Lindsay Clancy Judge Says He’ll Declare a Mistrial

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A Massachusetts judge said he would declare a mistrial Friday after the jury weighing the fate of Lindsay Clancy failed for the third time to reach a verdict in the case of the mother accused of the strangling deaths of her three young children in 2023.

马萨诸塞州一名法官周五表示将裁定审判无效：陪审团第三次未能就林赛·克兰西(Lindsay Clancy)一案达成裁决。克兰西被控2023年勒死自己的三个年幼孩子。

But in a dramatic courtroom moment, Clancy’s lawyer said he wanted to appeal to a higher court. The judge granted him one hour to do so.

但法庭上戏剧性的一幕出现了：克兰西的律师表示要向上一级法院上诉，法官给了他一小时时间。

Judge William Sullivan made the announcement after the jury sent the court a note saying it was still deadlocked.

威廉·沙利文(William Sullivan)法官是在陪审团递条子称仍陷僵局后作出这一宣布的。

“I’m going to declare a mistrial at this point,” Sullivan told the court Friday morning.

“我此刻准备宣布审判无效，”沙利文周五上午对法庭说。

Both the prosecution and defense were given the opportunity to opine on the decision after the third deadlock.

第三次僵局出现后，控辩双方都有机会就该决定发表意见。

Defense attorney Kevin Reddington fought hard against a mistrial, asking for a final emergency appeal to the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, but Sullivan seemed against bringing the jury back Saturday to continue deliberating should Reddington win the appeal.

辩护律师凯文·雷丁顿(Kevin Reddington)竭力反对审判无效，请求向马萨诸塞州最高司法法院作最后一次紧急上诉，但沙利文似乎不打算在雷丁顿胜诉的情况下周六再召集陪审团继续审议。

Sullivan told Reddington he had one hour to file an emergency stay before calling the jurors back to dismiss them.

沙利文告诉雷丁顿，他有一小时提交紧急暂缓执行申请，之后将召回陪审员并予以解散。

Clancy had pleaded not guilty to three first-degree murder charges in the deaths of Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and Callan, 8 months.

克兰西对三项一级谋杀指控作了不认罪答辩，死者是5岁的科拉、3岁的道森和8个月大的卡伦。

But the jury remained deadlocked after a nearly six-week trial and seven days of deliberation.

但在近六周的庭审和七天合议之后，陪审团仍陷僵局。

The jury was tasked with determining whether Clancy was criminally responsible in her children’s deaths, or whether she was not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility because of mental illness.

陪审团要裁定的是：克兰西对孩子们的死亡负刑事责任，还是因精神疾病缺乏刑事责任能力而无罪。

Sullivan got the first deadlock note Tuesday, the fourth day of deliberations, and dismissed the jurors after asking them to continue to work toward a verdict.

沙利文在周二、合议第四天收到第一张僵局便条，要求陪审员继续朝裁决努力后才让他们退庭。

On Wednesday, the jury issued a second note saying it is “still unable to come to a unanimous decision.”

周三，陪审团递出第二张便条，称“仍无法作出一致决定”。

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>>1534069

Sullivan, at that point, read the jurors what’s known as Tuey-Rodriguez instructions, which essentially asks them to give deliberations one last chance and tells them that it’s “desirable” they reach a verdict.

当时沙利文向陪审员宣读了所谓的“图伊-罗德里格斯指示”(Tuey-Rodriguez instructions)，大意是请他们给合议最后一次机会，并告知达成裁决是“可取的”。

Under Massachusetts law, a judge can only ask a jury to keep deliberating twice, unless it consents to further deliberations. If the jury still cannot reach a unanimous verdict after the third deadlock, the judge can declare a mistrial, which Sullivan did.

按马萨诸塞州法律，法官最多只能两次要求陪审团继续合议，除非陪审团自愿。若第三次僵局后仍无法作出一致裁决，法官可宣布审判无效，沙利文就是这么做的。

Clancy’s defense argued she was not criminally responsible for the Jan. 24, 2023, killings because she was mentally ill with postpartum psychosis, a rare condition that can alter a new mother’s sense of reality and is considered a psychiatric emergency. It is more severe and less common than postpartum depression.

克兰西的辩方主张，她不该为2023年1月24日的杀人行为负刑事责任，因为她患有产后精神病(postpartum psychosis)——一种罕见疾病，会改变新妈妈对现实的感知，被视为精神科急症，比产后抑郁更严重也更少见。

Her attorneys argued that she had mentally deteriorated over the preceding months and, despite repeated efforts to seek psychiatric help including calling the suicide hotline, she was never properly diagnosed. Instead, she was given a spate of different medications over a matter of months to treat her symptoms or the adverse reactions to some of the medications.

她的律师主张，案发前几个月她的精神持续恶化，尽管多次求助——包括拨打自杀热线——却始终没有得到正确诊断，反而在几个月内被塞了一堆不同的药，用来治症状或治某些药的副作用。

In closing arguments, Reddington blamed “the damn medicine and the lousy medical care that she got” for the trajectory from happy family to the murders.

在结案陈词中，雷丁顿把这个家庭从幸福走向弑子的轨迹归咎于“那该死的药和她得到的糟糕医疗”。

He claimed the prosecution was trying to manipulate the jury by portraying Clancy as control-obsessed and for downplaying the severity of her suicide attempt, which left her paralyzed from the waist down.

他声称控方试图操纵陪审团，把克兰西描绘成控制欲极强的人，并淡化她那次自杀未遂的严重程度——那次自杀使她腰部以下瘫痪。

He doubled down on Clancy’s claim that she heard a male voice compelling her to kill her kids — a point the prosecution has tried to pick apart in trial. She told a hospital chaplain about the voice, and told her then-husband over the phone in a call heard by a forensic psychologist.

他进一步强调克兰西的说法：她听到一个男声命令她杀死孩子——这一点控方一直在庭审中试图拆穿。她曾对医院牧师说起那个声音，还在电话里告诉了当时的丈夫，一位法证心理学家听到了那通电话。

He also emphasized the testimony of forensic psychiatrist Dr. Phillip Resnick who concluded that Clancy was psychotic at the time of the murders.

他还强调了法证精神科医生菲利普·雷斯尼克(Phillip Resnick)博士的证词，后者认定克兰西作案时处于精神病状态。

>>1534070

“This young lady is not guilty of the killing of her children because she was suffering from a disease and defect,” Reddington said.

“这位年轻女士不应为孩子之死担罪责，因为她当时正遭受疾病与缺陷之苦，”雷丁顿说。

Prosecutors argued Clancy was in full control of her faculties at the time of the killings and deliberately planned the murders. They acknowledged that she was struggling with her mental health, but claimed she manipulated her doctors and treatment and argued that she was not in psychosis at the time of the killings.

检方主张克兰西作案时心智完全清醒，并蓄意策划了谋杀。他们承认她确有心理健康问题，但称她操纵了自己的医生和治疗，并主张案发时她并未处于精神病发作状态。

They argued she intentionally sent her then-husband, Patrick Clancy, out to pick up dinner and go to CVS the evening of the murders. They said she looked up how long the trip would take and called the store to make sure it had a medication in stock to buy herself enough time.

他们主张，案发当晚她故意支走当时的丈夫帕特里克·克兰西(Patrick Clancy)去取晚餐、去CVS。他们说，她查了这趟路要多久，还打电话给药店确认有药可买，好给自己争取足够时间。

Then, Clancy methodically killed the kids one after another and then attempted suicide by throwing herself out of her second-story bedroom window, prosecutors said.

检方称，随后克兰西有条不紊地把孩子们一个接一个杀死，然后跳出自家二楼卧室的窗子企图自杀。

Patrick Clancy testified that he returned home that evening to find “blood everywhere.”

帕特里克·克兰西作证说，当晚他回到家，看到“到处是血”。

Clancy was bleeding on the ground outside their home, he said. The children were in the basement, unresponsive and with exercise bands around their necks.

他说，克兰西当时躺在屋外地上流血。孩子们在地下室，已无反应，脖子上缠着健身弹力带。

While the trial has seen Clancy emerge as a symbol of the problems plaguing maternal healthcare, in her closing arguments, Plymouth County Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague told the jury this trial wasn’t about the mental health system or how it treats women.

尽管在庭审过程中克兰西渐渐成了妇产医疗体系积弊的象征，但普利茅斯县助理地区检察官詹妮弗·斯普拉格(Jennifer Sprague)在结案陈词中告诉陪审团，这场审判无关心理健康体系，也无关它如何对待女性。

Sprague conceded Clancy had mental health issues and was depressed. But, she said, it wasn’t the fault of the providers that Clancy wasn’t getting better.

斯普拉格承认克兰西有心理健康问题、患有抑郁。但她说，克兰西没好起来，不是医疗提供者的错。

In the months leading up to the killings, Clancy told family members she was getting better but told psychiatrist, Dr. Jennifer Tufts, that she was depressed, Sprague said.

斯普拉格说，在案发前的几个月里，克兰西对家人说自己好转了，但对精神科医生珍妮弗·塔夫茨(Jennifer Tufts)博士说自己抑郁。

But she didn’t tell Tufts the whole story either, Sprague said.

但斯普拉格说，她对塔夫茨也没有和盘托出。

>>1534072

During her sessions with Tufts, Clancy “denied having a suicide plan, denied wanting to hurt anyone else, denied voices” and “showed no signs of psychosis.”

在与塔夫茨的诊疗中，克兰西“否认有自杀计划，否认想伤害别人，否认听到声音”，并且“没有任何精神病发作迹象”。

Sprague walked the jury through the killings, detailing how Clancy used the exercise bands to strangle her children, calling it as “extreme atrocity and cruelty.”

斯普拉格向陪审团逐一还原案发经过，详述克兰西如何用健身弹力带勒死孩子，并称之为“极端的残暴与残忍”。

“Those kids were her protective factor,” Sprague said. “Those kids were keeping her from ending her misery. And so she had to remove the protective factor. … It was a choice.”

“那几个孩子是她的保护因素，”斯普拉格(Sprague)说。“那些孩子在阻止她终结自己的痛苦。所以她必须移除这个保护因素。……那是一个选择。”

The livestreamed trial captivated the nation and prompted an outcry of support for Clancy, with hundreds gathering outside of the courtroom in solidarity. It also spawned conspiracy theories and chatter on social media by armchair crime junkies.

直播的庭审吸引了全国目光，引发了对克兰西(Clancy)的支持声浪，数百人聚集在法庭外声援。它还催生了各种阴谋论，以及键盘犯罪迷在社交媒体上的喋喋不休。

>Finished

>>1534069

Reminder that this trial isn't to determine whether or not she goes free. It's to determine if she goes to prison or a psyche ward.

提醒一句：这场审判要决定的不是她能不能脱罪，而是她进监狱还是进精神病院。

>>1534096

I always find it funny when people think being found insane by a court or mentally unfit to stand trial is getting off easy or somebody getting away with it. The nut hut they put you in when you're found insane is so miserable you would wish they threw you in a federal prison instead.

我总觉得好笑：有人以为被法院判定精神失常或不适合受审就是轻判、就是逍遥法外。被判精神失常后送进去的那个疯人院惨到你会宁愿他们把你扔进联邦监狱。

>>1534098

If you get sent to the "nut hut" you only have to stay there until you're "healed". If you go to jail it would be (in this case) three life sentences w/o parole.

如果你被送进“疯人院”，你只需要待到“治好”为止。要是进监狱，那（本案）就是三个无假释的终身监禁。

>>1534100

>If you get sent to the "nut hut" you only have to stay there until you're "healed"

>如果你被送进“疯人院”，你只需要待到“治好”为止

Reminder that Andrea Yates got found not guilty in similar circumstances almost 20 years ago and is still in a mental hospital with no signs of being cleared for release to this day.

提醒一句：差不多 20 年前，安德里亚·耶茨(Andrea Yates)在类似情形下被判无罪，至今仍在精神病院，丝毫没有获准释放的迹象。

>>1534100

Are women who kill kids treated like chomos are in men's prison?

