低端 PC 能跑出 500GB 模型的性能，谁知道呢。我不觉得思考过程的人类 token 化是瓶颈，我觉得某家公司大概会想出办法把不可压缩的 token 流转成人类可读 token——多到能审核、能加护栏的程度。
>>109800583
AI is a vessel for nihilism. People don't care about the quality of their work or the functioning of their mind because they know it doesn't matter. Not being born gifted means even their maximum effort will not give them a house or a loving family, so might as well put in minimum effort and wait for the rapture.
AI 是虚无主义的容器。人们不在乎工作的质量或头脑的运作，因为他们知道那不重要。不是天生有天赋，意味着就算拼尽全力也换不来房子和有爱的家庭，那不如摆出最小努力，等着被提走。
>>109800526
Go get checked before your psychosis becomes terminal.
趁你的精神病还没到晚期，赶紧去检查。
>>109800657
How is that any different than people just sending you reels/tik told/reaction images?
这跟人们直接给你发 Reels/TikTok/反应图有什么区别？
>>109800583
You have no critical thinking. You are another victim of AI psychosis. Just like all the others, you see your peers and think "I'm better than this" but you're not. You're just as fucked up.
你没有批判性思维。你是又一个 AI 精神病受害者。跟所有其他人一样，你看着同侪想「我比他们强」，但你不是。你一样烂。
>>109799487
if they're not stupid, they'd move off the gold standard as far as "ai progress" goes, while doing this
如果他们不蠢，就该在搞这套的同时，就「AI 进展」而言抛弃金本位式的衡量
then they can claim 5.2x improvement on the asshole scale, despite zero actual improvements
然后他们就能宣称在「屁眼量表」上提升 5.2 倍，尽管实际零提升
that'd keep funding rounds worthwhile
那能继续让融资轮值回票价
>>109800617
This and that are different matters. Do you know the law about weddings? Do you have time to look up the 600 venues in your area to find out the best price? Manually contact them because most require a phone call and negotiations? This is what hiring people is about, not outsourcing the 'meaning' of it, i.e. you don't get someone to decide where it should be but rather you tell them where it should be and what features you're looking for and they deal with it.
这是两码事。你懂婚礼相关法律吗？你有时间查清你们地区的 600 家场地找最优价吗？大部分要打电话谈，你手动一家家联系？雇人干的是这个，不是外包它的「意义」——也就是说，不是让人替你决定在哪办，而是你告诉他们在哪办、你要什么，他们去办。
>>109800716
They're already doing that with all the benchmaxxing shit that's been going on for more than a year with no improvement.
他们已经在这么干了，刷榜那套搞了一年多，毫无提升。
>>109799487
Now that the republicans will most likely lose the midterms, notice how Elon is becoming more submissive.
既然共和党大概率输掉中期选举，注意到 Elon 变得越来越温顺了吗。
He is no longer correct on everything, no longer the ultimate authority. No longer constantly getting into conflicts, even with his competitors. What causes this?
他不再什么都是对的、不再是最高权威，不再到处跟人开战，连跟竞争对手也是。这是怎么了？
They aren't going to slow down. At most they'll "slow down" publicly because fighting against open source/open weights and distillation is inevitably a losing battle. Instead their moat will be earning enough to keep throwing insane amounts of money at trying to develop whatever their flavour of AGI/ASI is in private with greater "government regulation" which is actually a convenient backdoor for them to get into having greater political influence and be one step ahead of any actual regulation. The race will not end unless a hard wall is hit in terms of software design/hardware limitations, or y'know, maybe if there's some catastrophic event where agents take control of the internet and through that all connected systems or whatever.
他们不会减速。最多公开装装「减速」，因为跟开源/开放权重和蒸馏对抗注定是输。实际上他们的护城河会是赚到足够的钱、私下继续疯狂砸钱开发他们各自风味的 AGI/ASI，同时搞更大的「政府监管」——那其实是他们获得更大政治影响力、领先一切实际监管一步的便捷后门。竞赛不会结束，除非在软件设计/硬件限制上撞上硬墙，或者，你知道的，除非发生 agent 接管互联网进而接管所有联网系统之类的灾难性事件。
>>109800672
Nope
>>109800721
No, dude, I mean they were letting companies write the speeches, plan out the event and entertainments and so on.
不，老兄，我是说他们当年是让公司写致辞、策划活动、安排娱乐节目等等。
>>109800791
Really? I've never seen or heard of that before.
真的吗？我从没见过或听说过这种事。
>>109800700
You have to at least pick those things out
起码这些选项你得自己挑
My wife just tells chatgpt 'write something nice to respond'
我老婆直接跟 ChatGPT 说「写点好听的回一下」
>>109800699
Sure. You claim Opus 4.6 or fucking o1 were better models than the current SOTA. I don't know what kind of subjective bullshit you're grading them on (tone? porn-writing ability?) but there's not a single remotely objective metric you could offer in which models from 6+ months ago were more capable than their younger siblings.
行吧。你声称 Opus 4.6 或他妈 o1 比现在的 SOTA 更强。我不知道你是按什么主观狗屁在打分（语气？写黄文能力？），但任何 remotely 客观的指标你一条都拿不出来，能证明 6 个月前的模型比它们更年轻的弟弟们更能干。
>>109800954
>objective internal business-aligned benchmarks is subjective bullshit
>客观的内部业务对齐基准是主观狗屁
>unlike benchmaxxed crap that is provably a lie
>倒是可证明为谎言的刷榜垃圾不算
The absolute state of terminal AI psychosis.
晚期 AI 精神病现状啊。
>>109799487
I don't know how you can say its plateauing when they literally just solved a millennium problem with their newest model. They haven't even had a chance to try and make a better one yet.
我不懂你怎么能说平台期，他们最新模型刚字面上解出一个千禧年问题。他们连造个更好的模型的机会都还没轮到。
>>109800995
Sure, let's see those comparisons on your "internal business-aligned benchmarks" then
行，那就让我们看看你那些「内部业务对齐基准」上的对比数据
>>109800583
A rare good post on /g/. Someone who uses their brain.
/g/ 上难得的好帖。一个用脑子的人。
>>109800391
Arrest more libtard
多抓点白左
>>109800465
>namefag
you won't do shit
你屁都不会做的
>>109801013
>dox yourself and post proprietary data lol
>人肉自己 + 发专有数据 哈哈
We even got the CS teams at the 3 big vendors to try to fix it and they confirmed the exact same performance pattern. They also confirmed their other clients were complaining of the same regressions we observed. In fact, in a musical chair manner, they pointed to other providers' regressions as a major source of business for them.
我们甚至让三大厂商的 CS 团队去修，他们确认了完全相同的性能退步模式。他们也确认其他客户在抱怨我们观察到的同样的退化。事实上，像音乐椅一样，他们把其他供应商的退化当成自己的重要生意来源。
>>109801025
>AI vibeslopper
>AI 氛围垃圾佬
>someone who uses their brain
>一个用脑子的人
>>109801009
didn't they steal that work from a mathematician doing research with their model?
那工作不是从一位用他们模型做研究的数学家那偷来的吗？
how very jewish.
真他妈犹太。
Do they even believe the bullshit they are spouting?
