/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE

Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Provide specific use cases

提供具体使用场景

State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

说明BUDGET（预算）和COUNTRY（国家），否则绝不帮

>CASE

mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3/B4, XT M3

mATX 机箱：AP201、联力 A3/B4、XT M3

ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360 Flow, HAF II 500

ATX 机箱：XT PRO (ULTRA)、Lancool 207/217、Flux Pro、Meshify 3、4000D FRAME、X50、BF360 Flow、HAF II 500

Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

双腔: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU

Budget: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225F, 12400F, 5600/X

预算款：7500F、7/9600/X、225F、12400F、5600/X

Gaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800X3D

游戏：9850X3D、9/7800X3D、250K、5800X3D

Workstation: 9950X/3D(2), 9900X/3D, 270K

工作站：9950X/3D（双），9900X/3D，270K

>COOLER

AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Nautilus RS, Silent Loop 3, Noctua NL-LC1

一体水冷：Thermalright Frozen Edge、Cooler Master Atmos、Lian Li GA II Lite、Nautilus RS、Silent Loop 3、Noctua NL-LC1

Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Phantom Spirit, NH-D15 G2

双塔：A620 PRO SE、Phantom Spirit、NH-D15 G2

ITX/>42mm RAM: AXP120-X67, Mugen 6 Dual Fan

ITX/低于 42mm 的内存：AXP120-X67、Mugen 6 双风扇版

TIM: Duronaut, MX-7, PTM7950* (phase change), KryoSheet (graphene pad)

导热介质：Duronaut、MX-7、PTM7950*（相变）、KryoSheet（石墨烯垫）

*Most online PTM7950 listings are counterfeit

*网上卖的大多数 PTM7950 都是假货

>MOTHERBOARD

Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported

避开ASRock的AM5主板，仍有人反馈CPU退化问题

Choose boards with ALC1220 audio codec when possible

尽可能选择带有 ALC1220 音频编解码器的板

>RAM

DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)

DDR5：2x16GB 或 2x24GB，6000CL30 (AMD)，6400CL32 (Intel)

Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

工作站：2x 32GB (预算型)，2x48GB 或 2x64GB (高端)

DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18

>SSD (update firmware)

>SSD（记得更新固件）

Avoid Crucial, they no longer replace failed SSDs under warranty

避开 Crucial（英睿达），坏盘已经不给保修换新了

DRAMless: (SN)7100, C925G, NM790

无 DRAM：SN7100、C925G、NM790

PCIe Gen 4.0: (SN)850X

Gen 5.0: (SN)8100

https://borecraft.com/

>GPU

Buy the best one you're willing to pay for

买你预算内最好的那块

Avoid poor value entry-level GPUs like RTX 3050 & RX 6500 XT

避开 RTX 3050 和 RX 6500 XT 这类性价比稀烂的入门显卡

>PSU

Buying guide:

购买指南：

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR

Budget: 165/180Hz IPS (24" 1080p / 27" 1440p)

预算款：165/180Hz IPS（24 寸 1080p / 27 寸 1440p）

HDR: discounted OLED or MiniLED (IPS/VA: motion clarity vs. contrast)

HDR：打折的 OLED 或 MiniLED（IPS/VA：运动清晰度对比对比度）

High-end: wait for 2027 OLED releases

高端：等 2027 年的 OLED 新品

Check reviews & owner feedback

看评测和真实用户反馈

>OS

Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

激活 Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS

Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans

机箱建议：自带优质 PWM 风扇的机箱

Midrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P-Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)

中端：Pure Wings 3、Arctic P-Pro（5 连包，高转速时偏吵）

High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

高端风扇：Fractal Momentum、Noctua G2 (140mm 或 120mm)

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>Price tracking

>价格追踪

RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities

SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd

GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026

>2026 GPU 层级排行

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>Monitor Hunter

>显示器猎人

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>PSU Reviews

>电源评测

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

https://www.lttlabs.com/

https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

Tier-list:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews

>存储设备评测

https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)

https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Other helpful Links

>其他有用链接

Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/

German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/

Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

>HDR related

>HDR 相关

Game fixes:

游戏修复：

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database

OLED news:

OLED 新闻：

New stripe RGB QD-OLED panels with higher maximum brightness releasing in 2027 (DisplayHDR True Black 600 certified).

