$3000
Linus Won.
林纳斯赢了。
Framework 13 Pro - 评论家们称其为有史以来最好的笔记本电脑
>>109387469
Intel is proprietary. AMD has OpenSIL.
英特尔是专有的。AMD 有 OpenSIL。
>>109387469
also still no PCB schematics open to public
而且至今没有向公众开放 PCB 原理图
they are high quality toy with a clever marketing/pr trick
它们只是做工不错、营销/套路玩得巧妙的玩具
>>109387469
>NOO ITS TOO FUNCTIONAL THAT IS NOT THE LINUX WAY
>>109387453
Not giving indians any money, I'd rather buy a macbook, the M-series are actually good
不给印度佬一分钱，我宁愿买 Macbook，M 系列确实不错
I find it funny how linuxtards can only post their desktop because linux is good for fuck all else
我觉得挺搞笑的，Linux 键盘侠们只能晒桌面，因为 Linux 干别的简直屁用没有
>>109387453
$3000 for plastic shit
三千美元买个塑料垃圾
Even HP gayming lapptops are better at this point.
就算惠普的游戏本在这点上都比这强。
>yet another framework thread
>又一个 Framework 主题帖
>yet another half dozen comments already from racist freetarded chinovo thinkshitters
>又来半打评论，全是来自种族主义自由蠢货“中国制造”脑残粉的喷子
>framework continues to win
>Framework 继续赢
>framework continues to sell
>Framework 继续卖
>framework continues to deliver
>Framework 继续交付
You lost. It's over. Doubling down at this point (5 years in) is just pathetic. Who the fuck cares that the retard Linus invested? Yes, I hate him too. Who the fuck cares that the founder and CEO has heritage from the Indian subcontinent (despite being fully American and oh, way more successful than you or I will ever be)? And yes, I hate India too.
你输了。结束了。这时候还硬撑（都五年了）纯属可悲。去他妈的林纳斯那脑残投资人。是的，我也恨他。去他妈的创始人兼 CEO 有印度次大陆血统（尽管他完全是美国人，而且 Oh，比你我厉害一万倍）？是的，我也恨印度。
It is undeniable that just 10 years ago /g/ would have been jerking off furiously to even the possibility of this laptop existing. Newfags are pathetic.
不可否认，就在十年前，/g/ 的板友甚至想到这种笔记本存在就会疯狂自慰。新白痴们真可悲。
>>109387603
My x13 has pgup and pgdown keys on the dpad. You lose.
我的 x13 的 dpad 上有 pgup 和 pgdown 键。你输了。
>>109387632
I didn't even know his last name before reading it just now. You must be a fan of him then.
我刚才看之前都不知道他姓什么，你肯定是他粉丝吧。
>>109387545
they also have 20yo cum covered stinkpads
他们居然还有积满20年陈年精斑的恶臭清洁垫。
>>109387603
>"durrr we have swapple modules for repairability"
>“ DURRR 我们有 Swapple 模块来方便维修”
lmfao use a thunderbolt dock
笑死，用雷电扩展坞啊。
>>109387453
Having had a framework, it's fucking shit, I literally can buy a whole laptop with how much a single mobo for a fw13 costs.
用过 Framework 之后，这玩意儿简直他妈的一坨屎。fw13 的单块主板贵到我能直接买台整机的程度了。
$3000 is such and abstract fucking price for a laptop this is so much money
笔记本电脑标价 3000 刀真是抽象至极，这他妈得是多少钱啊。
>>109387791
gen 7 p14 thinkpad is literally half the price and made of magnesium.
第 7 代 P14 ThinkPad 价格只有一半，而且还是镁合金材质。
>>109387779
This anon is right, the initial idea is cool but the value proposition for existing owners is shit. I can buy a Macbook neo for less than all the parts I would need to upgrade my existing framework to be on the level of a Pro.
这个匿名者说得对，初始概念挺酷，但对现有用户的价值主张简直稀烂。我花更少钱就能买个 MacBook Air，都比把我现有的 Framework 升级到 Pro 水平所需的所有零件加起来便宜。
t. 12th gen intel owner
身份：第 12 代 Intel 用户
>>109387791
base config with Ultra 5 325, 16GB RAM and 500GB Sandisk NVME costs under $2000 USD with shipping and tax.
