$3000
Linus Won.
林纳斯赢了。
Framework 13 Pro——评论家称它是有史以来最好的笔记本
>>109387469
Intel is proprietary. AMD has OpenSIL.
英特尔是专有的。AMD 有 OpenSIL。
>>109387469
also still no PCB schematics open to public
而且至今没有向公众开放 PCB 原理图
they are high quality toy with a clever marketing/pr trick
它们只是做工不错、营销/套路玩得巧妙的玩具
>>109387469
>NOO ITS TOO FUNCTIONAL THAT IS NOT THE LINUX WAY
>>109387453
Not giving indians any money, I'd rather buy a macbook, the M-series are actually good
不给印度佬一分钱，我宁愿买 Macbook，M 系列确实不错
I find it funny how linuxtards can only post their desktop because linux is good for fuck all else
我觉得挺搞笑的，Linux 键盘侠们只能晒桌面，因为 Linux 干别的简直屁用没有
>>109387453
$3000 for plastic shit
三千美元买个塑料垃圾
Even HP gayming lapptops are better at this point.
就算惠普的游戏本在这点上都比这强。
>yet another framework thread
>又一个 Framework 主题帖
>yet another half dozen comments already from racist freetarded chinovo thinkshitters
>又来半打评论，全是来自种族主义自由蠢货“中国制造”脑残粉的喷子
>framework continues to win
>Framework 继续赢
>framework continues to sell
>Framework 继续卖
>framework continues to deliver
>Framework 继续交付
You lost. It's over. Doubling down at this point (5 years in) is just pathetic. Who the fuck cares that the retard Linus invested? Yes, I hate him too. Who the fuck cares that the founder and CEO has heritage from the Indian subcontinent (despite being fully American and oh, way more successful than you or I will ever be)? And yes, I hate India too.
你输了。结束了。这时候还硬撑（都五年了）纯属可悲。去他妈的林纳斯那脑残投资人。是的，我也恨他。去他妈的创始人兼 CEO 有印度次大陆血统（尽管他完全是美国人，而且 Oh，比你我厉害一万倍）？是的，我也恨印度。
It is undeniable that just 10 years ago /g/ would have been jerking off furiously to even the possibility of this laptop existing. Newfags are pathetic.
不可否认，就在十年前，/g/ 的板友甚至想到这种笔记本存在就会疯狂自慰。新白痴们真可悲。
>>109387603
My x13 has pgup and pgdown keys on the dpad. You lose.
我的 x13 的 dpad 上有 pgup 和 pgdown 键。你输了。
>>109387632
I didn't even know his last name before reading it just now. You must be a fan of him then.
我刚才看之前都不知道他姓什么，你肯定是他粉丝吧。
>>109387545
they also have 20yo cum covered stinkpads
他们居然还有积满20年陈年精斑的恶臭清洁垫。
>>109387603
>"durrr we have swapple modules for repairability"
>“ DURRR 我们有 Swapple 模块来方便维修”
lmfao use a thunderbolt dock
笑死，用雷电扩展坞啊。
>>109387453
Having had a framework, it's fucking shit, I literally can buy a whole laptop with how much a single mobo for a fw13 costs.
用过 Framework 之后，这玩意儿简直他妈的一坨屎。fw13 的单块主板贵到我能直接买台整机的程度了。
$3000 is such and abstract fucking price for a laptop this is so much money
笔记本电脑标价 3000 刀真是抽象至极，这他妈得是多少钱啊。
>>109387791
gen 7 p14 thinkpad is literally half the price and made of magnesium.
第 7 代 P14 ThinkPad 价格只有一半，而且还是镁合金材质。
>>109387779
This anon is right, the initial idea is cool but the value proposition for existing owners is shit. I can buy a Macbook neo for less than all the parts I would need to upgrade my existing framework to be on the level of a Pro.
这个匿名者说得对，初始概念挺酷，但对现有用户的价值主张简直稀烂。我花更少钱就能买个 MacBook Air，都比把我现有的 Framework 升级到 Pro 水平所需的所有零件加起来便宜。
t. 12th gen intel owner
身份：第 12 代 Intel 用户
>>109387791
base config with Ultra 5 325, 16GB RAM and 500GB Sandisk NVME costs under $2000 USD with shipping and tax.
基础配置：Ultra 5 325、16GB 内存和 500GB 闪迪 NVME，算上运费和税后不到 2000 美元。
>>109387821
my PC is faster than this POS and cost $200 so what the fuck are you talking about
我的电脑比这堆垃圾快多了，才花了 200 刀，你们在扯什么淡
i bet shitbook M4 or whichever theyre at has 3x the battery and the same performance
打赌 shitbook 的 M4 或者whatever代电池容量是它的 3 倍，性能还一样。
>>109387805
>and made of magnesium.
>而且是镁合金做的。
The inner layer yes, but the outta layer is plastic mixed with some carbon.
内层是的，但外层是混合了少许碳纤维的塑料。
>>109387453
>no numpad
>没有数字小键盘
ok but what if I have a job?
好吧，但如果我是要上班的呢？
>>109387791
>>109387805
A $3000 thinkpad t14 amd gen7 has:
一台 3000 刀的第 7 代 AMD 版 T14 ThinkPad 有：
>ryzen pro 250
>Ryzen Pro 250 处理器
>64gb ram
>64GB 内存
>1tb opal drive
>1TB Opal 加密硬盘
>wwan
>>109387453
just found out this thing works with gpu passthrough via thunderbolt 4 so you can link an external gpu. pretty nice
刚发现这玩意儿支持通过雷电 4 进行 GPU 直通，可以外接显卡。挺不错啊。
>>109387805
>made of magnesium.
>镁合金材质。
will come in handy when I need to start a forest fire
等我需要引发森林大火的时候就派上用场了。
>>109387897
>just found out
>刚发现
the latest T14 thinkpads have 2 thunderbolt 4 ports desu
最新款的 T14 ThinkPad 可是有两个雷电 4 端口的哦 desu。
>>109387953
yeah but they have an anti-notch. I am not spending that kind of money for an anti-notch
对，但它们有个防刘海设计。我不愿为这个防刘海设计花那么多钱。
>>109387975
They also have an optional camera shutter.
它们还有一个可选的物理摄像头遮挡盖。
>>109388008
pretty sure the framework does as well but I am not here to defend a laptop I don't even own. I am just happy to see the tech available. I like the idea of having a laptop dock
我很确定 Framework 也有，但我不是来为我不拥有的笔记本辩护的。我只是看到技术可用感到开心。我喜欢笔记本底座这个点子。
>>109387975
The camera options also include ir, so if you're just a little bit savvy and paranoid, you can use an ir light in order to give your webcam night vision.
摄像头选项还包括红外（IR），所以如果你稍微懂点行又有点被害妄想，你可以用红外灯让你的网络摄像头具备夜视功能。
>>109387453
It’s a dumb laptop with replacement parts, not AI database with the ability to run 7 AI at once.
这就是台带可更换零件的笨笔记本，不是能同时运行 7 个 AI 的 AI 数据库。
>>109387549
Framework realized they live in a buzzword economy where knowledge of anything is extremely shallow, and if they just market the computer as being able to order spare parts or swap ports on a USB c hub, normies will gravitate to its identity as counter culture. This isn't a product for intelligent people.
Framework 意识到他们生活在一个流行语驱动的经济环境中，人们对知识的了解浅薄得可笑，如果他们只是营销这台电脑可以订购备用零件或交换 USB-C 集线器接口，普通大众就会因其反文化的身份认同而被吸引。这不是给聪明人用的产品。
>>109387469
Literally not true. Libreboot supports many systems are that require proprietary blobs.