2027 年将发布最高亮度更高的条纹 RGB 子像素排列 QD-OLED 面板（通过 DisplayHDR True Black 600 认证）。

https://global.samsungdisplay.com/31456

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-new-odyssey-lineup-for-fast-paced-gaming-at-gamescom-2026

https://displayhdr.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/DisplayHDR_Chart_2026-July_Full_Table.pdf

>>109803073

>build new pc

>装了台新电脑

>decide to keep the ole rtx 3080

>决定留着原来那张 RTX 3080

>keep getting VIDEO TDR ERROR crashes

>一直报 VIDEO TDR ERROR 死机

troubleshooting says its a driver issue, but all is up to date

排错教程说这是驱动问题，但我全都是最新版

Now i've changed the TdrDelay in winreg hoping it will fix the issue

现在我改了注册表里的 TdrDelay，希望有用

Weirdly the error never happened when gaming but only when watching Youtube videos

诡异的是打游戏从来没崩过，只有看 YouTube 视频时才崩

Is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U for 610 dollars a good deal? It'll be my first OLED panel, what should I know beforehand?

技嘉 Aorus FO32U 卖 610 美元划算吗？这会是我的第一块 OLED 屏，有什么需要提前知道的？

>>109803257

the video encoder/decoder is failing. as for why its complex. cache issue in browser, unstable undervolt, different windows service is hogging it (steam/moonlight streaming)

是视频编解码器在崩。至于为什么这么复杂：浏览器缓存、不稳定降压、别的 Windows 服务在抢占（Steam/Moonlight 串流）

>>109803257

Probably needs a repaste

八成要重新涂硅脂

>>109803257

New PC using AMD CPU?

新电脑用的是 AMD 的 CPU？

AMD's iGPU seems to be a constant cause of issue when using an Nvidia GPU for some reason, but you can just disable it and it shouldn't cause any issue.

不知道为什么，AMD 的核显配英伟达独显的时候老是出问题的根源，不过你可以直接禁用它，应该就不会有任何问题了。

>>109803411

>>109803413

but why would it fail? it worked fine on my old machine

但为什么会崩？在我旧机器上明明好好的

Maybe its some other issue, if the winreg eddit doesn't work i'll put in a 4070 i got laying around

也许是别的问题。要是改注册表没用，我就把闲着的一张 4070 装上试试

>>109803438

when you update or downgrade your gpu driver the cache inside the gpu folder is cleared but not the browser folder or actual other directories. you have to do that manually. the easiest way normies deal with it is by deleting the profile folder and then syncing back all the lost data through the cloud or the local backup shit if the browser has it.

你升级或回滚显卡驱动时，显卡目录里的缓存会清空，但浏览器的缓存和其他目录不会，得手动清。普通人最省事的做法是删掉浏览器配置文件夹，然后靠云同步或者浏览器自带的本地备份把丢的数据同步回来。

>>109803357

>Is the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U for 610 dollars a good deal?

>「技嘉 Aorus FO32U 卖 610 美元划算吗？」

It's okay, been out for around two years now.

还行，出来大概两年了。

I think I saw some 32" 4K QD-OLEDs being discounted to around $550 (not 100% sure), but I wouldn't wait to save the $60 at this pt.

我记得见过一些 32 寸 4K QD-OLED 降价到 550 美元左右（不太确定），但我不建议为省这 60 刀一直等下去。

>It'll be my first OLED panel, what should I know beforehand?

>「这会是我的第一块 OLED 屏，有什么需要提前知道的？」

Some people don't like the text fringing even at 4K, you can get used to the difference after a week or so.

有人不喜欢文字彩边，哪怕是 4K。这个差异差不多一周左右就能习惯。

Check review & owner feedback to see if there's any Gigabyte-exclusive quirks related to panel protection or some other concerns like switching between SDR & HDR modes.

看看评测和真实用户反馈，确认有没有技嘉特有的面板保护相关怪癖，或者 SDR 和 HDR 模式切换之类的其他问题。

>>109803450

i didn't update or downgrade my gpu driver

我没升级也没回滚显卡驱动

i build a new system, using a perfectly fine working rtx 3080

我装了台新机器，用的 RTX 3080 本来好好的

>>109803508

>i didn't update or downgrade my gpu driver

>「我没升级也没回滚显卡驱动」

then start there

那就从这儿查起

>>109803508

Nvidia DRIVER issues since you are using the latest. It's not a /g/ meme. It's a real problem.

你用的是最新驱动，所以是英伟达驱动的锅。这不是 /g/ 的梗，是真问题。

>>109803519

i just got the latest gpu driver on the new system, there is nothing to upgrade or downgrade

新机器上我装的本来就是最新驱动，没什么可升级或回滚的

its the same driver my old system used a few days ago and it worked fine

跟我旧机器几天前用的一样，那时还好好的

>>109803357

The QD-OLED panel can scratch easily, basically don't touch it.

