Trump's Pentagon Is Shilling Again

Pentagon secretly installs military influencers in civilian roles

五角大楼秘密安插军事网红担任文职

Conservative veterans with large social media followings have been hired by the Defense Department and are amplifying Pete Hegseth’s culture-war fights.

拥有大量社交媒体粉丝的保守派退伍军人被国防部录用，正在为皮特·赫格塞斯(Pete Hegseth)的文化战争摇旗呐喊。

6 minutes ago.

6分钟前。

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/08/30/pentagon-secretly-installs-military-influencers-civilian-roles/

By Dan Lamothe and Tara Copp

作者：丹·拉莫特(Dan Lamothe)和塔拉·科普(Tara Copp)

The Pentagon has secretly installed several conservative military veterans with large online followings in government roles, declining to disclose their assignments as they amplify Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s viewpoints and attack those who scrutinize the Trump administration, according to people familiar with the matter and corroborating material.

据知情人士及佐证材料，五角大楼已秘密让多名拥有庞大网络粉丝群的保守派退伍军人进入政府岗位，且不公开其职务安排；他们一边放大国防部长皮特·赫格塞斯的观点，一边攻击那些盯梢川普政府的人。

At least some of the influencers have been assigned to civilian roles that could lead to changes in policy, the people familiar with the matter said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

知情人士称，至少部分网红被安排在能左右政策变化的文职岗位上。与其他人一样，他们因话题敏感而要求匿名。

Neither the Pentagon nor those involved have disclosed the government roles despite the Trump administration’s claims that they are running the most transparent Defense Department ever.

尽管川普政府自称在运作“史上最透明的国防部”，五角大楼和相关人员都没有公开这些政府职务。

Those involved include Rob Maness, a retired Air Force colonel, and Kurt Schlichter, a retired Army colonel, people familiar with the matter said. Pentagon records reviewed by The Washington Post show that both have active official government email addresses as of this past week and are assigned to the office of Anthony Tata, the undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness. The email addresses include a “.civ” suffix, meaning they are labeled as civilian employees, rather than as military personnel or contractors.

知情人士称，相关人物包括退役空军上校罗布·马内斯(Rob Maness)和退役陆军上校库尔特·施利克特(Kurt Schlichter)。华盛顿邮报查阅的五角大楼记录显示，截至上周，两人都还持有正式的政府电子邮箱，并被安排在负责人事与战备的副部长安东尼·塔塔(Anthony Tata)的办公室。邮箱后缀带“.civ”，意味着他们被登记为文职雇员，而非军职人员或承包商。

Both served for decades in uniform and, since retiring, have turned from the military to conservative commentary. Maness has more than 135,000 followers on X, while Schlicter has nearly 620,000.

两人在军中服役了几十年，退役后从军界转向保守派评论。马内斯在X上有超过13.5万粉丝，施利克特接近62万。

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>>1533149

Another retired Army colonel and influencer, Thomas Anderson, was listed in Pentagon records earlier this year with a “.civ” email address and assigned to Tata’s office, according to people familiar with the matter and records reviewed by The Post. An attorney, he writes online under the pen name Cynical Publius and has more than 323,000 followers on X. He was no longer listed in Pentagon records late this past week, the people familiar with the issue said.

另一位退役陆军上校兼网红托马斯·安德森(Thomas Anderson)，今年年初也出现在五角大楼记录中，持“.civ”邮箱并被安排在塔塔的办公室——知情人士和邮报查阅的记录显示。他是律师，网上以“Cynical Publius”为笔名写作，X粉丝超过32.3万。知情人士称，上周晚些时候，他的名字已从五角大楼记录中消失。

The assignments for all three have not previously been reported. Questions have been raised online about influencers’ connections with the Pentagon, including in an article last week by the Bulwark.

三人的职务此前从未被报道过。网红与五角大楼的关系此前已在网上引发疑问，包括The Bulwark网站上周的一篇文章。

Pentagon spokesman Joel Valdez declined to comment to The Post about whether any of the three are drawing a taxpayer-funded salary, what roles they have or how long those jobs are expected to last. Tata did not respond to a request for comment.

五角大楼发言人乔尔·瓦尔德斯(Joel Valdez)拒绝向邮报置评：这三人是否在领纳税人工资、担任什么职务、这些工作预计持续多久。塔塔未回应置评请求。

Maness and Schlichter did not respond to emails or other messages requesting comment. Anderson declined to comment in a short phone call.

马内斯和施利克特对邮件及其他置评请求均未回应。安德森在简短电话中拒绝置评。

The individuals are assigned as either “special government employees” or “highly qualified experts,” people familiar with the issue said. Schlicter appears in a government database with an “HQE” designation after his name, according to material reviewed by The Post.

知情人士称，这些人的身份要么是“特聘政府雇员”(SGE)，要么是“高资历专家”(HQE)。邮报查阅的材料显示，施利克特在政府数据库中，姓名后带有“HQE”标注。

SGEs are limited by law to working no more than 130 days in any 365-day period. Those with HQE status can work full- or part-time, with or without compensation, according to government guidance on the issue released in 2023. It was not clear what financial agreements were reached with Maness, Schlicter and Anderson, and when each of their assignments began.

法律规定，SGE在任意365天周期内工作不得超过130天。据2023年发布的政府指引，HQE可全职或兼职工作，可以有偿也可以无偿。尚不清楚与马内斯、施利克特和安德森达成了什么报酬安排，以及各自的职务何时开始。

Tata’s team has taken on a number of culture-war issues, including scrutinizing war colleges for “woke” ideology and reviewing how the Biden administration adopted covid vaccine mandates for U.S. troops.

塔塔的团队操办了不少文化战争议题，包括审查各战争学院是否存在“觉醒”意识形态，以及复盘拜登政府对美军推行新冠疫苗强制令的做法。

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/maga-influencer-outed-as-a-pentagon-employee-in-bizarre-turn-after-botching-scoop-state-dept-spox-gave-her/

MAGA Influencer Outed as a Pentagon Employee in Bizarre Turn After Botching ‘Scoop’ State Dept. Spox Gave Her

MAGA网红搞砸了国务院发言人亲自送上的“独家”猛料，随后反被扒出是五角大楼雇员，剧情离奇

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Aug 25th, 2026, 11:57 am

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FILE – The Department of Defense seal is seen on the podium in the Press Briefing room at the Pentagon, Oct. 29, 2024, in Washington. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf, File)

资料图——2024年10月29日，华盛顿五角大楼新闻简报室讲台上的国防部徽章。(美联社照片/Kevin Wolf，档案)

Jennica Pounds, who is more well-known as MAGA influencer DataRepublican on social media, was outed as a special government employee of the Department of Defense Monday. Pounds’s Pentagon employment came to light after a bizarre incident in which she claimed she was being “set up” by the deep state — but it was revealed she merely botched a “scoop” she was being handed by a State Department official.

在社媒上更广为人知的身份是 MAGA 网红 DataRepublican 的 Jennica Pounds，周一被曝是国防部特别政府雇员。Pounds 受雇五角大楼一事曝光，源于一起离奇事件：她声称自己被「深层政府」陷害——结果被揭只是搞砸了国务院官员递给她的「独家爆料」。

Up until June, Pounds was a member of the credentialed Pentagon press corps. She had not disclosed her new gig with the Pentagon.

到 6 月为止，Pounds 是持证五角大楼记者团成员。她没有披露自己与五角大楼的新职务。

The story began to blow open on Friday, Aug. 21, when the X account for the far-right outlet AF Post wrote, “Jennica Pounds, aka Data Republican, a Department of War employee, alleges that Undersecretary of State Sarah Rogers is attempting to ‘entrap’ Pounds by providing her with information to ‘leak’ under the guise of offering her a ‘scoop.'”

事情在 8 月 21 日周五开始炸开：极右媒体 AF Post 的 X 账号写道：「战争部雇员、aka Data Republican 的 Jennica Pounds 指控副国务卿 Sarah Rogers 试图『设局』她：以提供『独家爆料』为名，给她信息让她『泄露』。」

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Per AF Post, Pounds also believed the “Deep State” — or Rogers — was “trying to set her up to commit a crime, in this case claiming Rogers is trying to entice her to leak sensitive information.”

据 AF Post，Pounds 还相信「深层政府」——或者说 Rogers——在「设局让她犯罪，具体说指控 Rogers 试图诱使她泄露敏感信息」。

“It’s not okay when the Deep State sets you up to commit a crime,” Pounds wrote in a now-deleted thread. “I have never been more angry in my life.”

「深层政府设局让你犯罪，这不对，」Pounds 在现已删除的帖串里写道。「我这辈子从没这么愤怒过。」

>>1533149

Just the fascists taking over the military. Nothing to worry about. Why are we still pretending like the midterms are going to do a damn thing?

法西斯接管军队而已，没什么好担心的。咱们为什么还在装中期选举能顶什么用？

>b-but they're stupid!

