So which one is better?
所以哪个更好？
Discord 替代品
>>109750964
Element or Fluxxer
Element 还是 Fluxxer
IRC
>>109750964
I already self-hosted matrix (tuwunel). Are competitors any better? I found setting up webrtc+element call quite annoying.
我已经自托管 Matrix（tuwunel）。竞品更好吗？配 webrtc+element call 挺烦的。
>>109750964
Im self hosting matrix for a few friends, werks fine for the last few years.
我为几个朋友自托管 Matrix，跑了好几年，挺好。
>>109751078
>>109751111
Do you get flooded with spammers or is that only for the larger groups?
会被 spammer 淹没吗，还是只有大群才那样？
>>109750964
I will never understand these sorts of threads.
我永远不懂这类楼。
There's no effective alternative to Discord, because Discord's selling point is that it has most of the market.
Discord 没有有效替代品，因为它的卖点就是占有了大部分市场。
There are tons of other things that the market penetration IS the selling point - Windows instantly comes to mind.
市场占有率即卖点的产品一大堆——Windows 立刻浮上脑海。
>>109751118
I have restricted registration with registration key only (which is pretty long to be bruteforced) and only allowed federation is matrix.org (which still don't have route to me since I'm from Russia).
我设置了凭注册码注册（很长，暴力破解不现实），且只允许 federation 到 matrix.org（反正它也没路由到我，我在俄罗斯）。
>>109751121
Discord is getting worse every day, and you can get banned for the silliest of things, not to mention the glowie activity.
Discord 一天比一天烂，最蠢的事由都能封你，更别提探员活动。
Most likely people will find an alternative the day discord goes too far, which is probably not far off. I think we can see a pretty massive exodus from discord when they finally do something really stupid. Like reddit's IPO ruining the site entirely, and using bots to cover it up. The site has been borderline unusable for a year now.
大概率等 Discord 玩过火那天大家才会找替代品——那估计不远了。等他们真干了件蠢透的事，我们会看到一场大迁移。就像红迪 IPO 毁掉整站、用机器人掩盖一样。那站已经快一年没法用了。
>>109751038
IRC+encryption is truly beautiful
IRC+加密真的美
>>109751121
>most of the market
>大部分市场
>market penetration
>市场占有率
>proprietary protocol
>私有协议
>nobody can make software for it
>没人能为它开发软件
>charges shekels just to change theme colours
>换个主题颜色都要收谢克尔
go away, corporate cock sucking whore.
滚吧， corporate 舔狗婊子。
>>109751186
>Like reddit's IPO ruining the site entirely, and using bots to cover it up.
>就像红迪 IPO 毁掉整站、用机器人掩盖一样。
they removed "sort by: new" from reddit's front page in order to drive engagement with days old posts and force people to scroll through more advertising or to go directly to every subreddit you're in and then sort by new from there. someone thought this was a brilliant idea.
他们把红迪首页的「按最新排序」砍了，好驱动大家互动几天前的老帖、逼你滚更多广告，或者逼你逐个进自己订阅的子版再按最新排。真有人觉得这是天才主意。
>>109751186
Everything's getting worse every day. Unless you are taking up arms against the ones that actually matter, I'd argue you're LARPing.
一切都在一天天变烂。除非你真拿枪对着那些真正要紧的家伙，否则你就是在 LARP。
>>109751197
Glad I hurt you so much that you went into "vomit preprogrammed NPC response" in a single post.
很高兴我把你伤成这样——一条回复就触发了「吐出预置 NPC 台词」模式。
Your screaming anal pain has made my day - thanks anon.
你的尖叫般的菊痛让我今天很快乐——谢谢老哥。
>>109751236
I'll use both reddit and discord as long as other people use them, but I use reddit far less than I used to, and I only use discord for the things I have to.
只要别人还用红迪和 Discord，我就继续用。但红迪用得比以前少多了，Discord 只在必要时用。
The thing is that you'll have to use the things where people are. It doesn't help using something you view as vastly supertior if you're alone there. It's kinda obvious isn't it.
问题是：你不得不用人们所在的地方。孤零零待在你认为高级的平台毫无意义。这不显然吗。
I'll continue using reddit and discord for as long as they stay relevant, and then I'll delete my users like I've already deleted my facebook account, snapchat, and instagram.
红迪和 Discord 只要还主流我就继续用，等他们不行了我就删号——就像我早删掉的 Facebook、Snapchat 和 Instagram。
Self hosted matrix duh
自托管 Matrix 呗
>pedo chat
>恋童聊天
>>109751236
>write something about sucking on the cocks of corporations - a service founded by furry pedophiles
>写点「舔公司屌」的东西——那可是一家由 furry 恋童癖创立的服务
>lol owned that anon by having a mental break down
>哈哈，靠精神崩溃赢了那位老哥
>>109750964
>>109751316
Whatever fantasy you need to cope, text on a screen.
