Trump's two week war drives diesel prices to all time high

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/03/diesel-prices-hit-all-time-high-as-trump-administration-brandishes-energy-policies-01063862

U.S. diesel fuel prices hit a record high Thursday afternoon, according to a fuel price monitoring service, surpassing the previous peak set in 2022 as surging crude oil and refining bottlenecks sent the cost of the fuel that underpins a wide swathe of the U.S. economy soaring.

据一家燃油价格监测服务，美国柴油价格周四下午创下历史新高，超过2022年的前峰值——原油飙升和炼油瓶颈，让这个支撑美国经济大片江山的燃料成本一飞冲天。

Diesel prices have risen nearly 60 percent in the past 12 months as the U.S. war against Iran has scrambled oil shipments from the Middle East and Russia’s output of the fuel has dwindled because of its war against Ukraine. The new record is likely to spread through the economy and feed inflation that could damage Republican prospects of keeping control of Congress in November’s midterm elections.

过去12个月柴油价格涨了近60%。美国对伊朗开战打乱了中东石油运输，俄罗斯又因为打乌克兰导致柴油产量萎缩。新纪录大概率会传导到整个经济，推高通胀，可能损害共和党在11月中期选举保住国会的选情。

Diesel now costs an average of $5.82 a gallon, according to the pricing service GasBuddy, breaking the previous record high of $5.81 set under former President Joe Biden in June 2022 when fuel costs skyrocketed amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the post-Covid global economy.

据油价服务商GasBuddy的数据，柴油目前均价每加仑5.82美元，打破了2022年6月乔·拜登前总统任内创下的5.81美元纪录——当时俄乌开打加上疫情后的全球经济，燃料成本飞涨。

Vice President JD Vance told reporters at the White House on Thursday that gas prices are high because the Iranian regime is targeting oil tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz. He also claimed that gas prices “could have been much much higher were it not for our efforts” and downplayed the notion that the world is currently experiencing an energy crisis.

副总统JD·万斯周四在白宫对记者说，油价高是因为伊朗政权在袭击霍尔木兹海峡(Strait of Hormuz)上的油轮。他还声称油价“要不是我们的努力，本来会高得多得多”，并淡化“世界正陷入能源危机”的说法。

“I can’t repeat this enough, but for the leadership of President Trump and the hard work of our troops, we would have had an energy crisis because the Iranians refused to stop acting like terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz,” Vance said.

>“我怎么重复都不嫌多：要不是特朗普总统的领导和我们部队的辛勤工作，我们早就陷入能源危机了，因为伊朗人拒绝停止在霍尔木兹海峡当恐怖分子，”万斯说。

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The White House said that Trump, who promised to cut energy prices in half, is taking steps that will soon bring prices down.

白宫表示，曾承诺把能源价格砍半的特朗普正在采取行动，很快就会把价格打下来。

“This week the President met with nearly a dozen refiners to discuss ways to expand our refining capacity, which will lower prices at the pump,” White House spokesperson Taylor Rogers said. “As the U.S. military fully degrades the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to attack shipping vessels, oil and gas prices will fall back to pre-conflict levels.”

“本周总统与近十几家炼油商座谈，商讨扩大炼油产能的办法，这将降低加油站的油价，”白宫发言人泰勒·罗杰斯(Taylor Rogers)说。“随着美军持续瘫痪恐怖主义伊朗政权袭击航运船只的能力，油气价格将回落到冲突前水平。”

For now, there’s no sign that diesel prices will fall anytime soon, experts said.

专家表示，至少目前看不到柴油价格短期内回落的迹象。

The effects of the price at the pump with the green handle go far further than the filling station. Freight and farms run on diesel, so high diesel prices seep into the price of food and anything else delivered by a big rig.

绿油枪那点价格的影响，远不止加油站。货运和农场都烧柴油，柴油一贵，食品和一切靠大卡车送的东西都会跟着涨。

“Diesel sort of runs the U.S. economy,” said Dean Croke, principal analyst at DAT Freight & Analytics, “and I think that’s the bigger problem.”

“柴油某种意义上驱动着美国经济，”DAT Freight & Analytics首席分析师迪恩·克罗克(Dean Croke)说，“我觉得这才是更大的问题。”

Cost of living concerns are expected to decide which party controls the Senate and House. And diesel is considering the backbone of the economy, driving up the cost of groceries, manufactured goods, inflation and more.

生活成本预计将决定参众两院由哪个党执掌。柴油算是经济的脊柱，推高的是食品杂货、制成品、通胀等等的成本。

That’s where voters are “feeling a crunch” right now, said Doug Heye, former spokesperson for the Republican National Committee and a longtime GOP strategist.

这就是选民现在“感到手头紧”的地方，共和党全国委员会前发言人、资深GOP策略师道格·海伊(Doug Heye)说。

“Any time they have to spend on anything, they’re upset with what it costs,” he said. “A threshold like this is just another sign of how expensive it’s become just to get by.”

“不管干什么都要花钱，他们对价钱就有火，”他说。“这种关口只是又一个信号：如今光是过日子就贵成什么样了。”

The spike in diesel prices also comes as drivers face record-setting gasoline prices heading into Labor Day weekend, which are some of the country’s biggest travel days of the year.

柴油价格飙升之际，劳工节周末前司机们还面临着创纪录的汽油价格——那是美国一年中最大的出行高峰之一。

The cost of a regular gallon of gasoline is at a record high $4.14 for this time of year, according to AAA. That’s well above the previous Labor Day record of $3.82, set on Sept. 3, 2012.

据AAA，这个时节普通汽油每加仑均价达到创纪录的4.14美元，远超2012年9月3日创下的前一个劳工节纪录3.82美元。

And the national average price in August was above $4 per gallon every day of the month, making it the most expensive August ever for gasoline.

而且8月全国均价整个月每天都高于每加仑4美元，成为有史以来最贵的8月汽油。

A POLITICO Poll conducted in August found that 61 percent of individuals surveyed believe the Iran war has made things more expensive for their families, up 4 percent from a month earlier.

POLITICO 8月的一项民调发现，61%的受访者认为伊朗战争让家庭开销更贵了，比一个月前上升4个百分点。

But oil and the Strait of Hormuz are not the only problem. Persian Gulf refineries have been hit in the exchanges of missile fire. And Ukrainian drone attacks have taken refineries offline in Russia.

但石油和霍尔木兹海峡不是唯一的问题。波斯湾的炼油厂在导弹互射中被击中。乌克兰的无人机袭击也让俄罗斯的炼油厂停产。

Russia, which last year accounted for more than 10 percent of the world’s diesel exports, is now importing diesel and gasoline, and has largely banned exports.

俄罗斯去年占全球柴油出口的10%以上，如今在进口柴油和汽油，并基本禁止了出口。

In the United States, refineries are setting records for output. U.S. refineries operated at 98 percent of their operable capacity last week. Some have delayed maintenance, increasing the chances of outages that could drive up prices further.

在美国，炼油厂产量正在创纪录。上周美国炼油厂的开动产能达到98%。一些厂推迟了检修，这加大了停摆、进一步推高价格的概率。

A bigger disruption, with a bigger effect on price, could occur if a large hurricane threatens the U.S. Gulf Coast, where the bulk of U.S. refining capacity is located.

如果一场大飓风威胁美国墨西哥湾沿岸——美国大部分炼油产能所在——那将造成更大规模的扰动，对价格的影响也更大。

>>1533807

>Vice President JD Vance told reporters at the White House on Thursday that gas prices are high because the Iranian regime is targeting oil tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz. He also claimed that gas prices “could have been much much higher were it not for our efforts” and downplayed the notion that the world is currently experiencing an energy crisis.

>副总统JD·万斯周四在白宫对记者说，油价高是因为伊朗政权在袭击霍尔木兹海峡上的油轮。他还声称油价“要不是我们的努力，本来会高得多得多”，并淡化“世界正陷入能源危机”的说法。

>

>“I can’t repeat this enough, but for the leadership of President Trump and the hard work of our troops, we would have had an energy crisis because the Iranians refused to stop acting like terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz,” Vance said.

>“我怎么重复都不嫌多：要不是特朗普总统的领导和我们部队的辛勤工作，我们早就陷入能源危机了，因为伊朗人拒绝停止在霍尔木兹海峡当恐怖分子，”万斯说。

In non-shill talk, the price increases are 100% the fault of the Trump administration and could have been effortlessly avoided by not ripping up Obama's perfect peace accords and starting a war because Israel has proof Donald Trump fucked children.

说人话（不带狗托滤镜）就是：涨价100%是特朗普政府的锅，而且本来可以轻松避免——别撕毁奥巴马那份完美和平协议、别因为以色列手里有特朗普嫖儿童的证据就开战就行。

Diesel prices at all time high

柴油价格历史最高

Strategic petroleum reserve at all time low

战略石油储备历史最低

Truly, the Golden Age of America has begun

美利坚黄金时代，确实已经开始了呢

Fake news, fuel prices are down. President Trump himself mentions seeing fuel going for less than 2 bucks in Ohio. Those are 90s era prices and only President Trump could have done that. We also already beat Iran thoroughly and undisputedly. It's not in dispute by any serious observer. We destroyed their navy, air force, bridges, factories, stockpiles and leadership. We won.

假新闻，油价在跌。特朗普总统亲口说他亲眼看到俄亥俄的油便宜到不到2块钱。那可是90年代的价，也只有特朗普总统做得到。而且我们已经把伊朗彻底干服、毫无争议。任何严肃的观察者都不存疑。我们摧毁了他们的海军、空军、桥梁、工厂、军火库和领导层。我们赢了。

>>1533815

>we would have had an energy crisis because the Iranians refused to stop acting like terrorists in the Strait of Hormuz

>要不是特朗普总统的领导和我们部队的辛勤工作，我们早就陷入能源危机了，因为伊朗人拒绝停止在霍尔木兹海峡当恐怖分子

Hey Vance, buddy, when did they start bombing everyone coming through the Strait again? Because it's weird they haven't really done that until very recently, for some strange reason...

哎万斯，哥们儿，他们又是从什么时候开始轰炸每个过海峡的人的来着？因为很怪啊，直到最近他们才真这么干，出于某种神奇的原因……

>>1533818

>we

LOL

>>1533818

The price of diesel has been elevated since at least 2022 with no breaks in between.

柴油价格至少从2022年起就一直高位运行，中间没歇过。

>>1533807

At this point we're past the point of propaganda and into outright denial. These kind of statements from him and Chris Wright just aren't gonna cut it; this isn't a propaganda thing you can flout, this is a physical resource you're lying about having. You can claim we've restored normal flow of oil all you want but people are gonna notice the price is still up, and his only response isn't even some kind of explanation and instead just denying the price is up at all. Trump is living in a different fucking reality and he's forcing everyone in his admin to report news from there instead of our own. This isn't sustainable because I'm starting to fear that in his old age he genuinely believes this shit.

到这份上，这已经不是宣传了，是彻头彻尾的抵赖。他跟克里斯·赖特(Chris Wright)这类表态根本糊弄不过去；这不是嘴上硬撑就行的宣传问题，这是你谎称自己拥有的实体资源。你尽管说我们恢复了石油的正常流量，但人们会发现价格还是没下来，而他唯一的回应连个解释都算不上，干脆直接否认价格涨过。特朗普活在一个完全不同的现实里，还逼着他政府里所有人从那边、而不是从我们这边发新闻。这么搞撑不久，因为我开始担心，老糊涂的他真的信了自己这套屁话。

And before anyone brings it up; no, the Venezuela oil deal isn't going to help with this. We need literally years of infrastructure and processing to turn that crude oil into what we actually use and oil companies just plain aren't interested in Venezuela due to both poor quality and the fact last time they tried all their shit got nationalized and left to rot.

趁还没人提，先说一句：不，委内瑞拉石油协议救不了场。把那些原油炼成我们实际用的东西，需要实打实好几年的基础设施和加工投入，而石油公司对委内瑞拉压根没兴趣——油品差是一方面，另一方面上次他们下场，所有资产全被国有化然后烂在那里。

>>1533818

Oh and I forgot to mention that owning the libs like (You) is good policy because they're usually happy when things go wrong.

哦对了，忘了说：气到你(You)这种自由派也算好政策，因为事情一搞砸他们通常还挺高兴。

Stay classy turbo faggot.

继续优雅啊，超级基佬。

>>1533829

are you implying trump is the libs? he seems pretty happy about fucking everything up and losing a war

你的意思是特朗普算自由派？他好像对把一切搞砸、输掉一场战争还挺乐呵的

>>1533830

Libs are excited Iran didnt immeditely surrender

自由派可兴奋了，因为伊朗没有立刻投降

>>1533831

you really are retarded huh

你是真智障啊

>>1533833

That's your job.

