多动症技术
What kind of tech or software can you best use to mitigate ADHD and stay a functional adult? I just missed out on the military parade because I forgot to write down the time and date for the event, because I forgot to find a program for my phone or desktop to allow me to set calendar dates or reminders.
您最能使用哪种技术或软件来减轻注意力缺陷多动症并保持正常的成年人？我刚刚错过了阅兵，因为我忘记写下该活动的时间和日期，因为我忘记为我的手机或台式机找到一个允许我设置日历日期或提醒的程序。
>>109562011
>ADHD
just say internet addiction
就说网络成瘾
A noose.
绞索。
>>109562015
>internet addiction is when you can't remember what you said 5 seconds ago and have to go outside running or biking for 5 hours every day to be able to sit down at a desk and work on something for an hour
>网络成瘾是指你记不起5秒钟前说过的话，每天必须出去跑步或骑自行车5个小时才能坐在办公桌前做一个小时的事情
Adhd is just mental retardation but with a nicer name
ADHD只是智力低下，但有一个更好听的名字
>>109562015
>>109562097
most people who don't have it don't understand what it is. i was diagnosed with it in the '90s well before internet addiction was a thing. not op, either
大多数没有它的人不明白它是什么。我在 90 年代被诊断出患有网络成瘾，当时网络成瘾还没有出现。也不是op
Smart watch.
智能手表。
Mind you, this is mostly just in regards to repeated daily or weekly functions. Set it up once and forget about it, then you have a little buzzing reminder on your wrist at all points in time. Works for events too if youre on top of things and set the alarm/reminder right away. If you can't remember to keep the damn thing charged, set a reminder for that too.
请注意，这主要只是针对每日或每周重复的功能。设置一次后就可以忘记它，然后您的手腕上就会在任何时间点都有一个小小的嗡嗡声提醒。如果您掌控一切并立即设置闹钟/提醒，也适用于活动。如果你不记得给这该死的东西充电，也可以设置一个提醒。
>>109562097
This is incorrect, but it's more convenient to explain it like this to people, so I need you to continue being wrong for my benefit.
这是不正确的，但是这样向人们解释更方便，所以我需要你为了我的利益而继续错下去。
>>109562011
Vyvanse is technology
Vyvanse 是技术
>>109562063
yeah that's what they all say to feel good about needing meth
是的，他们都这么说，因为需要冰毒而感觉良好
>>109562011
Find a good reminders app for your phone
为您的手机找到一个好的提醒应用程序
Also my Apple Watch with named timers was a game-changer
我的带有命名定时器的 Apple Watch 也改变了游戏规则
>>109562097
Mental retardation wouldn't let you think about creating a thread to find a technological solution to the problem.
智力迟钝不会让你考虑创建一个线程来找到问题的技术解决方案。
>>109562376
undiagnosed functioning here.
未确诊的功能在这里。
have all of these and more.
拥有所有这些以及更多。
Will be working in network closet. Holding screwdriver. unscrew thing. Pickup screws, put down driver. immediately lose object permanence on driver. its gone. awkwardly spin around for 5 minutes looking. find it. realize I put down the screws while looking. repeat ad nauseum. this just happened to me at work yesterday, in front of another coworker. its usually pretty embaressing, but I just roll with it. helps I'm good at my job.
将在网络柜中工作。拿着螺丝刀。拧开东西。拿起螺丝，放下螺丝刀。立即失去对驱动程序的对象持久性。它不见了。尴尬地转了5分钟看。找到它。意识到我在看的时候放下了螺丝。重复令人作呕。这件事昨天发生在我的工作中，当着另一位同事的面。这通常很尴尬，但我只是顺其自然。帮助我擅长我的工作。
I honestly have just had to shape life around me. its worked for the most part. but yeah my brain is a constant mess, but I also refuse to take drugs outside of my caffiene addiction, probably the only thing that keeps me sane, but I can only take it in the early morning or else it really fucks with me
老实说，我必须塑造我周围的生活。它在很大程度上起作用了。但是，是的，我的大脑总是一团糟，但我也拒绝在咖啡因成瘾之外服用药物，这可能是唯一让我保持理智的东西，但我只能在清晨服用，否则我真的很烦
personally reminder apps have never worked for me, and instead I just use schizo notes. I find the best systems are systems that match my discordant chaotic brain. it helps me 'remember' by being just as scattered and chaotic, so it 'makes sense' to my head. so if I have a dozen unnamed notes in note+++ or my phone notes app or on margins in notebooks, I find things faster and easier than if I were to create a neat organized folder structure, which to me is insane. If I do the latter, I just forget about it, and then its a ton of sunk time and cost. but if I do the former, my brain will be like 'oh duh we have that random note from 6 weeks ago inbetween the two other random notes about unrelated shit' and I can go look for it.
个人提醒应用程序对我来说从来没有用过，相反，我只是使用精神分裂笔记。我发现最好的系统是与我不和谐、混乱的大脑相匹配的系统。它通过同样分散和混乱来帮助我“记住”，所以它对我来说“有意义”。因此，如果我在 note+++ 或手机笔记应用程序中或笔记本的页边空白处有十几个未命名的笔记，我会发现事情比创建一个整齐有序的文件夹结构更快、更容易，这对我来说是疯狂的。如果我选择后者，我就会忘记它，然后就会浪费大量的时间和成本。但如果我选择前者，我的大脑就会想‘噢，我们在另外两个关于不相关的垃圾的随机笔记之间有六周前的随机笔记’，我可以去找它。
>>109562011
ADHD is not real. You are just brainrotted and have victim mentality.
多动症不是真的。你只是脑残，有受害者心态。
>>109562136
still looks defective
看起来仍然有缺陷
>>109562442
i wish adhd was real...
我希望多动症是真的...
>>109562535
i don't think anybody is claiming adhd is not a mental defect
我认为没有人声称多动症不是一种精神缺陷
>>109562442
i know it's easy to assume it's just kids addicted to tiktok or whatever, but i was diagnosed with it around 1996, the worse source of brainrot available back then was watching too much tv, and i didn't watch any more than anyone else did back then. i didn't get internet access until several years later, didn't even have a computer at home yet.
我知道很容易认为这只是孩子沉迷于抖音或其他什么东西，但我在 1996 年左右被诊断出患有这种疾病，当时最严重的脑腐病来源是看太多电视，而且当时我看电视的时间并不比其他人多。几年后我才上网，家里还没有电脑。
>>109562011
>>109562127
>>109562136
fMRI has been debunked, by the way.
顺便说一下，功能磁共振成像已经被揭穿了。
>>109562102
You were diagnosed as being a little johnny meth head by a Jewish doctor?
你被犹太医生诊断为小约翰尼冰毒头？
Wow!
>>109562632
i honestly don't know what this means
老实说我不知道这意味着什么
>>109562636
So not just a meth head, but unable to read too. Impressive.
所以不仅是冰毒头，而且也无法阅读。感人的。
>>109562632
Sir George Frederic Still wasn't Jewish.
乔治·弗雷德里克·斯蒂尔爵士不是犹太人。
Why are all nazis such anti-intellecutal retards?
为什么所有的纳粹分子都是反智的弱智？
ADHD might be the funniest fake illness of the century.
多动症可能是本世纪最有趣的假疾病。
>tfw "ADHD" gives Americans unlimited access to pharmaceutical grade meth
>tfw“多动症”让美国人无限制地获得药品级冰毒
they won't even give me ritalin here
他们甚至不给我利他林
>>109562653
yeah, it's always funny seeing midwits crying fake about something they know absolutely nothing about
是的，看到助产士为他们一无所知的事情假装哭泣总是很有趣
>>109562643
i said i don't know what it meant, not that i couldn't read it. maybe it means something to an american, but i don't know what "a little johnny" means, how meth head relates to adhd, and jewish doctors, well that's just intentionally being vague.
我说我不知道这是什么意思，不是我看不懂。也许这对美国人来说意味着什么，但我不知道“小强尼”是什么意思，冰毒头与多动症有何关系，还有犹太医生，好吧，这只是故意含糊其辞。
>>109562011
ADHD is a variety of Autism. The only real solution is eating lots of prescription speed and eliminating 90% of human life. Also those stupid dog breeds that rich old ladies and gay people carry around everywhere, they have to go too.
ADHD 是自闭症的一种。唯一真正的解决办法是按处方快速进食并消除 90% 的人类生命。还有那些富有的老太太和同性恋者到处携带的愚蠢狗品种，它们也必须消失。
>>109562209
>>109562659
I was diagnosed with it and SPD/aspergers in America but was never given any "medication" for it because my mom said no. ADHD Is very real though and it is a debilitating sickness bordering on mental retardation as far as letting you be a functioning independent adult goes. You should read some books on the subject.
我在美国被诊断出患有这种疾病和 SPD/阿斯伯格症，但从未给予任何“药物”，因为我妈妈拒绝了。然而，多动症是非常真实的，就让你成为一个独立的成年人而言，它是一种使人衰弱的疾病，近乎智力迟钝。您应该阅读一些有关该主题的书籍。
Dude adhd LMAO! 420 get high hahaha
老兄adhd LMAO！ 420 嗨哈哈哈
>>109562155
>Smart watch
>智能手表
/g/ users will inevitably cry about spyware despite already being surveilled 24/7 by their phone and online accounts but smart watches can be genuinely useful for health due to functions like this
/g/ 用户不可避免地会因间谍软件而哭泣，尽管他们的手机和在线帐户已经受到 24/7 的监控，但智能手表由于具有这样的功能，对健康确实有用
>>109562715
So will the inevitable brain implant and permanent location tracker.
不可避免的大脑植入和永久位置跟踪器也是如此。
>>109562659
they gave me (>>109562577) ritalin. i hated it. calmed me down, but a bit too much. ruins your appetite, initially quite embarrassing as well because i was initially on the regular non-SR (slow release) version so i was pulled out of class to take a second dose half way through the day for some time.
他们给了我（>>109562577）利他林。我讨厌它。让我平静下来，但有点太多了。破坏了你的食欲，一开始也很尴尬，因为我最初服用的是常规的非 SR（缓慢释放）版本，所以我被拉出课堂，在一天中途服用第二剂一段时间。
the effects i think were permanent, i was very different after being put on ritalin but i haven't taken it since 2000. i remember finding a pack of it a couple years after i stopped taking it and my mother quickly taking it to dispose of. it wasn't until much later that i found out it was something people abused. to this day i can't imagine wanting to abuse it, because all i know about it is how much i hated taking it. i had absolutely no desire to take it of my own volition
我认为效果是永久性的，服用利他林后我的情况发生了很大变化，但自 2000 年以来我就没有再服用过它。我记得在我停止服用它几年后发现了一包它，我母亲很快就把它扔掉了。直到很久以后我才发现这是人们滥用的东西。直到今天，我无法想象想要滥用它，因为我所知道的就是我有多么讨厌服用它。我绝对不想自愿接受
>>109562706
you can honestly fuck right off
你可以诚实地马上操
Did you guys know that the ADHD meds have a totally different effect on people with ADHD and people without it?
你们知道多动症药物对患有多动症的人和没有多动症的人有完全不同的影响吗？
When people who don't have ADHD take the meds, they experience amphetamine effects.
当没有多动症的人服用药物时，他们会受到安非他明的影响。
When people with ADHD take the same meds, it just makes them normal.
当多动症患者服用相同的药物时，他们就会变得正常。
>>109562011
Does faulty brain chemistry drive disordered thinking, or do bad thought patterns alter the brain?
