Supreme Court Upholds Birthright, Denies Trump's Bid To Rewrite Citizenship

Three losses in one week for Trump. He only has two friends on the court now ... Thomas and Alito.

特朗普一周内输了三场。他现在在最高法院只有两个朋友……托马斯和阿利托。

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supreme-court-rules-on-birthright-citizenship_n_6a0f2eade4b0f1ba1f62e05b

The Supreme Court upheld the Constitution’s guarantee that those born in the United States are automatically U.S. citizens, rejecting President Donald Trump’s attempt to rewrite one of the most sacred laws in the U.S.

最高法院维持了宪法关于在美国出生者自动成为美国公民的保证，拒绝了唐纳德·特朗普总统试图重写美国最神圣法律之一的企图。

“Children born in the United States to parents unlawfully or temporarily present are ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are citizens at birth under the Fourteenth Amendment’s Citizenship Clause,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the 6-3 ruling released Tuesday. Justice Brett Kavanaugh concurred in part. Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch dissented.

“在美国出生、父母非法或临时居住的孩子，根据第十四修正案公民条款，属于美国‘管辖范围’，并自出生起即为美国公民。”首席大法官约翰·罗伯茨在周二发布的 6-3 裁决中写道。布雷特·卡瓦诺大法官部分同意。克拉伦斯·托马斯、塞缪尔·阿利托和尼尔·戈萨奇大法官提出异议。

Citizenship, according to the chief justice, has been defined as having rights to “freely participate in our political community.”

首席大法官表示，公民身份被定义为拥有“自由参与我国政治社区”的权利。

“The Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment extended that promise to ‘every free-born person in this land.’ We keep that promise today,” he wrote.

他在文中写道：“第十四修正案的制定者将这一承诺延伸给了‘这片土地上每一个自由诞生的人。’我们今天依然在践行这一承诺。”

The 14th Amendment states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside.”

第十四修正案规定：“所有在美国出生或归化并受其管辖的人，均为美国及他们所居住的州的公民。”

>>1522085

>Barron: an anchor baby of the First Whore: an illegal immigrant

>巴尔伦：第一妓女（指希拉里）的“.anchor baby”（即利用赴美生子获取公民身份的婴儿）：其非法移民母亲

That's why hypocrites don't have the right to have political power, opinions, or social standing.

这就是为什么伪君子不配拥有政治权力、话语权或社会地位。

Two down, one to go in November: counting down to 20th January 2029 and the death of MAGA. Tick-tock, tick-tock, Trump & cultists.

还有两个就搞定了，坐等十一月：倒计时开始，迈向2029年1月20日，也是MAGA（让美国再次伟大运动）的终点。滴答滴答，特朗普和那些邪教徒们。

>>1522089

the ruling means nothing without enforcement. It is business as usual for ICE and no one will stop them from rounding up people and deporting them.

如果没有执法行动，这项裁决就毫无意义。ICE（美国移民及海关执法局）依然故我，没人能阻止他们抓人并驱逐出境。

The courts are irrelevant and Trump knows it.

法院已无关紧要，特朗普也心知肚明。

>conservative woman with two adopted children from haiti opposes overturning birthright citizenship

>一位养育了两个海地收养子女的保守派女性反对推翻出生地公民权

Literally everything wrong with America.

这简直把美国所有的烂事都凑齐了。 这项裁决对特朗普的政治信誉至关重要。十一月之后，一切将回归常态：当民主党 dismantling（拆解）MAGA所代表的一切，剥夺那些邪教徒们对其“橙色神祇”任何政治权力的支持时，那些右翼分子（rightards）只能无力地暴怒，而特朗普支持者们（Trumptards）对此无能为力。 特朗普已无关紧要，最高法院也心知肚明。 这种案子，只要不是盲目狂热的党派分子，不管同不同意判决结果，谁都清楚结局会怎样。 任何对此感到惊讶的人，最好坐下好好审视一下自己消费的新闻媒体，问问自己是不是困在信息茧房里。 >抓人并驱逐出境 他居然还认为他们真在这么做。真可爱。 >最高法院维持了出生地公民权，这对我国来说固然不幸，但我们完全可以通过立法在国会进行补救，并获得总统在此过程中已确定的支持。不需要冗长且繁琐的宪法修正案！国会应该从今天开始着手终结对我国昂贵且不公的出生地公民权。他们将获得我的完全和全力支持！总统唐纳德·J·特朗普 拜托，拜托，求求你们，在中期选举前的最后几个月里，别费劲去强推一部无视第十四修正案、一旦通过就会立即被以违宪为由抛在一边的法案了。 你和你的邪教徒们正在分崩离析，特朗普。 判决结果是5比4。法官席上有不少盲目狂热的党派分子，所以这个判决结果其实并不意外，早就见怪不怪了。 是6比3。 人类*（注：此处可能是笔误，原意可能是humanity*表示对人类的讽刺或修正） >是6比3

The ruling means everything for Trump's political credibility. After November it will be business as usual making rightards impotently seethe when Democrats dismantle everything that MAGA stands for, by denying the cultists' orange god of its right to any political power, and there'll be less than nothing that Trumptards will be able to do about it.

这项裁决对特朗普的政治信誉来说至关重要。11月之后，一切将回归常态，让那些右翼极端分子无力地怒火中烧——当民主党逐一瓦解“让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）所代表的一切时，通过剥夺他们那位“橙色神祇”任何政治权力的合法性，特朗普支持者将几乎什么都做不了。

Trump is irrelevant and the SCOTUS know it.

特朗普已经无关紧要了，最高法院也清楚这一点。

This was one of those cases where literally everyone who isn't a blind partisan knew what the outcome would be, whether they agreed with it or not

这种情况就是那种，但凡不是盲目的党派盲从者，无论你是否赞同结果，都一眼能看透结局的案子。

Anyone who was surprised by this needs to sit down and really look at the media they consume and ask if they're in an intellectual bubble

任何对此感到惊讶的人，都应该坐下来好好审视自己消费的信息来源，问问自己是不是活在一个智力泡沫里

>>1522091

>rounding up people and deporting them

把人抓起来然后驱逐出境

He still thinks they are doing any of that. How cute.

