Will you be buying the Framework 13 Pro laptop computer?

Yeah, the only thing it's missing at this point is a panel with HDR support (OLED perhaps?) but good OLED monitors have become cheap enough over the past few years anyway. We are even getting ARM and RISC-V development going on now. I'm not sure what else they could even consider doing here, other than a ThinkPad-esque keyboard with nipple.

是的，目前它唯一缺的就是支持HDR的屏幕（也许是OLED？），不过好在过去几年优质OLED显示器已经变得足够便宜了。我们现在甚至开始进行ARM和RISC-V的开发了。我不确定他们还能在此基础上考虑做什么，除非弄个带指点杆的ThinkPad式键盘。

Other than your /pol/tarded brain incorrectly hating [product] because [founder] has [ethnicity], what is stopping you from buying a 13 Pro other than being poor and racist? I will admit that as a recovering /pol/tard (3 years clean and sober), even I am slightly surprised the man with heritage from the Indian subcontinent was able to make the best laptop since the IBM ThinkPad.

除了你那被 /pol/ 毁掉的脑袋因为[创始人]的[族裔]而错误地黑[产品]之外，除了穷和种族主义，还有什么理由阻止你买 13 Pro？我得承认，作为一个已经戒断 /pol/ 毒瘾三年的人了，连我都有点惊讶这个有南亚次大陆血统的人能打造出自 IBM ThinkPad 以来最好的笔记本电脑。

>t. have bought and sold two framework 13s since the company was founded. Now that battery life is improved I will be buying another.

>t. 在这家公司成立之初就买过又卖过两台 Framework 13。现在电池续航改善了，我准备再入一台。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784906052726737.png

>>109359397

Shitty keyboard layout. They are missing a keyboard with the navigation keys on the right side as a column.

键盘布局真烂。他们缺的就是那种把导航键做成右侧一列的键盘。

They not even have an Ethernet port. Look like a useless machine.

他们连个以太网口都没有。看起来像个废柴机器。

>>109359426

make your own, the cad files of this thing are open source

自己动手做呗，这玩意儿的设计文件都是开源的。

>>109359426

It would be physically impossible to fit those keys into this chassis without a complete redesign or abnormally (or unusably) small keys. You are interested in the Framework 16. We are talking about the Framework 13 here.

在不彻底重新设计或者用异常（或者根本没法用）的小按键的情况下，物理上不可能把这些键塞进这个机身。你应该关注的是 Framework 16。我们讨论的是 Framework 13。

Would you also complain that a Mazda Miata doesn't have 3-row seating? Of course you don't, because that's a physical impossibility given the design of the car and so even considering it is retarded.

你会抱怨马自达 MX-5 没有三排座椅吗？当然不会，因为基于那车的设计，这在物理上是不可能的，所以连考虑这点都显得脑子有病。

>>109359443

Ethernet expansion port is available, either as pic related or built in to a TB4/USB4 dock.

以太网扩展口是有的，要么像图里那样单独买，要么集成在 TB4/USB4 扩展坞里。

Ultrabook-style laptops have never included RJ45 for as long as they've existed.

自从我知道有超极本以来，这种本子就从来不带 RJ45 网口。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784906680730849.png

I already have an M1 Macbook.

我已经有 M1 MacBook 了。

I will keep using it as long as I can get a new battery for it.

只要还能买到新电池，我会一直用它。

>>109359498

Thinkpad T16 has an Ethernet port.

Thinkpad T16 有以太网口。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784907200816620.jpg

>>109359565

The T16 isn't an ultrabook, nor does Lenovo advertise it as such

T16 不是超极本，联想也没把它当超极本来宣传。

If you want to buy Chinovo go ahead, but I just don't see a point when they blatantly took a fat shit all over IBM's perfection and Framework is better

你想买那坨中国产垃圾就买吧，但我真看不出有什么意义，毕竟他们公然把 IBM 的完美践踏了一地，而 Framework 更好。

It is very sexy but I already have the normal Laptop 13 so can't justify upgrading. I'm intending to run this mainboard until it breaks apart.

它确实很性感，但我已经有普通版 Laptop 13 了，没法合理化升级的理由。我打算用到这块主板彻底散架为止。

>>109359679

They sell a kit where you can upgrade and reuse your mainboard and top half, and get better speakers, chassis, haptic touchpad, and larger battery. Selling the old parts would get you back a good percent of the cost.

他们卖那种升级套件，让你可以升级并复用你的主板和上半部分，同时获得更好的扬声器、机身、触控板震动反馈以及更大的电池。卖掉旧部件能回血不少钱。

https://frame.work/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-upgrade-kit

>>109359637

It is thin and lightweight.