有缺陷的大脑化学物质是否会导致思维混乱，或者不良的思维模式是否会改变大脑？
>>109562705
>aspergers in America but was never given any "medication" for it
>美国的阿斯伯格症患者，但从未给予任何“药物”
There is no medication against autism
没有治疗自闭症的药物
>>109562742
for a long time i only knew what ritalin did from my own experience. hearing that it's a /stimulant/ was quite the shock for me, because that was absolutely not my experience with it
很长一段时间我只根据自己的经验知道利他林的作用。听说它是一种/兴奋剂/对我来说非常震惊，因为这绝对不是我的经验
>>109562742
That's why everyone who had undiagnosed ADHD in the 90s and took speed actually calmed down instead of partying for 20 hours straight
这就是为什么每个在90年代患有未确诊的多动症并采取速度的人实际上都冷静下来，而不是连续20个小时狂欢
That's common knowledge
这是常识
>>109562442
>tfw I have to share the board with these apes
>tfw 我必须与这些猿类共享董事会
There should be a captcha challenge asking if ADHD is real. If you answer yes you get directed to the real board. If you answer no you get directed to the monkey container board. Everyone would be happier since monkeys can get some echo chamber dopamine hits there.
应该有一个验证码挑战，询问 ADHD 是否真实。如果您回答“是”，您将被引导至真正的棋盘。如果您回答“否”，您将被引导至猴子集装箱板。每个人都会更高兴，因为猴子可以在那里得到一些回声室多巴胺。
>>109562770
You've never experienced the 90s, or a party
你从未经历过 90 年代或派对
>>109562772
Nah. It's simply not real.
不。这根本不是真的。
>>109562772
>ADHD is real board
>多动症是真正的板
That exists. It's called reddit.
那是存在的。它的名字叫reddit。
easiest way to trigger pathetic self pitying zoomers: say ADHD isnt real, which is a fact.
触发可悲的自怜变焦的最简单方法：说多动症不是真的，这是事实。
>erm im not a pathetic internet addict i have a DISEASE and you must respect how AUTHENTIC this disease is that is diagnosed without measurement of any kind
>呃，我不是一个可悲的网络成瘾者，我患有一种疾病，你必须尊重这种疾病的真实性，这种疾病是在没有任何测量的情况下诊断出来的
>WHAT? IT IS REAL!!!!! SHUT UPPPP!!!!!!!!
yeah youre a loser and if theres anything wrong with your brain its the predisposition to being a junkie and just plain old stupid. is being plain old stupid a "disease"?
是的，你是一个失败者，如果你的大脑有什么问题，那就是有成为瘾君子的倾向，而且只是普通的老傻瓜。老蠢是一种“病”吗？
>>109562788
How much research have you done to reach such a confident expert opinion?
您做了多少研究才能得出如此自信的专家意见？
Watched an episode of South Park?
看过南方公园的一集吗？
>>109562809
t. entitled normie loser who squandered everything handed to him, jealous when he sees the slightest support given to people who actually need it
t。有资格的规范失败者，挥霍了交给他的一切，当他看到真正需要帮助的人得到最轻微的支持时，他会嫉妒
>>109562772
at this point i don't think it's possible to convince someone with no neurological disorders that neurological disorders are a real thing. i haven't thought about my adhd in years because i gave up mentioning it to people a long time ago. people think it's an excuse to be lazy or manipulative.
在这一点上，我认为不可能让没有神经系统疾病的人相信神经系统疾病是真实存在的。我已经很多年没有想过我的多动症了，因为我很久以前就不再向人们提及它了。人们认为这是懒惰或控制欲的借口。
>>109562810
I am myself diagnosed with ADHD. Saw a lot of people with ADHD. And have no ADHD effects after changing my mindset.
我自己被诊断患有多动症。见过很多患有多动症的人。改变心态后也没有多动症的影响。
And how much research have you done yourself?
您自己做了多少研究？
>muh wikipedia article
> 维基百科文章
>muh some doctor article
>一些医生文章
>>109562810
there are academics that have said the same thing. psychology is not exactly a "science" in the traditional sense and even within that sphere there are dissenter from mainstream opinion.
有学者也说过同样的话。心理学并不完全是传统意义上的“科学”，即使在这个领域也存在与主流观点持不同意见的人。
>>109562815
i had literally nothing handed to me and im the fucking man. i make multiple times more than your parents make. suck my dick.
我实际上什么也没交给我，而我就是他妈的人。我赚的钱比你父母多好几倍。吸我的鸡鸡。
>>109562011
A piece of paper with the work you want to do for a day, or anything a doctor can prescribe you
一张纸，上面写着你一天想做的工作，或者医生可以给你开的任何东西
>>109562097
>>109562442
DIE ableist
DIE 能力者
>>109562788
>>109562791
>>109562809
>>109562810
two-digit IQ /pol/niggers and magakikes
两位数的智商/pol/黑鬼和magakikes
>>109562822
are you trying to convince me or yourself?
你是想说服我还是你自己？
>>109562826
im convincing the tiny demon in your head with a small degree of self humility that wonders if you are in fact just plain stupid and there is no valid excuse for it.
我以一点点的谦虚来说服你头脑中的小恶魔，它想知道你是否真的很愚蠢，而且没有任何正当的借口。
>>109562011
>>109562822
it's funny how it's always the biggest nepos that claim nothing is ever handed to them
有趣的是，最大的尼波斯总是声称没有任何东西交给他们
whiloe people who grew up poor can't stop talking about every small chance they've been given, how much their parents sacrified for them, etc.
而那些在贫困中长大的人却无法停止谈论他们所获得的每一个微小的机会，他们的父母为他们牺牲了多少等等。
>>109562011
is ketamine technology
是氯胺酮技术
>>109562850
did you develop this world view from watching a disney movie?
你的世界观是通过观看迪士尼电影而形成的吗？
my bad, your disease prevents you from watching a movie in its entirety. but perhaps you read the sparknotes for one after watching the first 10 minutes and then looking at your cell phone? you sad, bitchless loser? LMFAO
很遗憾，你的病让你无法完整地观看一部电影。但也许您在看完前 10 分钟后又看了一眼火花笔记，然后又看了一下手机？你是个悲伤的、无良的失败者吗？ LMFA
>>109562918
no, your posts just ooze that specific kind of entitlement that only nepos have
不，你的帖子只是渗透了只有 nepos 才拥有的特定权利
So if you have ADHD but live in a country that doesn't allow stimulant drugs like amphetamines, what's the best treatment?
那么，如果您患有多动症，但生活在一个不允许使用安非他明等兴奋剂药物的国家，最好的治疗方法是什么？
open question for people with "ADHD" in this thread:
在此线程中针对患有“多动症”的人开放的问题：
did you have any scans or objective testing done in your diagnosis? or did you take a 3 minute quiz in a waiting room of vague questions that was entirely for insurance purposes before you were diagnosed and prescribed as an adult?
您的诊断中是否进行过任何扫描或客观测试？或者，在您作为成人被诊断并开处方之前，您是否在候诊室进行了 3 分钟的含糊问题测验，这些问题完全是出于保险目的？
yeah... nice one.
是的...不错的一个。
ADHD copers love talking about brain scans of inconsistent results which is almost never done in diagnosis. the diagnosis is performed by asking you "do you sometimes feel distracted"
多动症治疗者喜欢谈论结果不一致的脑部扫描，而这在诊断中几乎从未做过。通过询问您“您有时是否感到分心”来进行诊断
that might be word for word an actual question on the 3 minute quiz you take to diagnose it
这可能是您诊断问题时进行的 3 分钟测验中逐字逐句的实际问题
god damn you have to be stupid to fall for that
该死的，你一定是个傻子才会上当
>>109562918
Why do you communicate like Jaden Smith?
为什么你像贾登·史密斯那样沟通？
>>109562942
did someone on Rogan said this or why do so confidently believe such complete nonsense?
罗根上有人说过这句话吗？或者为什么如此自信地相信这种完全是胡说八道？
>>109562011
It’s just not your genetic destiny to be an officecuck deskjob wagie. Also add and adhd isn’t even real.
成为一名办公室白痴办公桌工作狂并不是你的遗传命运。而且add和adhd甚至都不是真的。
>>109562951
yeah so, what i described is literally the process for ADHD diagnosis. in fact the waiting room quiz is the "gold standard" for diagnosing ADHD, btw.
是的，我所描述的实际上是多动症诊断的过程。事实上，候诊室测验是诊断多动症的“黄金标准”。
you are a "early stage sidelines" self diagnoser. again, you are in the just plain old stupid category.
你是一个“早期旁观者”自我诊断者。再说一遍，你属于普通的愚蠢类别。
>>109562011
Stop being a faggot and get a blue collar job for no more than two years, preferably away from the big city, that's it.
别再当基佬了，找一份不超过两年的蓝领工作，最好是远离大城市，就是这样。
>>109562965
it never stops being funny what amazingly confident nonsense the Dunning-Kruger effect and source amnesia can produce
邓宁-克鲁格效应和来源遗忘症可以产生多么令人惊讶的自信废话，这永远是有趣的
ADHD is a collection of symptoms.
ADHD 是一系列症状的集合。
The underlying reasons are probably very different
根本原因可能非常不同
You have some people with real difference in norepinephrine and dopamine handling in the brain, like actual physical differences.
有些人在大脑中的去甲肾上腺素和多巴胺处理方面存在真正的差异，就像实际的身体差异一样。
Then you probably have people who just need something more mild
那么你可能有人只需要更温和的东西
This is the reason why people say adhd isn’t real and some swear it is:
这就是为什么人们说多动症不是真的，而有些人却发誓它是真的：
The term covers a very wide number of groups with different root causes imo
在我看来，这个术语涵盖了非常广泛的具有不同根本原因的群体
>>109562942
i was diagnosed as a child, i don't remember what tests were done.
我小时候被诊断出来，我不记得做过什么检查。
i get that most people can forget things or become distracted at times, but it's really not as simple as that.
我知道大多数人有时会忘记事情或分心，但事实并非如此简单。
the fact i was diagnosed isn't even something i "use". i don't mention it to anyone, i try to fit in but just can't. i wish it wasn't real. any time i mentioned it in the past has been met with scepticism and rejection, so i've stopped doing it. you don't have to understand what i live with, but don't pretend like you know enough to say it's not a real thing.
我被诊断出的事实甚至不是我“使用”的东西。我没有向任何人提起这件事，我试图融入但就是做不到。我希望这不是真的。过去我每次提到这件事都会遭到怀疑和拒绝，所以我不再这样做了。你不必了解我的生活，但不要假装你知道得足以说这不是真实的事情。
>>109562809
Well said. Want a banana?
说得好。想要香蕉吗？
>>109562820
So you were misdiagnosed and now think ADHD isn't a thing.
所以你被误诊了，现在认为注意力缺陷多动症不是一个问题。
>>109562209
People react different to the same drug please quit being an altoid
人们对同一种药物的反应不同，请停止成为一个altoid
>>109562612
What do you mean?
你什么意思？
>>109562982
try google, you might be surprised at what you find
尝试谷歌，你可能会对你的发现感到惊讶
>>109563012
yeah dumbass they didnt do brain scans on you, in case you were wondering. its never done. they ask your teachers and parents a bunch of vague questions.
是的，笨蛋，如果你想知道的话，他们没有对你进行脑部扫描。它从未完成过。他们会问你的老师和家长一堆模糊的问题。
both parties go along because the y want to see your success and trust way too much in figures in apparent positions of authority. in reality they are just as clueless.