>可、可是他们很蠢啊！

Yes. Doesn't matter. Stupid can still kill you.

是很蠢。无所谓。蠢也能要人命。

>>1533152

>Stupid can still kill you.

>蠢也能要人命。

they're planning on poisoning their troops with budget testosterone treatment and the anti vaccine plan is killing the troops, so we'll see how it goes

他们正计划用预算里的睾酮疗法给自家士兵下毒，反疫苗计划也正在搞死士兵，走着瞧吧

>>1533153

Oh don't forget keeping troops in a carrier with no resupply for half a year longer than they were supposed to be at sea. Those troops are literally trying to kill themselves morale is so dogshit.

哦，别忘了还有让士兵待在一艘没有补给的航母上，比原定海上时间多拖了半年。士气烂成那样，那些士兵真的在尝试自杀。

>>1533154

the weak ones kill themselves. we don't need weak sailors.

弱者会自杀。我们不需要弱水手。

>>1533155

>we

esl shill...

ESL水军……

>>1533155

>We don't need no weaklings in our army!

>我们军队里不需要软蛋！

>What do you mean we're running out of recruits

>你说啥，我们招不到兵了？

So the republican far right fascists fire the actual military press at stars and stripes for refusing to run their propaganda and they immediately start installing propagandists to push their agenda and to cover up their latest failed war against Iran.

所以共和党极右法西斯把《星条旗报》(Stars and Stripes)里拒绝刊登他们宣传的真实军事记者全炒了，然后立马开始安插宣传员，来推进他们的议程、掩盖他们最新一场对伊朗的失败战争。

>>1533160

Ceuta is rightful Morrocan clay.

休达(Ceuta)自古就是摩洛哥神圣领土。

>>1533161

Genuinely what if this results in a mutiny on the Lincoln? How would they spin that?

认真问：如果这事最后闹出林肯号哗变怎么办？他们会怎么圆？

>>1533167

oh nvm they're on their way back finally. Still, interesting thought experiment; how would they handle it if they had mutinied over the horrible conditions?

哦没事了，他们终于往回开了。不过这个思想实验还是有意思：要是士兵们因为那恶劣的条件哗变了，他们会怎么处理？

>>1533167

That's not going to happen. Get real.

那不可能发生。醒醒吧。

>>1533161

>So the republican far right fascists fire the actual military press at stars and stripes for refusing to run their propaganda

>所以共和党极右法西斯把《星条旗报》里拒绝刊登他们宣传的真实军事记者全炒了

They were fired because they effectively told their bosses (who pay them) to go fuck themselves. When an employee is insubordinate, you fire them. If a Federal employee told Biden or Obama to fuck off, they too should (and would) get fired.

他们被炒，是因为他们等于对老板（发工资的人）说了句“滚你的”。员工不服管，当然要炒。要是有联邦雇员让拜登或奥巴马滚蛋，他们同样该（而且也一定会）被炒。

>>1533176

And what were their bosses telling them to do anon? To not do their fucking jobs by reporting on the dissatisfaction from the people on the Lincoln?

那老哥，他们的老板当时在让他们干什么？让他们别干自己他妈的工作、别报道林肯号舰员的不满？

>>1533188

Two separate issues.

两码事。

First, they said

首先，他们说

>I'm working for Stars and Stripes, not for the Pentagon, not for any administration, not for any policymaker. I'm here to cover the military community

>我为《星条旗报》工作，不为五角大楼，不为任何一届政府，不为任何政策制定者。我在这里报道的是军队群体

Problem is, they literally work for the Pentagon. 100% a fileable offence.

问题是，他们名义上就是为五角大楼工作的。百分百够得上解雇的事由。

>To not do their fucking jobs by reporting on the dissatisfaction from the people on the Lincoln?

>让他们别干自己他妈的工作、别报道林肯号舰员的不满？

Yes. Running articles on the moral of military units in the middle of an armed conflict is not a good thing. ABC is free to do so, because they are the Press. Stars and Stripes is not the fucking press, they are an arm of the Pentagon.

对。武装冲突期间跑去报道部队士气，不是什么好事。ABC爱报随便报，因为他们是媒体。《星条旗报》根本他妈不是媒体，它是五角大楼的一支臂膀。

>>1533194

god you're esl. and have no morals

天哪，你英语真烂，还毫无道德底线

>>1533196

God, you have absolutely no argument at all.

天哪，你压根就没有任何论点。

>>1533203

learn to spell and maybe i'll take your argument seriously esl shill

先学会拼字，我也许会认真对待你的论点，非母语狗托

>>1533194

>Running articles on the moral of military units in the middle of an armed conflict is not a good thing.

>武装冲突期间跑去报道部队士气，不是什么好事。

Neither is pretending your troops are happy and healthy when they're literally at such low morale some of them are suicidal. Surprisingly troops aren't going to be happy when the genuine issues on the front line are fucking censored and they're left in the shit.

假装部队个个开心健康也没好到哪去，实际上他们士气低落到有些人想自杀。有意思吧，当前线真正的问题被他妈捂住、士兵被扔进烂摊子里的时候，他们是高兴不起来的。

>Problem is, they literally work for the Pentagon. 100% a fileable offence.

>问题是，他们名义上就是为五角大楼工作的。百分百够得上解雇的事由。

>Stars and Stripes is not the fucking press, they are an arm of the Pentagon.

>《星条旗报》根本他妈不是媒体，它是五角大楼的一支臂膀。

And here is where you're fucking wrong. Per their own disclaimer page on their own site:

你他妈就错在这。按他们自己网站免责声明页的原文：

>Stars and Stripes is authorized for publication by the Department of Defense for members of the military community. However, the contents of Stars and Stripes are unofficial, and are not to be considered as the official views of, or endorsed by, the U.S. Government, including the Department of Defense or the military services. As a DoD newspaper, Stars and Stripes may be distributed through official channels and use appropriated funds for distribution to remote and isolated locations where overseas DoD personnel are located.

>《星条旗报》经国防部授权，面向军队群体发行。但《星条旗报》的内容属非官方性质，不应被视为美国官方观点，也不代表包括国防部或各军种在内的美国政府的背书。作为国防部报纸，《星条旗报》可通过官方渠道发行，并可使用拨款经费，向海外国防部人员所在的偏远和孤立地区分发。（原文译文）

They're supposed to be independent.

按说他们应该是独立的。

>>1533206

>Neither is pretending your troops are happy and healthy when they're literally at such low morale some of them are suicidal.

>假装部队个个开心健康也没好到哪去，实际上他们士气低落到有些人想自杀。

Suicides on carriers are fairly routine. Go ahead and look up the suicide rate for 18-30 year old's and then factor for there being 5000 of them. Its about 1.

航母上出自杀本来就是常事。你去查一下18-30岁人群的自杀率，再按5000人一算。差不多就是1起。

>Surprisingly troops aren't going to be happy when the genuine issues on the front line are fucking censored and they're left in the shit.

>当前线真正的问题被他妈捂住、士兵被扔进烂摊子里的时候，他们是高兴不起来的。

Advertising moral issues in the middle of a conflict is generally considered to be a BAD thing.

冲突期间张扬部队的士气问题，一般被认为是坏事。

>but they are SAD

>可是他们好难哦

Most people in conflicts are pretty fucking sad about it.

打仗的人对战争都他妈难着呢。

>They're supposed to be independent.

>按说他们应该是独立的。

Nope. They are paid for and answer to the Pentagon. What you just posted is a disclaimer so that the Pentagon can cover its ass if someone posts something retarded.

不。他们由五角大楼出钱、向五角大楼负责。你刚贴的那段只是免责声明，免得有人发了什么弱智东西时五角大楼兜不住。

>>1533194

>Problem is, they literally work for the Pentagon. 100% a fileable offence.

>问题是，他们名义上就是为五角大楼工作的。百分百够得上解雇的事由。

They don't. They get funding from the Pentagon but are SUPPOSED to have complete editorial freedom as part of that funding.

不是这样的。他们的经费来自五角大楼，但按约定本应拥有完整的编辑独立权。

>https://www.stripes.com/about-us/

>"Stars and Stripes is editorially independent of interference from outside its own editorial chain-of-command."

>“《星条旗报》在编辑上独立于其自身编辑指挥链之外的任何干涉。”

>>1533211

Go ahead and cite the LAW that says that. I dont really care what THEY say, I want you to cite where in either the Congressional appropriation or in the law generally it says they are "independent"

行，那你引一条这么说的法律。他们自己说什么我不在乎，我要你引出国会拨款案或任何法律里写明他们“独立”的条款。

>>1533213

Motherfucker, they've got a statement from the paper itself saying they're independent. You have nothing. These anons don't need more evidence, you do.