杀孩子的女人在女子监狱里，待遇会像男监里的恋童癖那样吗？

>>1534069

I don't know any of these people, but it should be clear to most people that from the features of her face and the color of her skin that she is crazy. It can only be surprising that so many people relate to the situation

这些人我一个都不认识，但大多数人应该看得出来：从她的面部特征和肤色看，她就是疯了。让人意外的只是居然有这么多人对她的处境感同身受

>>1534104

She's also schizo bipolar before her postpartum depression, I doubt she's ever going to be released.

她在产后抑郁之前就有精神分裂和双相，我怀疑她永远别想被放出来。

>>1534104

She can challenge the court order keeping her there at any time, she has waived that right. And fyi, she escaped the chair and now lives in relative luxury.

她随时可以挑战把她关在里面的法院命令，是她自己放弃了这项权利。顺便说一句，她逃过了电椅，现在过得相对奢华。

>>1534129

>She can challenge the court order keeping her there at any time, she has waived that right.

>她随时可以挑战把她关在里面的法院命令，是她自己放弃了这项权利。

You act like getting out of being institutionalized is easy. People have literally run experiments where they fake being mentally unwell than stop as soon as they get checked in; they usually have to resort to having outsider sources verify they were faking it because they wouldn't let them go otherwise.

你说得好像从收容机构出来很容易似的。真有人做过实验：假装精神异常，一入院就停止表演；结果他们往往得靠外部的人来证明自己是装的，否则根本不放人。

>And fyi, she escaped the chair and now lives in relative luxury.

>顺便说一句，她逃过了电椅，现在过得相对奢华。

She's in a mental hospital retard. Those aren't fun places to be, even the low sec ones.

她在精神病院呢，智障。那不是什么好待的地方，低安保的也不是。

>>1534136

>She's in a mental hospital retard. Those aren't fun places to be, even the low sec ones

>她在精神病院呢，智障。那不是什么好待的地方，低安保的也不是

Hence I said "relative" luxury. Relative to death row, it's very luxurious.

所以我说的是“相对”奢华。相对死刑牢，那是非常奢华了。

>It's hard

>很难

Yes, but doable.

对，但可行。

>>1534137

>Hence I said "relative" luxury. Relative to death row, it's very luxurious.

>所以我说的是“相对”奢华。相对死刑牢，那是非常奢华了。

A prison is still a prison anon.

老哥，监狱终究是监狱。

>>1534148

Yeah bud, all prisons are like death row in fucking Texas.

对对对兄弟，所有监狱都跟他妈的德州死囚区一个样。

>>1534148

STILL FUCKING NOTHING, hang yourself immediately

还是他妈的什么都没有，立刻上吊去

Pretty obvious at this point Clancy is not guilty and was gaslit by her husband into taking the blame.

很显然，克兰西是无罪的，是她丈夫gaslight她、让她背的锅。

Why do women even have the right to vote if they can't be responsible for their actions?

如果女人无法为自己的行为负责，她们凭什么有投票权？

>>1534104

And multiple other killers sent to the madhouse get unescorted weekend passes, or week passes, or are living completely free and only have to check in to speak to a shrink once every 28 days despite no particular court order freeing them.

还有好几个被送进疯人院的杀手，能拿到无陪同的周末通行证、一周通行证，甚至完全自由生活，只需每 28 天去和精神科医生聊一次——尽管没有任何法院命令解除对他们的收容。

>>1534166

Yeah source on that?

行，信源呢？

>>1534169

It might just be how esl shills third world country handles asylums

可能只是 ESL 狗托那个第三世界国家管理疯人院的方式

could be why they chimp out when hearing that word

怪不得他们一听到这个词就炸毛

>>1534148

Yeah like that one Martha Stewart was in. They're all the same right? No difference in "luxury"?

对，就像玛莎·斯图尔特(Martha Stewart)待过的那种。都一样对吧？“奢华”程度毫无区别？

>>1534171

>Guys a luxury white collar prison is totally the same as a mental institution

>各位，豪华白领监狱和精神病院完全是一回事

>>1534169

One of them is named Abdulloi Doniyor Toshpulodzoda, he's probably in Tajikistan now because he fled while on a 48 hour leave from the mental hospital he was committed to after killing someone.

其中一个叫 Abdulloi Doniyor Toshpulodzoda，他现在多半在塔吉克斯坦——他在杀人后被收进精神病院，却在一次 48 小时请假期间跑了。

>>1534173

>now because he fled while on a 48 hour leave from the mental hospital he was committed to after killing someone.

>现在在塔吉克斯坦——他在杀人后被收进精神病院，却在一次 48 小时请假期间跑了。

This leaves out the fact he was in said mental hospital for 4 years.

这话漏了一点：他在那家精神病院待了 4 年。

>>1534172

A prison is still a prison anon.

老哥，监狱终究是监狱。

>>1534174

Ok? A prison sentence for murder is usually twice that or longer, with no weekend breaks.

所以呢？谋杀罪的刑期通常是这个的两倍以上，而且没有周末假。

>>1534177

>Had to spend 4 years in a mental institution and can never step foot in the US again

>不得不在精神病院待 4 年，而且永远不能踏进美国一步

Yeah he got off real light. Side note: This was only possible because the prosecution stupidly let him apply for a fucking passport.

对，他受到了超轻的惩罚。另外：这一切之所以可能，是因为检方蠢到让他申请到了一本他妈的护照。

>>1534178

And that not guilty by way of insanity means not guilty as far as the automated systems that flag wanted felons who try to get on flights are concerned.

而且“因精神失常判无罪”意味着：在那些标记通缉重罪犯试图登机的自动化系统眼里，他就是“无罪”。

>>1534179

>And that not guilty by way of insanity means not guilty as far as the automated systems that flag wanted felons who try to get on flights are concerned.

>而且“因精神失常判无罪”意味着：在那些标记通缉重罪犯试图登机的自动化系统眼里，他就是“无罪”。

Actually he was able to get on that flight because he was self-deporting per an DHS order.

实际上他能登机是因为他在按国土安全部(DHS)的命令自我遣返。

Also, convicted felons can get on flights, what the fuck are you talking about? Unless there's an active warrant out for your arrest or you're on a security list, they won't deny you a flight for having a criminal record.

另外，被定罪的重罪犯是可以登机的，你他妈在说什么？只要没有在执行的逮捕令、也不在安全名单上，没人会因为你有犯罪记录拒绝你登机。

>>1534069

wow the pushover judge that let the procecutor literally bring up mortal sin twice and blatantly lie in front of cameras saying they weren't looking to argue that her sucide attempt was fake after a week of claiming it was superficial finally declares a mistrial.

哇，那个软骨头法官——任由检察官当着镜头两次提“致命重罪”、公然撒谎说没打算主张她的自杀是装的（此前一整周都咬定伤口是浅表的）——终于宣布流审了。

Crazy how this case utterly exposed liggeral women as the child killing feminazis they are. No wonder they love abortion. Millions of innocent babies murdered per year.

可怕的是这个案子彻底暴露了自由派女人就是杀孩子的女权纳粹本色。怪不得她们热爱堕胎。每年几百万无辜婴儿被谋杀。

guess who's attention whoring again

猜猜谁又在哗众取宠了

>>1534193

just filter the l word and force esl shill to act like an American if they want to converse

过滤 L 开头那个词就行，逼 ESL 狗托想聊天就先表现得像个美国人

>>1534098

You can get out of the nut hut when you “show you’re better” you’re in prison for however long they say save in cases where parole is an option. And it’s not an option for shit like this. Ideally she should hang, but since the death penalty is out of the question prison is the next best option.

你“表现出好转”就能离开疯人院，而监狱要关满他们说的年限，除非有假释——而这种案子不可能有假释。理想情况她该上绞架，但既然死刑没戏，监狱是次优选项。

>>1534205

the 3 quack "doctors" she visited should hang too one advertised themselves as an expert despite being on the job for under a month and they never cross-referenced her file so they each prescribed her medication that made her get worst and worst.

她看过的那 3 个江湖“医生”也该绞死。有一个入职不到一个月就敢自称专家，他们仨还从不交叉核对她病历，各开各的药，药越吃越糟。

If you watched the trial, there's a reason people are support lindsay and it isn't because they want to murder kids, the prosecution should've been reprimanded and fired. Personally i want lindsay to get off, because that karen cunt of a procecutor being able to use this trial as a stepping stone for her career after the shit she pulled is a bigger tragedy then 3 dead kids unironically.

你要是看了庭审，就知道人们支持 Lindsay 的原因不是他们想杀孩子；检方本该被训诫开除。我个人希望 Lindsay 脱罪，因为那个 karen 母狗检察官在她干了那些事后还能把这场审判当职业跳板，说实话比 3 个死掉的孩子更是悲剧。

>>1534206

>I want a mass-murderer to get off because I don't like the prosecutor

>我希望一个杀人犯脱罪，因为我不喜欢检察官

Holy shit. We are so cooked as a nation.

我的天。作为一个国家我们完蛋了。

>>1534206

The reason people supported her was because they saw themselves in the same situation and don’t want to be punished or are simps who wanted pussy.

人们支持她的原因，是他们在她身上看到了自己、不想被惩罚，要么就是想上床的舔狗。

>it isn't because they want to murder kids

>不是他们想杀孩子

Yeah it’s because they want to get away with it.

对，是因为他们想犯了事也能逍遥法外。

>Personally i want lindsay to get off, because that karen cunt

>我个人希望 Lindsay 脱罪，因为那个 karen 母狗

How about you blow your brains out with a shotgun before you kill any kids your vile subhuman.

在你去害任何孩子之前，先用霰弹枪把自己的脑袋轰了吧，你这个恶心的次人类。

>>1534208

>>1534206

No it's because they're conspiracy-brained quacks that are convinced she literally didn't do it and her husband framed her. It's as simple as that. It's that fucking stupid.

不，是因为他们是阴谋论脑的江湖骗子，坚信她真的没干、是她丈夫陷害她。就这么简单。就是这么他妈的蠢。

>>1534207

>I want a mass-murderer to get off

>我希望一个杀人犯脱罪

If you think this is the case you're terminally retarded.

你要真这么认为，那你就是无可救药的智障。

She's not getting off regardless of the outcome

无论结果如何她都脱不了罪

>>1534207

I want her thrown into an asylum and the quack doctors to be lynched how's that controversal

我倒想看她被扔进精神病院、那些江湖医生被私刑处死，这有什么争议的

>>1534208

that's the incel asmongold-lite uneducated take.

这是处男版弱化 Asmongold 的没文化论调。

You'll see alot of support for her in the law community because the trial was a shitstain of a procecution. There's obviously a good case to procecute her but the way it went about this time was actual shit.

法律圈会大量支持她，因为这次起诉就是一场烂透的表演。起诉她当然有正当理由，但这次的方式就是一坨屎。

Ahh yes thanks for showing yourself as another uneducated tiktok tourist, I hope you get murdered by a raving lunatic and they get off because ur a worthless piece of shit who'd deserve it

哦对，谢谢你又暴露自己是个没文化的 TikTok 游客。希望你被一个疯子杀死、而疯子还能脱罪，因为你是个活该被杀的废物

>>1534209

They know she did it, if they didn’t think she did it they would still be pushing the husband angle. They’re pushing that she was temporarily fucked up and not responsible.

他们知道是她干的。要是不觉得是她干的，他们就会继续往丈夫身上引。他们主张的是她当时暂时精神失常、不该担责。

>>1534211

>that's the incel asmongold-lite uneducated take

>这是处男版弱化 Asmongold 的没文化论调

If you’re going to prove me right at least just say you’re a retard who gets all of his opinions from some shitcord server.

你要非证明我说的对，那至少承认你是个观点全来自某个烂 Discord 服务器的智障。

>You'll see alot of support for her in the law community

>法律圈会大量支持她

There isn’t, you’re making shit up to try and make yourself seem legitimate when the reality is you’re supporting a child killer because you’re desperate for pussy.

没有那回事，你在编东西给自己脸上贴金，实际情况就是你因为极度缺女人而支持一个杀孩子的凶手。

>Ahh yes thanks for showing yourself as another uneducated tiktok tourist

>哦对，谢谢你又暴露自己是个没文化的 TikTok 游客

Is uneducated the new buzzword you’re going with?