双方都同意，因为他们希望看到你的成功，并且过于信任处于明显权威地位的人物。事实上，他们同样一无所知。
there are many published phd academics in the field of psychiatry/psychology which have pointed the things out i am saying
在精神病学/心理学领域有许多已发表的博士学者指出了我所说的事情
you have only researched things to validate your own world view.
你只是研究了一些东西来验证你自己的世界观。
what is actually used for and what is "real"? whatever insurance, outright negligent science, and billing dictates
实际用途是什么以及“真实”是什么？无论保险、彻底的疏忽科学和计费规定如何
>>109563041
>So you were misdiagnosed and now think ADHD isn't a thing.
>所以你被误诊了，现在认为注意力缺陷多动症不是一个问题。
Wrong. Had ADHD. My life was shit.
错误的。患有多动症。我的生活一团糟。
>>109563067
>try google, you might be surprised at what you find
>尝试谷歌，你可能会对你的发现感到惊讶
wasn't very surprising
并不是很令人惊讶
>>109563086
>zoomers now think googling something is asking gemini to tell them what they want to hear
>zoomers 现在认为谷歌搜索某些东西是要求双子座告诉他们他们想听什么
lol, lmao even
lol，甚至 lmao
>>109563086
hey genius, your country's laws and insurance practices are different. i am talking about the first world.
嘿天才，你们国家的法律和保险惯例是不同的。我说的是第一世界。
Gunzernicht en retardedstaufen!!!
Gunzernicht en retardedstaufen!!!（德语法语混杂的恶搞咆哮，大意是骂对方弱智，无标准译法）
the fact it can vary country per country is weird huh? i thought this was a real objective thing we're talking about? agreed upon by the entire scientific community? Sheeeit mayne who knows?
事实上每个国家的情况都不同，这很奇怪吧？我认为这是我们正在谈论的真正客观的事情？整个科学界都同意吗？谁知道？
>>109563099
the times in the first page results vary from an hour to two weeks
第一页结果中的时间从一小时到两周不等
do you want me to keep going through the pages until I hit a random blog with no sources that support your retarded claim?
你想让我继续浏览这些页面，直到我随机访问一个没有任何来源支持你弱智主张的博客吗？
>>109563101
see pic
看图片
sasuga gerchud
萨苏加格楚德
>>109563067
i've done very little research myself into adhd, because i don't really care to know about it. i was never convinced i had adhd by someone else, but it did explain why i had so much trouble fitting in. i just wanted to be normal.
我自己对多动症的研究很少，因为我真的不想了解它。我从来没有被其他人相信我患有多动症，但这确实解释了为什么我很难融入。我只是想成为正常人。
if you saw me as a kid i'm sure you'd agree there was something wrong with me. i /was/ "that weird kid". i didn't want to be, and i didn't understand why i was so weird.
如果你看到我小时候，我相信你会同意我有问题。我/曾经/“那个奇怪的孩子”。我不想这样，我也不明白为什么我这么奇怪。
but again, i don't bring it up, i haven't in years. i'm only talking about it itt because that's the thread topic, i don't use it as "victim points" or for any other benefit. i don't even put it down on government documents because i've gotten so used to people not thinking it's a real thing.
但我再说一次，我没有提起这件事，我已经很多年没有提起了。我只是谈论它，因为这是主题，我不会将其用作“受害者点”或任何其他好处。我什至没有把它写在政府文件上，因为我已经习惯了人们不认为这是真的。
>>109563115
dgaf about your misdiagnosis, and I don't care for whatever the guy that's making you mald hard is saying.
dgaf 关于你的误诊，我不在乎那个让你很难受的家伙在说什么。
I just find it hilarious that retards just blindly trust gemini when it's easily manipulated and tends to hallucinate a lot
我只是觉得很搞笑，当双子座很容易被操纵并且容易产生幻觉时，他们却盲目地信任双子座
>>109563173
I don't have adhd, I just find some strange joy in correcting people who defend the dumbest nonsense aggressively, watching how they go more angry and coping harder the more you confront them with the plain truth.
我没有多动症，我只是在纠正那些积极捍卫最愚蠢的废话的人时找到了一些奇怪的乐趣，看着他们如何变得更加愤怒，并且当你用简单的事实面对他们时他们会更加努力地应对。
>>109563191
>I t-totally don't care I WAS THE TROLL ALL ALONG
>我、完全不在乎我一直都是巨魔
kek, nice cope zoomzoom.
kek，不错的应对 ZoomZoom。
>>109563221
already so mad you lost the ability to read
已经气得你失去了阅读的能力
>>109563012
>i try to fit in but just can't
>我试图融入但就是做不到
yeah, decades of substance abuse since childhood will do that. sucks to be you I guess. I also got med raped, but only for a few years and I quit at an early age so my brain recovered
是的，从童年起数十年的药物滥用就会造成这种情况。我想成为你很糟糕。我也曾被药物强奸过，但只持续了几年，我很早就戒烟了，这样我的大脑就恢复了
>>109563233
Sure thing buddy, having the last reply will make you automatically right, so gI ahead, looks like you need a win.
当然，伙计，得到最后的回复会让你自动正确，所以我领先，看起来你需要一场胜利。
>>109562942
I was diagnosed as an adult in work healthcare that doesn't want to just stamp a paper and let you go, they get paid for it so my tests lasted the entire day. Also I saw a different specialist another day that did sensory examinations so every explanation was covered. All my test results were compared to the average results for people who don't have ADHD. If they deviated a lot one way or the other it was a sign of ADHD. The final straw was when I started the meds and felt nothing when a regular person would get a dopamine hit, that's why they want to use them recreationally. Also I'm not American so any trend that goes on there doesn't apply directly.
我被诊断为工作医疗保健领域的成年人，不想只是在一张纸上盖章就让你走，他们为此得到报酬，所以我的测试持续了一整天。另一天我还见到了一位不同的专家，他做了感官检查，所以所有的解释都被涵盖了。我所有的测试结果都与没有多动症的人的平均结果进行了比较。如果他们在某一方面偏离很多，那就是多动症的征兆。最后一根稻草是当我开始服用药物时，当普通人受到多巴胺刺激时没有任何感觉，这就是为什么他们想娱乐性地使用它们。而且我不是美国人，所以那里发生的任何趋势都不能直接适用。
>>109563250
good for you as well, i didn't have a choice. when you're <10yo you do what your parents tell you to. i didn't take anything afterwards by myself
对你也有好处，我别无选择。当你<10岁的时候，你就会按照父母告诉你的去做。后来我自己什么也没拿
>>109562942
i never been diagnosed but i've always known my brain works differently. Doing stimulants like coke made me feel like I was stoned instead and i would drink energy drinks to help me fall asleep faster since they made me very drowsy.
我从未被诊断过，但我一直知道我的大脑工作方式不同。服用可乐等兴奋剂让我感觉自己喝醉了，我会喝能量饮料来帮助我更快入睡，因为它们让我非常昏昏欲睡。
>>109563488
>stimulants like coke
>可乐等兴奋剂
Are you ok, anon?
你还好吗，阿诺？
>>109562011
Rope
>>109562942
You're probably illiterate or uninformed and choose to believe the simplistic and comfortable explanation offered by hicks and contrarians.
您可能是文盲或无知，并选择相信乡巴佬和逆向投资者提供的简单而舒适的解释。
In actual reality you diagnose the problem in young children, usually 6 and younger. The USA was the leading country in research and study on the matter among a network of pediatricians, psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, and other personnel.
实际上，您可以在幼儿（通常是 6 岁及以下）中诊断问题。美国是儿科医生、心理学家、精神病学家、治疗师和其他人员网络中对此问题进行研究的领先国家。
Comorbidities are likewise well documented and written about in literature, pic related.
合并症同样在文献、图片中都有详细记录和记载。
What often flies under the radar is how the practical knowledge in these books is disregarded or forgotten in the post-2010s internet with sources of endless distractions, and sensory overload despite the fact that many who wind up being tech savvy in their youth should be best equipped to use the tools afforded by computers for mitigation strategy. But with the terrible decline of quality in software and user experience, it's not hard to see why you'd have someone getting lost after you cross the threshold of 2007 level information technology.
人们经常忽视的是，在 2010 年代后的互联网中，这些书中的实用知识如何被忽视或遗忘，因为无穷无尽的干扰源和感官超载，尽管许多在年轻时就精通技术的人应该最有能力使用计算机提供的工具来制定缓解策略。但随着软件质量和用户体验的严重下降，不难理解为什么在跨过 2007 年信息技术的门槛后，就会有人迷失方向。
>>109563496
i think so lol
我想是这样，哈哈
>>109562209
das right nigga
这是正确的黑鬼
>>109562439
I think nutrition helps a lot, low carbing especially. Or at least stop eating excess carbs where possible.
我认为营养有很大帮助，尤其是低碳水化合物。或者至少尽可能停止吃过量的碳水化合物。
>>109562097
This is true
这是真实的
>>109562442
Fuck you dumb bitch. Im retired in my late 20's and Adhd made it so much harder than it had to be.
操你这个蠢女人。我在 20 多岁的时候退休了，多动症让我的生活变得比原来要困难得多。
>do a deatiled pre assessment at a clinic because of anxiety issues
>由于焦虑问题在诊所进行详细的预评估
>turns out I am cooked
>原来我已经煮熟了
It's funny how this fake things makes people get fired all the time even though they try their absolute hardest and get burned out daily to manage function at work.
有趣的是，这种虚假的东西总是让人们被解雇，尽管他们尽了最大努力，每天都在管理工作中精疲力尽。
>>109562612
only >>109562127 is a fmri scan
只有 >>109562127 是 fmri 扫描
>>109563053
2025 study showed that increased oxihemogoblin flow doesn't always correspond with increased neuronal activity. basically the whole scientific basis of fraudMRI has been shown to be bullshit.
2025 年的研究表明，氧化血红蛋白流量的增加并不总是与神经元活动的增加相对应。基本上，MRI 欺诈的整个科学基础已被证明是胡说八道。
>>109562063
I have a non verbal (she can speak a few words but not form a full sentences) family member with actual adhd, so not pretend stuff like most americans
我有一位患有多动症的家庭成员（她可以说几个词，但不能组成完整的句子），所以不要像大多数美国人那样假装
>>109562011
How the fuck do you deal with procrastination? I have adhd and dyslexia to top it up... I had to work extra hard to get excellent grade in school. Luckily parents have money so I got the best tutors. My parents also didn't give me meds I went on them when I turned 18 for a year but I didn't feel like myself so didn't take them.
你他妈的如何应对拖延症？我患有多动症和阅读障碍……我必须加倍努力才能在学校取得优异的成绩。幸运的是父母有钱，所以我得到了最好的家教。我的父母也没有给我吃药，当我满 18 岁时，我吃了一年药，但我感觉不太好，所以没有服用。
>>109562011
>technology
Shooting IR lasers at your brain cures ADHD
向大脑发射红外激光可治疗多动症
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.09.18.25335086v1.full
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abq3211
Also: antioxidant supplements cure ADHD https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1756464622003164
>>109563520
wow those look like real hard science books aimed at very well read mothers. damn anon, you might be the most educated in here... please tell us more. i want to hear more about the science from somebody who doesn't even know how to read a simple 4chan post.
