Ukrainian Defence Minister Calls for Election

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdew8n9erlwo

Ukraine's popular ex-defence minister Mykhailo Fedorov has called for wartime elections, in what is widely seen as the biggest challenge to Volodymyr Zelensky's presidency since Russia's full-scale invasion four and a half years ago.

乌克兰受欢迎的前国防部长米哈伊洛·费多罗夫呼吁举行战时选举，这被广泛认为是自四年半前俄罗斯全面入侵以来对弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基总统任期的最大挑战。

"Democracy cannot be held hostage by Russia," said Fedorov, 35, in a video posted to YouTube on Tuesday, adding that Ukraine is fighting "precisely because we want to remain a free European state".

35 岁的费多罗夫周二在 YouTube 上发布的一段视频中表示，“民主不能被俄罗斯扣为人质”，并补充说乌克兰正在战斗“正是因为我们想继续成为一个自由的欧洲国家”。

Since the war broke out in 2022 Ukraine has been under martial law, meaning elections are suspended.

自 2022 年战争爆发以来，乌克兰一直处于戒严状态，这意味着选举被暂停。

Fedorov, who did not mention Zelensky by name in the video, was unexpectedly fired from his role as defence minister last month, just six months after his appointment.

费多罗夫在视频中没有提到泽连斯基的名字，上个月他出人意料地被解除了国防部长职务，而此时距离他被任命仅六个月。

Zelensky has not directly responded to the video from Fedorov, whose dismissal sparked protests across the country.

泽伦斯基没有直接回应费多罗夫的视频，费多罗夫的解雇引发了全国各地的抗议。

But in his own video message late on Wednesday, the Ukrainian president mentioned the tasks the newly-confirmed Defence Minister Yevhenii Khmara faced, including defending against deadly Russian aerial attacks and expanding Ukraine's "deep-strike capabilities" inside Russia.

但在周三晚些时候的视频讲话中，乌克兰总统提到了新任命的国防部长叶夫赫尼·赫马拉面临的任务，包括防御俄罗斯致命的空袭以及扩大乌克兰在俄罗斯境内的“深度打击能力”。

Meanwhile, a source in the presidential office told the BBC it was "highly bizarre to plan elections amidst missiles and drones. This demonstrates a complete lack of realism".

与此同时，青瓦台的一位消息人士告诉英国广播公司，“在导弹和无人机中计划选举是非常奇怪的。这表明完全缺乏现实主义”。

A number of Ukrainian analysts have also questioned whether it would be possible to properly organise the voting for millions of Ukrainians who have fled the country and also hundreds of thousands of soldiers on the front line.

一些乌克兰分析人士还质疑是否有可能为数百万逃离该国的乌克兰人和数十万前线士兵组织投票。

Zelensky - whose five-year presidential term ended in May 2024 - has been under pressure from both Washington and Moscow to hold new elections.

泽伦斯基的五年总统任期于 2024 年 5 月结束，他一直面临华盛顿和莫斯科举行新选举的压力。

When US President Donald Trump suggested last year that Kyiv was "using war" to avoid a vote, Zelensky said Ukraine was "ready for elections" within 60-90 days if its allies helped guarantee security for them.

当美国总统唐纳德·特朗普去年暗示基辅正在“利用战争”来避免投票时，泽伦斯基表示，如果其盟友帮助保障乌克兰的安全，乌克兰将在 60 至 90 天内“做好选举准备”。

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>>1530952

Holding a fair and safe vote would present considerable challenges for a country under repeated Russian bombardment and many Ukrainians saw Trump's remarks as reflecting Vladimir Putin's narrative that Zelensky is not a legitimate leader.

对于一个遭受俄罗斯多次轰炸的国家来说，举行公平和安全的投票将带来相当大的挑战，许多乌克兰人认为特朗普的言论反映了弗拉基米尔·普京的说法，即泽连斯基不是合法领导人。

In the latest Russian attacks on Wednesday, four people were killed when a drone hit a minibus in the southern city of Kherson. Buses and minibuses in Kherson have been repeatedly targeted in recent months, killing drivers and passengers alike.