他还真以为他们在那干这些事儿呢，真可爱。

>The Supreme Court upheld Birthright Citizenship, which is too bad for our Country, but we can easily make it up in Congress through Legislation, with the support of the President, that has now been determined during this process. No long and unwieldy Constitutional Amendment is necessary! Congress should start TODAY to work on ending expensive and unfair to our Country, Birthright Citizenship. They will have my Complete and Total Support! President DONALD J. TRUMP

最高法院裁定保留出生公民权，这对我们的国家来说真是糟糕透顶，但我们完全可以在国会通过立法来弥补，并且已经有总统的支持——这一点在此过程中已经确定。根本不需要冗长且难搞的宪法修正案！国会应该从今天开始着手取消那种既昂贵又对我们的国家不公平的出生公民权。我将给予他们完全且绝对的支持！——总统唐纳德·J·特朗普

Oh please please PLEASE waste you last few months before midterms trying to ram through a bill that ignores the 14th amendment and will just be thrown out as unconstitutional immediately if it passes

拜托，求求你们，千万别在期中考前的最后几个月浪费时间去强行通过一项无视第十四条修正案的法案，万一通过了也只会立刻因违宪被扔进废纸堆。

>>1522085

It's all falling apart for you and your cultists, Trumpy.

你和你的邪教分子全都乱成一团了，川普。

>>1522098

The outcome was 5-4. There are a fuckton of blind partisans on the bench, so this decision was unfortunately very much in the air.

结果是5比4。法官席上充斥着大量盲目偏袒的人，所以这个判决真是相当出人意料。

>>1522118

it was 6-3

比分是6-3

>>1522114

humanity*

>>1522122

>it was 6-3

比分是6-3

The constitutional issue was 5-4. Kavanaugh held that the 14th Amendment doesn't guarantee birthright citizenship, but a separate law Congress had passed, and which could be much more easily gotten rid of, conferred citizenship to the people in question.

宪法问题的裁决是5比4。卡瓦诺认为，第十四修正案并不保障出生公民权，但国会通过的另一部法律却赋予了涉案人员公民身份，而这部法律要废除起来要容易得多。

If 1 more justice had flipped the Constitutional issue would have gone the other way.

如果多有一位大法官倒戈，宪法问题的裁决结果就会相反。

4 out of 9 of the members of SCOTUS were prepared to kill the 14th Amendment for partisan reasons.

最高法院9名法官中有4名为了党派利益，准备废除第十四修正案。

>>1522101

ICE has two flights a day out of my nearby regional airport. You are delusional if you think they ever stopped.

从我附近的地区机场，ICE（移民与海关执法局）每天都有两个航班起飞。如果你认为他们曾停止过，那你简直是在做白日梦。

Worst thing is, you cannot enter their tailnumbers on FlightAware even though they are civilian airliners.

最糟糕的是，即使这些是民用客机，你也没法在FlightAware上输入它们的尾号进行查询。

There were 296 "removal" flights just last month ... the most of any month since January '25.

就在上个月，就有296架“驱逐”航班……这是自2025年1月以来的单月最高记录。

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/ice-flight-monitor

>>1522129

>you cannot enter their tailnumbers on FlightAware even though they are civilian airliners

>即使这些是民用客机，你也没法在FlightAware上输入它们的尾号进行查询

Yeah, because leftoids are obsessively stalking the travel paths of a federally regulated form of public transit. That's the kind of shit which puts you on a government watch list.

是啊，因为那些左派疯子会像变态一样疯狂追踪这种受联邦监管的公共交通方式的飞行路径。干这种事儿可是会让你上政府监控名单的。

>>1522134

>just let us run our concentration camps you mean leftists >:(

>你们是想让我们运营集中营，对吧，左派？ >:(

>>1522129

>a trillion deportation flights every day

>每天一万亿次驱逐航班

>muh human rights liberal propaganda source

>那些同样“有原则”的共和党人大喊“去他妈的人民意愿”，强行推进艾蜜莉·奥康纳·巴雷特的确认程序，在大选前整整一周就让她坐上了法官席位，而那时提前投票已经开始了

migger please

咪咪（migger，对黑人的蔑称）求你了

>>1522135

>concentration camps

>集中营

Show me the camps anon.

匿名者，把集中营给我看看。

>>1522138

try to sneak into America. We'll show you.

试试偷渡进美国。我们让你见识见识。

>>1522085

All this means is that we'll have to throw out the Constitution to get rid of the browns, which is probably what they wanted all along.

这一切意味着，为了清除那些“棕色人种”（指西班牙裔等），我们不得不抛弃宪法，而这恐怕正是他们一直以来想要的。

ITT: MIGAs denying that which they were most proud of. Just like Germans in 1945.

主题帖：米格（MIGA，保守派网络论坛用户）们否认他们曾引以为傲的事情。就像1945年的德国人一样。

>2016

>Antonin Scalia eats himself to death in February

>安东宁·斯卡利亚于2月活活把自己吃死

>Principled republicans squeal and howl and clutch their pearls that nine months before a presidential election is too close to seat a SC justice and that the will of the American people should be heard before starting the confirmation process

>自诩有原则的共和党人大喊大叫、咋咋呼呼，捧着他们的珍珠（捂嘴表示震惊），声称在大选前九个月提名最高法院法官为时过早，应等待美国人民的意愿在启动确认程序之前得到体现

>2020

>Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies in mid September

>露丝·巴德·金斯伯格于9月中旬去世

>Those same principled republicans squeal "FUCK THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE" and ram Amy Coney Barrett through the confirmation process, seating her literally one week before the presidential election while early voting has already started

⟩>那些满口原则的共和党政客们一边嚷嚷“去他的人民意愿”，一边强行把艾米·科尼·巴雷特塞进确认流程，在她就任仅一周后、早期投票已经开始的情况下，硬是在总统大选前把她推上席位

>2022

>Amy Coney Barrett is the 6th vote in a SCOTUS majority to overturn Roe v Wade, republicans squeal and celebrate. The ends have justified the slimy, unethical means and now all the fetuses will be safe