那是你的工作。

esl shill unironically thinks being retarded is an occupation

ESL狗托居然一本正经地认为当智障是份职业

>>1533831

>If you don't blindly support this retarded sandbox war you're ROOTING FOR THE TERRORISTS

>如果你不盲目支持这场智障沙坑战争，你就是“支持恐怖分子”

I'm old enough to remember the right using this line back in 2003

我年纪够大，还记得右翼2003年就用过这套说辞

Then spending a decade pretending they didn't want to be the party of retarded sandbox wars anymore

然后花了十年装作不想再当“智障沙坑战争党”了

Only to turn right back around and end up back here again

结果一转身，又原地回到这条老路上

>>1533841

But anon how are we supposed to stop the nuclear weapons program we supposedly set back decades last year yet somehow recovered so fast they were two weeks away from a nuke (again) when this war started?

可是老哥，那个核武器计划——去年不是号称被我们推迟了几十年吗，怎么恢复得这么快，这场战争开打时他们又离造出核弹只差两周了（又来）——我们到底要怎么阻止啊？

Not that we failed in that bombing last year. No that totally went super well and was a massive success. They just were still able to do the thing we bombed them to stop them from being able to do, but that doesn't mean we... man I can't even keep this up, that entire press conference from Hegseth was that fucking retarded.

不是说我们去年那次轰炸搞砸了哦。那次彻底大获全胜。他们只是还能干我们炸他们就是为了阻止他们干的那个事，但这不代表我们……妈的我实在装不下去了，黑格塞斯(Hegseth)那整场发布会就那么他妈智障。

>>1533818

Exactly and even if fuel prices are high this is good for stock prices and therefore the American people

没错，而且就算油价高，这对股价是好事，所以对美国人民也是好事

1533818

>We destroyed their navy, air force, bridges, factories, stockpiles and leadership

>我们摧毁了他们的海军、空军、桥梁、工厂、军火库和领导层

>We

Let everyone else know when you've joined the US armed forces and are actually out there doing something.

等你加入美军、真到前线干了点什么，再通知大家。

Oh yes, that's right: you're the esl shill that's nothing more than an internet keyboard warrior, so you've actually done less than nothing.

哦对，想起来了：你就是那个ESL狗托，充其量是个网络键盘侠，所以你实际干的事比零还少。

>We

You're not even an American, so your opinions are worth less than nothing.

你连美国人都不是，所以你的意见比一文不值还低。

>Fake news

>假新闻

Projection by a fake American.

假美国人的投射罢了。

>>1533845

it's quite cringy when you respond to your own posts like this

像这样自己回自己的帖，属实尬得脚趾抠地

>Iran having nukes isn't okay

>伊朗有核武器不行

But apparently it's okay when Trump gives nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, the country responsible for what happened 25 years ago.

但显然特朗普把核技术送给沙特就没事，那可是25年前那件事的元凶国。

>inb4 the fake news that is 'Israel did 9/11''

>先堵一句“是以色列干的9·11”这种假新闻

Not seeing any Israeli terrorists on those planes, therefore your opinions are wrong. And Trump is still giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia.

那几架飞机上没看见以色列恐怖分子，所以你的观点是错的。而且特朗普照样在把核技术送给沙特。

>b-b-but they're different to Mamdani etc!

>可、可是他们跟曼达尼(Mamdani)他们不一样啊！

A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Either all are anti-US terrorists or none of them are. And Mamdani is more of a patriotic American than you'll ever be, Trumptards that support a terrorist state-supporting Trump.

穆斯林就是穆斯林，翻来覆去还是穆斯林。要么全是反美恐怖分子，要么全都不是。而曼达尼比你这辈子都更像个爱国美国人，你们这些MAGA仔支持的可是个支持恐怖主义国家的特朗普。

>>1533818

>Trust trump

>信特朗普

>Or John Solomon's propaganda outlet

>或者信约翰·所罗门(John Solomon)那个宣传机构

>>1533826

Ifnprices are actually up how do you know these aren't long term effects of Briben and Obongo era policies? How can you know for certain it's the fault of President Trump?

如果价格真涨了，你怎么知道这不是“贿登”(Briben)和“奥邦戈”(Obongo)时代政策的长期后遗症？你怎么百分之百确定是特朗普总统的锅？

Bad empanada is a idiot pedophile who loves little boys and a epstein regime supporter because he is just controlled opposition like his inferior fans who all need to go six feet under, Ltg is better than all youtubers who hate him and the internet as they don't know how to think for themselves and also only ones who use the term narcissist are narcissists themselves because they cant do anything by themselves brainwash scum, and they pile on other still because they don't understand the group logic is fake its a bunch of narcissists who are ganging up on one person who is better than them 1v1 and also its just a bunch of 1v1s you inferior fools. Also Nintendo fans suck their game thumb wrestlings is shit and all japanese games suck and anything from miyamoto and nintendo of kyoto developed is inferior and horrible. I hope they all go six feet under. I hope everybody I talked about and the internet goes six feet under. Also the Internet is full of retarded idiots who all need to be six feet under , and most of all dumbasses from flame war theater who are retarded idiots projecting and also one piece piratefolk and also the reddit post about The Viper Room, Molly Bloom, Hollywood A-Listers post are horrible and dumb and also hope they go six feet under, anyways the internet is full of inferior unintelligent scum who all will go six feet under, and a lot are already there, so B-I-H you idiots. I hope every idiot goes six feet under and also all of the internet are inferior idiots as well who need to go six feet under screw yall.

坏馅饼(Bad Empanada)是个白痴恋童癖，喜欢小男孩，还是爱泼斯坦政权的支持者，因为他就是受控反对派，跟他那些低等的粉丝一样，全都该入土。Ltg（LowTierGod）比所有讨厌他的油管主强，也比网络强，因为那些人不会自己思考，而且只有自恋狂才会用“自恋狂”这个词骂人，因为他们自己什么都干不成，是被洗脑的渣滓，还成群结队围攻别人，因为他们不懂“人多势众”那套逻辑是假的——那不过是一帮1v1打不过别人的自恋狂在围殴一个比他们强的人，本质上还是一堆1v1，你们这些低等蠢货。另外任天堂粉丝烂透了，他们那个拇指摔跤游戏是坨屎，所有日本游戏都烂，宫本茂和京都任天堂做出来的东西全是下等货。我希望他们全都入土。我希望我点到的所有人还有整个互联网全都入土。还有，互联网上全是该入土的智障白痴，尤其是“骂战剧场”(flame war theater)那帮智障白痴，一个个投射别人；还有海贼王 Piratefolk 版块，还有那条聊蛇屋(The Viper Room)、莫莉·布鲁姆(Molly Bloom)和好莱坞一线明星的Reddit帖子，又烂又蠢，希望它们也统统入土。总之互联网上全是迟早入土的低等蠢货，很多已经在土里了，所以B-I-H吧你们这群白痴。我希望每个白痴都入土，整个互联网也都是该入土的低等白痴，去死吧你们。

>>1533852

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

>>1533852

If you can make tangible connections to specific Biden or Obama policies that have led to this price spike, I'd be interested to see your findings

你要是能把这次价格飙升具体归因到某几条拜登或奥巴马的政策上，我很乐意看看你的研究结论

>>1533855

Regulations. Enviornmentalism

监管。环保主义。

1533852

>Briben

>Obongo

So it's not Biden and Obama who are responsible for what's happened, but two fictional people invented by the esl shill as a way to put the blame on others for Trump's long term effects since early 2025.

所以这事不该拜登和奥巴马负责，该负责的是ESL狗托虚构出来的两个人，好把特朗普2025年初以来的长期恶果甩给别人。

>>1533856

>specific

>>1533858

You can't be specific when it comes to a wide sweeping range of regulations, handicaps and limitations placed on the oil industry. This has been an attack on American energy that's lasted for decades. California had higher gas prices than today during the Obongo regime, you can't blame that on President Trump, it's clearly the fault of liggeral (((policy)))

针对石油行业的监管、枷锁和限制是一整套大网，这种东西没法“具体到某一条”。这是持续了几十年、针对美国能源的进攻。奥邦戈时期加州的油价比现在还高，那可赖不到特朗普总统头上，明显是利波佬的(((政策)))（三重括号暗指犹太人）的锅

>>1533815

>Obama's perfect peace accords

>奥巴马那份完美和平协议

>Israel has proof Donald Trump fucked children.

>以色列手里有唐纳德·特朗普嫖儿童的证据。

Bait.

>>1533860

So you can't actually articulate an argument, but you're passionately certain of your stance?

所以你根本讲不出个像样的论证，但你对立场却坚定得热血沸腾？

>>1533858

What is specific is that 1533860 is the proven esl shill: >>1533650

具体的事情倒是有一件：1533860已被实锤是ESL狗托：>>1533650

And is also a proven liar:

而且已被实锤是个骗子：

>>1529518

>>1529639

Thus all its claims about others are fake news. It projects so much it needs to put the blame on others because the esl shill needs to lie to defend its orange Liar-in-Chief.

所以它对别人的一切指控都是假新闻。它投射得如此凶，非得把锅甩给别人，因为ESL狗托要靠撒谎才能保卫它的橙色“谎话总司令”(Liar-in-Chief)。

>>1533865

Weird, yesterday you were saying that I, and not him, was the ESL shill.

怪了，昨天你还说ESL狗托是我而不是他来着。

1533860

>liggeral

1533866

Weird. You're lying again in claiming you're not the esl shill >>1533590

怪了。你又撒谎了，说自己不是ESL狗托 >>1533590

>ligtranny

>>1533863

Compared to the shit show that Trump's been putting us through for the last 6 months, yeah I think I'd call them perfect in comparison.

比起特朗普过去6个月让我们看的这坨马戏，对，我觉得相比之下它们堪称完美。

>>1533866

Liggerals says what?

利波佬说什么？

>>1533864

Same can be said of liggerals and their random blaming of current gas prices, which, again, are lower than Obongo era prices

利波佬也一样，张口就把现在油价瞎怪一通，再说一遍，现在的油价比奥邦戈时代低

>>1533877

So you're no better than they are

所以你也没比他们高尚到哪去

>>1533877

>blaming of current gas prices, which, again, are lower than Obongo era prices

>张口就把现在油价瞎怪一通，再说一遍，现在的油价比奥邦戈时代低

You really sure about that?

这个你真确定？

>>1533852

>>1533856

Who started a war with Iran that led to one of the most important oil shipping lanes in the world being closed? This isn't some "X's policies led to Y" where you can debate context all day and night; gas prices are up because there is physically less oil being transported across the planet right now. The reason for this is that Trump bombed Iran and they closed the Strait in response.

是谁对伊朗开战，害得全球最重要的石油航道之一被封锁？这不是那种“某人的政策导致了某结果”、可以没日没夜掰扯语境的题目；油价涨了，就是因为眼下全球在运的石油实实在在地变少了。原因就是特朗普炸了伊朗，伊朗封了海峡作为回应。

That's objective reality, no way around it. Even Trump's delusional claims revolve more around him imagining we've miraculously opened the strait than the idea that the prices aren't a direct result of that.

这是客观现实，绕不过去。连特朗普的妄想都集中在“我们奇迹般重新打通了海峡”上，而不是“涨价跟这事没直接关系”上。

>>1533807

we gotta beat those slimy yellow bastards. Those Dirty Iranian traitors turned their back on great American leadership.

我们得收拾那帮黏糊糊的黄皮杂种。那些肮脏的伊朗叛徒背弃了伟大的美国领导。

>>1533863

which part is bait?

哪句是钓鱼？

Obama had peace with Iran, and Trump fucks children.

奥巴马跟伊朗有和平，特朗普嫖儿童。

>>1533888

both

>>1533889

you're both a faggot and a shill

你既是死基佬又是狗托

>>1533888

>Obama had peace with Iran

>奥巴马跟伊朗有和平

and didn't raise gas prices by giving Iran a guaranteed revenue stream and took away their nuclear material

而且没靠给伊朗送一份保底财源来抬高油价，还收走了他们的核材料

So really its three things Obama did better than trump, and trump is also a pedophile.

所以实际上是奥巴马比特朗普强的地方有三件，而且特朗普还是个恋童癖。

>>1533898

>giving Iran a guaranteed revenue stream

>给伊朗送一份保底财源

Trump hasnt done this and Obama "paid" them billions of dollars.

特朗普没干过这个，倒是奥巴马“付”了他们几十亿。

>and took away their nuclear material

>还收走了他们的核材料

No he didnt, they kept all of it and under the deal they could develop nukes after 2030.