QD-OLED 面板很容易刮花，基本别用手碰它。

Spray distilled water on a microfiber cloth to clean the panel from time to time.

偶尔清洁屏幕时，往超细纤维布上喷蒸馏水。

Cough away from the display.

别对着屏幕咳嗽。

https://www.gigabyte.com/Support/Consumer/FAQ/4362

>>109803473

>been out for around two years now.

>「出来大概两年了。」

have better options been released since?

之后有更好的产品出了吗？

>quirks related to panel protection or some other concerns like switching between SDR & HDR modes.

>「面板保护相关的怪癖，或者 SDR 和 HDR 模式切换之类的其他问题。」

I haven't seen much complaints about these online

网上没见到多少相关抱怨

How annoying is the pixel clean? Apparently it's 10 minutes every 4 hours. Is this really necessary?

像素清理有多烦人？据说每 4 小时要跑 10 分钟。真的有必要吗？

pc keeps crashing getting this. Is it my psu I just built my pc. Postin here before I order a new psu I have a 5600x and rtx 3070

电脑一直崩，报这个错。是我电源的问题吗？电脑是刚装的。下单买新电源前先来这儿问问。我配的是 5600x 加 RTX 3070

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>>109803596

Ur fugged bruh i ran dat ish thru hoodAI and dat shit be cooked my man u need a grapu

兄弟你完蛋了，我拿这事问了下黑哥 AI，那玩意说烧穿了，老兄你得换显卡

>>109803585

>have better options been released since?

>「之后有更好的产品出了吗？」

Not to a significant degree, and they usually cost closer to $1,000.

没有质的提升，而且那些一般要接近 1000 美元。

The 32" 4K panels releasing next year will have stripe RGB subpixel layout with higher maximum brightness (350 nits minimum full screen vs. 250).

明年发布的 32 寸 4K 面板会采用条纹 RGB 子像素排列，最高亮度更高（全屏最低 350 尼特，对比现在的 250）。

Those 2027 QD-panels won't be bested for a while, it will require adopting new production technology like MAX OLED.

那些 2027 年的 QD 面板短期内不会被超越，得等到采用 MAX OLED 之类的新生产工艺才行。

Expect those new monitors to cost around $1500 or more.

预计那些新显示器要 1500 美元往上。

>How annoying is the pixel clean?

>「像素清理有多烦人？」

You might have to plan your breaks around it, and manually start the pixel clean to prevent the annoying notifications to pop up when you're occupied .

你可能得把休息时间围着它来安排，并且手动启动像素清理，免得你正忙时弹出烦人的提示。

>Apparently it's 10 minutes every 4 hours. Is this really necessary?

>「据说每 4 小时要跑 10 分钟。真的有必要吗？」

Not for most users, but there's no way to permanently disable this option as far as I know.

对大多数用户没必要，但据我所知没法永久关掉这个选项。

I got an MSI QD-OLED, and they basically gave you an option to hide the annoying reminder (remind and force pixel clean after 24 hours of non-stop use, monitor enters pixel clean after the 4 hour mark if it enters standby mode).

我的是微星 QD-OLED，它基本给了你一个隐藏烦人提醒的选项（连续使用 24 小时会提醒并强制像素清理；如果到了 4 小时节点时显示器进入待机，就会自动跑像素清理）。

>>109803634

Looks like it's not really worth waiting indeed. There was also another gigabyte for 50 more, mo32u24, but out of stuck now. It's slightly brighter, but I typically tend to have very low brightness so that's not super important for me.

看来确实不值得等。还有一台贵 50 刀的技嘉 mo32u24，但现在缺货了。它稍微亮一点，不过我习惯开很低亮度，所以对我来说不算关键。

>I got an MSI QD-OLED

>「我的是微星 QD-OLED」

Which model?

哪个型号？

>>109803682

Bought the 271QRX in late '24 for $600, got fed up with IPS blacks & VA wasn't a good alternative.

2024 年底 600 美元买的 271QRX，实在受够了 IPS 的黑不下去，VA 也不是好替代。

32" 4K 321URX was $800, but I prefer having higher refresh rates and I'm treating this monitor as a trial run before I buy a 4K one in the future.

32 寸 4K 的 321URX 当时 800 美元，但我更看重高刷新率，而且把这台当试水，以后再买 4K 的。

Happy with the purchase because every game looks better compared to edge-lit IPS.

买得很满意，跟侧光式 IPS 比所有游戏观感都更好。

Wasn't impressed with any of the miniLED monitors available in 2024.

2024 年那些 miniLED 显示器没一个让我动心的。

Here's an extensive article about the new panels available next year.