基础配置：Ultra 5 325、16GB 内存和 500GB 闪迪 NVME，算上运费和税后不到 2000 美元。
>>109387821
my PC is faster than this POS and cost $200 so what the fuck are you talking about
我的电脑比这堆垃圾快多了，才花了 200 刀，你们在扯什么淡
i bet shitbook M4 or whichever theyre at has 3x the battery and the same performance
打赌 shitbook 的 M4 或者whatever代电池容量是它的 3 倍，性能还一样。
>>109387805
>and made of magnesium.
>而且是镁合金做的。
The inner layer yes, but the outta layer is plastic mixed with some carbon.
内层是的，但外层是混合了少许碳纤维的塑料。
>>109387453
>no numpad
>没有数字小键盘
ok but what if I have a job?
好吧，但如果我是要上班的呢？
>>109387791
>>109387805
A $3000 thinkpad t14 amd gen7 has:
一台 3000 刀的第 7 代 AMD 版 T14 ThinkPad 有：
>ryzen pro 250
>Ryzen Pro 250 处理器
>64gb ram
>64GB 内存
>1tb opal drive
>1TB Opal 加密硬盘
>wwan
>>109387453
just found out this thing works with gpu passthrough via thunderbolt 4 so you can link an external gpu. pretty nice
刚发现这玩意儿支持通过雷电 4 进行 GPU 直通，可以外接显卡。挺不错啊。
>>109387805
>made of magnesium.
>镁合金材质。
will come in handy when I need to start a forest fire
等我需要引发森林大火的时候就派上用场了。
>>109387897
>just found out
>刚发现
the latest T14 thinkpads have 2 thunderbolt 4 ports desu
最新款的 T14 ThinkPad 可是有两个雷电 4 端口的哦 desu。
>>109387953
yeah but they have an anti-notch. I am not spending that kind of money for an anti-notch
对，但它们有个防刘海设计。我不愿为这个防刘海设计花那么多钱。
>>109387975
They also have an optional camera shutter.
它们还有一个可选的物理摄像头遮挡盖。
>>109388008
pretty sure the framework does as well but I am not here to defend a laptop I don't even own. I am just happy to see the tech available. I like the idea of having a laptop dock
我很确定 Framework 也有，但我不是来为我不拥有的笔记本辩护的。我只是看到技术可用感到开心。我喜欢笔记本底座这个点子。
>>109387975
The camera options also include ir, so if you're just a little bit savvy and paranoid, you can use an ir light in order to give your webcam night vision.
摄像头选项还包括红外（IR），所以如果你稍微懂点行又有点被害妄想，你可以用红外灯让你的网络摄像头具备夜视功能。
>>109387453
It’s a dumb laptop with replacement parts, not AI database with the ability to run 7 AI at once.
这就是台带可更换零件的笨笔记本，不是能同时运行 7 个 AI 的 AI 数据库。
>>109387549
Framework realized they live in a buzzword economy where knowledge of anything is extremely shallow, and if they just market the computer as being able to order spare parts or swap ports on a USB c hub, normies will gravitate to its identity as counter culture. This isn't a product for intelligent people.
Framework 意识到他们生活在一个流行语驱动的经济环境中，人们对知识的了解浅薄得可笑，如果他们只是营销这台电脑可以订购备用零件或交换 USB-C 集线器接口，普通大众就会因其反文化的身份认同而被吸引。这不是给聪明人用的产品。
>>109387469
Literally not true. Libreboot supports many systems are that require proprietary blobs.
这说法完全不对。Libreboot 支持许多需要专有固件（blobs）的系统。
>>109387857
>WTF why doesn't Framework fit a 16" wide keyboard layout in a chassis that's only 12" wide?! WTF WHY DON'T THEY JUST DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?!
>WTF 为什么 Framework 在一个只有 12 英寸宽的机身里塞不进 16 英寸宽键盘的布局？！WTF 为什么他们不直接无视物理定律？！
You are retarded. Also, Framework offers a 16" workstation-size laptop with a numpad option/
你脑子有病。另外，Framework 提供 16 英寸工作站尺寸的笔记本，并且可选带数字小键盘。
>>109387875
Yes but you're buying made in china slop.