“没文化”是你这阵子的新口头禅？

>>1534210

I mean she's not getting off easy even if she was found completely innocent and released; she's still paralyzed from the waist down from the subsequent suicide attempt.

就算她被判完全无罪、当庭释放，她也谈不上“轻松脱身”：随后的自杀未遂让她腰部以下瘫痪了。

>>1534209

her doing it isn't even in contention, literally she is pleading not guilty due to insanity. No one not even her and her defense is disputing she did it.

“是不是她干的”根本不在争议范围内，她就是以精神失常为由做无罪辩护。包括她本人和辩方在内，没有任何人否认是她干的。

So far the prosecution's amazing evidence has been 1 dogshit argument that her wounds were "superficial" because people commiting sucide supposedly don't hesistate, that she was acting like a normal person before it happened and a fucking rubber loop knot that didn't hold (because the fucking procecutor tied it without a neck to hold it around)

到目前为止，检方那“惊人证据”包括：一个狗屎论点——她的伤口是“浅表的”，因为 supposedly 真想自杀的人不会犹豫；说事发前她表现正常；还有他妈的一个没系住的橡胶带结（因为那个检察官绑的时候脖子上根本没东西可绕）

>>1534214

If they want to prosecute her maybe make an actual case that isn't bullshit. they claimed she was doctor shopping then it came out her doctors literally didn't even cross-reference her file and administrated her conflicting drugs that likely worsened her situation.

要起诉她就拿出一个不扯淡的案子来。他们先是说她逛医生买药，结果爆出她的医生们压根没交叉核对病历，给她同时开了相互冲突的药，多半让她的情况更糟。

Then we had a bunch of utterly pointless witnesses including one that was along the lines of hey could you describe the process of dissecting the kids to the jury please, isn't that awful don't you feel bad for the dead kids jury members this isn't evidence but you should feel mad now right there's 0 evidentiary value but its fine judge pushover will let it through.

然后是一堆毫无意义的证人，其中一位大意是：陪审团各位，能不能麻烦你们描述一下解剖孩子们的过程？是不是很可怕？是不是为死去的孩子们难过？这不是证据，但你们现在该生气了对吧——证据价值为零，但没关系，软骨头法官会放行的。

not reading ur shit but you should read mine you uneducated tourist

你那套屁我不看，但你该看看我的，你这个没文化的游客

>>1534210

>she's not getting off

>她脱不了罪

>she's just going to an asylum for a few years until a doctor declares her sane and releases her.

>她只是要去精神病院待几年，等医生宣布她痊愈就放出来。

>CLEARLY this is a worse fate than consecutive life sentences in a maximum pound-me-in-the-ass prison

>“显然”这比在“把屁股干烂”级别的重刑监狱里数个终身监禁要好受多了

>>1534211

>I want a killer to live and random doctors to die for incompetence

>我希望凶手活着，而随机的医生因为“失职”去死

>also kill the prosecutor for being a cunt

>还要杀检察官，因为她是母狗

Ouch! Careful with that edge, bro!

哎哟！锋利了，兄弟，当心割手！

>>1534214

>There isn’t, you’re making shit up to try and make yourself seem legitimate when the reality is you’re supporting a child killer because you’re desperate for pussy.

>没有那回事，你在编东西给自己脸上贴金，实际情况就是你因为极度缺女人而支持一个杀孩子的凶手。

actually you should stop being a retard and actually look but you're too stupid and in denial to look at reality. The law community's overwhelmingly on her side due to the prosecution's actions. The people who aren't are tourists like you who are so illinformed about the case they distill it to baby killer supporters want her free.

其实是你该停止犯智障、睁眼看看，但你太蠢太否认现实。法律界一边倒地站她那边，因为检方的所作所为。不站的是你这种游客，对案子一无所知，只会把一切浓缩成“支持杀婴犯的人想放她自由”。

Fucking STUPID RETARDs like you

像你这种该死的蠢智障

>>1534136

Clancy will walk after a short inpatient vacation, and Yates and the others will obviously be released based on the precedent this will set.

克兰西会在一段短期住院“度假”后走出来，耶茨和其他人也会基于此案立下的先例被放出来。

Or, we could, as a nation, do away with NGRI as a feature of the court, it being an antiquated and politicized mechanism for shirking the hard work of critical thinking and human deliberation.

或者，我们这个国家可以干脆废除 NGRI（因精神失常判无罪）这一法院机制——它是个陈旧又被政治化的玩意儿，专门用来逃避严谨思辨和人性审议的苦功。

>>1534217

incompetent and stupid people shouldn't be rewarded aka you and the prosecute its not my fault you're a subhuman tourist who loves to have an opinion on a case you watched a 2min tiktok clip about.

无能又愚蠢的人不该被奖励，说的就是你和检方。一个看了 2 分钟 TikTok 剪辑就对案子高谈阔论的次人类游客，可不能怪我

what a fucking loser. ahh yes muh pussy people defending her want muh pussy. gotta love the random insertions because you jumped into a situation you know nothing about and now look like a retard

真是个他妈的失败者。哦对，“支持她的人都是想上床”。真是爱死这种莫名其妙的插入了——你冲进一个你一无所知的局面，现在活像个智障

>>1534219

she's not walking free if she gets found not guilty in a subsequent trial, her name is literally all over the news imagine being the facility that holds the prisoner of the year and letting her loose after a month

就算她在后续审判被判无罪，她也走不了。她的名字满新闻都是。想想看，你是个收容机构，收着“年度囚犯”，一个月后就放人？

>>1534220

>incompetent and stupid people shouldn't be rewarded

>无能又愚蠢的人不该被奖励

So why can't we kill you the same way you want to kill these three doctors?

那为什么我们不能像你想杀那三个医生那样杀了你？

>>1534216

She had enough frame of mind to send her husband away so she could kill the kids and when she committed herself she didn’t tell them she was suicidal and wanted to kill herself/her kids since that would have led to her being involuntarily committed. No one forced the pills down her throat nor did they make her do any of the awful shit she did. Trying to pin this entirely on the unethical retards who just give out pills is denying the concept of individual free will.

她头脑足够清醒，能把丈夫支开去杀孩子；她自首入院时也没说自己有自杀念头、想自杀或杀孩子——因为说了就会被强制收容。没人把药片塞她喉咙，也没人逼她干那些恶事。把这一切全赖给那些只会开药的缺德智障，等于否认个人自由意志这个概念。

>>1534218

All you can do is cry how I need to do shit because you can’t present anything yourself. You’re wrong and know it, you just want to defend some bitch who murdered her kids because you think it will get you pussy.

你只会哭喊“你得去看”，因为你拿不出任何东西。你错了而且自己知道。你就是想给一个杀了自己孩子的贱人辩护，因为你觉得这样能上床。

>The law community

>法律界

No it’s not, you need to say this because you think ad populum is going to fool anyone.

不是的。你非这么说，是因为你觉得诉诸多数能骗到人。

>>1534222

I actually watched the case henceforth i am not an ignorant bumbling retard like you who knows nothing but the tiktok take of babykiller wants to go free. people like you are of 0 worth in discourse because you came in here to shout a retarded illinformed opinion without a single fact besides your emotional baby outburst.

我真的看了整个案子，所以不像你这种对一切一无所知、只晓得“杀婴犯想脱罪”这种 TikTok 论调的无知智障。像你这种人在讨论里一文不值，因为你冲进来就吼一个智障又无知的观点，除了一通情绪化的护婴爆发，连一条事实都没有。

>>1534223

he called her and she asked him to get takeout, that's not sending him away and if you actually looked at the witness it wasn't some super far away place it was a half hour drive.

是他打电话给她，她让他去买外卖。那不叫支开。而且你要真看了证人证词，他去的地方不远，开车半小时。

Ahh yes because this case definitely isn't over the fact that she was literally unable to be in control of her free will and mind during that moment. Great to see how fucking stupid you are.

哦对，这个案子当然不是关于她在那一刻字面意义上无法掌控自己的自由意志和心智。真高兴看到你他妈的有多蠢。

>>1534223

I'm sorry you're an uneducated pissbaby to whom evidence and nuance are poison because you can't comprehend.

很遗憾你是个没文化的哭婴，证据和细微差别对你是毒药，因为你理解不了。

>>1534224

Good for you. Still doesn't answer my question. If you think it's okay to delete three doctors because you don't think they did their job right, why can't I put a 12-gauge to your head and blow it smooth off and walk away without a murder charge? I'd be giving a major contribution to society.

祝贺你。但这还是没回答我的问题。如果你觉得因为三个医生“没干好本职”就可以删掉他们，那为什么我不能拿 12 号口径霰弹枪顶住你的脑袋、把它轰得平平整整，然后不用背负谋杀罪扬长而去？我这是在为社会做重大贡献。

>>1534219

>Clancy will walk after a short inpatient vacation, and Yates and the others will obviously be released based on the precedent this will set.

>克兰西会在一段短期住院“度假”后走出来，耶茨和其他人也会基于此案立下的先例被放出来。

???

No?

That's not how precedent works. Insanity defense is determined by a case by case nation; if one person is found not guilty it means nothing for the next person. Fucks sake you're forgetting Yates was found not guilty.

先例不是这么运作的。精神失常抗辩是一案一议的；一个人被判无罪对下一个人毫无意义。拜托，你都忘了耶茨当年就是被判无罪的。

>>1534226

actually you'd be doing a bigger contribution to society by just killing yourself, uneducated stupid people like yourself shouldn't be allowed an opinion that's causing the downfall of society.

其实你直接自杀对社会的贡献更大，你这种没文化的蠢人不该被允许发表拖垮社会的观点。

also those doctors objectively did their jobs badly and are currently being sued for it.

另外那几个医生客观上确实把活干砸了，现在正被起诉呢。

>>1534219

>Or, we could, as a nation, do away with NGRI as a feature of the court,

>或者，我们这个国家可以干脆废除 NGRI（因精神失常判无罪）这一法院机制，

Fuck no. Pretending like there aren't scenarios where someone is not responsible for their actions because of things they cannot control is denial of basic reality. You cannot hold someone who had untreated mental illness and had no idea what they were doing and someone who consciously and willingly harmed another human intentionally to the same standard.

绝对不行。假装不存在“有人因自己无法控制的原因而不该为行为负责”的情形，就是否认基本现实。你不能用一个标准去衡量一个患未治疗精神疾病、根本不知道自己在干什么的人，和一个有意识、自愿、蓄意伤害他人的人。

This entire take is born of a completely delusional and arguably juvenile take that mental health facilities are revolving doors like Arkham Asylum.

你这整套观点完全建立在一种妄想式、甚至可以说幼稚的认知上：以为精神卫生机构是阿卡姆疯人院那种旋转门。

>>1534229

>also those doctors objectively did their jobs badly and are currently being sued for it.

>另外那几个医生客观上确实把活干砸了，现在正被起诉呢。

But not killed, because thankfully people like you aren't in charge of society.

但没被杀掉，因为谢天谢地，社会上掌权的不是你这种人。

>>1534225

>he called her and she asked him to get takeout, that's not sending him away

>是他打电话给她，她让他去买外卖。那不叫支开

It is keeping him out of the house you pathetic samefagging axewound.

那是让他离开这个家，你这个可悲的自问自答的斧劈伤。

>was a half hour drive

>开车半小时

Which is enough time to kill their kids.

足够杀光她的孩子了。

>Ahh yes because this case definitely isn't over the fact that she was literally unable to be in control of her free will

>哦对，这个案子当然不是关于她在那一刻字面意义上无法掌控自己的自由意志

Which is something you can’t say she couldn’t do and now how to just appeal to ignorance and cry when people call out your retarded narrative.

这你无法证明她说不可能，现在你只能诉诸无知，被人拆穿你那智障叙事就开始哭。

>I'm sorry you're an uneducated pissbaby

>很遗憾你是个没文化的哭婴

How does it feel to know that at every turn you get smacked down by people you think are dumber than you and have to cope by being a tumor so they will not want to engage? Because that never works. You’ll just end up showing you have nothing and end up getting btfo no matter what. Then run your you hugbox echo chamber to dilate and get reinforcement on how you’re not a mentally ill genetic dead end who hates everyone and everything because he is fundamentally broken, but at the same time too much of a narcissistic piece of shit to admit that.