有一篇详细介绍明年新面板的长文。

https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/oled-rgb-stripe-panels-explained-should-you-wait

people told me to wait for this year's black friday and cyber monday sales but my part list already went up by $200 from last month...??? u-um, bwos...?

大家都叫我等今年黑五和网络星期一的促销，可我的配置单从上个月起已经涨了 200 刀……？？？呃……兄弟们……？

>>109803705

>people told me

>「大家都叫我……」

You listened to the wrong people. Even Intel CPU prices are rising.

你听错人了。连 Intel CPU 的价格都在涨。

>>109803705

That's why you don't listen to the voices in your head and take your meds

所以说别听脑子里的声音，把药吃了

>>109803713

I fackin' knew I shoulda just gotten a 5800X3D and a better cooler instead of making a brand-spanking-new build!!!

我他妈就该直接上 5800X3D 配个更好的散热，而不是从头装一套全新的！！！后悔死了！

Why is out of box ram limited to like half speed, am I good to put it to 6k?

为什么内存出厂频率只有一半左右，我可以直接上 6000 吗？

>>109803742

The stock memory speed & timings follow JEDEC standardized specifications.

默认内存频率和时序遵循 JEDEC 标准化规范。

XMP / EXPO is an overclocking profile supported by Intel or AMD.

XMP / EXPO 是 Intel 或 AMD 支持的超频预设档。

>am I good to put it to 6k?

>「我可以直接上 6000 吗？」

XMP / EXPO should work fine for most PC builds.

对大多数装机来说 XMP / EXPO 都能正常开。

Below average CPU bins or inadequate memory profile validation by board vendors can cause instabilities.

CPU 体质偏差或者主板厂商内存兼容性验证不到位，都可能造成不稳定。

>>109803742

Because your 6000mhz ram is overclocked from 4800mhz

因为你的 6000MHz 内存是从 4800MHz 超上来的

What do people use for benchmark, user benchmark?

大家跑分用什么，UserBenchmark 吗？

>>109803846

Passmark

>>109803844

So explain how they get away with these advertised frequencies, can I just oc any ddr5 ram to 7200 (6kMHz is apparently the golden number for x3d so I won't do that)

那你说说他们怎么敢这么标注频率的，随便一条 DDR5 我都能 OC 到 7200 吗（6000MHz 显然是 X3D 的黄金频率，所以我不会这么干）

>>109803846

Cinebench r23 for pure CPU benchmark. Overclockers use CPU-Z's benchmark as well.

纯 CPU 跑分用 Cinebench r23。超频玩家也用 CPU-Z 自带的 benchmark。

Newer Cinebench weighs RAM performance (plus GPU in some options).

新版 Cinebench 会把内存性能算进去（部分选项还加 GPU）。

3DMark for gaming benchmark, Steel Nomad is a 4K raster test included in the free version.

游戏跑分用 3DMark，免费版里就带 Steel Nomad 这个 4K 光栅化测试。

There's a lot more benchmarks if you're interested in enthusiast stuff (y-cruncher, pyprime, etc.)

如果你对发烧友那套感兴趣，跑分工具还有很多（y-cruncher、pyprime 等等）

BenchMate has all the stuff enthusiast overclockers use.

BenchMate 集齐了发烧级超频玩家用的那一切。

https://www.benchmate.org/en

You want a clean, debloated Windows OS drive if you want to be sweaty with all this.

想认真玩这套，你得有块干净无流氓软件的 Windows 系统盘。

>>109803858

Faster RAM speeds & tighter timings require voltage adjustments for the RAM modules & the CPU's memory-related voltages.

更高的内存频率和更紧的时序需要调整内存条电压和 CPU 上内存相关电压。

Don't change settings you don't understand, especially if you have an X3D CPU (they benefit less from memory OC).

不懂的设置别乱动，尤其你用的是 X3D 的话（内存超频对它收益更小）。

You need to check whether the speed/timing/voltage changes you make don't cause any instabilities.

你得确认自己改的频率/时序/电压不会引起不稳定。

XMP / EXPO is supposed to apply a stable memory OC with safe voltage changes applied.

XMP / EXPO 本来就是以安全电压应用一套稳定的内存超频。

>>109803858

JEDEC defines baseline standards that are lowball as fuck.

JEDEC 定的基线标准抠门得要死。

Samsung, Micron etc make chips that are at least as good as the standards but most of the chips turn out way better.