>输入黑鬼
Goodest of goys, support the commies for a marginal increase in performance that you won't use 95% of the time.
外邦人的最佳选择，为了那你95%的时间都用不上的微小性能提升去支持共产主义者。
thinkpad t480 will be the king when the society collapses
等社会崩溃的时候，ThinkPad T480 就是王者
>>109388200
What exactly makes it slop?
到底是什么让它成了垃圾？
>>109388333
>>109387453
>no numpad
>没有数字键盘
best my ass
最佳个屁
>>109388405
>WTF why doesn't Framework fit a workstation-size 16" wide keyboard layout in an ultrabook chassis that's only 12" wide?! WTF WHY DON'T THEY JUST DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?!
> WTF 为什么 Framework 不在只有12英寸宽的超极本机身里塞进工作站尺寸的16英寸宽键盘布局？！WTF 他们就不能无视物理定律吗？！
>>109388451
There's space next to the touchpad, nigger.
触控板旁边有空位啊，黑鬼。
Thinking of getting it despite the price increase due to the ram.
尽管因为内存涨价，我还是在考虑入手。
Is there anything with better performance and the same battery life?
有性能更好且电池续航一样的产品吗？
>>109387453
Sorry boys it's fucking dogshit. Maybe by the time the RAMpocolypse is over there'll be a laptop worth buying.
抱歉兄弟们，这他妈就是一坨屎。也许等内存大崩溃过去后，会有一台值得买的笔记本。
>>109387549
It's metal
它是金属做的
>>109388817
Oh shit dude the plastic gets hot?? Good thing my body temp isn't 90 degrees
卧槽哥们，塑料壳居然发热？？还好我体温没到90度
>>109388535
It seems their subreddit is melting down as everyone that ordered is getting half the ram from their preorder despite saying they'd never do that
看来他们的Subreddit要炸了，因为所有下单的人预购的内存都只发了一半，尽管他们发誓绝不可能这么做
Even Wendell who ordered 32GB they sent him 16GB lol
连Wendell订了32GB的都只收到16GB，哈哈
>>109387523
are you fucking 90yrs old?
你他妈90岁了吗？
>>109387603
>Newfags are pathetic.
>新人真 pathetic（可悲/没用）。
100% this. A lot of the people bitching are most likely fucking baby boomer/zoomer faggots who spent $3000 on a fucking thinkpad and are now stuck with it. Fucking faggots they are. I love the framework laptop.
100% 同意。很多抱怨的人很可能是他妈的婴儿潮/千禧一代混蛋，他们花了3000美元买他妈的 ThinkPad 然后就被套牢了。真是他妈的混蛋。我喜欢 Framework 笔记本。
>>109388237
shit cant even run a modern browser.
shit 连现代浏览器都跑不动。
>>109388459
>type nigger
>前臂碰到数字键盘打出了奥巴马的生日
>forearm bumps into numpad and types out obama's birthday
如果你想制造一个稻草人，至少做一个现实中存在的那种。
>>109389802
If you want to make a boogieman, at least make one that realistically exists.
3000美元是 RTX 5090 游戏本的价位，不是商务本
$3000 is RTX 5090 gayming laptop price, not a business laptop
不，婴儿潮一代的电子硬件级别手册/补充材料不就是维修权运动的终极目标吗？而且很明显他们不给你这个
>>109389786
isn't the boomer electronics tier manual/supplementary material is the ultimate goal of the right to repair movement? and it is crystal clear that they dont give you that
我不是说笔记本是垃圾，也不是说它提供的功能如模块化完全没用
i am not saying the laptop is shit or the features it offer like modular stuff are completely useless
我只是说，表面上的讽刺感挺搞笑的，不管他们卖/做什么
i am just saying that the surface level irony is kind of funny, regardless of the stuff they sell/make
为什么 Frame 黑总是对的？2000美元对于这堆破烂来说还是太贵了，你花一半的价格就能买到相当于 3000美元 Framework 性能的东西。
>>109387821
Why are Framwork haters always right? $2K is still way too much for that POS when you can get the equivalent of the $3K Framwork for HALF the price.
散热还是那么烂吗？
does the cooling still suck?
