They dominated GPUs and now are on the AI and OEM path while leaving end users lacking features and performance.
他们曾经统治GPU市场，现在走AI和OEM路线，结果给终端用户留下了功能和性能上的短板。
Radeon到底出了啥问题？
They dominated GPUs and now are on the AI and OEM path while leaving end users lacking features and performance.
他们曾经统治GPU市场，现在走AI和OEM路线，结果给终端用户留下了功能和性能上的短板。
>>109427274
They're a business like any other. Good guy AMD is not your friend and neither is Jenson Leather Jacket Man.
他们也就是个普通公司。好哥们AMD不是你的朋友，皮衣老黄也不是。
Just buy the best GPU at the best price for your use-case.
就按你的使用场景，买性价比最好的GPU就完了。
>>109427274
there's nothing wrong with them if you don't care about goytracing and goylss
只要你不在乎光追和大力水手这种玩意儿，它们没啥毛病。
People who dislike AMD are gaymer losers on windows. If you ever used Linux or FreeBSD you'd know that AMD drivers are better, you don't really have to install them and they work out of the box. And AMD is actually more performant for Linux. Also for stuff like X-Plane AMD is arguably better.
不喜欢AMD的都是Windows上的基佬游戏废宅。你要是用过Linux或者FreeBSD，你就知道AMD驱动更好，基本不用装，开箱即用。而且AMD在Linux上性能其实更强。像X-Plane这种，AMD可以说更有优势。
>>109427297
If you get a 9070 XT it's actually great at ray tracing. It sucks at path tracing though.
你要是买个9070 XT，光追其实挺强的。不过路径追踪就很拉胯了。
>>109427297
>goytacing and goylss
>光追和大力水手
I don't even do gaming, but can't stand their shitty RoCM stack
我压根不玩游戏，但受不了他们那破ROCm栈。
>>109427301
ROCm is just a custom fork of LLVM with a couple of extra libraries.
ROCm就是LLVM的一个定制分支，加上几个额外的库而已。
If you can't stand it then you probably don't even understand the thing you're criticising. It's perfectly fine as long as your hardware is supported.
你要是受不了，那你八成都不懂你在黑的是什么。只要你的硬件受支持，它完全没问题。
They're slowly addressing the hardware support issue too:
他们也在慢慢解决硬件支持的问题：
>>109427274
>What went so wrong
>到底出了啥问题
It didn't. It's just their strategy
没出问题。就是他们的策略而已。
>>109427299
It's not 2016 anymore. AMD GPUs only have driverse ootb as if you didn't even install packages after first boot.
现在不是2016年了。AMD GPU开箱驱动就是这种状态，好像你第一次启动后根本没装包似的。
Nvidia is flawless nowadays. GPU crashes on AMD are not rare either.
Nvidia现在完美无缺。AMD显卡崩溃也不是稀罕事。
>>109427319
That's the thing with AMD, they're always "going to", "working on". I but a GPU to do stuff, not to think about what might be able to do.
AMD就是这样，永远在“打算”、“正在弄”。我买GPU是为了干活，不是去想它可能能干啥。
>>109427299
>People who dislike AMD are gaymer losers on windows.
>不喜欢AMD的都是Windows上的基佬游戏废宅。
Yeah I am a free-chad till using an RX580 simply because the very few games I play on Linux dont need more than an RX580.
是啊，我用RX580的自由人，纯粹因为我玩的极少数Linux游戏不需要比RX580更强的卡。
>>109427274
Sneaky chink boss who's related to the other sneaky chink boss. AMD and Nvidia are two cheeks of the same ass.
那两个鬼精的黄皮老板是一伙的，AMD和Nvidia就是同一根屁股的两半。
>>109427327
>Nvidia is flawless nowadays
>现在的Nvidia毫无瑕疵
You're a fucking retard who has no idea what they're talking about.
你他妈就是个傻逼，根本不懂自己在说什么。
>>109427327
>I but a GPU to do stuff, not to think about what might be able to do.
>我买GPU是为了干活，不是去想它还能干啥。
If you buy a new AMDGPU it will support ROCm. The people that bang on about the hardware support are people with old Radeon VII cards, etc, that would still like to use it.
你要买新的AMDGPU，它肯定支持ROCm。那些整天吐槽硬件支持的人，都是拿着老款Radeon VII之类的卡，还想着继续用而已。
>>109427299
>you don't really have to install them
>其实你根本不用装那些东西
what a bizarre take
这想法真够怪的
>>109427274
I've used AMD gpus for around ten years now and never really had a problem with them (other than shit not supporting AMD which isn't really their fault) until very recently with my 7900xtx when I had to roll back several generations of drivers to stop random crashes. Now it's completely fine, but having to figure that out was a pain in the ass, and fuck knows when it'll be safe to update again.