三星、美光等厂商造的颗粒至少达到标准水平，但大多数颗粒实际上远好于标准。

Kingston etc buy the chips, thoroughly test them, make ram sticks out of matching sets, test again, and guarantee the sticks work at specified XMP speed (in their perfect lab conditions)

金士顿这些厂商买来颗粒，彻底测试，把同批次配成内存条，再测一遍，保证内存在标称 XMP 频率下能跑（在他们完美的实验室条件下）

But memory controllers in CPU and motherboard PCB quality are only made to match JEDEC standards.

但 CPU 里的内存控制器和主板 PCB 品质只按 JEDEC 标准来做。

By enabling XMP you are "overclocking" your memory controller and bus which may or may not tolerate increased speed.

开了 XMP 你就是在「超频」内存控制器和总线，它们能不能承受更高的速度就看脸了。

lol what a retard

哈哈真是个弱智

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>>109803985

Linus also now selling fake PTM

Linus 现在也在卖假 PTM 了

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/uX4IHK0ixS

>>109803858

Gskill got sued over this issue in 2018 so they have to properly advertise the true (base) spec of ram now

G.Skill 2018 年就因为这事被起诉过，所以现在必须如实标注内存的真实（基础）规格

>>109803858

Hynix 16gbit a-die and 24gbit m-die does 7200mhz speeds given enough voltage.

海力士 16Gbit a-die 和 24Gbit m-die 给足电压就能跑 7200MHz。

A-die is available in 4800mhz and 5600mhz speeds while m-die is rated only for 5600mhz

a-die 有 4800MHz 和 5600MHz 的版本，m-die 只标了 5600MHz

dumb question, is it a problem if i use the same cable to power up a HDD (main for now) an dthe rgb stuff? its a long cable with multiple power ports so I was wondering, to make the cable management easier

问个弱智问题，用同一条线给硬盘（目前是主力盘）和 RGB 灯效供电有问题吗？那是一根带多个供电口的长线，我就想着这样走线能省事点

>>109804386

sata power cable was made to do just that so it doesn't matter

SATA 供电线本来就是干这个用的，所以无所谓

>>109804408

thanks

if i want to check if everything is ok with my new gpu what should i do? played games for few hours and everything feels ok but gpu is far from 100% utilization so probably some kind of benchmark should be ok?

如果我想检查新显卡有没有问题该怎么做？游戏打了几个小时，感觉一切正常，但 GPU 占用远到不了 100%，所以跑个什么跑分应该就行吧？

Asrock's fancy thermal shutdown psu cable just burned on a rtx6000 pro ws blackwell

华擎那根花里胡哨的热保护电源线在 RTX 6000 Pro WS Blackwell 上直接烧了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789276417909860.jpg

>>109804436

DLSS5 on is supposed to look slightly scorched, bigot

开了 DLSS5 看着就该有点焦糊味，懂不懂，红脖子

Any knew monitors coming out that I should look out for if it is my first oled monitor I'll be getting?

有即将发布的显示器值得等等吗？如果这是我第一块 OLED 屏的话？

what was the program to test HDD status?

查硬盘状态用什么软件来着？

>>109804746

crystaldiskinfo aoi edition

CrystalDiskInfo 蓝色版（aoi 主题）

crystaldiskmark aoi edition

CrystalDiskMark 蓝色版（aoi 主题）

Why are there so few mini led monitors and especially ultrawide ones. Trying to find an ultrawide IPS mini led monitor but they don't seem to exist

为什么 miniLED 显示器这么少，尤其是带鱼屏的？想找一台 21:9 的 IPS miniLED 显示器，但好像根本不存在

>>109804766

There is a lot of mini led monitors. Ultra wide is a fade that has died down across the board. Most people don't have a use or want for ultra wide.

miniLED 显示器其实很多。带鱼屏整体上就是个已经退潮的流行。大多数人用不上也不想用带鱼屏。

>>109804792

I have an ultrawide va monitor right now and love the aspect ratio and immersion but the ghosting and black smearing isn't pleasant. Was hoping to find a better alternative

我现在用的就是 VA 带鱼屏，喜欢它的比例和沉浸感，但拖影和黑色拖尾实在难受。想找个更好的替代品

For windowsfags, do you guys refresh your windows install? If so, do you do it every upgrade or every so often

Windows 党问一下，你们会重装系统吗？如果会，是每次大版本升级都装，还是隔段时间装一次

>>109804763

very cute anon, but im on linux

真可爱老哥，不过我用的 Linux

>>109804884

Gsmartcontrol

>>109804888

oh thanks, was about to ask this on the other thread

哦谢谢，我正打算去另一个帖子问这个

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvuvZI6Vjg

It really is a shame they opted to use "nba" game as the first dlss 5 implementation.

他们选了个 NBA 游戏来做 DLSS 5 的首发演示，真是不幸。

I never want to see footage of that garbage again.