这说法完全不对。Libreboot 支持许多需要专有固件（blobs）的系统。
>>109387857
>WTF why doesn't Framework fit a 16" wide keyboard layout in a chassis that's only 12" wide?! WTF WHY DON'T THEY JUST DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?!
>WTF 为什么 Framework 在一个只有 12 英寸宽的机身里塞不进 16 英寸宽键盘的布局？！WTF 为什么他们不直接无视物理定律？！
You are retarded. Also, Framework offers a 16" workstation-size laptop with a numpad option/
你脑子有病。另外，Framework 提供 16 英寸工作站尺寸的笔记本，并且可选带数字小键盘。
>>109387875
Yes but you're buying made in china slop.
>输入黑鬼
Goodest of goys, support the commies for a marginal increase in performance that you won't use 95% of the time.
外邦人的最佳选择，为了那你95%的时间都用不上的微小性能提升去支持共产主义者。
thinkpad t480 will be the king when the society collapses
等社会崩溃的时候，ThinkPad T480 就是王者
>>109388200
What exactly makes it slop?
到底是什么让它成了垃圾？
>>109388333
>>109387453
>no numpad
>没有数字键盘
best my ass
最佳个屁
>>109388405
>WTF why doesn't Framework fit a workstation-size 16" wide keyboard layout in an ultrabook chassis that's only 12" wide?! WTF WHY DON'T THEY JUST DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS?!
> WTF 为什么 Framework 不在只有12英寸宽的超极本机身里塞进工作站尺寸的16英寸宽键盘布局？！WTF 他们就不能无视物理定律吗？！
>>109388451
There's space next to the touchpad, nigger.
触控板旁边有空位啊，黑鬼。
Thinking of getting it despite the price increase due to the ram.
尽管因为内存涨价，我还是在考虑入手。
Is there anything with better performance and the same battery life?
有性能更好且电池续航一样的产品吗？
>>109387453
Sorry boys it's fucking dogshit. Maybe by the time the RAMpocolypse is over there'll be a laptop worth buying.
抱歉兄弟们，这他妈就是一坨屎。也许等内存大崩溃过去后，会有一台值得买的笔记本。
>>109387549
It's metal
它是金属做的
>>109388817
Oh shit dude the plastic gets hot?? Good thing my body temp isn't 90 degrees
卧槽哥们，塑料壳居然发热？？还好我体温没到90度
>>109388535
It seems their subreddit is melting down as everyone that ordered is getting half the ram from their preorder despite saying they'd never do that
看来他们的Subreddit要炸了，因为所有下单的人预购的内存都只发了一半，尽管他们发誓绝不可能这么做
Even Wendell who ordered 32GB they sent him 16GB lol
连Wendell订了32GB的都只收到16GB，哈哈
>>109387523
are you fucking 90yrs old?
你他妈90岁了吗？
>>109387603
>Newfags are pathetic.
>新人真 pathetic（可悲/没用）。
100% this. A lot of the people bitching are most likely fucking baby boomer/zoomer faggots who spent $3000 on a fucking thinkpad and are now stuck with it. Fucking faggots they are. I love the framework laptop.
100% 同意。很多抱怨的人很可能是他妈的婴儿潮/千禧一代混蛋，他们花了3000美元买他妈的 ThinkPad 然后就被套牢了。真是他妈的混蛋。我喜欢 Framework 笔记本。
>>109388237
shit cant even run a modern browser.
shit 连现代浏览器都跑不动。
>>109388459
>type nigger
>前臂碰到数字键盘打出了奥巴马的生日
>forearm bumps into numpad and types out obama's birthday
如果你想制造一个稻草人，至少做一个现实中存在的那种。
>>109389802
If you want to make a boogieman, at least make one that realistically exists.
3000美元是 RTX 5090 游戏本的价位，不是商务本
$3000 is RTX 5090 gayming laptop price, not a business laptop
不，婴儿潮一代的电子硬件级别手册/补充材料不就是维修权运动的终极目标吗？而且很明显他们不给你这个
>>109389786
isn't the boomer electronics tier manual/supplementary material is the ultimate goal of the right to repair movement? and it is crystal clear that they dont give you that
我不是说笔记本是垃圾，也不是说它提供的功能如模块化完全没用
i am not saying the laptop is shit or the features it offer like modular stuff are completely useless
我只是说，表面上的讽刺感挺搞笑的，不管他们卖/做什么
i am just saying that the surface level irony is kind of funny, regardless of the stuff they sell/make
为什么 Frame 黑总是对的？2000美元对于这堆破烂来说还是太贵了，你花一半的价格就能买到相当于 3000美元 Framework 性能的东西。
>>109387821
Why are Framwork haters always right? $2K is still way too much for that POS when you can get the equivalent of the $3K Framwork for HALF the price.
散热还是那么烂吗？
does the cooling still suck?
我刚才是在说反话，因为 ThinkPad 已经变成了一个他妈的梗，我想象那些涌入 /g/ 板的千禧一代小混蛋们，加上神经质婴儿潮一代的“隐私”人群，已经把 ThinkPad 的价格炒得天价，以至于到现在，对 ThinkPad 感兴趣完全没意义。他们可能花了不少离谱的钱才买到一台。
>>109389881
I was being facetious because thinkpads have become such a fucking meme that I would imagine that all these zoomer shitheads who flooded /g/ along with the schizo baby boomer MUH PRIVACY crowd has driven up the prices of thinkpads so insanely that at this point its absolutely pointless to actually be into thinkpads. They probably paid some insane prices to own one.
我刚才是在开玩笑，毕竟ThinkPad已经成了一个令人无语的梗。想象一下，那些涌入/g/的Z世代熊孩子，还有那帮装腔作势搞“隐私崇拜”的老年精神分裂者，把ThinkPad的价格炒得离谱。到这份上，真没必要再对ThinkPad入迷了。他们大概率为了拥有一台花了天价吧。
>>109389914
Why are you so fucking dense? I swear I don't understand how ant of you fuckers even function. Its the same exact fucking thing with the steam machine. People are not buying purely on budget you stupid fuck. Not only that but being realistic about the RAM shortage what you are saying is fucking moron. Go cry into your indian street shitting curry smelling sock.
你这傻逼怎么这么蠢？我发誓我不明白你们这帮人怎么运转的。Steam机器也是同样的狗屎。你们这些蠢货，人们买并不是只因为预算问题。再者，面对内存短缺的现实，你说的话简直就是个弱智。去哭吧，抱你那沾满咖喱味的印度街头屎袜子。
>>109389996
Fair enough.
有道理。
>>109390012
>indian street shitting curry smelling sock
>沾满咖喱味的印度街头屎袜子
LMAO
>>109390023
every single ceo is a fucking indian. I don't know what to tell you besides at least this street shitter is doing something interesting.
每个CEO都是他妈的印度人。我不知道还能说什么，至少这个街边拉屎的还干了点有意思的事。
>>109390030
Keep backpedaling, tinkerjeety. Basically every laptop brand CEO is non-indian, yet someone the one you simp for just happens to be Indian. Curious no?
继续打脸吧，tinkerjeety。基本上每个笔记本品牌的CEO都不是印度人，而你那个舔狗偏偏是个印度人。不觉得很奇怪吗？
>Acer
>Apple
>Asus
>Dell
>HP
>MSI
Not a single Indian CEO. Very curious indeed.
没有一个印度CEO。确实很奇怪。
>>109390054
well i must say its sad that it took a fucking indian to build framework maybe they stole it? where is anyone else? did the jews keep the white man down again?