>艾蜜莉·奥康纳·巴雷特成为最高法院多数派中推翻“罗诉韦德案”的第六票，共和党人咋咋呼呼并大肆庆祝。目的正当化了手段的卑鄙和不道德，现在所有的胎儿都安全了

>2026

>The number of abortions per year is actually rising in America after a decade long decline before Roe v Wade was overturned

>在“罗诉韦德案”被推翻之前的十年下降趋势后，美国每年的堕胎人数实际上正在上升

>Amy Coney Barrett votes against letting republicans throw out legal mail in ballots in an attempt to steal the 2026 midterms

>艾蜜莉·奥康纳·巴雷特投票反对共和党人企图在2026年中期选举中通过无视合法邮寄选票来偷窃选举结果的计划

>Amy Coney Barrett votes against the republican plan to completely ignore the 14th amendment

>艾蜜莉·奥康纳·巴雷特投票反对共和党人完全无视第十四修正案的计划

Watching the right get fisted up the ass by the monkey's paw they made a wish on to seat ACB has me at levels of schadenfreude that I didn't think were humanly possible

看着右派被他们为了安放ACB（艾蜜莉·奥康纳·巴雷特）而许愿得到的“猴爪”狠狠坑了一记，这种幸灾乐祸的感觉达到了我从未想过人类能有的程度

I hope Amy Coney Barrett lives to be 100

我希望艾米·科尼·巴雷特能活到一百岁

>>1522144

>>The number of abortions per year is actually rising in America after a decade long decline before Roe v Wade was overturned

>>在罗诉韦德案被推翻之前，堕胎数量曾长达十年持续下降，但如今这个数字实际上正在美国上升

This is really the craziest part

这真的是最疯狂的部分

With Roe v Wade they didn't ban abortion, but they were able to make it prohibitively expensive and unattainable for women living in red hellholes

有了罗诉韦德案，他们并没有禁止堕胎，但却能让生活在“红色地狱”（指保守派州）的女性面临高昂费用和难以获得的问题

But after the ban? That really kicked off mail order mifepristone

但在禁令之后？这真的开启了邮寄米非司酮（堕胎药）的时代

>>1522144

>Cheering for brown people

>为棕色人种欢呼

Anon, do better.

Anon，干点人事吧。

>>1522147

Why? You're the one who voted for this three times

为什么？你可是投了三次赞成票的人

>>1522148

Because you should choose your own team.

因为你应该选择自己的阵营。

>>1522149

but we're not mediocre sex offenders

但我们不是平庸的性犯罪者

I'll stick with Team America, thank you

我还是站“美国队”吧，谢谢

>>1522149

Which team is helping out white people, in your estimation?

在你看来，哪个阵营是在帮助白人？

>>1522144

I don't, she's an affront to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's legagy by doing everything to udnermine it, just like sexual harasser and fascist Clarence Thomas continues you destroy Thurmond Marshal's legacy

我并不这么认为，她所做的一切都在破坏鲁斯·巴德·金斯伯格的遗产，简直像性骚扰者和法西斯分子克拉伦斯·托马斯那样，继续摧毁瑟蒙德·马歇尔的遗产

The faster the courts are fully reformed, the better off we'll be.

法院彻底改革得越快，我们就会过得越好。

>>1522150

>I'll stick with Team America

>我还是站“美国队”

By siding with non-Americans?

通过与非美国人站在一起？

>>1522155

The United States Constitution says everyone born on US soil save for the children of foreign diplomats is an American citizen

美国宪法规定，除外国外交官子女外，凡在美国领土出生者均为美国公民

The Supreme Court of the United States , which consists of nine justices nominated by the President of the United States and confirmed by the United States Senate, reiterated that today

美国最高法院，由九名由美国总统提名并经参议院确认的大法官组成，今天再次重申了这一点

If you're saying you're in opposition of the Constitution and SCOTUS, you are the anti-American one, my friend

如果你说你是反对宪法和最高法院的，那你才是反美分子，我的朋友

>>1522156

If I shit in the kitchen, does that make it food?

如果我在厨房拉屎，那算食物吗？

>>1522157

If you had an actual point, you'd make it instead of trying to fall back on a weak metaphor

如果你真有观点，就直说，别指望靠一个蹩脚的比喻蒙混过关

But you don't. You're just a seething anti-American loser who hates the Constitution and the institutions created by and to uphold the Constitution.

但你就是没有。你只是个充满怨气的反美失败者，你讨厌宪法以及由宪法确立和维护的制度。

>>1522155

>non-Americans?

You're just a bad AI script, aren't you ESL shill?

你只是个蹩脚的AI脚本，对吧？英语二笔（非母语者）的托儿？

>>1522163

The only thing you're telling me is that you would gladly eat shit if a legal expert told you it was food. You have the reasoning skills of a literal dog.

你唯一想表达的是，如果法律专家告诉你那是食物，你就乐意去吃屎。你的推理能力也就跟一条真正的狗差不多。

>>1522169

And the only thing you're telling anyone is you despise the Constitution, SCOTUS, and a majority of the citizenry of the United States

而你对所有人唯一想表达的，就是你憎恨宪法、最高法院以及美国大部分公民

Because you're a seething anti-American shill who only cares about your own easily manipulated feelings, which you believe outweigh every legal institution enshrined in the Constitution.

因为你只是个充满怨气的反美托儿，只关心你自己那容易被操纵的感情，你认为这些感情凌驾于宪法所确立的所有法律制度之上。

>>1522172

They're a seething anti-American ESL shill who is projecting their programmed love of eating shit onto actual free Americans

他们只是个充满怨气的反美英语二笔托儿，正在把他们被编程的“爱吃屎”的喜好投射到真正自由的美国人身上

lmao

It's all falling apart for you and your cultists, Trumpy.

你和你的邪教分子全都乱成一团了，川普。

With no error in the original post >>1522114.

原帖>>1522114没有任何错误。

Those who worship Trump eat shit, but actual Americans would never think of doing so.

那些崇拜特朗普的人吃屎，但真正的美国人绝不会这么想。

>>1522085

>The Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment

>第十四修正案的起草者

That would be Reconstructionists, a.k.a. the new "founding fathers". Except these founders tore the country clean in half as part of its founding. You love to see it.