每次都被你自认为更蠢的人按在地上摩擦，你只能靠当颗肿瘤让人不想理你来自我安慰，那是什么感受？因为那从来没用。你只会暴露自己一无所有、不管怎样都会被 BTFO。然后躲回你的抱抱团回音室自我扩约，反复确认自己不是个因为根本性残破而憎恨一切人一切物的精神疾病基因死胡同——同时又自恋到死也不肯承认。

>>1534231

ahh yes poisoning someone is fine though.

哦对，给人下毒就没问题了。

retard

>>1534230

Okay, feel free to execute them instead.

行啊，那你随意处决他们好了。

>>1534233

You’re fine with being poisoned when you take your SSRIs everyday and defend them by saying they’re good because they numb you enough to make you swallow whatever gay propaganda that is pushed on you. But thanks for admitting that you know it’s poison.

你每天吃 SSRI，一边辩护说它们好、因为麻到你能把灌给你的任何 gay 宣传都咽下去——那你不也乐于被下毒？不过还是谢谢你承认你知道那是毒药。

>>1534232

yes because he doesn't need to work and she literally had dozens of oppertunity across the week if ur just looking for 30min timeframes.

对，因为他不用上班，而一周里她随便就有几十个 30 分钟的空档。

god conspiracy theorists like you are stupid, fart smellers.

天呐，你这种阴谋论者真蠢，闻屁虫。

do you get mad when a chimpanzee thinks its fish and drowns? that's what you're doing right now you're such an uneducated loser the only reason i'm replying to you is because i'm eating right now and need a distraction

黑猩猩误以为自己是鱼然后淹死了你会生气吗？你现在干的就是这种事。你这种没教育的失败者，我回复你的唯一原因是我在吃饭，需要个消遣

>>1534098

>>1534104

The guy who beheaded someone on a Greyhound bus and ate his organs (I think his cock?) eventually got to be sent home totally free and without needing go be monitored. I think she just needs to not kill babies and she'll get off pretty quick. Until a simp impregnates her...

那个在灰狗巴士上砍人头、吃内脏（我记得有那玩意儿？）的人，最后完全自由地被送回了家，都不需要监控。我觉得她只要不再杀婴儿，很快就能出来。直到某个舔狗把她搞怀孕……

Fun Fact: JEFFERY DAHMER, the CANNIBAL serial killer, tried the I was crazy defence. He failed.

冷知识：食人连环杀手杰弗里·达默(JEFFERY DAHMER)试过“我当时疯了”的抗辩。他失败了。

>>1534235

gotta love the self-projection, somehow i'm both simultaneously an incel, a tranny and a terf.

真喜欢这种自我投射，我同时既是处男、又是变性人、又是排跨激进女权(terf)。

Lot of non-Americans in this thread wanting to hurt a sick woman

本楼好多非美国人想伤害一个生病的女人

>>1534236

You acknowledge that she did do it to keep him away and now need to sow doubt about her not doing it sooner despite the fact that this is the specific instance listed where she did something like this.

你承认了她是干了这事来支开他，现在又得为“她早就没干了”散布怀疑，尽管这正是列出来的她干过这种事的具体一例。

>god conspiracy theorists like you are stupid, fart smellers

>天呐，你这种阴谋论者真蠢，闻屁虫

You can’t argue anything so all you can do is rage and cry about how you’re narrative is being ripped apart and project your own emotional instability onto me.

你辩不过任何东西，所以只能暴怒大哭，抱怨你的叙事被撕碎，再把你自己的情绪不稳定投射到我身上。

>>1534238

I just mention a cannibal with multiple witnesses who succeeded! However he did say god made him do it so yeah.

我只是提了个有多名证人的食人者！不过他确实说“是上帝让我干的”，所以嘛。

We should really be running bets on this shit.

我们真该就这事开盘口。

>>1534239

Notice how he doesn’t deny being an SSRI addict and tries to deflect away from that by getting mad about being called a tranny in another post.

注意他如何不否认自己是 SSRI 成瘾者，而试图靠对另一帖里被叫变性人发怒来转移话题。

>>1534241

that's you making an accusation with 0 followup because you're a conspiracy brainrotted retard. Its like if she fed him Tuna you'd start up a a conspiracy theory about how she was secretly trying to kill him with mercury poisoning that's the only reason you'd feed someone so much tuna.

那是你在零后续地指控，因为你是个阴谋论脑残。就好比她给他做金枪鱼，你都能编出一套“她其实在偷偷用水银毒杀他，不然谁会给一个人吃那么多金枪鱼”的阴谋论。

>>1534233

>doctors gave me downers and that's what made me kill my kids

>医生给我开了镇静剂，就是它们让我杀了孩子

Please, since you're such an expert and watched everything about this case, explain to me which medication made her murder her children. Go ahead.

拜托，既然你是专家、看完了整个案子，那你给我解释一下是哪种药让她杀了孩子。请。

>>1534230

>You cannot hold someone who had untreated mental illness and had no idea what they were doing and someone who consciously and willingly harmed another human intentionally to the same standard.

>你不能用一个标准去衡量一个患未治疗精神疾病、根本不知道自己在干什么的人，和一个有意识、自愿、蓄意伤害他人的人。

I disagree with you on something huge here. I think mentally I'll people do know what they're doing in the moment. Drunk/high people black out and are less responsible for their actions by that logic.

这点上我跟你有很大分歧。我认为精神疾病患者在当下是知道自己在做什么的。照你那逻辑，喝醉/嗑嗨断片的人对自己行为的责任也更小。

>>1534240

You really are mad people don’t want to let women who kill their kids off because they pretend they’re mentally ill.

你是真的气人们不肯放过那些装精神病来给自己杀孩子开脱的女人。

>>1534243

ssri is a tranny drug dipshit

SSRI 是变性人的药，蠢货

>>1534245

Shit like benzos can help you get over the fear of killing your kids but they can't make you kill your kids. It's like how it helps stage fright or some people take them and it makes them kill themselves faster than if they weren't on any.

苯二氮卓这类药能帮你压过“杀孩子”的恐惧，但没法让你去杀孩子。就像它能缓解怯场，或者有些人吃了反而比不吃时更快自杀。

>>1534244

You’re the one claiming it’s wrong but have nothing to show save crying like a toddler. You’re the one trying to say it didn’t happen like that and push your narrative but all you can do is bitch and try to rely on plausible deniability.

声称它不对的是你，而你除了像幼儿一样哭喊什么也拿不出来。试图说事情不是那样的、推行你那叙事的也是你，可你只会撒泼，指望靠“说得过去”蒙混。

>>1534245

>murder her children

>谋杀她的孩子

Insane people don't murder, its manslaughter.

精神失常的人不算谋杀，那是过失杀人。

You're probably confused because you're been programmed by Israelis to defend murders like Chauvin and Rittenhouse

你多半是被以色列人编程过、要替肖万和里滕豪斯那类杀人犯辩护，所以晕了

>>1534245

i'm not a pharmacist but the fact you had 3 doctors who admitted to not cross-checking her file and each prescribing their own independent drug is pretty disturbing and you shouldn't be brushing it off.

我不是药剂师，但三个医生都承认没交叉核对她病历、还各开各的药，这事实相当吓人，你不该轻轻带过。

>>1534250

>no U

>>1534248

>ssri is a tranny drug

>SSRI 是变性人的药

This is how fucking stupid the faggots who defend this cunt are, holy shit. SSRIs are shit like anti-depressants like Zoloft and Prozac you dumb fucking faggot. Just because you trooned out while on them doesn’t mean they’re for trannies.

替这个贱人辩护的基佬就这么他妈的蠢，我的天。SSRI 是抗抑郁药，像左洛复(Zoloft)、百忧解(Prozac)这种，你这个该死的蠢基佬。就因为你自己吃着它们变性别了，不代表它们是变性人专用的。

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/ssris/art-20044825

>>1534252

BENZO ADDICT HERE:

>>1534249

also oh boy when you add alcohol lmao

另外，哦豁，再配上酒精就更好笑了

>>1534246

> I think mentally I'll people do know what they're doing in the moment.

>我认为精神疾病患者在当下是知道自己在做什么的。

They objectively don't. At the very least they aren't perceiving reality properly.

客观上他们不知道。至少他们无法正确感知现实。

>Drunk/high people black out and are less responsible for their actions by that logic.

>照你那逻辑，喝醉/嗑嗨断片的人对自己行为的责任也更小。

You have to make a conscious choice to become high/drunk. It's a reason why a major factor when it comes to determining if someone with a history of mental illness is criminally liable or not guilty by reason of insanity is if they were willingly off their meds that kept them stable.

变醉/变嗨是你有意识的选择。这就是为什么判定有精神病史的人负刑责还是因精神失常无罪时，一个重要因素是：他们是不是主动停掉了让自己保持稳定的药。

>>1534249

>>1534251

>>1534252

>the doctors poisoned her!

>是医生们毒了她！

>... no I can't tell you which medication they gave her poisoned her. That would require proof!

>……不，我说不出他们给的哪种药毒了她。那得要证据！

>>1534252

And like I said he has nothing and can only try to cry that I am saying that he is doing what he accused me of, even though I called him out for not being able to back any of the shit he’s said up in this post here >>1534223

正如我说的，他一无所有，只能哭喊“我在说他指控我干的事”，尽管我在这帖里正是拆穿他讲的一切都拿不出证据 >>1534223

>>1534255

the person you're replying to is literally too dumb to understand the nuance.

你回复的那位 literally 智到理解不了细微差别。

they're literally just looking to see what the rest of their flock is doing and just making the same noises. you'd get more coherent responses out of a chatbot

他们只是在看自己的羊群在干什么，然后发出同样的叫声。跟聊天机器人对话都比这连贯

>>1534256

>>1534250

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwbjaKgcHfU

also the burden of proof is on the procecution dipshit

另外举证责任在检方，蠢货

>>1534253

well excuse me for not knowing your fancy rich people drugs dipshit

好吧，原谅我不认识你那高档富人药，蠢货

Why are these polfags pretending to care about kids all of a sudden when they're fine with none of Epsteins rape buddies going to prison?

为什么这帮 pol 基佬突然装起关心孩子来了？爱泼斯坦那些强奸同伙一个没进监狱他们不是挺乐？

...oh right, they wanted to fuck the murdered kids.

……哦对，他们是想上那些被杀的孩子。

>>1534260

>let me tell you about this case that you are ignorant on and how she was poisoned with medication

>让我给你讲讲你不了解的这个案子，还有她怎么被药物毒害

>NO I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE MEDICATION THAT I CLAIM THEY GAVE HER

The absolute state.

没眼看。

>>1534260

>also the burden of proof is on the procecution dipshit

>另外举证责任在检方，蠢货

Not in all states, but you are correct about how it works in Massachusetts.

并非所有州都如此，但关于马萨诸塞州的说法你是对的。

https://www.mass.gov/doc/9200-lack-of-criminal-responsibility/download

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2026/09/eleven-jurors-no-verdict-what-the-lindsay-clancy-mistrial-decided/

Source in the Jurist.org article:

来自 Jurist.org 文章的信源：

https://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/1967/352-mass-544-2.html

https://www.bmswlaw.com/blog-1-1/how-massachusetts-handles-insanity-defenses-in-murder-trials

>Who Bears the Burden of Proof in an Insanity Defense?

>精神失常抗辩中举证责任由谁承担？

>Unlike most defenses, where the defendant must raise reasonable doubt, in Massachusetts, the Commonwealth has the burden of proving criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt once the defense is properly raised.

>与大多数抗辩（被告只需提出合理怀疑）不同，在马萨诸塞州，一旦辩方正式提出该抗辩，联邦州(Commonwealth)必须排除合理怀疑地证明被告的刑事责任能力。

>In practice, this means:

>实践中，这意味着：

> If the defense offers credible evidence of mental illness, such as expert psychiatric testimony, the prosecution must prove the defendant was not legally insane at the time of the crime.