它又薄又轻。

>>109359725

The chassis may be thin and light, but the 16" panel disqualifies it.

机身可能又薄又轻，但 16 寸的屏幕直接让它出局了。

>>109359443

>>109359565

>doesnt use ethernet from his usb-c dock at the desk

>不用 USB-C 扩展坞的以太网口

ngmi

没救了（ngmi）

>>109359397

It literally has fewer ports than a modern thinkpad P14, while being more expensive for the same specs

它的接口比现代的 Thinkpad P14 还少，而且同样配置下更贵。

Like look at this shit >>109359498 it's fucking embarassing

看看这坨屎 >>109359498 真是他妈的丢人现眼。

>>109359822

>woah the ultrabook laptop has fewer ports than the workstation laptop! And is more expensive because of the engineering needed to fit parts into a smaller space!

>哇哦，超极本的接口比工作站笔记本还少！而且因为要把零件塞进更小的空间需要更多的工程投入，所以更贵！

No shit. That's been the case since literally forever. Buy the Chinovo if you want anon. But again I don't see the point because Framework won and Chinovo can never be forgiven for what they did to the Thinkpad.

废话。自古以来一直都是这样。匿名哥你想买那坨中国产垃圾就去买。但再说一遍，我真看不出有什么意义，因为 Framework 赢了，而那坨中国产垃圾对 Thinkpad 做过的事永远不可原谅。

>>109359845

>the laptop is 13.5'' instead of 14.5'' that means it is IMPOSSIBLE to fit any ports on!

>笔记本是 13.5 英寸而不是 14.5 英寸，这意味着绝对塞不下任何接口！

It's 15.85mm thick, a thinkpad P14s is about 16.2 mm thick (checking the random latest model). 0.4mm doesn't make the difference between fitting an RJ45 or not.

厚度是15.85毫米，ThinkPad P14s（查了个随机最新款）大约16.2毫米。0.4毫米的差别根本不会导致能不能塞下RJ45接口的区别。

Also

还有

>ultrabook

>超极本

It's advertised as "the ultimate developer laptop". Nowhere in the page mentions it being an ultrabook. it's framework's choice for making their "ultimate developer laptop" 13.5'' when it's basically the same market segment as 14''.

它被宣传为“终极开发者笔记本”。页面上根本没提它是超极本。这是Framework自己选择在做“终极开发者笔记本”时用13.5英寸，尽管它基本上和14英寸属于同一市场细分。

>Chinovo can never be forgiven for what they did to the Thinkpad.

>联想对ThinkPad做的事永远不可原谅。

I don't disagree but Framework is not somehow a real thinkpad either. They're still chink laptops assembled in chinkland, just with some gimmicks like swappable bezels and the weird ass port system that takes up way too much space, and a lot of marketing about their spare parts shop.

我同意这点，但Framework也不是什么真正的ThinkPad。它们依然是中国组装的“支那”笔记本，只是加了些噱头，比如可更换的面板框和那个奇怪又占空间的接口系统，还有大量关于其备件商店的营销。

>>109359907

NTA but Framework is made in Taiwan, not the PRC like Lenovo. Big difference.

不对，Framework是台湾制造的，不像联想是在中国大陆。差别很大。

>>109359460

14". full Hd. nav keys. 13 is a tad too small

14英寸。全高清。有导航键。13英寸稍微有点小。

>>109359845

>Framework won

>Framework赢了

Won what? First place at the Autism Gala?

赢了啥？自闭症慈善晚会上的第一名吗？

Their entire schtick is repairability and modularity, but what the fuck is the point if the parts are expensive and the I/O is outclassed by a 10 year old walmart-grade HP?

他们的整套卖点都是可维修性和模块化，但如果零件很贵，且I/O接口还不如10年前沃尔玛廉价惠普电脑，那到底有什么意义？

>WOAH GUYS LOOK. I can have TWO usb-c ports! And then if I want, I can just take it out and replace it with a usb-a port! Isn't that heckin' neato?

>哇哦大家看。我居然有了两个USB-C接口！而且如果我愿意，我可以直接拔出来换成一个USB-A接口！这难道不是很酷吗？

>N-no. I can't have two of each I only got the model with two modul-

>不——不行。我不能每种都有两个，我买的那个型号只支持两个模块换

Like, holy shit, their whole business model is made obsolete by an Amazon USB hub.

