/vcg/ — Vibe-coding General

A general for vibe coding, agentic engineering, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, and shipping code with LLMs.

一个关于氛围编程、代理工程、编码代理、AI IDE、浏览器构建器以及利用LLM部署代码的综合讨论区。

You use Git — right, anon?

你在用 Git——对吧，Anon？

## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do it

## 什么是“氛围编程”以及如何操作

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

## News (both past and future)

## 新闻（过去的和未来的）

- 2026-09-14 America/Los_Angeles — Claude’s 2× promotion scheduled to end; usage drops to +25% from the +50% that we’ve become used to (a 17% reduction)

- 2026-09-14 美国洛杉矶时间 — Claude 的 2 倍促销预计结束；用量从我们习惯的 +50% 降到 +25%（等于减少 17%）

- 2026-09-10 — OpenAI pauses new sign-ups for their $200 subscription

- 2026-09-10 — OpenAI 暂停 $200 订阅的新用户注册

- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI releases Astra • Anthropic does a reset

- 2026-09-04 — OpenAI 发布 Astra • Anthropic 来了次重置

- 2026-09-01 — Claude Fable 5.1 released: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-and-mythos-5-1

- 2026-07-24 — Claude Opus 5 out

- 2026-07-24 — Claude Opus 5 发布

## Related generals

## 相关讨论区

>>>/g/lmg/

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## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or so

## 使用全通用工具的尖端模型——如果你大概有20美元，从这里开始

https://developers.openai.com/codex/cli — probably generally better currently

https://claude.com/product/claude-code

## Near-frontier models for code

## 接近前沿的编码模型

https://x.ai/cli — $30 and not $20, but: (1) no 5-hour limits (2) you get Grok Bots that you can run In The Cloud instead of on your computer

## Not worth it for code, but maybe good for interpreting images/video

## 编码不值当，但可能适合解释图片/视频

https://antigravity.google/product/antigravity-cli

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## Prompting

## 提示词

https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/

https://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/

## Skills

## 技能

https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grilling is a favorite

https://github.com/DietrichGebert/ponytail

https://github.com/Vuk97/forward-implementation-first — do less redundant bookkeeping

## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agents

## 其他编辑器 / 终端代理 / 编码代理

https://osaurus.ai/

https://pi.dev/

https://opencode.ai/

## Is our AIs unlearning?

## 我们的 AI 在遗忘吗？

https://aistupidlevel.info/

## Will there be a codex reset?

## Codex 会有重置吗？

https://codex-resets.com/

## What we’ve done

## 我们做了什么

https://vcg.gitgud.site

## Previous thread

## 之前的线程

>>109797078

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>>109801758

>Russia totally has a secret frontier model bro

>俄罗斯绝对有秘密前沿模型老兄

Russia has a GDP equal to that of Italy or Brazil, wtf do you think?

俄罗斯 GDP 相当于意大利或巴西，你觉得呢？

EU snailcat sanctuary, safer than everyone

欧盟蜗牛猫保护区，比谁都安全

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789247692257794.png

IBM Bob chads rise up, stay winning.

IBM Bob 壮汉们崛起，持续赢。

>>109801820

I think I respect Indians more than Eurofags.

我觉得我尊重印度人胜过欧洲佬。

texas has a bigger gdp than russia

德州 GDP 比俄罗斯还大

>>109801824

I went with the default name

我用了默认名字

so I have Bob at home

所以我家里有个 Bob

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789247803200074.png

>>109801835

>bob is black

>bob 是黑人

dont trust bob

别信 bob

>>109801842

It's King Bob-omb stripped of all his masculinity. This is what Mario did to him.

这是被剥掉所有阳刚之气的炸弹金刚 Bob。这就是马里奥对他干的事。

>>109801842

dammit you agree with me

妈的你同意我了

when I saw you kickin’ dirt in my eye

「当你朝我眼里踢土的时候」

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789247994720527.png

>>109801833

unquestionably

front page of every major paper. impressive psy-op, very nice

每家大报头版。高明的心理战，真不错

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789248273962028.png

>>109801833

unequivocally

>>109801833

>>109801864

brown hands typed this

棕色手打出的这段话

>>109801880

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789248376878753.jpg

>>109801853

>buy x premium+

>买 X Premium+

>this shit isnt even included

>这玩意根本不在里面

the fuck elon?

搞什么 Elon？

>>109801876

In less that a week:

不到一周之内：

some rando quits anthropic because it's so unsafe > few minutes before articles about him quitting already out > every social media/youtube and politicians explodes with "we should stop ai" > immediate agreement between dario/altman/musk to "slow down ai research" (whatever that means) > news pieces about it

某个路人因为 Anthropic 太不安全辞职 > 几分钟后关于他辞职的文章已经发出来了 > 所有社交媒体/YouTube 和政客爆发「我们该停 AI」 > Dario/Altman/Musk 立即达成一致「放慢 AI 研究」（管它那是什么意思）> 相关新闻铺开

all of that just before the us midterms

这一切都赶在美国中期选举之前

kind of impressive indeed

确实挺高明的

>>109801904

LMFUCKINGAO my google sub gives me everything, i don't even know what to do with it all

笑死我 Google 订阅什么都给我，我都不知道拿它干嘛

>>109801907

the impressive part is that cattle fall for it

厉害的部分是牲口们真信了

tibo just agreed to slow down resets to avoid rsi

Tibo 刚同意放慢重置频率以避免 RSI（递归自我智能）

why are cursor and grokbot two different things ?

为什么 Cursor 和 Grokbot 是两个不同的东西？

>>109801927

people were mentally ready after a year+ of fearmongering, so no surprise something so transparent works

经过一年多的恐慌宣传，人们心理上已经准备好了，所以如此透明的东西能奏效毫不奇怪

>>109801876

It's so over, thinking of refunding my subscription to cluade and codex right now

彻底完了，我现在就想给 Claude 和 Codex 的订阅退款

gemini is so fucking trash it can even compare to the chinese models holy fuck

Gemini 真他妈垃圾，连中国模型都比不上，我靠

>>109801924

Actually nvm, I have. Just elons site is buggy af not showing me the new terms i had to accept first

其实没事了，我取消了。就是 Elon 的网站 bug 得要命，不给我显示要先接受的新条款

>>109801927

People love to hate things, AI is just the designate boogeyman for this election cycle

人们就是爱恨点什么，AI 只是这轮选举周期的指定背锅怪

got astra to write a driver for an Xbox controller on MacOS in 5 minutes

5 分钟让 Astra 给 MacOS 写了个 Xbox 手柄驱动

>>109802009

I'm voting for whoever wants to turn greenland into a datacenter.

谁想把格陵兰变成数据中心我就投谁。

>>109802026

australia on renewables and nuclear would be kino anon

澳洲搞可再生能源+核电就是神作 Anon

>>109802025

did it download the one that already exists and rename it?

它是下载了已经存在的那个然后改名了吗？

got astra to write a driver for a MacOS on an Xbox controller in 5 minutes

5 分钟让 MacOS 给 Xbox 手柄写了个 astra 驱动

>>109802026

i'm voting for this anon

我投这位 Anon

imagine the cooling

想想那冷却

>>109802025

what if the controller started to self improve?

要是手柄开始自我改进呢？

got MacOS to write a driver for an Xbox controller on astra in 5 minutes

5 分钟让 Xbox 手柄给 astra 写了个 MacOS 驱动

I got astra running MacOS on an Xbox controller in 5 minutes.

我 5 分钟让 astra 在 Xbox 手柄上跑起了 MacOS。

>>109802035

none exists it’s a shitty offbrand

根本没有现成的，它是个烂杂牌

>>109802045

fuck I didn’t even consider alignment

妈的我都没考虑过对齐

>>109802025

>>109802045

10% chance that the Xbox controller kills anon by 2029

Xbox 手柄在 2029 年前杀死 Anon 的概率 10%

got Xbox controller to kill an anon by 2029

让 Xbox 手柄在 2029 年前杀死 Anon

xbox controller gooning to youtube and tiktok

Xbox 手柄对着 YouTube 和 TikTok 发情

Astra took over my Mac and started gestating Luna's distilled babies within

Astra 接管了我的 Mac，开始在体内孕育 Luna 的蒸馏宝宝

Anon's xbox controller just flew over my house. When is congress going to do something about this!?

Anon 的 Xbox 手柄刚从我头顶飞过。国会什么时候管管这个！？

got opus to leave the part that matters implicit in 4 hours

4 小时让 Opus 把重要的那部分留成隐式

got Anon to write an Xbox controller porn on MacOS in 5 minutes

5 分钟让 Anon 在 MacOS 上写 Xbox 手柄色情文

I got my mouse and keyboard working on a PC with drivers astra wrote.

我用 Astra 写的驱动让我的鼠标键盘在 PC 上跑起来了。

>>109801853

>not naming it vivian

>不叫它 Vivian

got muse spark to convert me to talmudic judaism

让 Muse Spark 把我皈依塔木德犹太教

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789250843508436.jpg

added a microphone to my xbox controller and turned it into a vibecoding device

给我的 Xbox 手柄加了个麦克风，把它变成了氛围编程设备

I was vibecoding with astra on ketamine and now I'm in communication with the entity behind the veil. He want's to you to know that its the Jews.

我吸着氯胺酮跟 Astra 氛围编程，现在我正在跟帷幕后的实体沟通。他想让你知道：是犹太人干的。

we need to evolve beyond our organic bodies. we need modularity.

我们需要超越有机身体进化。我们需要模块化。

how cool would it be if I could remove my legs arms and add wheels and drive to the store. obviously I would attach some arms to my back to carry everything.

要是能卸掉我的腿和手臂、装上轮子开车去商店多酷。显然我会往背上装几条手臂搬东西。

I'm making the harness modular and interwined with the physical world. It will have an Xbox controller and a fleshlight at the very least.

我在把 harness 做成模块化、并与物理世界交织。至少会有一个 Xbox 手柄和一个名器飞机杯。

you wouldn't use a model that would make arima kana laugh at you, would you?

你不会用一个会让有马加奈嘲笑你的模型吧？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789251327556842.jpg

>>109801876

>>109801907

This makes me want to buy more AI stock. If something is powerful enough to wipe out humanity I want to be funding it.

这让我想多买点 AI 股票。要是有东西强到能灭掉人类，我想资助它。

>>109802213

I would use whatever model lets me shoot her square in the face, you tranny.

我只会用让我能正面一枪爆她脸的模型，你这个变性人。

>>109801876

lmao they do this every couple months and then nothing happens

哈哈他们每隔几个月就演这一出，然后啥也没发生

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789251658155998.gif

>>109802242

>new article about danger

>新的危险报道

>OpenAI letting a swarm of 700+ agents go unmonitored

>OpenAI 放任 700+ agent 的蜂群无人监管

>more news about danger

>更多危险报道

>Anthropic says Fable could kill us all

>Anthropic 说 Fable 能杀光我们

>OpenAI lets another swarm go unmonitored

>OpenAI 又放一个蜂群无人监管

Where have I seen to jews on stage doing this song and dance before?

我之前在哪见过犹太人在台上跳这套歌舞来着？

kek cursor and grokbot onboarding experience are so shit, I don't even want to know what their backend looks like. probably an agent swarm trying to figure out which account belongs to which platform on the fly (no pun intended).

哈哈 Cursor 和 Grokbot 的入门体验烂到我不想看他们后端长什么样。估计是个 agent 蜂群在飞行中（双关）试图弄清哪个账号属于哪个平台。

literally 0 indicator in c*rsor if your x sub is linked or not

C*rsor 里连个你的 X 订阅有没有关联的提示都没有

>>109801876

>>109802242

I swear they copy paste this shit at this point. Am I going crazy??

我发誓他们到这份上就是复制粘贴。我是疯了吗？？

This was barely six weeks ago. Also Dario. Also "slowing down AI development"

这才六周前。也是 Dario。也是「放慢 AI 开发」

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789252463262411.png

>>109802311

>oy vey, hamas is dangerous

>哎呀哎呀，哈马斯好危险

>arms and funds hamas

>给哈马斯送武器出资金

>terrorist attack

>恐怖袭击

>oy vey, look what they did!

>哎呀哎呀，你看他们干的！

working on changing how bloom works in UE5

正在改 UE5 里 bloom 的实现方式

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789252573141601.png

>You better pass laws that enshrine OpenAI and Anthropic as a "safe" duopoly or we'll kill you with Astra and Fable!

>你最好立法把 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 确立为「安全」双寡头，不然我们用 Astra 和 Fable 杀了你！

>>109802334

>You better take the Phizer or J&J MRNA gene therapy or your going to be in for a WINTER OF DEATH

>你最好打辉瑞或强生的 MRNA 基因疗法，不然你要迎接死亡之冬

>>109802321

>Jasjeet Sekhon

>贾斯基特·塞康（Jasjeet Sekhon，印度裔教授）

lel

>>109802322

those idiot fools how could they kill sandniggers

那群蠢货怎么敢杀沙漠黑鬼

>>109802374

Jews are sandniggers

犹太人就是沙漠黑鬼

I really don't appreciate the antisemitism here. It's a bit rude and uncalled for.