>如果辩方提供了可信的精神疾病证据，例如专家精神病学证词，检方就必须证明被告在作案时并非法律意义上的精神失常。

> This burden applies even if the defendant admits committing the act—as long as the evidence raises a legitimate question about mental state.

>即使被告承认实施了该行为，这一举证责任依然适用——只要证据就精神状态提出了正当疑问。

>This is crucial. It means the prosecution has to go beyond proving what happened—they must also prove that the defendant understood it and had control at the time.

>这点至关重要。这意味着检方不仅要证明发生了什么——还必须证明被告当时理解自己的行为并有控制力。

>gets btfo and humiliated

>被 BTFO、被羞辱了

>y-you all like epstein ackshually

>其、其实你们都爱爱泼斯坦

Just keep digging that hole retard

继续挖你的坑吧，智障

>>1534256

She had taken 13 different medications (although not all at the same time):

她先后用过 13 种不同的药物（当然不是同时）：

>Timeline: Lindsay Clancy was prescribed 13 different medications for symptoms including depression and psychosis

>时间线：Lindsay Clancy 因抑郁和精神病性症状等被先后开出 13 种不同药物

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2026/07/27/metro/lindsay-clancy-timeline-medications-13/

>1534262

>arguments? no, I don't have them

>论点？没有，我没有论点

>...so when can I dig up and rape those kids?

>……那我什么时候可以去挖出那些孩子强奸？

>yeah she should go to jail for killing those kids

>对，她杀了那些孩子就该坐牢

>NOOO YOU ARE A PEDO FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Trannies really are just pathetic, which makes sense since epstein was pushing tranny shit.

变性人真是可悲，倒也合理，毕竟爱泼斯坦就是在推变性那一套。

>>1534262

>name the medications and pretend to be an expert so i can tell you why she should go to jail for being a babykiller anyways because i'm an uneducated 1 min tiktoker who just wants to fart out of my opinion

>报出药名、装成专家，好让我告诉你为什么她无论如何都该坐牢，因为我是个没文化的 1 分钟 TikTok 党，只想把观点当屁放

ahh yes amazing

哦对，太精彩了

>>1534268

You cry how people are uneducated after fucking up such a major aspect of what you were saying. You’re the retard who was blaming it all on the medication but when faced with what it was you showed you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about and were so confident you could bullshit you didn’t even bother to look it up to make sure you were wrong. You already fucked up, there is no coming back. You’re a retard trying to get some bitch who killed her kids off by crying about medication you don’t even know.

你把自己说的东西里最关键的一环搞砸了，还好意思哭别人没文化。那个把一切都赖给药的智障就是你，可一旦面对药物的真实情况，你就暴露出根本他妈不知道自己在说什么；你自信能胡编，连查证一下自己是不是在胡说都懒得做。你已经输了，没有回头的余地。你就是个想靠哭喊一种你根本不了解的药，来替一个杀了自己孩子的贱人脱罪的智障。

>this is a serious argument!

>这可是严肃论点！

nope

third world misogyny isn't an excuse to hurt a sick woman

第三世界的厌女症不是伤害一个生病女人的理由

>>1534260

Not giving you views for your dogshit youtube channel. You made the bullshit claim that the doctors poisoned her, now answer the fucking question I backed you into a corner with: which drug poisoned her?

别想给你的垃圾 YouTube 频道骗播放量。你放话说是医生毒了她，现在回答我逼进角落的这个问题：哪种药毒的她？

>>1534265

And they were mostly at or above prescription levels, none of which would have caused her psychosis and forced her to murder her children.

而且那些药大多处于或高于处方剂量水平，没有任何一种会引发她的精神病性发作、逼她杀孩子。

So can anyone explain how these drugs "poisoned" her and how these three doctors are responsible for her being a murderous psychopath? No? Okay.

那有没有谁能解释一下：这些药怎么就“毒”了她、这三个医生怎么就要为“她成了杀人狂 psychopath”负责？没有？行。

That one guy holding the Guilty was pretty based. Good to see he held his standards.

那个举着“有罪”牌子的大哥挺有骨气的。欣慰他还守得住标准。

>>1534271

He can’t, he didn’t even know about the kind of medication she was taking. All he’ll do is cry how everyone is uneducated and post bitchy passive aggressive replies crying how everyone is just a misogynist because they don’t want to let a woman get away with murdering her kids.

他做不到，他连她吃的是哪类药都不知道。他只会哭喊所有人没文化，发一堆阴阳怪气的怨妇回复，哭喊“就因为大家不想让一个杀孩子的女人逍遥法外，你们就都是厌女症”。

>>1534271

>>1534273

what the fuck is your obsession with the exact drug she was on?

你他妈为什么死盯着她吃的具体是哪种药？

are you ai chatbots?

你们是 AI 聊天机器人吗？

what the fuck does it matter

这他妈有什么要紧的

>>1534273

You think he's looking it up now?

你觉得他现在会去查吗？

>>1534274

>They poisoned her!

>是医生们毒了她！

>doesn't even know what medication she was on

>连她吃的是什么药都不知道

Anon, you lost. Game over. Take the L and leave the thread. Try again another day.

老哥，你输了。游戏结束。认了输、离开本帖吧。改天再试。

>>1534276

nta, thats a schizo chatbot argument

你不是混蛋(nta)，那是精神分裂聊天机器人式的争论

>>1534277

>nta

lol sure.

哈哈，是是是。

>>1534274

ESL shill is a lying brazilian pedophile who desperately wishes they were white.

ESL 狗托是个撒谎的巴西恋童癖，做梦都想自己是白人。

I can guarantee you they're dumb enough to believe the actual poison mattered.

我可以保证，他们蠢到真的相信具体是哪种毒很重要。

also 11 jurors, who were actual Americans, knew which drugs she was on and thought she was insane

另外，那 11 位陪审员可是货真价实的美国人，知道她吃的是什么药，也认为她精神失常

Wanna talk addiction? Joe Briben is addicted to gang fucking kids.

要聊聊成瘾吗？乔·拜登(Briben)的瘾是轮奸儿童。

>>1534280

A majority were women. Women love killing babies. Left to their own devices, without men to set the rules for them, they'd be aborting millions of babies a day

陪审员大多数是女性。女人就爱杀婴儿。放任不管、没有男人给她们立规矩的话，她们一天能堕掉几百万个婴儿

>>1534285

if only your mother was the way you flagrantly describe women

要是你妈也像你这样放肆地描述女人就好了

>>1534274

>NOOO DONT CALL MY COPE YOU ARE OBSESSED YOU ARE AI

You brought it up and now that you’ve shown you’re a retard who has no idea what he’s talking about trying to defend a baby killer.

是你先提的，现在你已展示了自己是个一无所知、还想替杀婴犯辩护的智障。

>>1534164

its obvious once you know that he is a gemini

知道他是 Gemini 之后一切都合理了

>>1534286

Luckily she had God and my father to light her path and show her the way

幸运的是，她有上帝和我父亲照亮她的道路、指引方向

sounds like esl shill's dad ran off on him

听起来 ESL 狗托的爹跑路了

>>1534271

ok retard not my youtube channel though

行吧智障，不过那真不是我的 YouTube 频道

>>1534273

ahh yes name the specific medications for me or else

哦对，给我报出具体药名，否则……

>>1534275

no i already answered that in >>1534268

不，我在 >>1534268 已经回答过了

The prosecution was very lazy with this case because they thought it was just going to be open and shut. From what I've seen leaked, everyone involved in this trial was retarded. The woman is very clearly deranged. The only question is why would you even risk rehabilitation for decades over life in prison or just the death penalty

检方办这个案子非常敷衍，因为他们以为会一锤定音。从泄露的信息看，这起审判里每个参与者都是智障。这个女人明显精神错乱。唯一的问题是：为什么要冒险搞几十年的“康复”，而不是终身监禁或直接死刑

>>1534297

>The woman is very clearly deranged.

>这个女人明显精神错乱。

so you made the case for her of not guilty by insanity, thank you defense shill

所以你替她论证了“因精神失常无罪”，谢谢你，辩方狗托

>>1534296

>ahh yes name the specific medications for me or else

>哦对，给我报出具体药名，否则……

I already did you fucking faggot and you went apeshit and started crying.

我早就报了，你这个该死的基佬，然后你就跟疯了一样开始哭。

whole lotta nancy graces in this thread

本楼好多南希·格蕾丝(Nancy Grace)啊

>>1534293

obviously esl dad was disappointed that esl mom sided with god instead of aborting esl shill like both their esl parents wanted

显然 ESL 他爹很失望：ESL 他妈听了双方 ESL 父母的意愿本该堕掉 ESL 狗托，却听上帝的把他生了下来

1 based "she was sane" chad vs 11 cowards

1 个有骨气的“她是清醒的”猛男 vs 11 个懦夫

>>1534297

>The woman is very clearly deranged.

>这个女人明显精神错乱。

So deranged that she was able to research, strategize and execute her plan that involved cunning deception?

这么精神错乱，还能研究、谋划并执行一个需要狡猾欺骗的计划？

Yeah, nah.

嗯，不太行。

>>1534302

1 unmarried jealous female karen vs 11 sane jurors who actually paid attention

1 个未婚嫉妒的 karen 女人 vs 11 个认真旁听、心智健全的陪审员

>>1534307

the amazing research that involved muscle memory of using a tourniquet and calling for pickup from a foodplace literally 10 mins away from their home

那“惊人研究”包括：使用止血带的肌肉记忆，以及打电话叫一家离家 literally 10 分钟的外卖

dipshit tourist

蠢货游客

>>1534302

>>1534300

the ignorance from the tourists on this case is on the level of the macdonald coffee burn case.

游客们对这个案子的无知程度，堪比麦当劳咖啡烫伤案。

>>1534311

>involved muscle memory of using a tourniquet

>使用止血带的肌肉记忆

Ah, yes. Her chasing her kids around the house, to strangle them, one by one, for extended periods of 3+ minutes was just "muscle memory"

对，没错。她在屋里追着孩子、一个接一个勒上好几分钟（每次 3 分钟以上），这只是“肌肉记忆”

> calling for pickup from a foodplace literally 10 mins

>打电话叫一家离家 literally 10 分钟的外卖

To get her husband out the house, so she could murder her three children, one by one, by strangulation.

为了把丈夫支出家门，好让她一个接一个地勒死自己的三个孩子。

Any other schizo arguments or are we fucking done here, faggot?

还有别的精神分裂论点吗？还是咱他妈能收工了，基佬？

>>1534312

>das ignant

>人家没文化

t. got oneshotted by a meh defense attorney and his shitty theory of the case.

t. 被一个平庸的辩方律师和他那套烂透的案子理论一击秒杀的人。

>>1534314

>Her chasing her kids around the house, to strangle them

>她在屋里追着孩子、勒他们

Anon her oldest kid was 5. She didn't "chase" anything.

老哥，她最大的孩子才 5 岁。她没有“追”任何东西。

>>1534320

>Anon her oldest kid was 5. She didn't "chase" anything.

>老哥，她最大的孩子才 5 岁。她没有“追”任何东西。

Dawson, the three year old, ran away and hid in his fathers office. She hunted him down, placed and elastic band around his neck, and strangled him for a period of not less than three minutes. In those three minutes he suffered petechial hemorrhaging, the veins in his eyes burst, he fought back and got defensive wounds on his left arm and both legs.

3 岁的道森(Dawson)跑开、躲进了父亲的办公室。她把他追到，把一根橡皮带套上他的脖子，勒了不少于三分钟。这三分钟里他出现点状出血，眼底血管爆裂，他反抗过，左臂和双腿上留下了防御伤。

Are there any other aspects of this heinous crime, committed with malice aforethought, that you would like to discuss, faggot?

这起蓄意预谋的滔天罪行还有哪个方面你想聊聊吗，基佬？

>>1534314

>one by one, for extended periods of 3+ minutes was just "muscle memory"

>一个接一个勒上好几分钟（每次 3 分钟以上），这只是“肌肉记忆”

see what i mean this retard thinks a knot can't hold because the procecution did it in the air without anything to wrap it around.