在周三的最新俄罗斯袭击中，一架无人机在南部城市赫尔松撞上了一辆小巴，造成四人死亡。近几个月来，赫尔松的公共汽车和小巴多次成为攻击目标，造成司机和乘客死亡。

In the central city of Zhytomyr, two police officers were killed and another 20 people injured in a Russian drone strike on the regional police headquarters, a local official said.

当地官员称，在中部城市日托米尔，俄罗斯无人机袭击了地区警察总部，造成两名警察死亡，另有 20 人受伤。

In a separate development, Ukraine's two anti-corruption agencies said they were conducting a special operation targeting current and former MPs as well as an unnamed official in the presidential office.

另据报道，乌克兰两个反腐败机构表示，他们正在针对现任和前任国会议员以及总统办公室一名未透露姓名的官员开展特别行动。

Hours later, Zelensky's office said its deputy head Iryna Mudra had been dismissed, amid local media reports of a raid on her premises.

几小时后，泽连斯基办公室表示，副主任伊琳娜·穆德拉已被解雇，当地媒体报道称她的办公场所遭到突击搜查。

There was no immediate comment from Mudra, although MP Vadym Stolar, whose home was searched as part of the operation, said he was co-operating with anti-corruption officials.

马德拉没有立即发表评论，但在这次行动中，其家被搜查的议员瓦迪姆·斯托拉尔表示，他正在与反腐败官员合作。

In his video, Fedorov complained that corruption was depriving the military of weapons and equipment and making it harder for Kyiv to win the war. He spoke of Ukraine facing a "systemic crisis of governance" and being "scared of change".

费多罗夫在视频中抱怨腐败剥夺了军队的武器和装备，使基辅更难赢得战争。他谈到乌克兰面临“系统性治理危机”并“害怕变革”。

About 100 protesters gathered outside the Ukrainian parliament on Wednesday morning, chanting "bring back Fedorov as minister of defence" and "we are fed up, we want dialogue".

周三上午，大约100名抗议者聚集在乌克兰议会外，高呼“让费多罗夫重新担任国防部长”和“我们受够了，我们希望对话”。

Fedorov is a charismatic politician, and during his tenure as defence minister, he was credited with energising the ministry, heading a drive against corruption, challenging outdated military structures and transforming the battlefield with new technology.

费多罗夫是一位富有魅力的政治家，在担任国防部长期间，他因激励国防部长、领导反腐败运动、挑战过时的军事结构以及利用新技术改变战场而受到赞誉。

>>1530953

His dismissal in mid-July is believed to have resulted from tensions between him and army commander-in-chief, Oleksandr Syrskyi.

据信，他于 7 月中旬被解职，原因是他与陆军总司令亚历山大·西尔斯基 (Oleksandr Syrskyi) 之间关系紧张。

Within days Syrskyi was also replaced, as mounting protests calling for Fedorov's reinstatement piled pressure on the Ukrainian president.

几天之内，西尔斯基也被撤换，要求费多罗夫复职的抗议活动日益增多，给这位乌克兰总统带来了压力。

The ousted minister was offered other posts in the government, including deputy prime minister for military innovation, but he made clear he would only return as defence minister.

被驱逐的部长获得了政府的其他职位，包括负责军事创新的副总理，但他明确表示，他只会以国防部长的身份回归。

Fedorov spoke in the video of a sense of injustice, warning it was "particularly dangerous when society develops the feeling that the main criterion for an appointment is not professionalism, results, or the ability to transform the country, but personal loyalty to the system".

费多罗夫在视频中表达了一种不公正感，并警告说，“当社会产生这样一种感觉，即任命的主要标准不是专业精神、成果或改造国家的能力，而是个人对制度的忠诚度时，这是特别危险的”。

The protests have continued weekly, with younger Ukrainians especially disappointed to see the established armed forces chief favoured over the fresh-faced digital innovator.