哥们，人家有报纸本身的声明说他们独立。你什么都没有。这些老哥不需要更多证据，需要证据的是你。

>>1533211

>>1533213

FYI

32 C.F.R. § 246.4(e)(1) set out the only circumstances in which non-public information could be ordered withheld

32 C.F.R. § 246.4(e)(1)列出了可以下令扣发非公开信息的唯一几种情形（法规原文）

>§ 246.4(e)(1)(ii) — publication “would adversely affect national security”;

>§ 246.4(e)(1)(ii) —— 发表“会损害国家安全”；

>§ 246.4(e)(1)(iii) — publication “clearly endangers the lives of U.S. personnel.”

>§ 246.4(e)(1)(iii) —— 发表“明显危及美国人员生命”。

I would say articles about how a carriers crew (the only carrier on station) are fucking exhausted and need to get rotated out falls under 246.4(e)(1)(ii).

要我说，报道一艘航母（还是战区唯一一艘在值）的舰员累坏了、需要轮换，正好落在246.4(e)(1)(ii)的范围里。

However, thats besides the point. The people who got fired say its because of the Carrier story. DoD says they got fired because of what they said in the podcast. Personally, I'm fine with either reason.

不过这跑题了。被炒的人说，是因为航母那篇报道。国防部说，是因为他们在播客里的言论。我个人觉得哪个理由都行。

>>1533210

>Advertising moral issues in the middle of a conflict is generally considered to be a BAD thing.

>冲突期间张扬部队的士气问题，一般被认为是坏事。

Then fucking address the moral issues instead of censoring reporting on it. The time to do this was before things got so bad the sailors on the Lincoln were writing to their families begging for help because things had gotten to the point it was unsustainable.

那就去他妈解决士气问题，而不是审查相关报道。该做这事的时间点，是趁局面还没恶化到林肯号水手写信向家里乞求救援、事情已经难以为继之前。

>Most people in conflicts are pretty fucking sad about it.

>打仗的人对战争都他妈难着呢。

>Suicides on carriers are fairly routine

>航母上出自杀本来就是常事

Literally nothing about the Lincoln's treatment was "routine". It literally now holds the record for the longest a US battleship has spent deployed at sea without a port call. You cannot keep people at sea that long with no resupply and expect them to keep up morale. It's a prime sign of the DOD under Trump and Hegseth having no fucking long term planning and not giving a single shit about the people serving under them.

林肯号受到的待遇没有任何一点是“常事”。它现在实打实创下了美国战舰海上部署期间不靠港的最长纪录。你不可能把人在海上泡那么久、还不补给，还指望他们士气高涨。这恰恰说明川普和赫格塞斯领导下的国防部毫无他妈的长期规划，对底下服役的人毫不在乎。

>They are paid for and answer to the Pentagon. What you just posted is a disclaimer so that the Pentagon can cover its ass if someone posts something retarded.

>他们由五角大楼出钱、向五角大楼负责。你刚贴的那段只是免责声明，免得有人发了什么弱智东西时五角大楼兜不住。

They're not supposed to answer to the Pentagon; historically they have complete editorial freedom because they're supposed to represent the troops. They've operated under that for almost a century until suddenly the Trump admin started inserting themselves into it and forcibly firing anyone critical of them even if that critique is coming from the troops themselves.

他们本来就不该向五角大楼负责；历史上他们拥有完整的编辑独立权，因为他们代表的是士兵。这个惯例运转了近一个世纪，直到川普政府突然插手，强行开除一切批评他们的人——哪怕批评来自士兵自己。

>>1533216

As I have previously said, I dont really care what the paper thinks. I care only about the law, and because I knew you were going to be a lazy faggot, I've already done it >>1533217

正如我之前说的，报纸自己怎么想我不在乎。我只在乎法律，而且我知道你肯定会当个懒逼基佬，所以我已经替你查好了 >>1533217

>>1533217

>I would say articles about how a carriers crew (the only carrier on station) are fucking exhausted and need to get rotated out falls under 246.4(e)(1)(ii).

>要我说，报道一艘航母（还是战区唯一一艘在值）的舰员累坏了、需要轮换，正好落在246.4(e)(1)(ii)的范围里。

How the fuck does it threaten US troops lives to say they're exhausted because they've been out at sea for almost a full year without a proper port stop? If anything the enemy was aware of that long before we were back at home. It isn't a massive leap of logic to see a battleship has been out at sea for over 200 days and go "yeah they're probably running out of supplies".

说部队出海快一整年都没正经靠过港、累坏了，这他妈怎么就威胁美军生命了？敌人早在我们国内知道之前就清楚这事了。看到一艘军舰在海上漂了200多天，就推一句“他们补给大概见底了”，这逻辑跨度并不大。

More over, you know what did put US troops at risk? Leaving them out at sea for 200+ days with dwindling supplies with no plan.

再说了，你知道真正把美军置于险境的是什么吗？是让他们在海上漂200多天、补给见底、毫无计划。

>>1533220

>trump shill proclaims to only care about the law

>川普狗托宣布只在乎法律

LOL

>>1533217

>>1533220

>32 C.F.R. § 246.4(e)(1) set out the only circumstances in which non-public information could be ordered withheld

>32 C.F.R. § 246.4(e)(1)列出了可以下令扣发非公开信息的唯一几种情形

This was public information though; their families spoke about the conditions their loved ones were suffering publicly. And it was obviously public knowledge that the Lincoln was out there for over 200 days.

可这本来就是公开信息；他们的家人公开谈过亲人在那边受的罪。林肯号在外漂了200多天，也是人尽皆知的事。

>>1533224

>How the fuck does it threaten US troops lives

>这他妈怎么就威胁美军生命了

>>§ 246.4(e)(1)(ii) — publication “would adversely affect national security”;

>>§ 246.4(e)(1)(ii) —— 发表“会损害国家安全”；

Is the section of code I thought applicable.

这是我认为适用的那一条。

>Leaving them out at sea for 200+ days with dwindling supplies with no plan.

>是让让他们在海上漂200多天、补给见底、毫无计划。

They were routinely resupplied, including like three days before the "no food" stories broke. Which is why I'm more than happy to see some lying journos get sacked for this shit.

他们一直有正常补给，包括“没饭吃”的报道爆出来前大约三天。所以看到撒谎的记者因此被开除，我高兴还来不及。

>>1533219

>Then fucking address the moral issues instead of censoring reporting on it.

>那就去他妈解决士气问题，而不是审查相关报道。

First, moral issues were overstated and most were provably untrue. Its a ship of 5000+ people, amplifying the stories of a few unhappy people (who are always there no matter the deployment) is not representative of anything.

首先，士气问题被夸大了，大部分可证伪。那是一艘5000多人的船，放大少数闹情绪的人（不管哪次部署都有）的故事，代表不了任何事。

>It literally now holds the record for the longest a US battleship has spent deployed at sea without a port call

>它现在实打实创下了美国战舰海上部署期间不靠港的最长纪录

No it doesn't. The USS Stout holds that record with 212 days. And carrier deployments of this length are rare but not unusual. USS Dwight D. Eisenhower did 206 days in 2020, Gerald R. Ford did 326 days with one port-call, and Midway (in the 1970's) did 332 days with two port-calls.

才没有。“斯托特”号(USS Stout)以212天保持着这个纪录。这种长度的航母部署罕见，但并不稀奇。“艾森豪威尔”号2020年在海上待了206天，“福特”号326天只靠港一次，“中途岛”号（上世纪70年代）332天靠港两次。

See, this is the problem. Irresponsible reporting. Its fine if some civvie journo who isnt closely in touch with the military writes a dumbass article, but the standard for Stars and Stripes needs to be higher.

看，这就是问题所在。不负责任的报道。普通民间记者离军队远点，写出蠢文章无所谓，但《星条旗报》的标准必须更高。

>>1533228

no new wars, eh

不打新战争，是吧

>>1533227

>their families spoke about the conditions their loved ones were suffering publicly

>他们的家人公开谈过亲人在那边受的罪

The horrible conditions of doing the jobs they enlisted to do?

你说的是他们入伍时签下要干的活儿那点“苦难”？

>ohhh but it was 200+ days without a port-call!

>哦哦可是200多天没靠港！

Average grunt in Iraq or Afghanistan did 365 days in A-stan or Iraq and there were no fun little ports to fuck hookers in. Suck it up, buttercup.

在伊拉克或阿富汗的平均大兵待了365天，可没有什么能找妓女快活的小港。忍着吧，小宝贝。

>>1533228

>They were routinely resupplied, including like three days before the "no food" stories broke. Which is why I'm more than happy to see some lying journos get sacked for this shit.

>他们一直有正常补给，包括“没饭吃”的报道爆出来前大约三天。所以看到撒谎的记者因此被开除，我高兴还来不及。

Source?

>First, moral issues were overstated and most were provably untrue.

>首先，士气问题被夸大了，大部分可证伪。

So then what was the harm with reporting it?