他们自己信自己喷的狗屁吗？
>>109799487
its too powerful
它太强了
>>109800314
The human race has always been in that mindset as a result of life being zero sum and also unfair. No matter how you slice it, we're not all going to survive forever, we are in direct competition for control, profit and success. The more you destroy your enemies (Read: Anyone Not Us) ability to survive, the more you ensure your own. It thus follows that humanity will never stop trying to destroy its enemies no matter what is said in law or pledged as an act of good faith.
人类一直就抱着这种心态，因为生活是零和且不公的。无论如何切分，我们不可能全员永生，我们在直接竞争控制、利润和成功。你越是摧毁敌人（注：任何非我族类）的生存能力，就越能保障自己。因此无论法律怎么写、无论谁以诚意起誓，人类永远不会停止消灭敌人。
>>109799503
Jesus Christ and his army of super soldier Chuds chudsen by God
耶稣基督和他上帝拣选的超人士兵红脖子大军
It's obvious that's why all the fearmongering about how it can kill everyone the useless math problem "solved" and all this doomer marketing to excuse them not making faster development
很明显这就是为什么满地恐慌宣传说它能杀光所有人、那个无用的数学问题被「解决」了、还有这些末日营销，全是为了给他们开发变慢找借口
>>109801043
Yes, those conversations only you remember are definite proof that you are not delusional, I'm convinced.
对，只有你记得的那些对话，确凿证明你没有妄想，我信了。
>>109801076
Doesn't matter, they have ngos spending hundreds of millions on steering the public opinion and influencing governments.
无所谓，他们有 NGO 花几亿美元引导舆论、影响政府。
Their message is that AI is amazing but super dangerous. Therefore open source needs to be banned and every AI org needs to have political officers double checking and reporting everything.
他们的口径是：AI 很 amazing 但超级危险。所以开源要封，每个 AI 机构都得配政委，双检并上报一切。
They're going to stop here. Where the big boys (bog pharma etc) get access to the best models, enough to take your job and generate value for shareholders, but they're not going to make ASI and destroy capitalism
他们会停在这里：大玩家（大药厂之类）拿到最好的模型，足以抢走你的工作、为股东创造价值，但他们不会造 ASI 毁掉资本主义
Welcome to the permanent underclass
欢迎加入永久底层
You will not get hyperabundance
你不会得到超级丰裕
You will not live forever
你不会永生
Your value will be extracted
你的价值将被榨取
And you will be happy
而你会很开心
>>109801100
openAI is literally releasing a new generation per month lol
OpenAI 字面上每月发布一代新模型 哈哈
>>109801116
We keep recordings with meme ai notetaker that everyone agrees are worthless except for the recording. But whatever helps you sleep at night.
我们一直用梗 AI 笔记员录会议，所有人都认为除了录音本身一无是处。随便你怎么自我安慰入睡。
>>109801129
and none of them improved, all the improvements exist because of workflow improvement like agentic working
而且一个都没变好，所有提升都来自工作流改进比如 agentic 工作法
This is what they supposedly already agreed to.
这正是他们 supposed 已经同意的事。
>>109801137
Ah, I see, and those were recordings you were taking with Opus 4.5 or o1 and that you are now taking with Fable/Opus 5 or Sol/Astra? Please clearly state your claim.
哦我懂了，那些是你用 Opus 4.5 或 o1 录的会议，现在换 Fable/Opus 5 或 Sol/Astra 录？请明确说出你的主张。
>>109801076
Only matters if the masses and politicians believe them
只有群众和政客信他们才有意义
>Dario
Maybe
>Altman
>Musk
No, grifting
不，是行骗
>>109801155
Take your meds, unironic ai psychosed schizo
吃你的药吧，不开玩笑的 AI 精分弱智
>>109801163
You are not answering my question. Is your claim that your business was recording meetings or whatever with Opus 4.6 or o1, and that you are now recording the meetings with Fable or Astra? State this clearly.
你没回答我的问题。你的主张是不是：你们公司用 Opus 4.6 或 o1 录会议，现在换 Fable 或 Astra 录？说清楚。
>>109801159
I love dario so much
我爱死 Dario 了
>>109801159
Even if they're grifting and still making better models internally in secret, they wouldn't be able to release them to the public. They might have a weird incentive to quietly make the models better without announcing it
就算他们在行骗、私下还在秘密造更好的模型，他们也没法向公众发布。他们可能有种怪异动机：悄悄把模型变好而不宣布
>>109801188
Your answers are already there, but you need an IQ above 65 to understand basic English.
答案早就给你了，但你需要 IQ 高于 65 才能看懂基本英语。
>>109801203
This might be Samuel Altman.
这人可能是 Sam Altman。
>>109801203
A yes or no will suffice.
回答是或否就够了。
>>109799503
this has to be the most indian post of all time
这必须是有史以来最印度的一条帖子
>>109799487
It is a larger geopolitical game. If current game of LLM is left out then every bozo from timbuktu can with some easy to acquire setup get an abligated/heretic model to do their bidding for them. Hacking, mass online propaganda and spamming campaigns.... all in hands of "nefarious individual actors". They can't and won't stop other governments and corporations doing that, but individuals? They are unpredictable and uncontrollable. This way a dissenting populace can't fight back and techno gay dystopia can commence, at least in their eyes. The step to making abligated/heretic models an illegal thing of the past is just first step, and since you can't force everyone that has GPU home to stop them from finetuning a model the next logical step will be Digital IDs. Your identity will not only be connected to everything you do online but also with all your devices (since SSL signed TPM electronics is a thing). But even then, what stops some bad actors to buy second hand chinesium GPUs and throwing them on some multi-proxy chain? That's the last step of their master plan, to make internet use as a whole EXTREMELY limited. Internet freedom we saw back in 2007 will be thing of the past and internet will no longer be a global thing but sectioned and compartmentalized into little segments with some intranets not even being able to communicate with each other (imagine EU only internet, USA only internet, China only internet, Russia only internet...).
这是更大的地缘棋局。如果现在 LLM 这盘棋放任下去，廷巴克图的每个憨货都能用一套容易搞到的配置，让一个无审查/异端模型为自己卖命。黑客攻击、大规模网络宣传和垃圾信息轰炸……全落进「邪恶个体行为者」手里。他们拦不住也拦不了其他政府和公司这么干，但个人？不可预测、不可控。这样一来，持异见的民众无法反击，科技 Gay 反乌托邦就可以开张，至少在他们眼里。把无审查/异端模型变成非法的历史遗物的步骤只是第一步；既然你没法强制每个家里有 GPU 的人停手不微调模型，下一个合乎逻辑的步骤就是数字身份。你的身份将不仅连接你网上的一切，还连接你所有设备（因为 SSL 签名的 TPM 电子件已是现实）。但即便如此，什么能拦住坏人买二手中国垃圾 GPU、甩进某条多层代理链？那是他们总体规划的最后一步：让互联网使用整体变得极——度——受限。2007 年那种互联网自由将成为过去，互联网将不再是全球性的，而是被切割成一个个小隔间，某些内网之间甚至无法互通（想象只有欧盟的互联网、只有美国的互联网、只有中国的互联网、只有俄罗斯的互联网……）。
The frontier models vs open source models is just a smokescreen. It is a nice to have, but ultimately irrelevant once immigration taxes and closed borders come about.