好吧，我不得不说很可悲，居然他妈的是一个印度人构建了Framework，难道是他们偷的？其他人去哪了？是不是犹太人又把白种人压下去了？
>>109390067
>did the jews
>犹太人
The only jew here is the Framework CEO who charges $3K for a laptop that should be half the price. But do keep enjoy being fleeced by a literal jewjeet KEK.
这里唯一的犹太人是Framework CEO，他卖一台本该半价3000刀的笔记本。不过还是要享受被一个真·犹太佬（Jewjeet）宰杀的乐趣吧，KEK。
>>109390092
>>109390105
>>109387469
Libreboot is proprietary, it literally includes proprietary blobs. Only FSF tier Free Software without non-free proprietary software is GNU Boot. And no, framework doesn't support GNU Boot either.
Libreboot是专有的，它 literally 包含专有代码块。只有符合FSF标准的、不含非自由专有软件的自由软件才是GNU Boot。而且，Framework也不支持GNU Boot。
Framework > Chinkpad
Framework > 支那笔记本（Chinkpad）
Simple as.
就这么简单。
>>109389784
pogo connectors? I think I've seen a ribbon cable during a DIY unbox of the 13 pro
插针式连接器？我觉得我在13 pro的DIY开箱里见过排线
>>109388949
The screen part is obviously plastic
屏幕部分显然是塑料的
> The CEO and founder of Framework Computer is Nirav Patel
> Framework Computer的CEO兼创始人是Nirav Patel
saaar please do the needful and buy our best laptop you bloody benchod
求求你了，赶紧买我们最棒的笔记本吧，你这个该死的笨蛋（benchod）
>>109391150
Better buy a communist Chinese (Lenovo) or Jewish (Dell) laptop
还是买共产主义中国（联想）或犹太（戴尔）笔记本吧
>>109387453
did they fix the battery performance yet? Miserable battery life was one of the core issues of framework.
他们修好电池性能了吗？电池续航差是Framework的核心问题之一。
Gaymework is exactly the kind of shit that PC people used to talk shit about Macs. Over priced, underpowered.
Gaymework简直就是PC玩家以前用来喷Mac的那种垃圾。定价过高，性能不足。
/g/ is filled with zoomer trash who are too stupid to recognize the blatant superiority of Apple Silicon.
/g/ 版块里塞满了太蠢而看不出Apple Silicon明显优势的Z世代垃圾。
>muh games
>我的游戏
build a desktop or get a nintendo or playstation, retard.
组台台式机或者买个任天堂/PlayStation吧，蠢货。
>muh linux
>我的Linux
used thinkpad, linux has no games or software that can take advantage of cutting edge hardware anyways
用过ThinkPad的人都知道，Linux根本没游戏或软件能利用最前沿的硬件
>>109391303
>muh linux
>我的Linux
>used thinkpad
>用过ThinkPad
How do I know you're a Neet and incel?
我怎么知道你是个NEET（尼特/家里蹲）和incel（非自愿独身者）？
>>109389786
No, he's right! They should release schematics. The only reason not to is because they want them to buy them from THEM and not from anyone else.
不，他说的对！他们应该发布图纸。不发布的唯一原因是因为他们想让你从他们那里买，而不是从别人那里买。
That is their end goal here, to make lots of money selling expensive hardware whilst depriving would be competitors from doing the same.
这才是他们的终极目标，通过销售昂贵硬件赚大钱，同时剥夺潜在竞争对手做同样事情的机会。
>>109391444
It seems that they do offer them for free but you have to sign an agreement due to some intellectual property. It could be a variety of reasons.
看起来他们免费提供图纸，但由于某些知识产权问题，你必须签署协议。原因可能有很多种。
>>109391117
He specifically mentions FW16 that has gimmicky modular keyboard layout.
他特别提到了具有花哨模块化键盘布局的FW16。
I guess J. Blow statement is irrelevat in this case.
我想J. Blow的声明在这种情况下是不相关的。
>>109391303
Video games is awesome, mr. apple salesman.
电子游戏很棒，苹果销售员先生。
>>109391303
>playstation
>games
>>109388070
Interchangable parts and standards should drive down costs if anything.
可互换零件和标准化这些东西，怎么算都能把成本压下来。
I mean, sure, the first time you do something like this its gonna cost 3000 dollars but its been 5 years. Where is the savings.
我是说，没错，第一次搞这种操作肯定要花3000刀，但这都过去5年了， savings（省钱）在哪呢？
>>109390012
>Its the same exact fucking thing with the steam machine. People are not buying purely on budget you stupid fuck.
>Steam Machine 也是他妈的一模一样的情况。你们这帮傻逼根本没搞懂，大家买这玩意儿不是纯看预算的。
The Steam Machine fills the niche of being a console replacement for your living room + you get the it just works with Steam and the Steam controller. Framework is literally just another laptop but with non-soldered RAM (kinda nice) and those meme swapable adapters.
Steam Machine 填补了作为客厅主机替代品的生态位，而且你能用它无缝连接 Steam 和 Steam 手柄。Framework 基本上就是另一台笔记本，只不过 RAM 是可插拔的（挺不错）还有那些梗图里常提的模块化接口。
>>109391562
its not like other laptops.
它不像其他笔记本。
>>109391609
But how? It does the same things in the same form factor as other laptops?
但怎么不像？它做的事情和在同一个外形规格下其他笔记本不都一样吗？
>>109389881
A fully specd out brand new t14 is $3000
一台高配全新的 T14 要 3000 刀。
>>109389914
That actually has half the RAM of the 3 grand framework 13
那机器的 RAM 只有那台 3000 刀的 Framework 13 的一半。
>>109388383
That video says nothing at all tangible about thinkpads or how being chinese affects their quality. It's a video about how new thinkpads aren't old thinkpads, and about how apple is somehow innovative, but thinkpads aren't.
那视频里没提任何关于 ThinkPad 或者“是中国制造所以质量受影响”的实质内容。它只是在说新 ThinkPad 不再是老 ThinkPad，还有苹果莫名其妙地有创新而 ThinkPad 没有。
>>109387469
swap the mb with their risc-v one then
然后把主板换成他们的 RISC-V 版本啊。
>>109387869
>because it consumes le energy
>因为这玩意儿耗能量（le energy）
lmao
>>109388022
so glowies can spy on you while you goon at night?
这样就能让克格勃（glowies）在你夜间打飞机（gooning）的时候监控你？
>>109389048
billions of data centers must burn
数十亿的数据中心肯定在燃烧。
>>109392283
In my case, it helped me figure out why I kept waking up without any pants on. I was taking them off in the middle of the night. Assuming you send the footage to another device, like a nas. It could be used for anti-theft. If anyone tried to steal your laptop, you'd get a nice closeup, at least.
对我而言，它帮我搞懂了我为什么总光着屁股醒来。我是半夜把裤子脱了的。假设你把画面传送到另一个设备，比如 NAS，这也能用来防盗贼。要是有人想偷你的笔记本，至少你能拍到对方脸部的特写。
>>109392329
lmao
>>109389897
That's why Rossmann said they were better than Apple but still not great as they won't hand out schematics. Mobo repair as an industry is dead only chinese people that get schematics and parts directly leaked from the factory can do any of it.
这就是为什么罗斯曼（Rossmann）说它们比苹果好，但还是不够棒，因为它们不肯提供原理图。主板维修行业已经死了，只有那些能直接从工厂泄露原理图和配件的中国人还能搞维修。
>>109391233
Supposedly they have. Pro rivals Macbook battery life according to the reviews.