那报道出来到底有什么害处？

>No it doesn't. The USS Stout holds that record with 212 days

>才没有。“斯托特”号(USS Stout)以212天保持着这个纪录

The USS Lincoln has been without a port call for 250 days retard. Get with the times.

林肯号已经250天没靠港了，弱智。更新一下你的信息。

>Gerald R. Ford did 326 days with one port-call, and Midway (in the 1970's) did 332 days with two port-calls.

>“福特”号326天只靠港一次，“中途岛”号（上世纪70年代）332天靠港两次。

Completely irrelevant.

完全不相关。

>See, this is the problem. Irresponsible reporting. Its fine if some civvie journo who isnt closely in touch with the military writes a dumbass article, but the standard for Stars and Stripes needs to be higher.

>看，这就是问题所在。不负责任的报道。普通民间记者离军队远点，写出蠢文章无所谓，但《星条旗报》的标准必须更高。

Says the overconfident brainlet who doesn't even know how long the Lincoln has been deployed for.

这话出自一个连林肯号部署了多久都不知道、却自信满满的弱智之口。

>>1533229

Yeah, I never liked his anti-war stance. I'm happy he has chosen a more traditional path in that regard.

是啊，我从没喜欢过他的反战立场。他在这事上选了条更传统的路，我很满意。

>>1533230

>Average grunt in Iraq or Afghanistan did 365 days in A-stan or Iraq and there were no fun little ports to fuck hookers in. Suck it up, buttercup.

>在伊拉克或阿富汗的平均大兵待了365天，可没有什么能找妓女快活的小港。忍着吧，小宝贝。

Yeah so you fundamentally don't realize the difference between being stationed on land and being stationed at sea. Here's a fun one: those 356 days actually had regular deliveries of fresh food and cleaning supplies.

是吧，所以你根本不明白陆地驻扎和海上驻扎的区别。给你个好玩的：那365天里，人家是有定期的新鲜食物和清洁用品补给的。

>>1533232

>Source?

The internet.

互联网。

>So then what was the harm with reporting it?

>那报道出来到底有什么害处？

You're asking the harm of this kind of reporting when we're in a conflict and high-level high-stakes negotiations?

我们正处在冲突之中、正在进行高层高风险谈判，你问这种报道有什么害处？

>>Gerald R. Ford did 326 days with one port-call, and Midway (in the 1970's) did 332 days with two port-calls.

>>“福特”号326天只靠港一次，“中途岛”号（上世纪70年代）332天靠港两次。

how is the example of other carriers doing the same thing not relevant?

其他航母也干过同样的事，这个例子怎么就不相关了？

>Says the overconfident brainlet who doesn't even know how long the Lincoln has been deployed for.

>这话出自一个连林肯号部署了多久都不知道、却自信满满的弱智之口。

Does it make a difference?

这有区别吗？

>>1533233

so trump is a neocon but worse? interesting

所以川普是个更烂的新保守派？有意思

>>1533235

>Here's a fun one: those 356 days actually had regular deliveries of fresh food and cleaning supplies.

>给你个好玩的：那365天里，人家是有定期的新鲜食物和清洁用品补给的。

LOL

Homie thinks the grunts in COP Fuckface Helmand Province were getting regular food and clean clothes. LMAO.

这哥们以为赫尔曼德省“搓脸”前哨(COP Fuckface Helmand Province)的大兵能定期吃上新鲜饭、换干净衣服。笑死。

Ironically, the guys on the carrier all got fresh food, warm showers, and clean clothes.

讽刺的是，航母上的人吃的全是新鲜食物、洗的是热水澡、穿的是干净衣服。

>>1533237

>so trump is a neocon

>所以川普是个新保守派

Nope. He's not "nation building"

不。他没在搞“国家建设”。

>but worse

>但更烂

but butter.

但有黄油。（butter/butter 的谐音胡扯梗）

>>1533236

>The internet.

>互联网。

So you don't have one.

所以你拿不出证据。

>You're asking the harm of this kind of reporting when we're in a conflict and high-level high-stakes negotiations?

>我们正处在冲突之中、正在进行高层高风险谈判，你问这种报道有什么害处？

If it isn't true what's the problem? The enemy is gonna think we're weaker than we actually are?

如果报道不属实，那有什么问题？敌人会觉得我们比实际更弱？

>how is the example of other carriers doing the same thing not relevant?

>其他航母也干过同样的事，这个例子怎么就不相关了？

Allow me to point out there is a very harsh difference between a guy surviving 10 days without eating and a guy surviving 15 days while eating twice, brainlet.

允许我指出，10天没吃饭能活下来，和15天里只吃两顿能活下来，差别可太大了，弱智。

>Does it make a difference?

>这有区别吗？

It proves you're talking out of your ass since figuring out the Lincoln now holds the record would've taken you five seconds to look up.

这证明你在胡说八道，因为查一下林肯号现在是不是纪录保持者，只需五秒钟。

>>1533241

don't remind me of trump's butt butter, your posts are nauseating enough

别跟我提川普的屁股黄油，你的帖子已经够恶心人了

>>1533239

>Homie thinks the grunts in COP Fuckface Helmand Province were getting regular food and clean clothes. LMAO.

>这哥们以为赫尔曼德省“搓脸”前哨的大兵能定期吃上新鲜饭、换干净衣服。笑死。

Are you the anon who keeps larping about having been in afghanistan? You do realize troops on the ground get infinitely more supplies than troops in the middle of the fucking ocean right?

你是不是那个一直装腔说自己待过阿富汗的老哥？你不会真以为地面部队的补给，能比大洋正中间的部队多出无数倍吧？

>>1533243

>So you don't have one.

>所以你拿不出证据。

You dont know how to use google? Or chatgpt? The word you can use as a prompt is "RAS", you know what a RAS is right?

你不会用谷歌？还是ChatGPT？拿“RAS”当关键词搜就行，你知道RAS（海上横向补给）是什么吧？

>The enemy is gonna think we're weaker than we actually are?

>敌人会觉得我们比实际更弱？

Yes. They have already said their goal is to outlast the admin. If we now have stories about how there are moral issues, they will be emboldened. I understand you dislike Trump, but sometimes you need to set that aside and think about whats good for America.

对。他们已经说了，目标就是熬过这届政府。要是现在到处是士气问题的报道，他们只会更来劲。我知道你讨厌川普，但有时候你得把这事放一放，想想什么对美国有利。

>guy surviving 10 days without eating

>10天没吃饭能活下来

Carrier had food. See, this the is problem I was talking about. This is literally the problem with the reporting.

航母上有饭。看，这就是我说的问题。这就是那篇报道的问题所在。

>It proves you're talking out of your ass since figuring out the Lincoln now holds the record would've taken you five seconds to look up.

>这证明你在胡说八道，因为查一下林肯号现在是不是纪录保持者，只需五秒钟。

So, those carriers also didn't do 200+ days at sea?

所以，那些航母也没在海上待过200多天？

>>1533249

yes, he's the anon who tries to force his failed meme, and the one who always wishes rape upon entire families. he's a loser

对，他就是那个硬要推销自己那个失败梗的老哥，还有那个总诅咒别人全家被强奸的。他就是个废物。

>>1533246

Yet again, I have been cuckolded by autocorrect.

我又一次被自动更正绿了。

>>1533249

> You do realize troops on the ground get infinitely more supplies than troops in the middle of the fucking ocean right?

> 你不会真以为地面部队的补给，能比大洋正中间的部队多出无数倍吧？

Insane statement. Absolutely INSANE statement.

疯了。这句话疯到家了。

>>1533233

>I'm happy he fucking lied

>他他妈撒谎了我好开心

That explains a lot.

这就说得通了。

>>1533230

>The horrible conditions of doing the jobs they enlisted to do?

>你说的是他们入伍时签下要干的活儿那点“苦难”？

It's not supposed to be this horrible you fucking idiot.

就不该这么苦，你他妈的白痴。

>>1533252

Nope. Whomever it is taking up rent-free occupancy in your mind, its not me.

不是。不管盘踞在你脑子里收房租的是谁，反正不是我。

>>1533255

just own it, esl shill. we all know who you are

就承认吧，非母语狗托。我们都知道你是谁

>>1533254

>>I'm happy he fucking lied

>>他他妈撒谎了我好开心

He didnt.

他没撒。

>It's not supposed to be this horrible you fucking idiot.

>就不该这么苦，你他妈的白痴。

They aren't and weren't.

事实是不苦，也从来没苦过。

>>1533257

I've never been in the military, so no you don't know who I am. LMAO.

我从没当过兵，所以你根本不知道我是谁。笑死。

>>1533250

>You dont know how to use google? Or chatgpt? The word you can use as a prompt is "RAS", you know what a RAS is right?

>你不会用谷歌？还是ChatGPT？拿“RAS”当关键词搜就行，你知道RAS是什么吧？

I look up if the Lincoln got resupplies and the answer was "No, because the closest resupply spot got blown up by Iran".