抗议活动每周都在持续，年轻的乌克兰人尤其失望地看到老牌武装部队司令比新面孔的数字创新者更受青睐。

He gave no indication of his own political plans in the YouTube video, instead focusing on the need for a "legal, safe, and realistic mechanism that will allow Ukraine to restore a full democratic process even amidst a prolonged war".

他在 YouTube 视频中没有透露自己的政治计划，而是强调需要一个“合法、安全和现实的机制，让乌克兰即使在长期战争中也能恢复全面的民主进程”。

In the space of a month, he has gone from saying he would only return to government in his old job, to calling for widespread reform and political change. He has not explicitly stated his intention to run against Zelensky but he has laid down the most serious challenge yet, calling for "a state where institutions are stronger than names".

在一个月的时间里，他从表示只会回到政府担任原来的工作，到呼吁进行广泛的改革和政治变革。他没有明确表示打算与泽连斯基竞选，但他提出了迄今为止最严峻的挑战，呼吁“建立一个制度比名字更强大的国家”。

That might be a reference to Zelensky's own personal profile, but after such a stark intervention, it is Fedorov's name that is now doing the rounds.

这可能是指泽连斯基自己的个人资料，但经过如此严厉的干预，现在流传最广的是费多罗夫的名字。

His call for elections has angered some Ukrainian commentators, including those who backed Fedorov's return as defence minister. One of Zelensky's detractors argued that even the government's fiercest opponents understood that holding elections during the war was impossible.

他对选举的呼吁激怒了一些乌克兰评论员，其中包括那些支持费多罗夫重新担任国防部长的人。泽伦斯基的一位批评者认为，即使是政府最激烈的反对者也明白，在战争期间举行选举是不可能的。

>>1530954

Ivan, 24, who was among the protesters calling for Fedorov's reinstatement outside parliament, told the BBC that "elections at this time of war wouldn't be the best thing".

24 岁的伊万是在议会外呼吁费多罗夫复职的抗议者之一，他告诉 BBC，“在战争时期举行选举并不是最好的事情”。

Oleksandr Merezhko, an MP loyal to Zelensky, said he had backed Fedorov's return to the defence ministry but found his idea for new elections as "very dangerous and unrealistic".

忠于泽连斯基的国会议员奥列克桑德·梅列日科表示，他支持费多罗夫重返国防部，但发现他关于重新选举的想法“非常危险且不切实际”。

"It will weaken the country and our unity, our resilience. That's why I think that the idea to hold elections unfortunately plays into the hands of Putin."

“这将削弱国家、我们的团结、我们的韧性。这就是为什么我认为举行选举的想法不幸地落入了普京的手中。”

Another pro-Fedorov protester in Kyiv, Maya, said elections were not a good idea when Ukraine was at war. Zelensky was for now "the best choice, the safest option for all of us, but after the war ends I hope there will be a new president", she said.

基辅的另一名亲费多罗夫抗议者玛雅表示，乌克兰处于战争状态时，选举不是一个好主意。她说，泽伦斯基目前是“最好的选择，对我们所有人来说都是最安全的选择，但战争结束后我希望会有一位新总统”。

Opposition MP Volodymyr Aryev disagreed, accusing Zelensky of being detached from reality and saying "we have reached a point where we must choose between elections and chaos".

反对党议员弗拉基米尔·阿里耶夫不同意，指责泽连斯基脱离现实，并表示“我们已经到了必须在选举和混乱之间做出选择的地步”。

A former minister of digital transformation, Fedorov set up a volunteer "IT Army of Ukraine" to launch cyber-attacks against Russians in the early days after Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

前数字化转型部长费多罗夫在普京全面入侵乌克兰后不久，就组建了一支志愿“乌克兰IT军”，对俄罗斯发动网络攻击。

Later, he led a successful fundraising campaign called the Army of Drones and brought in elements of "gamification" to the war, designing a system that awarded Ukrainian military units with credits for hitting Russian targets.