那应该是重建主义者，也就是新的“开国元勋”。只不过这些“元勋”在建国过程中把国家彻底撕成了两半。我就爱看这种热闹。

Peace,

>*clap*

love,

>*clap*

and unity, y'all!

还有unity，大家伙儿！

>esl shills pitiable third world education has them confusing the two sides of the civil war

>esl水军在卖惨第三世界教育，让他们把内战的两方搞混了

>>1522209

I'll bet your libtard DEI woke socialist education didn't even teach you about how Fort Sumter threw itself at those innocent Confederate cannonballs

我打赌你那套自由派废柴DEI觉醒社会主义教育根本就没教过你，萨姆特堡是怎么把自己撞向那些无辜的邦联炮弹的

>>1522085

The Constitution really is a worthless piece of paper after all. Oh, well.

宪法果然是一张废纸。唉，算了。

>>1522209

>>1522210

The North and South actually swapped sides. It was called the Confederate strategy

北方和南方其实是调换了阵营。这叫邦联策略

https://www.independent.org/article/2021/11/22/the-new-blue-confederacy/

Why are progressive regions of the country—especially in the old major liberal cities (e.g., Chicago, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Portland, San Francisco, Seattle)—institutionalizing de facto racial quotas through “proportional representation” based on “disparate impact”? Why are they promoting ethnic and racial chauvinism, such as allowing college students to select the race of their own roommates, calibrating graduation ceremonies by skin color and tribe, segregating campus “safe spaces” by race, and banning literature that does not meet commissariat diktats?

为什么国家的进步地区——尤其是那些老牌自由派大城市（如芝加哥、洛杉矶、明尼阿波利斯、纽约、波特兰、旧金山、西雅图）——正通过基于“差异影响”的“比例代表制”制度化地实行事实上的种族配额？为什么他们 promoted 种族和民族沙文主义，比如允许大学生自选室友的种族，按肤色和族群定制毕业典礼，按种族隔离校园“安全空间”，并禁止不符合“宣传部门教条”的文学作品？

Why are they turning into one-party political fiefdoms separating the rich and poor, increasingly resembling feudal societies as members of the middle class flee or disappear? What does it mean that they are becoming more and more intolerant in their cancel culture, and quasi-religious intolerance of dissent, on issues from climate change and abortion-on-demand to critical race theory and wokeness?

为什么他们正在变成一党政治的封地，将富人和穷人割裂开来，随着中产阶级逃离或消失，越来越像封建社会？在气候变化、堕胎权、批判性种族理论和觉醒主义等问题上，他们的取消文化和对异见的类宗教式不宽容日益加剧，这意味着什么？

Isn’t it strange that there are entire states and regions wholly reliant on the money and power of “one-crop” Big Tech monopolies? And why, in the 21st century no less, are Democratic-controlled counties, cities, and entire states nullifying federal law?

整个州和地区完全依赖“单一作物”式的大型科技垄断公司的资金和权力，这难道不奇怪吗？还有，为什么在21世纪，由民主党控制的县、市乃至整个州都在使联邦法律失效？

In archetypal “states’ rights” fashion, blue-state “sanctuary cities” are as defiant of the federal government as the Old South was when it claimed immunity from federal jurisdiction—all the way from the nullification crisis of 1830-1833 to George Wallace in 1963 blocking the door at the University of Alabama

以典型的“州权”姿态，蓝色州（民主党主导州）的“庇护城市”对抗联邦政府的态度，就像旧南方声称免受联邦司法管辖时一样——从1830-1833年的废止危机，到1963年乔治·华莱士在阿拉巴马大学门口挡在入学学生前面，皆是如此。

>>1522218

why is your shift so late? all the americans are going to bed soon

你的轮班怎么这么晚？所有美国人马上都要去睡觉了

>>1522085

>political community

>政治共同体

Where does the Constitution define this very dystopian-sounding abstraction? I'd hate to accuse Roberts of pulling it entirely out of his arse.

宪法在哪里定义了这种听起来极反乌托邦的抽象概念？我可不想指责罗伯茨完全是从他的屁眼里掏出来的。

>>1522220

apparently you'd hate to get a real job too

显然，你似乎也不想找份正经工作

>>1522221

Yeah, and?

那又怎样？

>>1522219

If you won't respond to the body of my comment why should I respond to yours?

如果你不回应我的评论主体，我为什么要回应你的？

Ask yourself: in the decades following the conclusion of the Civil War in April 1865, how might the reunited American public have answered the following hypothetical questions:

问问你自己：在1865年4月内战结束后的几十年里，重新统一的美国公众可能会如何回答以下假设性问题：

One-hundred-fifty-six years from now, in the year 2021, where in the United States will Americans most likely discriminate on the basis of race?

从那时起一百五十六年后的2021年，美国最可能在哪些地方基于种族进行歧视？

Where will citizens squabble over the racial percentages of ancestral bloodlines, and schools admit or reject students in part on the DNA of an applicant?

公民会在哪些地方为祖先血统的种族比例争吵，学校又会根据申请人的DNA部分录取或拒绝学生？

Where will free speech and expression become most endangered?

言论和表达自由在哪些地方会变得最岌岌可危？

Where will states’ rights boosters deny federal officers the right to enforce federal law?

州权论者会在哪里拒绝联邦官员执行联邦法律的权利？

Where will the major cities be the most unsafe and the middle classes the most embattled? And from which regions of the country will people flee, and to which will they migrate?

哪些大城市会最不安全，中产阶级会陷入最激烈的困境？人们会从美国的哪些地区逃离，又迁徙到哪些地方？

Of course, in the century-and-a-half since the end of the Civil War, we have become in a certain sense a homogenizing country. Gender studies programs at, say, the University of Texas are not that much different from those at Yale. The same types of homeless are found in downtown Atlanta as well as in San Francisco.

当然，在内战结束的一个半世纪里，我们在某种意义上已经变成了一个同质化的国家。比如说，德克萨斯大学的性别研究项目和耶鲁大学的没什么太大区别。在亚特兰大市中心和旧金山，看到的无家可归者类型也大同小异。

But there is a growing red state/blue state divide—encompassing an economic, cultural, social, and political totality. The public seems to sense that the blue-state model is the more hysterically neo-Confederate, and the red state the calmer and more Union-like. The former appears more unsustainable and intolerant, the latter is increasingly more livable and welcoming.