懂我意思了吧，这智障以为绳结撑不住，是因为检方在空气里演示、脖子上没东西可绕。

ahh yes every single 10mins alone was an oppertunity schizo

哦对，她独处的每一个 10 分钟都是机会，精神分裂

>>1534315

you got 1 shotted by reality dipshit watch the actual trial or kill yourself for being an ignorant retard

你被现实一击秒杀了，蠢货。要么去看真正的庭审，要么为你的无知智障自杀去

>>1534322

Your only argument is "you didn't watch the trial"? That's it?

你唯一的论点就是“你没看庭审”？就这？

>>1534323

ik you didn't because ur referenced the knot that was obvious to everyone with a brain the prosecution lied.

我知道你没看，因为你引用了那个结——任何长脑子的人都看得出检方在撒谎。

but thanks for showing you're fine with being actively a illinformed retard who loves spreading lies.

不过还是谢谢你展示出你乐于当个无知的智障、热衷传播谎言。

this trial made me forget about the files

这场审判让我把文件那事都忘了

>>1534329

>ik you didn't because ur referenced the knot that was obvious to everyone with a brain the prosecution lied.

>我知道你没看，因为你引用了那个结——任何长脑子的人都看得出检方在撒谎。

I didn't reference the knot. She wrapped the bands around the children's necks and applied pressure for not less than three minutes until they were dead. One by one. Including the one she had to hunt down.

我没引用那个结。她把带子缠上孩子们的脖子并施加压力不少于三分钟，直到他们死去。一个接一个。包括那个她必须追上的。

>>1534331

>I didn't reference the knot. She wrapped the bands around the children's necks and applied pressure for not less than three minutes until they were dead. One by one. Including the one she had to hunt down.

>我没引用那个结。她把带子缠上孩子们的脖子并施加压力不少于三分钟，直到他们死去。一个接一个。包括那个她必须追上的。

sigh i'm talking to a retard aren't I? she didn't the procecution is claiming she did BECAUSE THE KNOT WOULDN"T HOLD BY ITSELF they claim. therefore they claim that a double knot would've needed her to apply continuous pressure throughout the entire situation.

唉，我是在跟智障说话，对吧？她没有。是检方声称她那样做了，“因为”他们声称那个结自己撑不住。所以他们才声称她必须全程持续施压。

Hence why when you consider that the knot was bullshit so was their argument. Because if the knot held which it does if you actually test it then it means she didn't apply continuous pressure for 3mins she just tied them up on a knot they couldn't tie themselves out of.

这就是为什么一旦认定那个结是扯淡，他们的论点也就垮了。因为如果那个结撑得住——你真去测它就撑得住——那就意味着她没有持续施压 3 分钟，她只是打了个孩子们自己解不开的结。

>>1534333

>therefore they claim that a double knot would've needed her to apply continuous pressure throughout the entire situation.

>所以他们才声称她必须全程持续施压。

No, they did not. The prosecution argued she wrapped it around their necks and applied pressure by pulling on either end. The discussion about knots was related to Patrick Clancys testimony about how he had to untie them to get them off the kids necks.

不，他们没有。检方主张的是她把带子缠上他们的脖子、通过拉住两端施加压力。关于绳结的讨论，源于帕特里克·克兰西(Patrick Clancy)的证词——他说他不得不解开那些结，才能把它们从孩子脖子上取下来。

None of this matters, because there is clear and obvious evidence that she planned and executed these three murders. The specifics are largely irrelevant.

这些都不重要，因为有明确而明显的证据表明她策划并实施了这三起谋杀。细节基本无关紧要。

>>1534337

>The prosecution argued she wrapped it around their necks and applied pressure by pulling on either end.

>检方主张的是她把带子缠上他们的脖子、通过拉住两端施加压力。

the argument was that she applied CONTINUOUS pressure. you're a dipshit who doesn't know wtf he's even talking about.

论点是“持续”施压。你就是个连自己在说什么都不知道的蠢货。

the procecution argument falls apart when its obvious to anyone that the knot holds on by itself

检方的论点在“那个结自己就能撑住”这一显眼事实面前垮掉

sigh another retard

唉，又一个智障

>>1534340

>the argument was that she applied CONTINUOUS pressure. you're a dipshit who doesn't know wtf he's even talking about.

>论点是“持续”施压。你就是个连自己在说什么都不知道的蠢货。

Are you illiterate? Read again:

你识字吗？再读一遍：

>The prosecution argued she wrapped it around their necks and applied pressure by pulling on either end.

>检方主张的是她把带子缠上他们的脖子、通过拉住两端施加压力。

> argument falls apart when its obvious to anyone that the knot holds on by itself

>论点在“那个结自己就能撑住”这一显眼事实面前垮掉

Okay, she killed them by wrapping it around their throats and tying a knot. Wow, that changes absolutely fucking nothing.

行，她是把带子缠上他们的喉咙、打个结杀的他们。哇哦，这他妈什么都没改变。

>>1534342

>>The prosecution argued she wrapped it around their necks and applied pressure by pulling on either end.

>>检方主张的是她把带子缠上他们的脖子、通过拉住两端施加压力。

they said she applied continuous pressure retard the entire witness was for that

他们说她是持续施压，智障，全部证人证词都是围绕这一点

>>1534344

>they said she applied continuous pressure retard the entire witness was for that

>他们说她是持续施压，智障，全部证人证词都是围绕这一点

Yes. And?

>>1534345

sigh are you this stupid, there's a difference between a psychotic break where you tie a knot and stop, and one where she physically strangles them with her hands.

唉，你就这么蠢吗？打完结就停手的精神崩溃，和她徒手把他们勒死的精神崩溃，是两码事。

> she wrapped it around their necks and applied pressure by pulling on either end.

>她把带子缠上他们的脖子、通过拉住两端施加压力。

this is utterly pointless no one is disputing she tied a knot around them, they're disputing whether she did it and left them there to be strangled or if she had to physically hold it together. can you actually watch the goddamn trial ur talking about.

这讨论毫无意义，没人否认她打了结，争的是她是打完结就走让他们被勒死，还是必须亲手一直按住。你能不能去看一下你嘴里这场该死的庭审。

the expert is Dr. Elizabeth Laposata

那位专家是伊丽莎白·拉波萨塔博士(Dr. Elizabeth Laposata)

>>1534346

>there's a difference between a psychotic break where you tie a knot and stop, and one where she physically strangles them with her hands.

>打完结就停手的精神崩溃，和她徒手把他们勒死的精神崩溃，是两码事。

What kind of psychotic break is it when you tie a knot around one kid, phone your husband and have a normal conversation, chase down another kid and then tie another knot and then go down stairs again and tie a third knot around a third kid?

什么样的精神崩溃，是给一个孩子打好结、给她丈夫打个电话正常聊聊天、再追上另一个孩子打第二个结，然后下楼再给第三个孩子打第三个结？

>>1534260

>well excuse me for not knowing your fancy rich people drugs dipshit

>好吧，原谅我不认识你那高档富人药，蠢货

then shut the fuck up next time

那你下次就闭嘴

>>1534347

lets see one has you tying up a knot around them that strangles them, the other has you physically strangling each kid for 3-5minutes until they die, i guess they're both the same amirite.

你看：一个是打上会勒死他们的结；一个是亲手把每个孩子勒 3-5 分钟直到断气。我猜这两者一样，对吧。

one paints a much more disturbing and unlikely scenario.

其中一个描绘的是令人不安得多、也更不可能发生的情景。

>>1534348

go fuck off then you uneducated retard

那你他妈滚吧，你这个没文化的智障

>>1534349

>lets see one has you tying up a knot around them that strangles them, the other has you physically strangling each kid for 3-5minutes until they die

>你看：一个是打上会勒死他们的结；一个是亲手把每个孩子勒 3-5 分钟直到断气

Is this bait?

这是在钓鱼吗？

>>1534350

sigh le uneducated.

唉，“没文化”又来了。

if ur going to claim you have a psychotic break are you going to say ya i went crazy for a few minutes and tied a noose around them. or are you going to claim ya i strangled them for 20minutes then put the bodies into a soup pot boiled it and fed it to the neighbour's dogs.

如果你要声称自己精神崩溃，你是会说“是啊，我疯了几分钟，给他们套上了绳套”，还是会说“是啊，我勒了他们 20 分钟，然后把尸体放进汤锅煮了，喂给邻居的狗”？

what sounds more believable anon.

哪个听起来更可信，老哥。

>>1534351

Ah, I see. It was just a psychotic break where she concocted a plan to get her husband out the house, killed her kids over a period of 10 minutes, took call with her husband to delay him further, had to hunt down one kid who ran away, hid, and fought back. That's it.

哦，我懂了。那只是一场精神崩溃——期间她策划了把丈夫支出家的方案，用 10 分钟杀了她的孩子们，接丈夫的电话好再拖延一会儿，还得追上一个逃跑、躲藏并反抗的孩子。就这样。

You're a joke.

你就是个笑话。

>>1534069

What in the fuck is in the fucking gay water in Mass?

马萨诸塞那他妈的自来水里到底掺了什么 gay 水？

Shit's fucked.

完犊子了。

>>1534352

we've been over this already there was no plan concocted dipshit.

这事我们说过了：根本不存在什么精心策划，蠢货。

you're such an uneducated retard you can't argue so you lie

你这种没文化的智障辩不过就撒谎

>>1534354

>Be in court

>坐在法庭上

>You should make a guilty plea since you did it

>既然是你干的，你该认罪

>Don't admit guilt

>不许认罪

>Deny first degree murder

>否认一级谋杀

Of course you have insie knowledge on the issue that other's don't.

你当然拥有别人没有的“内部消息”。

if you kill your own 3 kids you deserve to die, simple as

亲手杀了自己 3 个孩子就该死，就这么简单

>but what about justice

>可是正义呢

that IS justice. there's no mitigating circumstances other than someone literally mind controlling you or some shit

这就是正义。除非有人 literally 意念控制了你之类，否则没有任何可减轻罪责的情形

I really think we should have a hybrid option with a set sentence mental asylum and prison. If you are in the mental asylum the whole time you either stay there because you still need it or are in outpatient now if you get declared sane during that period you finish your sentence in prison. This is just a base idea but I think it would work better with cases like this

我真觉得应该设一个混合选项：固定的刑期，精神病院加监狱。如果你全程待在精神病院，要么是因为你仍然需要治疗而继续待着，要么是你在此期间被判定痊愈、转为门诊，然后回监狱服完刑。这只是个初步想法，但我觉得用在这类案子上会更好

>>1534380

yeah that's how every case like this should work, honestly

对，老实说所有这类案子都该这么办

>you did something bad? okay you need to go away for a time

>你干了坏事？好，你得离开社会一段时间

>now let's decide which building you'll be living in from now on

>现在我们来决定你以后住哪栋楼

>>1534381

https://www.wbtv.com/2026/06/09/iryna-zarutskas-alleged-killer-found-incompetent-stand-trial-this-time/

Instead we have a system where the killer of Iryna Zarutska commits a dozen felonies to which he is sentenced, then he kills someone and suddenly the court realizes he's not fit to stand trial

而现实是我们的制度是：杀害 Iryna Zarutska 的凶手先犯下十几个重罪并被判刑，然后他又杀了个人，法院才突然发现他不适合受审

>>1534382

that's why i should have insane superpowers, so i canteleport around the world and kamehameha subhumans like these out of existence. just fucking blasting filth away.

这就是为什么我该拥有超能力，好让我瞬移到世界各地，用龟派气功把这些次人类从世上清除。就他妈的一路轰飞渣滓。

>but that's dictatorship!

>可那是独裁！

nah you all can govern however you want. i'll just obliterate the ones that deserve it

不不，你们爱怎么治理怎么治理。我只轰掉那些该轰的

>>1534382

Well yeah, you're a dumb esl shill who doesn't understand how things work.

是啊，你就是个不懂事情如何运作的蠢 ESL 狗托。

Of course you're going to be confused and angry

你当然会又困惑又愤怒

>>1534384

You are a fucking racist

你就是个该死的种族主义者

>>1534354

>there was no concocted plan

>根本不存在什么精心策划

I see, she just ordered food and got her husband out the house during her "psychotic break".