你想编什么故事自我安慰都行，屏幕上的字而已。
>>109750964
This table is useless for anyone trying to bring their normie friends to the platform. The categories that actually should be there:
这张表对想带普通人朋友上平台的人毫无用处。真正该有的类别是：
Uninterrupted uptime
不间断在线
Group calls
群组通话
Rooms or channels for text messages
文字消息的房间/频道
Screen sharing
屏幕共享
UI that is stupid simple to understand
蠢到不用学的 UI
>>109750964
The best alternative is no fake internet friends and chat in groups irl instead.
最好的替代品是：不交假网友，线下在真实群里聊天。
>>109750964
no alternative is worth a shit until is mass adopted AKA filled with normalfag niggers which will attract pedos, glowies, bots, etc
没有被大规模采用（aka 被普通人黑鬼填满、进而吸引恋童癖、探员、机器人等等）之前，任何替代品都是垃圾
good luck dealing with the massive server cost too
祝你好运应付巨额服务器成本
>>109750964
None if you have no friends.
没朋友的话：没有替代品。
I'm on the same server of ~30 people and it's really cozy, been like that since 2016 to this day.
我在一个约 30 人的服务器里，真的很 cozy，从 2016 年至今。
If you need to larp something get Vestkop + Disblock Origin. But again, if you have no friends and rely on public servers with randoms nothing is good.
想 LARP 的话上 Vestkop + Disblock Origin。但再说一次：没朋友、只能混陌生人公共服务器的话，什么都不好。
>>109751747
In order for something to be mass adopted, it first needs to be slightly adopted, then mildly adopted.
想被大规模采用，得先被小规模采用，再被中等规模采用。
Of course, the normalfag cattle only comes last.
当然，普通人牲口永远排最后。
This was the case for all social networks. Do you think it was easy for me to convince people to leave Skype and jump to Discord back then?
所有社交网络都是这么过来的。你以为当年说服大家离开 Skype 跳到 Discord 容易吗？
>>109751992
>convince people to leave Skype and jump to Discord back then?
>说服大家离开 Skype 跳到 Discord？
there was no need cause skype was dogshit, good luck with discord though
没必要劝啊，Skype 本来就是狗屎。Discord 那就祝你好运了
>>109752090
oh yeah? Compared to what?
是吗？跟什么比？
>>109750964
>So which one is better?
>所以哪个更好？
Whichever one your friends are already using.
你朋友们已经在用的那个。
>>109751324
/thread
>>109751324
>>109754044
screenshare status?
屏幕共享什么水平？
>>109750964
mIRC
>>109754060
>>109754060
jitsi'd
>>109750964
There is another one. Open source pretty good one made by a German guy... i forgot the name
还有一个。开源的、挺不错、德国人做的……忘了名字
>>109750964
sharkcord looks OK but isn't sharks a tranny thing cos they end up looking like a shark bite down there
sharkcord 看着行，但鲨鱼不是变性人的梗吗——他们下面做完像被鲨鱼咬过
>>109751765
oof. I just tried to join a public one for a bit and its always the same. General chat thats dead, everything in private channels and a seething mod.
嘶。我试着进过一个公共服务器，永远一个样：死寂的大厅、什么都锁在私密频道、外加一个破防版务。
>>109756580
>sharkcord
?
>>109755324
good for your mental health (supposedly)
对你的心理健康「据说」有好处
Tomato says Matrix / Element is the answer.
Tomato 说 Matrix/Element 是答案。
>>109756608
(btw I mean the tomato router firmware specifically)
（btw 我说的是 Tomato 路由器固件）
>>109750964
federation and decentralization are the only requirements at this point and matrix is the only one to properly execute this
联邦化与去中心化是当下的唯一硬需求，而 Matrix 是唯一正确实现它的
>>109756606
how so?
怎么说？
>>109751038
tpbp. Email and IRC are all you need.
太对了。邮件和 IRC 就是全部所需。
>>109751639
Fuze Mediaboard 0.2 will have all of those
Fuze Mediaboard 0.2 会包含所有这些
>>109756684
This. Having to change protocols repeatedly is a non-starter.
这条。反复换协议根本不可接受。
>>109750964
don't use matrix.org server, are you retarded why is it even listed as an option
别用 matrix.org 服务器，你智障吗，它凭什么还是个选项
Best self host matrix server?
最好的自托管 Matrix 服务器？
Reads like synapse is bloatware, is tuwunel/conduwuit good or trannyware?
看着 Synapse 是坨肿胀软件。Tuwunel/Conduwuit 好还是变性人软件？
>>109760753
Seems like tuwunel is the most maintained, it has ties to companies and is officially backed by Switzerland so development is probably secures unless the trannies get another meltdown
Tuwunel 似乎是维护最勤的，有公司关联、受瑞士官方背书，开发应该稳——除非变性人再发作一次
>>109751236
he's right tho, you are the seething retard here, you probably watch gay porn too
不过他说得对，破防智障是你，你八成还看 gay 片
>>109751038
This is the correct answer
这才是正确答案
>>109750964
are there any public matrix servers? i dont have any friends
有公共 Matrix 服务器吗？我没朋友
>>109761074
>public matrix servers
>公共 Matrix 服务器
Usecase?