那段垃圾视频我再也不想看到第二遍。

The video itself spends a lot of time focusing on artifacts that are basically invisible in the video as it switches between modes for 1 second to showcase boiling artifacts dlss5 on/off that get compressed by youtube. Im sure they're prominent when playing a game urself but here its goofy.

视频本身花了大量篇幅展示在视频里基本看不见的伪影，因为每种模式只切 1 秒来展示 DLSS5 开关时的 boiling 伪影，还被 YouTube 压缩吃掉了。我信你自己在游戏里玩的时候这些伪影很明显，但在这视频里就是滑稽。

I DEMAND a define one in xl, solid black and at least 2 (two) usb c jacks in the front io.

我要一个 XL 版 Define，纯黑，前面板 IO 至少 2（两）个 USB-C 接口。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789286549315300.jpg

>>109805193

would those little side vents really be enough for air flow

侧面那几个小孔真够风道用吗

>>109805286

rule 1 of fractal define club is that you don't talk about airflow

Fractal Define 俱乐部第一条规矩就是别聊风道

>>109803073

these threads sure died like fuck lol.

这楼也死得太彻底了哈哈。

>>109803073

talk your shit

有屁快放

send your (you)s

想要(You)的尽管来

>>109804436

>buying buttrock

>买「硬摇垃圾」卡

>>109804841

fuck no, maybe if youre a radeon homo

想都别想，除非你是 A 卡死忠基

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789288525405404.jpg

>>109805193

found a define xl r2 on fb market last year, but all the peg legs are fucking missing for some reason

去年在 FB 市场上淘到一台 Define XL R2，但不知道为啥机脚全他妈不见了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789288801913724.jpg

>"bro you can't undervolt an X3D because of the L3 cache!!!"

>「兄弟，X3D 因为三级缓存的缘故不能降压！！！」

>mine is stable on -25

>我的 -25 稳如老狗

Ooops!

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789289119471265.jpg

>>109805415

you know what type of issues you get apart from clock stretching when undervolting an ryzen chip even if it stable on paper? you get random usb, pcie and io errors. the system will run prime95 just fine but in day to day use with load changes it's going to become the ayyymd meme.

你知道给 AMD 锐龙降压除了时钟拉伸之外还会出什么问题吗，哪怕纸面上稳定？你会遇到随机的 USB、PCIe 和 IO 错误。系统跑 Prime95 没问题，但日常负载变化下就会变成 AYYMD 那个梗图。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789289625000909.png

>>109805475

I know, but I haven't had any issues for a month after intensive use, I think it's gonna be fine. If not, -20 is also great, but my previous 7600X was able to do that, so I guess it's nothing extraordinary.

我知道，但高强度用了一个月没出任何问题，我觉得没事。真不行的话 -20 也不错，不过我之前那颗 7600X 也能做到 -20，所以也没啥稀奇的。

>>109805496

Frogfag is retarded. It always comes to silicon lottery. UV can also get unstable because chips degrade over time. My 7800X3D is running at -15 all core because I didn't bother to manually check every single core to make more aggressive UV. Then there is curve shaper if you have too much time to tinker with your hardware.

那青蛙佬就是弱智。说到底都是看体质。降压也可能变得不稳定，因为芯片会随时间老化。我的 7800X3D 全核 -15，因为懒得一个个核手动测更激进的降压值。要是你时间多得没处花，还有 Curve Shaper 可以玩。

>>109805631

>chips degrade

>「芯片会老化」

they don't unless there is a design defect or you are pushing them past their limit. degradation is not the default.

除非有设计缺陷或者你把芯片推到极限，否则不会老化。老化不是默认属性。

>>109805639

slop-kun...

Does undervolting gpu cause any problems? I've had undervolted my 5060 ti for months. It runs perfectly fine 99% of the time, but I feel like it has a slight change to crashes certain games. I just don't know whether it's because I have an issue with my gpu, or it's because I undervolted

显卡降压会出问题吗？我的 5060 Ti 降了压用几个月了。99% 的时候跑得完美，但感觉某些游戏偶尔会崩。我不知道是显卡本身有问题，还是降压导致的

>>109805683

dial back to stock and see if it still occurs for those games. could also be a known occurrence on those titles too; may need to check.

恢复默认频率，看看那些游戏还崩不崩。也可能是那些游戏本身的已知问题；可能得查一下。

partly why i never bother with per-app profiles and just leave everything untouched -- don't got time for that these days.

这也是我从来不搞分应用配置的原因，什么都不动省心——现在没那闲工夫。

>>109805657

They do degrade.