我懂了，她在“精神病性发作”期间点了外卖、把丈夫支出家门。

>>1534380

>>1534381

Or we could just hang 'em. I dont understand the fascination with the perpetrator of the crime. Like, who cares what their mental state was? The only thing that matters, and the only people we should consider are the victims.

或者我们直接吊死他们得了。我不理解为什么对犯罪者本人这么着迷。他们当时精神状态如何，谁在乎？唯一重要的是受害者，唯一该考虑的人是受害者。

>>1534389

>who cares what their mental state was?

>他们当时精神状态如何，谁在乎？

i'd say there's reasonable argument to be made when someone is pushed over the edge, has been drugged, etc

我觉得当一个人被逼到崩溃边缘、被下过药等等时，还是有正当辩论空间的

>>1534389

>children are only victims when an insane white lady strangles them, not when they're being raped and murdered by billionaires

>只有被疯癫白人女人勒死的孩子才算受害者，被亿万富翁强奸杀害的不算

yawn

>>1534392

Obviously there will be exceptions where some other party has done something to limit the perpetrators liability.

显然会存在例外：某些其他一方做了限制犯罪者责任的事。

But take the OP case for example. Why the fuck do we care? She obviously was mentally present - she wasn't hallucinating or schizo - and she planned it. Nothing else really matters. The idea that she could get off with, hypothetically, a couple months in a psych ward is obscene and undermines the purpose of the Justice system.

但拿楼主这个案子说。我们他妈的为什么要在乎？她显然心智在场——她没有幻觉、不是精神分裂——而且她预谋了。其他一切都无关紧要。“她可能只需在精神病房待几个月就脱身”这种想法是下流的，也动摇了司法制度存在的意义。

>>1534394

What children being raped and murdered by billionaires are you talking about?

你说的“被亿万富翁强奸杀害的孩子们”是指哪些？

>>1534396

>The idea that she could get off with, hypothetically, a couple months in a psych ward is obscene and undermines the purpose of the Justice system.

>“她可能只需在精神病房待几个月就脱身”这种想法是下流的，也动摇了司法制度存在的意义。

I still don't get how people are under the impression you just "walk out" of a psyche ward in this scenario. We literally have examples of mothers who murdered their children and were found not guilty by reason of insanity. They're still in mental hospitals to this day.

我还是不明白为什么会有人以为这种情形下你可以从精神病院“直接走出来”。我们字面意义上就有母亲杀孩子、因精神失常判无罪的先例，她们至今还在精神病院里。

>>1534396

>Why the fuck do we care?

>我们他妈的为什么要在乎？

no i agree anon. she needs to die. everyone supporting her publicly needs to be investigated.

不，我同意老哥。她该死。所有公开支持她的人都该被调查。

>>1534398

Its projection and cope

那是投射和自我安慰

MIGA doesn't actually care about protecting kids. They dropped wanting justice for Epsteins victims like they were ordered.

MIGA 根本不在乎保护孩子。他们像接到命令一样，放弃了对爱泼斯坦受害者讨公道。

>>1534398

>I still don't get how people are under the impression you just "walk out" of a psyche ward in this scenario.

>我还是不明白为什么会有人以为这种情形下你可以从精神病院“直接走出来”。

You're only being held there while you're ill. Post-partum depression is a temporary disorder. Furthermore, a huge part of the defences argument is that the various SSRI's she took caused the break. So, you have an underlying condition that goes away naturally after about a year amplified by drugs you can just stop taking. She committed the crime 3 years ago. There is no evidence that she is psychotic today. Technically, as soon as the verdict comes in, she could walk.

你被关在那里只是因为你在生病。产后抑郁是暂时性障碍。而且辩方论点的一大支柱就是：她服用的各种 SSRI 引发了发作。所以，这是一个大约一年后会自然消退的基础病症，加上随时可以停用的药物的放大。她作案是 3 年前。没有任何证据表明她现在仍处于精神病性状态。严格来说，判决一出她就能走。

>We literally have examples of mothers who murdered their children and were found not guilty by reason of insanity. They're still in mental hospitals to this day.

>我们字面意义上就有母亲杀孩子、因精神失常判无罪的先例，她们至今还在精神病院里。

The example your talking about, the woman in Texas, has chosen to waive her right to ask the Court to let her out.

你说的那个例子，德州那个女人，是自己选择放弃请求法院放她出来的权利。

>>1534403

>You're only being held there while you're ill. Post-partum depression is a temporary disorder. Furthermore, a huge part of the defences argument is that the various SSRI's she took caused the break. So, you have an underlying condition that goes away naturally after about a year amplified by drugs you can just stop taking. She committed the crime 3 years ago. There is no evidence that she is psychotic today. Technically, as soon as the verdict comes in, she could walk.

>你被关在那里只是因为你在生病。……严格来说，判决一出她就能走。

It's not that simple fuckwit.

没那么简单，蠢货。

>The example your talking about, the woman in Texas, has chosen to waive her right to ask the Court to let her out.

>你说的那个例子，德州那个女人，是自己选择放弃请求法院放她出来的权利。

Ok, then find me an example of someone who murdered their kids and was found not guilty by reason of insanity that walked out of a mental hospital within a year or two. Go ahead.

行，那你给我找一个杀了自己孩子、因精神失常被判无罪、一两年内就走出了精神病院的人来。请。

>>1534406

>It's not that simple fuckwit.

>没那么简单，蠢货。

It is actually that simple.

其实就是这么简单。

>Ok, then find me an example of someone who murdered their kids and was found not guilty by reason of insanity that walked out of a mental hospital within a year or two. Go ahead.

>行，那你给我找一个杀了自己孩子、因精神失常被判无罪、一两年内就走出了精神病院的人来。请。

I don't have to. I just told you exactly how it works. Dr. Avram Mack testified that she is no longer psychotic and that she has bipolar disorder. There is no reason for her to be sent to a mental institution. If she gets a not-guilty verdict, she could very well walk.

我不用找。我已经把规则原原本本告诉你了。阿夫拉姆·麦克博士(Dr. Avram Mack)作证说她已不再有精神病性症状、患有的是双相障碍。没有任何理由送她进精神病院。如果她拿到无罪判决，她完全可能走出来。

Post partum psychosis isn't exactly a rare or unheard of disorder. My grandmother tried to kill my dad when he was a baby and ended up institutionalized for a bit. I don't get why people are freaking out about this shit.

产后精神病并不是什么罕见或闻所未闻的障碍。我祖母曾在我父亲还是婴儿时试图杀他，后来被收容了一段时间。我不明白大家为什么为这事炸锅。

Lock her up til she's sane and move on. Shit happens. I swear to fuck right wingers will find any excuse to send a woman to prison. This isn't all that different from prosecuting women for having a miscarriage. I doubt she wanted to lose her kids when she got pregnant.

关到她清醒为止，然后翻篇。倒霉事总会发生。我发誓右翼总能找到把女人送进监狱的借口。这跟因流产起诉女人没多大区别。我怀疑她怀孕时根本不想失去孩子们。

>>1534411

>I swear to fuck right wingers will find any excuse to send a woman to prison.

>我发誓右翼总能找到把女人送进监狱的借口。

Yes, those damn right wingers wanting justice for the murder of two children and an infant.

对，就是那些该死的右翼，想为两个孩子和一个婴儿被谋杀讨个公道。

>>1534409

>I just told you exactly how it works. Dr. Avram Mack testified that she is no longer psychotic and that she has bipolar disorder. There is no reason for her to be sent to a mental institution.

>我已经把规则原原本本告诉你了。阿夫拉姆·麦克博士作证说她已不再有精神病性症状、患有的是双相障碍。没有任何理由送她进精神病院。

Anon this entire trial was to see if she was sent to a prison or mental institution. She's going into custody either way. Saying someone is not currently psychotic isn't a 'get out of asylum free card', it only means she still has to stay there until they can determine she definitely won't go psycho again in the future. You fundamentally do not understand how Insanity pleas work nor how mental institution custody is handled.

老哥，这场审判的全部目的就是看她进监狱还是进精神病院。无论哪种她都要被收押。说她“目前没有精神病性症状”不是“免进疯人院金牌”，只意味着她仍要待在那里，直到他们能确定她将来绝不会再次发疯。你从根上不理解精神失常抗辩怎么运作，也不理解精神病院收押怎么管理。

>>1534412

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the same argument is made with miscarriages. She killed her baby. Yadda yadda.

对对对，流产那事也是同一套说辞。她杀了自己的孩子。 bla bla。

Fucking God killed her kids. People don't control their physiology.

该死的是上帝杀死了她的孩子们。人控制不了自己的生理。

>>1534403

>she could walk.

>她能走。

Actually she can't just "walk" because her suicide attempt afterwards crippled her from the waist down. She's not escaping without consequence even if they declare her completely innocent and let her go tomorrow.

其实她没法“走”，因为她随后的自杀未遂让她腰部以下瘫痪了。就算明天判她完全无罪放她走，她也逃不脱后果。

>>1534412

>wanting justice

>想讨公道

doubt

Oy vey https://x.com/ShitpostGate/status/2096244948605587492?s=20

>>1534415

>Anon this entire trial was to see if she was sent to a prison or mental institution

>老哥，这场审判的全部目的就是看她进监狱还是进精神病院

No its not.

不是的。

The trial is over whether or not she is criminally responsible. If she is not criminally responsible, then the Court can order "up to" 40 days of hospitalization. During hospitalization she will be assessed, she can only be permanently committed if

审判的争点是 criminally responsibility。若不负刑责，法院可以下令“至多”40 天住院观察。住院期间会对她评估，只有满足以下条件才会被永久收容：

>she is presently mentally ill

>她目前患有精神疾病

and

>discharging her would create a likelihood of serious harm because of that mental illness

>出院会因该精神疾病造成严重伤害的可能性

Based on the testimony at trial, neither of these apply as the basis her her insanity at the time was post-partum depression + SSRI's. Her present mental diagnosis is bipolar disorder.

按庭上证词，这两条都不成立，因为她当时精神失常的基础是产后抑郁 + SSRI。她目前的精神诊断是双相障碍。

As I said, not guilty = she walks.

正如我说的：无罪 = 她走人。

>>1534429

So this is the misinformation chuds are chimping out over?

所以红脖子们就是在为这个错误信息炸毛？

MIGA retardation is ruining America, KYS shill

MIGA 的智障正在毁掉美国，去死吧狗托

>>1534429

>The trial is over whether or not she is criminally responsible. If she is not criminally responsible, then the Court can order "up to" 40 days of hospitalization.

>若不负刑责，法院可以下令“至多”40 天住院观察。

Yeah that's not how it works. Even if she was found not criminally responsible, the fact she killed someone means her actual "minimum" stay would be 6 months. They'd then need to convince a judge she was safe enough to be released. By no means is it "walking" and that's leaving aside how she's crippled from the waist down and will require medical assistance for the rest of her life even with a completely innocent verdict.

对，规则不是这么玩的。就算她被判不负刑责，杀过人这一事实意味着她的实际“最短”羁押期是 6 个月。之后他们还得说服法官她已安全到可以释放。这绝不是“走人”，还没算她腰部以下瘫痪、就算判完全无罪余生也需要医疗照护。

>>1534429

Do you support other serial killers being released on these grounds? A lot of school shooters are on a heavy mix of SSRIs, and go through a traumatic event that pushes them past their breaking point.

你支持基于这些理由释放其他连环杀手吗？很多校园枪手都大量混用 SSRI，且经历过把他们推向崩溃点的创伤事件。

>>1534358

you're a retard that doesn't even understand the plea dipshit

你就是个连这个抗辩都理解不了的智障，蠢货

>>1534389

ya every single time you ask someone to order takeout you've just concocted a murder plan you were going to kill your family members in that 10mins

对，每次你让人点外卖，你就是在策划一场要在那 10 分钟里杀死全家人的谋杀

>>1534429

wrong she isn't going free even if she was found not guilty. she'll just be getting the mental help she should've gotten when she went to those facilities countless times and got turned away.

错，就算她被判无罪她也不会自由。她只会得到她本该得到的心理帮助——她无数次去那些机构求助、都被拒之门外。

No one fucking walks on a not guilty by insanity.