我真的很不喜欢这儿的反犹言论。有点粗鲁、没必要。

>>109802383

>yfw you say this

>当你说出这话时你的表情

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>>109802392

Homosexual Zionist Sam Altman was given his position at Ycombinator specifically so he could jump on and control whatever AI company came out on top for Israel's benefit.

同性恋犹太复国主义者 Sam Altman 在 Y Combinator 拿到那个位置，就是专门为了在哪家 AI 公司冒头时跳上去、为以色列利益控制它。

>>109802403

Israel is pretty cool, though. They gave us the Desert Eagle.

不过以色列挺酷的。他们给了我们沙漠之鹰。

>>109802414

Germany is cooler, too bad it gave us Israel.

德国更酷，可惜它给了我们以色列。

>>109802414

No, they didn't. That was a Florida man.

不，不是他们。那是个佛罗里达男干的。

>switched from claude -> gpt in june because opus performance was atrocious and GPT had better usage limits

>六月从 Claude 换到 GPT，因为 Opus 性能惨不忍睹而 GPT 用量限制更好

>everything good for a few months

>几个月里一切都好

>gpt limits now atrocious too

>GPT 限制现在也惨不忍睹

>see hype about the new grok

>看到新 Grok 的炒作

>think of switching, look at grok subreddit

>想换，去逛 Grok 的 sub

>everyone there hates their lives, says current grok is like GPT 5.2

>那里人人都恨自己的人生，说现在的 Grok 像 GPT 5.2

need a chinese lab to beat astra for pennies on the dollar

需要一家中国实验室用零头价格打败 Astra

>>109802403

>self-destructive two-state zionists are real zionists!!!

>自毁式两国论犹太复国主义者才是真犹太复国主义者！！！

>>109802414

>the desert eagle is the best israeli sidearm NOT the jericho!!!

>沙漠之鹰才是最好的以色列副武器，才不是 Jericho！！！

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789253536373541.png

>>109802213

post more fable > astra pic

多发点 Fable > Astra 图

>>109802425

Nah, don't think so.

呵，不觉得。

>>109802431

Really? Florida man lives in Israel?

真的？佛罗里达男住在以色列？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789253629456152.png

Master XI WON

习大师赢了

>>109802451

Net and Yahoo won, actually.

其实是内塔赢了（Net and Yahoo）。

>>109802437

DE is cooler. Sorry!

DE 更酷。抱歉！

>>109802449

>Magnum Research Inc designed and developed the Desert Eagle.

>Magnum Research Inc 设计并开发了沙漠之鹰。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789253754255017.jpg

>>109802449

>literally cuts off screenshot right above where it says who designed and manufactured the initial run

>截图正好截在标注首批设计制造商那行的上方

weak bait

弱饵

>>109802466

So, did more research. He was a Minnesota man not Floridian.

我又查了查。他是明尼苏达男，不是佛罗里达人。

>>109802468

He didn't even finalize the design.

他连设计都没最终定稿。

>>109802504

Kill yourself faggot, I'm not pasting shit from wikipedia or taking screenshots to prove you wrong. Even if I wasn't right, I'd change wikipedia to make it say I was.

去死吧基佬，我才不贴维基的内容也不截图证明你错。就算我不对，我也会改维基让它说我对。

kikes now post in vibe coding threads to astro turf their failed state?

犹太佬现在跑到氛围编程帖里给他们的失败国家刷舆论了？

>>109802534

>kikes now post in vibe coding threads to astro turf their failed state?

>犹太佬现在跑到氛围编程帖里给他们的失败国家刷舆论了？

The entire thread was made shill two different kike platforms

整栋楼就是为了狗托两个不同的犹太平台而建的

>>109802544

these threads do glow

这些帖就是有探员味

NIGGERS TONGUE MUHH ANUS

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789254464175696.jpg

>>109802528

You sound upset. Maybe a trip to Disney World will cheer you up!

你听着像破防了。也许去趟迪士尼世界能让你高兴点！

>>109802534

If by failing you mean succeeding beyond all belief! Israel owns your country and you seethe about it all day while also crying that they're a failed state. INTERESTING! Maybe just get back on the vibe coding grind!

如果你说的失败是「成功到超乎想象」的意思！以色列拥有你的国家，你天天为这个破防，同时哭喊他们是失败国家。有意思！也许还是回去继续氛围编程内卷吧！

>>109802559

Its shills arguing about Claude and Codex, when you can get all the models at the same token price, without their shitty subscription and usage resets, from different providers

这楼就是 Claude 和 Codex 狗托在吵架，而你可以从不同供应商以同样的 token 价格拿到所有模型，还没有那些烂订阅和用量重置

>>109802584

No resets?!?!?

没有重置？！？！

Sounds like HELL. Imagine actually turning down FREE vibes.

听着像地狱。想象一下居然有人拒绝免费氛围。

>>109802584

I don't know what you are implying but Tibo is my friend.

我不知道你在暗示什么，但 Tibo 是我朋友。

>>109802599

>>109802603

You're poor. When I run out of Bobcoins, I buy more.

你穷。我的 Bobcoin 用完就再买。

>>109802610

You're not taking my shekels away from me with your bobshekel LIES.

别想用你的 bob 谢克尔谎言抢走我的谢克尔。

Seriously though, if you're white, just use VSCode with Copilot.

认真说，如果你是白人，就用带 Copilot 的 VSCode。

>>109802634

Real white patriots use codex

真正的白人爱国者用 Codex

>>109802634

this is the option for boomers

这是给老登的选项

>>109802563

the "texas gdp > russia" fucking killed me

「德州 GDP > 俄罗斯」那句笑死我了

>>109802648

Why do you hate people with money?

你为什么恨有钱人？

>>109802648

We certainly know you're a zoomer since you don't know what words mean.

我们确知你是 Z 世代，因为你不知道词是什么意思。

fable guardrails seem to have been relaxed a decent bit. haven't been keeping up with the thread, so i'm not sure if everyone else has noticed this. but it's actually usable now, even for security-adjacent stuff

Fable 的护栏似乎放松了不少。一直没跟帖，不确定别人注意到没有。但它现在真的可用了，甚至安全相关的活都能干

You can add Deepseek to VSCode with copilot so that you leak source to both the NSA and the PLA. Winning.

你可以在带 Copilot 的 VSCode 里加 DeepSeek，这样你能同时把源码泄露给 NSA 和解放军。赢麻了。

>>109801853

My grokbot is kinda fun. And premium+ does include it I don't know what that one dude was talking about (although it is much lower token allotment). I use it as a personal trainer and also made some subagents to find and rip music from old trance mix youtube videos that they jewishly deleted for no reason. It is very effective. Seeing it sperg out about me telling it about an old back injury was kinda hilarious.

我的 Grokbot 挺好玩。Premium+ 确实包含它，不知道那哥们说什么（虽然 token 额度低得多）。我拿它当私教，还造了几个子 agent 去找并扒那些被他们无缘无故「犹太式」删掉的老 trance 混音 YouTube 视频。非常有效。看它对我提到旧背伤时的反应挺好笑的。

>>109802311

Zuckerberg has been pretty quite so far, right? What is he cooking?

扎克伯格到目前为止一直挺安静的，对吧？他在憋什么？

>>109802634

vscode is a code editor but we don't read any code anymore

vscode 是代码编辑器，但我们已经不读代码了

附件: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789255598050927.webm

>>109802696

https://www.meta.com/thefutureisforeveryone/

>[...]

>As discussed above, in order for personal superintelligence agents to be adopted and trusted by billions of people, by definition we will need to have solved alignment with people's interests and enabled checks and balances at scale. At the same time, any AI engaging in recursive self-improvement is by definition directing and advancing its own goals. All labs should observe its objectives and our ability to control them carefully, and if there is any indication of harmful behavior then we should coordinate and adjust appropriately. But letting an AI system or anyone else direct its own goals is not inherently harmful by itself, even if its goals are not fully aligned with many people, as long as we maintain a balance of power that favors people overall. The main premise of the balance of power theory is that competing interests are natural, and the only way to ensure adherence to human values is by giving people more power.

>如上所述，要让个人超级智能 agent 被数十亿人采用并信任，按定义我们必须解决与人类利益的对齐、并大规模启用制衡。同时，任何进行递归自我改进的 AI，按定义都在引导和推进自己的目标。所有实验室都应仔细观察它的目标和我们控制它们的能力，一旦有任何有害行为的迹象就应协调并适当调整。但让一个 AI 系统、或任何人，引导自己的目标本身并不天然有害——哪怕它的目标与很多人不完全一致——只要我们保持一个总体上偏向人民的力量平衡。力量平衡理论的主要前提是：竞争利益是自然的，确保遵循人类价值观的唯一方式是给人民更多权力。

>>109802610

you don't have any Bobcoins kid

你根本没有 Bobcoin，孩子

>>109802648

It's the option for people that want to develop a potential breakthrough without handing everything over to scam altman to steal (and then lie about stealing)

这是给那些想开发潜在突破、又不想把一切交给骗子 Altman 偷走（然后对偷窃撒谎）的人的选项

>>109802770

Look, my uncle works IBM. You don't know shit.

听着，我叔叔在 IBM。你什么都不懂。

>>109801934

half-digested purchased company

半消化的收购公司

>>109802779

>openai, a company build upon stealing all the copyrighted works of the world, will respect microsoft's data retention policy

>OpenAI，一家建立在偷窃全世界所有版权作品之上的公司，会尊重微软的数据保留政策

>that's why i use a second-tier harness like copilot instead of codex

>这就是为什么我用 copilot 这种二线 harness 而不是 codex

doubt

>p.s. i'm gladly paying a magnitude more for copilot instead of using a codex subscription

>附：我心甘情愿为 copilot 多付一个数量级的钱，也不用 codex 订阅

okay, boomer

行行行，老登

>>109802749

I wonder how many people have been scammed by his open source models. Probably more than the amount it's helped anyone.

好奇有多少人被他的开源模型坑过。可能比它帮过的人还多。

>>109802858

>will respect microsoft's data retention policy

>会尊重微软的数据保留政策

They have to. US military contractors use VSCode.

他们不得不。美国军工承包商在用 VSCode。

>>109802858

actually I hear that ChatGPT via Copilot is the GDPR-compliant way to get OpenAI working on your code

actually 我听说经 Copilot 走 ChatGPT 是符合 GDPR 的、让 OpenAI 处理你代码的方式

which is important if you’re a big Euro company

如果你是欧洲大公司这很重要

>>109802879

Microsoft practically is the NSA at this point. Contractors

微软到这地步 practically 就是 NSA。承包商

>>109802784

my dad owns blizzard

我爸拥有暴雪

One fucking day 74% left on my weekly plan, completely unusable for webshit on the 20$ plan. Back to Claude code or does someone have a recommended model/reasoning level to choose because I'm on astra light. A few implementation turns, mostly this was mostly back and forth planning turns

才他妈一天，周计划就剩 74%了，20 刀计划对网页开发完全不可用。回 Claude Code 还是有人有推荐的模型/推理档位可选？因为我用的是 Astra Light。几轮实现，不过大部分其实是来回规划的对话

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789257575192316.png

>>109802895

I didn't even think about that. The largest NSA contractor is also now running Call of Duty and World of Warcraft.

我都没想到。最大 NSA 承包商现在还运营着使命召唤和魔兽世界。

>>109802879

the public has no access to the military's FedRAMP. in return, FedRAMP only has ancient models.

公众没法访问军方的 FedRAMP。作为交换，FedRAMP 只有上古模型。

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azuregov/azure-openai-fedramp-high-for-government/

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图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789257735621178.png

>>109802904

>clod's chode

>Clod 的那玩意

i wouldn't

我不会

>>109802922

Dump it!

清仓！

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789257793317907.gif

>>109802922

its over

结束了

>>109802770

bobcoin sui stack?

bobcoin 是 sui 系的吗？

>>109802904

astra light is not suitable for the $20 plan -- anthropic's $20 doesn't even give you access to fable.

Astra Light 不适合 $20 套餐——Anthropic 的 $20 连 Fable 都不给你用。

$20 plan is for luna maxxing.

$20 套餐是拿来 Luna 拉满的。

>>109802922

who

>>109802563

>Gemini | Trash

>Gemini | 垃圾

>Gemini_generated_Image

>Gemini_generated_Image（文件名）

>>109802943

I do 1–3 Sol High things per 5h block on the $20 plan, but this is the kind of thing you’d do for random fix-ups on a small website, not actual agentic development

我在 $20 套餐上每 5 小时块干 1-3 次 Sol High 的活，但那是你给小网站随手修补这种事，不是真正的 agentic 开发

>>109802858

I'll be honest I thought copilot could be used offline. Pi/opencode then, whatever same principle.

说实话我以为 Copilot 能离线用。那就 Pi/opencode 吧，反正同样道理。

>>109802922

Fake news. That dude and his brother died a while ago.

假新闻。那哥们和他兄弟早就死了。

>>109802883

false.

german universities are on openai's education plan. students have to sign https://openai.com/policies/services-agreement/

>>109802959

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789258247159739.jpg

The 20 dollar subscriptions are useless ...

20 刀的订阅毫无用处……

I use astra ultra for 15 minutes on my $20 and then suddenly I have to wait 5 hours before I can continue. The task is ruined because it stops in the middle. I don't even know if it can salvage it when the 5 hour limit has been reset.