不，他没有。核材料他们全留下了，而且按协议2030年之后他们就能发展核武。

>>1533899

>trump is also a pedophile

>而且特朗普还是个恋童癖

>>1533900

>just saying random shit

>净是张口瞎说

Good luck with the whole "impotent rage" thing

祝你那套“无能狂怒”玩得开心

>i'm esl shill, i wish i fucked my mom

>我是ESL狗托，我想操我妈

>>1533902

>doubling down on the impotent rage

>无能狂怒还变本加厉了

Are ya winning, son?

儿子，赢了吗？

haha trump is a pedophile, so random XD

哈哈特朗普是恋童癖，好随机XD

>>1533899

>"paid"

With money that was already theirs. Those quotation marks are doing a lot of work.

用的还是本来就是人家自己的钱。你这对引号可太能扛事儿了。

>>1533904

Yeah, man, quit having a cow over Trump being a pedophile. Who cares if the president rapes kids, right?

对啊老兄，别为“特朗普是恋童癖”这么大惊小怪。总统强奸小孩算个啥，对吧？

>>1533906

No, their game of extortion worked on Obama.

不，他们的勒索把戏在奥巴马身上得逞过。

He rleased funds and caved to their bullshit and relaxed sanctions.

他放行了资金，向他们的鬼话屈服，还放松了制裁。

Itranians have been fucking with everyone going through the strait and enriching uranium for years to bring the US to the barganing table.

伊朗人多年来一直在骚扰过海峡的所有人、浓缩铀，就为了逼美国坐上谈判桌。

>>1533910

>No, their game of extortion worked on Obama.

>不，他们的勒索把戏在奥巴马身上得逞过。

>For their own assets

>用的是他们自己的资产

>In exchange for something Obama very much wanted

>换来的是奥巴马非常想要的东西

Ok sure.

行，信你。

Hey by the way if that was extortion, what does Trump trying to get the same deal mean?

对了，如果那算勒索，那特朗普也在努力争取同样的协议算什么？

>>1533904

it's like the clinton emails and q anon but progressive

这就是进步派版的克林顿邮件门加Q anon

>Trumps just all over the files because he was snitching

>特朗普满手都是档案，因为他是告密的那个

>He's not a pedophile if I clap my hands and believe~

>只要我拍拍手相信，他就不是恋童癖～

>>1533914

Don't forget trump was going to surrender and actually use American money to give that to the Iranians before like everything he does, he went back on his word.

别忘了，特朗普本来都要投降了，真打算用美国人的钱把钱给伊朗人，结果跟他干的每件事一样，又反悔了。

>>1533924

Trump uses American money for whatever the fuck he wants.

特朗普想拿美国人的钱干什么就他妈干什么。

All the anons who bitch that taxation is theft are suddenly nowhere to be found when Trump's using OUR FUCKING MONEY to build statues of himself and as gifts to billionaires and to fund the Saudi nuclear program.

整天嚷嚷“税收就是抢劫”的那帮老哥，一到特朗普拿我们他妈的血汗钱给自己塑像、送亿万富翁当礼物、给沙特核计划输血的时候，就集体人间蒸发了。

>the amount Obama gave to Iran which was already theirs

>奥巴马给伊朗的那笔钱，本来就是伊朗自己的

>the amount Trump gave to Iran which was American taxpayers'

>特朗普给伊朗的那笔钱，是美国纳税人的

Gee, that one's a toughie. /s But not to financially suffering American taxpayers, especially in the midterms

哎呀，这道题好难哦。（/s，反讽）不过对经济上苦哈哈的美国纳税人来说一点也不难，尤其是中期选举的时候

>>1533947

You act like anything but blind loyalty matters to Maga

你搞得好像对MAGA来说除了盲目忠诚还有什么东西要紧似的

>>1533947

Source on Irans rebuilding fund being US taxpayer money?

伊朗重建基金用的是美国纳税人的钱，信源呢？

>>1533950

Trump has given them nnothing. That deal fell through.

特朗普给过他们零。那协议黄了。

And I think the enitre board is tired of correcting you on this point.

而且我觉得全版的人都已经懒得再就这一点纠正你了。

>>1533924

Nope. Why are you repeating Iranian propaganda?

不对。你为什么在复读伊朗宣传？

>>1533947

>Obama paid Iran

>奥巴马给了伊朗钱

>Trump hasn't and won't

>特朗普没有，将来也不会

Killer argument you got there, champ.

好一个杀手级论证啊，冠军。

>>1533953

>>Trump hasn't and won't

>>特朗普没有，将来也不会

Reminder he already released billions in Iranian assets to get the ceasefire that he himself then blew up.

提醒一下：为了换来停火，他已经解冻了数十亿美元的伊朗资产——然后停火又被他自己亲手炸了。

>>1533954

>More Iranian propaganda

>又是伊朗宣传

Brown.

MOU said that IF Iran was a good boy, the US would unfreeze certain assets. Iran has not been a good boy, and those assets remain frozen.

谅解备忘录(MOU)写的是：如果伊朗表现乖，美国就解冻某些资产。伊朗不乖，那些资产至今冻着。

>>1533953

>https://www.wral.com/news/state/fact-check-us-iran-300-billion-rebuild-june-25/

Yes he did.

是的，他确实吩咐了。

>>1533956

Nope.

That was $300B from the Gulf States IF Iran met certain future requirements. Vance and Rubio have spoken on this.

那是海湾国家出的3000亿美元，前提是伊朗满足某些未来条件。万斯和卢比奥(Rubio)都谈过这事。

>>1533955

>MOU said that IF Iran was a good boy, the US would unfreeze certain assets. Iran has not been a good boy, and those assets remain frozen.

>谅解备忘录(MOU)写的是：如果伊朗表现乖，美国就解冻某些资产。伊朗不乖，那些资产至今冻着。

No, we unfroze 24 billion to GET the MOU with promises that we'd unfreeze more after we came to a conclusion. This wasn't part of what we would give them if the war ended, it was what we gave them to convince them to abide by the ceasefire and come to negotiations.

不对，我们解冻 240 亿是为了拿到谅解备忘录(MOU)，并承诺达成最终结论后解冻更多。这不是我们“战争结束就给”的条件，而是为了让他们遵守停火、坐上谈判桌给的东西。

>>1533964

>we unfroze 24 billion to GET the MOU with promises that we'd unfreeze more after we came to a conclusion

>我们解冻 240 亿是为了拿到 MOU，并承诺达成最终结论后解冻更多

Simply not true.

根本不是真的。

Qatar has confirmed that the $6B in frozen assets remains in their possession.

卡塔尔已确认那 60 亿冻结资产仍由他们保管。

>>1533966

We know they got at least a few billion

我们知道他们至少拿到了几十亿

>https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uae-unlock-billions-dollars-iran-sources-say-2026-06-12/

We also know they were allowed to sell oil to get even more money

我们也知道他们被允许卖油来赚更多的钱

>https://www.thedailystar.net/news/world/us-israel-war-iran/news/us-authorises-iranian-oil-sales-amid-talks-final-peace-deal-4205471

>>1533969

Both those articles are future tense. Talking about the terms of the deal not what actually happened.

那两篇报道都是将来时。讲的是协议条款，不是实际发生了什么。

>>1533947

That is a fucking lie

这他妈就是撒谎

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/

The new fund is a private investment vehicle, not a reconstruction or reparations programme and will not include any government money or grants

新基金是一个私人投资工具，不是重建或赔偿计划，不会包含任何政府资金或拨款

NO GOVERNMENT MONEY OR GRANTS

The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents

美国纳税人一分钱都不出

1533948

1533950

1533953

>thinks their wrong opinions on a backwater part of the internet will influence the decisions in the midterms of those who have never heard of 4chan

>以为自己在网络犄角旮旯里的错误观点，能影响那些从没听说过 4chan 的人在任期中的决定

Unless you stop being terminally online /r9k/ rejects & r/The_Donald refugees, leave your cucksheds and go out there and knock on the doors of those financially suffering Republican voters since early 2025 and persuade them in person that they should listen to your wrong opinions, they're going to decide in a certain way in a couple of months that you won't like. Good

除非你不再做重度网瘾的 /r9k/ 落榜生和 r/The_Donald 难民，走出你的懦夫小屋，去敲那些从 2025 年初就开始经济受苦的共和党选民的门，当面劝说他们听信你的错误观点，否则几个月后他们就会用你不喜欢的方式投票。很好

>>1533972

>The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents

>美国纳税人一分钱都不出

Where have I heard this before?

这话我在哪儿听过？

>>1533976

Hey schizo, me an some anon are having a nice argument about the MOU and the war. Could you maybe take your fucking meds? 'kaythanksbye

嘿精神分裂，我和几位老哥正在好好讨论 MOU 和战争。你能不能去吃你那该死的药？好的谢谢再见

>>1533978

Obama probably.

大概是奥巴马吧。

>You walked right into that one, dumbass.

>你自己撞枪口上了，蠢货。

>>1533970

There's reports they did release the money and are denying it now because after the MOU fell apart it would've done it for nothing. Hence why a few weeks after they denied any assets were released, their central bank "conveniently" started a mass review looking for money being given to Iran.

有报道称他们确实放了钱，现在矢口否认，因为 MOU 谈崩之后放钱就白放了。这就是为什么他们否认放款几周后，他们的央行就“恰好”开始大规模排查流向伊朗的资金。

>>1533983

Again, Qatar has said no money was transferred and the transfer of money was predicted on a final ceasefire, which was never reached.

再说一遍，卡塔尔说没有资金转移，而转移资金的前提是最终停火，那个从未达成。

>>1533978

>The new fund is a private investment vehicle, not a reconstruction or reparations programme and will not include any government money or grants, the source said, adding that companies based in the U.S., the Gulf Arab states, Asia, South America and Africa have agreed to commit financing.

>消息人士称，新基金是一个私人投资工具，不是重建或赔偿计划，不会包含任何政府资金或拨款；他补充说，美国、海湾国家、亚洲、南美和非洲的企业已同意出资。

>Investments pledged span energy, logistics, manufacturing and transport, the source said.

>消息人士称，承诺的投资涵盖能源、物流、制造和运输。

U.S. President Donald Trump pushed back on Wednesday against any characterisation of the fund as a U.S. investment. "We're not investing, we're not putting up 10 cents," he said, adding that he was not asking Gulf countries to invest either.

美国总统唐纳德·特朗普周三反驳了将该基金称为美国投资的任何说法。“我们不是在投资，一分钱都不出，”他说，并补充他也没有要求海湾国家投资。

Probably the next paragraph of the news article.

大概是那篇新闻的下一句话吧。

>>1533972

>The US Taxpayer isn't putting up 10 cents

>美国纳税人一分钱都不出

Except for the 100 billion plus that's been expended on this stupid war so far, not to mention the tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars in damage that's been done to US military infrastructure in the Gulf region

除了这场蠢战争迄今烧掉的 1000 多亿，更别提对美军在海湾地区基础设施造成的几百亿甚至上千亿美元损失

>>1533987

So when we spend money on a bomb from Raytheon, we are giving that money to Iran, and when we spend money on the salaries of US Servicemen deployed in the Strait of Hormuz we are giving that money to Iran, so actually we gave them 100 billion dollars?

所以当我们花钱买雷神的炸弹时，我们是在把钱给伊朗；当我们给部署在霍尔木兹海峡的美军发薪水时，我们是在把钱给伊朗；所以其实我们给了他们 1000 亿美元？

I wonder how much we gave the Ayatollah with that bomb we dropped on his head, probably at least a million dollars

不知道我们往最高领袖头上扔的那颗炸弹给了他多少钱，起码一百万美元吧

>Hey schizo

>嘿精神分裂

>Could you maybe take your fucking meds?

>你能不能去吃你那该死的药？

Nice projection, meds-needing schizo 1533979.

投射得漂亮，该吃药的精神分裂 1533979。

>>1533988

>Yes we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this stupid war both in military spending and increased fuel prices, neither of which happened with Obama's JCPOA plan that Trump tore up, but it doesn't count because... BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY!?

>对，我们正在这场蠢战争上花几千亿，军费和油价都涨，而奥巴马撕毁前这些在 JCPOA 协议下都没发生，但这不算数，因为……因为就是不算数行了吧！？

>>1533995

Under JCPOA Iran gets nukes after 2030. Hence we tore it up.

按 JCPOA，伊朗 2030 年后就能有核。所以才撕。

>>1533997

>Under JCPOA Iran gets nukes after 2030. Hence we tore it up.

>按 JCPOA，伊朗 2030 年后就能有核。所以才撕。

Yes because it makes perfect sense that if the deal was going to make it so they could theoretically develop a bomb years later, we instead tear it up so they can develop one now.