但红州和蓝州之间的分歧越来越大——涵盖了经济、文化、社会和政治的方方面面。公众似乎感觉到，蓝州模式是更歇斯底里的新南方邦联风格，而红州则更冷静、更像联邦。前者显得更不可持续、更不容异见，而后者则越来越宜居、更受欢迎。

The people themselves are voting with their U-Hauls. They are fleeing New York, Chicago, Los Angeles or San Francisco

人们正开着他们的 U-Haul 搬家卡车投票。他们正逃离纽约、芝加哥、洛杉矶或旧金山。

>>1522222

I think he's going to call you an ESL shill only posting here for a paycheck. I wonder what the motivation of the guy calling everyone else ESL shills is. What does he get out of it?

我想他会叫你个 ESL 托，说你就为了发帖领稿费才在这儿晃悠。我挺好奇那个叫所有人都是 ESL 托的家伙到底图啥？他能从中得到什么？

>>1522223

if you think i can take your article seriously, then you can't be taken seriously

如果你以为我能认真看待你的文章，那你自己也别指望被当真。

>>1522085

The constitution literally couldn't be any clearer on this subject, how the fuck did THREE judges dissent?

宪法在这方面简直明确得不能再明确了，法官们到底他妈是怎么三位一起做出反对意见的？

>>1522094

You tried that last time. It didn't work out well.

你上次试过那招了，结果并不好。

>>1522230

One could be forgiven for thinking that illegals weren't subject to American jurisdiction based on the years that federal judges spent shoo-ing them out the back of the courthouse with no punitive consequences for anyone involved. Maybe you'll get the satisfaction of having literally everyone agree with your point of view next time nonetheless.

鉴于联邦法官多年来总是把非法移民从法院后门赶出去，且对涉案人员没有任何惩罚后果，人们不禁会以为这些人不受美国司法管辖。不过也许下次你能获得一种满足感：所有人都同意你的观点。

>tfw the highest court in the land rules that a baby born from the result of Tijuana donkey show has the same legal claim to citizenship as you so long as its born on American soil

>twt 发现美国最高法院裁定，只要是在美国本土出生，哪怕是个在蒂华纳驴子表演中出生的婴儿，和你拥有同等合法的公民权主张

>>1522085

This never should have come before the court in the first place.

这案子根本就不该提交给法院审理。

>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

>所有在美国出生或归化并受其管辖的人，都是美国及他们居住的州的公民。任何州不得制定或执行任何剥夺美国公民特权或豁免权的法律；也不得未经正当法律程序而剥夺任何人的生命、自由或财产；更不得在其管辖范围内拒绝给予任何人法律平等保护。

That's the 14th Amendment. If you're born here, you're a citizen, period. There is no debate to be had, there is interpretation you could use to say otherwise, that's what it says. That these fascist freaks even entertained the possibility of overruling the fucking constitution is proof of how far we've fallen, how bad it's gotten, and everyone who voted in favor of doing so needs to be impeached immediately. America has no future with these people running it.

那是第十四修正案。只要出生在这里就是公民，没得商量。没有什么可争辩的，就算你硬要扯什么“司法解释”来反驳，条文本身就是这样写的。这些法西斯变态居然敢妄想推翻宪法，这就充分证明了我们已经堕落到何种地步，局势有多糟糕，所有支持这么做的人都该立刻被弹劾。让这些人掌控美国，美国毫无未来。

>>1522230

Because they're traitors to this country and actively want to end our democracy.

因为他们是这个国家的叛徒，且积极想要终结我们的民主。

>>1522247

Yup. Been that way since 1868 and it better fucking stay that way.

没错。自1868年以来一直如此，而且他妈的必须保持这样。

>>1522259

Not for you to say.

轮不到你说。

>>1522260

>and it better fucking stay that way.

>而且他妈的必须保持这样。

Or else what?

不然呢？

>>1522277

>Not for you to say.

>轮不到你说。

It is, actually, because I can fucking read and that is what these words mean.

轮得到，因为我他妈会读书，而这些字的意思就是这样。

>b-b-but the supreme court gets to-

>b-b-but 最高法院有权-

No they fucking don't. Interpreting the constitution does not mean ignoring the constitution.

他们才他妈没有。解释宪法并不意味着无视宪法。

>>1522259

>That's the 14th Amendment.

>那是第十四修正案。

>overruling the fucking constitution

>推翻他妈的宪法

>Amendment

So, uh... I am in favor of the 14th Amendment. We're on the same side here.

所以，呃……我是支持第十四修正案的。我们在这点上是一边的。

I just think claiming it's good because it's in the constitution is circular reasoning, and we should believe and argue positions for good reasons, not just because they're old.

我只是觉得，仅仅因为它在宪法里就声称它好，这是循环论证。我们应该基于充分的理由去相信和辩论，而不是仅仅因为它历史悠久。

That said, these people have made life drastically worse for all of us; control needs to be wrestled away from them ASAP, and a ton of them need prison time for their naked corruption.

话虽如此，这些人让我们的生活 drastically 恶化了；必须尽快从他们手中夺回控制权，而且他们中很多人因赤裸裸的腐败需要坐牢。

>>1522279

Not really, fag.

才不是呢，gay子。

>and it better fucking stay that way.

>而且他妈的必须保持这样。

Or else what?

不然呢？

>>1522285

>That said, these people have made life drastically worse for all of us; control needs to be wrestled away from them ASAP, and a ton of them need prison time for their naked corruption.

>话虽如此，这些人让我们的生活 drastically 恶化了；必须尽快从他们手中夺回控制权，而且他们中很多人因赤裸裸的腐败需要坐牢。

Illegals and Democrats are pretty terrible.

非法移民和民主党人都挺烂的。

Cultists tried that in 2020. It didn't work out well, 1522236

邪教徒在2020年试过那一套。结果并不美好，1522236

>2024

It's not working out two years later. Five months from now, it won't work out when there's a Democrat-led Senate & HoR, and Trump & the Republicans can do nothing, then two years from now MAGA is dead. It'll never work out for rightards after that.