据说是这样。根据评测，它的电池续航跟 Macbook 的竞争对手差不多。
>priced like a MacBook Pro
>定价像 MacBook Pro
>performance of a MacBook Air
>性能像 MacBook Air
>Dogshit OS options
>垃圾一样的 OS 选项
>>109387526
this but unironically
这话虽然说是反讽，但我这次是认真的。
>>109391914
No, it has half the RAM of the $3500 Shamework with the 358H, and it has the same amount of RAM as the Shamework that is roughly equivalent to it in specs (358H/32GB/1TB), but for half the price, and you don't need to wait months to get it.
不，那款 Shamework 358H 版本 RAM 只有一半，而且它跟那款规格差不多（358H/32GB/1TB）的 Shamework RAM 一样多，但价格只有一半，而且你不用等几个月就能拿到货。
>>109392845
>battery of a thinkpad from 10 years ago
>电池续航跟 10 年前的 ThinkPad 一样
>>109393084
>if we call ourselves apple we can charge apple prices
>如果我们自称是苹果，我们就可以收苹果的价格
>>109387453
>$3000
bullshit, I just put together a base version and it's $1.6K
扯淡，我刚才组装了一个基础版，才 1600 刀。
Pricing is going to suck for all PC hardware for the next few years, you're just going to have to deal with it.
未来几年 PC 硬件的价格都会很糟糕，你只能认命了。
The RTX 6070 will have 12 GB of VRAM and cost $1000 and people will eat it up.
RTX 6070 会有 12GB 显存，卖 1000 刀，大家照样会抢着买。
>>109387453
What is even the point of "repairability", when a single part for framework costs more than used enterprise thinkpad?
“可维修性”到底有什么意义，Framework 的一个零件价格比二手企业级 ThinkPad 还贵？
In Europe you can get a 3 year old thinkpad for something like 200-300EUR, because German companies like Deutsche Bank keep throwing them away every year
在欧洲，你可以花 200-300 欧元买到一台三年前的 ThinkPad，因为像德意志银行这样的德国公司每年都会把它们当垃圾扔掉。
>>109393877
>what is even the point of "buying food", when a single schnitzel costs more than dumpster diving?
>“买食物”到底有啥意义，一份炸肉排的价格比翻垃圾桶还贵。
When are we officially moving beyond just framework and standardizing an ATX standard for laptops?
我们到底什么时候才能跳出单纯的模块化概念，为笔记本电脑确立一套 ATX 标准？
>>109393084
It's like you don't think we can't tell you ticked the ultra x7 option for $500 more up top.
感觉你都没法分辨我们早就看穿了你，上面那个“超高级选项”多收了500刀。
>>109389914
>>109393084
I'd trust framework before msi, anyway.
反正我信 Framework 胜过 MSI。
Anyway, here's a 14in sager
算了，来看看这款14英寸的 Sager。
>>109389914
>can't upgrade it at all
>完全没法升级
retard
>>109387453
FYI this is a jeet company with a jeet CEO. Do not redeem.
友情提醒，这是一家“Jeet”公司，CEO 也是个 Jeet。别买，别洗。
>>109387975
You're weird. I like the camera bump.
你真怪。我喜欢那个摄像头凸起。
>>109396224
A $3000 framework has the other processor, 1 tb storage, and 64 GB of ram. Where the msi is an msi, and you can't even custom order it at all.
3000刀的 Framework 配的是另一款处理器、1TB 存储和 64GB 内存。而 MSI 就是 MSI，你甚至没法自定义订购。
>>109396224
also, the sager with that processor comes with a gpu.
另外，搭载那种处理器的 Sager 是带显卡的。
>>109396271
I'd wager even literal jeets wouldn't be dumb enough to spend $3K on the base 325 processor, which is worse than the previous gen Lunar Lake lineup due to the shitty iGPU. But I guess it makes sense that Shamework shills are lower than jeets since you've been duped by a jeet CEO.
我敢打赌，哪怕是真正的 Jeet 也不会蠢到花 3000 刀买那款基准 325 处理器，因为它的核显太烂，性能比上一代 Lunar Lake 还差。不过话说回来，Shamework 的托儿确实比 Jeet 还低劣，毕竟你被一个 Jeet CEO 给忽悠了。
>>109396397
It's surprising that we haven't seen a chink clone, their boutique hacker scene is huge
真没想到我们还没见过中国山寨版，他们的黑客小众圈子可是很大的。
I hope Linus cheaps out on his jet and he falls out of the sky.
希望 Linus 在 Jeet 上偷工减料，然后从天上摔下来。
>>109394661
>IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTER
>>109388535
m5 macbook pro unfortunately. I'm divided whether I should get an m5 macbook air or a framework 13 pro. On one hand my m1 is showing its age more than I expected at 5 years, and the advantage over getting a mac is that I can play some video games on it when I travel.
不幸的是是 M5 MacBook Pro。我在 M5 MacBook Air 和 Framework 13 Pro 之间纠结。一方面我的 M1 在用了5年后比我预期的更老态龙钟，另一方面如果买 Mac，旅行时就没法玩点游戏了。
>$800 for 32GB of RAM
>32GB 内存卖 800 刀
>$1600 for 64GB
>64GB 卖 1600 刀
>>109388535
You can get a 16" MSI prestige with an x7 358H/32GB/1TB for $1400 at costco. I would get it but I want a 14" laptop.
你在 Costco 可以用 1400 刀买到一台 16 英寸 MSI Prestige，搭载 x7 358H/32GB/1TB。我想买但我要的是 14 英寸。
>>109387469
fpbp
>>109387469
You people are absolutely unredeemable, pun intended.
你们这些人真是没救了，双关语（unredeemable，既有不可救药也有无法赎回/洗白的意思）。 ⟟ >虽然支持触控屏，但屏幕晃得厉害
It's touchscreen but it boings about
这是触摸屏，但按钮会来回弹
>>109387469
based
death to Framework
Framework 去死
>>109387453
>$3000
That's more than my RTX 5090 has cost me.
这比我的 RTX 5090 还贵。
>>109387453
>chiclet keyboard
>巧克力键盘
>no touchpad buttons
>没有触控板按键
>>109387453
...why would i buy this at $3000 when a $1000 macbook air has the same exact performance, battery and overheating issues?
……为什么要花 3000 刀买这个，而 1000 刀的 MacBook Air 性能、续航和散热问题跟它完全一样？
>>109387453
>best laptop ever made
>史上最佳笔记本
Honestly, I would say the same if I were paid too
说实话，如果我也收了钱，我也这么说
>>109387469
>confusing Libreboot and Canoeboot in the big ol' '26
>在“大老粗 26”里搞混了 Libreboot 和 Canoeboot
>>109387469
You are stupid and do not understand the libreboot project, you listened to the wrong AI preview.
你蠢透了，完全不了解 Libreboot 项目，你听了错误的人工智能预览。
>>109388125
>>109390886
>>109402059
Also framework DOES support coreboot to some extent, just in case you did want something semi-free. For me personally, if ME cleaner was usable on the laptop, combined with coreboot, that would be enough.
另外 Framework 确实一定程度上支持 coreboot，以防你想要点半自由的方案。对我个人而言，如果 ME Cleaner 能在笔记本上正常使用，再配上 coreboot，那就足够了。
>>109400596
Because you can't just buy parts off the apple store that you need to replace. I even went to an apple store because I heard on /g/ that new macbooks were repairable, only to be told directly by several apple employees that you will need to find parts used or have a donor device. And even then, the ram and storage are soldered, so you will need specialized equipment to fix even trivial issues. Into the trash it goes!
因为你没法直接从苹果商店买到你需要更换的零件。我还专门去了苹果直营店，因为听说 /g/ 板上说新 MacBook 可以维修，结果被几个苹果员工直接告知，你得自己去淘二手零件或者找捐献者。而且就算那样，内存和存储也是焊死的，修点小毛病都得靠专业设备。只能扔垃圾桶！
I got a Framework 16 back in 2024 and I have never been satisfied with it. Leaks charge, crashes, runs hot. Not unusable but it feels worse than a 2009 hospital used thinkpad.