后来，他成功领导了一场名为“无人机军团”的筹款活动，并将“游戏化”元素引入战争，设计了一个系统，为乌克兰军事单位击中俄罗斯目标提供奖励。

As defence minister, his focus on drones, high-tech warfare and procurement continued, and saw him ask SpaceX founder Elon Musk to stop Russia from using Starlink satellites for drone attacks.

作为国防部长，他继续关注无人机、高科技战争和采购，并要求 SpaceX 创始人埃隆·马斯克阻止俄罗斯使用星链卫星进行无人机攻击。

The move has been credited with causing considerable disruption to Russia's frontline operations and advance.

此举被认为对俄罗斯前线行动和前进造成了相当大的干扰。

In a Facebook post shortly after his dismissal, Fedorov listed his achievements and said he would "continue... to defeat the enemy through asymmetry, speed of innovation, and organisational strength".

被解雇后不久，费多罗夫在脸书上发帖列出了自己的成就，并表示他将“继续……通过不对称、创新速度和组织力量击败敌人”。

>>1530952

>Zelensky - whose five-year presidential term ended in May 2024 - has been under pressure from both Washington and Moscow to hold new elections.

>泽连斯基的五年总统任期于 2024 年 5 月结束，他一直面临着华盛顿和莫斯科举行新选举的压力。

Who cares? Especially from Moscow, are you fucking kidding me?

谁在乎？尤其是从莫斯科来的，你他妈是在开玩笑吗？

The jew Zelensky won't do this. He's a dictator. Warmonger. Thief. Coward. Monster. Fuck him. FREE UKRAINE Z

犹太人泽伦斯基不会这么做。他是一个独裁者。好战分子。贼。懦夫。怪物。操他。免费乌克兰 Z

>>1530958

Are you surprised that Russia wants the war to end?

您对俄罗斯希望结束战争感到惊讶吗？

>>1530960

I'm surprised that anyone is giving Russia's opinion on the politics of the country they fucking invaded the time of day. That's ridiculous.

我很惊讶居然有人对俄罗斯当时入侵的国家的政治发表看法。这太荒谬了。

>"Ukraine should have elections like a good democracy!" says reason Ukraine isn't having elections that's trying to overthrow their democracy.

>“乌克兰应该像一个良好的民主国家那样进行选举！”说乌克兰不举行选举的原因是试图推翻他们的民主。

That's a fucking Onion headline.

这就是一个该死的洋葱头条新闻。

They'd have to alter their constitution first.

他们必须首先修改宪法。

>>1530952

Is there a way to end martial law and restore regular elections without ending the war?

有没有办法在不结束战争的情况下结束戒严并恢复正常选举？

>>1530964

Ukraine can do whatever it has the political willpower to do. They're not holding elections because they don't want to.

乌克兰可以做任何它有政治意志力的事情。他们不举行选举是因为他们不想这样做。

Daily reminder Zelensky trafficked children to Joe and Hunter Briben. All 3 of them have gang raped children.

每日提醒泽连斯基将儿童贩卖给乔·布里本和亨特·布里本。他们3人都有被轮奸过的孩子。

>>1530961

CNN gave airtime to Colin Powell after the United States invaded Iraq, telling us about the Iraqi WMD program.

美国入侵伊拉克后，美国有线电视新闻网 (CNN) 向科林·鲍威尔播出了有关伊拉克大规模杀伤性武器计划的节目。

American officials give their opinions on the politics of the country they fucking invaded every single war

美国官员对他们入侵的每场战争的国家的政治发表看法

>>1530958

I'm sure Washington and Moscow aren't uses to these kinds of things, but Ukraine would literally have to change its constitution before an election would even be legal.

我确信华盛顿和莫斯科不习惯这些事情，但乌克兰实际上必须在选举合法之前改变宪法。

>>1530960

This shit is always so funny to me, as if Zelensky is single-handedly preventing Ukraine from capitulating to Russia while everyone else can't wait for it to happen

这件事对我来说总是很有趣，就好像泽连斯基单枪匹马地阻止乌克兰向俄罗斯投降，而其他人都迫不及待地等待它发生

You are aware that the most likely candidates to win the election like Budanov and Zaluzhnyi are probably even less likely to agree to any sort of compromise, right?