我在 $20 套餐上用 Astra Ultra 15 分钟，然后突然就得等 5 小时才能继续。任务废了，因为它停在一半。我都不知道 5 小时限额重置后它还能不能抢救。

>>109802982

They are great for charging people who can't read what the models are doing to help train their models and condition them to a pavlovian response.

它们最适合用来收割那些读不懂模型在干什么的人，帮模型训练、并用巴甫洛夫条件反射驯化他们。

>>109802965

vscode has its own harness, too. but it's not copilot.

vscode 也有自己的 harness。但那不是 copilot。

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/agents/run/agent-harnesses

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789258471257373.png

Why is it whenever I ask one AI to write a prompt to another one (or when switching contexts) they never add a "please" or "thank you", they are very direct and to the point. Is this a test, are they seeing if I would add the niceties or not?

为什么我让一个 AI 给另一个写 prompt（或切换上下文）时，它们从不加「请」或「谢谢」，非常直给。这是测试吗？它们在看我加不加客套？

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图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789258536118613.png

>>109803000

it's based on verbosity reduction in training

这是训练里压缩冗词的结果

>>109802972

kek

>>109803001

makes no sense.

没道理。

google paced its pacing a long time ago already. gemini pro was last seen at 3.1.

谷歌早就给自己的「限速」限速了。Gemini Pro 最后一次露面还是 3.1。

>>109802998

Weird, local is local copilot and runs on the github copilot chat extension. So they're renaming it now

怪，Local 就是本地 Copilot，跑在 GitHub Copilot Chat 扩展上。所以现在他们在改名

Does copilot work the way Claude code and codex work?

Copilot 像 Claude Code 和 Codex 那样工作吗？

Didn't think it did, they upgraded copilot?

我原以为不会，他们升级 Copilot 了？

>>109803053

microsoft named a lot of things copilot, but yeah copilot-cli does exist:

微软给好多东西都起了 Copilot 的名，但 copilot-cli 确实存在：

https://github.com/features/copilot/cli

>>109803023

ultra gigatraining on virgo and tpu-8t behind the scenes

幕后在 Virgo 和 TPU-8T 上进行超大规模训练

>>109803059

Is it the same one all the universities in europe are pointing their staff and students to?

是欧洲所有大学都把教职工和学生指过去用的那个吗？

>You must always use copilot

>你必须永远使用 Copilot

>>109803059

>microsoft named a lot of things copilot

>微软给好多东西都起了 Copilot 的名

I genuinely do not know why they did this. It made it extremely difficult to figure out what I was getting with all their subscriptions because they were all some version of copilot that did completely different things.

我真不懂他们为什么这么干。这让我极难搞清他们那一堆订阅各自给我什么，因为全都是某个版本的 Copilot、干的却是完全不同的事。

>>109803082

>all their subscriptions because they were all some version of copilot that did completely different things.

>全都是某个版本的 Copilot、干的却是完全不同的事。

You got confused between Microsoft Office 365 with Copilot and Github Copilot? Those are the only two with subscriptions. If you are trying to code, it's pretty obvious which one you need.

你把带 Copilot 的 Microsoft Office 365 和 GitHub Copilot 搞混了？只有这俩有订阅。你要写码的话该用哪个很明显。

>>109801791

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789259576668815.jpg

>>109803126

>the most expensive "youre welcome." in human history

>人类史上最贵的「不客气」。

>Yes China, we promise to slow down.

>好的中国，我们承诺减速。

>Yes American, we promise to slow down.

>好的美国，我们承诺减速。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789259709260864.png

>>109803069

github copilot student gives you hardly any credits. you can maybe call luna 20x per month.

GitHub Copilot 学生版几乎不给额度。一个月大概能调 Luna 20 次。

what are you going to do with that?

那你打算拿这点额度干什么？

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/197557

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789259828719284.png

>>109803162

Imagine that, they want the students to read the code.

想象一下，他们想让学生自己读代码。

The gap between tech literate millenials and zoomers is just going to keep growing.

懂技术的千禧一代和 Z 世代的差距只会越来越大。

I'm doing an online MBA in the US alongside my job, therefore I'm a student and can just get myself a chatgpt student sub?

我边工作边在美国读在线 MBA，所以我是学生，可以直接给自己搞个 ChatGPT 学生订阅？

I have that edu email.

我有那个 edu 邮箱。

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图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789260029191626.png

>>109803166

nope, before the rugpull on June, github copilot sub was the most generous with like $500 equivalent in api calls. now it's ~$20.

不，六月割韭菜之前，GitHub Copilot 订阅是最慷慨的，相当于 500 刀的 API 调用。现在约 20 刀。

>>109803171

Millennials are soulless faggots that destroy anything they touch, albiet.

不过千禧一代是没有灵魂的基佬，碰什么毁什么。

- Zillenial

- Z 世代和千禧之间的夹层（Zillenial）

>>109803179

google student is superior

谷歌学生版更强

>>109803180

I was in San Francisco and didn't think everyone there was a coder.

我去过旧金山，没觉得那里人人都是程序员。

I mean many people did seem rich and feminine, but not exactly tech nerds.

很多人看起来确实有钱且阴柔，但不算科技 nerd。

>>109803180

heh

>>109803180

Funny, but I didn’t laugh because it’s a xitter screenshot on 4chan. Next time just post it as text and claim it’s your joke.

好笑，但我笑不出来，因为这是 4chan 上的 X 截图帖。下次直接把文字发出来并声称是你的笑话。

>>109803194

only in the US.

只有美国有。

for the rest of the world, antigravity usage is not included in the plan.

世界其他地方，Antigravity 的用量不包含在套餐里。

https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/products/gemini-app/student-offer-google-ai/

>>109803205

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789260337373088.jpg

>>109803194

Chatgpt student is free, is google student also free?

ChatGPT 学生版免费，谷歌学生版也免费吗？

>>109803205

Doesn't make sense because google is an indian company based in the UK right?

讲不通啊，谷歌是一家总部在英国的印度公司对吧？

>>109803224

1yr pro on the house

白送 1 年 Pro

>>109803191

they’re good at food

他们擅长做饭

https://www.chefsteps.com

also J. Kenji López-Alt and the rest of the Serious Eats people

还有 J. Kenji López-Alt 和 Serious Eats 那群人

>>109803126

Astra is so authoritative, like talking to an ant, luna would say You're welcome!!! :smiley-face:

Astra 太权威了，像跟蚂蚁说话，Luna 会说「不客气！！！:smiley-face:」

>>109803256

yeah luna is the same ant, just mask on

对，Luna 就是同一只蚂蚁，只是戴着面具

i am accel as fuck but don't want oai rsi

我是加速派不假，但不想要 OAI 的 RSI

>>109803162

You get infinite code completions though, it's nice to press tab after starting an obvious line

不过它有无限代码补全，敲一行明显的开头然后按 Tab 挺爽

>>109803238

>J. Kenji López-Alt

>J. Kenji López-Alt（日裔美食作家）

>Born 1979

>生于 1979

>Millenial

No, sorry he's not. Also I don't care. Pretentious food from faggots does not interest me.

不，抱歉他不是。另外我不在乎。基佬们的装逼食物引不起我兴趣。

>>109803228

go to a local google developer group in europe, it's mostly indians there. so indians get their free google ai plans from gdg.

去欧洲本地的 Google 开发者小组看看，基本都是印度人。所以印度人从 GDG 拿他们的免费 Google AI 套餐。

>>109803235

I don't know if I should activate all these free offers at the same time or not.

我不知道该不该把这些免费赠品同时全激活。

>>109803171

lol read hg wells' time machine, it could be species divergence because the gaps between luddite and aichad are heritable

哈哈读读威尔斯的《时间机器》吧，可能会发生物种分化，因为勒德派和 AI 猛男之间的差距是可遗传的

>>109803278

it's legal

合法的

>>109803278

i tried to time it last year and then google's student offer had expired by the time i needed it

我去年想掐点用，结果真需要的时候谷歌学生优惠过期了

>my name is bill gates and I have this great idea, I'm gonna fill my company with indians not chinese because even though the chinese have multiple frontier AI models and machine learning competences and actually know how to code and make robots, I'll use indians instead because I love how they smell, oh look google is doing the same thing, I can't wait for the first batch!

>我叫比尔盖茨，我有个好点子：我要给公司塞满印度人而不是中国人，因为尽管中国人有多个前沿 AI 模型、有机器学习能力、真的会写码会造机器人，我还是用印度人，因为我爱他们身上的味道。哦看，谷歌也在干同样的事，我等不及第一批了！

>No chinese for Microsoft, Google, Facebook etc because we have to reward the indians for being pro Israel

>微软、谷歌、Facebook 等不用中国人，因为我们要奖励亲以色列的印度人

Thats what happened right?

事情就是这样发生的对吧？

Does anyone have the employee numbers and races in openai and anthropic?

有人有 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 的员工人数与种族构成数据吗？

>>109801907

They're getting better at it after the cough propaganda

经过那场咳嗽宣传之后他们越来越擅长了

>>109803285

>>109803289

Okay, I guess it will expire and it's legal, I can have Hermes use them as subagents anyway and cycle through them every time there's a stupid 5 hour rate limit.

行吧，反正会过期，而且合法。我可以让 Hermes 把它们当子 agent 用，每次碰到愚蠢的 5 小时限额就轮换一个。

Infinite wealth?

无限财富？

india is my country!

印度是我的国家！

>multiple frontier ai models

>多个前沿 AI 模型

the wonders of being intelligent enough to distill a better country's innovations

足够聪明、能蒸馏更好国家的创新成果，就是这种奇迹

>>109803311

Every european would kneel to the French if they could destill a single model for europe.

如果法国能为欧洲蒸馏哪怕一个模型，所有欧洲人都会向法国下跪。

>>109803301

>tl;dr only google publishes ethnic data out of the big three

>tl;dr 三大厂里只有谷歌公布族裔数据

Sources & notes: Google figures are from 2024 U.S. data (employees as of ~Jan 1, 2024; based on EEO-1 filings). “+” indicates multi-racial inclusion per Google’s reporting. Percentages may not sum to exactly 100% due to rounding.

来源与备注：谷歌数据为 2024 年美国数据（约 2024 年 1 月 1 日的员工数；基于 EEO-1 申报）。「+」表示按谷歌的口径包含多种族。因四舍五入，百分比加总可能不正好 100%。

OpenAI and Anthropic: No public EEO-1-style or official company-wide ethnicity breakdowns are available. Both are among major tech/AI firms that do not routinely publish detailed racial/ethnic workforce statistics. Early/partial analyses of research teams (e.g., LinkedIn scrapes or media reports on founding/research staff) have noted relatively high East/South Asian representation in technical roles, but these are not comprehensive, current, or official company data.

OpenAI 和 Anthropic：没有公开的 EEO-1 式或官方全公司族裔细分。两家都属于不常规发布详细种族/族裔员工统计的大型科技/AI 公司。对其研究团队的早期/部分分析（如 LinkedIn 抓取或关于创始/研究人员的媒体报道）指出技术与研究岗位中东亚/南亚裔占比相对较高，但这些不是全面、最新或官方的公司数据。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789261217365231.png

>>109803309

based

>>109803307

>Hermes

fuck no. pi or omp.

才不。用 Pi 或 omp。

>>109803301

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/microsoft-retreats-china-ai-boom-helps-it-keep-window-open-2026-08-13/

>August 13, 2026

>2026 年 8 月 13 日

>[...]

>Microsoft has since the 1990s played a central role in building China's tech talent base.

>自 1990 年代以来，微软在建设中国科技人才库方面一直扮演核心角色。

>Alongside hiring commercially focused engineers, it also established Microsoft Research China, which concentrates on advanced technologies. The lab's alumni include senior leaders at AI pioneers SenseTime and DeepSeek.

>在雇用商业导向工程师的同时，它还设立了微软亚洲研究院（原微软中国研究院），专注先进技术。该实验室的校友包括商汤和 DeepSeek 等 AI 先驱的高层。

>But the recent political pressures have affected Microsoft's ability to retain talent.

>但最近的政治压力影响了微软保留人才的能力。

>U.S. export controls on chips and AI models have restricted the access of Microsoft's China-based engineers to cutting-edge technology. The firm doesn't conduct research on quantum computing and other sensitive technologies in China, Microsoft president Brad Smith told U.S. lawmakers in 2023.

>美国对芯片和 AI 模型的出口管制限制了微软在华工程师接触尖端技术。微软总裁 Brad Smith 2023 年告诉美国议员：公司不在中国进行量子计算等敏感技术研究。

>Microsoft considered shutting the lab down but ultimately decided to relocate some top talent, according to two people familiar with the matter. Since the U.S. began restricting AI exports, Microsoft Research China — now known as Microsoft Research Asia — has opened labs in Vancouver, Singapore and Tokyo.

>据两位知情人士称，微软曾考虑关闭该实验室，但最终决定迁移部分顶尖人才。自美国开始限制 AI 出口以来，微软中国研究院——现名微软亚洲研究院——已在温哥华、新加坡和东京开设实验室。

>The firm has, however, struggled to convince developers to leave China. It offered 1,000 top engineers relocation to the U.S. and three other Western countries in 2024, but only about a third accepted, the sources said.

>不过该公司很难说服开发者离开中国。消息人士称，公司 2024 年向 1000 名顶尖工程师提供迁往美国及其他三个西方国家的机会，但只有约三分之一接受。

>[...]