现在也还没见效。再过五个月，民主党将控制参众两院，特朗普和共和党将无事可做，到时局面将不会顺利。再过两年，MAGA就死了。在那之后，右派再也不会得逞。

You can try, but it'll never work out again, cultists.

你可以试试，但邪教徒，你们永远不会再得逞。

The SCOTUS prove your opinions wrong. If you think you know better than them, why aren't you a member of the SCOTUS? The fact you're a nothing that never passed the bar exam means there never was a debate or the US would be exactly as you would want it to be. But it isn't. And never will be. Your opinions & interpretations will always be wrong. You & your eternally wrong opinions have no future because of that 250-year old piece of paper and the SCOTUS who will always prove your opinions more than wrong.

最高法院证明了你是错的。如果你认为自己比他们懂，那你干嘛没进最高法院？你只是个连律师资格考试都没过的无名小卒，这说明根本不存在辩论，否则美国就会完全如你所愿。但事实并非如此，也永远不会是。你的观点和解释永远都是错的。你和你那些永远错误的观点没有未来，因为那篇250年前的文件和最高法院总是会证明你错得离谱。

>the orange thing that loaded the SCOTUS to its advantage: only for that to blow up in its own face.

>那个为了有利局面而推举了最高法院的“橙色东西”：结果最终搬起石头砸了自己的脚。

And here you are now, with a SCOTUS you don't like. You voted for this, 1522259

而现在你面对的是一个你不喜欢的最高法院。这是你投票选出来的，1522259

>This never should have

>这从来就不应该

If wishes were currency, you would be homeless and starving. Your wrong opinions have & always will be impeached. The likes of you will never have a future. Good.

要是愿望能当钱使，你早就无家可归、饥寒交迫了。你那套歪理邪说注定被弹劾，而且永远都会如此。像你这种人永远没前途。太好了。

An orange thing married to the First Whore - an illegal - and Republicans are always terrible

一个橙货跟那个“第一妓女”——一个非法移民——结婚——还有共和党人一贯烂透了

>>1522292

Dems are, that's why they're getting buttfucked in elections by social dems time and again. Illegals are a negative tax burden.

民主党就是烂透了，所以他们在选举里一次又一次被社会民主党人干得屁滚尿流。非法移民是个负面的税收负担。

I think the adjudicated rapist pedotus enriching himself by billions is doing a bit more damage though.

不过我觉得，那个经裁定犯有强奸罪、靠欺诈自己敛财数十亿的“伪教皇”，造成的伤害其实更大。

>>1522316

>that's why they're getting buttfucked in elections by social dems time and again

>所以他们在选举里一次又一次被社会民主党人干得屁滚尿流

Four or five primaries out of 31 primaries Dems have had this year. All in deep, deep, blue districts.

今年民主党搞了31场初选，这种案子也就占了四五场。而且全都是在深蓝选区。

>the adjudicated rapist

>经裁定犯有强奸罪

No Court has found him guilty of "rape", which is a criminal offence and requires a specific jury charge and finding of fact by a jury.

没有任何法院认定他“强奸”有罪，强奸是刑事犯罪，需要陪审团特定的指控和事实认定。

>>1522324

don't rape anyone ok esl shill

别强奸任何人，好吧，你这个英语差的托儿

>>1522324

Trump is a rapist, and in the english language that means that they have raped.

特朗普是个强奸犯，在英语里这就意味着他强奸过。

You're welcome for the free english lesson

免费英语课，不客气

>>1522327

Carrol v. Trump

卡罗尔诉特朗普案

>Jury answered "No" to whether Carroll proved, by a preponderance of evidence, that Trump raped her.

>陪审团对“卡罗尔是否以优势证据证明特朗普强奸了她”这个问题回答“否”。

>Jury answered "Yes" that Trump sexually abused her.

>陪审团回答“是”，特朗普对她进行了性虐待。

Confirmed on appeal by the Second Circuit.

第二巡回上诉法院已维持原判。

I get it, you're not particularly well educated so these things are hard for you. But you really should try do some reading before you flap your cock-holster, it will save you the humiliation.

我懂，你教育程度不高，所以这些东西对你来说很难。但你真该在秀你那把鸡巴枪之前多读点书，这样能省下不少丢人现眼的麻烦。

>>1522329

do you have to insert your repressed homosexuality into every post, esl shill

你非得把你压抑的同性恋情结塞进每一条评论里吗，你这个英语差的托儿

>>1522329

If you sexually abuse someone against their will, what does that make you?

如果你违背他人意愿进行性虐待，那你算个什么？

I'll give you a hint:

给你个提示：

Rape: any sexual activity, with or without penetration, that takes place without the consent of one of the people involved.

强奸：指在没有当事人双方同意的情况下发生的任何性活动，无论是否有插入。

Whats the english word for someone who commits rape? Its not hard ESL shill, the answers in this thread.

犯下强奸罪的人用英语叫什么词？不难吧，英语差的托儿，答案就在这贴子里。

>>1522334

You said he was an "adjudicated" rapist. That statement is 100% false. The Jury ruled that he did not rape Carrol.

你说他是“经裁定犯有强奸罪”的人。这话百分之百是错的。陪审团裁定他没有强奸卡罗尔。

>>1522334

>Rape: any sexual activity, with or without penetration, that takes place without the consent of one of the people involved.

>强奸：指在没有当事人双方同意的情况下发生的任何性活动，无论是否有插入。

Thats not the definition of rape.

那可不是强奸的定义。

>>1522335

You seem very invested in claiming Trump doesn't meet the criminal definition of rape despite clearly meeting societal definitions of rape.

看来你很执着于声称特朗普不符合强奸的刑事定义，尽管他明显符合社会层面的强奸定义。

And thats fine, because your'e a shill paid to defend billionaire pedophiles.

这也没关系，因为你是个拿钱替亿万富翁恋童癖洗地的托儿。

But Trump is definitively a rapist. Sorry, you already lost.

但特朗普毫无疑问就是个强奸犯。抱歉，你已经输了。

>>1522337

Thats an easy BTFO: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

>>1522340

>make untrue statement

>做出不实陈述

>homg you're so invested in pointing out the statement is untrue!