说真的，他们整个商业模式都被一个亚马逊上的USB集线器给淘汰了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784910955697318.gif

I wouldn't spend more than $500 on a laptop. Especially if screensharing from a desktop to a cheap laptop is an option

我不会在笔记本上花超过500美元。尤其是如果可以选择从台式机屏幕共享到廉价笔记本的话。

>>109360059

Their business model is

他们的商业模式是

>repairable

>可维修的

>upgradeable

>可升级的

>looks nice like a Macbook

>外观像MacBook那样好看

>cheaper than Lenovo or Dell

>比联想或戴尔便宜

>100.00% Linux compatible out of the box

>开箱即用100%兼容Linux

nobody buys it for the ports gimmick

没人会因为接口噱头买它

>>109360059

>Autism Gala

>自闭症慈善晚会

kek

呵呵

now point out that its all just USB dongles, but recessed

现在指出这一切不过是隐藏式的USB小尾巴罢了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784911295079156.gif

>>109360095

>repairable

>可维修的

If something breaks within three years, get a warranty replacement. If something breaks after that then buy a new laptop.

如果三年内坏了，就保修换新。如果三年后坏了，那就买台新笔记本吧。

>upgradeable

>可升级的

Anon hardly anyone "upgrades" their custom built PC outside of maybe swapping in a new GPU at some point, how many people are you expecting to be "upgrading" their framework after speccing it?

匿名者，几乎没人会去“升级”自己组装的电脑，除了可能在某个时候换个新显卡，你指望有多少人在配置好Framework之后还会去“升级”它？

>looks nice like a Macbook

>外观像MacBook那样好看

Just buy a MacBook then.

那就买MacBook呗。

>cheaper than Lenovo or Dell

>比联想或戴尔便宜

Uhhhhh fuckin' wot.

呃呃呃 搞什么鬼。

>100.00% Linux compatible out of the box

>开箱即用100%兼容Linux

Most laptops are. I'm unsure how this is a favorable point.

大多数笔记本都是这样。我不确定这怎么能算作优点。

>HDR support

>支持HDR

it was from this moment, i knew this would be a bait thread

就是那一刻，我知道这是个钓鱼帖

>>109359397

their bios updates have a 20% of bricking you and they take months/ sometimes years to patch serious security flaws

他们的BIOS更新有20%的概率变砖，而且修补严重安全漏洞往往要花几个月甚至几年。

>chiclet keyboard

>巧克力键盘

>trackpad that takes up as much space as the keyboard

>触控板占据和键盘一样大的空间

>despite this the trackpad doesn't even have real buttons

>尽管如此，触控板甚至没有真正的物理按键

lol no

哈哈 不

if I wanted garbage Apple design for fags and women I'd just buy a macbook

如果我想买给娘炮和女人用的垃圾苹果设计，我直接买MacBook就好了

>>109360303

>>chiclet keyboard

>>巧克力键盘

and what ~13 inch laptop in 2026 isn't?

而且2026年哪台~13英寸的笔记本不是呢？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784913532409341.jpg

>jeet run Startup

>Jeet Run初创公司

Shan't.

>>109360128

bait or retardation?

是钓鱼还是脑残？

>>>N-no. I can't have two of each I only got the model with two modul-

>>>不、不是。我不能每种都买两个，我只买了那两个模块的型号……

What are you talking about? There's no model with only two modules. Even their cheapest 12 has 4 modules. The 13 has 4 modules and the 16 has 6 modules. And they're TB/USB4 capable which means you can just dock it at home.

你在说什么？根本就没有只有两个模块的型号。就算是最便宜的 12 型号也有 4 个模块。13 有 4 个模块，16 有 6 个模块。而且它们都支持 TB/USB4，这意味着你在家直接 docking 就行。

The desktop has 2, but it has a full I/O on the motherboard on the back but that doesn't count.

台式机确实只有 2 个，但它主板背面有完整的 I/O 接口，不过这不算数。

What are you talking about anon? Are you retarded or just ignorant?

你在胡说什么啊 anon？你是傻还是单纯无知？

>>109360806

meant for >>109360059

是回复 >>109360059 的

>>109360303

Then I hope you enjoy your cum stained ebay thinkpad from 2011 that isn't even powerful enough to edit a 20mp photo then anon, because that's the best laptop that fits your criteria. I truly mean it.