我用AMD显卡差不多十年了，几乎没出过啥大问题（除了有些玩意不支持AMD，那也不是他们的错），直到最近买了7900xtx，为了不随机崩溃，我得回滚好几代驱动。现在倒是彻底没问题了，但当时得自己排查真的是烦死了，天知道啥时候能安全更新。
Power hungry flagships. 7900xtx traded blows with the 4080S but needed ~19% more electricity. Also, bad press and public perception of their drivers and software support (moreso for windows games, I know amd have great Linux driver).
功耗夸张的旗舰卡。7900xtx跟4080S有来有回，但要多耗大概19%的电。还有，驱动和软件支持的负面新闻和公众印象太差了（尤其是Windows游戏这块，我知道AMD的Linux驱动很好）。
>>109427287
This, AMD is not customer friendly anymore. This is why I bought Nvidia, if both company is bad you might as well buy the better product.
就是这样，AMD已经不再站在用户这边了。这就是我买Nvidia的原因，要是两家都烂，那还不如买更好的产品。
>>109427299
Truth Nuke, also RADV is coming to windows.
真理核弹，而且RADV要登录Windows了。
>>109427297
Blender heavily uses ray tracing.
Blender重度依赖光追。
>>109427336
>>109427340
Samefag
>If you buy a new AMDGPU it will support ROCm.
>买新的AMDGPU就会支持ROCm
Is not about GPUs supporting RoCM, but RoCM not supporting shit, if it was assured that X thingy will be supported with good performance, sure, it just works, but often it isn't the case. Even if they have been adding support lately with shitty performance, does not change the fact they spent a decade not caring about it. Tried to cheap out by paying a developed for zluda, went south, then tried releasing orochi, it just flopped. Now they're finally doing development themselves but mostly they stay on promises, it will need YEARS yet, Radeon is playing catching up.
问题不是GPU支不支持ROCm，而是ROCm根本啥都不支持，要是能保证某个东西被支持且性能好，那当然没问题，能直接跑，但往往不是这样。就算他们最近在加支持，但性能烂得可以，也改变不了他们十年都不鸟这事的现实。当初想省钱，找了个开发者搞ZLuda，结果黄了，然后又出Orochi，直接扑街。现在他们总算自己搞了，但大多还是嘴上承诺，还得再等好几年，Radeon永远在追赶。
Remember when AMD users were so against AI and now they're sucking its cock? Don't give me the bullshit AMD listen to their customers.
还记得AMD用户以前多反对AI吗？现在又跪舔了？别跟我扯AMD会听用户的鬼话。
>>109427487
>RADV is coming to Windows
>RADV要登录Windows
But is not there TODAY, is it?
但今天还没上，对吧？
>>109427274
cousin business deals
亲戚间搞的生意合作
>>109427635
costing (you) 92 watts
让你多耗92瓦电
>>109427635
It could be good for media encoding.
做视频编码还行。
>>109427274
The problem is that they're competing directly with Nvidia which are steering the GPU and 3d industry in a direction that benefits them and disadvantages AMD at every turn
问题在于他们直接跟Nvidia硬杠，而Nvidia把GPU和3D行业往对自己有利的方向带，每一步都在坑AMD。
>>109427660
>AMD
>ENCODING
You're way better off with Apple and Intel for that.
那方面你还是买苹果或者Intel更靠谱。
>>109427299
I agree that AMD drivers are best when AMD themselves are not writing them
我同意，AMD驱动最好的时候就是他们自己不写驱动的时候
>>109427672
Idiot.
>>109427274
They're still making a good buck from consoles.
他们靠主机还是赚得盆满钵满。
>>109427274
Zen happened and they chose to deprioritize Radeon since every 1mm2 of silicon sold as an epyc or x3d CPU earns them 10x-100x more in revenue
Zen出来后，他们就把Radeon降了优先级，因为每一平方毫米硅片拿来当EPYC或X3D CPU卖，赚的钱是显卡的10到100倍。
>>109427594
>Is not about GPUs supporting RoCM, but RoCM not supporting shit, if it was assured that X thingy will be supported with good performance, sure, it just works, but often it isn't the case.
不是GPU不支持RoCM，而是RoCM根本不支持什么玩意儿，如果能保证某样东西会得到良好性能的支持，那当然没问题，直接就能用，但往往不是这种情况。
That's not exactly AMD's fault though. They maintain forks of some stuff but a lot of things are on the community to support just as they do for NVIDIA.
但这其实不完全是AMD的错。他们维护了一些东西的分支，但很多东西要社区来支持，就像他们为NVIDIA做的那样。
>>109427686
stay mad
继续气吧
>>109427594
>But is not there TODAY, is it?
>但今天还没有，不是吗？
No and I don't care about your gay brand worshiping. My old rig has an Intel CPU and an Nvidia card, my current rig has AMD x AMD. I was just replying to the Gnu/Linux / BSD anon. And apparently RADV is decent and they want to port it to WIndows.