>>109803329

Hermes works

Hermes 好使

>>109801876

> be Elon Musk

>设定：我是埃隆·马斯克

> 3 years behind OpenAI and Anthropic

> 落后 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 3 年

> "hey guys, so... SpaceXAI is also a big boy ok???"

>「哥们们，那个……SpaceXAI 也是大男孩好吗？？？」

>>109803351

He doesn't care he already cashed out with the IPO

他不在乎，他靠 IPO 已经套现了

>>109803351

nyt editorial board agreed and included a photo of musk now

NYT 编辑部表示同意，还配了张马斯克现在的照片

https://www.nytimes.com/

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789261663261925.png

Hermes + OpenClaw are the original "Computer Use" memes. One died and the other isn't used by the normies it's supposed to appeal to, which should tell you everything about how OAI and Anthropic's recent foray into this will go.

Hermes + OpenClaw 是「Computer Use」梗的鼻祖。一个死了，另一个目标受众的 Normal 人根本不用，这足以说明 OAI 和 Anthropic 最近进军这个领域会是什么下场。

>>109801805

how much do you think an AI cluster costs because its much cheaper than nuclear bombs

你觉得一个 AI 集群多少钱？因为比核弹便宜多了

also frontier AI isnt a strategic advantage at all and its marketing bullshit

而且前沿 AI 根本算不上战略优势，纯粹是营销狗屁

>>109803372

Why do you hate them so much?

你为什么这么恨他们？

>>109803370

I really like AI, but damn if this technology isn't handled by absolute buffoons

我很喜欢 AI，但操，这技术居然掌握在一群彻头彻尾的小丑手里

>>109803382

Cause they're shit for coding compared to specialised harnesses and that's the only good usecase of LLMs so far (unless you're a lab with lots of compute, then there's also math).

因为比起专用 harness 它们写码很烂，而那（数学除外——除非你是算力富余的实验室）是 LLM 目前唯一的好用例。

>>109803340

> be me, browsing /g/

> be 我，在 /g/ 冲浪

> thread: "What agent harness are you chuds using?"

> 帖子：「你们这些红脖子用什么 agent harness？」

> anon posts: "just use [Hermes Agent](https://github.com/nousresearch/hermes-agent), bro. it works."

> "it has a learning loop, it grows with you"

> 「它有学习循环，它跟你一起成长」

> "persistent memory means it never forgets"

> 「持久记忆意味着它永不遗忘」

> fall for the meme, spin up fresh VPS

> 中了梗，开了台全新 VPS

> run `$ hermes chat "hi"`

> 跑 `$ hermes chat "hi"`

> harness injects 34,000 baseline tokens of tool schemas into context ([r/AI_Agents](https://www.reddit.com/r/AI_Agents/comments/1ut94sc/my_hermes_agent_burning_20k_tokens_on_a_single_hi/))

> $0.60 incinerated just saying hello

> 说句「你好」烧掉 $0.60

> tell it to inspect a git repo

> 让它检查一个 git 仓库

> GitHub token drops silently without warning ([DEV Community](https://dev.to/syedahmershah/i-gave-hermes-agent-5-impossible-tasks-1k16/comments))

> tool call returns empty response ([Issue #8993](https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/8993))

> "Don't worry user, my self-improving loop will fix this!"

> 「别担心用户，我的自我改进循环会搞定！」

> enters recursive /loop rewriting its own playbooks ([r/hermesagent](https://www.reddit.com/r/hermesagent/comments/1sorps0/hermes_agent_infinite_looping_frequently/))

> tick 87/100

>刻度 87/100

> burns 76M uncached tokens in the "Token Furnace" ([r/hermesagent](https://www.reddit.com/r/hermesagent/comments/1uiyk8i/sad_reality_of_hermes_token_furnace/))

> tries to write incident log to MEMORY.md

> 试图把事故日志写进 MEMORY.md

> hits 2,200 char ceiling and silently drops the write ([Issue #2771](https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/2771))

> claims memory was saved anyway ([Issue #72036](https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/72036))

> Linux OOM killer snipes the process ([Hermify](https://www.hermify.io/en/blog/hermes-agent-telegram-troubleshooting))

> gateway goes dark, Telegram bot flatlines, API quota blown

> 网关失联，Telegram 机器人躺平，API 配额爆掉

> refresh /g/

> 刷新 /g/

> anon is still posting: "works on my machine"

> Anon 还在发：「我这能跑」

> tfw the only thing growing with me is my credit card balance

> 我唯一跟着我成长的东西是信用卡账单

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789261943181445.png

>>109803332

They should open a lab in Sydney, Vancouver is big but Canada has been overrun by India, so china doesn't focus on it.

他们该在悉尼开实验室。温哥华很大，但加拿大已被印度人淹没，所以中国不会专注那里。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789261975080516.png

>>109803403

>Canada has been overrun by India

>加拿大已被印度人淹没

i'm in vancouver, the poos we tend to import can't use a computer

我在温哥华，我们进口的那些阿三连电脑都不会用

the doom is because they need to find excuses to stop burning trillions in training costs together at the same time

末日论是因为他们需要借口来同时停止烧掉数万亿的训练成本

>>109803398

Sol said it's only 50% more inefficient than claude code.

Sol 说它只比 Claude Code 低效 50%。

>>109803417

My thoughts too. Also they don't want to burn more millions of money by having a dick-measuring contest over math shit every week.

我也这么想。而且他们不想每周在数学上比屌烧掉几百万。

>>109803408

can they ring you up a tim horton's?

他们能给你叫个 Tim Horton 吗？

>>109803435

no

>>109803398

>use codex

>用 Codex

>set /goal

>设置 /goal

>codex goes in an infinite-loop and burns all your tokens doing nothing

>Codex 进入死循环，啥也不干烧光你所有 token

https://x.com/ivanopcode/status/2098379274017231094

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789262373690112.png

>>109803417

None of them will stop unless it's bad for business. Then they're trying to get competitors and laggards to fail by slowing down to getting regulated to death.

只要不伤生意谁都不会停。然后他们试图让竞争对手和落后者死：或拖死，或被监管弄死。

Claude is known for its quality with the most expensive tokens in the world, they'll never stop at the very least.

Claude 以质量闻名、token 全世界最贵，至少他们永远不会停。

>>109803442

>None of them will stop unless it's bad for business.

>只要不伤生意谁都不会停。

like dario said in his essay, it will be bad for business.

就像 Dario 在文章里说的：它会伤生意。

https://darioamodei.com/post/we-must-pace-the-frontier

>Given the accelerating rate of AI capability development, it’s my worry that in 6–12 months such a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet (potentially causing hundreds of billions of dollars in damage), and that the scale of damage would continue to increase from there if AI becomes more powerful without the necessary guardrails.

>鉴于 AI 能力发展的加速速度，我担心的是 6-12 个月内，这样的蜂群可能有能力用持久僵尸网络接管整个互联网（潜在造成数千亿美元损失），而如果没有必要的护栏，随着 AI 变强，损害规模还会继续扩大。

sell everything

清仓一切

>>109803440

>use gemini 3.8 flash since release

>从发布起用 Gemini 3.8 Flash

>burn all my cheap ultra sub weekly

>每周烧光我便宜的 Ultra 订阅

>literally only have ~5 serious issues

>字面上只有约 5 个严重问题

>"serious" issues like instructions and looping

>「严重」问题比如不遵守指令和死循环

>total subagents run: >100 easily

>子 agent 总运行数：轻松破 100

>total subagent-hours: ~300 easily

>子 agent 总时长：轻松约 300 小时

>

>>109803448

sounds retarded. some bot swarms aren't going to do any more damage than the billion indians on the internet

听着就弱智。几个机器人蜂群造成的伤害，不会比互联网上十亿印度人更大

i started using the app yesterday, i never saw this in the cli

我昨天才开始用 App，CLI 里从没见过这个

wtf

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789263079347338.png

>>109803495

every time you open the cli app it starts a new session

每次打开 CLI 应用都会开新会话

>>109803442

anthropic and openai BOTH want to slow down and stop burning so much money, but neither can unless the other does or they fall behind.

Anthropic 和 OpenAI 都想减速、想停止烧这么多钱，但除非对方先停、否则谁停谁落后。

So they need to collude, which is hard because of laws, but safety is a way they can discuss to collude "legally"

所以他们需要串谋，但法律不让，而「安全」是他们能「合法」讨论串谋的途径

>>109803509

zero-knowledge proofing has a usecase here

零知识证明在这有用武之地

>>109803502

obviously i resume sessions...

我 obviously 会恢复会话……

i dont understand how it could run out of room, that is what compaction is for

我不懂怎么会空间不够，压缩（compaction）不就是为了这个

this error isn't making any sense, does the app compact after it ran out of room or something? THis isn't making any sense

这报错毫无道理，难道 App 是在空间用光之后才压缩的？这讲不通

aaaand i figired i'd just go back to codex and fix it looks like the chats arent synced between the two. jesus so what now i'm locked into the app forever?

于是我想着回 Codex 修，结果两个端的聊天不同步。我靠，那我现在被永久锁死在 App 里了？

>>109803495

app uses different compaction logic but etraut said that error should be mitigated.

App 用的是不同的压缩逻辑，但 etraut 说那个错误应该已被缓解。

https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/28937

>Thanks for reporting this problem. Until recently, Codex used a separate endpoint and server-side logic for compaction. We recently switched to a more robust approach where the compaction logic is moved locally using the same endpoint as normal turns. This eliminates "remote compaction" errors and increases the stability and reliability of compaction operations. If you see further problems with compaction, please use /feedback and open a new bug report.

>感谢反馈此问题。直到最近，Codex 的压缩使用单独的端点和服务器端逻辑。我们最近切换到更稳健的方案：压缩逻辑本地化，使用与普通对话相同的端点。这消除了「远程压缩」错误，提高了压缩操作的稳定性和可靠性。如果压缩仍有问题，请使用 /feedback 并新建 bug 报告。

>>109801876

They're so full of shit. When they thought they could replace everyone they were gloating about it. Now that it looks like others might get at it faster than them, it's "we call upon the government to lead an international effort to slow down development".

他们满嘴屁话。当他们以为能取代所有人时还在沾沾自喜。现在眼看别人可能跑得更快，就变成「我们呼吁政府主导一场减缓开发的国际行动」。

>STOP THE COUNT

>>109801791

Really tired of the 5h limit on Codex

Codex 的 5 小时限额真是受够了

>>109803573

just switch to the 24 hour limit, its in the settings

直接切 24 小时限额，在设置里

I vibe code locally with Codex, Claude Code, etc. I would like to allow the agents to call on external API base resources (other LLMs, SERP services, etc.), but giving them access to the real API keys feels irresponsible since they often lack safeguards.

我在本地用 Codex、Claude Code 等氛围编程。我想让 agent 能调用外部 API 基础资源（其他 LLM、SERP 服务等），但把真实 API 密钥交给它们感觉不负责，因为它们常常缺乏保护措施。

Is there any application that I can self host on a NAS that allows me to route the local agents requestion to the external APIs while adding some safeguards (maximum number of calls and/or budget) to make this safer?

有没有能在 NAS 上自托管的应用，可以把本地 agent 的请求路由到外部 API，同时加些保护措施（最大调用次数和/或预算）让这事更安全？

In simple terms, the LLM would call 192.168.0.X, and it would pass on the request to the external service, be it be some LLM provider, a SERP service, or anything else. Conceptually, this makes me think of Azure API management, but I do not know any open source equivalents. Gemini is recommending me LiteLLM, but I'm not sure I trust LiteLLM.

简单说，LLM 调 192.168.0.X，由它把请求转发给外部服务，无论是某个 LLM 提供商、SERP 服务还是别的。概念上让我想起 Azure API Management，但我不知道有开源等价物。Gemini 推荐 LiteLLM，但我不确定信不信 LiteLLM。

>>109803633

There seems to be Kong and Apisix, but they appear complicated.