芯片确实会老化。

CPU will require higher voltage to achieve the same frequency.

CPU 需要更高电压才能达到同样的频率。

This is why you have so much safety margin built in and you can UV to begin with.

这就是为什么出厂留了这么大安全余量，你才能降得动压。

It's not a matter or "if" but "when". I'm not saying it will happen in 2 years, it's a slow process mostly irrelevant for a normal user.

不是「会不会」而是「什么时候」的问题。我不是说两年内就会发生，这是个缓慢的过程，对普通用户基本无所谓。

>>109805286

Depends on what kind of cooling needs you have. I have a Fractal Define as my server case and airflow isn't really an issue.

取决于你的散热需求。我的服务器机箱就是 Fractal Define，风道完全不是问题。

Is this not seated properly? No matter which side I push in it doesn’t click or feel secure. I don’t want to push any harder and break it. Everything else works fine.

这是不是没插到位？不管从哪边按都不咔哒一声，也不牢。我不敢再用力怕掰断。其他一切正常。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789293684739561.jpg

>>109805853

By this I mean the usb c header thing

我指的是 USB-C 的那个插针排线

>>109805683

those games pushes the gpu harder and exposes the slight amount of instability created by your undervolt

那些游戏把 GPU 压得更狠，把你降压造成的那一点点不稳定暴露出来了

>>109805875

>>109805696

Thanks. I'll tone it down a bit. just to make sure

谢谢，那我稍微收着点，稳妥起见

whos the resident schizoid?

这楼常驻的精神病人是哪位？

>>109805997

Schizoid and schizophrenic aren't the same.

分裂型人格和精神分裂可不是一回事。

>>109805997

intel users

Intel 用户

>>109806006

I'd buy intel if weren't for the fact that their life cycle wont last for more than one, indian fucking shits

要不是他们产品生命周期撑不过一代，我就买 Intel 了，印度佬垃圾

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789295581440571.jpg

>>109806023

if you cared about the life cycle you'd be using linux and an amd gpu

真在意生命周期的话你早就在用 Linux 加 A 卡了

Any opinions on Dell Plus S3225QC? It's on sale where I'm from (~$483, for comparison Dell Alienware AW2725Q QD-OLED is ~$719). I was thinking of replacing one of my monitors (Dell S2721DGFA, my second monitor is titan army p275mv plus), and I'm considering trying OLED and switching it from 1440p to 4k. It'd likely be my "main monitor", so the one I game on and do most of the browsing, so with 5070ti I'll have to go on DLSS hard from what I understand, while secondary one I watch movies, work, and also browse on when I want multiple windows. The soundbar seems annoyingly big and useless for me, but not a deal breaker. I'm also worried about the ports and with just a single HDMI port, I can't really comfortably switch it around so that it's my secondary one, as swapping to the work laptop would be annoying. It'd cause my monitors to me of different sizes, but of the same resolutions as currently it does cause some programs to behave oddly when swapping them between screens.

Dell Plus S3225QC 有什么看法？我这边在打折（约 483 美元，对比之下 Dell Alienware AW2725Q QD-OLED 约 719 美元）。我想换掉我一台显示器（Dell S2721DGFA，副屏是 Titan Army P275MV Plus），考虑试试 OLED 并从 1440p 升到 4K。它多半会是「主屏」，也就是打游戏和大部分浏览都用它，所以我理解配 5070 Ti 的话得重度依赖 DLSS；副屏用来看电影、办公、想多开窗口时浏览。那根条形音箱对我来说又大又没用，但不至于一票否决。我还担心接口，只有单个 HDMI 的话没法舒坦地把它换成副屏，因为切换到工作笔记本会很烦。这会导致两台显示器尺寸不同，分辨率倒是和现在一样，毕竟现在把程序在两块屏之间拖来拖去时就已经有些程序会表现异常了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789296143417529.png

>>109806023

lga1954 will be a 3-gen socket if things turn out as planned

按计划发展的话，LGA1954 会是三代一换的接口

that will be better than am5 which only has 2 more gens of cpus left

那比 AM5 强，AM5 只剩两代 CPU 了

>>109804436

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIEL7FpUP1k

bz has a video on this

BZ 有个视频讲这个

>>109806142

Not him but do we know how many CPU PCI-E lanes that platform provides?

不是他，但我们知道那平台 CPU 能提供多少条 PCIe 通道吗？

>>109806152

nope. if lga1851 is anything to go by, it should have at least x16+4+4 gen5 cpu lines and x8 gen4 chipset lanes

不知道。参考 LGA1851 的话，应该至少有 x16+4+4 的 Gen5 CPU 通道和 x8 的 Gen4 芯片组通道

>>109806162

x16+4 gen5 cpu lanes*

更正：是 x16+4 的 Gen5 CPU 通道*

>>109804436

oof. i worry about mine constantly.