没有，我也不在乎你那幼稚的品牌崇拜。我的旧机子是Intel CPU加Nvidia显卡，现在的机子是AMD加AMD。我只是在回复那个Gnu/Linux / BSD的老哥。而且很明显RADV还不错，他们想把它移植到Windows。
>>109427825
*Stay AMD*
*坚持AMD*
>>109427660
Intel ARC is better
Intel ARC更好
>>109427274
I miss when it was called ATI
我怀念它还叫ATI的时候
>>109427660
...is this satire? all hardware encoders are shit, but amd vce is the shittiest.
……这是讽刺吗？所有硬件编码器都是垃圾，但AMD VCE是最垃圾的。
>>109427299
>People who dislike AMD are gaymer losers on windows.
>不喜欢AMD的都是Windows上的基佬游戏废宅。
I'm a gaymer loser on Windows and I like AMD
我是个Windows上的游戏宅，我喜欢AMD
>>109427274
Nothing, my 9070 XT is great
没啥问题，我的9070 XT很棒
>>109427274
Nothing went wrong—AI is just more profitable. If you want better support you have to compete in the free market for it—there is no free lunch.
没出什么错——AI只是更赚钱而已。你想要更好的支持就得在自由市场里竞争——天下没有免费的午餐。
>>109427588
what decade is this? eevee is a thing
这什么年代了？eevee都出来了
>>109427287
Fpbp
>>109427274
>They dominated GPUs
>他们主导了GPU市场
nigger, are you retarded?
尼哥，你是智障吗？
>>109427299
>2026
>Using nvidia card
>用Nvidia显卡
>running on linux
>跑Linux
>it just works.
>直接就能用。
I don't see the problem here, grandpa.
我没看出问题在哪，老爷爷。
>>109428985
>Aug 2026
>Using two different gen nvidia cards
>用两代不同的Nvidia显卡
>running on linux mint
>跑Linux Mint
>it just works.
>直接就能用。
indeed
>>109428277
>I'm a gaymer loser on Windows and I like AMD
>我是个Windows上的游戏宅，我喜欢AMD
drag your drive into a folder on a new linux and join the speeeeeeeeed
把你的硬盘拖进新Linux的文件夹里，加入速度狂潮吧
>>109428765
They did, but as ATI and in 2002-2004
他们确实主导过，但那是作为ATI，在2002到2004年间
>>109429400
>ATI
that's a name i haven't heard of in a long time
这名字好久没听过了
>Sapphire Radeon 9250
>蓝宝石Radeon 9250
>Computer screen behaving weird and irratic
>电脑屏幕行为怪异且不稳定
>see a thin smoke trail appearing from the desktop
>看到一股细烟从桌面冒出来
>the fuck?
>什么鬼？
>found out that a small microprocessor on the card burnt out
>发现卡上一个小微处理器烧了
>>109427635
>1080p players
>1080p播放器
>poor country
>穷国家
>steam cube
steam立方体
>The waffer has lot chip defect
>晶圆上很多芯片缺陷
>>109429429
>9250
No shit, it's a passively cooled bottom tier 64-bit garbage.
废话，这是个无风扇散热的低端64位垃圾货。
9800 Pro and later the XT were raping Nvidia so hard it woke Huang up, and beginning with the Geforce 8 series, ATI/AMD never won the performance crown again in the same generation.
9800 Pro和后来的XT把Nvidia按在地上摩擦，摩擦得老黄都醒了，从Geforce 8系列开始，ATI/AMD再也没在同一代拿回过性能王座。
>>109427274
Ryzens give more margins to AMD (74mm2 chiplets are easy to manufacture so they are extremely cheap to produce but they can sell it at very high price, especially for EPYCs) so they focus on that instead.
Ryzen给AMD带来更多利润（74mm²的chiplet很容易制造，所以生产成本极低，但能卖很高价，尤其是EPYC），所以他们把重点放在那上面。
That's all that happened. GPUs and APUs all got shafted. For APUs it's so bad they keep using RDNA3.5 for something like 2030, which sucks because the 8600G is finally good enough, just one more speed jump and it would be perfect.
就这么回事。GPU和APU全被冷落了。APU惨到什么程度，他们一直用RDNA3.5用到2030年左右，这很烂，因为8600G终于够好了，就差再来一次速度提升就完美了。
>>109427299
outdated copypasta. I use asrock 7900xtx on gentoo and the fucking amdgpu driver does not reveal the fan_control API even with all power profile features enabled. Absolute peice of shit wants to cook itself, idles at 60° C.
过时老梗。我在Gentoo上用asrock 7900xtx，他妈的amdgpu驱动就是不暴露fan_control API，哪怕开了所有电源配置文件也一样。这破玩意儿想把自己烤熟，待机60°C。
On the other hand, I also run a 5070 ti with LACT on Fedora and could not be happier with its performance.
另一方面，我还在Fedora上用LACT跑5070 ti，性能方面不能更满意了。
>>109427274
>They dominated GPUs
>他们主导了GPU市场
Nani?
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