我刚才是在说反话，因为 ThinkPad 已经变成了一个他妈的梗，我想象那些涌入 /g/ 板的千禧一代小混蛋们，加上神经质婴儿潮一代的“隐私”人群，已经把 ThinkPad 的价格炒得天价，以至于到现在，对 ThinkPad 感兴趣完全没意义。他们可能花了不少离谱的钱才买到一台。
>>109389881
I was being facetious because thinkpads have become such a fucking meme that I would imagine that all these zoomer shitheads who flooded /g/ along with the schizo baby boomer MUH PRIVACY crowd has driven up the prices of thinkpads so insanely that at this point its absolutely pointless to actually be into thinkpads. They probably paid some insane prices to own one.
我刚才是在开玩笑，毕竟ThinkPad已经成了一个令人无语的梗。想象一下，那些涌入/g/的Z世代熊孩子，还有那帮装腔作势搞“隐私崇拜”的老年精神分裂者，把ThinkPad的价格炒得离谱。到这份上，真没必要再对ThinkPad入迷了。他们大概率为了拥有一台花了天价吧。
>>109389914
Why are you so fucking dense? I swear I don't understand how ant of you fuckers even function. Its the same exact fucking thing with the steam machine. People are not buying purely on budget you stupid fuck. Not only that but being realistic about the RAM shortage what you are saying is fucking moron. Go cry into your indian street shitting curry smelling sock.
你这傻逼怎么这么蠢？我发誓我不明白你们这帮人怎么运转的。Steam机器也是同样的狗屎。你们这些蠢货，人们买并不是只因为预算问题。再者，面对内存短缺的现实，你说的话简直就是个弱智。去哭吧，抱你那沾满咖喱味的印度街头屎袜子。
>>109389996
Fair enough.
有道理。
>>109390012
>indian street shitting curry smelling sock
>沾满咖喱味的印度街头屎袜子
LMAO
>>109390023
every single ceo is a fucking indian. I don't know what to tell you besides at least this street shitter is doing something interesting.
每个CEO都是他妈的印度人。我不知道还能说什么，至少这个街边拉屎的还干了点有意思的事。
>>109390030
Keep backpedaling, tinkerjeety. Basically every laptop brand CEO is non-indian, yet someone the one you simp for just happens to be Indian. Curious no?
继续打脸吧，tinkerjeety。基本上每个笔记本品牌的CEO都不是印度人，而你那个舔狗偏偏是个印度人。不觉得很奇怪吗？
>Acer
>Apple
>Asus
>Dell
>HP
>MSI
Not a single Indian CEO. Very curious indeed.
没有一个印度CEO。确实很奇怪。
>>109390054
well i must say its sad that it took a fucking indian to build framework maybe they stole it? where is anyone else? did the jews keep the white man down again?
好吧，我不得不说很可悲，居然他妈的是一个印度人构建了Framework，难道是他们偷的？其他人去哪了？是不是犹太人又把白种人压下去了？
>>109390067
>did the jews
>犹太人
The only jew here is the Framework CEO who charges $3K for a laptop that should be half the price. But do keep enjoy being fleeced by a literal jewjeet KEK.
这里唯一的犹太人是Framework CEO，他卖一台本该半价3000刀的笔记本。不过还是要享受被一个真·犹太佬（Jewjeet）宰杀的乐趣吧，KEK。
>>109390092
>>109390105
>>109387469
Libreboot is proprietary, it literally includes proprietary blobs. Only FSF tier Free Software without non-free proprietary software is GNU Boot. And no, framework doesn't support GNU Boot either.
Libreboot是专有的，它 literally 包含专有代码块。只有符合FSF标准的、不含非自由专有软件的自由软件才是GNU Boot。而且，Framework也不支持GNU Boot。
Framework > Chinkpad
Framework > 支那笔记本（Chinkpad）
Simple as.
就这么简单。
>>109389784
pogo connectors? I think I've seen a ribbon cable during a DIY unbox of the 13 pro
插针式连接器？我觉得我在13 pro的DIY开箱里见过排线
>>109388949
The screen part is obviously plastic
屏幕部分显然是塑料的
> The CEO and founder of Framework Computer is Nirav Patel
> Framework Computer的CEO兼创始人是Nirav Patel
saaar please do the needful and buy our best laptop you bloody benchod
求求你了，赶紧买我们最棒的笔记本吧，你这个该死的笨蛋（benchod）
>>109391150
Better buy a communist Chinese (Lenovo) or Jewish (Dell) laptop
还是买共产主义中国（联想）或犹太（戴尔）笔记本吧
>>109387453
did they fix the battery performance yet? Miserable battery life was one of the core issues of framework.