>嘿，你这么热衷指出这话不实！

Why are you so invested in defending an untrue statement?

你为什么这么执着于为一个不实陈述辩护？

>Thats an easy BTFO:

>这是个简单的打脸：

>https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

Yes, look at the first definition (which you ignored)

是的，看看第一个定义（你忽略的那个）

>unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration.

>未经同意，使用性器官、身体其他部位或异物对他人阴道、肛门或口腔进行非法性交或其他任何形式的性穿透，无论是否使用武力。

Which matches the legal standard applied in the case: New York Penal Law § 130.35

这与案件中适用的法律标准一致：《纽约州刑法》第130.35条

I think we're dealing with an IQ problem here.

我觉得我们这是在跟智商问题打交道。

>>1522342

you sure have a humiliating life

你的生活真是相当丢人现眼

So sad this wasn't a 8-1 decision upholding birthright citizenship.

真可惜这不是一个8比1维持出生公民权的判决。

(Clarence Thomas doesn't even pretend anymore)

（克拉伦斯·托马斯甚至不再伪装了）

>>1522343

Its a good thing for them all the negative meanings for humiliation are in the second definition so they can ignore that

幸亏他们把“羞辱”的所有负面含义都放在第二个定义里了，这样他们就可以无视那些含义

>>1522343

>>1522346

>gets btfo

>被彻底碾压

>starts samefagging

>开始跟风复读

Many such cases. SAD!

类似案例多得很。悲哀！

So what did establishing that Trump is definitively a rapist mean for this thread anyway?

所以，坐实特朗普是强奸犯这个事实，对本帖究竟有啥意义？

That he's shitting out anchor babies?

是说他在制造“锚定婴儿”（出生公民权婴儿）吗？

There's other threads about his other rape cases going through the justice system

还有其他线程在讨论他正在走司法程序的其他强奸案

>>1522347

you're projecting again

你又在投射心理了

>>1522342

No,.everyone stop, the retarded shill is technically right, and admitting when we're wrong is the difference between us and them. Trump didn't legally rape E Jean Caroll, he only raped her colloquially, legally he just sexually assaulted her and defamed her.

不，大家都停下，这个弱智水军从技术上说是正确的，承认错误正是我们与他们之间的区别。特朗普在法律上并没有强奸伊恩·卡罗尔，他只是从言语/俗称上强奸了她；法律上，他只是对她构成了性侵犯和诽谤。

So trump isn't an adjudicated rapist, he's an adjudicated sex offender. Congrats.

所以特朗普不是被裁定为强奸犯，而是被裁定为性犯罪者。恭喜了。

Now, do you realize defending the technical difference between a rapist and a sex offender makes you look about as good as defending the difference between a pedophile and an ehebephile?

现在，你意识到吗？为强奸犯和性犯罪者之间的技术差异辩护，这让你看起来就像在为恋童癖者和恋少年癖者之间的差异辩护一样不堪。

Congrats, you fought so hard for that win to defend a pedophile rapist. I hope being technically correct feels good you fascist faggot.

恭喜，你为了赢得这场胜利，竟去为恋童癖强奸犯辩护。希望你为技术上的正确感到满意，你这法西斯混球。

>>1522356

>he's an adjudicated sex offender

>他是被裁定为性犯罪者

He's not an adjudicated sex offender either. That's a criminal offence, this was a civil trial.

他连被裁定为性犯罪者都算不上。那是刑事罪名，这是一场民事审判。

>defend a pedophile rapist

>为恋童癖强奸犯辩护

You just concede that he is not a rapist, and you're adding a new accusation that he is a pedo? Someone is the BIG MAD xd

你刚才都承认他不是强奸犯了，现在又给他加上恋童癖的新指控？某人真是暴跳如雷啊 xd

>>1522358

He didn't meet the legal definition of being a rapist in the E Jean Carol case. That doesn't mean he's that he's not a rapist.

他在伊恩·卡罗尔案中未达到法律定义的强奸犯标准。但这并不意味着他不是强奸犯。

If you're big mad, take some deep breaths.

如果你真是暴跳如雷，那就深呼吸几次吧。

He admits to being a pedophile, he brags about watching underage girls dressing in pageants, and says creepy things to underage girls constantly.

他承认自己是恋童癖，他吹嘘自己观看未成年女孩参加选美比赛，并频繁对未成年女孩说些令人毛骨悚然的话。

You're right, he's not an adjudicated sex offender either, he's immune from criminal prosecution.

你说得对，他也不是被裁定为性犯罪者，他享有刑事起诉豁免权。

This would be like if there was a bowl of shit on the counter, and someone told you it was oatmeal. You just took a big spoonful and are smacking it around in your mouth. "Nope, it's just shit!" "Are you sure it isn't cereal? I think it's cereal!" *takes another bite*"Nope, stupid liggeral miggeral figgeral, it's JUST shit."

这就好比柜台上放着一碗屎，有人告诉你那是燕麦片。你舀了一大勺放进嘴里，还吧唧吧唧地吃。“没错，就是屎！”“你确定不是麦片吗？我觉得是麦片！” *又吃了一口*“不，你这蠢货，这 JUST 是屎。”

>>1522361

>That doesn't mean he's that he's not a rapist.

>这并不意味着他不是强奸犯。

Jury found that he is not a rapist.

陪审团认定他不是强奸犯。

>He admits to being a pedophile

>他承认自己是恋童癖

No, he does not.

不，他并没有。

>this would be like...

>这就像……

This would be like you saying some stupid shit and me correcting you, followed by you being upset about being corrected.

这就好比你说了一些蠢话，我来纠正你，然后你因为被纠正而生气。

>>1522363

do you really defend billionaire rapist pedophiles for free

你真就免费为那些亿万富翁强奸犯和恋童癖辩护吗

>>1522366

>correcting the ignorant shit you say

>纠正你那些无知的废话

>defending anyone

>辩护任何人

If you want an echo chamber maybe you should go back to r*ddit.

如果你想要回声室效应，或许你该回 r*ddit 去。

>>1522369

because it's pretty bizarre. how did you end up in this position?

因为这挺离谱的。你是怎么混成这样的？

>>1522363

>Jury him liable for sexual assault and defamation, but he didn't meet the strict legal definition of rape.