哇，这些看起来像是真正的硬科学书籍，针对的是广为阅读的母亲。该死的匿名，你可能是这里受教育程度最高的人...请告诉我们更多信息。我想从一个甚至不知道如何阅读简单的 4chan 帖子的人那里听到更多关于科学的信息。
>>109563278
>The final straw was when I started the meds and felt nothing when a regular person would get a dopamine hit
>最后一根稻草是当我开始服药时，当普通人受到多巴胺的刺激时却没有任何感觉
your doc prescribed you a very low dose or put you on bullshit like straterra, which actually doesnt do anything and isnt abusable.
你的医生给你开了很低的剂量，或者让你服用像 straterra 这样的废话，它实际上没有任何作用，也不能滥用。
not reading all these b8 wall of texts but i got diagnosed started taking drugs and life got better and easier, nothing else to it nigga
没有读完所有这些 b8 文字墙，但我被诊断出开始吸毒，生活变得更好、更轻松，没有别的了，黑鬼
basically for the 1 person reading this that isnt a bot ass nigga trust yourself your own brain and not random niggas that try to gaslight u into thinking otherwise like the niggas ITT
基本上，对于读这篇文章的人来说，这不是一个机器人屁股黑鬼，相信自己，你自己的大脑，而不是随机的黑鬼，他们试图让你思考其他方式，就像黑鬼 ITT 一样
>>109562942
i was actually quite shocked by how in depth the tests were, plus they check hella shit before giving you any meds shit take forever
事实上，我对这些测试的深度感到非常震惊，而且他们在给你任何药物之前都会检查你的狗屎，狗屎永远
>>109564707
Wrong, since I complained that it had no effect on me they upped the dosage instead of trying a different one. It has been raised a couple of times now and I'm already past the dosage limit that the pill bottle's own instructions say is the maximum. I'm still feeling nothing different but I just notice that maybe I accomplish more with it. Also it's Concerta and not Straterra.
错了，因为我抱怨它对我没有影响，所以他们增加了剂量，而不是尝试不同的剂量。现在已经提高了几次，我已经超过了药瓶说明书上规定的最大剂量限制。我仍然感觉没有什么不同，但我只是注意到也许我可以用它完成更多的事情。而且它是协奏曲而不是斯特拉特拉。
i just want some meth guys
我只是想要一些冰毒
>>109564821
try vyvanse or ritalin if that doesnt work then yeah id give up
尝试 vyvanse 或利他林，如果不起作用，那么是的，我放弃
>>109564826
i dont recommend it
我不推荐它
>>109564826
I tried speed and it was just fucking boring, not expecting much of meth
我尝试过速度，但实在太无聊了，对冰毒没有太多期待
AYO MR WHITE
>normal brain
>正常大脑
People will talk about talent and genius and then in the same breath they will pathologize the type of mind required for it. LeBron James probably reads at a third grade level, does that mean he's stupid? Does that mean he doesn't have a place in society? The field of pseudoscience we call psychology needs to recognize that different people are good at different things and belong in different occupations
人们会谈论天赋和天才，然后同时他们也会将其所需的思维类型病态化。勒布朗·詹姆斯的阅读水平可能只有三年级，这是否意味着他很蠢？这是否意味着他在社会上没有地位？我们称之为心理学的伪科学领域需要认识到不同的人擅长不同的事情并且属于不同的职业
>>109564887
thats fine you would be doing me a favor actually. i got shit to do
没关系，你实际上是在帮我一个忙。我有事要做
>>109564887
you're snitch we don't fuck w rats
你是告密者，我们不跟老鼠做爱
nigga broke the rules anyway by announcing his shit. newfag ass niggas
无论如何，黑鬼宣布了他的狗屎，这违反了规则。 newfag 屁股 黑鬼
>>109564311
Heck yeah Ayden/Brayden, you will be on literal meth now. Your Gen X parents approve. Your mom will be thrilled to sad-BRAG in her social circle about her son being diagnosed with a medical pathology and being put on medz. You should also tell them you're GAY, because that sort of thing means a lot to Gen X Anglo White people.
哎呀，艾登/布雷登，你现在就要吃冰毒了。你的 X 一代父母同意。你妈妈会很高兴在她的社交圈里悲伤地吹嘘她的儿子被诊断出患有医学病理学并接受了药物治疗。您还应该告诉他们您是同性恋，因为这种事情对于 X 世代盎格鲁白人来说意义重大。
>>109564956
was that your experience when they diagnosed your schizophrenia?
当他们诊断出你患有精神分裂症时，这就是你的经历吗？
>>109564887
It's actually outside pol retard
它实际上是在外面的 pol 延迟
>>109564970
it isn't
不是这样的
>>109564970
>anon's adhd made him write this post
>anon 的多动症让他写了这篇文章
try looking yourself. i know adhd victims are nearly helpless but this exactly 2 clicks to look.
试着看看你自己。我知道多动症患者几乎无助，但这只需点击两次即可查看。
>>109563000
>You have some people with real difference in norepinephrine and dopamine handling in the brain, like actual physical differences.
>有些人在大脑中的去甲肾上腺素和多巴胺处理方面存在真正的差异，例如实际的身体差异。
Every single human being alive today has actual physical differences, including "identical" twins.
今天活着的每个人都有实际的身体差异，包括“同卵”双胞胎。
somebody said twinks?
有人说双胞胎？
>>109564981
>>109564986
We are all retard then. It's different per board. But your right on g it does say b when reporting. But since I'm not a snitch.
那时我们都是迟钝的。每个板都不同。但你对g的权利在报告时确实说b。但因为我不是告密者。
>>109564816
What happens after the initial BDEFS questionnaire?
初次 BDEFS 问卷调查后会发生什么？
>>109562011
>ADHD
American made disease to sell drugs to kids.
美国人制造疾病是为了向孩子们出售毒品。
"Your son has ADHD, ma'am. Give him this"
“您的儿子患有多动症，女士。给他这个”
>>109564981
>>109564986
I take it back I'm retard went to see on few boards your right. I would swear I saw that shit on fit.
我收回这句话，我是个弱智，去几块板上看到了你的权利。我发誓我在健身时看到了那个狗屎。
>>109565158
You're*
>>109564487
But vanilla MRI is good or?
但普通 MRI 好还是不好？
Vyvanse is probably the best ADHD drug but it also fucking sucks
Vyvanse 可能是最好的 ADHD 药物，但也很糟糕
>>109562011
Beatings and privilege restrictions until you learn to behave like a normal person.
殴打和特权限制，直到你学会像正常人一样行事。
I get it, you think there's something wrong with your brain. And maybe there is. But the world isn't going to conform to you, you need to figure out how to work around your disability (real or imagined) and be a useful member of society.
我明白了，你觉得你脑子有问题。也许有。但世界不会顺从你，你需要弄清楚如何解决你的残疾（真实的或想象的）并成为社会的有用成员。
>>109565822
that's literally what adhd treatment is about
这就是多动症治疗的真正含义
really what all psychological treatment is about
真正的心理治疗是什么
>>109565822
Do you say this to wheelchair users too instead of building them ramps?
您是否也对轮椅使用者这么说，而不是为他们建造坡道？
>>109565822
>Beatings and privilege restrictions
>殴打和特权限制
zamn this is how you raise a mass shooter
赞恩，这就是培养大规模射手的方法
>>109565838
I dont think any school shooters were the result of beatings and privilege restrictions
我不认为任何校园枪击案是殴打和特权限制的结果
>>109562692
>eating lots of speed and eliminating 90% of human life
> 饮食速度太快，导致人类 90% 的生命消失
I'm diagnosed with autism and I do this
我被诊断出患有自闭症，我这样做了
(they won't diagnose me with adhd because then they can stop sending me to a psychologist (lose money))
（他们不会诊断我患有多动症，因为这样他们就可以停止送我去看心理学家（赔钱））
>>109562756
true. best they'll treat the effects of autism, such as depression, by pumping ssris
真的。他们最好通过注射 ssris 来治疗自闭症的影响，例如抑郁症
>>109562751
Undeniably both. Unchecked, it's a vicious cycle. However, faulty brain chemistry is the major driver here.
不可否认两者都有。如果不加以控制，就会形成恶性循环。然而，错误的大脑化学反应是这里的主要驱动因素。
>>109562764
People with certain disorders like autism and ADHD react quite differently to stimulants. Methamphetamine calms their brains down, where it excites normies' brains. This happens with caffeine too. It makes some people wired, but it just mellows me out, just like alcohol does (of course, without the drunkenness).
患有自闭症和多动症等某些疾病的人对兴奋剂的反应截然不同。甲基苯丙胺可以使他们的大脑平静下来，而它可以使正常人的大脑兴奋。咖啡因也会发生这种情况。它让一些人兴奋不已，但它只是让我变得柔和，就像酒精一样（当然，没有醉酒）。
>>109565822
Absolute ableist fascist adjacent FILTH. If more people were like you, dyslexia would still be just blamed on people being lazy and stupid. Fuck you, and fuck your dead grandmother, do the world a favour and play in traffic. Fucking jackass.
绝对的体能主义者法西斯主义毗邻污秽。如果更多的人像你一样，阅读障碍仍然会被归咎于人们的懒惰和愚蠢。操你，操你死去的祖母，帮这个世界一个忙，玩玩交通。他妈的混蛋。
>>109565835
There are places wheelchairs don't need to go. We don't need to build wheelchair ramps to the running shoe store or deface nature to build ramp monstrosities up alongside hiking trails, and I'm tired of pretending we do.
有些地方不需要轮椅去。我们不需要建造通往跑鞋店的轮椅坡道，也不需要破坏自然，在远足小径旁边建造坡道怪物，我厌倦了假装我们这样做。
>>109565838
No, coddling them at home and giving them an expectation of special privileges, then letting them interface with reality where nobody gives a shit and still has normal expectations of them, that is what creates mass shooters. Also most mass shooters aren't ADHD/autists, they're just black.
不，把他们关在家里，给他们一种特殊特权的期望，然后让他们面对现实，没有人在乎，但仍然对他们抱有正常的期望，这就是造成大规模枪击事件的原因。此外，大多数大规模枪击案凶手都不是多动症/自闭症患者，他们只是黑人。
>>109565978
Did we start printing books with randomly reversed lettering to suit you? No. You're the type of person I just described above. Your parents didn't do you any favors telling you everybody is going to just let you get away with being wrong. I can appreciate the fact that reading is harder for you and it's not that I don't personally have sympathy for you, but the world doesn't care and you'd better get with the program.
我们是否开始印刷带有随机反转字体的书籍以适合您？不，你就是我上面描述的那种人。你的父母并没有给你任何帮助，告诉你每个人都会让你犯错而逃脱惩罚。我可以理解阅读对你来说更困难这一事实，并不是我个人对你没有同情心，而是世界并不关心你，你最好继续这个计划。
>>109566175
did we start printing books differently because of adhd?
我们是否因为多动症而开始以不同的方式印刷书籍？
how are you affected by adhd treatment?
多动症治疗对您有何影响？
>>109566175
>NOOOOO I don't want even the ADHD people to surpass me, don't give them their meds!! How can I compete if it's fair??
>不不不，我什至不希望多动症患者超越我，不要给他们吃药！如果公平的话我该如何竞争？
>>109566206
Yes, and we made everyone dumber in the process. Complex ideas require attention spans of longer than 3 minutes, and instead of telling ADHD kids maybe certain topics simply aren't suited for them, we changed education to suit 3-minute max attention spans. Now we have kids that are otherwise fully capable of learning complex subjects that have been reduced to only knowing the most superficial and over-simplified bullet points that would fit in a TikTok video.