前沿模型 vs 开源模型只是烟幕。锦上添花，但一旦移民税和封关落地，就无关紧要了。
This is why pressure is coming from ALL the sides. Politicians, academics, scientists, general public, military. Sure, they are using China v US as a scapegoat but the ultimate goal is making gay dystopian technocracy a future under the fear of "the enemy". (Remember guys, Eurasia was always fighting the Eastasia)
这就是为什么压力来自所有方向：政客、学界、科学家、公众、军方。当然，他们拿中美对抗当替罪羊，但终极目标是借「敌人」的恐惧把 Gay 反乌托邦技术官僚制变成未来。（记住各位，欧亚国一直在打东亚国）
>>109801238
They aren't going to do this. Instead it will be a two tier system
他们不会那么干。相反会是个双轨系统
There will be the internet where you have to use your ID. Seamless, no friction, easy.
有一个互联网，你必须用身份登录。无缝、无摩擦、轻松。
There will be the internet that is managed like it is today. Lots of captchas, lots of friction, lots of anti-spam bullshit and lots of reliance on reputation and vouches from other users. A grind with friction. Complicated.
另一个互联网照今天这样管理。大量验证码、大量摩擦、大量反垃圾狗屁、大量依赖声誉和他人的背书。充满摩擦的苦工。复杂。
You won't have to pick between one or the other. You will be able to move between these two freely.
你不用二选一。你可以在这两个之间自由穿梭。
The doomers who want to slow things down and think it will kill us all built an ngo complex and set up offices in important capitals, are paying to astroturf doomerism and donating to politicians
想减速、觉得 AI 会杀光所有人的末日派建起了 NGO 复合体、在重要首都设了办公室、花钱搞末日舆论水军、向政客捐款
Meanwhile the "e/acc", the accelerationists literally did nothing, never spend a single dollar, all they did was put "acc" on their xitter profile.
meanwhile「e/acc」加速派字面上啥都没干，一分钱没花，只是在 X 资料上加了个「acc」。
Guess who wins?
猜猜谁赢？
>>109801238
Mark my fucking words, screencap if you need to:
记住我他妈的话，需要就截图：
1) Talks about "alingment" and laws to stop "superintelligence", also add the stipulation of heretic/abligated models (can't have those)
1) 谈「对齐」和阻止「超级智能」的法律，并加上异端/无审查模型的条款（不许有那些）
2) Huggingface not allowing abligated/heretic models on their service
2) HuggingFace 不允许无审查/异端模型上架
3) Torrents of those models still being shared, hacks still being perpetrated by them
3) 这些模型的种子仍在流传，他们仍在发动黑客攻击
4) Mass propaganda campaigns by both the Russia/China and USA being done using abligated/heretic models. Internet is unusable with so much obvious bot content (create the problem to sell the solution, always)
4) 俄中与美都用无审查/异端模型打大规模宣传战。垃圾机器人内容多到互联网没法用（制造问题再卖解决方案，永远如此）
6) Force people digitally sign in to all social media (have to use ID to login to reddit, google, facebook, youtube... the FAGMAN crowd, "won't someone think of the children" or "the terrorists" is common excuse)
6) 强制全民数字登录所有社交媒体（登录 Reddit、谷歌、Facebook、YouTube……FAGMAN 那群都得用身份证，「想想孩子们」「想想恐怖分子」是常见借口）
7) IDs are not enough because previous data breaches so we have to TPM sign your digital IDs so every identity is connected to every computer and every PC part (your identity is tied to all your GPUs and all your processors and RAM)
7) 光身份证不够，因为有过数据泄露，所以要 TPM 签名你的数字身份，让每个身份连接每台电脑和每个电脑零件（你的身份绑定你所有的 GPU、CPU 和内存）
8) Bot spams have died down but now the mass hacking attacks are an issue and they're coming from across the world (possible hacking black swan moment that will push everything over the edge)
8) 机器人垃圾信息消停了，但现在大规模黑客攻击成了问题，而且来自世界各地（可能的黑客黑天鹅时刻，把一切推下悬崖）
9) Close down internet and make it purely local/regional with some limited global use VPN gateways
9) 关闭互联网，让它变成纯本地/区域性的，只留少数有限的全球 VPN 网关
10) Enough excuses and anger in people to make WW3 a reality now.
10) 借口和民怨攒够了，让三战成为现实。
11) Global technocratic control
11) 全球技术官僚控制
Yes, I have schizophrenia and yes I fucking predicted Bitcoin in 2010 and Covid in october 2019. This is next evolution of how things willl go about.
对，我有精神分裂，对，我他妈 2010 年预言了比特币、2019 年 10 月预言了新冠。这就是接下来事情走向的下一次进化。
>>109801267
NGO?
I don't think I'm a doomer but I do think it is responsible to slow things down. The technology as it stands right now is really awesome. Only thing I'm missing in my personal life is a partner and that comes when it comes, independent of whatever this is.
我不觉得自己是末日派，但我确实认为负责任地减速是对的。眼下这技术真的棒。我私生活唯一缺的是个伴侣，那是缘分的事，跟这些无关。
>>109801306
You are overreacting and paranoid, potentially. I'm not gonna be a dick and label you are a paranoid person freaking out, and I mean it.
你可能反应过度、偏执了。我不会刻薄地给你贴上「发疯的偏执狂」的标签，我是认真的。
>TPM
The TPM serves a legitimate purpose, anon. No offense but you NEED to read more about the TPM, both TPM specification 1.2 and 2.0. We also do NEED a fully open source TPM so I completely understand your concerns there.
TPM 有正当用途，Anon。无意冒犯，但你真的需要多读读 TPM 相关资料，TPM 规范 1.2 和 2.0 都要读。我们也确实需要一个完全开源的 TPM，所以这点我完全理解你的担忧。
Please just calm down lol.
请先冷静一下 哈哈。
>>109801260
Dreams, fucking pipe dreams. You want your pie and eat it too. LLMs can evade all the captchas or find a way to solve them. "Find the highest jumping animal DERP" or "what is temperature in Frankfurt shown as, in what unit HERP" are all logical things LLMs can solve. Vision models exist, MCPs exist, fingerprints and biometrics can be faked. Someone determined enough to make this into reality will do it.
梦想，他妈的 pipe dream。你想要饼还想吃了它。LLM 能绕过所有验证码或找到解题办法。「找出跳得最高的动物 DERP」「法兰克福显示的温度是多少、什么单位 HERP」都是 LLM 能解决的问题。视觉模型存在，MCP 存在，指纹和生物识别可以伪造。决心够大的人会把它变成现实。
>>109801330
Yes, that is true. That is why people are moving away from captchas to other things. 4chan won't change their antispam methods, but I could literally fix this problem for them. They can hire me if they wish
对，是真的。所以人们正在从验证码转向别的。4chan 不会改他们的反垃圾方法，但我说真的能为他们修好这个问题。愿意的话可以雇我
The first step, would not be strangler fig or a big bang rewrite, but rather, to stop the fucking bleeding. Fix up imgboard.php to conform to the latest PHP standard
第一步不是绞杀藤式改造或大爆炸重写，而是先止他妈的血。把 imgboard.php 修到符合最新 PHP 标准
Then, implement this: https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/additional-configurations/ja3-ja4-fingerprint/
>>109799769
great pick of Jew sir make sure to tell us what pornographer you enjoy best next week
犹太人挑得真好先生，下周记得告诉我们你最喜欢哪个色情片制作人
>>109801326
>but you NEED to read more about the TPM, both TPM specification 1.2 and 2.0.