他们修好电池性能了吗？电池续航差是Framework的核心问题之一。
Gaymework is exactly the kind of shit that PC people used to talk shit about Macs. Over priced, underpowered.
Gaymework简直就是PC玩家以前用来喷Mac的那种垃圾。定价过高，性能不足。
/g/ is filled with zoomer trash who are too stupid to recognize the blatant superiority of Apple Silicon.
/g/ 版块里塞满了太蠢而看不出Apple Silicon明显优势的Z世代垃圾。
>muh games
>我的游戏
build a desktop or get a nintendo or playstation, retard.
组台台式机或者买个任天堂/PlayStation吧，蠢货。
>muh linux
>我的Linux
used thinkpad, linux has no games or software that can take advantage of cutting edge hardware anyways
用过ThinkPad的人都知道，Linux根本没游戏或软件能利用最前沿的硬件
>>109391303
>muh linux
>我的Linux
>used thinkpad
>用过ThinkPad
How do I know you're a Neet and incel?
我怎么知道你是个NEET（尼特/家里蹲）和incel（非自愿独身者）？
>>109389786
No, he's right! They should release schematics. The only reason not to is because they want them to buy them from THEM and not from anyone else.
不，他说的对！他们应该发布图纸。不发布的唯一原因是因为他们想让你从他们那里买，而不是从别人那里买。
That is their end goal here, to make lots of money selling expensive hardware whilst depriving would be competitors from doing the same.
这才是他们的终极目标，通过销售昂贵硬件赚大钱，同时剥夺潜在竞争对手做同样事情的机会。
>>109391444
It seems that they do offer them for free but you have to sign an agreement due to some intellectual property. It could be a variety of reasons.
看起来他们免费提供图纸，但由于某些知识产权问题，你必须签署协议。原因可能有很多种。
>>109391117
He specifically mentions FW16 that has gimmicky modular keyboard layout.
他特别提到了具有花哨模块化键盘布局的FW16。
I guess J. Blow statement is irrelevat in this case.
我想J. Blow的声明在这种情况下是不相关的。
>>109391303
Video games is awesome, mr. apple salesman.
电子游戏很棒，苹果销售员先生。
>>109391303
>playstation
>games
>>109388070
Interchangable parts and standards should drive down costs if anything.
可互换零件和标准化这些东西，怎么算都能把成本压下来。
I mean, sure, the first time you do something like this its gonna cost 3000 dollars but its been 5 years. Where is the savings.
我是说，没错，第一次搞这种操作肯定要花3000刀，但这都过去5年了， savings（省钱）在哪呢？
>>109390012
>Its the same exact fucking thing with the steam machine. People are not buying purely on budget you stupid fuck.
>Steam Machine 也是他妈的一模一样的情况。你们这帮傻逼根本没搞懂，大家买这玩意儿不是纯看预算的。
The Steam Machine fills the niche of being a console replacement for your living room + you get the it just works with Steam and the Steam controller. Framework is literally just another laptop but with non-soldered RAM (kinda nice) and those meme swapable adapters.
Steam Machine 填补了作为客厅主机替代品的生态位，而且你能用它无缝连接 Steam 和 Steam 手柄。Framework 基本上就是另一台笔记本，只不过 RAM 是可插拔的（挺不错）还有那些梗图里常提的模块化接口。
>>109391562
its not like other laptops.
它不像其他笔记本。
>>109391609
But how? It does the same things in the same form factor as other laptops?
但怎么不像？它做的事情和在同一个外形规格下其他笔记本不都一样吗？
>>109389881
A fully specd out brand new t14 is $3000
一台高配全新的 T14 要 3000 刀。
>>109389914
That actually has half the RAM of the 3 grand framework 13
那机器的 RAM 只有那台 3000 刀的 Framework 13 的一半。
>>109388383
That video says nothing at all tangible about thinkpads or how being chinese affects their quality. It's a video about how new thinkpads aren't old thinkpads, and about how apple is somehow innovative, but thinkpads aren't.