那我就祝你在 eBay 上买的那个 2011 年的 ThinkPad 过得开心吧，那玩意儿连编辑一张 2000 万像素的照片都跑不动，anon，因为这正好符合你的要求。我是认真的。

>>109360155

>Guaranteed xorg user

>保证是个 xorg 用户

>Guaranteed has never even seen what good HDR looks like

>保证甚至没看过什么是好的 HDR

>Guaranteed thinks OLED is shit for computer monitors (but likely thinks its fine for smartphones)

>保证觉得 OLED 作为电脑显示器很垃圾（但可能觉得手机用 OLED 挺好）

>Guaranteed thinks a smartphone camera's simulated HDR is "good enough"

>保证觉得智能手机模拟 HDR 的“凑合能用”

Anything I missed?

我还有漏掉的吗？

>>109360830

don't worry that anon is enjoying their macbook just fine

别担心，那个 anon 正爽着他的 Macbook 呢

>>109359397

fuck framework

去框架（Framework）吧

I know it's not their fault there is a ram shortage, but it's still annoying.

我知道这不是他们的错，毕竟现在内存短缺，但这还是很烦人。

I'll be buying a thinkpad x1 carbon gen 14

我要买 ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 14

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784918456361690.png

>>109361263

>pro

>专业

>16GB

they should have cancelled or postponed the pre-order this just betrays user trust in favor of making a quick buck

他们应该取消或推迟预售，这纯粹是为了赚快钱而背叛了用户的信任

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784918778034824.jpg

>>109361297

>pro(stitution)

>pro（卖淫）

Because you are now Linus's slut! Be sure to watch his next tech-home upgrade, towards which you have now contributed, on your new machine!

因为你现在已经是 Linus 的小婊砸了！记得用你新机器上的他那个科技居家升级视频，你刚才可是赞助了他一把！

Do remember: Ad blocking is piracy! Be a good goy and watch it without an ad blocker. Better yet, subscribe to FloatPlane! Send a comm! Buy a screw(you) driver!

记住：广告拦截就是盗版！做个好 goy，别装广告拦截器看视频。更好的是，订阅 FloatPlane！发个 comm！买个螺丝（y）刀！

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784919413768685.jpg

>>109361382

>tech-home upgrade

>科技居家升级

Jake's farm house videos are more entertaining

杰克的农舍视频更有趣 我两个月前需要台新笔记本，本来打算凑合用个烂机器直到这个出来，但最后没买。选了台跑 CachyOS 的 T14，不过如果我这台坏了可能会考虑这个。我不是很喜欢 Intel CPU，哪怕 Panther Lake 看起来还不错，而且感觉这个型号就是围绕那个 CPU 设计的。另外价格离谱，但这对于 Framework 来说很正常。

>>109359397

i needed a new laptop two months ago and considered hobbling along on something shitty until this came out, but decided against it. went with a t14 running cachyos but might check this out if mine dies. not really a fan of intel cpus, even if panther lake seems decent, and it seemed like this model was kind of built around that. also the price is outrageous but that's standard for framework

两个月前我急需一台新笔记本，本来打算凑合用个破旧的先顶一阵，直到看到这款出来，但最后还是没选它。我入手了一台运行 CachyOS 的 T14，但如果它坏了的话，可能会考虑这台。我对 Intel 处理器一直不太感冒，即使 Panther Lake 看起来还不错，而且这款机型感觉是围绕它设计的。另外价格贵得离谱，不过这在 Framework 那里倒是常态。

>>109359397

>knockoff MBP

>山寨 MBP

no thanks

这是什么？OP又不见了？

>>109361297

you can just cancel your own preorder for a full refund of your 100$ deposit at any time

你随时可以取消自己的预售订单，全额退还你那 100 美元的定金 长知识了，Macbook 是模块化的且可升级，6 年多来组件规格一致，用盒子里送的螺丝刀就能换

>>109362702

TIL macbook is modular and upgradeable, sharing component form factors for over 6 years that can be swapped with only the screwdriver included in the box

新知识点：MacBook 是模块化且可升级的，其组件尺寸在六年多来保持一致，只需使用包装盒内附带的螺丝刀即可轻松更换。

>>109359397

>missing navigation keys

>缺少导航键

>no clit

>没阴蒂

Nope.

>>109362858

yeah and if I just order from lenovo or dell I get what I selected period

是啊，如果我从联想或戴尔订购，我得到就是我选的东西，没得商量

>>109359397

>indian ceo

>印度 CEO 我有台 Framework 笔记本，所以不。 那个模块真的烂透了。它不仅突出得难看，而且固定机制会让塑料卡扣滑到金属卡扣上面去，把 everything 都掰弯，要是有人稍微拉扯一下就会发生。 如果我只用 docking 模式，我就不会买笔记本电脑了。

No

>>109359397

I have a framework laptop, so no.