我2024年入手了一台Framework 16，但一直不满意。漏液、崩溃、发热严重。虽然不能说完全没法用，但感觉比2009年医院里用的ThinkPad还烂。
>>109402122
>Because you can't just buy parts off the apple store that you need to replace
>因为你不能像去苹果店那样随意买零件来更换
framework parts cost as much as a new macbook neo, so...
Framework的零件价格堪比一台新的MacBook Air，所以……
>>109402310
Take for example, a new screen, which could be only 100-150$. Also, why are you poor? Apple is overpriced anyways, if you wanted a properly priced laptop you have a million better options.
举个例子，一个新屏幕可能只要100-150美元。另外，你怎么这么穷？苹果的东西本来就溢价太高，如果你想买价格合理的笔记本，有一百万个更好的选择。
>Also, why are you poor? Apple is overpriced anyways
>另外，你怎么这么穷？苹果的东西本来就溢价太高
he did not just say that with a straight face
他居然能一脸严肃地说出这种话
Ahhhhhh it's just a little ugly icl like I would rather take a MacBook Neo and I've literally never used anything made by applel
啊，它只是丑了点，像Intel那种。其实我宁愿要MacBook Air，虽然我从没用过苹果的产品。
>>109389048
are they at least getting refunded?
至少他们拿到退款了吗？
If the company is still around when RAM corrects maybe I'll get one.
如果这公司还在且内存价格回落的话，也许我会买一台。
>>109387453
>no trackpoint
>没有指点杆
Useless, sticking with my ChinkPad
没用，我还是继续用我的ThinkPad
>>109396874
>copy an indian product
>抄袭印度产品
no bueno
不太行
>>109391501
>due to intellectual property
>涉及知识产权
>of fucking wire traces
> fucking 的走线
Jeetwork and Jeetwork customers are a joke.
Jeetwork（指Framework，网友故意拼错嘲讽）和他们的客户真是笑话。
>>109387453
Meanwhile $3k laptop in chi-nah...
meanwhile 中国那边已经有3000美元的笔记本了……
>>109404253
I take practical over retarded gimmicks I'm not a manchild.
我选实用的东西，不要那些弱智噱头，我不是个巨婴。
>>109404253
Quite pretty, but what OS do they run? Their Harmony shit?
挺好看的，但他们跑什么系统？他们的鸿蒙鬼东西？
>>109404439
The point is that crusty framebook laptop has no business costing $3k.
重点是那台老气横秋的Framework笔记本根本不值3000美元。
>>109404473
Really depends on the electronics inside an how good the furniture is. Whether you trust Jeetwork to handle parts that expensive is another question.
这主要取决于内部电子元件和“家具”（外壳/结构件）的质量。至于你信不信Jeetwork能妥善对待这么昂贵的零件，那就是另一回事了。
>>109402139
but but but wait till the 2027 jeet work brahminslop pro 16
但等等，等2027年那款jeet工作婆罗门屎Pro 16出来再说吧
that'll fix all the previous problems for 4,000
那将以4000美元的价格解决所有先前的问题
>>109404237
don't blame this on jeets you retard copyright shit is whitey jeets just take advantage of it. At least they offer it for free as long as you sign an NDA unlike apple who doesn't do any of this and charges and picks who they want doing what.
别把这怪到jeet头上，你这个蠢货。版权 shit 是白人搞的，jeet只是利用了它。至少他们只要你签NDA就免费提供，不像苹果不做这些却收费，还挑三拣四决定谁可以干什么。
>>109407305
>retard copyright shit is whitey jeets just take advantage of it
那些脑残的版权狗屁都是白鬼和亚裔占便宜
brown logic
棕色逻辑
>>109402841
i like how there are entire arguments itt based on the presupposition that you HAVE to pay 3000 dollars for it
我喜欢这帖里整个基于“你 MUST 花3000美元买它”这一预设的争论
>>109407515
I think about $200 is fair for any jeetwork laptop.
我认为200美元左右是任何jeework笔记本的合理价格。
>>109407548
sorry but you have to pay white man prices
抱歉，但你得付白人价格
>>109387453
at $3000 it's irrelevant if it's upgradeable.
3000美元的话，它是否可升级都无所谓了。
>>109407560
I only pay normal tier 1 vendors.
我只付钱给正常的Tier 1供应商。
>"linux laptop" now more expensive than MacBooks
>“Linux笔记本”现在比MacBook还贵
>freetards will gobble this up
>freets会蜂拥而上
top kek
顶级乐
>>109407515
Sure, now let me see your source for LPCAMM2 memory?
行，让我看看你关于LPCAMM2内存的来源？
actually i'm thinking about buying a framework
实际上我在考虑买一台Framework
just the mainboard and encasing
只要主板和外壳
Bring your own portable monitor, keyboard and mouse.
自带便携显示器、键盘和鼠标。
I don't need the housefire lithiumbank, and the touchshitpad
我不需要那个housefire锂电池和touchshitpad
>>109387453
>$3000
I'd rather just buy an Asus ROG laptop at this point..
到这时候我宁愿直接买台华硕ROG笔记本。
Anybody here already got their framework 13 pro? I'm curious about the gaming performance. Most of the reviews out don't really talk about it.
有人已经入手 Framework 13 Pro 了吗？我好奇它的游戏性能。大多数评测都没怎么提这个。
>>109387453
My M5 Pro MBP cost $2000 and makes a mockery of this thing.
我的 M5 Pro 版 MacBook Pro 花了 2000 刀，秒杀这玩意儿。
>bigger screen
>屏幕更大
>tb5
>fucks performance wise out of the box
>开箱即性能炸裂
>Final Cut Pro
> 最终剪輯 Pro
Outside of spending more money to upgrade it in 2030, what other distinctive selling points does the framework really have?
除了多花点钱到 2030 年再升级，Framework 到底还有什么独特的卖点？
>>109410443
Dont' forget the upgrade parts cost as much as a new laptop.
别忘了升级零件的费用都快够买台新笔记本了。
>>109387453
>best laptop ever made
>史上最佳笔记本
>hitches and crashes if you use that they didn't specifically use when designing the laptop
>如果你用他们设计笔记本时没专门测试过的硬件，就会卡顿和崩溃
I'll just stick with my HP Zbook Ultra G1a. I don't want to get tricked by some fucking pajeet again.
我还是继续用我的 HP Zbook Ultra G1a 吧。我可不想再被某个 fucking pajeet（注：对南亚裔的歧视性称呼）给坑了。
>>109407769
before Framework:
在 Framework 之前：
>you have to buy a Macbook instead of a Linux laptop because what are you, poor??
>你得买 MacBook 而不是 Linux 笔记本，因为你是穷逼吗？？
after Framework:
在 Framework 之后：
>you have to buy a Macbook instead of a Linux laptop because it's cheaper! it's a better deal! just buy it! buy it!!
>你得买 MacBook 而不是 Linux 笔记本，因为 MacBook 更便宜！性价比更高！买它！买它！！
I'm never going to buy a Macbook. I'm just not going to do that.
我永远不会买 MacBook。我就是不会买。
>>109387469
What the fuck isn't this the point? A system76 laptop is cheaper then
这难道不是重点吗？System76 的笔记本明明更便宜
>>109402122
>Because you can't just buy parts off the apple store that you need to replace.
>因为你在苹果商店买不到你需要更换的零件。
I buy them off amazon instead, I'm typing this to you on a 2013 Macbook with Linux on it of which I've upgraded the memory, the SSD, the keyboard, the battery, all from second hand off Amazon.