是的，我们在这个过程中让每个人都变得更加愚蠢。复杂的想法需要超过 3 分钟的注意力持续时间，我们没有告诉 ADHD 孩子某些主题可能根本不适合他们，而是改变了教育方式以适应 3 分钟的最大注意力持续时间。现在，我们的孩子本来完全有能力学习复杂的科目，但这些科目却被简化为只知道适合 TikTok 视频的最肤浅和过于简单的要点。
All so ADHD kids don't feel left out. It would be better for humanity if we simply accepted certain things weren't "for them" and everybody else could reach their full potential.
所有这些都是为了让多动症孩子不会感到被排除在外。如果我们简单地接受某些事情不“适合他们”，而其他人都可以充分发挥潜力，那么对人类来说会更好。
>>109566242
What? If meds help ADHD kids act normal and achieve more, I'm all for it, even if they surpass me.
什么？如果药物可以帮助多动症孩子表现正常并取得更多成就，我完全支持，即使他们超越了我。
If anybody took what I've said in the last few posts to mean I'm anti-medication or anti-cognitive behavioral therapy or anything like that that actually helps kids, that isn't what I meant at all. I'm just saying that after all that, there may be a ceiling on what some people can do, even with help, and that should be considered normal and OK and we shouldn't organize society around edge cases like that.
如果有人认为我在过去几篇文章中所说的意思是我反对药物治疗或反认知行为疗法或类似的实际上对孩子有帮助的东西，那根本不是我的意思。我只是说，毕竟，即使有帮助，有些人能做的事情也可能有上限，这应该被认为是正常和正常的，我们不应该围绕这样的边缘情况来组织社会。
>>109566335
that's done for normies and their feeble brains that can't deal with a lot of complexity
这是为普通人和他们的弱智而做的，因为他们无法处理很多复杂的事情
adhd get drugged so they can fit better into a society made for normies
多动症患者被下药，这样他们就能更好地融入一个为规范而生的社会
i wish meds worked on me
我希望药物对我有效
i have (most) of the symptoms to a crippling degree but they didn't help me at all. All they did was curb my appetite and keep me awake, with some bad side effects. Only vyvanse had a positive effect without making me feel terrible half the time, but it didn't increase my focus or anything like that. Just makes more social and improve my mood. Which can be helpful iin an indirect way though
我的（大多数）症状都达到了严重程度，但它们对我根本没有帮助。他们所做的只是抑制我的食欲，让我保持清醒，并带来一些不良的副作用。只有 vyvanse 有积极的效果，不会让我有一半时间感觉很糟糕，但它并没有增加我的注意力或类似的东西。只是让我更加社交并改善我的心情。这可以间接地有所帮助
I should have tried strattera and guanfacine before i lost the chance to get anymore. I wonder if they would have worked.
在我失去再服用的机会之前，我应该尝试一下斯特拉特拉和胍法辛。我想知道他们是否会起作用。
i had ai search through reddit for peptides on adhd last night
昨晚我让人工智能在 Reddit 上搜索有关多动症的肽
guess i'll finally try semax, it would kinda suck if this really is the cure, i known about it for like a decade now but it was expensive compared to cheaper shit so i avoided it. I still am rather dejected that the main 3 of adderall vyvanse and ritalin didn't work, but i dont have much of a choice.
我想我最终会尝试semax，如果这真的是治疗方法，那就有点糟糕了，我知道它已经有十年了，但与更便宜的狗屎相比，它很贵，所以我避免了它。我仍然很沮丧，因为adderall vyvanse和ritalin的主要3种药物不起作用，但我没有太多选择。
anyway AI is great technology for it, in the past couple years I actually managed to complete a bunch of stuff that I never would have before, because i was able to get far further in completing it before my hyperfocus and interest in whatever it was died completely.
不管怎样，人工智能对于它来说是伟大的技术，在过去的几年里，我实际上成功地完成了一堆我以前从未完成过的事情，因为在我的过度关注和对它的兴趣完全消失之前，我能够在完成它方面走得更远。
>>109566353
Oh, you're doing the "actually mental illness is a superpower" thing. It's not.
哦，你正在做“实际上精神疾病是一种超能力”的事情。它不是。
Normies are retarded but that's a completely separate discussion, and has more to do with integration and catering to inferior races (thanks jews) than it does to ADHD/autism/dyslexia/etc edge cases. Normies weren't beaten properly either.
正常人是迟钝的，但这是一个完全独立的讨论，更多地与融合和迎合劣等种族（感谢犹太人）有关，而不是与注意力缺陷多动症/自闭症/诵读困难等边缘案例有关。普通人也没有被正确地殴打。
>>109566433
no, I'm saying adhd treatment is focused on making people with adhd fit better in a normie world, not the other way around
不，我是说多动症治疗的重点是让患有多动症的人更好地适应正常世界，而不是相反
can't you keep your focus for two sentences?
你就不能集中注意力说两句话吗？
>>109566433
>Normies are retarded
> 正常人都是迟钝的
Which includes you.
其中包括你。
Failed normies like you are still normies.
像你这样失败的普通人仍然是普通人。
>>109565885
I wouldn't consider our brains faulty. I would say we're different. My current iq clinically not some bs online test is 137. Maybe my dyslexia is a handy cap. But just because we don't fall under what the majority consider normal doesn't mean we are faulty.
我不认为我们的大脑有缺陷。我想说我们不一样。我目前的智商（临床上不是一些废话在线测试）是137。也许我的阅读障碍是一个方便的上限。但仅仅因为我们不属于大多数人认为正常的范围，并不意味着我们有问题。
>>109566441
That's what I've been saying all this time. ADHD kids should be able to fit into a normie world because that the world we exist in. They need to be able to function so they can be useful to society, or a revolutionary movement, or whatever.
这就是我一直在说的。多动症儿童应该能够融入正常的世界，因为这就是我们存在的世界。他们需要能够发挥作用，这样他们才能对社会、革命运动或其他什么有用。
Nobody said we have to keep the society we have now, but there are basic human skills like sitting fucking still, listening, and either directing others or following directions in a complex plan that are essential no matter what you're doing. Things that make you a useful human and not dead weight.
没有人说我们必须维持现有的社会，但基本的人类技能，比如他妈的安静地坐着、倾听、指导他人或遵循复杂计划中的指示，无论你在做什么，这些技能都是必不可少的。那些让你成为一个有用的人而不是沉重的东西。
>>109566453
dilate you fucking faggot. Guarantee I've done more than you'll ever do.
扩张你他妈的基佬。保证我做的比你做的还要多。
>>109566494
>That's what I've been saying all this time
> 这就是我一直在说的
No you massive retard.
不，你这个智障。
You keep not getting that this is what is already exactly what's being done.
你总是不明白这正是已经在做的事情。
>dilate you fucking faggot. Guarantee I've done more than you'll ever do.
>扩张你他妈的基佬。保证我做的比你做的还要多。
Then why so bitter, poor little normie?
那为什么可怜的小普通人这么痛苦呢？
retarded poltard has retarded opinions and has to shit up ever discussion about anything anywhere with his retarded shit as usual
弱智的波尔塔德有弱智的观点，并且必须像往常一样用他的弱智狗屎来阻止任何地方的任何讨论
Not that it was that great a thread anyway but still
无论如何，这并不是那么伟大的线程，但仍然
>>109566514
No, it isn't what is being done. We are catering to edge cases in society, whether they be retarded Australopithecus Africanus or ADHD snowflakes. This harms others.
不，这不是正在做的事情。我们正在迎合社会中的边缘案例，无论是智障的非洲南方古猿还是多动症雪花。这会伤害他人。
If I'm bitter it's because I see kids with a very high learning and organizational potential being stunted.
如果我感到痛苦，那是因为我看到那些具有很高学习和组织潜力的孩子受到了阻碍。
I don't lay this problem at the feet of people with ADHD themselves. It's ultimately the fault of jews.
我不会把这个问题归咎于患有多动症的人自己。这最终都是犹太人的错。
>>109566535
Shalom, rabbi.
沙洛姆，拉比。
>>109566433
>Oh, you're doing the "actually mental illness is a superpower" thing
>哦，你正在做“实际上精神疾病是一种超能力”的事情
He's not, retard
他不是，迟钝
Learn to read
识字
>>109562127
>neurotypical
just say normal, retard
就说正常，延迟
>>109566549
How is putting people on meds so they can be more like a normie, catering to them and not the normies who can't stand being around anyone slightly different and will throw a huge fit at the mildest inconvenience?
如何让人们接受药物治疗，让他们更像一个正常人，迎合他们，而不是那些无法忍受与稍有不同的人在一起并且会因最轻微的不便而大发脾气的正常人？
Normies couldn't even stand having left-handed people write with their left hand, and forced them to write with their right hand for centuries. That's how massively entitled normies are. Make things a million times harder for someone just because they couldn't stand to watch someone with the "wrong" hand. And then shit on them for struggling with it.
普通人甚至无法忍受左撇子用左手写字，几个世纪以来一直强迫他们用右手写字。这就是普通人享有的巨大权利。仅仅因为某人无法忍受看到某人用“错误”的牌，就让事情变得困难一百万倍。然后就因为他们的挣扎而对他们大骂。
>>109566535
Why do you engaging with that fag?
你为什么要和那个基佬交往？
>>109562011
>What kind of tech or software can you best use to mitigate ADHD and stay a functional adult?
>您最能使用哪种技术或软件来减轻注意力缺陷多动症并保持正常的成年人？
Keto - the serious variant, with zero carbs.
酮 - 严重的变体，碳水化合物为零。
Get on it, stay on it.
坚持下去，坚持下去。
>>109564572
>I went on them when I turned 18 for a year but I didn't feel like myself so didn't take them.
>当我18岁的时候，我服用了一年，但我感觉不舒服，所以没有服用。
you got it wrong. you are yourself only ON the meds
你错了。只有服药的你才是你自己
>>109566535
>ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!
>t. the victim olympics gold medalist
>t。受害者 奥运会金牌得主
this was a great thread too. what someone with ADHD (totally real) needs is MORE technology. if they can just utilize the technology their fat lazy ass is addicted to, then they can become superpowered on top of being medicated with meth.
这也是一个很棒的话题。患有注意力缺陷多动症（完全真实）的人需要的是更多的技术。如果他们能够利用他们那又肥又懒的屁股所沉迷的技术，那么他们除了服用冰毒外，还可以变得超能力。
lmao.
>>109562015
I had these problems before social media though. And I already avoid anything with a feed or algorithms. I only occasionally use youtube, and do so through a completely anonymized front end with no personalized feed.
不过，在社交媒体出现之前，我就遇到过这些问题。我已经避免了任何带有提要或算法的事情。我只是偶尔使用 YouTube，并且通过完全匿名的前端进行操作，没有个性化的提要。
>>109562677
I don't know what the fuck he's on about either.
我也不知道他到底在搞什么鬼。
t. American.
t。美国人。
Maybe the Russians, the spics, or the jeets can translate this one.
也许俄罗斯人、spics 或 jeets 可以翻译这个。
>>109562715
I don't have a smart phone
我没有智能手机
>>109562442
You know how some people get diabetes from eating too much sugar and being a fat fuck, but there are other people who just get it from the organ that produces insulin failing? Or how drugs will make people see things that aren't there and think people are plotting against them, but there are schizos out there who will do that even without drugs?