您知道，像布达诺夫和扎卢日尼这样最有可能赢得选举的候选人可能更不可能同意任何形式的妥协，对吗？

>>1530965

I just don't see how it's feasible. How to soldiers at the front vote? How do PoWs or refugees? What about people living under occupation? What if any of the aforementioned want to run for office.

我只是不明白它如何可行。前线士兵如何投票？战俘或难民如何？那些生活在占领之下的人们呢？如果上述任何人想竞选公职怎么办？

How would it possible to hold a fair and secret election under all those circumstances and if by some miracle they still managed to, what reason would anyone have to believe in the legitimacy of the result, given the circumstances of the election?

在所有这些情况下如何可能举行公平和秘密的选举？如果他们仍然奇迹般地做到了，那么考虑到选举的情况，人们有什么理由相信结果的合法性呢？

There's a reason most countries don't hold elections during wartime.

大多数国家在战时不举行选举是有原因的。

>>1530958

I think it's funny that both trump and putin, who are both far right authortarians, staged a coup and does everything to rig elections are trying to lecture anyone else on democracy.

我认为有趣的是，特朗普和普京都是极右独裁者，他们发动政变并千方百计操纵选举，却试图向其他人讲授民主。

>>1530970

To be fair I assume Putin is smart enough to know that elections would likely destabilize Ukraine as does the demand for elections. Meanwhile Trump is just an idiot who can't have an opinion and just repeats what he thinks sounds good in the moment.

公平地说，我认为普京足够聪明，他知道选举可能会破坏乌克兰的稳定，对选举的要求也是如此。与此同时，特朗普只是一个白痴，没有意见，只是重复他认为目前听起来不错的事情。

>>1530970

Trump did none of those things. Joe Briben stole the 2020 election though.

特朗普没有做这些事情。不过，乔·布里本 (Joe Briben) 窃取了 2020 年大选的胜利。

esl shill is begging for attention again

ESL shill 再次寻求关注

>>1530969

>I just don't see how it's feasible.

>我只是不明白它如何可行。

Just do it.

去做就对了。

There's nothing in the law that says every single person has to vote or voting is impossible.

法律中没有规定每个人都必须投票，否则投票是不可能的。

>>1530962

>>1530969

Hello Ukrainian Constitutional scholar. What do you know about the minutiae of the Ukrainian political scandals. Is it the declaration of War by Ukraine or Russia that suspends elections, or is it the declaration of Martial law?

乌克兰宪法学者你好。你对乌克兰政治丑闻的细节了解多少？是乌克兰或俄罗斯宣战而暂停选举，还是宣布戒严令？

Where are you getting your knowledge of the Ukrainian Constitution and the legal powers of their executive?

您从哪里获得有关乌克兰宪法及其行政机关法定权力的知识？

>>1530981

It's in plain black and white text. Spoonfeed yourself.

它是纯黑白文本。用勺子喂自己。

>>1530967

>but what about

>但是呢

>I'm surprised anyone is giving Russia's opinion on the politics of the country they fucking invaded the time of day

>我很惊讶居然有人对俄罗斯当时入侵的国家的政治发表看法

>We constantly give countries the time of day after they invade a country, here is a specific example from recent history

>我们不断地向各国提供入侵一个国家后的具体时间，这是近代历史中的一个具体例子

that's whataboutism!

这就是什么主义！

>>1530967

>>1530988

That's not the same thing as Russia saying "Ukraine should have elections" when Russia invading Ukraine is why they're not having elections. Fuck off with your false equivalence, you stupid bitch.

这与俄罗斯说“乌克兰应该举行选举”不同，而俄罗斯入侵乌克兰是他们不举行选举的原因。滚开你的虚假对等，你这个愚蠢的母狗。

>>1530990

But it's not Russia saying it

但这不是俄罗斯说的

>>1530952

Ukraine's popular ex-defence minister Mykhailo Fedorov has called for wartime elections, in what is widely seen as the biggest challenge to Volodymyr Zelensky's presidency since Russia's full-scale invasion four and a half years ago.