我从亚马逊上买。我现在就是用一台 2013 款的二手 MacBook 在打字，上面装了 Linux，内存、SSD、键盘、电池全是我从亚马逊上淘的二手件升级的。
Why should I give a fuck about framework again? Will I keep one of htem as long as I've kept this second hand macbook? No.
那我为什么要关心 Framework？我会像对待这台二手 Mac 一样长期使用其中一台吗？不会。
>>109387469
why the fuck would you need custom library support for restarting a system
重启系统他妈的你为什么需要自定义库支持？
They keep calling it the Macbook of Linux like thats a good thing.
他们老是把这称为“Linux 界的 MacBook”，好像是什么好事似的。
Why the fuck would I ever want a (modern) Mac?
我他妈为什么想要一台（现代的）Mac？
Listen I really appreciate someone trying especially if they keep the swappable GPU on the 16 but can we talk about how trash the rest of these are? They genuinely have the chance to build some of the best laptops of all time if only they didn't limit themselves to modernity, I mean they're still always gonna be limited by things like Intel demanding soldered CPUs and such, thats bad enough, but at least everything else they do have control over MAKE IS THICKER, ADD PORTS!! Wtf man, who the fuck is using a laptop with 4 ports and ethernet that sticks out, again good idea the modular ports but they're basically just inbuilt USB adapters? Nobody wants this thin bullshit, i dont care how much you jerk off over the geekbench score like an iFag cause you clearly ain't doing any real work with internal storage, Wifi and one monitor thats all you can plug in.
听着，我真的感谢有人尝试着去做这件事，特别是如果他们能保留 16 寸版的可换显卡的话。但咱们能聊聊这些笔记本其余部分有多垃圾吗？他们本有机会打造史上最棒的笔记本之一，如果他们不自限的话。我是说，他们仍然受限于诸如英特尔要求 CPU 焊接在主板上之类的问题，这已经够烂了，但至少其他他们能控制的地方，做厚点啊！加点接口啊！！他妈的，谁在用只有 4 个接口还带着个外凸网口的笔记本？模块化接口这主意不错，但它们基本上就是内置的 USB 转接器？没人想要这种薄如纸的 shit，你们就算像 iFag 一样为 Geekbench 跑分自慰也没用，因为你根本没用内部存储、Wifi 和只支持连一台显示器，就这些你能插的东西，你根本没有任何实际工作负载。
Also remember in some laptops you could install 3 internal HDDs? Now you get one, two M2 if you're lucky which is expensive af.
还有记得有些笔记本能装 3 个内置 HDD 吗？现在你只能装一个，运气好装两个 M.2 SSD，而且贵得要死。
They're doing the same shit as modern "indie phones".
他们干的跟现代“小众手机”一样的臭事。
I want picerel with modern internals, thats it.
我要的是现代内核搭配小像素，就这点要求。
>>109413552
Im not asking for something unrealistic here because it literally was the mainstream made by Apple/Dell and everyone else not that long ago.
我不是在提什么不切实际的要求，毕竟就在不久前，苹果、戴尔和其他厂商的主流产品都是这样的。
Infact they're more repairable than the framework as you can liveswap the battery without having to open it up or using a screwdriver.
事实上，它们比Framework笔记本更容易维修，你可以直接热插拔电池，完全不用拆机或用螺丝刀。
We literally used to have everything and then some in the XP-7 era and then blew it for some insane reason.
在XP-7那个年代，我们确实拥有过（甚至更多）这样的特性，然后不知道因为什么离谱的原因把它搞砸了。
>>109413552
modern mac but linux is gay
现代Mac但Linux是Gay的
we want modern IBM like the X40 and X60
我们想要的是像X40和X60那样现代版的IBM
>>109410949
There is none. It's a work on 80 IQ types who keep going "well why don't we just have upgradeable laptop"
根本没有。这只是些智商80的蠢货一直在嚷嚷“那我们为什么不做可升级的笔记本呢”
Never do business with shitters.
永远别跟垃圾企业合作。
>>109389897
It should be but modernity stands in the way of that, we got too many larpers apparently for there to be a market for a "Linux Macbook" who will always prioritize form over function because they're brainwashed zoomers or whatever.
本应如此，但现代化成了障碍。 apparently 我们有太多的网络角色扮演者（larpers）存在，所以“Linux版MacBook”没市场，这些人因为被洗脑成Zoomer或者其它什么，总是优先考虑外观而不是功能。
>>109392643
Which is why I find the complaint about schematics an unrealistic demand, same as soldered CPU, yes it sucks but they really can't do anything about that, but making it thin unusable shit is entirely their choice.
这也是为什么我觉得有人抱怨电路图是不切实际的要求。和焊死的CPU一样，虽然很烂，但他们确实也没辙。但做成又薄又难用的垃圾，完全是他们自己的选择。
>>109390054
>apple
>no indian CEO
>没有印度CEO
>looks at the rest of the c suite and co
>再看看其他的C层高管和公司其他人员
shiddigitty
>>109387549
It's funny how people think magnesium or aluminium are expensive.
人们总觉得镁或铝很贵，这真有趣。
What's the point of using a laptop as anything other than a thin client? Just get a cheap tablet, install termux, and bob's your uncle.
如果不把它当瘦客户机用，买笔记本有什么意义？直接买个便宜的平板，装上termux，搞定收工。
>I'm going some place without internet accessssss
>我要去一个没互联网的地方
A train ride at a place with lots of tunnels? I bet the swiss provide wifi access, there.
在满是隧道的地方坐火车？我敢打赌瑞士那边会提供WiFi。
>>109413855
>just buy a piece of shit
>直接买一堆垃圾吧
No.
>>109413552
>they should put a million ports no one uses on a laptop because i said so!
>他们应该塞一百万个没人用的接口在笔记本上，因为我说了算！
no, they seem to be doing fine business wise. i haven't been to a business that didnt have a laptop dock i couldnt use and thats how i got ethernet.
不，他们生意看起来挺好的。我还没见过哪家公司没有我能用的扩展坞，我就是这么接以太网的。
>>109413552
You really don't, you want a dock, hopefully one that is already plugged to all the devices you want to use.
你根本不需要，你想要的其实是扩展坞，最好那头已经插好了所有你要用的设备。
>>109413552
USB-C dock is the direct successor to express card and PCMCIA card.
USB-C 扩展坞就是 ExpressCard 和 PCMCIA 卡的直接继任者。
90s Thinkpad even needs a PCMCIA card to get an ethernet port.
90 年代的 ThinkPad 还得靠 PCMCIA 卡才能有以太网口呢。
>>109388046
So like pretty much every laptop?
所以这不就是跟几乎所有笔记本一样吗？
lenovo has always sold replacement parts, and sold rights to third parties to make their own replacement parts.
联想一直都有卖替换零件，也授权第三方自己造兼容零件。
And frameworks are 'repairable' but it's pale in comparisons to 2000-2010 ibm laptops that had plates with 4 screws you could remove easily to only access ram or hard drives.
Framework 是“可维修”，但跟 2000-2010 年的 IBM 笔记本比差远了，那时候卸四个螺丝就能打开盖板，直接换内存或硬盘。
I don't really get the point of paying a 2x-3x markup for a laptop that you can't even upgrade. most laptops are not upgradable because as soon as you upgrade the cpu, the entire laptop falls apart (thermal throttling, undersized power supply). But framework goes on it's way to use a special socket that only supports one cpu on their newer models, that's true even for their workstations.