那视频里没提任何关于 ThinkPad 或者“是中国制造所以质量受影响”的实质内容。它只是在说新 ThinkPad 不再是老 ThinkPad，还有苹果莫名其妙地有创新而 ThinkPad 没有。
>>109387469
swap the mb with their risc-v one then
然后把主板换成他们的 RISC-V 版本啊。
>>109387869
>because it consumes le energy
>因为这玩意儿耗能量（le energy）
lmao
>>109388022
so glowies can spy on you while you goon at night?
这样就能让克格勃（glowies）在你夜间打飞机（gooning）的时候监控你？
>>109389048
billions of data centers must burn
数十亿的数据中心肯定在燃烧。
>>109392283
In my case, it helped me figure out why I kept waking up without any pants on. I was taking them off in the middle of the night. Assuming you send the footage to another device, like a nas. It could be used for anti-theft. If anyone tried to steal your laptop, you'd get a nice closeup, at least.
对我而言，它帮我搞懂了我为什么总光着屁股醒来。我是半夜把裤子脱了的。假设你把画面传送到另一个设备，比如 NAS，这也能用来防盗贼。要是有人想偷你的笔记本，至少你能拍到对方脸部的特写。
>>109392329
lmao
>>109389897
That's why Rossmann said they were better than Apple but still not great as they won't hand out schematics. Mobo repair as an industry is dead only chinese people that get schematics and parts directly leaked from the factory can do any of it.
这就是为什么罗斯曼（Rossmann）说它们比苹果好，但还是不够棒，因为它们不肯提供原理图。主板维修行业已经死了，只有那些能直接从工厂泄露原理图和配件的中国人还能搞维修。
>>109391233
Supposedly they have. Pro rivals Macbook battery life according to the reviews.
据说是这样。根据评测，它的电池续航跟 Macbook 的竞争对手差不多。
>priced like a MacBook Pro
>定价像 MacBook Pro
>performance of a MacBook Air
>性能像 MacBook Air
>Dogshit OS options
>垃圾一样的 OS 选项
>>109387526
this but unironically
这话虽然说是反讽，但我这次是认真的。
>>109391914
No, it has half the RAM of the $3500 Shamework with the 358H, and it has the same amount of RAM as the Shamework that is roughly equivalent to it in specs (358H/32GB/1TB), but for half the price, and you don't need to wait months to get it.
不，那款 Shamework 358H 版本 RAM 只有一半，而且它跟那款规格差不多（358H/32GB/1TB）的 Shamework RAM 一样多，但价格只有一半，而且你不用等几个月就能拿到货。
>>109392845
>battery of a thinkpad from 10 years ago
>电池续航跟 10 年前的 ThinkPad 一样
>>109393084
>if we call ourselves apple we can charge apple prices
>如果我们自称是苹果，我们就可以收苹果的价格
>>109387453
>$3000
bullshit, I just put together a base version and it's $1.6K
扯淡，我刚才组装了一个基础版，才 1600 刀。
Pricing is going to suck for all PC hardware for the next few years, you're just going to have to deal with it.
未来几年 PC 硬件的价格都会很糟糕，你只能认命了。
The RTX 6070 will have 12 GB of VRAM and cost $1000 and people will eat it up.
RTX 6070 会有 12GB 显存，卖 1000 刀，大家照样会抢着买。
>>109387453
What is even the point of "repairability", when a single part for framework costs more than used enterprise thinkpad?
“可维修性”到底有什么意义，Framework 的一个零件价格比二手企业级 ThinkPad 还贵？
In Europe you can get a 3 year old thinkpad for something like 200-300EUR, because German companies like Deutsche Bank keep throwing them away every year
在欧洲，你可以花 200-300 欧元买到一台三年前的 ThinkPad，因为像德意志银行这样的德国公司每年都会把它们当垃圾扔掉。
>>109393877
>what is even the point of "buying food", when a single schnitzel costs more than dumpster diving?
>“买食物”到底有啥意义，一份炸肉排的价格比翻垃圾桶还贵。
When are we officially moving beyond just framework and standardizing an ATX standard for laptops?
我们到底什么时候才能跳出单纯的模块化概念，为笔记本电脑确立一套 ATX 标准？
>>109393084
It's like you don't think we can't tell you ticked the ultra x7 option for $500 more up top.