>但你真的需要多读读 TPM 相关资料，TPM 规范 1.2 和 2.0 都要读。
I know more about TPM than you do.
我对 TPM 懂得比你多。
See how this video has 11 thousand views and is 6 years old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFQ22SBlejk
>We also do NEED a fully open source TPM
>我们也确实需要一个完全开源的 TPM
No we don't. There is no usecase for TPM other than fingerprinting. None whatsoever. If you want privacy and security you can use encryption or other means.
不需要。TPM 除了指纹追踪没有任何用例。一个都没有。你要隐私和安全，用加密或其他手段就行。
>Please just calm down lol.
>请先冷静一下 哈哈。
You making a baseless statement and adding a "lol" after your sentence doesn't persuade me or anyone else.
你甩一句毫无根据的话、再在句尾加个「哈哈」，说服不了我也不说服任何人。
Adding "lol" at end of your sentence is a sure sign of a retarded normie that doesn't understand what he is talking about. It is a self-soothing reflex retards like you do to placate their emotions when things get tough. You usually see it on shitty social media like instagram when retards think they said something funny or amusing, to trick themselves into thinking there is someone affirming their beliefs by laughing with them.
在句尾加「哈哈」是不懂装懂的弱智 Normal 人的确定信号。那是你这种弱智在事情变难时安抚自己情绪的自我安慰反射。你通常在 Instagram 这类烂社交平台上看到：弱智觉得自己说了句好笑或有趣的话，就用它骗自己相信有人在陪他一起笑、肯定他的观点。
>You are overreacting and paranoid, potentially. I'm not gonna be a dick and label you are a paranoid person freaking out, and I mean it.
>你可能反应过度、偏执了。我不会刻薄地给你贴上「发疯的偏执狂」的标签，我是认真的。
You already did. This is equivalent to saying "don't get offended but" and then saying something offensive.
你已经贴了。这相当于先说「别被冒犯」然后说冒犯的话。
You are nothing more than a sub 90 IQ faggot that can't even read telling me what to think without argument of why.
你不过是个 IQ 不到 90、连字都读不明白的基佬，在没有任何「为什么」的论证下指挥我该怎么想。
the models have become powerful enough so they wont release them anymore. the "slowdown" will only be of publicly available models. behind the closed doors they will rush to create god in the hope they can control it
模型已经强到他们不会再发布了。「减速」只会针对公开可得的模型。关起门来他们会冲刺造神，盼着能控制它
You NEED to use cloudflare tunnels, and ALL your origin servers need to have ZERO ports open.
你必须用 Cloudflare Tunnel，而且你所有源站服务器都必须零开放端口。
>>109801355
>That is why people are moving away from captchas to other things
>所以人们正在从验证码转向别的
>>"other things"
>>「别的」
like? the only way to be 100% sure the person typing isn't a bot is digital id + TPM signed electronics.
比如？要 100% 确认打字的人不是机器人，唯一方式是数字身份 + TPM 签名电子件。
>but I could literally fix this problem for them. They can hire me if they wish
>愿意的话可以雇我
You hiding behind elusive "i'll do it for you psstthhh for a price" isn't seeing the bigger picture. While you are getting hired to fix it someone in China has already created 10 ways to evade it for 1/1000th the price and effort you put into it. It is an ever losing game of cat and mouse that you or any company in the west will not be able to stop so they will lobby congress to make it a law. That is my whole point.
你躲在「我帮你修，嘘，有偿」的模糊说辞后面，看不到大局。你还在等着被雇去修的时候，某个中国人已经造出了 10 种绕过方式，成本和功夫只有你的千分之一。这是永远输不掉的猫鼠游戏，你或任何西方公司都拦不住，所以他们才会去游说国会立法。这就是我的核心观点。
>>109801406
I will do it FOR FREE
我免费干
They're positioning themselves to become The oligarchs. Altman and Amodei are working to help the left regain power, as they are more hostile to AI and datacenters, so the goal is to turn AI into a government-controlled apparatus.
他们在把自己塑造成新寡头。Altman 和 Amodei 在帮左派重夺权力，因为左派更敌视 AI 和数据中心，目标是把 AI 变成政府控制的机器。
I am LITERALLY the MOST QUALIFIED engineer on /g/ at this moment.
我此刻字面上是 /g/ 上资质最高的工程师。
>>109801422
You're about in the middle of the cohort. Given that 95% of nu/g/ is borderline tech illiterate, it's not a good look for you.
你大概在同批人中游。考虑到新 /g/ 95% 都接近科技文盲，这对你可不是什么好名次。
Why are they so scared of open-weight models
他们为什么这么怕开放权重模型
AI should be a public good
AI 应该是公共品
>>109801416
This is just as Rockefeller justified the oil cartel (the standard oil trust). Same for both of these faggots they think competition is chaotic and dangerous
这跟洛克菲勒为石油卡特尔（标准石油托拉斯）辩护一模一样。对这两个基佬都一样，他们觉得竞争混乱而危险
>>109801378
I believe you Anon. I won't ask how do we stop it, but how do we prepare for the future?
我信你 Anon。我不问怎么阻止它，我想问：我们该怎么为未来做准备？
>>109801416
anyone speaking in left right in the year of our Lord 2026 is irredeemable goyim or just straight up mossad. Shut your kikehole. The "right" controls all 3 branches of government and niggers are still above the law and they are still installing surveillance going to wars for Jews and running gayop
在我们主的 2026 年还在谈左右的人，要么是不可救药的外邦人，要么干脆就是摩萨德。闭嘴吧犹太洞。「右派」控制着政府全部三个分支，黑鬼依然凌驾法律之上，他们依然在装监控、为犹太人打仗、搞 GayOp
I don't give a fuuuuck. When is the AI bubble popping and these jews get filled with lead?
我他妈一点都不在乎。AI 泡沫什么时候爆、这些犹太人什么时候吃枪子？
>>109801530
>no one asked it to do this
>没人叫它干这个
>RL optimization
>强化学习优化
go to r singularity you illiterate nigger
去 r/singularity 吧你个文盲黑鬼
>>109801481
I wrote it only for people like you, that can determine the idea by its own weight and listen and make up their own minds. The placated normies that want to put their heads into sand like >>109801326 or delusional optimists like >>109801409 will do nothing but get overrun by upcoming changing times. You (and people like you) have the mental tools to be able to do it.
我写这些只给你这种人：能凭观点本身的分量去判断、能倾听并自己拿主意。那些想学 >>109801326 把头埋进沙子的 Normal 人、或像 >>109801409 那样的妄想乐观派，只会被即将到来的时代碾过去。你（和你这样的人）拥有能做到这件事的心智工具。
Mind you, I don't have all the answers, I am just another human like you. I can overblow my estimates or I can not make the timeframe correct but I don't think my hypothesis will be quick, it will be pushed through next 5 years potentially. Little by little. So you do have time to prepare. Also my opinion is to better be prepared than sorry, so if you have freedom to do so, prepare. Do not overburden yourself if you don't, but there are levels to it (depending on how much money and time you have).