>裁定他对性侵犯和诽谤负有民事责任，但他不符合强奸的严格法律定义。

Cool, let's look at technical terms, and not focus on his disgusting actions.

好吧，那我们来谈谈术语，别关注他那令人作呕的行径。

>No, he does not.

>不，他没有。

Oh, sorry, you're right again, he admits to being an ehebephile, what an important distinction.

哦，抱歉，你又对了，他承认自己是个恋幼童癖者（hebephile），这区别可太重要了。

How's the shit taste?

那坨屎什么味儿？

>>1522371

Its bizarre that you would say some incorrect shit and someone would say "anon, that statement is incorrect"?

真够奇葩的，你说点错的，别人说你“anon，这句不对”，你就炸毛了？

>>1522372

>Cool, let's look at technical terms

>好吧，那我们来谈谈术语

Yes, the initial statement relied on technical language saying he is an "adjudicated rapist". The statement is wholly incorrect.

对，最初的声明用了术语说他是个“已被判定为强奸犯”。这说法完全错误。

>he admits to being an ehebephile

>他承认自己是个恋幼童癖者

He does not.

他没有。

Half the thread is now off-topic garbage being posted by people that are most likely ban-evading.

帖子现在有一半都在跑题扯淡，发的多半是那些试图规避封禁的人。

>Here's why that's a good thing.

>这就是为什么这挺好的。

>>1522375

remind us, did trump (rapist) say

提醒一下，特朗普（强奸犯）说过

>“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything"

>“我天生就被美女吸引——我直接就开始亲她们，就像被磁铁吸住一样。就是亲。我连等都不用等。当你成了明星，他们就会让你为所欲为。你想干嘛就干嘛”

or not

还是没说过

>>1522260

We didn't vote to let browns in, you absolute faggot. People had to be forced at literal gunpoint to allow minorities to have rights and representation here.

我们根本没投票让黑人进来，你这个纯种的同性恋。人们是在枪口下被迫让少数族裔获得权利和代表权的。

If democracy were working as intended, we would have been allowed to kill everyone south of a California Tan in America.

如果民主按其初衷运作，我们本来就被允许杀掉美国境内墨西哥湾以南的所有人。

>We

non american shill thinks this is proof, or something

外国托班觉得这是证据，或者什么的

>>1522085

The same MSM that wants to convince us that the US lost against Iran also wants us to believe that Trump lost 3 times in a week. We all know they're lying. They know they're lying. fuck the left, fuck Israel, and fuck the MSM

同一批主流媒体既想忽悠我们相信美国输给了伊朗，又让我们相信特朗普一周内输了三次。我们都知道他们在撒谎，他们也知道自己在撒谎。去他妈的左派，去他妈的以色列，去他妈的媒体

>>1522382

get a real job esl shill

找个正经工作吧，英语非母语的水军

>>1522378

>We didn't vote

>我们没投票

I know.

我知道。

>We

Hi, foreign esl shill 1522378 that will never vote in USA because you're not American.

嗨，外国英语非母语者托儿 1522378，因为你不是美国人，所以永远没法在美国投票。

Anchor baby away, scotus says it is allowed.

-anchor 婴儿滚粗，最高法院说这样允许。

>>1522395

Can you prove you are American?

你能证明你是美国人吗？

>>1522471

That Indian bot can't even prove it's human.

那个印度机器人连自己是不是人类都证明不了。

Just ignore Durgesh AI, and let it spam the board with hundreds of thousands more "esl shill" posts.

无视 Durgesh AI 就行，让它用成千上万条“英语非母语者托儿”的帖子刷屏吧。

1522471

1522474

>both needing meds for reasons, including projection

>两者都需要吃药，原因包括投射作用

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

Have you guys ever looked at a map of Europe and saw how many countries granted you citizenship just by being born there?

你们有没有看过欧洲地图，看看有多少国家只要在那里出生就给你公民身份？

Have you guys ever seen a map of voter ID requirements in Europe?

你们有没有看过欧洲的选民身份证要求地图？

Just wondering if you guys have any context

只是好奇你们有没有什么背景知识

>>1522489

What medication do I need?

我需要吃什么药？

You keep making fun of other people saying they're not really American and English isn't their first language. Can you prove to us you are American and English is your first language?

你老是对别人说他们不算真正的美国人，英语不是母语，这有什么好嘲笑的？你能证明你是美国人，且英语是你的第一语言吗？

>>1522549

god you're esl

天哪，你是ESL（英语非母语者）吧

>>1522169

Your metaphor is retarded and gay. It’s more like the restaurant we went to every Saturday got a worse set of cooks, their health rating with from an A to an B less people go there now, but you begged to go , you got your your slop like always but it came out a little tougher than normal and you called it shit, is it shit or is it just the bullshit you have been asking for by being anti empathy for the last 14 years.

你的比喻既弱智又基情四射。这更像是我们每周六都去的那家餐厅，厨师换了一批又一批，手艺越来越差，卫生评级从A掉到B，去的客人越来越少了，但你还是求着要去，照常吃你的泔水，只是这次稍微硬了点，你就骂骂咧咧说难吃。这到底是难吃，还是因为你这十四年来一直缺乏同理心、自找的报应？

Can you prove you're not an esl foreigner, 1522549? Or perhaps that question doesn't need to be asked:

你能证明你不是个ESL（英语为非母语）的外国人吗，1522549？或者这个问题其实根本不用问：

>us

Because you always answer it before it needs to be asked. And why you need meds, 1522549?:

因为你总是在问题被问出之前就先回答了。还有，1522549，为什么你需要吃药：

>You keep making fun of other people saying they're not really American and English isn't their first language

>你老是对别人说他们不算真正的美国人，英语不是母语

Again, you always answer the question before it needs to be asked.

再说一遍，你总是在问题被问出之前就先回答了。

You're not really American and English.

你不是真正的美国人，英语也不是你的第一语言。

>>1522093

Adopted children from Haiti aren't eligible for birthright citizenship.

从海地领养的孩子没有资格获得出生地公民权。

>>1522149

Racebaiting fags are so annoying

搞种族煽动的同性恋真让人烦