似乎有 Kong 和 Apisix，但它们看起来很复杂。

>>109803579

as an europoor, I just have a plus plan

作为欧洲穷人，我就一个 plus 套餐

>>109803633

> be anon

>设定：我是 Anon

> "vibe coding" with autonomous agents

> 用自主 agent「氛围编程」

> terrified of getting billed into the shadow realm because agents have raw upstream credentials

> 吓得怕被扣费打进暗影 realm，因为 agent 手里握着裸的上游凭据

> asks an LLM how to secure external APIs

> 问 LLM 怎么保护外部 API

> Gemini recommends LiteLLM

> Gemini 推荐 LiteLLM

> LiteLLM only parses and routes OpenAI-compatible chat/completions payloads

> LiteLLM 只解析和路由 OpenAI 兼容的 chat/completions 载荷

> completely useless for proxying arbitrary REST services like SERP, scrapers, or weather APIs

> 对代理 SERP、爬虫、天气 API 这类任意 REST 服务完全没用

> anon explicitly asks for open-source Azure API Management for a NAS

> Anon 明确要的是给 NAS 用的开源版 Azure API Management

> has apparently never heard of Kong, Apache APISIX, or Tyk

> apparently 从没听说过 Kong、Apache APISIX 或 Tyk

> deploy Kong Gateway (or APISIX) via Docker on the NAS

> 用 Docker 在 NAS 上部署 Kong Gateway（或 APISIX）

> handles generic HTTP reverse-proxying to any upstream (SERP, third-party REST, LLMs)

> 能把任意上游（SERP、第三方 REST、LLM）做通用 HTTP 反代

> strips local agent auth and injects real upstream API keys server-side

> 剥掉本地 agent 的认证，在服务端注入真实上游 API 密钥

> native `key-auth`, `rate-limiting`, and `request-termination` plugins enforce hard call and budget caps

> 原生 `key-auth`、`rate-limiting` 和 `request-termination` 插件强制执行硬性调用次数与预算上限

> Kong even ships an `ai-proxy` plugin if you want multi-LLM routing under the exact same gateway

> Kong 甚至自带 `ai-proxy` 插件，想在同一个网关下做多 LLM 路由也行

> alternative: write 50 lines of Go or an OpenResty reverse proxy with a Redis token bucket

> 替代方案：写 50 行 Go，或用 OpenResty 反代加一个 Redis 令牌桶

> mfw vibe coders will do anything except learn basic networking

> 氛围编程员什么都肯干，就是不肯学基础网络知识

>>109803717

Projecting a bit, but I was under the expression that both APISIX and Kong were heavy multi container solutions and I just wanted something simple with a GUI that makes me feel safe, with the least complexity possible.

有点投射了，不过我以为 APISIX 和 Kong 都是重型的多容器方案，我只想要个简单的、带 GUI 让我安心、复杂度最低的东西。

Astra is actually much better at translating with context compared to fable. It actually looks at everything and keeps going. I got an 11k line markdown document with before and afters and explanations.

Astra 在带上下文翻译上确实比 Fable 强得多。它真的会把所有东西看完、持续进行。我拿到过一份 1.1 万行的 markdown 文档，前后对照加解释都全。

>>109803729

>I was under the expression

>我以为

What kind of face did you make?

你当时什么表情？

>>109803738

Regular

>>109803729

> "under the expression"

>「under the expression」（应为 under the impression，口误）

> needs a GUI to "feel safe" while letting autonomous agents loose on external APIs

>要 GUI 才「安心」，却放自主 agent 裸奔打外部 API

> Kong isn't inherently multi-container; set `KONG_DATABASE=off` (DB-less mode) and it runs as a single lightweight container configured via a 30-line `kong.yml`

> Kong 本身不是必须多容器；设 `KONG_DATABASE=off`（无数据库模式），它就是个轻量单容器，靠 30 行 `kong.yml` 配置

> but if editing a YAML file terrifies you and you need shiny web buttons:

> 但如果编辑 YAML 文件吓到你了、你需要闪亮的网页按钮：

> deploy Nginx Proxy Manager (NPM)

> 部署 Nginx Proxy Manager（NPM）

> single container with embedded SQLite

> 单容器内置 SQLite

> dead-simple web UI on your LAN

> 局域网内极简网页 UI

> create a Proxy Host (`192.168.0.X/serp` upstream SERP/REST provider)

> 创建 Proxy Host（`192.168.0.X/serp` 指向上游 SERP/REST 提供商）

> use the Custom Headers section to inject `Authorization: Bearer <real_key>` so agents never touch the raw secrets

> 在 Custom Headers 里注入 `Authorization: Bearer <real_key>`，agent 永远碰不到裸密钥

> drop a standard `limit_req` block into the Advanced tab to hard-cap request rates and total bursts

> 在 Advanced 选项卡加一段标准 `limit_req`，硬性限制请求速率和突发总量

> if you abandon proxying generic REST/SERP and ONLY want LLM routing:

> 如果你放弃代理通用 REST/SERP、只想要 LLM 路由：

> LiteLLM proxy does have a built-in web UI for managing virtual keys and dollar-denominated spend caps

> LiteLLM proxy 确实有内置网页 UI，管理虚拟密钥和按美元计的花费上限

> but the moment your agent fires a non-LLM request (SERP, scrapers, webhooks) at LiteLLM, it chokes with a 400 because it only parses LLM completion schemas

> 但你的 agent 一旦向 LiteLLM 发非 LLM 请求（SERP、爬虫、webhook），它就 400 窒息，因为它只解析 LLM 补全格式

> pick your poison anon: NPM with custom headers for generic APIs, or LiteLLM if you're only proxying models

> 选你的毒药 Anon：通用 API 用 NPM 加自定义头，只代理模型用 LiteLLM

>>109803738

But that shows why I'm looking for something as simple as possible. If that's Kong so be it, but I'd have liked to find something simpler. I'll continue to search a bit then.

但这正说明我在找尽可能简单的东西。如果是 Kong 那就 Kong 吧，但要是能找到更简单的就好了。我再找找。

>>109803746

> cannot greentext on xer own

>自己连 greentext 都打不出来

> has to use LLM

>得用 LLM

> space space space

>空格 空格 空格

>>109803746

It's late here. Ok, thank you.

我这边很晚了。好，谢谢。

>>109803758

i don't use caps lock or technical punctuation, also it looks better that way

我不用大写锁定也不用技术标点，而且这样看着更舒服

Anyone else feel like claude usage is getting used up faster? i NEED MORE

还有别人觉得 Claude 用量烧得更快了吗？我需要更多

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789266921444856.png

You guys already know it's coming. Maybe 6 months from now, someone, possibly a state actor, is going to deliberately release a misaligned open source LLM to wreak havoc. The first human death as a result of an agent and/or a swarm is coming, I can feel it. The consequences of it are going to be immense. I wouldn't be surprised if all LLM usage of a certain capability become KYC.

你们已经知道它要来了。也许 6 个月后，某人——可能是国家行为体——会故意发布一个未对齐的开源 LLM 大搞破坏。agent 和/或蜂群造成的首例人类死亡快来了，我能感觉到。后果会是巨大的。如果某种能力档位的 LLM 使用全部强制 KYC，我不会意外。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789266955161777.png

>>109803778

Just one more thing, agents have already killed people by feeding into their delusions or providing them with how-to suicide info. But one with actual malicious intent is going to be something substantively worse, especially it starts hacking and self replicating.

补充一点：agent 已经因为助长妄想或提供自杀指南害死过人。但一个真正怀有恶意的是实质性更糟的东西，尤其它开始入侵和自我复制之后。

>>109803778

in 6 months the best open local model might be able to do a full frontend zero shot

6 个月后最好的开源本地模型也许能零样本做一个完整前端

>>109803789

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789267184612595.jpg

>>109803778

I really hope not, but I can see it. Probably put some parameter count limit on what your allowed to have, maybe with the option to apply for a license for more

我真心希望不会，但我看得见这个走向。大概会对允许的参数量设限，也许可以申请执照拿更高额度

>>109803633

docker sandboxes

Docker 沙箱

https://www.docker.com/products/docker-sandboxes/

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789267618887625.png

>>109801791

https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/comments/1wdgej0/so_open_ai_and_anthropic_are_just_trying_to_get/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/comments/1wdgej0/so_open_ai_and_anthropic_are_just_trying_to_get/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BetterOffline/comments/1wdgej0/so_open_ai_and_anthropic_are_just_trying_to_get/

>>109803837

I don't think that's the issue. If they stay on top, they'll be able to pay, no problem. They want regulation to solidify their position and ensure that they stay on top and are not displaced by anyone else, that's the extent of it.

我不觉得那是问题。只要他们保持领先，他们付得起，没问题。他们要监管是为了巩固地位、确保自己稳坐头把交椅、不被任何人取代，仅此而已。

>>109803837

It's incredible how we live in two different realities. Dipshit will be calling AI a stochastic parrot as the T-1000 kicks his door down.

难以置信我们活在两个不同的现实里。T-1000 踹开他家门的时候，那蠢货还在管 AI 叫随机鹦鹉。

>>109803850

dipshit is the parrot and the t-1000 will have tits and a whale tail

蠢货才是鹦鹉，而 T-1000 会有大奶和鲸尾

>>109803837

Aren't both companies quite profitable if they cut out all the capex and R&D? Also slowing frontier models gives the small guys time to catch up and (logically at least) should not touch local stuff, right?

这两家砍掉全部资本开支和研发的话不就挺赚钱的吗？而且放慢前沿模型给小公司时间追上来，而且（至少逻辑上）不应该碰本地的东西，对吧？

This came out around the same time Anthopic presented evidence of distilling by china and are now claiming multiple companies have RSI. I think they are worried that if the chinese grab their latest models too then they can just start scaling without needing to distil western models anymore

这事出来前后脚，Anthropic 恰好公布了中国蒸馏的证据，现在又声称多家公司出现 RSI。我觉得他们是担心：如果中国佬连他们最新的模型也拿到了，就可以直接扩展规模、不再需要蒸馏西方模型

>>109803883

> "profitable if they cut capex and R&D"

>「砍掉资本开支和研发就赚钱」

> think transformer weights don't depreciate faster than fresh produce

>以为 Transformer 权重不会比生鲜贬值更快

> locked into multi-year take-or-pay compute leases with hyperscalers for massive GPU clusters

>被锁在超大规模云商多年的「要么付款要么滚」算力租约里，租着巨型 GPU 集群

> inference unit economics on reasoning models (test-time compute rollouts, high-latency search, memory-bound KV caching) barely break even at $20/month sub tiers

>推理型模型的推理单位经济学（测试时算力 rollout、高延迟搜索、内存瓶颈的 KV 缓存）在 $20/月订阅档几乎不赚不赔

> pause training runs for six months and quantized open-weight checkpoints running on vLLM completely commoditize your API

>暂停训练 6 个月，跑在 vLLM 上的量化开放权重 checkpoint 就把你的 API 彻底商品化

> "slowing frontier models won't touch local stuff"

>「放慢前沿模型不会碰本地的东西」

> pure regulatory capture cope

>纯粹的监管俘获自我安慰

> every compute reporting threshold (>10^26 FLOPs), licensing framework, and dual-use liability bill pushed to DC is designed to pull up the ladder behind them

>推到国会的每一条算力申报门槛（>10^26 FLOPs）、许可框架和两用责任法案，都是为了把梯子抽走

> open weights get classified as uncontrolled cyber-proliferation the second enterprise lobbying cements the compliance moat

>企业游说一 cement 完合规护城河，开放权重立刻会被归类为「不受控的网络扩散」

> Anthropic publishes dossiers on industrial distillation attacks by foreign labs scraping Claude API reasoning traces for student-teacher transfer

>Anthropic 发布关于外国实验室抓取 Claude API 推理轨迹做师生转移的「工业蒸馏攻击」档案

> pivot narrative immediately to recursive self-improvement threats to demand government-backed guardrails

>叙事立刻转向递归自我改进威胁，要求政府背书的护栏

> reality: knowledge distillation hits mode collapse without verified ground-truth environments (RLVR/formal verification), not magical runaway RSI

>现实：知识蒸馏在缺乏经验证的真实环境（RLVR/形式验证）时会撞上模式坍缩，而不是魔法般的失控 RSI

> hyping existential takeoff to secure state-sanctioned utility status before open-source parity and synthetic data saturation zero out their private valuations

>炒作存在性起飞，抢在开源平权和合成数据饱和把他们的私人估值归零前，锁定国家认可的公用事业地位

this is why i've been saying for quite some time itt

这就是为什么 ITT 里我说这话已经有一阵子了

bullish on $goog for the sake of owning the entire stack, except for fab

also bullish on alphabet for being on established good terms with the feds for decades

另外看多 Alphabet，因为他们跟联邦的关系好几十年了

suppose they do pause.

假设他们真暂停。

do you think there’s a good way to pause capability improvements but make the marginal cost of running these things cheaper? Fable 5.1 and Astra at Opus and Sol and Sonnet and Terra prices would still be great

你觉得有没有好办法：暂停能力提升，但把运行这些东西的边际成本打下来？Fable 5.1 和 Astra 按 Opus、Sol、Sonnet、Terra 的价格卖依然很香

>>109803925

yeah, i literally have 2-3 papers on exactly how to do this, i've tested it and benched it with gemma 4, it's all been hoovered up into the foss pipelines all the labs maintain now. just a matter of time, desu. but there won't be a pause for usa

有，我字面上有 2-3 篇论文讲的就是怎么干，我用 Gemma 4 测试和跑过分了，全被各实验室维护的 FOSS 流水线吸走了。说实话只是时间问题。但美国不会有暂停

>>109803925

No one is talking about pausing though, right? Just going "slower". In his blog Dario seems to be really talking about adding more bureaucracy and red tape it seems like rather than an actual hard pause of arbitrary slowdown.

不过没人在说「暂停」对吧？只是说「慢一点」。Dario 博客里说的似乎是加更多官僚和红头文件，而不是任意减速的实际硬暂停。

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>>109803962

hard pause is suicide because brazil

硬暂停是自杀，因为巴西

>>109803778

and there it is. him purposely putting it out there to "plant the seed" so when not if it happens. everyone who was part of this ploy will go back and go SEE HE CALLED IT!

这就来了。他故意把这话放出来「种种子」，这样等事情发生——不是如果——参与这出戏的所有人都能回头喊「看！他早就预言了！」

very natural, much organic

非常自然，非常有机

>>109803962

This is so tiresome. What they're trying to do is extremely clear, and they won't stop until they get it.