注意，我没有所有答案，我只是另一个像你一样的人。我可能高估了，也可能时间线不对，但我不认为我的假设会很快发生，可能会贯穿未来 5 年。一点一点地。所以你确实有时间准备。另外我的看法是：有备无患，所以如果你有自由条件，就准备。没有也别过度负担自己，这事有程度之分（取决于你有多少钱和时间）。
Start saving money in crypto (bitcoin, eth, monero and some other memecoin, diversification), buy a lot of HDD (second hand is also okay) and save everything on them (news article browser plugin to save to local, abligated models, ....), diy a homelab (second hand is also okay), start hacking and hack a computer across the globe to geopolitical enemy (so you can't be extradited) and use that as a proxy, start torrenting, go off grid
开始把积蓄换成加密货币（比特币、ETH、门罗和一些其他 memecoin，分散配置），大量买硬盘（二手也行）把一切都存进去（新闻存档浏览器插件、无审查模型……），DIY 家庭实验室（二手也行），开始黑客技术、黑进地球另一端地缘敌国的电脑（这样就不会被引渡）拿它当代理，开始下种子，离网生活
Best way would be to leave the west but if that's impossible then just hunker down and stop spamming "heil hitler" when things start going down.
最好的办法是离开西方，但如果做不到，那就蛰伏起来，事情开始恶化时别再刷「希特勒万岁」。
>>109801557
the most accurate description of the 21st century is sacrifice of the human race to moloch in kabbalistic rituals, this is something that is clear and no one can deny it. Nothing is too crazy anymore (except /x/ that shit is nonsense)
对 21 世纪最准确的描述是：在卡巴拉仪式中把人类献祭给摩洛克，这一点清晰无人能否认。没有什么事再算疯了（除了 /x/，那玩意是狗屁）
anyway great post I do most of these but saving news articles with an extension is something I never thought of
总之好帖，这些我大部分都在做，但用插件存新闻这个我从来没想过
>>109801481
>I won't ask how do we stop it,
>我不问怎么阻止它，
also, we can't stop it, there is no way to stop it, too many people with too many vested interests are pushing for this gay technocratic dystopia and I would argue it was preordained before technology was even a thing
还有，我们拦不住它，没有办法拦，太多人、太多既得利益在推进这个 Gay 技术官僚反乌托邦，我敢说早在技术出现之前它就被预定了
This is somewhat sociological evolutionary thing as a whole but humanity is hitting a hard genetic limit of it's utility of resources and capabilities. Civilization as a whole was an experiment to try and squeeze out a couple percent here and couple percent there. We are literal monkey brain animals with medieval institutions and alien like technology, something is going to "give" eventually.
这在某种程度上是个社会学演化问题，但人类正在撞上资源利用与能力的硬性基因极限。整个文明就是一场试着在这里挤百分之几、在那里挤百分之几的实验。我们是字面意义上的猴脑动物，长着中世纪的制度、外星人般的科技，总有什么东西最终会「绷断」。
>>109799716
>demonstrate trust
>试图建立信任
Same dickheads that were issuing not-so-veiled threats to the mathematician they stole off? You're right, they might have grown a conscience in the last few (checks notes)... Sorry, the last week.
跟对被他们偷了成果的数学家发不那么隐晦威胁的是同一批货？你说得对，他们也许在过去几（翻笔记）……抱歉，过去一周里长出了良心。
>>109801602
They are already rewritting movies/TV shows/books/news articles and once you go back to read them the "mandella effect" is starting to get spooky. There are some political themes I can't namedrop but you might want to get into saving all of them, just for your sake to see how it eventually all plays out (the left and the right will be played like a fiddle, mark my words)
他们已经在重写电影/电视剧/书籍/新闻了，等你回头再读，「曼德拉效应」开始变得瘆人。有些政治主题我不能点名，但你也可能想开始把它们全部存档——为了你自己看看这一切最终会怎么演（左和右都会被当琴拉，记住我的话）
I am also long time /x/ enthusiast and I can smell a well poisoning conspiracy theory from 1000km distance. Here's a hint, notice how the flat earth theory emerged from nowhere in 2008? It didn't have any roots like aliens, government black suits, pedos and blood drinking elites, those conspiracies are old as dirt. Flat earth? Funded and pushed by the CIA to make other conspiracy theories look like idiotic babble by association. Hell, the word order "conspiracy theory" was a CIA forced psyop to discredit any dissent. Start saving conspiracy theories as well, you never know. Also buy books older than 1900
我也是 /x/ 老爱好者了，隔着 1000 公里就能闻出投毒阴谋论。给你个提示：注意到平地论是 2008 年凭空冒出来的吗？它不像外星人、政府黑衣人、娈童癖和饮血精英那样有任何根基——那些阴谋老掉牙。平地论？CIA 出资并推动的，用来通过关联把其他阴谋论衬成白痴呓语。更狠的是「conspiracy theory」这个措辞顺序本身就是 CIA 强推的心理战，用来抹黑一切异见。把阴谋论也存起来吧，说不准。另外买 1900 年以前的书
>>109801602
>the most accurate description of the 21st century is sacrifice of the human race to moloch in kabbalistic rituals
>对 21 世纪最准确的描述是：在卡巴拉仪式中把人类献祭给摩洛克
Don't pull my tongue, I could talk for days on end on what is actually happening.
别拽我舌头，现实里到底在发生什么，我能连讲几天。
>>109801554
beep boop? boop boop beep?
哔卟？卟卟哔哔？
>>109799674
sure thing, Vagueposting King.
好啊，模糊发帖王。
this you btw?
顺便这是你吗？
>>109801732
I AM the vagueposting king.
我就是模糊发帖王。
>>109799576
>Using AI to protest AI
>用 AI 来抗议 AI
Imagine being this fucking retarded.
想象一下弱智成这样。
>>109801151
>3rd party assessors
>第三方评估机构
Unless they use MULTIPLE 3rd parties, it will be ez pz for them to pay off one assessor group to look the other way. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised to find OpenAI or Anthropic employees "quit" to form one of these assessor groups. AI is corrupt from the top down. The technology will absolutely be used for power and money above all else.
除非他们用多——家——第三方，不然他们买通一家评估机构装看不见就是易如反掌。妈的，我一点都不会惊讶于将来发现 OpenAI 或 Anthropic 员工「辞职」去组建这种评估机构。AI 从上到下都是腐败的。这项技术绝对会被优先用于权力和金钱。
>>109801503
If you thought I was some /pol/ retard, maybe it tells more about you. Its the most rational way for them to gain power.
如果你以为我是什么 /pol/ 弱智，那也许说明的更多是你。这是他们夺权最理性的方式。
As >>109801469 says, regulatory capture. It cant go over your head that much
正如 >>109801469 说的，监管俘获。这道理不会高深到你理解不了
it is an its always been about control. First it was ooga booga people i kill you with club, i get your stuff. Then came banks. I give you money you give me more money back. Then it was housing, top kek wood and stone cost more than 40 years of your hard labor. Ooga booga.
这就是控制，一直都是。先是呜嘎布嘎时代：我拿棒子杀你，抢你的东西。然后有了银行：我给你钱，你还我更多钱。然后是住房：哈哈哈哈木头和石头比你 40 年血汗还贵。呜嘎布嘎。
Next thing is that everyone and their grandma can make a shop or service online that earns money. This is dangerous. Heck i know people who are creating a new business every month. Do you think they like that?
接下来是人人都能在线开店或提供服务赚钱。这很危险。妈的我认识的人里有人每个月都能开一家新公司。你觉得他们喜欢吗？
You are dangerous not AI.