哎，我也天天担心我的这个。

>>109806058

my x230 runs on ubuntu but thats all the time & effort I can afford Mr. IT dept. I got a business to run & bitches to corral, Im happy for you though

我的 X230 跑 Ubuntu，但也就只能付出这些时间和精力了，IT 部门先生。我还有生意要做、妹子要哄，不过还是替你高兴

>>109806142

I wanted an ultra 7 2070k plus but the z890 platform is so ass

我想要 Ultra 7 265K 那套，可 Z890 平台实在太烂

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789297241034412.jpg

>>109806193

lga1851 was also supposed to have 2 true gens of cpus but core ultra 100 (meteorlake) got cancelled

LGA1851 当初也号称有两代真正的 CPU，结果 Core Ultra 100（Meteor Lake）被砍了

i'd take intel's own roadmaps with spoonfuls of salt

Intel 自家的路线图你得按吨加食盐

>>109806193

*270K*

>>109804436

he should have been using the included official splitter

他应该用附赠的官方一分二转接线的

>>109806374

that's worse than a native cable

转接线比原生的线还差

the connector simply sucks

这接口本来就烂

so this is the power of raytracing

这就是光追的力量吗

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789299735932465.png

>>109806422

do you have one? its really well made :)

你有同款吗？做工真的很不错 :)

>>109806435

that's cope and you know it

这就是自我安慰，你自己心里清楚

>>109803858

>So explain how they get away with these advertised

>「那你说说他们怎么敢这么标注频率的」

It's a heavy mixture of slippage (people not even enabling it or not RMAing when it fails), and very clear concessions to compatibility and longevity.

这是严重掺水的混合物：一是没人去开 XMP，或者坏了也不保修；二是在兼容性和寿命上做了非常明显的妥协。

It's actually something that really annoys me about the PC industry because XMP/EXPO is purely the product of the DIY market and there are basically no standards of reliability or standardized profiles (e.g. each vendors "6000mhz CL30" has different timings). Actually using the shit requires an insane amount of faith in the company selling you the shit. Which I really don't anymore.

这确实是我对 PC 行业最恼火的一点，因为 XMP/EXPO 纯粹是 DIY 市场的产物，基本没有可靠性标准或统一预设（比如各家的「6000MHz CL30」时序各不相同）。真要用这玩意，你就得对卖你的人品有惊人的信任。而现在我真的没有了。

>>109806548

>Actually using the shit requires an insane amount of faith in the company selling you the shit.

>「真要用这玩意，你就得对卖你的人品有惊人的信任。」

Just ask your AI to sanity check your settings

直接让 AI 帮你检查一下设置有没有问题

And then ask another AI to sanity check the results of first AI

然后再让另一个 AI 检查第一个 AI 的结果

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789301649362990.png

>>109806586

Would you trust those settings to hold for 5 years?

你敢信这套设置能撑五年？

>used 32GB AI GPU for $600

>600 美元收了张 32GB 显存的二手 AI 卡

Everyone told me GPUs were super expensive, what's the catch? OK obviously it's used but still, isn't that a bargain?

大家都说显卡贵得离谱，这里面有什么坑？行吧显然是二手的，但这难道不是捡漏吗？

Planning to do some local AI crap for shits and giggles.

打算折腾点本地 AI 的东西玩玩。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789302356832417.jpg

>>109806642

the catch is that it doesn't have cuda

坑就是它没有 CUDA

>>109805713

>It's not a matter or "if" but "when". I'm not saying it will happen in 2 years, it's a slow process mostly irrelevant for a normal user.

>「不是『会不会』而是『什么时候』的问题……对普通用户基本无所谓。」

I feel like amd has a pretty good winning process, but yeah depending on the sku you'll get more or less degradation. Degradation itself is a factor mainly taken into account by either server cpus running nonstop for years at a time, or the premium high voltage cpus (9950x and 9850x) cpus for amd. The 13900k and 14900k degradation is just retarded though. You'll probably see the same shit on 9000x amd cpus in 4 or 5 years albeit.

我觉得 AMD 的工艺挺稳的，但具体老化程度看型号。老化本身主要是两类人在意的：一是不间断跑好几年的服务器 CPU，二是 AMD 那些高电压的旗舰（9950X 和 9850X）。13900K 和 14900K 的老化就纯属弱智事件了。AMD 9000X 系列大概四五年后也会看到同样的情况吧。