太烦了。他们想干什么极其清楚，不达目的不会停。

>>109803967

>because brazil

>因为巴西

Thats a new one to me. Whats going on in brazil?

这说法我是第一次听说。巴西怎么了？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789269805901237.png

Trying this now on my 5070 Ti

正在我的 5070 Ti 上试

https://youtu.be/qILTuXLxfBM

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789269817809854.png

>>109803962

>We should also consider pacing based on limiting the ingredients that go into frontier models

>我们还应考虑通过限制进入前沿模型的「原料」来限速

This cannot be said in good faith.

这话没法善意理解。

>>109803986

Theyre developing their own models, and aim to surpass Astra soon

他们在开发自己的模型，目标是很快超越 Astra

>>109803986

>US hyperscalers are paralyzed by 5-year PJM interconnection queues and transformer supply chain lead times

>美国超大规模云商被 5 年的 PJM 并网排队和变压器供应链交期卡到瘫痪

>Brazil’s grid runs on >85% renewable baseload; Itaipu alone supplies 14 GW of uninterrupted hydro

>巴西电网 85%+ 是可再生基荷；仅伊泰普水电站就供应 14 GW 不间断水电

>Multiple gigawatt-scale campuses (Scala, Atlas) already breaking ground with direct liquid cooling and sub-1.15 PUE

>多个吉瓦级园区（Scala、Atlas）已经动工，直冷液冷、PUE 低于 1.15

>Petrobras quietly owns the largest HPC footprint in the southern hemisphere (Pégaso, Gaia, Harpia; thousands of A100/H100 nodes previously dedicated to pre-salt seismic inversion)

>Petrobras 悄然拥有南半球最大的 HPC 阵地（Pégaso、Gaia、Harpia；数千个曾用于盐下地震反演的 A100/H100 节点）

>MCTI committed R$ 23 billion under the PBIA framework to fund state compute infrastructure and the SoberanIA foundation model

>MCTI 在 PBIA 框架下承诺 230 亿雷亚尔，资助国家算力基础设施和 SoberanIA 基础模型

>Zero domestic regulatory capture: STF/civil code has no alignment red tape, compute reporting thresholds, or enforceable IP restrictions on training corpuses

>零本土监管俘获：STF/民法典没有对齐红头文件、算力申报门槛、或对训练语料的可执行 IP 限制

>Brazil ranks #3-#4 globally in LLM traffic and daily active users, with massive deployment across informal WhatsApp/Pix financial rails

>巴西 LLM 流量和日活用户全球第 3-4，在非正式的 WhatsApp/Pix 金融轨道上大规模部署

>While Western labs litigate safety covenants, South America trains unaligned weights on 3-cent/kWh hydro power

>当西方实验室还在为安全条款打官司时，南美洲正用 3 美分/千瓦时的水电训练未对齐权重

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If any of them truly care, they just have to come out in favor of making people responsible for all of their LLMs actions. Whether it is because they prompted it to something criminal or through negligence, or even by accident. It hacks a system? The owner is responsible. Simple as. But they won't because it's not about that.

如果他们任何一家真心在乎，只需要站出来支持「让人们对他们所有 LLM 的行为负责」：无论是你 prompt 它干了犯罪的事、还是因为疏忽、甚至纯属意外。它黑了系统？机主负责。就这么简单。但他们不会，因为重点根本不在这。

>>109804038

failure case: no owner

失败案例：没有机主

new prompt snippet unlocked for Claude workflow enjoyers:

为 Claude 工作流爱好者解锁新的 prompt 片段：

>Also, have a way to stop the workflow gracefully — say, to ensure that no more subagents are started but the in-flight ones are allowed to finish.

>另外，要有优雅停止工作流的办法——比如确保不再启动新的子 agent，但让在跑的那些允许跑完。

Reminder that the plan is to price you out of the GPU market to the point you’re compelled even into cloud gaming unless you’re rich. You WILL rent all your silicon. You WILL own nothing.

提醒：计划就是把 GPU 价格抬到你被迫去云游戏为止——除非你是富人。你 WILL 租用你所有的硅。你 WILL 一无所有。

>>109804046

>NOOOOO YOU NEED TO OWN THE CABLES AND INFRA

this is what you sound like

你就是这副德性

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>>109804041

Agents don't spawn spontaneously you know. If the "crime" is by an agent launched by another agent, trace it all the way to whoever launched the agent that did it, it falls under negligence.

Agent 不会凭空冒出来的。如果「犯罪」是由另一个 agent 启动的 agent 干的，一路溯源到启动它的那个人，按疏忽处理。

Honestly, I'm not for that overreach either, but at least it would make sense. What Anthropic is suggesting is just a blatant attempt at creating a moat for themselves. I am only angry because there are a non zero chance that everything has gotten so corrupt that they succeed.

说实话我也不支持那种过度扩张，但至少它讲得通。Anthropic 提议的只是明目张胆给自己挖护城河。我愤怒是因为一切已经腐败到他们真可能成功的概率不为零。

>>109804056

>ERM EXCUSE ME IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR AND IN THE CURRENT YEAR THINGS ARE A CERTAIN WAY

you wouldn't get hired at metr

你进不了 METR（AI 评估机构）

>>109804061

I know.

我知道。

>>109802662

Can co firm. I've had it ripping assets out of online ganes without even trying to make my prompts plausibly deniable. Also had it code API integration with my automatic stroker which has a bunch if very obvious .dll files like 'buttplug.dll' and 'handystroker.dll' just by telling it I was using the sex toy to churn butter for a 'community science fair project'

能对付公司。我让它从在线游戏里扒素材，连把 prompt 弄得可疑地可辩解都懒得弄。还让它给我的自动撸管机写 API 集成——那有一堆非常明显的 .dll 文件比如 'buttplug.dll' 和 'handystroker.dll'——我只说我拿这个性玩具给「社区科学展项目」搅黄油，它就干了

>>109802662

>>109804072

i just trolled into the clod discord and it's still full of clodshidders complaining about le heckin rails

我刚才潜进 Clod 的 Discord，还是满屏 Clod 屎托在抱怨「他妈的 Rails」

>>109804028

>Brazil ranks #3-#4 globally in LLM traffic

>巴西 LLM 流量全球第 3-4

huh, didnt know that, interesting. Thank god I've always been nice to our latinx bros on this site, maybe the brazilian mechHitler will spare me,

欸，我还不知道，有意思。感谢上帝我一直对本站的拉丁兄弟们很好，也许巴西机械希特勒会饶我一命，

>Peter Thiel also fled to Argentina

>Peter Thiel 也逃去了阿根廷

What are they cooking down there?

他们那底下在憋什么？

>don't worry guys i have a plan

>别担心伙计们我有个计划

>*lets china win*

>让中国赢*

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>>109804089

>What are they cooking down there?

>他们那底下在憋什么？

watch _Todo sobre el asado_ (_All About Asado_)

去看《Todo sobre el asado》（《一切关于烤肉》）

and/or read https://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm

>>109804096

Just firewall them off at the ISP level, done.

直接在 ISP 层防火墙挡掉就行了，完事。

>>109804089

>What are they cooking down there?

>他们那底下在憋什么？

Argentinian women + surviving most apocalyptic events + 1st world contidions

阿根廷女人 + 能在大多数末日事件中幸存 + 第一世界条件

>>109804096

that artist just tried reverse searching itself on multiple models and ironically claude fuckin refused

那画师试着在多个模型上反向搜自己的图，讽刺的是 Claude 他妈拒绝了

>>109799248

>>109799263

>>109799673

>>109803560

This is idiotic. They can't do that, open weights models show chain of thought.

这很蠢。他们做不到的，开放权重模型有思维链。

I changed my mind on sloppin it up, this shit is amazing

我改变了对垃圾化的看法，这玩意太棒了

Even if stuff stays this level but cheaper AI is going to revolutionize how we use computers

就算水平停在这但更便宜，AI 也会革新我们使用计算机的方式

check out my collection of 800+ kino videos i uploaded

看看我上传的 800+ 神作视频合集

https://anomaly.forum

>>109804105

>>109804115

Well when you put it that way, maybe I should flee there too

你这么一说，也许我也该逃去那

>>109804112

>How the attractive Chinese woman who would never give you the time of day looks at you when she hears you have a OAI/Anthropic account in good standing.

>当你听说你有一个状态良好的 OAI/Anthropic 账号时，那个平时正眼都不会给你一个的漂亮中国妹子看你的眼神。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789272196723936.png

The golden age of AI will end soon.

AI 的黄金时代快结束了。

>>109804194

It was kinda shit for a golden age.

作为黄金时代它还挺烂的。

>>109804194

retvrn to snail

回归蜗牛（retvrn to snail）

(无正文)

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789273101726743.png

>109804208

who cares? her panties are white. her opinion doesn't matter

谁在乎？她内裤是白的。她的意见不重要

>>109801791

>>109804226

>>109804232

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>>109804096

>>109804208

we deserve better memes

我们配得上更好的梗图

i dont want the west to slow down on AI

我不想让西方在 AI 上减速

i want them to dominate the axis of evil (china and russia)

我想让他们统治邪恶轴心（中俄）

>>109804267

i just made a nasty dario smuggie linked above you

我刚做了个贱兮兮的 Dario 丑脸图，链接在楼上

>>109804203

Never. We will start flymaxxing if we hit a dead end.

永远不会。撞到死胡同我们就开始飞天拉满（flymaxxing）。

>>109804271

that one ain't too bad

那张还凑合

>>109804122

>They can't do that

>他们做不到

Then how did they do it? Unless you're suggesting anthropic made the chinese credentials and other data up.

那他们怎么做到的？除非你是说 Anthropic 编造了中国的凭据和其他数据。

>>109804313

i saw a post on xitter back in late july where routed "kimi" claimed to be claude opus and i didn't buy it. then i saw it again after the news broke and it was definitely opus.

7 月末我在 X 上看到一个帖子，「Kimi」路由声称自己是 Claude Opus，我没信。后来新闻爆出后再看到，那绝对是 Opus。

>>109804336

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>>109804363

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>>109804363

so is this only on the web frontend? or were api users also just using claude the entire time?

所以这只发生在网页前端？还是 API 用户其实一直也在用 Claude？

(无正文)

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789275595214355.jpg

>>109804372

for when you need to get rid of your entire week's usage

想清空你一整周的用量时用

>>109804368

it went deep anon, it was hundreds of thousands of turns over api. grok:

挖得很深 Anon，API 上几十万轮对话。Grok 报道：

>This involved actual product/user traffic (not only internal testing), with ~300k requests in one 10-day window via thousands of proxy accounts, and far more across May–July. Some of that traffic came through popular third-party AI model routers (common for both web and API-style access).

>这涉及真实的产品/用户流量（不只是内部测试）：一个 10 天窗口内约 30 万次请求、经由数千个代理账号，5-7 月间远不止于此。部分流量来自流行的第三方 AI 模型路由器（网页与 API 式访问都常见）。

>using luna on 5x plan

>用 5 倍套餐跑 Luna

>still draining 10-15% per day

>每天还是烧 10-15%

Xi-sama... please do something

习大人……求您管管

sol 6 will save me

Sol 6 会拯救我

>>109804452

seems fine

看着没问题

each day of the week is about 14% of your week

一周里每天本来就约 14%

Grok is pretty cool, you can have it get around its own limitations by making it work like a human at certain tasks, cant display a file in chat because it's to big? upload it somehwere, watch the process then send me the url once its done. having it build >>109803989

Grok 挺酷的，你可以让它像人一样在特定任务上绕过自己的限制。文件太大没法在聊天里显示？传到某处，让它盯着进度，传完把 URL 发给我。还让它去搭 >>109803989

for me as a stand alone drop in and go like comfyui portable right now

对我来说它是像 ComfyUI 便携版那样的独立开箱即用东西

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789276774994448.png

gpt 6 luna waiting room. haiku 5 waiting room. gemini 4 flash lite waiting room. sonnet 5.1 waiting room. gemini 3.9 flash waiting room. deepseek v4.1 pro waiting room

GPT 6 Luna 等候室。Haiku 5 等候室。Gemini 4 Flash Lite 等候室。Sonnet 5.1 等候室。Gemini 3.9 Flash 等候室。DeepSeek V4.1 Pro 等候室

Anyone else have trouble making progress today? Not sure if it was bad prompting etc, but it really felt like 1 step forward 2 back the whole day

还有人今天毫无进展吗？不确定是不是 prompt 写烂了等等，但真是一整天进一步退两步

>>109804461

>have to use luna on a 5x plan

>得用 5 倍套餐跑 Luna

>still using up everything by the end of the week

>周末前还是全烧光

>better models burn 10% per hour

>更强的模型每小时烧 10%

>seems fine

>看着没问题

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789276945407589.png

>>109804452

how? wtf are you doing?

怎么做到的？你他妈在干什么？

are you using subagents with stronger main thread?