我有一台 Framework 笔记本，所以不。

>>109359498

That module sucks so much dick it's actually crazy. Not only does it protrude like that, but the retaining mechanism will allow the plastic clip to go up and over the metal clip holders and bend the fuck out of everything if anything even considers pulling on it.

这个模块真是差得离谱，简直让人无语。它不仅突出得那么夸张，而且它的固定机制会让塑料卡扣向上越过金属卡扣支架，如果有任何东西试图拉扯它，整个结构都会被掰得稀烂。

>>109359778

If I would only use it docked, I wouldn't get a notebook.

如果我只是把它 docks 使用，我就不会买笔记本了。

>>109359748

Thinkpad T14 also has Ethernet. There is no excuse to not have it.

Thinkpad T14 也有以太网接口。没有理由不保留它。

>>109359845

Framework has the same shit keyboard as the new thinkpads, but it doesn't have the clit. So it is still worse. Then it misses all the useful ports. In exchange for stupid adapters.

Framework 用的是和新款 ThinkPad 一样的垃圾键盘，但至少没那个恼人的小红点。所以它还是更烂。然后它还缺那些实用的接口，换来的是些愚蠢的转接头。

>>109359454

Yeah, let me just buy a keyboard making factory to make one keyboard retard.

是啊，让我干脆买个键盘厂，只为给一个弱智定制一把键盘。

>>109359460

HP and other laptop manufacturers were able to do it. The right side navi keys are so comfy for coding and for browsing the web. Framework is missing a big market for people who want power user keyboards. They could charge the extra markup/tax to make up for the fact that they have to make a new keyboard layout because it's actually something someone would spend the extra money to buy for comfort for their specific use case. I'm not a fan of the thinkpad nipple and their home-nav keyboard group layout, but some people who are used to using them for tech work really dig it.

HP 和其他笔记本厂商都能做到。右侧的导航键对写代码和浏览网页来说非常舒服。Framework 错失了一个想要“高级用户键盘”的大市场。他们完全可以把溢价加上去，因为为了特定使用场景的舒适度，有人愿意多花钱。我不喜欢 ThinkPad 的小红点和那种家/导航键布局，但有些习惯用这些搞技术工作的人真的很吃这一套。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784970025797139.jpg

>>109359460

>without a complete redesign or abnormally (or unusably) small keys

>不进行彻底重新设计，或者按键小得不正常（或者没法用）

On top of what the other anon said, thinkpad keyboards don't have an extra column but they have nav keys around the arrows (which are already abnormally small) and in the F-row. The top row goes Esc, F1-F12, and then Home End Insert Delete.

接楼上匿名老哥的话，ThinkPad 的键盘并没有多出一列，而是在方向键周围（方向键本身就不正常地小）以及 F 行区域放了导航键。最上面一行是 Esc、F1-F12，然后是 Home、End、Insert、Delete。

It looks like the framework keyboard spaces out their F-keys a ton so the top row has no space for anything else. And then the left/right arrow keys are double the size of up/down for some fucking reason which is the most retarded way to make an arrow cluster ever, and leaves no space for the PgUp/PgDn keys.

看起来 Framework 的键盘把 F 键间距拉得极大，导致第一行没地方放别的。然后左右方向键莫名其妙是上下方向键的两倍大，这是有史以来最弱智的方向键排列方式，根本腾不出 PgUp/PgDn 键的位置。

>>109359397

i have a pre-order in, but everyone is affected by the trackpad and display issues, and i was affected by the ram issue as per >>109361263 , which goes against what they originally said about the configuration and the price.

我下了预购单，但人人都受触控板和屏幕问题的影响，而我正如 >>109361263 所述，遇到了内存问题，这违背了他们最初关于配置和价格的说法。

a similarly specified lenovo thinkpad t14 gen 7 is now cheaper.

类似配置的联想 ThinkPad T14 Gen 7 现在更便宜。

>>109359397

I'm not buying SHIT in 20 fucking 26

老子绝不在 20 几岁买这种垃圾

>>109359397

>Will you be buying the Framework 13 Pro laptop computer?

>你会买 Framework 13 Pro 笔记本电脑吗？

no, I boughted the macbook pro m4 pro and am happy

不，我买了 MacBook Pro M4 Pro 且很满意

>>109366773

Gonna get the framework 13 pro with the more expensive ram because a thinkpad with the same specs is still more fucking expensive in europe.

我要搞个 Framework 13 Pro，配更贵的内存，因为在欧洲，同样配置的 ThinkPad 贵得离谱。

Fuck I hate the current state of modern computing

操，我讨厌现代计算机的现状

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