你知道有些人是如何因为吃太多糖和肥胖而患上糖尿病的吗？但还有一些人只是因为产生胰岛素的器官衰竭而患上糖尿病？或者毒品如何让人们看到不存在的东西，并认为人们正在密谋反对他们，但即使没有毒品，也有精神分裂症患者会这样做？
ADHD is like that. A lot of people have "ADHD" because they fried their dopamine receptors scrolling tiktok. But other people have neurons which are simply less capable of releasing dopamine in response to stimuli than normal human neurons. The people who browse tiktok all day are the fat fucks, the people who have this problem even in the complete absence of feeds are the ones with the faulty organ.
多动症就是这样。很多人患有“注意力缺陷多动症”，因为他们滚动抖音炸毁了他们的多巴胺受体。但其他人的神经元在响应刺激时释放多巴胺的能力比正常人类神经元要差。整天刷抖音的人都是胖子，在完全没有饲料的情况下也有这个问题的人都是器官有问题的人。
>>109562659
ADHD is real, but its so easy to fake and misdiagnose that quacks use it as an excuse to hand out meth like candy. I had to take the shit to function in school and I hated it, I'm pretty sure it fucked up my heart too.
多动症是真实存在的，但它很容易被伪造和误诊，以至于江湖医生用它作为借口像分发糖果一样分发冰毒。我不得不在学校里表现得很糟糕，我讨厌它，我很确定它也搞砸了我的心。
>>109562751
Its both, the brain is a self training machine that doubles down on habits, both good and bad. The more you do something, the more inclined you are to do it again, and the less inclined you are to do something else. It also can be more or less inclined to building these patterns. People with ADHD struggle to release dopamine in response to stimuli, causing the building of these pathways to be much harder.
两者兼而有之，大脑是一台自我训练机器，会加倍培养习惯，无论是好习惯还是坏习惯。你做某事越多，你就越倾向于再做一次，而你就越不愿意做其他事情。它也可能或多或少倾向于构建这些模式。患有多动症的人很难释放多巴胺来应对刺激，导致这些通路的建立变得更加困难。
>>109562659
you say that light it's a good thing but if you actually have adhd then ritalin fucking sucks to be on
你说那盏灯是件好事，但如果你真的患有多动症，那么开利他林就太糟糕了
>>109562809
>is being plain old stupid a "disease"?
>老傻是一种“病”吗？
Last I checked, having a sufficiently low IQ was classed as a mental disability.
上次我查了一下，智商足够低被归类为精神障碍。
>>109562941
Strict self discipline. Keep a schedule, eliminate distractions, good diet and exercise, and often you'll just have to force yourself to do things just so you can get started on them and keep up good habits. You've got to be at your absolute best to match normies doing what comes naturally.
严格自律。制定时间表、消除干扰、良好的饮食和锻炼，通常你只需要强迫自己做事，这样你就可以开始做事情并保持良好的习惯。你必须尽最大努力，才能与正常人的行为相匹配。
>>109562647
why are you assuming he was a nazi?
你为什么认为他是纳粹分子？
maybe he's just another open borders liberal you zionist bigot
也许他只是另一个开放边界的自由主义者，你这个犹太复国主义偏执狂
>>109562942
My mother tried everything she could to keep me off meds and undiagnosed. Then the school threatened to put me in the special ed class, so I had to get diagnosed and put on adderall. After that I functioned just fine in school, and only stopped functioning once I got off. I know it wasn't because of some chemical addiction, because I would quit adderall every break because I hated being on the stuff.
我母亲想尽一切办法不让我吃药，也不让我得到诊断。然后学校威胁要让我进入特殊教育班，所以我不得不接受诊断并服用阿得拉。从那以后，我在学校表现得很好，直到放学后才停止了表现。我知道这不是因为某种化学成瘾，因为每次休息时我都会戒掉阿得拉，因为我讨厌使用这种东西。
>>109564707
Nta, but I remember getting similar results from being on 30mg of adderall when I was 12. It just made me generally thoughtless and irritable, but it did make me focus. I knew actual methheads who took smaller doses than that. I never understood why they enjoyed the stuff.
Nta，但我记得我 12 岁时服用 30 毫克阿得拉也得到了类似的结果。它只是让我变得轻率和易怒，但它确实让我集中注意力。我认识真正的吸毒者，他们服用的剂量比这要小。我一直不明白他们为什么喜欢这些东西。
>>109567310
if that's what being normal is like then i don't want to be normal
如果这就是正常人的样子，那么我不想成为正常人
>>109567763
This, taking adhd meds made me feel like a robot
服用多动症药物让我感觉自己像个机器人
>>109562011
>>109562127
>>109562136
>adhd gives you pink stuff in your brain
>注意力缺陷多动症会让你的大脑中出现粉红色的东西
damn
>>109567310
Kek, then being "normal" sucks.
凯克，那么“正常”很糟糕。
>>109566370
What AI do you use? That looks self hosted. And how has AI helped you complete stuff? Really want to know how I can use it, all I use it for I'd helping me with math and asking retarded social questions like "how long should I wait before texting a friend so I don't annoy them" and "please create a flowchart on how to befriend someone"
你用什么人工智能？看起来是自托管的。人工智能如何帮助你完成任务？我真的很想知道如何使用它，我使用它的全部目的是帮助我数学并提出弱智的社交问题，例如“我应该等待多长时间才给朋友发短信，这样我就不会惹恼他们”和“请创建一个关于如何与某人交朋友的流程图”
>>109562011
ADHD is curable with energetic kinesiology or at least reducible by a vast amount but that's not technology, it's medicine.
多动症可以通过能量运动学来治愈，或者至少可以大大减少，但这不是技术，而是医学。
Maybe MertSM can fix it since it can fix autism
也许 MertSM 可以修复它，因为它可以修复自闭症
>>109562942
>did you have any scans or objective testing done in your diagnosis?
>您的诊断中是否进行过任何扫描或客观测试？
Aside from testing and comparing the effects of different medications, no.
除了测试和比较不同药物的效果之外，没有。
>or did you take a 3 minute quiz in a waiting room of vague questions that was entirely for insurance purposes before you were diagnosed and prescribed as an adult?
> 或者，在您作为成人被诊断并开处方之前，您是否在候诊室进行了 3 分钟的含糊问题测验，这些问题完全是出于保险目的？
Also not the case tho, more like 10 times an hour long session with a psychiatrist (so someone with a MD, not just some rando therapist) + interviews with parents to confirm I was suffering from the symptoms since childhood.
但情况也并非如此，更像是与精神科医生进行 10 次长达一小时的咨询（因此是拥有医学博士学位的人，而不仅仅是一些随机治疗师）+与父母的访谈，以确认我从小就患有这些症状。
>>109562097
It's always somewhat funny and somewhat depressing when people say shit like this.
当人们说这样的废话时，总是有点有趣又有点令人沮丧。
I've spend the last few hours putting off writing my thesis, the thing I'm supposed to do, but I simply can't bring myself to start. It's massively frustrating in a way neurotypical people wouldn't understand. It's not a: "Eh I don't feel like doing this so I won't do it right now" kind of procrastination, but a more of a "FUCK FUCK FUCK I really need to start why can't I just fucking start doing the thing" . Instead I wrote an exploit for a router, so I guess I'm not that retarded.
在过去的几个小时里，我一直在推迟写论文，这是我应该做的事情，但我就是无法让自己开始。这是非常令人沮丧的，神经质的人无法理解。这不是一种“呃，我不想做这件事，所以我现在不会做”的拖延，而是一种“操操操我真的需要开始为什么我不能开始做这件事”。相反，我为路由器编写了一个漏洞利用程序，所以我想我并没有那么弱智。
>>109562011
meds help.
药物有帮助。
>>109569115
meds fuck your shit up too. made a bunch of bad decisions I never would have made because of them
药物也让你操蛋。做出了一堆我永远不会因为它们而做出的错误决定
also this >>109567980
还有这个>>109567980
>>109568718
curing adhd would kill me. when i tried 50mg dose i felt like i died. i became hollow. then i got better. fixing adhd would kill my current qualia, the true self. it would be a murder.
治疗多动症会杀了我。当我尝试 50 毫克剂量时，我感觉自己死了。我变得空虚。然后我就好了。修复多动症会杀死我目前的感受性，即真实的自我。这将是一起谋杀案。
>>109569167
maybe you don't have adhd. for me low dose ritalin or vyvance helps tremendously with executive function(i.e. doing things and not getting distracted 2 seconds in).
也许你没有多动症。对我来说，低剂量的利他林或 vyvance 对执行功能有很大帮助（即做事并且 2 秒内不会分心）。
>>109569105
I mentioned procrastinating in one of my earlier post. I could deal with ir better as a kid. It was fucking funny because things I really liked. I could do with no issue but things like English (I'm also dyslexic) I would avoid like the plague... But for example math I used to enjoy it so much. I would actually solve problems from the math books we hadn't seen. I would get someone to explain it to me. Whats also hilarious these idiots think we are retarded. I literally skipped 2 grades. That shit got me into a depression tho. That's another story.
我在之前的一篇文章中提到过拖延。作为一个孩子，我可以更好地应对他们。这真是太有趣了，因为我真的很喜欢这些东西。我可以毫无问题地做，但像英语这样的事情（我也有诵读困难）我会像瘟疫一样避免......但是例如数学我曾经非常喜欢它。我实际上会解决我们没见过的数学书上的问题。我会找人向我解释一下。还有什么可笑的，这些白痴认为我们是弱智。我真的跳了两个年级。那件事让我陷入了抑郁症。那是另一个故事了。
>>109569167
Really? I felt meds just made me more compliant, I could actually focus and stick to a task. But felt it wasn't me.
真的吗？我觉得药物让我更加顺从，我实际上可以集中注意力并坚持完成任务。但感觉不是我。
before getting on meds, pay close attention to your current risk taking. then if you get the urge to make a more than minor life decision, stop yourself and get off the medication for a few months before going through with it. the "increased risk taking" side effect is not always as obvious and innocuous like buying a lottery ticket, but can be almost imperceptible 'little things' that add up. like being too open and unreserved with people and thinking that changing careers is viable when its really not.
在服用药物之前，请密切注意您当前所承担的风险。然后，如果您想要做出一个重大的人生决定，请停下来，停药几个月，然后再做出决定。 “增加冒险”的副作用并不总是像买彩票那样明显和无害，但可能是几乎难以察觉的“小事情”累积起来。就像对人过于开放和毫无保留，并认为改变职业是可行的，但实际上并不可行。
>>109569192
maybe your life just fucking sucks? incel, probably virgin. what do you even have to live for, anon? well that's your answer to procrastination. don't waste your time on pointless normie wagecucking.
也许你的生活真的很糟糕？ incel，可能是处女。你到底为了什么而活，阿昂？好吧，这就是你对拖延症的回答。不要把时间浪费在毫无意义的普通工资上。
>>109569199
>But felt it wasn't me.
>但感觉那不是我。
dose too high. i cannot take anything more than the minimum dose. also i developed tolerance to ritalin, coldturkied for a few months, now switched to vyvance.
剂量太高。我不能服用超过最低剂量的任何东西。我也对利他林产生了耐受性，冷火鸡吃了几个月，现在改用vyvance。
>>109569172
I've been on a couple I cycled that year through many to see which was the best for me. Took concerta 36 mg. That shit would not let me sleep at all and felt like a zombie. They we tried strattera which killed my sex drive and I literally couldn't get a boner when on it dropped immediately after that side effect. Ritalin was the best one for me 5mg. Similar effects to Concerta but not as awful.