我去查了林肯号有没有补过给，答案是“没有，因为最近的补给点被伊朗炸了”。

>Yes. They have already said their goal is to outlast the admin. If we now have stories about how there are moral issues, they will be emboldened

>对。他们早就说过目标是耗过这届政府。要是现在又冒出讲士气问题的报道，他们只会更有恃无恐

So it's bad they're emboldened off of false information? Do you think if we kept pretending the Lincoln was hunky dory they would've just surrendered? This is retarded; Iran absolutely would've known about the supply issue before the story broke because they could see the ship was sitting in the ocean for months. Hence why they kept bragging about trying to attack it even though those stories never got substantiated.

所以基于假消息他们更有恃无恐就是坏事？你觉得要是我们继续假装林肯号一切安好，他们就会乖乖投降？这也太智障了；伊朗绝对比报道曝光更早知道补给问题，因为他们眼睁睁看着这船在海上泡了好几个月。所以才一直吹嘘要打它，尽管那些说法从没被证实过。

>I understand you dislike Trump, but sometimes you need to set that aside and think about whats good for America.

>我理解你讨厌特朗普，但有时候你得放下这一点，想想什么对美国好。

What's good for America is leaving this retarded war that's driving up gas prices (and by extension the prices of everything else) and admitting it was a fucking mistake to start it in the first place.

对美国好的做法就是退出这场把油价（连带所有物价）推高的智障战争，并承认一开始开战就是个天大的错误。

>Carrier had food. See, this the is problem I was talking about. This is literally the problem with the reporting.

>航母有吃的。看，这就是我说的问题。这就是报道的问题所在。

And now you're strawmanning.

现在你又来歪曲我的话了。

>So, those carriers also didn't do 200+ days at sea?

>所以，那些航母也没在海上待过 200 多天？

Again, record holder. 250 days.

再说一遍，那是纪录保持者。250 天。

>>1533258

>trump didn't lie

>特朗普没撒谎

LOL

>During and between his terms as president of the United States, Donald Trump has made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. Fact-checkers at The Washington Post documented 30,573 false or misleading claims during his first presidential term, an average of 21 per day

>在担任美国总统期间及两届任期之间，唐纳德·特朗普做出了数以万计的虚假或误导性言论。《华盛顿邮报》的事实核查员记录了其第一任期内 30573 条虚假或误导性言论，平均每天 21 条

>>1533230

>The horrible conditions of doing the jobs they enlisted to do?

>你说的是他们入伍时签下要干的活儿那点“苦难”？

Yeah please keep up this "suck it up buttercup, here in the military we just have terrible morale and supply lines" schtick. It's not like failure of morale and supply lines have been a deciding factor in every conflict in human history.

行，请继续这套“忍着点小宝贝，军队嘛，士气烂、补给断很正常”的把戏。好像士气和补给线的崩溃从来不是人类历史上每一场战争的决定性因素似的。

>>1533261

>THE HEKKIN FACT CHECKERS

No one cares.

没人关心。

>>1533260

> "No, because the closest resupply spot got blown up by Iran".

>“没有，因为最近的补给点被伊朗炸了”。

Ah, so you're one of them global-south turdie shills? Lincoln got a RAS on June 3 from the USNS Arctic and another on June 15 from USNS Cesar Chavez both of which brought on fresh food. The stories about "conditions" broke on July 9. It had literally just been stocked up.

啊，原来你是那些全球南方印度佬水军之一？林肯号 6 月 3 日接受了 USNS Arctic 的海上补给(RAS)，6 月 15 日又接受了 USNS Cesar Chavez 的补给，两次都运上了新鲜食物。关于“状况”的报道 7 月 9 日才爆出来。它压根刚刚补完给。

>Do you think if we kept pretending the Lincoln was hunky dory they would've just surrendered?

>你觉得要是我们继续假装林肯号一切安好，他们就会乖乖投降？

No one was pretending it was hunky dory. We're short a carrier at the moment so Ford (at sea for 236 days) got replaced by Bush and there is no one to replace Lincoln. We couldnt withdraw it because that would weaken our defensive profile. Its war. Shit happens.

没人假装一切安好。我们现在缺一艘航母，福特号（已出海 236 天）由布什号接替，而林肯号无人可换。我们没法把它撤回来，因为那会削弱我们的防御态势。这是战争。倒霉事总会发生。

>What's good for America is leaving this retarded war

>对美国好的做法就是退出这场智障战争

No, I think we'll continue the bombing and embargo of Iran indefinitely.

不，我觉得我们会无限期地继续轰炸和封锁伊朗。

>Again, record holder. 250 days.

>再说一遍，那是纪录保持者。250 天。

But other carries also routinely have long deployments, right?

但其他航母不也经常有长期部署吗？

>>1533262

The fact that this mindset is even a little bit present in our military is proof positive of how far we've fallen. Logistics, motherfucker, do you speak it? If not then get out, this is what wins wars.

我们军队里哪怕只要有一点这种心态，就足以证明我们堕落得有多深。后勤，老兄，你会说“后勤”吗？不会就滚吧，打赢战争靠的就是这个。

>>1533262

>we just have terrible morale

>我们就是士气很差

We dont.

我们并不。

> supply lines

>补给线

We dont

我们并不

Hence why the Pentagon got so mad about the stories. They are largely untrue. Like, you can straight up google all the times Lincoln got resupplied. It got resupplied right before the stories broke and its not even the first time there has been fake news about conditions in the military in this conflict either.

这就是五角大楼被这些报道气疯的原因。它们基本不实。随便谷歌一下林肯号补给过几次就知道了。报道爆出来之前它刚补完给，而且这场冲突里关于军队状况的假新闻也不是头一回了。

>>1533266

>Logistics, motherfucker, do you speak it?

>后勤，老兄，你会说“后勤”吗？

We do. The problem here is that you're taking the stories as true. The facts paint a different picture.

我们有。问题在于你把那些报道当真了。事实描绘的是另一幅图景。

>June 3: RAS with USNS Arctic (T-AOE-8), including transfer of supplies

>6 月 3 日：与 USNS Arctic (T-AOE-8) 进行海上补给(RAS)，含物资转运

>June 7/8: fueling-at-sea with USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187).

>6 月 7/8 日：与 USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187) 海上加油。

>June 15: RAS with USNS Cesar Chavez (T-AKE-14), including helicopter vertical replenishment and supplies moved aboard.

>6 月 15 日：与 USNS Cesar Chavez (T-AKE-14) 进行海上补给(RAS)，含直升机垂直补给、物资上舰。

>June 28: fueling-at-sea with USNS John Lewis (T-AO-205).

>6 月 28 日：与 USNS John Lewis (T-AO-205) 海上加油。

>August 16, 2026 — RAS with USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187).

>2026 年 8 月 16 日——与 USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187) 进行海上补给(RAS)。

>>1533267

maybe if you lie 100 more times you won't be made fun of constantly

再撒 100 次谎，说不定就不会被大家嘲个不停了

>>1533267

>It got resupplied right before the stories broke and its not even the first time there has been fake news about conditions in the military in this conflict either.

>报道爆出来之前它刚补完给，而且这场冲突里关于军队状况的假新闻也不是头一回了。

You guys keep saying this and keep not posting anything supporting the claim.

你们一直这么说，却一直拿不出任何支撑这个说法的东西。

>>1533266

and just to add to this >>1533268 on how obscenely good the US .mil's logistics are the USCG (the fleet fucking up Iran) has 10 supply ships shuttling supplies from logistics hubs to it.

顺便补充一下 >>1533268，美军后勤好到离谱：海岸警卫队（正在揍伊朗的那支舰队）有 10 艘补给船往返后勤枢纽与舰队之间送物资。

And the SCALE of the resupplies is in sane - one ship USNS Kanawha (T-AO-196) has done 41 RAS's in two months transferring 3.4 million gallons of jet fuel, 2,304 pallets of cargo and 167 pallets of aviation cargo.

而且补给的规模吓死人——光是 USNS Kanawha (T-AO-196) 一艘船两个月就干了 41 次海上补给，转运了 340 万加仑航空燃油、2304 个货物托盘和 167 个航空货物托盘。

the problem is that everyone on the left is so desperate to GET TRUMP they just slandered the entire US military over some shit that is provably false.

问题是左派个个急于扳倒特朗普，为了一些明摆着是假的东西，把整个美军都给抹黑了。

>>1533273

>You guys keep saying this and keep not posting anything supporting the claim.

>你们一直这么说，却一直拿不出任何支撑这个说法的东西。

whats this?

这是什么？

>Lincoln got a RAS on June 3 from the USNS Arctic and another on June 15 from USNS Cesar Chavez

>林肯号 6 月 3 日接受了 USNS Arctic 的海上补给，6 月 15 日又接受了 USNS Cesar Chavez 的补给

Oh, you want links because you're a lazy faggot? Okay here's pictures.