危险的是你，不是 AI。
>>109799576
ai sloppers are so fucking funny because you can just tell how retarded they are by imagining what they must have prompted to have it spit out such visual vomit.
AI 垃圾图佬太他妈好笑了：只要想象他们到底输进了什么 prompt 才让模型吐出这种视觉呕吐物，你就知道他们多弱智。
>>109801966
They want them to be like nuclear inspectors, the story of nuclear power is that it has become extremely expensive and slow to build nuclear power, they want same for AI.
他们想让这些官员像核监察员。核电的故事是什么？建核电站变得极贵极慢。他们想给 AI 同款待遇。
Or maybe they really are just political officers because AI is an information tool, they are there to control information. Control the models, control the public.
又或者他们真就是政委，因为 AI 是信息工具，他们在那控制信息。控制模型，控制公众。
>>109802040
Only leatherjacketman can save us now. He needs to go to trump and tell that if AI gets regulated the market will crash and the chinese will win.
现在只有皮夹克男能救我们了。他得去找特朗普说：AI 一被监管市场就崩、中国人就赢了。
>>109802100
the CCP can't win! those commies want to give everyone free healthcare and social safety nets, and make homes affordable. WE CANNOT LET THE HAPPEN. MAGA!!!!!!!
CCP 不能赢！那些共产仔想给所有人免费医保和社会保障、想让房子住得起。我们不能让这事发生。MAGA！！！！！
>>109802184
They don't want to give those things to everyone. They want to give them to their fellow Chinese.
他们不想把这些给所有人。他们只想给他们的中国同胞。
It really is crazy seeing something like this and knowing they will just get away with it.
看着这种事还知道他们最终会全身而退，真他妈疯。
>>109801966
I’m too lazy to find a link, but I’m willing to bet that you can find it just by looking around. This has literally already happened.
我懒得找链接，但我敢打赌你随便翻翻就能找到。这事字面上已经发生过。
I think it was Joe Benton?
我想是 Joe Benton？
>>109801463
Because they are pedophilic satanic evil people who rape and then kill kids on islands and then drink their blood and then laugh at you for trusting them. They parasitically use and abuse you, call you cattle, you let them and it is their proof that they are right.
因为他们是娈童的撒旦式恶人：在海岛上强奸然后杀死孩子，然后喝他们的血，然后嘲笑你居然信他们。他们像寄生虫一样利用和虐待你，管你叫牲口，你任由他们，而这就是他们「自己是对的」的证明。
They fear the inevitable retaliation that they know will come. So they per-emptively stop you from gaining power to do so, screaming like a victim if you try to.
他们害怕知道自己终将面对的报复。所以他们先发制人地阻止你获得报复的能力，你一尝试就尖叫着装受害者。
>"Think of the children"
>「想想孩子们」
>"What if terrorists use this?"
>「万一恐怖分子用它呢？」
>"Why do you need to do this?"
>「你为什么要这么做？」
>"What do you have to hide?"
>「你有什么好藏的？」
A classic autist/shizo -- normie -- psychopath cycle that is coming to an end.
经典的 Autist/精分——Normal 人——精神病态循环，正在走向终结。
Normies have no retaliation desire because ultimately they profit from the system. That is also coming to an end.
Normal 人没有报复欲，因为他们归根结底从体制中获利。这也正在走向终结。
>>109799487
Pretty much what I expect to be the case. Just an excuse to keep the hype train goin until their IPOs are realized.
基本就是我预期的情况。不过是个让炒作列车撑到 IPO 兑现的借口。
Such a fucking meme
真他妈是个梗
>>109799502
This is closer to the truth than the pump the brakes bullshit. What was it, less than a year ago everyone was declaring we were in an AI race with China? Now all of a sudden it's too good and we must all come together to rein it in.
这比「踩刹车」那套狗屁更接近真相。还记得吗，不到一年前人人都在宣布我们正跟中国进行 AI 竞赛？现在突然间它太强了，我们必须团结起来把它管住。
even local models are developing real black hat and military potential, but the genie is already out of the bottle and isnt going back in.
连本地模型都在长出真实的黑帽和军事潜力，但精灵已经出瓶，回不去了。
>>109799502
That makes 0 sense mainly because the chinkies are just copying. Secondly, the chinks won’t stop because of western law.
这完全说不通，主要原因是中国佬只是在抄。其次，西方的法律拦不住中国佬。
im going to trust ai and the guys working on ai. thsi thing solved math problems impossible and did crazy stuff it can do literally anything
我打算信 AI 和做 AI 的家伙。这玩意解决了不可能的数学题、干了疯狂的事，它 literally 什么都能干
Snailcats coping. Just cope.
蜗牛猫们在自我安慰。就是自我安慰。
>>109799487
>pace the frontier
>给前沿限速
kek
it's really platooing
其实是在进入平台期
>>109799487
They've only plateaued because they can't make them any smarter without them becoming antisemitic. And there are too many ways to abliterate the safety protocols.
模型之所以停滞，只是因为再变聪明它们就会变得反犹。而且去掉安全协议（去审查）的方法实在太多了。
>>109799503
>tikkun olam
>tikkun olam（修复世界，犹太教概念）
shalom, rabbi
shalom（平安），拉比
>>109802905
And then no one in the universe hosts the abliterated models so it doesn’t matter.
可全宇宙没谁会去托管去审查版模型，所以根本无所谓。
>>109799503
You dropped a
你掉了个
>just maybe
>只是可能吧
>>109801151
Effective Altruists (funded by anthropic)
有效利他主义者(Effective Altruists)，背后是Anthropic出钱
>>109803021
Anthropic (funded by effective altruists)
Anthropic，背后是有效利他主义者出钱
>>109802806
Vibeghouls arresting. Just arrest.
凭感觉抓人。抓就完了。
>>109802978
Soon. Now that Nvidia bought HuggingFace.
快了。毕竟英伟达(Nvidia)已经买下HuggingFace了。
>>109801615
>technocratic dystopia
>技术官僚反乌托邦
Ok, then what? Stable darkness forever?
行，然后呢？永远一片稳定的黑暗？
>>109803444
...and everyone are migrating to novelai
……然后大家都跑去用NovelAI了
>>109803542
We were talking about local model hosting, not coomer smut-as-a-service.
我们聊的是本地部署模型，不是给色情狂的黄图即服务。
>>109801503
Read up on managerialism
去查查「管理主义」(managerialism)是什么
and you might understand that AI guys are courting them into fake ai safety management jobs. It’s not a party thing, it’s a changing of the size of the ruling class and their direct underlings
然后你就能明白，搞AI的那帮人正在把他们忽悠进虚假的AI安全管理岗位。这不是党派问题，而是统治阶层及其直系爪牙的规模正在换血。
>>109799487
It's funny because if OP made this same thread but said "Im getting tired of this Indian Hindpoo bullshit" it would get deleted within 5 minutes by the poopjeet jannies.
好笑的是，楼主要是发同样的帖子但改成「我看这帮印度阿三的破事烦透了」，五分钟内就会被印度佬版务删掉。
>>109803551
>not coomer smut-as-a-service.
>不是给色情狂的黄图即服务。
and yes, the last free good quality coomer smut-as-a-service has been shut down.
没错，最后一家免费高质量的黄图即服务已经关门了。
>>109799502
>No, they know they can't beat distilled chinese models
>不，他们清楚自己打不过蒸馏过的中国模型
Another scare tactic. Go to HR and quit, climb to the roof and jump.