那一年我骑了很多次自行车，看看哪一个最适合我。服用协奏曲 36 毫克。那东西根本不让我睡觉，感觉就像个僵尸。我们尝试了 strattera，它扼杀了我的性欲，而且在副作用发生后立即下降时，我简直无法忍受。利他林对我来说是最好的，5毫克。与协奏曲类似的效果，但没有那么糟糕。
>>109569207
what's so bad about risk taking? we live in a society. you're gonna forever be a beta cuck, you can only make it here by conning and gambling.
冒险有什么不好呢？我们生活在一个社会中。你将永远是一个贝塔混蛋，你只能通过欺骗和赌博才能到达这里。
i used to swtich jobs every 10 months, now i'm retired.
我以前每10个月就换一次工作，现在我退休了。
>>109569105
>I've spend the last few hours putting off writing my thesis, the thing I'm supposed to do, but I simply can't bring myself to start. It's massively frustrating in a way neurotypical people wouldn't understand. It's not a: "Eh I don't feel like doing this so I won't do it right now" kind of procrastination, but a more of a "FUCK FUCK FUCK I really need to start why can't I just fucking start doing the thing" . Instead I wrote an exploit for a router, so I guess I'm not that retarded.
>过去几个小时我一直在推迟写论文，这是我应该做的事情，但我就是无法让自己开始。这是非常令人沮丧的，神经质的人无法理解。这不是一种“呃，我不想做这件事，所以我现在不会做”的拖延，而是一种“操操操我真的需要开始为什么我不能开始做这件事”。相反，我为路由器编写了一个漏洞利用程序，所以我想我并没有那么弱智。
me for the past like month and a half until i had to get an extension
我过去一个半月，直到我不得不延期
i handed it in yesterday though, albeit 4 hours late still
我昨天就交了，虽然还是晚了4个小时
at least its over, worst experience of my life
至少结束了，我一生中最糟糕的经历
im assuming the meds dont work for you then if you still have this problem... or...?
我假设药物对你不起作用，那么如果你仍然有这个问题......或者......？
>>109569227
way way before i got access to meds, i just compensated with risktaking to make stakes high and situation engaging.
早在我获得药物之前，我只是通过冒险来补偿，以提高赌注和参与情况。
i'd just ask chatgpt to make the thesis, rewrite it and hope to not get caught. i almost never got caught and when i got caught i'd improvise a plan b.
我只是要求chatgpt 写论文，重写并希望不要被抓住。我几乎从未被抓到，当我被抓到时，我会即兴制定一个B计划。
>>109562097
>Adhd is just mental retardation but with a nicer name
>多动症只是智力低下，但有一个更好听的名字
I was always like this and I'm not retarded. I have a slighly above average IQ, I just have a very hard time staying focused, but sometimes I'm extremely focused on odd stuff. Having a brain like that is tiring, I'm always stressed, if stuff pissed me off, I can't even think about anything else and even if I manage to focus for a while, I always do side tracking, but then I even forget the thing I wanted to do research on. I hate this shit so so so much.
我一直都是这样，我并不迟钝。我的智商略高于平均水平，我只是很难保持专注，但有时我会非常专注于奇怪的事情。有这样的大脑很累，我总是有压力，如果有事情让我生气，我什至无法思考其他事情，即使我能集中注意力一段时间，我总是做侧向追踪，但后来我什至忘记了我想研究的东西。我非常非常非常讨厌这个狗屎。
>>109569227
>at least its over, worst experience of my life
>至少结束了，我一生中最糟糕的经历
and what will you get out of it? nothing? no wonder you couldn't force yourself to do it.
你会从中得到什么？没有什么？难怪你无法强迫自己这么做。
ADHD is just hunter-gatherer brain. we're not built for graincucking. we're built to survive in a chaotic wilderness.
ADHD 只是狩猎采集者的大脑。我们不是为吃谷物而生的。我们生来就是为了在混乱的荒野中生存。
so lean into your strengths and learn to con people, take risks and believe you can improvise. because you probably can. nothing wrong with winging it if you can do that consistently. but you have to not be normie cattle.
因此，发挥自己的优势，学会欺骗别人，承担风险，并相信自己可以即兴发挥。因为你可能可以。如果你能始终如一地做到这一点，即兴发挥并没有什么错。但你不能成为普通的牛。
The "ADHD is just mental retardation" idiots can't explain how ADHDers do smart work while they procrastinate or slip deadlines or generally remain dysfunctional in execution and planning
“注意力缺陷多动症只是智力迟钝”的白痴无法解释注意力缺陷多动症患者如何在拖延或拖延最后期限或在执行和计划中通常保持功能失调的情况下完成聪明的工作
>>109569275
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>>109569271
>>109569216
Kek, both post are mine... Define sucks? Because materially I'm set. Literally born into fuck you money. I have most things a lot of anons wish they could have. I've traveled had many relationships through my life and my gf is living with me now. I could be a nepo baby and get placed in a company or start something. But I don't feel inclined to. Some times I wage cuck with the normies because I like socializing and get extremely bored. I also feel it forces some structure into my life. Sometimes I feel like I'm drifting. I can't find something that completely interest me. But I do think my life sucks. I feel there is no purpose...
Kek，这两个帖子都是我的...定义很糟糕？因为物质上我已经准备好了。简直就是生来就是为了钱而生的。我拥有很多匿名人士希望拥有的大部分东西。我一生中结识过很多朋友，我的女朋友现在和我住在一起。我可以成为一个尼波宝宝，被安置在一家公司或开始做某事。但我觉得不太愿意。有时我会和普通人打交道，因为我喜欢社交并且感到非常无聊。我也觉得它迫使我的生活有了一些结构。有时我感觉自己在漂流。我找不到我完全感兴趣的东西。但我确实觉得我的生活很糟糕。感觉没有什么目的...
>thank you for reading my blog post
>感谢您阅读我的博客文章
>>109569271
Hadn't read your post. It gave me some hope.
没读过你的帖子。它给了我一些希望。
>>109569281
>Define sucks?
>定义很糟糕？
no, you define it. i didn't just insult you, i want you to examine your situation yourself. what do *you* actually want, right now? to answer, to even ask that is what it means to not be normiecattle.
不，你定义它。我不只是侮辱你，我想让你自己审视一下自己的处境。现在*你*真正想要什么？去回答，甚至去问，这就是不成为普通牛的意义。
>>109562809
I'd rather have ADHD than the disorder that makes me goad for attention. That legitimately seems like a hellish compulsion.
我宁愿患有多动症，也不愿患上那种让我注意力不集中的疾病。这看起来像是一种地狱般的强迫。
>>109569325
a vulnerable narcissist, are we? you feel like you're inadequate? not enough validation? they don't respect you?
我们是一个脆弱的自恋者，是吗？你觉得自己不够格吗？验证不够？他们不尊重你？
>>109569334
I think you meant to click the post I was replying to.
我想你的意思是点击我正在回复的帖子。
>>109569310
Currently I'm wage cucking with the normies because after six months of basically doing nothing but reading books and some other meaningless projects that I freelanced to not feel like I was wasting my time (because normies have programmed us to feel that way). The only goal I have at the moment is to get into it networking in this company. I started to read books on it. I was more into programming. So that's the current goal at the moment let's see how long it last till I get bored. Make get a cert on Edx but I'm not sure yet.
目前，我正在和普通人打工资，因为在六个月后，除了读书和其他一些无意义的项目之外，我基本上什么都不做，我自由职业，不再觉得自己在浪费时间（因为普通人已经让我们有这种感觉）。我目前唯一的目标就是在这家公司建立人际网络。我开始阅读这方面的书籍。我更喜欢编程。这就是目前的目标，让我们看看它能持续多久直到我感到无聊。在 Edx 上获得证书，但我还不确定。
>>109569227
>im assuming the meds dont work for you then if you still have this problem... or...?
>我假设药物对你不起作用，那么如果你仍然有这个问题......或者......？
Nah the meds work, but they're not a complete cure.
药物虽然有效，但并不能完全治愈。
They help me stay focused on the task when I start and not get distracted.
它们帮助我在开始时专注于任务，不会分心。
They don't help that much against the executive dysfunction tho. In that regard they're only part of the equation. Most of the time I still have to do all the right things for things to work. Like eleminate distractions from my evironment. But thar makes it very easy to fall into the trap of focusing on that as the task I'm going to do. Thinking "Oh, I'll just tidy up my desk and then get to work" and then spending the next few hours cleaning.
不过，它们对于对抗执行功能障碍并没有多大帮助。在这方面，它们只是等式的一部分。大多数时候，我仍然必须做所有正确的事情才能让事情顺利进行。就像消除环境中的干扰一样。但这样很容易让我陷入把注意力集中在我要做的任务上的陷阱。想着“哦，我会收拾一下我的办公桌，然后开始工作”，然后在接下来的几个小时里打扫卫生。
I noticed that going into the office helps in that aspect (I'm doing my thesis in combination with an internship at a TLD), because all those tasks are either already taken care of (I don't have to tidy my desk first, we have a clean-desk policy so there is nothing on it and cleaning it is not my job). But it's sunday so the office is closed
我注意到进入办公室在这方面有所帮助（我正在结合 TLD 的实习做我的论文），因为所有这些任务要么已经完成（我不必先清理我的办公桌，我们有一个干净的办公桌政策，所以上面没有任何东西，清洁它不是我的工作）。但今天是周日所以办公室休息
>>109569248
> i just compensated with risktaking to make stakes high and situation engaging
> 我只是通过冒险来补偿，以提高赌注和情境的吸引力
Yeah I used to do that too (and still kinda do), but that started working less and less as the tasks became too big to fit in one or two all-nighters.
是的，我曾经也这样做过（现在仍然这样做），但是随着任务变得太大而无法容纳一两个通宵，这种工作开始变得越来越少。
>>109569366
i dunno that sounds like you're procrastinating on whatever you actually want to do with your life. or you're just a shallow man(nothing wrong with that).
我不知道这听起来像是你在拖延你真正想做的事情。或者你只是一个肤浅的人（这没什么问题）。
>>109569271
>>109569275
>and what will you get out of it? nothing? no wonder you couldn't force yourself to do it.
>你会从中得到什么？没有什么？难怪你无法强迫自己这么做。
Yeah basically
是的，基本上
over the period of time i was supposed to be doing my paper i made a thing to mtl doujins for me attached to lanraragi and also made a db for everything on exhentai. doing a lot of stuff
在我应该写论文的那段时间里，我为我在 mtl doujins 上制作了一个东西，附加到 lanraragi 上，并且还为 exhentai 上的所有内容制作了一个数据库。做很多事情
the worst part is when i have other stuff like the thesis to do, i sometimes put off the productive stuff i want to do because it is just too much of an investment and i recognize i should be using that invested time to be working on what i need to instead.
最糟糕的是，当我有其他像论文这样的事情要做时，我有时会推迟我想做的富有成效的事情，因为这是一项太多的投资，而且我认识到我应该利用投入的时间来做我需要做的事情。
But it doesn't result in me working on what i need to, so then i just end up doing low effort non productive things instead.
但这并没有导致我做我需要做的事情，所以我最终只是做一些低努力、非生产性的事情。
Ironically, or i guess fittingly, I don't have much of a problem when it comes to working at a job because i can just think about how im directly getting paid a salary for doing whatever I'm doing. That said the amount of work has to match the amount i'm getting paid... a working environment helps a lot too... and the thought of recognition, but that's kinda the same as getting paid, it's got to be recognition i intend to actually capitalize on in the future anyway.