我真不明白花 2-3 倍价格买一台还不能升级的笔记本图个啥。大多数笔记本不可升级是因为一换 CPU，整机就崩了（散热降频、电源不够）。Framework 还专门搞了个特殊插座，只支持一款 CPU，连他们家工作站都这样。
People just want to be able to replace battery, and maybe ssd/ram. Which you can do on any laptop that isn't soldered. The only hard part is procuring a replacement battery, but again lenovo lets third parties manufacture replacement batteries.
大家只是想能换电池，或许换个 SSD/内存。只要不是焊死的，任何笔记本都能做到。难点只是买替换电池，但联想也允许第三方生产兼容电池。
>>109404452
most harmony laptops support other os.
大多数 Harmony 笔记本支持其他系统。
they use standard intel procs.
它们用的是标准 Intel 处理器。
but they do come without an os installed, so you don't have to pay the microsoft tax
但出厂不带系统，所以你不用交微软税。
>>109387453
>no nipple
>没乳头
>no separate touchpad buttons
>没有独立触控板按键
>no numpad
>没有数字键盘
>that retarded arrow key layout
>那煞笔方向键布局
meh.
>>109387857
based numpad connoisseur
数字小键盘鉴赏家，牛
>>109415142
>USB-C dock
>USB-C 扩展坞
at that point you just described a mac
说到这份上，你就是在描述一台 Mac 了
donglebook pro virtue signaler edition
转接头本 Pro 道德标兵版
>computer with modular IO where you can replace every component as needed
>一台模块化 IO、每个部件都能按需更换的电脑
>noooo it's expensive it's le heckin mackbook for nerds
>不不不它太贵了，这不是那个给极客准备的 MacBook 嘛
>>109387453
im not going to buy a fucking laptop without a clitmouse and physical mouse buttons positioned for use with the clitmouse.
我是绝对不会买一台没有奶头鼠标、也没有配合它摆放的实体鼠标按键的笔记本的。
>>109419640
It's a macbook for the same corner of reddit who unironically own piholes.
这就是给 Reddit 上那帮认真玩 pihole 的同一拨人准备的 MacBook。
>>109419810
kek
>>109407961
>micron introduces lpcamm2 memory
>美光推出 LPCAMM2 内存
>kills crucial shortly after
>马上把 Crucial 干掉了
>no lpcamm2 on the customer market at all
>消费市场上完全没有 LPCAMM2
>>109387453
Good god it looks like the worst $250 chink laptop ever
天哪，这看起来就像最烂的 250 美元中国杂牌笔记本。 ﹎ 算了，我发现某家可疑店铺有 32GB 卖 300 美元。
>>109419901
nvm i can see $300 for 32gb available in some suspect shop
算了，我在一些可疑的店里看到有32GB卖300美元的。
>>109387512
Framework uses Inyde H2O with AMD AGESA and has signature verifications in place for the UEFI and if you replace the EC firmware they void your warranty.
Framework笔记本用的是Inyde H2O加AMD AGESA，而且UEFI有签名验证，你要是换了EC固件他们直接保修作废。
Tard bling, not really very functional but you get bling points for owning one
花里胡哨的玩意，实用性不高，但拿着它能撑点面子。
>>109387848
what would your PC cost if you bought it today? and do you bring it with you on the train very often?
你这台PC要是现在买得花多少钱？还有你经常带着它坐火车吗？
>>109387957
The 2nd one from right isn't even a usb...
右边第二个连USB都不是…… ⟦ 哦我知道了。可升级笔记本真是个蠢概念。我2015年的MBP用了11年还好好的一台，而且我买的时候还是二手才750刀。
>>109410456
Oh I know. Upgradable laptops are such a stupid concept. My 2015 MBP still works well 11 years later and I bought that thing used for $750.
我懂。可升级笔记本电脑真是个愚蠢的概念。我那台2015年的MacBook Pro用了11年还好好的，而且我当时还是花750美元买的二手货。
>>109410936
That’s fantastic! I’m happy for you. Truly.
那太棒了！我真心为你高兴。
>>109421020
>Oh I know. Upgradable laptops are such a stupid concept.
>哦我知道了。可升级笔记本真是个蠢概念。
Its a good concept we are just clowning on the "modular" ports because it sacrificed real I/O that actual people need for work.
这概念本身挺好，我们只是嘲讽那些“模块化”接口，因为它牺牲了实际工作真正需要的I/O。
Cool concept that works great for party tricks, but ultimately fails the practicality test.
概念很酷，适合拿来炫耀，但最终在实用性上还是拉胯。
For example, everyone needs a USB A port. Just fucking solder that shit it FFS
比如说，每个人都需要USB A口。直接焊死就行了，靠，真是的。
>>109413552
I like carrying around a 3.5lb 14” MBP with relevant ports. I don’t need a fucking DVI port, RS232 port, etc. Hell I don’t even need 10G Ethernet but at least that one is understandable. Get a Plugable TB5 for the desk you’re sitting at and be done with it. Current era MBP is best in class. Only thing that’d make it better is a 2000s era mechanical keyboard like what the VAIOs had.
我喜欢带着一台3.5磅的14寸MBP，接口够用。我不需要什么DVI口、RS232口之类的。靠，我连10G以太网都不需要，但至少那个还算合理。买一个Plugable的雷电5扩展坞放办公桌上就完事了。现在的MBP在同级别里就是最强。唯一能再好点的，就是配个VAIO那种2000年代风格的机械键盘。
>paying more than 2x for muh upgradeability
>为了那点升级性多付两倍多的钱
>motherboard, screen upgrades down the road also at a hefty premium
>主板、屏幕将来升级也贵得要命
>ironically macbooks are a better deal
>讽刺的是MacBook反而更划算
frameworkjeets are worse than applels.
Framework吹比苹果粉还恶心。
>>109421606
All laptops used to be upgradable. even apple used to provide schematics even electrical diagrams for repairs/upgrades.
所有笔记本以前都能升级。连苹果以前都提供原理图甚至电路图用于维修和升级。
The reality is that you can't upgrade the CPU, even if your laptop mobo socket supports a more powerful CPU, the power supply and cooler likely won't.
现实是，你没法升级CPU，就算你笔记本主板插槽支持更强的CPU，供电和散热器也未必跟得上。
So the only thing you can upgrade are ram and ssd, which is the norm on most laptops (soldered shit is still not that common)
所以唯一能升级的就只有内存和SSD，而这些在大多数笔记本上本来就是标配（焊死的玩意其实还不算那么普遍）
>>109421606
I understand the 'what if it wears out" and I agree, but like not having any ports also means youre putting way more stress on a few ones wearing them out faster. 1 USBC, 3USBA, RJ45 and HDMI are absolutely mandatory. Im not against the modules but they're so huge for no reason, make them smaller so more can fit and ffs make the RJ45 not stick out, that and the one where it has to flip down are the worst designed ports ever it should be straight up illegal. If your laptop is too thin to have a real ethernet port its a toy just use an iPad at that point cause you're clearly not doing anything serious on it that needs a laptop to begin with.
我懂“万一坏了怎么办”的想法，也赞成，但说真的，没那么多接口也意味着你把更多压力放在少数几个上，让它们磨损更快。1个USBC、3个USBA、RJ45和HDMI绝对必须得有。我不反对模块化设计，但它们搞得太大没什么道理，做小点好装更多，而且求求了别让RJ45突出来，还有那种要翻盖子的设计，那是有史以来最烂的接口设计，应该直接立法禁止。如果你的笔记本薄到装不下真网口，那它就是玩具，干脆用iPad得了，因为显然你没在做什么正经事需要笔记本。
Its so bad I just looked it up the most unusable laptop the Macbook Pro 16 5-7 ports if you cound the SD/3.5 while the Framework 16 has 6 too, wtf.