因精神失常判无罪的人根本没人能直接走出来。

>>1534446

Her post-partum depression has passed. There is no "mental help" to give her.

她的产后抑郁已经过去了。没有什么“心理帮助”可以给她。

>>1534434

The entire medical and psychiatric industry is full of women who will sympathize with her and rubber stamp her approval for release. The entire system is compromised and can't be trusted

整个医疗和精神病行业里满是会同情她、为她的释放一路盖章放行的女人。整个系统已被渗透，不可信任

>>1534458

Alright than find me an example of a post-partum psycho who got released within a year or two of a mental hospital stay. It's not like this is the first case of this kind of thing happening.

行，那你给我找一个产后精神病、住院一两年内就被放出来的人。这类事情又不是第一次发生。

I work with retarded women who legit think she didn’t do it. How do I hide my power level?

我跟一些智障女人共事，她们真心觉得不是她干的。我该怎么隐藏我的 Power Level？

>>1534446

>wrong she isn't going free even if she was found not guilty.

>错，就算她被判无罪她也不会自由。

>she'll just be getting the mental help she should've gotten

>她只会得到她本该得到的心理帮助

Per the testimony at the trial, (1) she no long has postpartum depression, (2) she is no longer psychotic and (3) she only has bipolar disorder.

按庭上证词：(1) 她不再有产后抑郁，(2) 她不再有精神病性症状，(3) 她只剩双相障碍。

Based on mass law, which I posted here >>1534429 there is no lawful reason to detain her further.

按我贴在 >>1534429 的马萨诸塞州法律，没有任何合法理由继续羁押她。

>>1534434

No, its "up to" 40 days.

不，是“至多”40 天。

>>1534436

My whole argument is that the "sanity" thing has gone out of whack with reality. This case is great example of the ridiculous outcomes that result from our current approach to liability. IMO this woman, and 99% of school shooters, should be promptly hung.

我的全部论点是：“精神状态”这套东西已经和现实脱节。这个案子就是现行责任判定方式产生荒谬后果的绝佳例证。在我看来，这个女人、还有 99% 的校园枪手，都该被立即绞死。

>>1534462

>Per the testimony at the trial, (1) she no long has postpartum depression, (2) she is no longer psychotic and (3) she only has bipolar disorder.

>按庭上证词：(1) 她不再有产后抑郁，(2) 她不再有精神病性症状，(3) 她只剩双相障碍。

Not being psychotic now is not the same as being cleared for release retard.

现在没有精神病性症状，不等于获准释放，智障。

>>1534464

>Not being psychotic now is not the same as being cleared for release retard

>现在没有精神病性症状，不等于获准释放，智障

Are you not reading my posts before responding? Do you have some sort of brain injury that prevents you from thinking logically?

你回复前不看我的帖子吗？你脑子是不是受过什么伤、没法逻辑思考？

If she is declared not guilty by reason of insanity, and she is no longer insane, there is no basis under Massachusetts law to detain her further.

如果她被判因精神失常无罪，而她已不再精神失常，那么根据马萨诸塞州法律，没有任何继续羁押她的依据。

If she gets cleared, and if she clears the observation period, she walks.

如果她被判定无罪、又通过观察期，她就走人。

>>1534462

>>1534465

>if i repeat unsourced tiktok ragebait enough it becomes true

>只要我把没信源的 TikTok 气人复读得够多，它就会成真

nope, you're just a retarded esl shill

不，你就是个智障 ESL 狗托

>>1534460

>Find me a source proving that this once in a lifetime high profile case has already happened before

>给我找个信源，证明这起千载难逢的焦点案子以前发生过

Dumbass redditor

Reddit 傻子

>>1534474

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dena_Schlosser

>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wvk3ndep1o

Dumbass.

>>1534472

>the law

>法律

>unsourced tiktok ragebait

>没信源的 TikTok 气人帖

>>1534478

Your entire assumption basically completely disregards how mental health facilities check if people can leave or not. It's not just "welp, no psychosis today! goodbye forever!" like fucking Arkham Asylum anon. People have tried checking in intentionally faking symptoms and then dropping it after admittance and had a hard time getting out.

你这整套假设基本完全无视精神卫生机构如何评估一个人能否离开。可不像他妈的阿卡姆疯人院那样“哟，今天没精神病！拜拜永远！”老哥。真有人故意装症状入院、然后收手不装了，结果花了老劲才出去。

>>1534481

>no but the law doesnt say what the law says

>不，法律说的不是法律说的那个

Alas, the law says what it does.

可惜，法律说的就是它说的。

>>1534485

>Alas, the law says what it does.

>可惜，法律说的就是它说的。

So why are you lying about what it says?

那你在法律条文上撒的什么谎？

>>1534486

>So why are you lying about what it says?

>那你在法律条文上撒的什么谎？

You're free to cite the law and show where and how I lied. But we both know you wont.

你尽管引用法律，指出来我在哪里、如何撒谎。但我们都知道你不会。

>>1534488

>do the thing you've already done to prove the thing I did

>去做你早就做过的事，来证明我做过的那件事

k

>>1534492

>>do the thing you've already done

>>去做你早就做过的事

Where? Link the post.

在哪？贴帖子的链接。

>still playing dumb

>还在装傻

k

>>1534462

lindsay is innocent and the people mad are just far-left retarded jealous karens who want to murder their own kids and right wing nitwits who get their views off uneducated streamer types and got ragebaited by their simplified illinformed views.

Lindsay 是无辜的。愤怒的人只是极左智障嫉妒 karen——她们自己就想杀孩子；还有右翼蠢货，他们从没文化的主播那里获取观点，被人家简化又无知的暴论钓了鱼。

>>1534629

Trash bait. Cast a smaller net next time, Faggot

垃圾鱼饵。下次把网撒小点，基佬

>>1534495

>It just works the way I say it does.

>规则就是我说了算。

k

>>1534069

As a Democrat, I want to remind everyone that the only value children's lives have is to sexually pleasure the LGBTQ. This is true until they become humans at the age of 15 (grannies and grandpas).

作为民主党人，我要提醒各位：儿童生命唯一的价值，就是给 LGBTQ 性行愉悦。在他们 15 岁变成人类（爷爷奶奶辈）之前，一直如此。

Until then I'll remind everyone today:

在那之前，我今日重申：

Kill children. Behead children. Roundhouse kick a child into the concrete. Slam dunk a helpless child into the trashcan. Crucify filthy children. Defecate in a child's food. Launch children into the sun. Toss children into active volcanoes. Pee in a child's gas tank.

杀孩子。斩首孩子。回旋踢把孩子踢进水泥地。把无助的孩子扣进垃圾桶。把肮脏的孩子钉上十字架。在孩子食物里拉屎。把孩子发射进太阳。把孩子扔进活火山。往孩子油箱里撒尿。

This is the only rational solution to the problem.

这是该问题唯一理性的解决方案。

>>1534653

you still haven't killed yourself?

你还没自杀？

>>1534653

Makes sense to me. Since abortion is healthcare and medical malpractice is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US she was simply providing healthcare to her children.

我觉得挺合理。既然堕胎是医疗保健、而医疗事故是美国第三大死因，那她只是在给她的孩子提供医疗保健。

Thus this situation should be resolved via a civil suit.

所以这事应该通过民事诉讼解决。

>>1534654

ESL shill is too dumb to kill themselves.

ESL 狗托蠢到连自杀都不会。

Our lolcow is eternal

我们的乐子人是永恒的

>>1534654

>>1534656

Oh here come the immoral conservates with their anti-science bullshit.

哦，反科学的保守混蛋们带着他们的狗屁来了。

Fuck off Cletus!

滚开，克莱塔斯(Cletus)！

Your ancient book of hate doesn't allow healthcare and prevents the LGBTQ community from functioning.

你那本古老的仇恨之书不允许医疗保健，还妨碍 LGBTQ 群体的正常生活。

Have you no shame?

你没有羞耻心吗？

well, i'm going outside. hopefully someone can accomodate esl shill's desperate yearning for humiliation while i'm gone

好了，我出门了。希望我不在的时候有人能满足 ESL 狗托对受辱的深切渴望

>>1534658

>outside

lol sure, cripple.

哈哈，是是是，瘸子。

I hope you get hit by a truck.

我希望你被卡车撞。

>>1534658

watching people get hit by a truck is the greatest form of entertainment in ESL shills village, its a massive compliment.

看人被卡车撞是 ESL 狗托村里最高级的娱乐，这算大大的恭维。

>>1534665

Dis mofo got wi-fi on he wheelchair.

这位老兄轮椅上还有 Wi-Fi 呢。

>>1534136

>>1534096

>>1534169

There are plenty of examples of people who would have spent life in prison instead getting off with a few years in a mental institution before going free. The worst is this:

有的是例子：本该终身监禁的人，先在精神病院待几年，然后就自由了。最极端的是这个：

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Fisher

Killed her 3 children, got released after only 4 years, had 3 more children and then kill them too.

杀了她的 3 个孩子，仅 4 年后就被释放，又生了 3 个孩子，然后又杀了他们。

>>1534170

>>1534198

>>1534301

>>1534472

>POV: You're a US-born native English speaker and somebody just posted objective indisputable facts in a /news/ thread

>视角：你是美国本土英语母语者，然后有人在 /news/ 帖子里发了客观无可争辩的事实

thanks for conceding again. Any time I enter a thread and want to know how it's going I just ctrl+F "esl"

感谢再次认输。任何时候我进一个帖子想看看战况，只需 Ctrl+F 搜“esl”

13 results lets me know that the left got BTFO pretty hard in this thread and obviously has not arguments to defend themselves with.

13 个结果告诉我：左派在这帖里被 BTFO 得很惨，显然已经没有任何论点可以自辩了。

>>1534674

>has not arguments

>已经没有任何论点

lol. are you going to make me say it

哈哈。要逼我说出来吗

It's time to reexamine the 19th amendment. Clearly women aren't equal to men.

是时候重新审视第 19 修正案了。显然女人不平等于男人。

>>1534676

>did you just post from a phone and get autocorrected? You must be an ESL!

>你刚才是用手机发的帖然后被自动更正了？你一定是 ESL！

meanwhile the "esl shill" shill is constantly making errors and using awkward grammar.

与此同时，那位“ESL 狗托”猎手自己一直在犯错、语法别扭。

Even here ITT: >>1534170

就在本楼：>>1534170

>esl shills

>ESL 狗托们

*ESL shill's

*ESL 狗托的

>>1534684

stop crying, you have objectively wrong opinions to spam

别哭了，你还有客观错误的观点要刷屏呢

>>1534677

I never see a church guy killed his wife because she raped him too much. I guess I do see a gay guy said a girl harassed him sexually sometimes.

我从没见过教会佬因为妻子“强奸”他太多而杀了她。倒真见过一个 gay 说有个女孩有时性骚扰他。

>>1534677

Based jury totally destroying the feminist movement.

有骨气的陪审团，把女权运动砸了个稀碎。

>>1534634

I'm serious, you fucking stupid femcel

我是认真的，你这个该死的蠢女cel

>>1534799

>>1534677

This used to be a joke but the feminist reaction to this case is making a lot of men re-think women's rights.

这本来是个玩笑，但女权主义者对这个案子的反应，让很多男人重新思考女权这件事。

>>1534689

I don't get it, if you wanted to keep arguing then why did you concede the argument? That's not how this works. You already admitted we were right and you already conceded.

我不懂了，你要是想继续辩，那你为什么认输？这游戏不是这么玩的。你已经承认我们是对的、你已经认输了。

>>1534690

>a few guys doing a bad thing is the same as millions of women supporting a child murderer

>几个男人干了坏事 = 几百万女人支持一个杀童犯

So much leftist discourse is them just pretending not to understand things

左翼的很多讨论就是装作看不懂事情

>>1535037

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

>>1535063

>I concede again

>我再次认输

You don't have to keep doing that

你不用一直这样

>>1534098

She should be put down like a fucking dog.

她该像一条该死的狗一样被处决。

>>1535093

i concede that you're mad

我认输：你急了