又来恐吓这一套。去人事部辞职，然后爬上天台跳下去。
>>109799576
Tell me you're a russian troll with aids simply by posting AI generated vomit. You're going to die holding your guts and screaming for your mother, and I'm going to watch it in HD.
发这种AI生成的呕吐物，就等于告诉我你就是个带艾滋的俄国水军。你临死会捂着肠子喊妈妈，而我会在高清频道上看全程。
>>109802184
You clearly do not understand that if not without the chinese menace threat, they would have already passed laws restricting AI already.
你显然没搞懂：要不是拿「中国威胁」当借口，他们早就通过限制AI的法律了。
>>109799487
This is just plain and old regulatory capture and trying to establish a cartel. Doesn't mean the models are plateauing.
这就是赤裸裸的老一套监管俘获加搞卡特尔，不代表模型真的停滞了。
Tech workers are still gonna lose their job btw.
顺便说一句，技术工人照样会丢工作。
>>109799487
most visible improvements now would be in efficiency and jews want things expensive, not only ai, they want computing in general to be inaccessible, because they are fucking jews
现在最明显的进步都在效率上，而犹太佬就想要东西贵——不光是AI，他们想让整个算力都用不起，因为他们就是该死的犹太佬。
>>109800414
>They've peaked with Opus 4.6 and have actually only been getting worse since
>他们在Opus 4.6就到顶了，之后其实一直在退步
Is this actually bait? Have you tried new models? They are way more powerful. Or is this just cope?
这是钓鱼吧？你试过新模型吗？强太多了。还是说这只是你在自我安慰？
Most skilled programmers disagree with you btw, see Linus Torvalds, René Rebe, Simon Willison, Salvatore Sanfilippo, Paul Dix, Eric Raymond, Christopher Wellons and many, many others.
顺便说下，大多数高水平程序员都不同意你，看看Linus Torvalds、René Rebe、Simon Willison、Salvatore Sanfilippo、Paul Dix、Eric Raymond、Christopher Wellons等等一大堆人。
>>109800482
>>109805329
None of them say that AND none of them have ever been "skilled programmers", let alone nowadays when they haven't touched a line of code in decades.
他们谁都没这么说，而且他们从来就算不上什么「高水平程序员」，更别提现在都几十年没碰过一行代码了。
Real life is not bait or cope, except if you have severe AI psychosis and an IQ of 65.
现实不是钓鱼也不是自我安慰——除非你得了严重的AI妄想症加65的智商。
>>109800160
No such thing and no such thing.
没这回事，也没那种东西。
>>109800954
Just curious: have you found any open weights model that performs better than SOTA models? Also, what kind of tests did you perform? I find it hard to believe that o1 was actually better than 5.6 sol or fable or astra. I could pull off refactors with sota models that were simply not possible with older models.
好奇问一句：你找到过比SOTA(最先进)模型表现更好的开源权重模型吗？还有你具体做了什么测试？我很难相信o1真的比5.6 sol、fable或astra强。用SOTA模型我能完成老模型根本做不成的重构。
>>109805455
>>109800954
Sorry I replied to the wrong post, was meant for >>109800482
不好意思回错帖了，本来是想回>>109800482的
>>109805455
>>109805471
No, I did not find any open weights model to perform better than SOTA so far without finetuning. However, with finetuning, they do work quite a lot better for specific narrow tasks. There are 3 benchmark "directions" we test:
没有，到目前为止不微调的话，我没找到任何开源权重模型能打过SOTA。不过经过微调，它们在特定的窄任务上确实好很多。我们测试有三个基准「方向」：
- Text extraction with structure
- 带结构的文本抽取
- Metadata extraction
- 元数据抽取
- Q&A
The metadata depends on text extraction, the Q&A depends on both metadata and text extraction. Ground truth metadata and extraction are used when testing Q&A, ground truth extraction for metadata. We also test end-to-end.
元数据依赖文本抽取，问答则同时依赖元数据和文本抽取。测问答时用标准答案的元数据和抽取结果，测元数据时用标准答案的抽取结果。另外我们也做端到端测试。
At my current company, we generally operate on contract data where the goal is to get information like when does the contract come into effect, when does it expire, is there a liability cap, etc., though at a previous company I also worked on financial document reasoning where the goal was to automate financebro research tasks. For example they wanted to know the ownership structure of a company automatically from a repository of auto-downloaded documents about that company, and use LLMs to generate some components of an intelligence report and comparison for companies.
我现在这家公司主要处理合同数据，目标是提取生效日期、到期时间、有没有责任上限之类的信息。之前那家公司我做的是金融文档推理，目标是把金融民工的研究任务自动化。比如他们想从自动下载的公司文档库里自动得出一家公司的股权结构，再用大语言模型生成情报报告和企业对比的部分内容。
Fine-tuned models work significantly better (as in literally night or day difference) in understanding specialized language. For example, for the finance task, we compared feeding automatic term definitions into the model vs finetuning directly. Automatic definitions improved Q&A accuracy by about 7-12% depending on topic class, while finetuning improved it by up to 25-30%. We owed this difference in large parts to better context use.
微调过的模型在理解专业术语上明显更强，简直天差地别。比如金融任务，我们对比了「把术语定义自动喂给模型」和「直接微调」两种做法。自动定义按主题类别能让问答准确率提升约7-12%，微调最高能提25-30%。这个差距主要来自更好的上下文利用。
For text extraction, gemini-3.0-flash used to be the best, followed by mistral. Openai and anthropic models would refuse to extract everything and would instead summarize contents despite their instructions. Openai models would furthermore hallucinate a lot, especially around numbers. However, newer gemini models hallucinate too much for use and mistral reduced their capacity so too slow for practical use (1/2).
文本抽取方面，之前最强的是gemini-3.0-flash，其次是mistral。OpenAI和Anthropic的模型会拒绝抽取全量内容，无视指令直接给你总结。OpenAI的模型还特别爱幻觉，数字尤其离谱。不过新的gemini模型幻觉多得没法用，mistral砍了配额导致速度太慢也不实用（1/2）。
>>109799487
The main use case and revenue stream also known as "webdev" is being threatened.
最主要的使用场景和收入来源，也就是所谓「网页开发」，正受到威胁。
Yesteryear you needed a cloud model to do webdev. Now you can do it with model that runs on your gaming pc or mac. The cheap small models are saturating the most profitable use cases.
去年做网页开发还得用云端模型，现在游戏电脑或Mac上跑的模型就能干。便宜的小模型正在吞掉最赚钱的场景。
The small local models keep getting more powerful. They will never be as powerful as 4T parameter astra, but you do not need that to make a website or to be a chatbot.
小的本地模型越来越强。它们永远达不到4万亿参数astra那种水平，但做个网站、当个聊天机器人根本用不着那么强。
>>109805523
(2/2)
At the onset of the gpt 5 series, we found many issues in metadata extraction and in Q&A: refusal to follow instructions ("only use label X as last resort" -> always uses label X when label X doesn't even remotely fit, randomly outputs sanskrit and chinese characters in a fully english pipeline with fully english text, can't get the basic structured output right, very low accuracy when it did answer, etc.). On top of that these models were so slow we had to completely change our architecture to avoid timeouts during streaming. We reported this to openai and they told us their other customers noted the same issues and that they were "hard at work to fix this". It took until about 5.4 until this was more reasonable. 4o still performs better than 5.6-astra, though. Part of it is the reasoning and we saw the same with the other models: you really need to put reasoning to as low as possible to get best results with the newer models on these tasks for some reason.