具有讽刺意味的是，或者我认为，在工作方面，我没有太大问题，因为我可以考虑我如何通过做我正在做的事情直接获得薪水。也就是说，工作量必须与我获得的报酬相匹配……工作环境也有很大帮助……以及认可的想法，但这与获得报酬有点相同，无论如何，这必须是我打算在未来真正利用的认可。
>>109569399
I'm not shallow, I'm actually pretty down to earth and avoid flexing or showing my privelges irl. Here I'm just some random. Everything I typed out could be bs or it could be full blown honesty for all you know. Like I said I get interested (networking at the moment) in something normally master it. Then drop it. With a few highs and lows in between. Idk dude, I do procastine I'm not dying that. But I get existential. What's the purpose? Everything is finite. But I won't get into a philosophical rant.
我并不肤浅，实际上我很脚踏实地，避免弯曲或展示我的特权。这里我只是一些随机的。我输入的所有内容可能是废话，也可能是完全诚实的。就像我说的，我对通常掌握它的东西感兴趣（目前是网络）。然后扔掉它。其间有一些高潮和低谷。我不知道，伙计，我确实有普卡斯蒂，我不会死的。但我变得存在主义。目的是什么？一切都是有限的。但我不会陷入哲学咆哮。
>>109569463
Denying that *
否认*
>>109569441
hunter gatherer brain knows "working on what i need to" is a spook forced upon you by some asshole you should hit in the head with a stone axe.
狩猎采集者的大脑知道“做我需要做的事情”是一个被某个混蛋强加给你的幽灵，你应该用石斧敲打你的头。
figure out what you actually need. not what you should do, but what you need to survive and win. do that. and do what you actually want to do in the spare time. and never do what you're "supposed to be doing".
弄清楚你真正需要什么。不是你应该做什么，而是你生存和获胜所需要的。这样做。并在空闲时间做你真正想做的事情。并且永远不要做你“应该做的”事情。
>>109569463
well, what is the purpose? don't go philosophical. just ask yourself what you want to do. you don't need to justify yourself to me. just be honest with yourself. what are you doing? are you happy? would you rather be somewhere else? someone else?
那么，目的是什么？不要陷入哲学。问问自己你想做什么。你不需要向我证明自己的合理性。对自己诚实。你在干什么？你快乐吗？你宁愿去别的地方吗？他人？
>>109562011
>ADHD brain looks awesome
>多动症大脑看起来棒极了
Nice.
>>109568077
This is what claude code looks like when it's been installed on a terminal. It's got the ability to run scripts locally, and it's easier to manage the context window since it's hosted locally. If you want, you could try a project called LifeOS. danielmiessler/LifeOS on github. Been using it for a couple days, it's been nice.
这就是克劳德代码安装在终端上时的样子。它能够在本地运行脚本，并且由于它在本地托管，因此更容易管理上下文窗口。如果你愿意，你可以尝试一个名为 LifeOS 的项目。 github 上的 Danielmiessler/LifeOS。使用了几天了，感觉不错。
>>109562015
oh now its internet addiction. lmao fucking kill yourself
哦，现在是网络成瘾了。 lmao他妈的自杀吧
>>109562102
100%
>>109562632
>>109562442
you don't know jack shit kys
你不知道杰克狗屎凯斯
>>109567591
>because they fried their dopamine receptors scrolling tiktok.
>因为他们滚动抖音来炸毁他们的多巴胺受体。
I don't think its that specifically but I do believe they've trained themselves to not have the ability to just stop. My mother is a fucking boomer and she is constantly looking at the phone now. Its not about friend dopamine its literally just training yourself to just always be doing something.
我不这么认为，但我确实相信他们已经训练自己没有能力停下来。我妈妈是个他妈的婴儿潮一代，她现在一直在看手机。这与朋友多巴胺无关，它实际上只是训练自己永远在做某事。
>>109562810
These people do not understand how it effects people because they appear normal and the only side effects they hear about are very minor. If you live with someone who has it like a gf or something they'll tell you how retarded you act/forget shit. Good example of this is people do tend to forget things on occasions when they are told. However if they've ever dealt or had adhd they'd know its almost like dealing with a fucking dementia patient with zero short term memory.
这些人不明白它如何影响人们，因为他们看起来很正常，而且他们听到的唯一副作用非常轻微。如果你和一个有类似女朋友之类的人住在一起，他们会告诉你你的行为有多迟钝/忘记了狗屎。一个很好的例子是，人们有时确实会在被告知时忘记事情。然而，如果他们曾经处理过或患有多动症，他们就会知道这几乎就像处理一个短期记忆为零的痴呆症患者一样。
>>109566370
1000% AI has been a massive fucking help.
1000% AI 真是一个巨大的帮助。
>>109565900
>Methamphetamine calms their brains down, where it excites normies' brains.
>甲基苯丙胺可以使他们的大脑平静下来，而它可以使正常人的大脑兴奋。
Lol, I cannot believe retards still believe this
哈哈，我不敢相信智障仍然相信这一点
ADHDs != autists. They often appear together, but one thing that's true for pure ADHDs is that they have quite expressive reactions without having to do mentally exhausting masking. They can use voice speed and pitch to put in emphasis, use gestures and mimics, and they feel good about themselves AFTER social encounters, while autists might still manage to do some of these, but feel exhausted like crap.
ADHD！=自闭症患者。他们经常一起出现，但对于纯粹的注意力缺陷多动症来说，确实的一件事是，他们的反应非常富有表现力，而不必费力地进行掩饰。他们可以利用语速和音调来强调，使用手势和模仿，在社交活动后他们自我感觉良好，而自闭症患者可能仍然能做到其中一些，但会感到筋疲力尽。
>t. pure ADHD with hyperfixations
>t。纯 ADHD 伴过度注视
>>109570615
Oh, and another thing.
哦，还有一件事。
With ADHDs they can switch from one topic to another. I went from American Civil War to Colorblindness to Age of Pirates Currency Exchanges to Programming to Modern Geopolitics to Predator Sting Operations to Criminal Law, and yet I wouldn't want to go back to any of them because it feels like I have gotten everything I wanted out of them.
患有多动症的人可以从一个话题切换到另一个话题。我从美国内战到色盲到海盗时代货币兑换到编程到现代地缘政治到掠夺者诱捕行动到刑法，但我不想再回到其中任何一个，因为感觉我已经从它们那里得到了我想要的一切。
With autists these interests are a lot more stable and long-term, to the point where it becomes an aspect of their personality. I can talk shit about a lot of things, but I wouldn't ever think of myself as a master in currency exchanges of the 17th and 18th centuries; it's just something interesting to ramble about.
对于自闭症患者来说，这些兴趣更加稳定和长期，甚至成为他们个性的一个方面。我可以说很多事情，但我绝不会认为自己是17、18世纪货币兑换的大师；这只是一些有趣的闲聊。
>>109570615
so how does the being unfocused thing work with you?
那么注意力不集中对你来说是怎样的呢？
as an autist I often can be unfocused, because my focus is currently on something else or I'm still switching my focus to something new which is slow for me - autistic brains claw deep into a task and struggle to get loose again
作为一名自闭症患者，我经常无法集中注意力，因为我的注意力目前集中在其他事情上，或者我仍在将注意力转移到新的事情上，这对我来说很慢——自闭症患者的大脑会深入完成一项任务，并努力再次摆脱束缚
>>109565900
>>109570599
it's important to point out that meth and ritalin are not the same thing
需要指出的是，冰毒和利他林不是同一种东西
>>109570642
>so how does the being unfocused thing work with you?
> 那么，注意力不集中的现象对你来说是怎样的呢？
That's the thing, there are periods of intense focus for literal months, and everything's great during these. But then you suddenly lose interest - like, someone suggesting you make a career out of it. Like, bitch, I don't want to be FORCED into my interests.
事情就是这样，有几个月的时间是高度集中注意力的，在这段时间里一切都很棒。但随后你突然失去了兴趣——就像有人建议你以此为职业。就像，婊子，我不想被迫从事我的兴趣。
And once you lose any interest you can barely go back. It's like, there's an irrational aversion I cannot fight, I get bored, procrastinate, try literally everything to distract me, but it's still there in the back of my mind.
一旦你失去了兴趣，你就很难再回去了。就好像，有一种我无法对抗的非理性厌恶，我感到无聊，拖延，尝试一切来分散我的注意力，但它仍然存在于我的脑海中。
how are you guys on alcohol?
你们喝酒怎么样？
i find i still have strong inhibitions and i can't really do something embarrassing and forget
我发现我还是有很强的压抑感，我真的不能做一些令人尴尬的事情然后忘记
do people lie when they say they got blackout drunk?
当人们说自己喝醉了昏迷时，他们会撒谎吗？
as for adhd i found that
至于多动症，我发现
when it comes to programming, meds can't help willy-nilly
当谈到编程时，无论愿意与否，药物都无济于事
you have to start right and then it works as it should, otherwise you tend to hang up on the non essential things like the build process or spending too much time trying to get the perfect solution
你必须从正确的开始，然后它才能正常工作，否则你往往会陷入非必要的事情，例如构建过程或花费太多时间试图获得完美的解决方案
>>109570665
yeah my room can be summed up as a graveyard of hobbies
是的，我的房间可以概括为兴趣爱好的墓地
- midi keyboard
- MIDI键盘
- soldering iron setup
- 烙铁设置
- calligraphy tools
- 书法工具
- socket set
- 插座组
- treadmill
- 跑步机
- sewing machine
- 缝纫机
not to mention the countless started coding projects
更不用说无数开始的编码项目
it's weird how hard it is to go back
奇怪的是回去有多难
>>109570665
I do this for weeks or months sometimes, it's gone on for years since my teenage years. It's hell. Some projects from 3-4 years ago I still think about in the shower or that come in conversations like they were yesterday.
有时我会这样做几周或几个月，从我十几岁开始，这种情况已经持续了好几年。这是地狱。一些 3-4 年前的项目我仍然会在洗澡时想起，或者在谈话中想起，就像昨天一样。
>>109570705
>do people lie when they say they got blackout drunk?
>人们说自己喝醉了昏迷时会撒谎吗？
no they just got way more drunk than you're getting
不，他们只是喝得比你醉得多
anyway it's not really fun don't do it
无论如何，这并不是很有趣，不要这样做
>>109570851
thing about forgetting things when you're drunk is not knowing if you did or not unless someone tells you, and i have no friends.
喝醉酒后忘记事情的原因是不知道自己是否忘记了，除非有人告诉你，而我没有朋友。
No idea why people talk about drugs to "cure" ADHD in this thread, the idea in OP was clearly to try and mitigate it through technology, so things like programs, apps, smart devices, and so on and build a healthy lifestyle of routine habits out of them.
不知道为什么人们在这个帖子中谈论药物来“治愈”多动症，OP 的想法显然是尝试通过技术来缓解它，比如程序、应用程序、智能设备等，并从中建立一种健康的生活方式。
>>109570925
if he wants technology to fix it then it better not involve anything even remotely related to the attention economy
如果他希望技术能够解决这个问题，那么最好不要涉及任何与注意力经济无关的事情
that means offline devices, preferably as far removed from the internet as possible
这意味着离线设备，最好尽可能远离互联网
they should be self-contained too, no having to hop onto the computer to tweak or analyze things
它们也应该是独立的，无需跳到计算机上来调整或分析事物
>>109570705
only time i can hold a conversation about random shit like a normal person is when i'm drunk
只有当我喝醉的时候我才能像正常人一样谈论一些随机的事情
>>109562011
I would pick up running 30 minutes every day that'll probably help your situation more than any technology could ever do
我会每天跑步 30 分钟，这可能比任何技术都更能帮助你解决问题
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