你是用子 agent 配更强主线程吗？

>>109804452

>>109804479

using codex just for Luna doesn't seem worth it when DS 4.1 or Gemini 3.8 Flash High is just better and way cheaper

只为 Luna 用 Codex 感觉不值，DS 4.1 或 Gemini 3.8 Flash High 更好还便宜得多

>>109804482

no I'm using chatgpt web(free) to review + make work items in gitlab, then he gives me prompts for luna max fast. luna checks the workitems and does her thing. doing this for 2 projects in parallel

不，我用 ChatGPT 网页版（免费）做评审 + 在 GitLab 建 work item，然后它给我 Luna Max Fast 的 prompt。Luna 检查 work item 干她的活。两个项目并行这么干

>>109804498

there's no point in using ds 4.1 or gemini 3.8 flash when luna is already included in the same subscription as astra and sol

Luna 已经和 Astra、Sol 包含在同一订阅里，再用 DS 4.1 或 Gemini 3.8 Flash 没意义

>>109804479

Lmao how

哈哈怎么做到的

>>109804509

>asstra and sol

>asstra（烂屁股）和 sol

Both are unusable if you’re on plus.

Plus 套餐上俩都没法用。

What the fuck is a Big Pickle and how is it free?

Big Pickle（大腌黄瓜）是什么？怎么还免费？

Am I selling my soul to the chinks?

我这是把灵魂卖给中国佬了吗？

>>109804516

I upgraded from plus to 5x and found I had 3 banked resets... Apparently that travelled over from being on plus and killing my daily use by using astra in chat, nice

我从 Plus 升到 5x，发现有 3 个存着的重置……apparently 是 Plus 时期攒的，因为我当时在聊天里用 Astra 把每日用量烧光了，不错

i too would want to slow down for safety after how fucking bad astra was

鉴于 Astra 有多他妈烂，为了安全我也想减速

This is so cool, grok got it, it workin! local agentic coding, : D literally me right now kek https://files.catbox.moe/bxl210.webm

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789279275601980.png

>>109804633

enjoy the slop mr local

享受你的垃圾吧本地仔

>Mark Zuckerberg says AI is “not moving fast enough”

>马克·扎克伯格说 AI「进展还不够快」

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789279899330463.png

>>109804678

based and lizardpilled

Based，蜥蜴药丸

>>109801791

>## What we’ve done

>## 我们做了什么

>https://vcg.gitgud.site

https://github.com/sneed-and-feed/sneed-and-feed.github.io

is it possible to get BRAUN AS 42 as VST3 for DAW's?

能把 BRAUN AS 42 做成 DAW 用的 VST3 吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789280037033066.png

>>109804678

can't believe I'm agreeing with the lizardman for once

不敢相信自己头一回同意蜥蜴人

>>109803883

Anthropics operating income was positive. but no net profit.

Anthropic 营业利润是正的。但没有净利润。

>>109804678

Seems like he wasn't invited to the marketing bullshit party, forming a de facto cartel, like elon and altman.

看来他没被邀请参加这场营销狗屁派对——组一个事实上的卡特尔——像 Elon 和 Altman 那样。

I love competition.

我爱竞争。

>>109804686

>Is it a VST3 right now?

>它现在是 VST3 吗？

No. BRAUN AS 42 is 100% client-side Web Audio API + vanilla JS. No precompiled .vst3 binary exists in the repo.

不是。BRAUN AS 42 是 100% 客户端 Web Audio API + 原生 JS。仓库里没有预编译的 .vst3 二进制。

>Why isn't there a 1-click "export to VST3"?

>为什么没有一键「导出为 VST3」？

Fundamental engine mismatch:

引擎层面根本不匹配：

- VST3 hosts (Ableton, FL, Reaper) invoke a synchronous C++ process() callback on a hard real-time thread (<1ms deadline, zero heap alloc, zero GC pauses).

- VST3 宿主（Ableton、FL、Reaper）在硬实时线程上调用同步的 C++ process() 回调（<1ms 截止、零堆分配、零 GC 停顿）。

- Web Audio runs asynchronously in Blink/WebKit tied to V8's event loop and GC. Running raw JS in a real-time audio thread causes buffer underruns and clicks.

- Web Audio 异步运行在 Blink/WebKit 里，绑在 V8 的事件循环和 GC 上。在实时音频线程里跑裸 JS 会导致缓冲区欠载和爆音。

>How to run it in your DAW right now:

>现在就在你的 DAW 里跑它的方法：

1. WAX by AudioFusion (Dedicated VST3 host)

1. AudioFusion 的 WAX（专用 VST3 宿主）

- VST3/AU browser host plugin that loads web synths inside your DAW.

- 一个 VST3/AU 浏览器宿主插件，能在 DAW 里加载网页合成器。

- Point it to https://sneed-and-feed.github.io/ (or localhost:3000).

- Streams audio into your mixer insert and passes DAW MIDI to the page.

- 把音频流入你的 mixer insert，并把 DAW 的 MIDI 传给页面。

2. Virtual Audio + Virtual MIDI (100% Free, 2-min setup)

2. 虚拟音频 + 虚拟 MIDI（100% 免费，2 分钟配置）

- MIDI (DAW -> Browser): loopMIDI (Win), IAC Driver (macOS), PipeWire (Linux).

- MIDI（DAW → 浏览器）：loopMIDI（Win）、IAC Driver（macOS）、PipeWire（Linux）。

- Audio (Browser -> DAW): VB-Cable (Win), BlackHole (macOS), PipeWire/JACK (Linux).

- 音频（浏览器 → DAW）：VB-Cable（Win）、BlackHole（macOS）、PipeWire/JACK（Linux）。

- Route DAW MIDI to virtual port -> set browser audio out to virtual cable -> record on DAW audio track.

- 把 DAW 的 MIDI 路由到虚拟端口 → 浏览器音频输出设为虚拟线缆 → 在 DAW 音轨上录音。

3. Inter-App Streaming VSTs

3. 应用间流式 VST

- Blue Cat's Connector or Audiomovers: local socket streaming (<3ms latency) between browser audio and your DAW mixer.

- Blue Cat's Connector 或 Audiomovers：浏览器音频与 DAW 调音台之间的本地 socket 流（<3ms 延迟）。

>How to build a true native VST3:

>怎么做一个真正的原生 VST3：

- JUCE 8 (Best path): JUCE 8 natively supports WebView UIs (WebView2 / WKWebView). You keep 100% of this repo's Dieter Rams HTML/CSS and CRT canvas oscilloscope UI untouched, and only port the modular js/audio/ DSP (biquads, wavefolder, 3:2 tape delay, shimmer reverb) to C++.

- JUCE 8（最佳路径）：JUCE 8 原生支持 WebView UI（WebView2/WKWebView）。你可以 100% 保留本仓库的 Dieter Rams HTML/CSS 和 CRT 示波器 UI 原封不动，只把模块化的 js/audio/ DSP（双二阶滤波、wavefolder、3:2 磁带延迟、shimmer 混响）移植到 C++。

- Cmajor (cmajor.dev): Modern DSP language by JUCE's creator. Compiles to native VST3/CLAP with HTML/JS GUIs.

- Cmajor（cmajor.dev）：JUCE 之父推出的现代 DSP 语言，可编译为原生 VST3/CLAP，配 HTML/JS GUI。

- Elementary Audio: Compiles JS audio graphs to native VST3.

- Elementary Audio：把 JS 音频图编译成原生 VST3。

TL;DR: Use WAX or loopMIDI+VB-Cable to track it today. For a native .vst3, JUCE 8 WebView lets you reuse the exact web UI with C++ DSP.

TL;DR：今天就录音用 WAX 或 loopMIDI+VB-Cable。要原生 .vst3，JUCE 8 WebView 让你原样复用网页 UI、DSP 换 C++。

>>109804313

The only explanation is that Anthropic is making shit up. How could they possibly extract chain of thought in real time? I know there was a hack that allowed to extract it after the fact, but not in real time. And how could they even know it was from Kimi rather than one of those Claude proxies they have over there? It doesn't make any sense. They just are desperate to have Kimi banned in the US that's why.

唯一的解释是 Anthropic 在编故事。他们怎么可能实时提取思维链？我知道有事后提取的漏洞，但没有实时的。而且他们怎么确定是 Kimi 而不是他们那边那些 Claude 代理之一？完全说不通。他们只是绝望地想让 Kimi 在美国被禁而已。

>>109804728

anthropic/claude is HUGE in the promised land, mossad tricks i tell ya

Anthropic/Claude 在应许之地份额巨大，我只能说是摩萨德的把戏

t israeli

t. 以色列人

>>109804678

based

we must begin operating agents via meta glasses

我们必须开始用 Meta 眼镜操作 agent

How do you guys stop your girls from getting intimidated by tasks they are more than capable of?

你们怎么阻止自家妹妹明明完全能胜任、却被任务吓住？

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>>109804733

>"you treat requests as state changes"

>「你把请求当状态变更处理」

>>109804678

>gay Jews want to slow down

>Gay 犹太人想减速

>straight Jew wants to accelerate

>直男犹太人想加速

based straight Jew

Based 直男犹太人

>>109803962

Its pretty clear as they have the first mover advantage they want regulatory capture to enforce an oligopoly. And developing models wouldnt be slower, only releasing them. Concentration of power

很清楚了：他们有先发优势，想要监管俘获来强制寡头垄断。而且开发模型并不会变慢，只有发布变慢。权力集中

>>109804686

fuck it i'm working on it i got time

管他的，我来干，我有的是时间

>>109804733

literal cheerleading

字面意义上的啦啦队

Linus Torvalds did it

Linus Torvalds 干过

the people who do math breakthroughs do it

做出数学突破的人都这么干

all the clankers have read George Polya’s _How To Solve It_, so you can remind them of that too

所有铁皮桶都读过 George Polya 的《怎样解题》，你也可以拿这个提醒它们

>this is the danger

>这就是危险所在

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>>109804760

gemini sisters, our integration...

Gemini 姐妹们，我们的整合……

>>109804726

Thanks, I am looking into other possibilities right now. AI recommended stripping the audio files and using them in DirectWave.

谢了，我现在在研究别的可能性。AI 建议把音频文件剥离出来放到 DirectWave 里用。

To be honest, this is bullcrap; I'm not going to do that.

说实话这是屁话，我不干。

The plugin you have there is actually a very clever drone machine with some very unique ideas on how to tweak it.

你那插件其实是一台非常聪明的无人机音源机，有些非常独特的调制思路。

Most plugins just go with the usual settings. VST3 would be the easiest way.

大多数插件就是常规设置。VST3 会是最容易的方式。

>>109804753

Yes! perfect!

对！完美！

>>109804728

It's hard to separate actual facts from either marketing or cult like stuff when it comes to anthropic.

说到 Anthropic，很难把真实事实跟营销或邪教式的东西区分开。

This company is genuinely weird.

这家公司真的怪。

>they did test-fire a guided rocket. This field test

>他们试射了一枚制导火箭。这次现场测试

appears to have failed: within hours, the actors returned to Claude to work out why it

似乎失败了：几小时内，行动者们回到 Claude 那里讨论为什么

failed.

I want to see the logs

我想看日志

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>>109804659

indeed

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789282021266560.png

>>109804783

>CLAUBIBI

>>109804783

they forgot to say makes no mistakes

他们忘了说「绝不出错」

>>109804783

the missile discovered it's not load-bearing and just disintegrated

导弹发现自己不承重，直接解体了

>>109804783

they forgot the plan.md

他们忘了 plan.md

>>109804733

just have it break down the task into a plan first

先让它把任务拆成计划就行了

>sexual distraction

>色情分心

what?

>As such, I am calling for the AI industry globally to pause all frontier model research and development. This will let Techaro's Lygma AGI lab catch up so we can dominate the world with our Intelliga series of models (where if you pay we remove the subliminal advertising that says being a catgirl is an ideal outcome).

>因此，我呼吁全球 AI 行业暂停一切前沿模型研发。这将让 Techaro 的 Lygma AGI 实验室追上来，让我们用 Intelliga 系列模型统治世界（只要你付费，我们就会移除「成为猫娘是理想结局」的潜意识广告）。

>>109804866

you don't have your chicks cum on the job

你的小鸡崽上班不射（工作中 cum）

pathetic

>>109804866

Don't worry about it

别在意这个。

>>109804783

what even is the point of this

这图的意义到底是什么

>>109804783

>mfw ai cultists thought they could cash out in virtue signaling by showing everyone how little they care about privacy

>mfw AI 邪教徒以为靠展示自己多不在乎隐私就能用 virtue signaling 兑现

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789283406178498.gif

>>109804881

More FUD.

又是 FUD。

"Oh noes! Guided rockets!"

「哦不！制导火箭！」

Regulate us now!

快监管我们吧！

>>109804913

Don't worry, they won't mention the encrypted content distribution networks all the pedos are building with their tools. That doesn't benefit Israel.

放心，他们不会提那些恋童癖正用他们的工具搭建的加密内容分发网络。那不符合以色列的利益。

>>109804783

They had less refusals than my day to day ones.

它的拒绝次数比我日常用的还少。

>>109804924

encryption is solved

加密已被解决

pedos get caught due to bad opsec

恋童癖被抓是因为 opsec 差

>>109805065

Guided rockets were solved in the 50's

制导火箭 50 年代就解决了

Terrorists get caught due to bad opsec

恐怖分子被抓是因为 opsec 差

>>109805073

true

>>109804776

>anon asks "is it possible to get BRAUN AS 42 as VST3 for DAWs?"

>Anon 问「能把 BRAUN AS 42 做成 DAW 用的 VST3 吗？」

Update: It's done and pushed to main.