哦，你要链接就因为你是个懒得动的懒基佬？行，给你图。

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/9725639/abraham-lincoln-conducts-replenishment-sea-with-usns-arctic?

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/9756908/abraham-lincoln-conducts-replenishment-sea-with-usns-cesar-chavez?

>>1533274

remember when those bases weren't exploded in the pointless war trump started though? and why did hegseth try to cover it up?

还记得特朗普发动的这场毫无意义的战争里那些基地还没被炸的时候吗？还有赫格塞斯为什么想掩盖？

>>1533265

>Lincoln got a RAS on June 3 from the USNS Arctic and another on June 15 from USNS Cesar Chavez both of which brought on fresh food.

>林肯号 6 月 3 日接受了 USNS Arctic 的海上补给，6 月 15 日又接受了 USNS Cesar Chavez 的补给，两次都运上了新鲜食物。

You gonna back this up with a source or nah?

你打算拿个信源来证明，还是就这么算了？

> We couldnt withdraw it because that would weaken our defensive profile. Its war. Shit happens.

>我们没法把它撤回来，因为那会削弱我们的防御态势。这是战争。倒霉事总会发生。

Funny because we are doing so now. And it's not exactly like the Lincoln was doing much where it was either other than making a defensive profile of a navy we've apparently destroyed 10 times over.

巧了，我们现在就在撤。而且林肯号待在那儿也没干什么，除了摆出一副海军防御架势——这支海军我们显然已经摧毁了十遍。

>No, I think we'll continue the bombing and embargo of Iran indefinitely.

>不，我觉得我们会无限期地继续轰炸和封锁伊朗。

Yeah good luck with that as our oil reserves keep fucking dwindling. Turns out when you build a world that requires 100% of usual oil flow, then cut off 20-25% of that flow, you start running a deficit.

祝你好运，我们的石油储备都快见底了。事实是：你建了一个依赖 100% 常规石油流量的世界，然后砍掉其中 20-25% 的流量，你就开始出现赤字了。

>But other carries also routinely have long deployments, right?

>但其他航母不也经常有长期部署吗？

Not this long retard. And you really think the other 200+ day deployments were doing so hot by that point either?

没这么长的，智障。而且你真觉得其他那些 200 多天的部署到那个阶段状态能好到哪去？

>>1533276

Rembert when Iran had a navy and airforce and biggest ballistic missile arsenal and industry in the region? And a nuclear program? And an Ayatollah? And an oil industry? and food?

还记得伊朗曾经有海军、空军、地区最强的弹道导弹武库和工业吗？还有核计划？还有最高领袖？还有石油产业？还有吃的？

>>1533278

Okay. So why haven't we won yet? Why's the strait still closed?

行。那我们怎么还没赢？海峡怎么还封着？

>>1533278

remember any other wars where the president declared victory a dozen times? i don't

还记得哪场别的战争是总统宣布胜利十几次的吗？我不记得

>>1533275

Oh wow, single crates! yeah that's definitely enough to meaningfully resupply a ship with the population of a small town and totally replaces the normal role of a port dock. Silly me, obviously they should've just stayed for another 200 days if they have this kind of resupply going for them!

哇，单件箱子！对，这点东西绝对够为一艘相当于小镇人口的船有意义地补给，完全能替代港口码头的正常功能。我真傻，真的，既然补给这么给力，他们显然应该再待 200 天！

Oh wait, what's that? Most of that is fucking fuel because normally resupply ships are intended for that and the actual proper resupply and restocking of stores is supposed to be done at the same bases we lost in the opening salvo of this war? What...?

哦等等，那是什么？大部分是他妈的燃油，因为补给船本来就是干这个的，而真正的补给和物资补充本应在我们在这场战争开局就被打掉的基地进行？什么……？

>>1533277

>You gonna back this up with a source or nah?

>你打算拿个信源来证明，还是就这么算了？

You dont know how to use the internet? Its so easy to google, you literally just copy+paste.

你不会用互联网吗？谷歌那么简单，你复制粘贴一下就行。

>Funny because we are doing so now.

>巧了，我们现在就在撤。

Yeah, it takes time to move around ships with 70+ aircraft and 5,000 people on them.

对，把一艘载着 70 多架飞机和 5000 人的船挪个位置是需要时间的。

>And it's not exactly like the Lincoln was doing much where it was

>而且林肯号待在那儿也没干什么

Yeah, the Admirals did it for the lolz. Faggot.

对，将军们就是图个乐。基佬。

>Yeah good luck with that as our oil reserves keep fucking dwindling

>祝你好运，我们的石油储备都快见底了

>then cut off 20-25% of that flow, you start running a deficit.

>然后砍掉其中 20-25% 的流量，你就开始出现赤字了。

We're not running a deficit and not presently using our reserves. Oil is at $85 a barrel.

我们没有赤字，也没有在动用储备。油价是每桶 85 美元。

>Not this long retard.

>没这么长的，智障。

The other carrier in the CSG also had a long one. And long ones aren't unheard of.

航母打击群里另一艘航母的部署也不短。长部署并不罕见。

>>1533284

you're a really bad liar. it's astounding, honestly

你这谎撒得真烂。说真的，令人叹为观止

>>1533284

>We're not running a deficit and not presently using our reserves. Oil is at $85 a barrel.

>我们没有赤字，也没有在动用储备。油价是每桶 85 美元。

Come on anon you just said how easy it is to google and can't look up the definition of a "deficit".

得了吧老哥，你刚说谷歌多简单，却连“赤字”的定义都查不明白。

Hey so quick question; if we're not using our reserves, why are our reserves going down and not going back up? Someone better plug that leak.

嘿，问个简单的问题；如果没动用储备，为什么我们的储备在下降而不是回升？得有人把那个窟窿堵上。

>>1533279

>So why haven't we won yet?

>那我们怎么还没赢？

>we

We have won.

我们已经赢了。

>Why's the strait still closed?

>海峡怎么还封着？

Its not. USN is in it right now.

没封。美国海军现在就在里面。

>>1533282

Do you think they only flew one helicopter load across? Thats the argument you're now making? USNS Arctic carries 500 tons of dry stores; and 250 tons of refrigerated stores. I would say 750 tonnes is enough to sustain 5,000 people for a week or two.

你以为他们只飞了一个直升机的量过去？你现在就这论点？USNS Arctic 载有 500 吨干货和 250 吨冷藏货。750 吨够 5000 人撑一两周了。

>Most of that is fucking fuel

>大部分是他妈的燃油

No, fuel is transferred via tubes.

不，燃油是通过管子转送的。

>>1533287

Reserves were released a couple months ago and that was done to control the price. The global oil market has dropped down to $85, we're just buying it like normal.

储备是几个月前投放的，目的是控价。全球油价已回落到 85 美元，我们只是照常购买。

>>1533284

>Yeah, the Admirals did it for the lolz. Faggot.

>对，将军们就是图个乐。基佬。

This is the same admin that got into a war with Iran and was shocked when they did the exact thing every other admin for the last 40 years had been warned Iran would do if we went to war with them directly. They did do it for the lolz because Hegseth is an idiot.

这届政府和伊朗开战，然后震惊地发现伊朗干了过去 40 年每一届政府都被警告过“直接开战他们就会干”的事。他们就是图个乐，因为赫格塞斯是个白痴。

>>1533288

>We have won.

>我们已经赢了。

lol

>Its not.

>没封。

lmao

>>1533290

>was shocked

>震惊地发现

Were they?

他们震惊了吗？

> They did do it for the lolz because Hegseth is an idiot.

>他们就是图个乐，因为赫格塞斯是个白痴。

I'm pretty sure they did it because Iran was about to finalize their nuclear weapon. But thats what you want, right? Turdie.

我很确定他们动手是因为伊朗马上要造出核武器了。但这就是你想要的，对吧？印度佬。

>>1533291

Oil price? Ayatollah status?

油价？最高领袖的状况？

you know esl shill is tilted when he starts posting from multiple devices

ESL 狗托开始用多台设备发帖的时候，你就知道他上头了

>>1533294

Are the multiple devices in the room with us now?

那几台设备现在就在这屋里陪着我们吗？

at least esl shill comes when called

至少 ESL 狗托随叫随到

>>1533288

>USNS Arctic carries 500 tons of dry stores; and 250 tons of refrigerated stores. I would say 750 tonnes is enough to sustain 5,000 people for a week or two.

>USNS Arctic 载有 500 吨干货和 250 吨冷藏货。750 吨够 5000 人撑一两周了。

Except this fundamentally misunderstands how resupply missions work; that's 750 tonnes spread across all the ships the Arctic is resupplying on its route. If they could just casually get 750 tonnes of food to each individual ship within a week or two of each other, we wouldn't need port stops in the first place.

但这从根本上误解了补给任务怎么运作：那 750 吨是摊到 Arctic 沿途所有被补给的船头上的。如果每艘船都能在一两周内轻松单独拿到 750 吨食物，那我们压根就不需要停靠港口了。

>>1533292

>I'm pretty sure they did it because Iran was about to finalize their nuclear weapon.