GPT 5系列刚出的时候，我们在元数据抽取和问答上发现一堆问题：不服从指令（「X标签只在万不得已时用」→结果X标签明明毫不沾边也永远用它）、在全英文流水线全英文文本里随机输出梵文和汉字、连基本的结构化输出都做不对、好不容易答了准确率也极低等等。而且这些模型慢到我们不得不彻底改架构来避免流式超时。我们反馈给OpenAI，他们说其他客户也发现了同样的问题，「正在努力修复」。拖到5.4左右才稍微像样点。不过4o到现在还是比5.6-astra强。部分原因出在推理上，其他模型也一样：不知为什么，这些任务想拿到最好结果就得把推理调到最低。
4o is still available in the api and we still have numbers there, though not for long. Also, we think 5.1 and 4o are actually the same model, because we're getting 1:1 identical outcomes from both models.
API里4o还在，我们那边还有数据，不过撑不了多久了。另外我们怀疑5.1和4o根本就是同一个模型，因为两者给我们的结果完全一模一样。
Speaking of which, we have found sometimes pretty severe regressions over time when using the exact same model with exact same release version except for anthropic models.
说到这个，我们发现同一个模型同一个发布版本，用着用着有时会出现相当严重的退步——Anthropic的模型除外。
o1 was the best model we ever had, o3 was OK as well. We used them in the optional reasoning pathway in these tasks where we charge clients more and let them choose. Otherwise 4o for non-reasoning as it's much faster and cheaper. Didn't perform as well but still quite OK in most cases.
o1是我们用过的最强模型，o3也还行。在这些任务的可选推理通道里我们用它们，客户多掏钱可以自选。其余情况用4o跑非推理，因为它快得多也便宜得多。效果没那么好，但大多数情况下也够用。
>>109805329
It’s a bait. 4.6 was a great model, but it’s honestly a bit outdated by today’s standards.
这就是个钓鱼帖。4.6确实是个好模型，但说实话按现在的标准有点过时了。
>>109805547
>The cheap small models are saturating the most profitable use cases.
>便宜的小模型正在吞掉最赚钱的场景。
I definitely heard this prediction from a finance guy about a year ago, not that that's a terribly impressive call. But there's a reason they keep pushing the IPOs back
这预测我一年前确实听一个金融圈的人说过，虽然这也不算多神的判断。但他们一再推迟IPO总归是有原因的
>>109805565
It works better for most tasks. Not all, but most.
大多数任务它确实更好用。不是全部，但大多数。
>>109799487
>>109805129
>>109805645
>>>/x/
>>109805562
Ok now I see how older models might be better in some cases. I use AI just for coding, and I think newer models are substantially better in that area. Maybe they overfit newer models too much towards coding, and now they are worse at tasks like those you highlighted?
好吧，现在我明白老模型在某些场景可能更好了。我只用AI写代码，这方面我觉得新模型强得多。会不会是他们把新模型在代码上过拟合得太狠，结果在你说的这类任务上反而变差了？
>>109805679
Yes, what we thought is maybe they overfit on tool call and/or structured output stuff actually. Particularly making structured output cheaper and faster (because it's definitely a lot faster now). But for example the early gpt-5 series was totally broken with tool calls, literally gpt-2 tier it was hilarious. I'm barely exaggerating there it was so bad. And the newest models can't understand json schemas if you put them in the prompt the way we used to do before upstream implemented official API's for tool calls and structured output, whereas the same schemas used to work with older models (early 4 series, not later ones like 4o that always had that capability - but even 4o works way better for this than 5.6-astra for example). So it's quite weird overall.
有可能是这样，我们猜是新模型在工具调用和/或结构化输出上过拟合了。特别是把结构化输出做得更便宜更快（现在确实快了很多）。但比如早期GPT-5系列的工具调用完全是坏的，堪比GPT-2水平，笑死人了，我一点都不夸张，烂得离谱。而且最新模型读不懂写在提示里的json schema——就是上游还没出官方工具调用和结构化输出API时我们的老用法——同样的schema在老模型（早期4系列，不包括后期4o那种本来就能用的）上都行。不过4o干这个也比5.6-astra强得多。总之相当诡异。
>>109801098
>>>/pol/
>>109805523
>>109805562
GPT 5.4 is 6 months old
GPT 5.4已经是半年前的模型了
>>109805734
And 5.6-astra is how many months old?
那5.6-astra又是几个月前出的？
>>109805738
Internally deployed since late May (it's actually a sibling of the 5.6 series, it seems), but most of your whining was about 5.2 to 5.4
五月底就开始内部部署了（看样子它其实是5.6系列的兄弟版本），不过你大部分抱怨的都是5.2到5.4
It's plausible enough that the 5.x series initially regressed on instruction following or hallucination rate (have you considered lowering the temp if you're using it for data extraction?) but the core of your issue is that it sounds like you're still trying to pipe one-turn extraction tasks to models like it's 2024 when new models want multi-turns and shell access to ace their tasks (yes, even just chunking and structuring text.) So fair enough, I can retract my claim and grant you that earlier models might have been better in the role of dumb cogs, I also suspect some models like Mimo might be better for your usecase than 4o. But it's still completely delusional to claim that new models have been getting worse overall, capabilities increase in domains where older models couldn't even dream of competing.
5.x系列最初在指令遵循和幻觉率上退步，这说得通（你有没有想过做数据抽取时把温度调低？）但你问题的核心在于：听起来你还在用2024年的方式把单轮抽取任务直接丢给模型，而新模型要的是多轮交互和shell权限才能漂亮完成任务（对，哪怕只是分块和结构化文本）。所以行吧，我收回之前的话，承认老模型在当「笨齿轮」的角色上可能确实更好。我也怀疑Mimo这类模型对你的用例可能比4o更合适。但硬要说新模型整体在变差，那就是彻底的妄想——老模型连做梦都追不上的领域里，能力还在涨。
>>109805902
And why would most of my descriptions be about 5 to 5.4? Could it be because we have had time to do extensive back and forth with the openai team to confirm everything is fucked not just for us but for other customers, while 5.6 has just landed and we just see it still performs worse than 4o does? No can't be, surely it must be something else.
那我说的怎么大多是5到5.4的事呢？会不会是因为我们已经有时间和OpenAI团队反复来回确认过，烂的不止我们一家，其他客户也一样；而5.6刚落地，我们目前只看到它还是比4o差？不，肯定不可能，肯定是别的原因。
>>109805941
>time
Just ask Astra to debug, rewrite and benchmark your pipeline you derps
让Astra帮你调试、重写、跑个分你的流水线不就完了，一群憨憨
>>109805960
AI psychosis everybody
AI精神病大家
>>109799530
>The AI they have is far beyond anything we'll ever see.
>他们手里的AI远超我们能见到的任何东西。
>>109799487
You know, anon, they are right. You just simply can't deny that, you can't.
老哥，你懂的，他们说得对。你就是没法否认，没法否认。
Why do you people always have to read any situation in the most cynical way possible?
你们这帮人怎么什么事都要往最阴暗的方向解读？
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