对，非常合理：如果协议本来只是让他们理论上多年后才可能造出核弹，那我们就撕掉协议，好让他们现在就能造。

Oh but don't worry, we'll put a stop to that by... going to war and then promptly giving them leverage to just straight demand the right to nuclear enrichment.

哦不过别担心，我们会制止这一切，方法是……开战，然后迅速送上门筹码，让人家直接索要铀浓缩的权利。

Fantastic plan everyone.

好一个绝妙计划，各位。

>>1533997

Maybe if Trump hadn't torn up the agreement out of spite despite the fact that his own administration has never been able to present proof they were in violation of the terms, it would have worked and been renewed at the end of the timeline

要是特朗普不是因为赌气撕毁协议——尽管他自己的政府从没能拿出他们违反条款的证据——协议本来会生效，并在期限末尾续签

But we'll never know. Instead we got 18 dead and 700 injured servicemen (so far), a 100+ billion dollar war tab (so far), and all time high diesel prices

但我们永远不会知道了。换来的是 18 死 700 伤的官兵（截至目前）、1000 多亿的战争账单（截至目前），和史上最高的柴油价格

>>1533999

Also this. You never see perpetual agreements because no one wants to be held to a contract unto eternity.

还有这条。你从没见过永久协议，因为没人想被一份合同约束到永远。

>>1533998

This dumbass war has shown Iran that they absolutely need a nuke

这场蠢战争让伊朗明白他们绝对需要核弹

Look at how Trump gushes and swoons over the literal communist regime in North Korea vs how he's interacted with Iran and Venezuela

看看特朗普对朝鲜那个字面意义上的共产党政权如何极尽吹捧陶醉，再对比他对伊朗和委内瑞拉的态度

What's the difference? North Korea has nukes. Which means the US can't just push them around.

区别在哪？朝鲜有核弹。所以美国没法随便拿捏他们。

Every non-nuclear state is probably looking at developing a nuke at this point

到了这一步，每个无核国家大概都在琢磨搞核弹了

>>1533998

>Old plan: Iran 100% lawfully gets a nuke after 2030

>旧方案：伊朗 100% 合法地在 2030 年后拿到核弹

>Current plan: Iran never gets a nuke, also we totally destroy their conventional forces

>现行方案：伊朗永远拿不到核弹，我们也彻底摧毁了他们的常规部队

This one is better.

这个更好。

>>1533999

Violation of its terms doesn't matter. Old plan let's them get a nuke. Unacceptable.

违反条款不重要。旧方案会让他们拿到核弹。不可接受。

>>1534001

>Iran needs a nuke

>伊朗需要核弹

You're brown.

你是棕色人种。

>Look at NK!

>看看朝鲜！

People from the Clinton admin say their biggest regret is not striking NK to prevent it getting a nuke in the 1990's.

克林顿政府的人说过，他们最大的遗憾就是 90 年代没有打击朝鲜、阻止它拿到核弹。

>>1533997

This is esl shill level reading comprehension

这是 ESL 狗托级别的阅读理解

>>1534002

>>Current plan: Iran never gets a nuke, also we totally destroy their conventional forces

>>现行方案：伊朗永远拿不到核弹，我们也彻底摧毁了他们的常规部队

Current reality: Iran is holding the world by the balls and the only option is to comply with their demands on some level they have to agree with or we'll never get the fucking strait open.

现行现实：伊朗掐着全世界的蛋蛋，唯一的选择是接受某种程度他们点头的要求，否则海峡他妈的永远打不开。

So yes the old plan was better you fucking retard. It actually worked.

所以对，旧方案更好，你这个该死的智障。它真的管用。

>>1533998

Did you miss the start of this war?

你是错过了这场战争的开局吗？

The part where all of Iran's nuclear facilities were targeted by American and Israeli bunker busters?

伊朗所有核设施都被美以钻地弹瞄准的那部分？

>>1534004

>Current reality: Iran is holding the world by the balls and the only option is to comply with their demands on some level they have to agree with or we'll never get the fucking strait open.

>现行现实：伊朗掐着全世界的蛋蛋，唯一的选择是接受某种程度他们点头的要求，否则海峡他妈的永远打不开。

Still pushing Iranian propaganda huh?

还在推伊朗的宣传呢？

>So yes the old plan was better you fucking retard

>所以对，旧方案更好，你这个该死的智障

The old plan where the genocidal maniacs get a nuclear weapon?

旧方案？种族灭绝狂魔拿到核武器的那种旧方案？

>>1534004

But have you considered if you radically misread the old plan and pretend it means Iran gets a guaranteed nuke in 30 years its worse?

但你有没有想过，如果你把旧方案读得面目全非、硬说它意味着伊朗 30 年后保证能拿到核弹，它是不是反而更糟？

You can reject plans for schizo reasons like Trump did, you know

你可以像特朗普那样以精神分裂的理由否掉协议，你知道吗

>>1534002

>Violation of its terms doesn't matter.

>违反条款不重要。

Cool. That means any agreement made with the United States isn't worth the paper it's printed on and no nation has any incentive to ever make an agreement with us.

好极了。这意味着任何与美国达成的协议都不值印它的纸，任何国家都没有理由再跟我们签任何协议。

Which in turn means the only way the United States can resolve any conflict is bombing the other party into submission.

而这又意味着，美国解决一切冲突的唯一方式就是把对方炸到屈服。

Given we're six months in and we haven't been able to bomb a second world mediocre regional power into submission, after spending hundreds of billions of dollars, depleting our munitions stocks and strategic petroleum reserve, and spiking diesel to the most expensive it's ever been, do you feel that's a sustainable model for international relations?

鉴于我们已经打了六个月，砸了几千亿、耗尽弹药库存和战略石油储备、把柴油价格推到史上最高，却没能把一个二流地区强国炸到屈服——你觉得这是可持续的国际关系模式吗？

>>1534007

>But have you considered if you radically misread the old plan and pretend it means Iran gets a guaranteed nuke in 30 years its worse

>但你有没有想过，如果你把旧方案读得面目全非、硬说它意味着伊朗 30 年后保证能拿到核弹，它是不是反而更糟

2030 is in four years.

2030 距今只有四年。

>But you're misreading it!

>可你读错了！

Nope, the problem here is that I have actually read the deal. Look at Annex 1 sections 27 and 28. It's a sunset provision.

不，问题在于我真的读过这份协议。看附件 1 第 27 和 28 条。那是日落条款。

>>1534010

I've read it. Feel free to paste the section that says Iran gets nukes.

我读过。欢迎你贴出说“伊朗能拿到核弹”的那一段。

You can't because its not in there, the only question is if you're retarded or esl

你贴不出来，因为里面没有。唯一的问题是你到底是智障还是 ESL。

>>1534009

>That means any agreement made with the United States isn't worth the paper it's printed on and no nation has any incentive to ever make an agreement with us.

>这意味着任何与美国达成的协议都不值印它的纸，任何国家都没有理由再跟我们签任何协议。

A deal that is not ratified by the Senate? Yes, because it's not binding. Civics 101, nigger.

一份没经参议院批准的协议？对，因为它没有约束力。公民课 101，黑鬼。

>Given we're six months in and we haven't been able to bomb a second world mediocre regional power into submission

>鉴于我们已经打了六个月，却没能把一个二流地区强国炸到屈服

We've inflicted generational damage on them. Their navy and army and air force and military industry and nuke program are all gone. The Gulf States are building pipelines so we can avoid the strait. Tick tock, faggots.

我们给他们造成了跨代际的伤害。他们的海军、陆军、空军、军工和核计划全没了。海湾国家在修管道绕开海峡。等着瞧吧，基佬们。

>do you feel that's a sustainable model for international relations?

>你觉得这是可持续的国际关系模式吗？

Yes.

>>1534011

>27. Iran will keep its enrichment capacity at no more than 5060 IR-1 centrifuge

>27. 伊朗将把其浓缩能力保持在不超过 5060 台 IR-1 离心机

machines in no more than 30 cascades in their current configurations in

不超过 30 个级联、保持现有构型，位于

currently operating units at the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) for 10 years.

纳坦兹铀浓缩厂(FEP)现运行单元，为期 10 年。

>28. Iran will keep its level of uranium enrichment at up to 3.67 percent for 15 years.

>28. 伊朗将在 15 年内把铀浓缩水平保持在不超过 3.67%。

>>1533807

Things trump supporters can't say:

特朗普支持者说不出口的话：

>I don't support pedophiles

>我不支持恋童癖

>I believe in the rule of law

>我相信法治

>still cheaper than Biden™

>还是比拜登™便宜

>>1534014

....So Iran doesn't get a guaranteed Nuke in 2030?

……所以伊朗不会在 2030 年保证拿到核弹？

...And Trump ripping up the agreement in 2018 was the effectively the same as the sunset provisions?

……而特朗普 2018 年撕毁协议的效果和日落条款一样？

I'll accept your concession, and I'll expect an apology that Trump enabled Iran to get a guaranteed nuke in 2018.

我接受你的认输，并期待你道歉：特朗普 2018 年就让伊朗获得了保证拿到核弹的机会。

>>1534016

>....So Iran doesn't get a guaranteed Nuke in 2030

>……所以伊朗不会在 2030 年保证拿到核弹

Are you being willfully obtuse or is this a genuine IQ problem?

你是故意装傻，还是真的智商有问题？

The agreemnt has certain fixed periods of time. Once those periods of time end, what is Iran allowed to do?

协议有若干固定期限。那些期限结束后，伊朗被允许做什么？

Things Biden supporters can't say

拜登支持者说不出口的话

>I don't support pedophiles

>我不支持恋童癖

>I believe the rule of law applies to everyone equally

>我相信法治对所有人一视同仁

>Still cheaper than Trump's first term

>还是比特朗普第一任便宜

https://i.imgur.com/cCgEfoN.jpeg

>>1534012

>We can just be the world police forever

>我们可以永远当世界警察

There it is. Party like it's 2002. There's absolutely zero difference between MAGA in 2026 and Bush era neoconservatism.

来了。像 2002 年那样狂欢。2026 年的 MAGA 和布什时代的新保守主义毫无区别。

>>1534018

>Trump printing four trillion dollars out of thin air and dumping it into the economy in 2020 had nothing to do with this

>特朗普 2020 年凭空印了 4 万亿美元扔进经济，跟这事儿毫无关系

Are there really still retards who believe this?

真的还有智障信这个？

>>1534020

>Trump printed four trillion

>特朗普印了 4 万亿

Bait. Literally, this is bait.

鱼饵。这就是字面意义上的鱼饵。

>>1534012

>Their navy and army and air force and military industry and nuke program are all gone.

>他们的海军、陆军、空军、军工和核计划全没了。

You keep saying that and yet they keep being able to bomb us and everyone crossing the strait.

你一直这么说，可他们还是能炸我们、炸所有过海峡的人。

>>1534019

>>We can just be the world police forever

>>我们可以永远当世界警察

Who are you quoting?!

你在引用谁？！

>>1534017

>but Iran gets it when the deal runs out

>但协议到期后伊朗就能拿到

And when Trump makes the deal run out 12 years early, thats the same as giving Iran a nuke 12 years early? Yes or No?

那特朗普把协议提前 12 年撕掉，是不是等于让伊朗提前 12 年拿到核弹？是或不是？

>>1534010

>2030 is in four years.

>2030 距今只有四年。

He ripped up the agreement in 2019. Effectively he cut the time the US had to get a new deal short by 11 years.

他 2019 年撕的协议。等于把美国争取新协议的时间砍短了 11 年。

>>1534024

>Ending the deal and destroying their ability to make nukes

>撕毁协议、摧毁他们造核弹的能力

>Is the same as letting them get nukes after a certain period of time.

>等同于让他们在某个期限后拿到核弹。

>>1534006

>Still pushing Iranian propaganda huh?

>还在推伊朗的宣传呢？

Is it Iranian propaganda that the strait still isn't fucking open?

海峡还他妈没打开，这也是伊朗宣传？

>The old plan where the genocidal maniacs get a nuclear weapon?

>旧方案？种族灭绝狂魔拿到核武器的那种旧方案？

As opposed to the new plan where we just have to hope we can bomb them every time. Except oh wait, now they actually have leverage against us.

那可比新方案强，新方案里我们只能指望每次都炸得动他们。哦等等，现在人家手里有反制我们的筹码了。

Meanwhile as we're discussing this the Saudis literally got a deal allowing them to make nukes lmao.

就在我们讨论这事儿的时候，沙特已经拿到允许造核弹的协议了，哈哈。

>>1534025

>New deal

>新协议

Yes I'm sure Iran would make a new deal.