感觉你都没法分辨我们早就看穿了你，上面那个“超高级选项”多收了500刀。
>>109389914
>>109393084
I'd trust framework before msi, anyway.
反正我信 Framework 胜过 MSI。
Anyway, here's a 14in sager
算了，来看看这款14英寸的 Sager。
>>109389914
>can't upgrade it at all
>完全没法升级
retard
>>109387453
FYI this is a jeet company with a jeet CEO. Do not redeem.
友情提醒，这是一家“Jeet”公司，CEO 也是个 Jeet。别买，别洗。
>>109387975
You're weird. I like the camera bump.
你真怪。我喜欢那个摄像头凸起。
>>109396224
A $3000 framework has the other processor, 1 tb storage, and 64 GB of ram. Where the msi is an msi, and you can't even custom order it at all.
3000刀的 Framework 配的是另一款处理器、1TB 存储和 64GB 内存。而 MSI 就是 MSI，你甚至没法自定义订购。
>>109396224
also, the sager with that processor comes with a gpu.
另外，搭载那种处理器的 Sager 是带显卡的。
>>109396271
I'd wager even literal jeets wouldn't be dumb enough to spend $3K on the base 325 processor, which is worse than the previous gen Lunar Lake lineup due to the shitty iGPU. But I guess it makes sense that Shamework shills are lower than jeets since you've been duped by a jeet CEO.
我敢打赌，哪怕是真正的 Jeet 也不会蠢到花 3000 刀买那款基准 325 处理器，因为它的核显太烂，性能比上一代 Lunar Lake 还差。不过话说回来，Shamework 的托儿确实比 Jeet 还低劣，毕竟你被一个 Jeet CEO 给忽悠了。
>>109396397
It's surprising that we haven't seen a chink clone, their boutique hacker scene is huge
真没想到我们还没见过中国山寨版，他们的黑客小众圈子可是很大的。
I hope Linus cheaps out on his jet and he falls out of the sky.
希望 Linus 在 Jeet 上偷工减料，然后从天上摔下来。
>>109394661
>IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTER
>>109388535
m5 macbook pro unfortunately. I'm divided whether I should get an m5 macbook air or a framework 13 pro. On one hand my m1 is showing its age more than I expected at 5 years, and the advantage over getting a mac is that I can play some video games on it when I travel.
不幸的是是 M5 MacBook Pro。我在 M5 MacBook Air 和 Framework 13 Pro 之间纠结。一方面我的 M1 在用了5年后比我预期的更老态龙钟，另一方面如果买 Mac，旅行时就没法玩点游戏了。
>$800 for 32GB of RAM
>32GB 内存卖 800 刀
>$1600 for 64GB
>64GB 卖 1600 刀
>>109388535
You can get a 16" MSI prestige with an x7 358H/32GB/1TB for $1400 at costco. I would get it but I want a 14" laptop.
你在 Costco 可以用 1400 刀买到一台 16 英寸 MSI Prestige，搭载 x7 358H/32GB/1TB。我想买但我要的是 14 英寸。
>>109387469
fpbp
>>109387469
You people are absolutely unredeemable, pun intended.
你们这些人真是没救了，双关语（unredeemable，既有不可救药也有无法赎回/洗白的意思）。 ⟟ >虽然支持触控屏，但屏幕晃得厉害
It's touchscreen but it boings about
这是触摸屏，但按钮会来回弹
>>109387469
based
death to Framework
Framework 去死
>>109387453
>$3000
That's more than my RTX 5090 has cost me.
这比我的 RTX 5090 还贵。
>>109387453
>chiclet keyboard
>巧克力键盘
>no touchpad buttons
>没有触控板按键
>>109387453
...why would i buy this at $3000 when a $1000 macbook air has the same exact performance, battery and overheating issues?
……为什么要花 3000 刀买这个，而 1000 刀的 MacBook Air 性能、续航和散热问题跟它完全一样？
>>109387453
>best laptop ever made
>史上最佳笔记本
Honestly, I would say the same if I were paid too
说实话，如果我也收了钱，我也这么说
>>109387469
>confusing Libreboot and Canoeboot in the big ol' '26
>在“大老粗 26”里搞混了 Libreboot 和 Canoeboot
>>109387469
You are stupid and do not understand the libreboot project, you listened to the wrong AI preview.