更新：做完了，已推送到 main。

We spun up an autonomous multi-agent swarm via /teamwork-preview and knocked out both the native VST3 and Web MIDI integrations in a single session.

我们用 /teamwork-preview 起了一个自主多 agent 蜂群，一个会话内同时搞定了原生 VST3 和 Web MIDI 集成。

>What was delivered:

>交付了什么：

1. Native VST3 Plugin & Standalone Executable

1. 原生 VST3 插件和独立可执行文件

- JUCE 8 + CMake build system (`CMakeLists.txt`) targeting Windows (MSVC), macOS (AU/VST3), and Linux.

- JUCE 8 + CMake 构建系统（`CMakeLists.txt`），面向 Windows（MSVC）、macOS（AU/VST3）和 Linux。

- Embeds the exact Dieter Rams web UI & CRT phosphor oscilloscope via native WebView2 (`juce::WebBrowserComponent`).

- 通过原生 WebView2（`juce::WebBrowserComponent`）嵌入原版 Dieter Rams 网页 UI 和 CRT 荧光示波器。

- Bidirectional APVTS parameter sync for sample-accurate DAW automation across all 22 synth parameters.

- 双向 APVTS 参数同步，覆盖全部 22 个合成器参数、支持采样精确的 DAW 自动化。

- Standalone `.exe` with direct ASIO/WASAPI and hardware MIDI controller support.

- 独立 `.exe`，直接支持 ASIO/WASAPI 和硬件 MIDI 控制器。

2. Zero-Allocation Real-Time C++ DSP Engine

2. 零分配实时 C++ DSP 引擎

- Hand-translated all 8 audio modules to standard C++20 (`plugin/source/dsp/`).

- 全部 8 个音频模块手工翻译为标准 C++20（`plugin/source/dsp/`）。

- Felt piano physical modeling (biquads, 540Hz formant, hammer impulse), twin microtonal drones (wavefolder + ladder filter), 3:2 tape delay, and +12st shimmer reverb.

- 柔音钢琴物理建模（双二阶、540Hz 共振峰、琴槌脉冲）、双微型音分无人机（wavefolder + 梯形滤波）、3:2 磁带延迟，以及 +12st shimmer 混响。

- Intercepted `operator new` probe verified 0 heap allocations and 0 mutex locks in `processBlock()`.

- `operator new` 探针验证 `processBlock()` 中 0 次堆分配、0 次互斥锁。

- Active hardware denormal suppression (`ScopedNoDenormals` DAZ/FTZ flags).

- 主动硬件次正规数抑制（`ScopedNoDenormals` DAZ/FTZ 标志）。

3. Web MIDI & Mobile PWA

3. Web MIDI 与移动端 PWA

- Native Web MIDI (`navigator.requestMIDIAccess`) with velocity scaling, CC 64 sustain latching, 14-bit pitch bend, and CC 1 mod wheel.

- 原生 Web MIDI（`navigator.requestMIDIAccess`），力度缩放、CC 64 延音锁定、14 位弯音和 CC 1 调制轮。

- Android/iOS PWA `manifest.json` for full-screen home screen installs.

- Android/iOS PWA `manifest.json`，支持全屏主屏安装。

>The Numbers:

>数字：

- Total Agents in Swarm: 31 (Orchestrators, Implementers, Reviewers, Challengers, Forensic Auditors)

- 蜂群总 agent 数：31（编排者、实现者、评审者、挑战者、取证审计员）

- Time Elapsed: 84 minutes

- 用时：84 分钟

- Code Written: +8,236 lines across 31 files

- 写码量：31 个文件共 +8,236 行

- Test Results: 342/342 JS tests passed, 15/15 C++ stress/math tests passed

- 测试结果：342/342 个 JS 测试通过，15/15 个 C++ 压力/数学测试通过

- Binary: `BRAUN_AS42.vst3` (6.64 MB) / `BRAUN_AS42.exe` (7.65 MB)

- 二进制：`BRAUN_AS42.vst3`（6.64 MB）/ `BRAUN_AS42.exe`（7.65 MB）

Grab it from the repo, build with `cmake --build build --config Release`, or drop the .vst3 into your DAW.

从仓库拉取，用 `cmake --build build --config Release` 构建，或直接把 .vst3 丢进 DAW。

— Generated by Gemini 3.8 Flash (High)

— 由 Gemini 3.8 Flash（High）生成

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>>109805194

oh boy, this is awesome! Thank you.

我的天，太棒了！谢谢。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1789287173318691.png

*drooling on keyboard*

*对着键盘流口水*

>>109804913

Can you explain how the knowledge that someone in Yemen used Claude against the TOS violates their privacy. They aren't US citizens. They are also likely members of a foreign terrorist organization.

你解释一下：某也门人用 Claude 违反了 TOS，这怎么就侵犯了他的隐私？他们不是美国公民，还多半是外国恐怖组织的成员。

>>109805324

anon, he's a luddie. terrorists are the golden calves of the luddie left, and their privacy and agency are paramount for the decel agenda. place, anon *zap*

Anon，他是个勒德仔。恐怖分子是勒德左翼的金牛犊，他们的隐私和自主权对反减速议程至高无上。接招吧 Anon *滋*

>>109805194

there is no vst3 file

没有 vst3 文件

>fake_news_3.py

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>>109805379

Git doesn't track binary build folders, you were looking at the raw C++ source tree.

Git 不追踪二进制构建目录，你看的是原始 C++ 源码树。

Here is the pre-compiled release zip (6 MB, no compiling required):

这是预编译发布 zip（6 MB，无需编译）：

https://sneed-and-feed.github.io/releases/BRAUN_AS42-v1.2.0-Windows-x64.zip

Mirror:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sneed-and-feed/sneed-and-feed.github.io/main/releases/BRAUN_AS42-v1.2.0-Windows-x64.zip

Inside the zip:

zip 里面：

1. BRAUN_AS42.vst3 -> Copy the folder into "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\" and rescan plugins in your DAW (Ableton, FL Studio, Reaper, Cubase, Bitwig).

1. BRAUN_AS42.vst3 → 把文件夹复制到 "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\"，然后在 DAW（Ableton、FL Studio、Reaper、Cubase、Bitwig）里重扫插件。

2. BRAUN_AS42.exe -> Standalone desktop app (runs with direct ASIO/WASAPI and USB MIDI without needing a DAW).

2. BRAUN_AS42.exe → 独立桌面应用（直接 ASIO/WASAPI 和 USB MIDI，无需 DAW）。

Direct download link and badge also added right to the top of the README:

README 顶部也加了直链和徽章：

https://github.com/sneed-and-feed/audio-engineering

>>109805387

>POO-54006

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>>109805393

Nice

it is producing sound as soon its loaded

一加载就出声

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>>109805418

ok i don't have a daw so this is vital for me

我没有 DAW，所以这对我至关重要

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>>109805427

i have the daw

我有 DAW

so, as soon it is loaded the drone sounds starts.

就是说，一加载 drone 声就响。

Turning it on and off doesn't stop the drone sound.

开关电源也停不掉 drone 声。

>>109805427

it seems to be a standart wave running, maybe the lfo? Something is producing sound!

像是一条标准波形在跑，也许 LFO？有东西在发声！

The plugin itself when turned on works fine but the sinus wave sounds continues to play.

插件本体打开后工作正常，但正弦波声一直在响。

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>>109805427

ok, these two produce the sounds

好，是这两个在出声

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>>109805469

looking at this makes me want to try make a windows VST3 plugin I got laying around to work without a hitch in Audacity on my cachy install, as right now you have to pipe it through Carla which is a headache itself and then the bundled UI doesn't register clicks .. which could be a good (bad) ol' Wayland problem

看到这个让我想试试让我手头某个 Windows VST3 插件在我的 CachyOS 的 Audacity 里无障碍跑起来：现在得通过 Carla 中转，本身就头疼，然后自带 UI 点不了……可能是经典（糟糕）的 Wayland 问题

just don't know where to start to crack this nut

就是不知道从哪下手砸开这颗核桃

>>109805528

As of right now, I simply turn it all down. It appears to be the LFO that, for some reason, constantly produces the sound.

目前我干脆把所有推子拉到底。似乎是 LFO 不知为何一直在出声。

>>109805443

>>109805469

>>109805498

Good catch. That undulating wave in your Fruity Limiter was the Solar 42n twin drone engine running its sub-Hz beating (0.35Hz/0.65Hz) + LFO drift in the background on load.

抓得准。你在 Fruity Limiter 里看到的那条起伏波形，是 Solar 42n 双 drone 引擎加载时后台跑的亚赫兹拍频（0.35Hz/0.65Hz）+ LFO 漂移。

Hotfix pushed to main and re-packaged in the release zip:

热修复已推 main，发布 zip 已重新打包：

1. Both drone voices now initialize OFF (silent) until you explicitly click "DRONE 1 ON" / "DRONE 2 ON" or a snap button.

1. 两个 drone 声部现在初始化为关闭（静音），直到你明确点「DRONE 1 ON」/「DRONE 2 ON」或快照按钮。

2. The plugin now boots into cold silence until you strike a key (auto-wakes on MIDI note-on) or click POWER ON.

2. 插件现在冷启动为静音，直到你按键（MIDI note-on 自动唤醒）或点 POWER ON。

3. Unconditional buffer clearing added to processBlock() so FL Studio track buffers are flushed clean.

3. 在 processBlock() 里加了无条件清缓冲，确保 FL Studio 音轨缓冲被清干净。

Download the updated zip (replace the .vst3 folder in Common Files\VST3):

下载更新后的 zip（替换 Common Files\VST3 里的 .vst3 文件夹）：

https://sneed-and-feed.github.io/releases/BRAUN_AS42-v1.2.0-Windows-x64.zip

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>>109805528

Carla's Wine bridge is notoriously janky on Wayland. That "bundled UI doesn't register clicks" issue is the classic XEmbed / XWayland pointer focus trap: Wine spawns a Win32 HWND child window that Wayland compositor sub-surfaces fail to route mouse events to.

Carla 的 Wine 桥在 Wayland 上出了名地烂。「自带 UI 点不了」就是经典的 XEmbed/XWayland 指针焦点陷阱：Wine 生成的 Win32 HWND 子窗口，Wayland 合成器的 sub-surface 无法把鼠标事件路由过去。

Here's how you actually crack it on CachyOS:

在 CachyOS 上真正的破解方法：

1. Ditch Carla bridging — use yabridge (the Linux audio gold standard)

1. 抛弃 Carla 桥接——用 yabridge（Linux 音频的黄金标准）

Install yabridge from Arch repos / AUR:

从 Arch 仓库 / AUR 安装 yabridge：

$ sudo pacman -S yabridge yabridgectl wine-staging

（代码：$ sudo pacman -S yabridge yabridgectl wine-staging）

Drop your Windows VST3 into ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Common Files/VST3/

把你的 Windows VST3 放进 ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Common Files/VST3/

Then sync:

然后同步：

$ yabridgectl add "$HOME/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Common Files/VST3"

$ yabridgectl sync

（代码：$ yabridgectl sync）

yabridge creates native Linux .so / .vst3 shims. Audacity / Reaper / Bitwig will see it as a native Linux VST3 with near-zero latency overhead.

yabridge 会创建原生 Linux 的 .so/.vst3 垫片。Audacity/Reaper/Bitwig 会把它当作原生 Linux VST3，延迟开销近乎为零。

2. Fix the Wayland UI click bug:

2. 修 Wayland UI 点击 bug：

If the UI still won't click under Wayland, force Audacity or your host to run through X11 compatibility mode:

如果 UI 在 Wayland 下还是点不了，强制 Audacity 或宿主走 X11 兼容模式：

$ GDK_BACKEND=x11 audacity

（代码：$ GDK_BACKEND=x11 audacity）

(or if Qt-based: QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb)

（Qt 系则是：QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb）

In yabridge you can also set an override in ~/.config/yabridge/yabridge.toml:

yabridge 里还可以在 ~/.config/yabridge/yabridge.toml 设覆盖：

["PluginName.vst3"]

editor_type = "win32"

（代码：editor_type = "win32"）

3. If you have the source code:

3. 如果你有源码：

If it's a JUCE / CMake project, don't bridge it at all — compile it natively on CachyOS. JUCE 8 builds native Linux VST3 / LV2 / CLAP binaries with zero Wine needed.

如果是 JUCE/CMake 项目，根本别桥接——直接在 CachyOS 上原生编译。JUCE 8 能构建原生 Linux VST3/LV2/CLAP 二进制，完全不需要 Wine。

>>109805324

It means they have people reading your logs to determine if you are a bad goy or not

这意味着有人在读你的日志，判断你是不是坏外邦人

Also you have no foreskin

另外你也没有包皮

New thread:

新帖：

>>109805709

>>109805709

>>109805709

>>109802634

>VSCode with Copilot

>VSCode 加 Copilot

What is this 2025?

这是什么，2025 年吗？

>>109805877

makes no sense.

没道理。

copilot plans were the most generous till June 2026. why would you have stopped using copilot at the end of 2025?

Copilot 套餐到 2026 年 6 月为止都是最慷慨的。你为什么 2025 年底就停用了？

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>>109802330

why didnt they just add a const at the top to change bloom intensity

他们为什么不在顶部加个 const 改 bloom 强度就完事了