对，我确信伊朗会签新协议。

>>1534025

esl shill is paid to not understand

ESL 狗托是拿钱装不懂的

If anything, Trump proved that Obama's plan would have worked until 2036 at least.

要说有什么影响，特朗普恰恰证明了奥巴马的方案至少能管用到 2036 年。

>>1534026

>destroying their ability to make nukes

>摧毁他们造核弹的能力

Weird how we supposedly did that and then a year later suddenly they were two weeks away from one again. And apparently we can't just fuck off from this war because they still can just make one if we don't stop bombing them every few weeks.

怪了，我们 supposedly 做到了，一年后他们怎么突然又离核弹只剩两周了？而且显然我们没法从这场战争里抽身，因为只要我们不是每隔几周炸一次，他们就能随时再造一个。

>>1534020

Why didn't Trump have 9% inflation if his money printing was responsible for the inflation? Why did it seem to wait until Biden entered office?

如果通胀是特朗普印钱造成的，为什么他任内没有 9% 的通胀？为什么通胀好像等到拜登上台才来？

>>1534027

>Is it Iranian propaganda that the strait still isn't fucking open

>海峡还他妈没打开，这也是伊朗宣传？

Yes.

>As opposed to the new plan where we just have to hope we can bomb them every time.

>那可比新方案强，新方案里我们只能指望每次都炸得动他们。

We can bomb them whenever we want. We have total air supremacy.

我们想什么时候炸就什么时候炸。我们有绝对的制空权。

>Except oh wait, now they actually have leverage against us.

>哦等等，现在人家手里有反制我们的筹码了。

Less leverage than a nuclear weapon.

比核武器的筹码少。

>>1534030

the two weeks part is israeli propaganda, and unless Trump agrees with it they're releasing his child raping videos

“两周”那部分是以色列宣传，而且除非特朗普答应，否则他们就要放出他娈童的视频

>>1534021

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

>>1534030

Yeah. They should make a deal so we can stop bombing them

对。他们应该签个协议，好让我们停止轰炸

>>1534033

>Muh Russians muh pisstapes

>又是俄国人又是尿裤磁带

>Muh Jews muh tapes

>又是犹太人又是磁带

>>1534031

>What is a lagging indicator

>你知道什么叫滞后指标吗

You aren't this stupid. Stop pretending.

你没那么蠢。别装了。

>>1534035

Waiting the United States out worked pretty well for the Viet Cong and Taliban.

耗走美国人这招对越共和塔利班都挺好使。

So what I'm reading here is that Trump accelerated Iran being able to get a nuke from 2030 to 2025.

所以按我读到的，特朗普把伊朗获得核弹的时间从 2030 年提前到了 2025 年。

When's he going to be arrested as a traitor for helping Iran get a nuke 5 years early?

他帮伊朗提前 5 年拿到核弹，什么时候以叛国罪被抓？

>>1534040

Iran can't just wait for Democrats to fuck up the withdrawal like they did with Biden in Afghanistan, and LBJ in Vietnam. They are negotiating with JD Vance or Marco Rubio next

伊朗不能干等着民主党像拜登在阿富汗、林登·约翰逊在越南那样搞砸撤军。下次谈判对面是 JD·万斯或马尔科·卢比奥

>>1534043

Trump's administration signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban (i.e. negotiated with terrorists) in 2020

特朗普政府 2020 年与塔利班签署了撤军协议（也就是和恐怖分子谈判）

Richard Nixon oversaw the calamitous Vietnam withdrawal

监督灾难性越南撤军的是理查德·尼克松

Why is having no idea what you're talking about a core tenet of modern right wing philosophy?

为什么“对自己说的话一无所知”成了现代右翼哲学的核心信条？

>>1534041

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites

When you blow up all their nuclear sites you accelerate their nuclear program

你把人家所有核设施炸上天，就是在加速他们的核计划

I see you are borrowing from the Justin Trudeau school of strategy

我看你是在借鉴贾斯汀·特鲁多战略学院

>>1534046

So you agree and self BTFO?

所以你同意并自我 BTFO 了？

>>1534045

Trump's administration signed the agreement that was violated by the Biden administration, making it Biden's withdrawal

特朗普政府签了那份被拜登政府违反的协议，所以那是拜登的撤军

On 8 July 2021, President Biden announced that the official conclusion to the war in Afghanistan would be on 31 August 2021.

2021年7月8日，拜登总统宣布阿富汗战争将于2021年8月31日正式结束。

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/mission-accomplished-us-speeds-afghanistan-withdrawal

>Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31

>拜登推迟了他继承的5月1日撤军日期。但最终他的政府推进了 8 月 31 日之前撤军的计划

If he left on May 1st he would have been honoring the Doha Agreement, but he broke that agreement by delaying the withdrawal an additional 122 days

如果他于 5 月 1 日离开，他将遵守《多哈协议》，但他将退出协议又推迟了 122 天，从而违反了该协议。

>>1534047

If you believe that blowing up Irans nuclear program accelerates Irans nuclear program, you would believe that killing terrorists actually makes them win, like Justin Trudeau

如果你相信炸伊朗核计划能加速伊朗核计划，那你就会相信杀恐怖分子反而让他们赢，跟贾斯汀·特鲁多一样

>>1534048

In your own words, articulate the difference that delay made in the ultimate outcome of the withdrawal

用你自己的话，讲清楚这个拖延对撤军最终结果造成了什么不同

>>1534049

>strawmanning this hard

>歪曲到这个地步

yep, you self btfo'd

对，你自我 BTFO 了

>>1534046

Clearly something went wrong, since the narrative from the Trump administration went from Iran's nuclear capabilities were obliterated and it would be years if not decades before they'd be able to rebuild and try again in June 2025 to Iran being days away from obtaining a nuclear weapon in March 20206

显然哪里不对劲：2025 年 6 月特朗普政府的口径还是“伊朗核能力被彻底摧毁，要好几年甚至几十年才能重建”，到 2026 年 3 月就变成“伊朗离核弹只有几天”了

>>1534050

Let me use a metaphor.

让我打个比方。

Let's say we signed a lease from January 2021 to May 1st 2021.

假设我们签了一份 2021 年 1 月到 5 月 1 日的租约。

If I broke that lease, and stayed an additional 122 days without providing you any kind of compensation or recompense, you would not be happy with me. You would be more hostile. If there was a deposit you might have been happy to give it back to me if I left on May 1st, but at the end of August there would be no chance of you giving me back that deposit

如果我毁约，多住 122 天还不给你任何补偿，你不会对我客气。你会更敌视我。如果交了押金，我 5 月 1 日按时走你多半乐意退我；但拖到 8 月底，押金就别想要了

>>1534051

Blowing up Iran's nuclear program was actually Trump giving iran 100 billion dollars

炸伊朗核计划其实就是特朗普送给伊朗 1000 亿美元

Trump releasing 3.5 million epstein files was actually trump covering up the epstein files

特朗普公布 350 万份爱泼斯坦文件其实就是特朗普在掩盖爱泼斯坦文件

Trump winning the 2024 election and the popular vote was actually Trump losing the election

特朗普赢下 2024 年选举和普选票其实就是特朗普输掉了选举

>>1534053

Which is still 4 years earlier than the way they're misreading Obama's plan that they tore up.

即便如此也比他们把奥巴马的协议读错的方式早了整整 4 年。

Trump ripped up the deal and impotently wasted American military might to give Iran a nuke 4 years early, and retards are cheering him for it.

特朗普撕毁协议、白白挥霍美国军力，让伊朗提前 4 年拿到核弹，而智障们还在为他欢呼。

>>1534054

What hostilities did United States forces see from the Taliban during the withdrawal, specifically between the May and August of 2021?

撤军期间，具体说 2021 年 5 月到 8 月，美军遭到塔利班哪些敌对行动？

>>1534046

When you make it so they can HAVE a nuclear program you accelerate their nuclear program. Under Obama's deal we wouldn't have to waste resources bombing those labs because they wouldn't fucking exist.

是你让他们“能”有核计划，才加速了他们的核计划。按奥巴马的协议，我们根本不用浪费资源炸那些实验室，因为那些实验室根本不会他妈的存在。

>>1534032

>Yes.

So you're saying the Strait is open then? Really?

所以你是说海峡已经打开了？真的吗？

>We can bomb them whenever we want. We have total air supremacy.

>我们想什么时候炸就什么时候炸。我们有绝对的制空权。

So why are tankers still getting bombed?

那为什么油轮还在挨炸？

>Less leverage than a nuclear weapon.

>比核武器的筹码少。

Arguably more actually considering how nukes have mutually assured destruction whereas Iran blockading the strait strengthens their control over it.

往少了说也算更多，毕竟核弹是同归于尽，而伊朗封锁海峡反而会强化他们对海峡的控制。

>>1534035

>We just have to keep bombing them forever

>我们只能永远炸下去

Very good foreign policy anon. I'm sure this is a smart decision that will never backfire at all. It's not like they have a major trade route they can close off until we sto- oh wait.

好一个外交政策老哥。我确信这是绝不会反噬的聪明决策。反正他们又没有一条能关闭的主要贸易航线，直到我们停……哦等等。

>>1534061

>Tear up deal saying Iran can't build nukes in May 2018

>2018 年 5 月撕毁禁止伊朗造核弹的协议

>Do nothing else about it for the remaining two and a half years of your term

>任期剩下的两年半里对此什么都不做

>Iran begins developing nuclear materials

>伊朗开始发展核材料

HOW COULD OBAMA LET THIS HAPPEN!?

>>1533807

>Weeping moaing and gnashing of teeth

>哀嚎捶胸咬牙切齿

>dRUMPPPFFFffff!!!

Jeez.

>>1534066

You really got btfo here, huh?

你在这儿被 BTFO 得很惨，是吧？

>>1534066

Well, it is a weeping and a moaning and a gnashing of teeth in the congresshall, and who no have teeth will rub upon them gums, cause when time it comes to my politics, which is the champion politics, the bugle has blown for many times, and it still have one more time left, cause the amount of stripe where there upon our shoulder...

好，那国会大厅里就要哀嚎捶胸、咬牙切齿，没牙的就磨牙床，因为轮到我这冠军政治出场时，号角已经吹响过许多次，还有最后一次，因为我们肩上的条纹……

A lotta gayboy a get dust out tonight

今晚好多基佬要吃灰

A lotta Dems a gonna suffer tonight

今晚好多民主党人要遭殃

Cause this session is getting hotter

因为这一场越来越火热

And dis here congresshall is under fire

这国会大厅已经炮火连天

A lotta people going to feel good tonight

今晚好多人会爽到

So a lotta gayboy a go end up a fight

所以好多基佬要挨打

But remember to praise the champion

但记得赞美冠军

And he will guide you throughout this session

他会在这场会议里指引你

It under fire

炮火连天

A lotta soundboy running a night in tonight

今晚好多 soundboy 连夜奔走

Said a lotta dem running a night in tonight

好多民主党人连夜奔走

Cause it's your action, you must get your fraction

因果自负，你的份额你得领

In this here congresshall, we are the champion

在这国会大厅里，我们就是冠军

A lotta gayboy a go suffer tonight

今晚好多基佬要遭殃

Yes a lotta...

对，好多……

>>1534007

Have you considered Americans have already heard this for decades and don't believe it?

你有没有想过，美国人几十年前就听腻了这套，根本不信？

>>1534071

No, I'm not esl retarded enough to think Americans have been hearing a decade old plans for decades

不，我还没 ESL 智障到以为美国人听“几十年前听了几十年”的计划

But don't worry, I'm sure you can overcome your mental handicap in time.

不过别担心，我相信你迟早能克服你的智力障碍。

>>1534074

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng, watch it

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng，看好

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng, catch it

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng，接住

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng, cah

Zung-gu-zung gu-gu zung-gu-zeng，嘭

Ku-shung-peng, ku-shu-shu-shung-peng, ey

Ku-shung-peng，ku-shu-shu-shung-peng，诶

Ku-shung-peng, ku-shu-shu-shung-peng

Ku-shung-peng，ku-shu-shu-shung-peng（雷鬼拟声鼓点）

Seh, if yuh have a start, yuh must have a end-a

咧，有开始就得有结束

>>1534063

>So you're saying the Strait is open then? Really?

>所以你是说海峡已经打开了？真的吗？

Yes. USN is operating in it and shipping is at about 30%. It's definitely closed for Iran tho.

对。美国海军在里面正常运作，航运量大约恢复三成。但对伊朗来说肯定算封死了。

>So why are tankers still getting bombed

>那为什么油轮还在挨炸

Drones.