太糟了，我刚查了下，最没法用的笔记本是MacBook Pro 16，只有5-7个接口如果算上SD/3.5，而Framework 16也有6个，搞什么。
I probably can't find any other 16in laptop with only 6 ports and theres a reason for that.
我大概找不到其他任何16寸笔记本只有6个接口的，这肯定有原因。
>>109422237
Stay retarded, those are the latest machines from Apple that were usable to use as an example that yes even they once upon a time used to not be retarded but yes its about DVI in current year totally my point. That Dell Precision I've never once needed an adapter for to connect anything, the "portability" goes out the window as soon as I need to worry about carrying 50 adapters to do anything.
继续傻着吧，那些是苹果最新的机器，拿它们举例说明苹果以前也曾经不傻，但当然现在说的是DVI我还真在乎这个。那台Dell Precision我从没需要过适配器去接任何东西，一旦我得担心带50个适配器才能做事，“便携性”就完全没意义了。
I wonder how much apple spends on advertising on here of all places
我不知道苹果到底在这儿花了多少广告费，偏偏在这个地方。
>>109413552
>i dont care how much you jerk off over the geekbench score like an iFag cause you clearly ain't doing any real work
>我真不在乎你对着geekbench分数撸得多起劲，跟个iFag似的，因为你显然没干过任何正经活儿
it's sorta weird its high perf single thread is not a big selling point as im doing desktop things like anywhere. doing desktop stuff faster than any desktop as well omegalols, and the main reason why id switch to wangblows is specific software/plugins related to cloth simulation or mocap
有点怪的是，它高单线程性能并不是什么大卖点，因为我在哪儿都是干桌面那些事。而且干桌面事比任何桌面都快，简直笑死，我换到winblows的主要原因其实是特定软件/插件，跟布料模拟或动作捕捉有关的。
connecting four or more things into a laptop gets old real quick as using a laptop implies you're being mobile and would regularly unplug and plug things. it'd be far easier to adjust the workspace to accommodate a dock or if it's just one specific plug u can use a usb c adapter. macbooks before did have issues so u needed to connect both power and usb c but that's not a thing nowadays i think
往笔记本电脑上连四样以上的东西很快就让人烦了，因为用笔记本就意味着你在移动，得经常拔插设备。调整工作空间来配个扩展坞，或者如果只是一个特定接口，用个USB-C转接头就方便多了。以前的MacBook确实有问题，得同时接电源和USB-C，但现在我觉得没这回事了。
>>109425510
>I wonder how much apple spends on advertising on here of all places
>我好奇苹果在这儿到底花了多少广告费，偏偏是在这种地方
it's probably nothing because the product speaks for itself; it's just better and works well so i can focus more on other things. it's not organically brought up that much on the net either as here it seems mostly related to jeetposting using pics/points from like 2020 that are mostly irrelevant now
大概零吧，因为产品自己会说话；它就是更好用，干活顺畅，所以我更能专注别的。在网上也不是老被提起，这儿主要是拿2020年左右的图或观点来喷，那些现在基本早就过时了。
u also dun fucked up as i just fingerfucked my old ass dell precision(oh no its plastic nipple feels real sticky) and that has a DP port which is superior to your herpaderp mandatory HDMI nonsense. hdmi is for pussies haha it's like you're trying to convey something but actually you're a dumb son of a bitch! lol jokes, fagget
你也真是搞砸了，因为我刚把我那台老掉牙的戴尔Precision摸了一遍（哦卧槽，它的塑料指点杆黏得要死），那上面有DP口，比你那强制HDMI的傻逼玩意强多了。HDMI是给怂逼用的哈哈，感觉你想表达点什么，其实你就是个蠢狗！开玩笑啦，基佬
>>109413592
that reminds me of the most recent vive vr hmd as that has so much optionality in terms of hardware but gamers are too retarded to understand they are not the primary audience
这让我想起最新的Vive VR头显，硬件上选择超多，但玩家太蠢了，根本不懂他们不是主要目标群体。
why do u want a laptop that resembles the prehistoric era as im curious to hear your use case. or is it autism. it took a while but im happy that a monitor that has an inbuilt dock or a dock itself can be connected to a laptop just with one cable. that was a The Future! moment for me
你干嘛想要一台像史前时代的笔记本，我挺好奇你的使用场景。还是说就是自闭症。花了一阵子，但我很高兴现在带内置扩展坞的显示器，或者扩展坞本身，只用一根线就能连笔记本。那对我来说是个“这就是未来！”的时刻。
>>109387453
it's a problem when you get into the price range of a well-specced macbook pro, because even with upgradeability as their main selling point, a mbp will still outlast it, both in hardware longevity and resell value
当你到了高配MacBook Pro的价格区间时，这才成问题，因为就算可升级性是他们的卖点，MBP还是会比它更耐用，不管是硬件寿命还是二手转卖价值。
>>109413820
Magnesium kinda is.
镁合金还算可以。
>>109387469
Nobody uses this
没人用这个。
>>109387453
I'll consider it for the next work laptop upgrade. It's due in 2 years, so maybe the price will be better.
下次升级工作笔记本我会考虑它。还有两年到期，所以也许到时候价格会更好。
>>109387453
It's still better buying a refurbished 4-5 year old business laptop like thinkpad or elitebook and just upgrade it.
还不如买台翻新的4-5年旧商务本，比如ThinkPad或EliteBook，然后直接升级。
You'll get a far better, rugged experienced that way. And it's a lot cheaper.
那样你会得到更好、更耐操的体验。而且便宜得多。
Coworker had a framework and switched to a macbook a year later
同事之前有台Framework，一年后换成了MacBook。
Whatever that means
管它是什么意思。
>>109430890
>Want to updoot framework
>想升级Framework
>$3000 shekels price tag straight into linus property funding
>3000美刀的价格直接进Linus的资金池
>macbook is cheaper
>MacBook还更便宜
It's not that complicated.
没那么复杂。
>>109433310
>four-five year old thinkpad or elitebook
>四五年前的ThinkPad或EliteBook
>$200-$300
>upgradable ram and ssd
>可升级内存和固态
>rugged, high quality
>结实，品质高
honestly the only ones falling for it are trend chasers
说实话只有追潮流的人会上当
>>109433310
>Want to update macbook
>想更新MacBook
>Buy a new one for 3k
>花3千买台新的
Seems like both are shit options
看起来两个都是烂选项
>>109387453
>6 days ago
>6天前
>this shit thread is still up
>这烂帖还在
I'd say merge /g/ with /trash/ but that'd severely degrade the quality of /trash.
我想说把/g/和/trash/合并吧，但那会严重拉低/trash的质量。
>>109387453
they somehow made the machine look cheap
他们不知道怎么把机器做得看起来很廉价
>>109437700
All laptops are cheap. 95% of the cost is magic sand.
所有笔记本都廉价。95%的成本是魔法沙子。
>>109437823
yeah but you look at a mac or even a thinkpad or dell machine and they look expensive, idk if it is the colors or what
是啊，但你看Mac或者ThinkPad或者Dell的机器，它们看起来就很贵，不知道是不是颜色的问题还是啥
but the framework from the pic... you could perfectly mistake it for a no-brand low-end laptop
但是图里那框架……你完全可以把它当成杂牌低端笔记本
>>109437312
an equivalent m5 mbp is $2.2k tho
然而同等配置的m5 mbp要两千二美元呢
>>109402122
You can buy a laptop once (1) time and nothing breaks on it. It can be done.
你买一次笔记本，一次，然后它啥都不会坏。这是能做到的。
>>109413855
I do video editing on the go with a MacBook. It’s incredibly convenient.
我用MacBook在外出时剪视频，方便得不行。
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