>我很确定他们动手是因为伊朗马上要造出核武器了。

You mean the nuclear weapon that we supposedly destroyed when we bombed them last year? Made by the program we set back 10 years last year but now was somehow only 2 weeks away from making one this year?

你是说我们去年炸他们时 supposedly 摧毁的那个核武器？去年被我们拖慢了 10 年的核计划，今年怎么突然离造出来只剩两周了？

Hegseth is a fucking clown who literally will claim Iran was about to make a nuclear bomb and that our bombing of them the previous year set them back decades in the same press conference.

赫格塞斯就是个他妈的小丑，能在同一场记者会上既声称伊朗即将造出核弹，又说我们前一年的轰炸把他们拖慢了几十年。

>>1533293

>Oil price?

>油价？

Still high.

还是高。

>Ayatollah status?

>最高领袖的状况？

Replaced by a guy who's worse.

换上来一个更糟的。

>>1533292

>I'm pretty sure they did it because Iran was about to finalize their nuclear weapon.

>我很确定他们动手是因为伊朗马上要造出核武器了。

Iran has been about to finalize their nuclear weapon for fucking decades.

“伊朗马上要造出核武器”这话他娘的说几十年了。

I cannot fucking believe we got into a middle east forever war because of fake-ass WMDs AGAIN. Jesus christ.

我真不敢相信我们又因为假得离谱的大规模杀伤性武器卷入了一场中东永恒战争。我的天。

Also, Trump's own fucking intelligence service said Iran wasn't building a nuke.

而且特朗普自己的情报机构都说了伊朗没在造核弹。

>>1533293

>Oil price?

>油价？

Spiking, which was their whole intention retard.

那是飙价，本来就是他们的目的，智障。

>Ayatollah status?

>最高领袖的状况？

Genuinely I don't know why you retards are bragging about the Ayatollah. Blowing up their leader sounds good in theory but in practice we replaced an ancient old man with a younger, more extreme one who is much less willing to cooperate. We were literally better off in talks with the previous guy. If anything we did them a favor because not only did we put a younger leader in power, but we also gave them a fucking martyr (you know, along with all those dead schoolgirls) that managed to completely halt the movement to remove the old one by the actual Iranian people.

说真的，我不懂你们这帮智障吹什么最高领袖。炸死对方领导人听着爽，但实际上我们是用一个年迈老人换了个更年轻、更极端、更不愿合作的新人。跟前一个谈，我们的处境明明更好。这么说吧，我们等于帮了他们一把：不但让更年轻的领导上位，还送了他们一个烈士（没错，跟那些死掉的女学生一起），彻底浇灭了伊朗人民自己推翻旧人的运动。

>>1533303

MAGA retards think in movie and video game terms and believe that if the big bad dies you just automatically win everything.

MAGA 智障用电影和游戏的思路思考，以为大反派一死就自动全盘获胜。

>>1533176

>You should lie to cover up how badly we botched the war and are making the troops suffer

>你应该撒谎来掩盖我们把战争搞砸、让士兵受苦的事实

>No

>YOU'RE FIRED

>>1533306

esl shill seems to have retreated back to the dank recesses of his shill farm. i'm sure he'll be back once all the americans are sound asleep

ESL 狗托似乎已经缩回他水军农场的阴暗角落了。等所有美国人都睡熟了，他肯定会回来的

No one even cares about Iran anymore. Its become a nothing burger. Hormuz ended up being a nothing burger. Gas prices are still lower than Obama era prices. It must make Itranians seethe so hard knowing we bombed them than moved on like they were old news and they cant even do anything about it. They try desperately to get some publicity back on this story but Americans are already bored and on to the next thing. ComeNovember, people will have entirely forgotten about Iran and will be back to voting over culture war issues, because seriously, that's more important then Iran's pitifully weak response as of late.

已经没人关心伊朗了。这事儿成了小菜一碟。霍尔木兹也成了小菜一碟。油价还比奥巴马时期低。伊朗人看到我们炸完他们就像对待旧闻一样翻篇、他们还毫无办法，肯定气炸了。他们拼命想把注意力拉回这件事，但美国人已经腻了，去看下一个热点了。到 11 月，人们会彻底忘记伊朗，回去为文化战争议题投票——因为说真的，这比伊朗最近那可怜兮兮的软蛋回应重要多了。

>>1533311

Come november we'll still be fighting Iran and Trump will be recognized as the retard who was fully aware he needs to win midterms and then proceeded to start a fucking war right before midterms.

到 11 月我们还会在和伊朗打仗，特朗普会被认定为一个明知需要赢下中期选举、却赶在中期选举前发动战争的白痴。

>>1533176

Obama did worse to John Kiriakou. They charged him with the espionage act.

奥巴马对约翰·基里亚科(John Kiriakou)更狠。他们用《反间谍法》起诉了他。

>>1533330

Kiriakou didn't get charged and sent to prison for 2 years for whistleblowing. He got charged because he stupidly told reporters the names of classified CIA agents.

基里亚科不是因为吹哨被起诉、蹲了 2 年监狱。他被起诉是因为他蠢到把中情局机密特工的名字告诉了记者。

>>1533331

>names of classified CIA agents

>中情局机密特工的名字

And disclosed the existence of a torture program that factually didn't work.

还披露了一个事实性无效的酷刑项目。

>>1533332

They didn't get him for that. I'm calling him stupid on that because he was smart everywhere else; the only thing they were able to convict him of was telling journalists the CIA agent names. Otherwise he was legally airtight, and even with that he was smart enough they only got him for like 2 years in prison.

他们没能靠那个定他的罪。我说他蠢是因为他在其他方面都很聪明；他们唯一能定罪的就是向记者透露中情局特工名字。除此之外他在法律上无懈可击，而且就算那样，他也聪明到只让他们判了 2 年左右。

>>1533333

Prophetic quints.

神预言的五连。

>the only thing they were able to convict him of was telling journalists the CIA agent names

>他们唯一能定罪的就是向记者透露中情局特工名字

I know, but the actual reason why they convicted him was different than the legal reason. He was airing Obama's dirty laundry in public.

我知道，但他们定罪他的真实原因和法律原因不同。他把奥巴马的丑事公开晾了出来。

I don't want to sound an anarchist fag, but the government operates like an organized crime syndicate. They are extremely vindictive.

我不想听起来像个无政府主义基佬，但政府的运作方式就像有组织犯罪集团。他们报复心极强。

>>1533334

>He was airing Obama's dirty laundry in public.

>他把奥巴马的丑事公开晾了出来。

It wasn't Obama's dirty laundry. It was the CIA in general; his confirmation of waterboarding and torture was back in 2007 before Obama was elected.

那不是奥巴马的丑事，是整个中情局的；他确认水刑和酷刑项目是在 2007 年，奥巴马还没当选呢。

>>1533167

You had one sailor try to commit suicide over the fact he was staving and reached the breaking point.

你们有一个水兵因为挨饿、到了崩溃边缘而试图自杀。

In true fascist fashion, the trump regime is trying to punish him for it.

特朗普政权正以十足的法西斯做派，试图为此惩罚他。

https://en.royanews.tv/news/73126/US-sailor-who-jumped-from-aircraft-carrier-faces-disciplinary-action

>>1533382

>You had one sailor try to commit suicide over the fact he was staving and reached the breaking point.

>你们有一个水兵因为挨饿、到了崩溃边缘而试图自杀。

Simply untrue, as demonstrated in this thread.

完全不是真的，本楼已经证明过了。

>royanews

lmao. LITERALLY BROWN.

笑死。字面意义上的棕色人。

>>1533307

I'm American, and employed. So I went to bed. Interesting that you're not subject to those same constraints.

我是美国人，而且有工作。所以我去睡觉了。有意思的是你怎么就不受这些约束。

>>1533382

>Simply untrue

>完全不是真的

The military literally admitted this happened.

军方亲口承认了这事发生过。

>>1533387

>The military literally admitted this happened.

>军方亲口承认了这事发生过。

No they did not.

不，他们没有。

>>1533388

>https://www.ms.now/news/navy-sailor-jumped-overboard-uss-lincoln-discipline-punishment

So they're just charging this guy for no reason?

所以他们就无缘无故起诉这家伙？

>>1533392

>try to commit suicide over the fact he was staving and reached the breaking point.

>试图自杀因为挨饿、到了崩溃边缘。

Statement. Which is untrue.

声明。不实的声明。

Someone tried to commit suicide, reasons were not confirmed as him "starving"

确实有人试图自杀，但原因没被确认为“挨饿”

>>1533155

Evil is weakness and low morale

邪恶就是软弱和低士气

>>1533383

If it didn't happen, why is trump regime trying to punish the sailor?

如果没发生过，特朗普政权为什么要惩罚那个水兵？

>>1533395

I'm pretty sure he was touching himself at night.