>Arguably more actually

>往少了说也算更多

>nukes have mutually assured destruction

>核弹是同归于尽

Think about what you just said. The best leverage is where they can prevent us from ever doing anything because nuclear war.

想想你刚说的话。最好的筹码，是让对方因为怕核战争而永远不敢动你。

>>1534064

It's not like these things called "pipes" exist.

好像世界上不存在一种叫“管道”的东西。

>>1534074

I mean, it has consistently been on the news off and on over here for the last thirty years... and it is centrally important that nobody on Earth be allowed to buck the US Yoke, because no other nation can be trusted to lead us forward into the future. The operative question is what, specifically, people plan to do about it.

我是说，过去三十年这事儿在这边的新闻里断断续续一直有……而且核心要义是：绝不允许地球上任何人挣脱美国的轭，因为没有别的国家值得托付、引领我们走向未来。真正的问题在于，人们具体打算怎么办。

>>1534078

Bait.

>>1534077

>Yes. USN is operating in it and shipping is at about 30%. It's definitely closed for Iran tho.

>对。美国海军在里面正常运作，航运量大约恢复三成。但对伊朗来说肯定算封死了。

More 5-10%.

大概 5-10% 吧。

>Think about what you just said. The best leverage is where they can prevent us from ever doing anything because nuclear war.

>想想你刚说的话。最好的筹码，是让对方因为怕核战争而永远不敢动你。

Let me break this down for you, retard. One side uses a nuke, they both die. One side closes a strait, now suddenly one is facing economic devastation unless they do what they say. Unless your goal is annihilation of yourself and others, being able to cut off national trade is arguably a much stronger bargaining chip.

给你拆解一下，智障。一方扔核弹，双方同归于尽。一方封锁海峡，另一方突然就得听对方的话，否则经济崩溃。除非你的目标是和所有人一起毁灭，否则能切断国家贸易的筹码，可以说强得多。

>It's not like these things called "pipes" exist.

>好像世界上不存在一种叫“管道”的东西。

Do they exist right now?

现在存在吗？

>>1534077

>The strait is open

>海峡是开的

>yeah sure we're only getting in a small fraction of what it's supposed to, but it's technically open!

>对对对，虽然通过的量只有应有的一小部分，但技术上讲是开的！

This shit is like saying "yeah I have water" when your faucet only gives you enough for a single glass per day.

这就像你家水龙头一天只够接一杯水，你却说“我有水”。

>>1534087

>More 5-10%.

>大概 5-10% 吧。

No, it's 30%.

>Let me break this down for you, retard

>给你拆解一下，智障

Let me break it down for you, retard. Iran closes the straight and America can't do anything about it because nook.

我给你拆解一下，智障。伊朗封锁海峡，美国因为怕核弹（nook）什么也做不了。

>Do they exist right now

>现在存在吗？

Yes.

>>1534088

Straight is closed for Iran. Straight is open for the USN

对伊朗是封死的。对美国海军是开的

>B... But Mearsk won't go there!

>可……可是马士基不去那儿！

What a great victory for Iran and the Global South.

伊朗和全球南方的伟大胜利啊。

>>1534090

>No, it's 30%.

The rough estimate (not using the US' complete bullshit "we're actually getting more oil through than before the war" claims) is about 3-4 million barrels per day. Compared to the average of over 20 million from before? 30% isn't even close, and that's not even accounting for the days when Iran bombs another tanker and scares everyone off.

粗略估计（不采用美方“我们通过的油比战前还多”那套扯淡说法）是每天约 300-400 万桶。对比战前每天超过 2000 万的平均量？30% 都差得远，还没算伊朗隔三差五炸油轮把所有人都吓跑的日子。

>Let me break it down for you, retard. Iran closes the straight and America can't do anything about it because nook.

>我给你拆解一下，智障。伊朗封锁海峡，美国因为怕核弹什么也做不了。

As opposed to right now, where the strait is still closed and we can't do anything about it anyways.

那也比现在强，现在海峡照样封着，我们反正什么也做不了。

>Straight is closed for Iran. Straight is open for the USN

>对伊朗是封死的。对美国海军是开的

It's open for no one retard. Sneaking through the occasional tanker means nothing when it is quite literally a drop in the bucket compared to normal traffic.

对谁都没开，智障。偶尔溜过几艘油轮毫无意义，跟正常流量比就是九牛一毛。

>>1534090

>>Do they exist right now

>>现在存在吗？

>Yes.

Wait, you're telling me we actually had an oil pipeline that lets us completely bypass the strait of hormuz right now? Well why the fuck are you keeping that info to yourself anon? That could change the whole war!

等等，你是说我们现在真有条能完全绕开霍尔木兹海峡的石油管道？那你他妈为什么憋着不告诉大家老哥？这能改变整场战争啊！

>>1534093

>is about 3-4 million barrels per day

>每天约 300-400 万桶

It's 4-6

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/energysecurity/article.php?

>opposed to right now, where the strait is still closed and we can't do anything about it anyways.

>那也比现在强，现在海峡照样封着，我们反正什么也做不了。

We're doing quite a bit right now, you know, the whole "war" thing.

我们现在干得可不少，你知道的，就是那整场“战争”。

>It's open for no one retard

>对谁都没开，智障

USN is operating freely in it. Commercial ships are transiting it. It's open, not at full capacity but not "closed". The only person's for whom it's closed is Iran.

美国海军在里面自由运作。商船也在通行。它是开的，没到满负荷，但不是“封死”。唯一被封死的是伊朗。

>>1534094

There are three pipelines that bypass the strait. You're all fired up about this shit but haven't done the basic reading. Typical.

绕开海峡的管道有三条。你为这事儿上蹿下跳，却连基础功课都没做。典型。

>>1534057

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Kabul_airport_attack

The Abbey gate bombing that killed 182 people and injured 150 people?

你是说炸死 182 人、炸伤 150 人的那起 Abbey 门爆炸？

>>1534061

So wait, Iran wasn't enriching uranium under the obama deal?

所以等等，奥巴马协议下伊朗没有在浓缩铀？

I thought the Obama deal gave them permission to use centrifuge machines and enrich uranium at nuclear facilities

我以为奥巴马协议允许他们使用离心机、在核设施浓缩铀

>>1534014

>>1534103

>Asked what hostilities US forces saw from the Taliban during the withdrawal

>被问撤军期间美军遭到塔利班哪些敌对行动

>Posts link to bombing by ISIS

>贴了个 ISIS 爆炸的链接

Brilliant

>>1534099

>It's 4-6

The average doesn't reflect the reality because it includes the ceasefire period where more was getting through. That's not the case anymore.

平均值反映不了现实，因为它包含了停火期，那时候通过量更多。现在不是了。

>We're doing quite a bit right now, you know, the whole "war" thing.

>我们现在干得可不少，你知道的，就是那整场“战争”。

The war that caused the strait to be closed in the first place? You started the war they closed the strait in response to to make them open the strait?

就是那场导致海峡被封的战争？你先开战、他们封锁海峡作为回应，然后你打仗是为了让他们重新打开海峡？

>USN is operating freely in it.

>美国海军在里面自由运作。

"operating freely" meanwhile literally last week they successfully bombed a ship we were supposed to be escorting. It bled a trail of oil anon. This is not "free operation", it's trying to sneak oil past and hoping they don't get spotted and bombed.

“自由运作”，可就在上周，他们成功炸中了一艘本来应该由我们护航的船。船拖着一条油迹漂，老哥。这不叫“自由运作”，这是偷偷摸摸运油、赌别被看见挨炸。

>There are three pipelines that bypass the strait. You're all fired up about this shit but haven't done the basic reading. Typical.

>绕开海峡的管道有三条。你为这事儿上蹿下跳，却连基础功课都没做。典型。

Then why the fuck are gas prices still spiked to shit? The same amount of oil goes through those pipelines that did before the war. Existing pipelines are meaningless because they aren't contributing to replacing what goes through the strait.

那为什么油价还他妈飙成屎？管道里过的油和战前一样多。现有管道毫无意义，因为它们根本补不上海峡里本该通过的那部分。

>>1534105

>I thought the Obama deal gave them permission to use centrifuge machines and enrich uranium at nuclear facilities

>我以为奥巴马协议允许他们使用离心机、在核设施浓缩铀

Not at the levels needed for nuclear weapons.

达不到核武器需要的水平。

>>1534106

Is this the part where you say ISIS-K is the real threat and start rehabilitating the The Taliban and Al Qaeda?

接下来是不是该说 ISIS-K 才是真威胁，然后开始给塔利班和基地组织洗白了？

Really 182 people died and 150 people were injured because of Joe Biden's disastrous withdrawal policy. If you want to know the hostility of the Taliban, it was targeted against the Afghan National Security Forces, which were backed by the United States.

真的，182 人死亡、150 人受伤，都是乔·拜登灾难性撤军政策的结果。要说塔利班的敌意，那是针对美国支持的阿富汗国家安全部队的。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taliban_offensive

The Taliban began their offensive against US backed forces on May 1st 2021, coinciding with the withdrawal of the United States's 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, and those belonging to other international allies.

塔利班于 2021 年 5 月 1 日开始进攻美国支持的部队，恰逢美国 2500 名驻阿美军及其他国际盟友部队撤离。

>>1534109

I thought you said the labs wouldn't exist, now you're saying the labs would exist but they wouldn't produce enough for nuclear weapons, that's moving the goal posts

你刚说那些实验室不会存在，现在又说实验室会存在只是造不出核武器级别的量，这是移动球门柱

>>1534112

>I'm a retarded ESL shill who can't tell the difference between a nuclear enrichment program for nuclear power and bombs

>我就是个智障 ESL 狗托，分不清核电用的浓缩计划和核弹

we know

我们懂

>>1534111

The accusation was Biden pushing back the deadline radically altered the circumstances of the withdrawal agreement made with the Taliban by the Trump administration in 2020

那个指控是：拜登推迟最后期限，彻底改变了特朗普政府 2020 年与塔利班达成的撤军协议的条件

>>1534048

The anon was asked to articulate how the delay altered the outcome

那位老哥被要求讲清楚拖延如何改变了结果

>>1534050

The anon didn't actually respond and went with a metaphor implying the Taliban was angry about the delay

那位老哥没正面回答，而是打了个暗示塔利班因拖延而愤怒的比方

>>1534054

The anon was asked to point out hostilities US forces faced from the Taliban as a result of the delay in withdrawal

那位老哥被要求指出撤军拖延导致美军遭到塔利班的哪些敌对行动

>>1534057

You posted a link about a suicide bombing perpetrated by ISIS, sidestepping the question, got called out, and are now posting an article about the Taliban overwhelming the Karzai government, as though that wasn't going to happen the second America withdrew no matter when it happened (after 5000 Taliban troops were released in September 2020 as part of the Trump agreement), and trying to argue that proves... something.

你贴了个 ISIS 自杀爆炸的链接来回避问题，被拆穿后，现在又贴一篇塔利班击垮卡尔扎伊政府的文章，仿佛不管什么时候撤军（毕竟 2020 年 9 月作为特朗普协议的一部分，5000 名塔利班战俘被释放了），美国一撤这事都会发生——还试图论证这证明了……什么。

>>1534112

No it isn't retard. This is like saying a nuclear reactor is actually a nuke production plant. They're different labs that require different forms and levels of refinement.

不，不是这样，智障。这就像说核反应堆其实就是核弹工厂。那是不同的实验室，需要不同的形式和不同程度的精炼。

>>1534114

Surprisingly enough though, you're the moron here for expecting ESL shill to actually argue

不过出人意料的是，蠢的反而是你——居然指望 ESL 狗托真的跟你辩论

All they do is lie, strawman, and post links disproving their points.

他们只会撒谎、歪曲，然后贴出反驳自己观点的链接。

>>1534116

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

一场奇怪的游戏。唯一的赢法就是不下场。

>>1533953

Proof? Certainly it's more creditable than trump saying he has a deal for the 30th time.

证据？肯定比特朗普第 30 次声称“有协议了”可信。

>>1534108

>The war that caused the strait to be closed in the first place? You started the war they closed the strait in response to to make them open the strait?

>就是那场导致海峡被封的战争？你先开战、他们封锁海峡作为回应，然后你打仗是为了让他们重新打开海峡？

You asked what we were doing. I told you.

你问我们在干什么，我告诉你了。

>This is not "free operation", it's trying to sneak oil past and hoping they don't get spotted and bombed.

>这是偷偷摸摸运油、赌别被看见挨炸。

USN is feely operating in the strait. They just had unarmed minesweeps clearing it. Cope.