乌克兰受欢迎的前国防部长米哈伊洛·费多罗夫呼吁举行战时选举，这被广泛认为是自四年半前俄罗斯全面入侵以来对弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基总统任期的最大挑战。

"Democracy cannot be held hostage by Russia," said Fedorov, 35, in a video posted to YouTube on Tuesday, adding that Ukraine is fighting "precisely because we want to remain a free European state".

35 岁的费多罗夫周二在 YouTube 上发布的一段视频中表示，“民主不能被俄罗斯扣为人质”，并补充说乌克兰正在战斗“正是因为我们想继续成为一个自由的欧洲国家”。

Since the war broke out in 2022 Ukraine has been under martial law, meaning elections are suspended.

自 2022 年战争爆发以来，乌克兰一直处于戒严状态，这意味着选举被暂停。

>>1530984

This article seems to imply the elections are suspended by martial law and not the war

这篇文章似乎暗示选举是因为戒严而不是战争而暂停的

>>1531000

is russia winning

俄罗斯赢了吗

>>1531001

Objectively speaking, yes

客观地说，是的

>>1531003

LOL

>>1531001

No. It already has lost the war, but not realizing it.

不，它已经输掉了这场战争，但自己却没有意识到。

People empty their bank accounts. Russia is bankrupt, and they fear their money will be confiscated.

人们清空银行账户。俄罗斯已经破产，他们担心自己的钱会被没收。

>>1531000

>But it's not Russia saying it

>但这不是俄罗斯说的

>Zelensky - whose five-year presidential term ended in May 2024 - has been under pressure from both Washington and Moscow to hold new elections.

>泽连斯基的五年总统任期于 2024 年 5 月结束，他一直面临着华盛顿和莫斯科举行新选举的压力。

>>1531009

I’m not surprised that the current US administration would take violating the constitution lightly

对于现任美国政府会轻视违反宪法的行为，我并不感到惊讶

>>1531001

The war is a stalemate. Nobody is winning.

战争陷入胶着状态。没有人赢。

To quote Niko Bellic, War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other.

用尼科·贝利奇的话来说，战争就是年轻人和愚蠢的人被年老和痛苦的人欺骗而互相残杀。

>>1531009

>>1531010

This is such a dumbass argument and idk why people bend over backwards to defend Zelensky no matter what.

这是一个非常愚蠢的论点，我不知道为什么人们无论如何都会竭尽全力捍卫泽连斯基。

Ukraine's constitution says no elections when under martial law (article 19). Ukraine held multiple elections during the war in Donbas. So, either Ukraine ends martial law or they change the constitution to permit an election during martial law.

乌克兰宪法规定戒严期间不得举行选举（第 19 条）。乌克兰在顿巴斯战争期间举行了多次选举。因此，乌克兰要么结束戒严，要么修改宪法以允许在戒严期间举行选举。

Its no big deal, the US had elections in the middle of a civil war.

没什么大不了的，美国在内战期间举行了选举。

>>1531022

the civil war was strategically wrapping up by the time the elections happened. but it's cute that you did some rudimentary googling for your america larp

选举发生时，内战已在战略上结束。但你为你的美国larp做了一些基本的谷歌搜索，这很可爱

>>1531024

>the civil war was strategically wrapping up by the time the elections happened

>选举发生时，内战已在战略上结束

Confirmed not American.

确认不是美国人。

The North had some big wins by Q4 1864 (Atlanta etc) but 30% of the population was still in literally a different country and there were still ~400,000 confederate soldiers in the field.

到 1864 年第四季度，北方取得了一些重大胜利（亚特兰大等），但 30% 的人口实际上仍然居住在不同的国家，并且仍有约 400,000 名南方联盟士兵在战场上。

Holy shit, stop being such a faggot.

天哪，别再做这样的基佬了。