我挺确定他晚上在自我安慰。

>>1533395

>>try to commit suicide over the fact he was staving and reached the breaking point.

>>试图自杀因为挨饿、到了崩溃边缘。

This statement is untrue.

这个说法不实。

a) A sailor tried to kill himself = true

a) 有水兵试图自杀 = 真

b) Over the fact he was staving and reached the breaking point = false

b) 因为挨饿、到了崩溃边缘 = 假

>why is trump regime trying to punish the sailor?

>如果没发生过，特朗普政权为什么要惩罚那个水兵？

Because he committed the naval crime of "malingering". Article 83 UCMJ.

因为他犯了海军罪“装病躲勤”(malingering)。《军法统一法典》第 83 条。

>>1533397

OK, well, I'm gay, mentally ill and I make stuff up all the time since Trump is consuming my entire life. Is that so wrong?

好，行，我是同性恋、有精神疾病，而且因为特朗普占据了我整个人生，我一直在编东西。这很过分吗？

i think esl shill just broke the projection record

我觉得 ESL 狗托刚刚打破了投射纪录

>>1533395

Attempted suicide is a crime

自杀未遂是一种罪

I think it should be a death penalty offense.

我觉得这该判死刑。

>>1533404

so should being a shill

当狗托也该

>>1533404

That's because, like all righty retards at this point, you are a psychopath, you literally cannot understand empathy or morality, and deserve to be put down like a rabid dog.

这是因为，跟现在所有右翼智障一样，你是个精神变态，你根本无法理解共情和道德，就该像疯狗一样被处理掉。

>>1533415

Nah we understtand empathy just fne.

不，我们共情能力理解得很好。

>>1533149

>>1533152

implying leftists weren't doing this for the last decade lmao

暗示左派过去十年没干这种事，哈哈

you didn't say shit when biden censored all opposing speech so i don't want to hear crap from you until you die.

拜登审查一切反对言论的时候你屁都没放一个，所以你死之前我都懒得听你放屁。

>I'm a pathetic loser who needs attention

>我是个需要关注的可怜虫

>>1533429

>ESL SHILL!!!!!!!!!

>>1533427

>Nah we understtand empathy just fne.

>不，我们共情能力理解得很好。

then why did you shoot my donkey?

那你为什么射杀了我的驴？

>>1533399

>>1533415

Malingering is a military crime and always has been. It's one one of the oldest naval crimes.

装病躲勤是军事罪行，一直都是。这是最古老的海军罪名之一。

>Muh empathy

>又是共情

You can feel sorry for someone and still punish them for breaking the rules that govern your society.

你可以同情一个人，同时因为他违反了你所在社会的规则而惩罚他。

>>1533447

Yeah you fucking psycho retard, but you can't understand the reason behind those rules without empathy, which is why they seem arbitrary and random to you.

对，你这个该死的精神病智障，但没有共情你就无法理解那些规则背后的原因，所以它们在你眼里才显得武断而随机。

>the party that kills babies, cheered the death of Charlie Kirk and demands higher taxes on hard working American families tries to lecture anyone on empathy

>一个杀婴儿、为 Charlie Kirk 之死叫好、还要求给辛勤工作的美国家庭加税的党，居然想跟任何人讲共情

Liggeral ((((empathy)))) is selective. They only have empathy for blacks, trannies and mudslimes

自由派的“共情”是选择性的。他们只对黑人、变性人和绿教徒有共情

>>1533449

>kills babies

>杀婴儿

Not a baby for the first six months.

前六个月那不是婴儿。

>cheered the death of Charlie Kirk

>为 Charlie Kirk 之死叫好

You don't even like that (((goy))), why are you defending him now?

你们根本不喜欢那个外邦人，现在为什么要替他辩护？

>demands higher taxes

>要求加税

You people have lowered taxes for the last 60 years. They have to go back up at some point.

你们这帮人过去 60 年一直在降税。总有天得涨回去。

>They only have empathy for blacks, trannies, and muslims

>他们只对黑人、变性人和穆斯林有共情

Incels like you thankfully don't reproduce.

幸好像你这样的处男不会繁衍。

>>1533440

Cause you're a dick.

因为你是个混蛋。

>>1533448

Huh?

I understand the reason perfectly. The purpose is to punish those who intentionally cause a medical or mental condition in order to avoid work, duty, deployment.

我完全理解规则的原因。目的是惩罚那些为了逃避工作、职责或部署而故意制造医学或精神状况的人。

The sailor is a woman who just had a kid. She told everyone she wants off the boat to be with her kid. When they said no, she did what she did. Either her attempt was a "fake" attempt (we don't know the details) or maybe it was real. Either way it was an attempt to get out of service and her wish will be granted. She will have her court martial and she will be discharged from the military. Probably with a "Less than Honorable" or just an Administrative Separation.

那个水兵是个刚生了孩子的女兵。她跟所有人说了想下船陪孩子。他们说不许，她就干了那事。她的尝试要么是“假”自杀（细节不明），要么是真的。无论如何，这是想逃离服役，而她的愿望会实现的。她会接受军事法庭审判然后退伍。多半是“非荣誉退伍”或者直接行政除役。

Like, what the fuck do you expect the navy to do?

话说，你觉得海军还能怎么办？

>>1533451

>Not a baby for the first six months

>前六个月那不是婴儿

It's a baby from conception bud. Like, this is basic biology.

从受孕那一刻起就是婴儿了老哥。这是基础生物学常识。

>No! You can't point out our psychotic reaction to the brutal public murder of a normie Republican because reasons

>不！你不许指出我们对一名普通共和党人被当众残忍谋杀的疯狂反应，因为种种理由

Wrong.

>Noo pay more taxes!

>不要啊！多交税！

Why?

>>1533451

>Not a baby for the first six months.

>前六个月那不是婴儿。

Pretty sure it is.

很确定那就是婴儿。

>You people have lowered taxes for the last 60 years. They have to go back up at some point.

>你们这帮人过去 60 年一直在降税。总有天得涨回去。

Why?

>>1533457

>>1533456

>Nooo the hekkin taxes MUST go up!

>不要啊——可爱的小税税必须涨！

>Why

Hive mind.

蜂群思维。

>>1533458

Yes, "why?" was the question.

对，“为什么？”就是问题所在。

Why must they go up?

为什么必须涨？

>>1533456

>our psychotic reaction to the brutal public murder of a normie Republican because reasons

>我们对一名普通共和党人被当众残忍谋杀的疯狂反应，因为种种理由

You mean celebrating at his funeral with fireworks shows and fake tears? The most unhinged reactions to Kirk getting Kirked wasn't leftists throwing some jokes on him over the internet, it was his own organization trying to profit off of it before his body was cold. His own wife literally tried to use it as a springboard for her own career while turning every funeral service and memorial into a WWE-style event.

你是说在他的葬礼上放烟花、挤假眼泪那种庆祝？对 Kirk 被杀反应最失心疯的不是左派在网上开几句玩笑，而是他自己的组织趁尸骨未寒忙着借机捞钱。他老婆更是直接把每场葬礼和追思会办成 WWE 摔角秀，好给自己的事业当跳板。

>>1533462

>No actually you are happy he is dead because some of the funeral was in poor taste

>不对，你就是因为葬礼有些环节品位低下才乐见他死

Bro, we've all seen the psychotic glee over his death from the left that continues to this day.

兄弟，左派对他死亡那副癫狂的狂喜我们可都看到了，到现在还没停。

>>1533464

no, you're just projecting again

不，你又投射了

>>1533467

Yeah, okay, psycho.

对，好好好，精神病。

>>1533460

The government needs revenue to pay Trump's bilionaire friends.

政府需要收入来供养特朗普的亿万富翁朋友们。

>>1533470

Trump is the one who cuts taxes. Try to follow along, jeet.

降税的是特朗普。跟紧点，印度佬。

>>1533470

see why talking to him is futile

看到跟这人说话有多徒劳了吧

>>1533464

>psychotic glee over his death

>对死亡那副癫狂的狂喜

Again, see his own fucking wife literally parading around his corpse to further his own career. She had fireworks and sparklers at his funeral while she put fake tears in her eyes.

再说一遍，看看他那位亲老婆如何推着他的遗体给自己事业铺路。她在葬礼上放烟花点仙女棒，眼里挤着假泪。

>>1533476

>I'm not psychotic

>我没有精神病

>Continues to mock, or otherwise attack, widow like a year after his death

>人死了快一年还在继续嘲讽或攻击遗孀

I rest my case.

我休息了，论据足够了。

>>1533480

larping as a victim has nothing to do with this thread's topic, shill anon

装受害者跟本楼主题没关系，狗托老哥

>>1533149

Hey, look. Paid actors.

嘿，看。领钱办事的群众演员。

Every accusation is a confession. Every single fucking one.

每一项指控都是自我招供。每一项，无一例外。