美国海军在海峡自由运作。他们刚用无武装扫雷艇清理过。自我安慰去吧。

>Existing pipelines are meaningless because they aren't contributing to replacing what goes through the strait.

>现有管道毫无意义，因为它们根本补不上海峡里本该通过的那部分。

Yeah. It's going to take time to build them.

对。修管道需要时间。

>>1534112

>>1534115

No, dipshits, the same lab that makes commerical grade uranium can produce weapons grade uranium. The Obama deal required them to use those labs to reduce the potentcy of the uranium they had to a certain level. Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.

不对，蠢货们，生产商用级铀的实验室就能产武器级铀。奥巴马协议要求他们用那些实验室把库存铀的浓度降到某个水平。协议一到期，他们就能用同样的实验室把浓度再提回武器级。

Doesn't matter anymore, because we bombed the fuck out those labs and killed everyone who knows how to enrich uranium.

无所谓了，反正我们把那些实验室炸了个稀烂，还把所有知道怎么浓缩铀的人都炸死了。

>>1534127

>Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.

>协议一到期，他们就能用同样的实验室把浓度再提回武器级。

So the better alternative was to tear up the deal, let them spin back up to weapons grade for years, bomb the labs and declare their nuclear program has been obliterated and will take years to recover, then come back eight months later and start a war that disrupts the global energy market for six months because they were just days from having a bomb?

所以更好的方案是：撕毁协议、放任他们提浓到武器级好几年，然后炸掉实验室、宣称他们的核计划被彻底摧毁要好几年才能恢复，八个月后再回来开一场搅乱全球能源市场六个月的战争，理由是他们离核弹只剩几天？

>>1534127

>Yeah. It's going to take time to build them.

>对。修管道需要时间。

So you don't have a solution

所以你没有解决方案

>USN is feely operating in the strait. They just had unarmed minesweeps clearing it. Cope.

>美国海军在海峡自由运作。他们刚用无武装扫雷艇清理过。自我安慰去吧。

"Freely operating" would not mean having to do annual minesweeping and ships still getting bombed fuckwit.

“自由运作”可不意味着年年得扫雷、船还在挨炸，蠢货。

>>1534127

>Once the deal expired they could use those labs to spin them back up to weapons grade.

>协议一到期，他们就能用同样的实验室把浓度再提回武器级。

So instead of them having to wait until 2030 to do that, Trump tore up the deal, allowing them to do that immediately and forcing constant direct US intervention via bombings to keep their nuclear program in check? By your logic Trump is even more retarded.

所以与其让他们等到 2030 年再那么干，特朗普撕毁协议，让他们立刻就能干，还逼得美国靠不断轰炸来压制他们的核计划？按你的逻辑，特朗普更智障。

> killed everyone who knows how to enrich uranium.

>把所有知道怎么浓缩铀的人都炸死了。

Evidently fucking not considering we said that last year then used "THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD A NUKE!" as justification for bombs this year. It's also retarded to think you can bomb information, especially scientific processes, to death.

显然他妈的没有——我们去年就这么说，今年又拿“他们马上要造核弹了！”当轰炸的理由。而且以为信息、尤其是科学方法能被炸死，这也太智障了。

>>1534133

>So you don't have a solution

>所以你没有解决方案

Why would you say that in response to the solution being specifically stated?

人家明明白白说了方案，你为什么回一句“所以你没有解决方案”？

>"Freely operating" would not mean having to do annual minesweeping and ships still getting bombed fuckwit

>“自由运作”可不意味着年年得扫雷、船还在挨炸，蠢货

It's been swept of mines, and no USN ships have been bombed.

水雷已经扫清了，美国海军也没有船被炸。

>>1534134

No, because under the old deal they had sanctions lifted which allows them to generate capital to buy conventional weapons. Ending the old deal put sanctions back in place and kept them out of the weapons market.

不，因为旧协议下制裁被解除，让他们能积累资本购买常规武器。撕毁旧协议恢复了制裁，把他们挡在武器市场外。

>Evidently fucking not considering we said that last year then used "THEY'RE ABOUT TO BUILD A NUKE!" as justification for bombs this year

>显然他妈的没有——我们去年就这么说，今年又拿“他们马上要造核弹了！”当轰炸的理由

Evidently so because I'm talking about this year not last year.

显然有，因为我说的是今年，不是去年。

>It's also retarded to think you can bomb information, especially scientific processes, to death.

>以为信息、尤其是科学方法能被炸死，这也太智障了。

We're not bombing "information" were bombing the craniums which contain the information. Should that information find it's way into any Iranian craniums at any point in the future, we will obliterate those craniums.

我们炸的不是“信息”，是装着信息的大脑壳。将来任何时候只要那信息进了任何伊朗人的大脑壳，我们就把那些大脑壳炸掉。

>>1534138

>Ending the old deal put sanctions back in place and kept them out of the weapons market.

>撕毁旧协议恢复了制裁，把他们挡在武器市场外。

Is that so

是吗

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-get-chinese-shoulder-launched-missile-systems-weeks-sources-say-2026-07-29/

https://archive.is/20260902032836/https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russia-shipping-explosives-iran-bolster-missile-drone-arsenal-us-war-rcna592892

>>1534141

Yes, China doesn't listen to our sanctions.

对，中国才不理我们的制裁。

>>1534138

your "solution" is just repeating a grifting billionaire's lies while he continues to profit off the deaths and mutilation of regular people

你的“方案”就是复读一个敛财亿万富翁的谎言，而他还在从普通人的死亡和伤残中继续赚钱

>>1534138

>Evidently so because I'm talking about this year not last year.

>显然有，因为我说的是今年，不是去年。

Here's Trump and company repeatedly claiming we had to bomb Iran because they were about to build a nuke this year.

这里是特朗普一伙反复声称“必须炸伊朗，因为他们今年就要造出核弹”。

>https://www.npr.org/2026/03/04/nx-s1-5734331/trump-claims-there-would-have-been-a-nuclear-war-if-u-s-didnt-strike-iran-first

>https://thehill.com/homenews/5791371-heggeth-trump-iran-nuclear-threat/

>https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2026/02/vp-vance-says-us-sees-evidence-iran-trying-rebuild-nuclear-weapon

And here is them last year claiming Iran's nuclear program was set back decades.

这里是他们去年声称“伊朗核计划被拖慢了几十年”。

>https://www.legion.org/information-center/news/security/2025/june/trump-says-iran-strikes-set-nuclear-program-back-decades-praises-nato-spending-push

>https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441241/trump-iran-airstrikes-pentagon-news-conference

>>1534138

>We're not bombing "information" were bombing the craniums which contain the information. Should that information find it's way into any Iranian craniums at any point in the future, we will obliterate those craniums.

>我们炸的不是“信息”，是装着信息的大脑壳。将来任何时候只要那信息进了任何伊朗人的大脑壳，我们就把那些大脑壳炸掉。

Yeah so basically we just have to keep bombing them forever. Very good logic here buddy, very reliable long term solution.

对，所以基本上我们只能永远炸下去。好逻辑，伙计，非常可靠的长远方案。

>>1534138

>Why would you say that in response to the solution being specifically stated?

>人家明明白白说了方案，你为什么回一句“所以你没有解决方案”？

>Sir my house doesn't have water

>先生，我家没水

>Don't worry, we might build a well in four years

>别担心，我们也许四年内会打口井

>But I need water now-

>可我现在就要水——

>I gave you a solution, why do you keep complaining?

>我不是给你方案了吗，你怎么还在抱怨？

Also

>It's been swept of mines, and no USN ships have been bombed.

>水雷已经扫清了，美国海军也没有船被炸。

Maybe not any navy ships recently, but they did bomb at least two tankers trying to go through under US permission like two days ago.

海军舰艇最近也许没挨炸，但就在两天前，至少两艘经美国许可通行的油轮被炸了。

>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2zxgg4mx9o

>>1534145

Both things can be true. The last round of strikes were against a specific target the latest are systemic.

两件事可以同时为真。上一轮打击针对特定目标，最新这轮是系统性打击。

>>1534146

What can we do when we are faced by such unreasonable people?

面对这么不讲理的人，我们能怎么办？

>>1534147

We are building pipelines. Present tense.

我们正在修管道。现在进行时。

>>1534149

seriously though, what do you get out of sucking so much billionaire dick? is it just the love of the game

说真的，你这么猛舔亿万富翁图什么？纯粹热爱这项运动吗

>>1534149

>Both things can be true. The last round of strikes were against a specific target the latest are systemic.

>两件事可以同时为真。上一轮打击针对特定目标，最新这轮是系统性打击。

Actually no you fucking idiot. Either we did set their entire nuclear program back decades, we didn't and those rounds of bombings weren't anywhere near as effective as we bragged, or they're just fucking lying. There is no "both can be true" because the statements of "We set their nuke progress back decades" and "They were about to make a nuke" are contradictory.

不，你这个该死的白痴。要么我们确实把他们的整个核计划拖慢了几十年；要么没有、那些轰炸远没有我们吹的那么有效；要么他们就是在撒谎。不存在“两者都为真”，因为“我们把他们的核进展拖慢了几十年”和“他们马上要造出核弹”这两句话是矛盾的。

>What can we do when we are faced by such unreasonable people?

>面对这么不讲理的人，我们能怎么办？

Well it's not like we can literally get them to agree to a deal- oh wait. We did and then Trump tore it up.

嗯，我们又不是没法让他们签个协议——哦等等。签了，然后特朗普撕了。

>Inb4: "But it would've run out in 2030!"

>抢先说：“可是协议 2030 年就到期了！”

Then we could've done the same thing you suggested then and given ourselves 10 more years of not spending billions bombing Iran. Even by your own logic backing out of the deal was retarded.

到时候我们完全可以照你现在的说法再办一次，给自己再争取 10 年不用花几十亿炸伊朗。就算按你自己的逻辑，退出协议也是智障行为。

Trump is eventually going to either lead the US into economic ruin or cave and surrender to Iran. And when he does I guarantee you he will shift to bragging about how ended an expensive war and opened the strait like an arsonist firefighter taking credit for putting out a fire they fucking started.

特朗普最终要么把美国拖进经济废墟，要么认怂向伊朗投降。而等他真的那么做了，我保证他会改口吹嘘自己结束了昂贵的战争、打开了海峡——就像纵火犯消防员，灭火的火是他自己放的，功劳倒要领。

>>1534142

>The sanctions kept them out of the weapons market

>制裁把他们挡在武器市场外

>Except with two of the largest weapons manufacturing economies in the world

>除了面对世界上两个最大的武器制造经济体

Huh

>>1534152

>Either we did set their entire nuclear program back decades

>要么我们确实把他们的整个核计划拖慢了几十年

We did by destroying their stockpile of enriched uranium.

做到了，靠摧毁他们的浓缩铀库存。

> we didn't

>要么没有

We did. We just didn't destroy their entire ability to enrich more urnaium.

做到了。只是没有摧毁他们继续浓缩更多铀的全部能力。

>can literally get them to agree to a deal-

>签个协议——

Of course they will agree to a deal where they get everything they want and can still build nukes.

他们当然会签一个他们得到一切、还能继续造核弹的协议。

>given ourselves 10 more years of not spending billions bombing Iran

>给自己再争取 10 年不用花几十亿炸伊朗

Who says they would agree? Ten years to build up their military they may have actually been in a position to do serious damage.

谁说他们会签？十年建军时间，他们说不定真能有实力造成重创了。

>Trump is eventually going to either lead the US into economic ruin

>特朗普最终要么把美国拖进经济废墟

Bait

>or cave and surrender to Iran.

>要么认怂向伊朗投降。

More bait.

又是鱼饵。

Problem here is you're so obsessed with Trump it taints your ability to think about things.

问题在于你对特朗普执念太深，毒化了你的思考能力。

>>1534153

They can't buy from Russia or China if they don't have money. Under the Obama deal they could trade freely and this generate the capital they need to buy toys from Russia and China.

没钱他们买不了俄国货和中国货。奥巴马协议下他们能自由贸易，从而攒下从俄国和中国买玩具所需的资本。

>>1534155

Which they're still currently buying, as shown in the links post

他们现在不也还在买吗，前面贴的链接里写着呢

>>1534154

>We did by destroying their stockpile of enriched uranium.

>做到了，靠摧毁他们的浓缩铀库存。

>We did. We just didn't destroy their entire ability to enrich more urnaium.

>做到了。只是没有摧毁他们继续浓缩更多铀的全部能力。

So no actually, we fucking didn't. If you destroy a stockpile and they basically immediately got more, that means that if your goal was to stop them from having it you didn't do shit.