你蠢透了，完全不了解 Libreboot 项目，你听了错误的人工智能预览。
>>109388125
>>109390886
>>109402059
Also framework DOES support coreboot to some extent, just in case you did want something semi-free. For me personally, if ME cleaner was usable on the laptop, combined with coreboot, that would be enough.
另外 Framework 确实一定程度上支持 coreboot，以防你想要点半自由的方案。对我个人而言，如果 ME Cleaner 能在笔记本上正常使用，再配上 coreboot，那就足够了。
>>109400596
Because you can't just buy parts off the apple store that you need to replace. I even went to an apple store because I heard on /g/ that new macbooks were repairable, only to be told directly by several apple employees that you will need to find parts used or have a donor device. And even then, the ram and storage are soldered, so you will need specialized equipment to fix even trivial issues. Into the trash it goes!
因为你没法直接从苹果商店买到你需要更换的零件。我还专门去了苹果直营店，因为听说 /g/ 板上说新 MacBook 可以维修，结果被几个苹果员工直接告知，你得自己去淘二手零件或者找捐献者。而且就算那样，内存和存储也是焊死的，修点小毛病都得靠专业设备。只能扔垃圾桶！
I got a Framework 16 back in 2024 and I have never been satisfied with it. Leaks charge, crashes, runs hot. Not unusable but it feels worse than a 2009 hospital used thinkpad.
我2024年入手了一台Framework 16，但一直不满意。漏液、崩溃、发热严重。虽然不能说完全没法用，但感觉比2009年医院里用的ThinkPad还烂。
>>109402122
>Because you can't just buy parts off the apple store that you need to replace
>因为你不能像去苹果店那样随意买零件来更换
framework parts cost as much as a new macbook neo, so...
Framework的零件价格堪比一台新的MacBook Air，所以……
>>109402310
Take for example, a new screen, which could be only 100-150$. Also, why are you poor? Apple is overpriced anyways, if you wanted a properly priced laptop you have a million better options.
举个例子，一个新屏幕可能只要100-150美元。另外，你怎么这么穷？苹果的东西本来就溢价太高，如果你想买价格合理的笔记本，有一百万个更好的选择。
>Also, why are you poor? Apple is overpriced anyways
>另外，你怎么这么穷？苹果的东西本来就溢价太高
he did not just say that with a straight face
他居然能一脸严肃地说出这种话
Ahhhhhh it's just a little ugly icl like I would rather take a MacBook Neo and I've literally never used anything made by applel
啊，它只是丑了点，像Intel那种。其实我宁愿要MacBook Air，虽然我从没用过苹果的产品。
>>109389048
are they at least getting refunded?
至少他们拿到退款了吗？
If the company is still around when RAM corrects maybe I'll get one.
如果这公司还在且内存价格回落的话，也许我会买一台。
>>109387453
>no trackpoint
>没有指点杆
Useless, sticking with my ChinkPad
没用，我还是继续用我的ThinkPad
>>109396874
>copy an indian product
>抄袭印度产品
no bueno
不太行
>>109391501
>due to intellectual property
>涉及知识产权
>of fucking wire traces
> fucking 的走线
Jeetwork and Jeetwork customers are a joke.
Jeetwork（指Framework，网友故意拼错嘲讽）和他们的客户真是笑话。
>>109387453
Meanwhile $3k laptop in chi-nah...
meanwhile 中国那边已经有3000美元的笔记本了……
>>109404253
I take practical over retarded gimmicks I'm not a manchild.
我选实用的东西，不要那些弱智噱头，我不是个巨婴。
>>109404253
Quite pretty, but what OS do they run? Their Harmony shit?
挺好看的，但他们跑什么系统？他们的鸿蒙鬼东西？
>>109404439
The point is that crusty framebook laptop has no business costing $3k.
重点是那台老气横秋的Framework笔记本根本不值3000美元。
>>109404473
Really depends on the electronics inside an how good the furniture is. Whether you trust Jeetwork to handle parts that expensive is another question.
这主要取决于内部电子元件和“家具”（外壳/结构件）的质量。至于你信不信Jeetwork能妥善对待这么昂贵的零件，那就是另一回事了。
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