所以不，我们他妈的根本没做到。如果你摧毁了库存而他们几乎立刻又搞到了更多，那说明如果你的目标是让他们没有库存，那你屁都没干成。

>Who says they would agree? Ten years to build up their military they may have actually been in a position to do serious damage.

>谁说他们会签？十年建军时间，他们说不定真能有实力造成重创了。

Who tore up the fucking treaty anon? Because it sure as fuck wasn't Iran.

是谁他妈撕了协议，老哥？反正绝对不是伊朗。

>Bait

Gas costs more every day and we're on the verge of a separate economic crisis from the AI bubble. Tick tock.

油价一天比一天贵，而 AI 泡沫引发的另一场经济危机已在门口。等着瞧吧。

>Problem here is you're so obsessed with Trump it taints your ability to think about things.

>问题在于你对特朗普执念太深，毒化了你的思考能力。

You're so obsessed with sucking his cock you can't recognize one of the worst US foreign policy and conflict blunders in its entire history. Sometimes the person everyone calls an idiot really is a fucking idiot.

你是舔他舔得太投入，看不出来这是美国外交与冲突史上最烂的失误之一。有时候被大家喊白痴的人，真的就是个该死的白痴。

>>1534156

>They could buy MORE

>他们能买更多

Goddamit dude do I have to fucking spell everything out for you?

我操，哥们，什么事都得我给你拼到字母级吗？

>>1534157

>If you destroy a stockpile and they basically immediately got more, that means that if your goal was to stop them from having it you didn't do shit.

>如果你摧毁了库存而他们几乎立刻又搞到了更多，那说明如果你的目标是让他们没有库存，那你屁都没干成。

Wat? Who says they immediately got more?

啥？谁说他们立刻又搞到了？

>Who tore up the fucking treaty anon? Because it sure as fuck wasn't Iran.

>是谁他妈撕了协议，老哥？反正绝对不是伊朗。

Who says they would renew?

谁说他们会续签？

>Gas costs more every day and we're on the verge of a separate economic crisis from the AI bubble. Tick tock

>油价一天比一天贵，而 AI 泡沫引发的另一场经济危机已在门口。等着瞧吧

Bait.

>You're so obsessed with sucking his cock you can't recognize one of the worst US foreign policy and conflict blunders in its entire history

>你是舔他舔得太投入，看不出来这是美国外交与冲突史上最烂的失误之一

I'm not. Trump is meh. He does some cool shit. He does some retarded shit. I'm just looking at the facts and America is winning this conflict pretty decisively for very little cost.

我没有。特朗普还行吧。干了些酷的事，也干了些智障的事。我只是看事实：这场冲突美国正以极小的代价相当干净利落地赢。

>>1534158

>We had to tear up the deal so they couldn't purchase weapons for a war which happened as a direct result of tearing up the deal

>我们必须撕毁协议，免得他们为一场战争买武器——而那场战争正是撕毁协议的直接后果

>Weapons which they are still purchasing

>而那些武器他们现在还在买

>But if we didn't tear up the deal, they would have been able to purchase more weapons for the war that happened because we tore up the deal

>可要是我们没撕协议，他们就能为那场“因为我们撕了协议才发生的战争”买到更多武器

Fascinating

>>1533807

Ahahahahaha! What a joke!

啊哈哈哈哈！真是个笑话！

>>1534160

>Wat? Who says they immediately got more?

>啥？谁说他们立刻又搞到了？

The fact that they then apparently got more uranium we had to bomb them to stop from enriching, again.

事实是：后来他们显然又搞到了铀，逼得我们为了阻止他们浓缩又炸了一次。

>Who says they would renew?

>谁说他们会续签？

Who says they wouldn't, anon? And in that case, Trump basically cut our two decade break of having to spend billions bombing them every year short by a decade.

谁说他们不会续呢，老哥？而且真不续的话，特朗普等于把我们“每十年才需要花几十亿炸一次伊朗”的间隔缩短了十年。

>I'm not. Trump is meh. He does some cool shit. He does some retarded shit. I'm just looking at the facts and America is winning this conflict pretty decisively for very little cost.

>我没有。特朗普还行吧。干了些酷的事，也干了些智障的事。我只是看事实：这场冲突美国正以极小的代价相当干净利落地赢。

>very little cost

>极小的代价

Funny because I see a very big cost every time I go to a fucking gas station.

有意思，因为我每次去他妈的加油站都看到一个非常大的代价。

Can you trump supporters go back to fucking each other's children and stop fucking our country

你们特朗普支持者能不能回去互相搞对方的孩子，别再搞我们的国家

>>1534376

I think you have to blame the voters for this one

这事儿我觉得得怪选民

For some reason after 4 years of Joe Biden they decided a Republican in the white house would be better

出于某种原因，乔·拜登干了 4 年之后，他们觉得白宫里放个共和党人会更好

>>1534379

>It's your fault I did this retarded thing

>都怪你，我才干了这种智障事

The party of personal responsibility

“个人责任党”

>>1534388

You lost the popular vote.

普选票是你们输了。

>>1534388

You would rather blame me then ask the difficult question of why voters rejected Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton for president, and chose Donald Twice over the first female president

你宁愿怪我，也不愿问那个难受的问题：选民为什么拒绝卡玛拉·哈里斯和希拉里·克林顿当总统，两次选唐纳德而不是第一位女总统

>>1534391

>>1534400

3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump

投给希拉里·克林顿的人比投给唐纳德·特朗普的多 300 万

>>1534407

Now do Harris v Trump

来，接着算哈里斯对特朗普

>>1534407

Those were votes by illegals who got registered to vote through left wing policies like California's Motor Voter

那些是非法移民投的票，通过加州“机动车选民登记”之类的左翼政策注册的

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/california-motor-voter/frequently-asked-questions

>>1534413

>>1534417

>Muh popular vote

>又是普选票

>Muh will of the people

>又是人民的意志

>Wait no Hillary doesn't count

>等等，希拉里那次不算

Kek

>>1534407

>>1534418

The voters rejected Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton for president, and chose Donald Twice over the first female president.

选民拒绝了卡玛拉·哈里斯和希拉里·克林顿当总统，两次选唐纳德而不是第一位女总统。

She lost the electoral contest.

她输掉了选举人团竞争。

Another million voters in California or New York doesn't show that the voters accepted her, that's not how the system works. In 2022 the LA Dodgers led the majors with 847 runs scored and a historic +334 run differential, finishing with 111 wins. That doesn't mean they won the World Series. Because it's not the raw number of runs that counts, it is their distribution over a series of games. Like in America the pure number of votes doesn't matter, it is their distribution over a series of states. Which is why in 2016 Donald Trump had 304 electoral votes and why Hillary Clinton had 227 electoral votes

加州或纽约再多一百万选民，并不能说明选民接受了她，这个制度不是这么运作的。2022 年洛杉矶道奇队以 847 分和创纪录的 +334 净胜分领跑全联盟，拿下 111 胜。那不等于他们赢了世界大赛。因为起作用的不是总得分数，而是分数在一系列比赛中的分布。美国也一样：纯粹的票数不代表什么，起作用的是票在一系列州中的分布。所以 2016 年唐纳德·特朗普拿到 304 张选举人票，而希拉里·克林顿拿到 227 张

>>1534422

Thanks grok

谢谢 Grok

>Bring up the popular vote

>提起普选票

"Hillary Clinton won the popular vote"

“希拉里·克林顿赢了普选票”

>The popular vote doesn't matter

>普选票不算数

Weekend shit on a dead board. Bottom of the barrel shilling going on here.

周末在死版上拉屎。这是最下三滥的水军活。

>>1534426

>Weekend shit on a dead board. Bottom of the barrel shilling going on here.

>周末在死版上拉屎。这是最下三滥的水军活。

"First time?"

“第一次？”

>>1534418

What happened with Trump v Harris?

特朗普对哈里斯那次怎么回事？

>>1534430

The literal richest man in the world intervening and later bragging about how he knew who would win months in advance?

世界首富亲自下场干预，事后还吹嘘自己几个月前就知道谁会赢？

>>1534426

Why do you bring up Hillary Clinton though? You could bring up Kamala Harris, or Joe Biden

你为什么提希拉里·克林顿？你也可以提卡玛拉·哈里斯，或者乔·拜登

>>1534435

So you went from blaming Russia hacking the election to blaming Starlink hacking the election?

所以你从怪俄国黑选举，改成怪星链黑选举了？

And presumably said 2020 was the most secure election in history?

顺便你大概还说过 2020 是史上最安全的选举？

>>1534441

No, thats just the strawman you created because you're a retarded esl shill.

不，那只是你自己立的稻草人，谁叫你是个智障 ESL 狗托。

What else did the imaginary anon say?

那个想象出来的老哥还说了什么？

>>1534441

>NOOOOOOO ONLY WE GET TO WHINE AND SQUEAL ABOUT FRAUD WHEN WE LOSE (AND WHEN WE WIN), YOU DON'T GET TO ASK QUESTIONS NOOOOOOOOO

>>1534435

To be fair, Harris was a shit candidate and after the fiasco of the Biden presidency, I don't think Dems even had a chance.

讲道理，哈里斯是个烂候选人，拜登任期一地鸡毛之后，我觉得民主党压根没机会。

Everyone assumed it would happen. Now faith in the media is at all time lows thanks to them tricking millions into voting for a shit president.

所有人都以为会赢。现在对媒体的信任跌到历史低点，全拜他们骗了几百万人投给一个烂总统所赐。

>>1534584

To be fair, Harris laid out a plan to elevate the middle class with tax cuts to small business owners, first time parents and first time home buyers. She did this in the same debate where she baited him into whining about his crowd sizes and got him so irritated he started raving about how he saw immigrants eating pets on TV. Biden was a decent president that navigated us through covid such that our economy was the envy of the world.

讲道理，哈里斯提出过提振中产的计划：给小企业主、初次生育的父母和首次购房者减税。她是在同一场辩论里干这事的——那场辩论她故意引着特朗普哭诉自己的集会人数，把他气得当众胡说他从电视上看到移民吃宠物。拜登是个体面的总统，带着我们熬过新冠，让美国经济成了全世界羡慕的对象。

To be fair, you stupid faggots turned down an establishment dem that would have given us the status quo for a pant-shitting retard that dismantled the US security umbrella and the petrodollar and made China the hegemon of the world.

讲道理，你们这些蠢基佬放着能维持现状的建制派民主党人不选，选了个拉裤裆的智障，这人拆了美国的安全保护伞和石油美元，还把中国捧成了世界霸主。

To be fair, you should be killed in the street. That'd be real fair if you would just fucking die.

讲道理，你该在大街上被处决。你要是肯他妈的死，那才叫真公平。

So many demtard libshart tears

好多民主脑残自由泪

its fucking glorious

他妈的太壮观了

can't wait for midterms. they will get btfo again by a landslide and finally commit mass suicide

等不及中期选举了。他们又要被压倒性完爆，最后集体自杀

I have the popcorn ready

爆米花已备好

Trump's failure in two months.

特朗普两个月内的溃败。

It'll be fucking glorious.

会他妈的很壮观。

the migger tears from the likes of 1534742 will fuel everyone else's schadenfreude.

1534742 之流的 MAGA 泪水，会给大家的幸灾乐祸添柴。

Can't wait for the midterms, the likes of 1534742 will be btfo - as per elections since late 2025 - by the Midterm Massacre of the Republitards and Trumptards by the Democrats and migger cultists will commit mass suicide.

等不及中期选举了，1534742 之流会像 2025 年底以来的每场选举一样被完爆——民主党将带来“中期屠杀”，共和智障和特朗普智障溃败，MAGA 教徒集体自杀。

I have the popcorn & beer ready.

爆米花和啤酒已备好。

>>1534792

I remember you making similar predictions about how in November of 2016 and 2024 we would be welcoming our first female president-elect, and how delicious the republican tears would be when it was finally her turn, the mass suicide of women hating republicans facing down a female POTUS

我记得你 2016 年 11 月和 2024 年 11 月也做过类似的预言：我们会迎来第一位女总统当选人，等“轮到她了”，共和党人的眼泪会有多美味，仇女的共和党人面对女总统会集体自杀

You didn't end up snacking on beer & popcorn those years did you?

那几年你没就着啤酒爆米花吃爽吧？

>a woman as mayor of the part of Florida which includes Mar-a-Lago

>海湖庄园所在的那片佛州选出了女市长

>Trump voted by mail-in-ballot in an election where a Democrat mayor was elected

>特朗普在一场民主党人当选市长的选举里用邮寄选票投了票

can't wait for the midterms after elections since late 2025. 1534811 will be wishing they weren't happening.

等不及 2025 年底以来场场选举之后的中期选举了。1534811 会希望自己根本没这回事。