>>109761074
those usually entail giving them your phone number, which defeats the purpouse
那通常要交手机号，目的全毁
>>109750964
Buy an ad. It's literally an ad for armada
去买广告。这字面意义上是 Armada 的广告
>>109761724
Good to know. I'm downloading Armada now.
了解了。我现在就去下载 Armada。
>>109761739
Damn i should start making threads shilling my products too. Underestimated the amount of mouthbreathing retards on here who immediately slurp it up.
damn，我也该开楼吹我自己的产品。低估了这里张嘴就咽的智障数量。
>>109761627
>those usually entail giving them your phone number
>那通常要交手机号
Yeah, that sucks ass.
是啊，恶心到家。
>>109750964
does discord need id in the usa yet?
Discord 在美国开始要身份证了吗？
I don't trust anyone who just says 'screen sharing' because half the time that just means 720p 15fps
谁要是对我说「支持屏幕共享」，我都不信——一半时候那意思是 720p 15 帧
>>109762418
i need at least 4k 60fps with audio
我至少要 4K 60 帧带音频
>>109762418
Stoatbros...
>>109762418
>>GIF keyboard
>>GIF 键盘
pardon me nigger?
你说什么，黑鬼？
Is there any place exclusively first world, or first world passing, left on the internet? I don't even care about white only, i just miss the average+ iq internet of my youth.
互联网上还有 exclusively 第一世界、或够格第一世界的地方吗？我甚至不要求只有白人，我只是怀念我年轻时平均智商以上的互联网。
>>109763447
my sekrit club
我的秘密俱乐部
>>109762418
This Armada platform looks like vibe coded dogshit
这个 Armada 平台看着像 vibe code 出来的狗屎
>>109751038
In my country IRC catching popularity again. My fav channel since 2007 is as lively as ever.
在我们国家 IRC 又流行起来了。我从 2007 年起最爱的频道跟当年一样热闹。
>>109750964
>self-hosts are islands
>「自托管是孤岛」
This is a benefit
这是优点
>>109765075
This ^^^ Keeping bubbles of like minded people avoids some of the drama and reduces leaking personal information into big corporate sloppo's.
这条^^^ 维持志同道合者的小圈子，避开部分狗血剧，也减少把个人信息漏进大型企业垃圾堆。
>>109765075
Not really.
其实并不真如此。
>>109765059
>mIRC
old but gold
老但经典
>>109765075
No, its dogshit
不，它就是狗屎
>>109750964
>someone makes a cool new app/site
>有人做了个酷炫新应用/网站
>small community makes it grow and it blows up
>小社区把它做大、然后爆火
>sells out to jews
>卖给犹太人
>jews replace employees with indian hindu rape rats, who immediately start banning everyone critical of india/hinduism while allowing their hindu rape rat hordes to avoid any bans for breaking the rules
>犹太人用印度教强奸鼠员工换掉了老员工，这帮人上来就封禁所有批评印度/印度教的人，而他们那帮印度教强奸鼠同伙违反规则却能随便躲过封禁
>eventually all the good contributes are banned, leaving indians free to overrun the app
>最后所有优质贡献者都被封了，印度佬们可以肆无忌惮地占领这个应用
>humans abandon the community as it gets jeetformed into India, looking for an app to escape the hindu rape rats
>人类眼看着社区被印度佬化成第二个印度，纷纷弃坑跑路，去找一个能躲开印度教强奸鼠的应用
Every fucking time. It's all so tiresome bros. I'm not contributing a damn thing until you show me you have a policy like Gab, to rangeban India and Israel.
每次都他妈这样。兄弟们，真是受够了。除非你们拿出像 Gab 那样的政策，把印度和以色列整段封了，否则我一点东西都不贡献。
>>109766263
sar thats hinduphobic
老爷，这可是恐印症哦
stop asap sar
老爷，赶紧停下
>>109751038
wtf is irc and how do i get on it
IRC 是个啥，怎么才能上？
>>109765059
any good scripts? Used to be tons for mIRC and theme engines with loads of themes.
有什么好用的脚本吗？以前 mIRC 的脚本多得是，还有一堆带主题的主题引擎。
>>109750964
>chatting with friends/family
>跟朋友/家人聊天
any will do
哪个都行
>gaming with strangers
>和陌生人打游戏
nothing will replace discord
Discord 的位置谁也取代不了
>>109767879
boomerware unc
婴儿潮软件，大爷
>>109764917
meds
>>109768156
>any will do
>哪个都行
even IRC
连 IRC 都行
>>109763447
nope
>>109766064
irssi and weechat are good, too
irssi 和 weechat 也都挺好
I would use Armada if it had a shitty electron client.
要是 Armada 有个很烂的 Electron 客户端，我倒愿意用。
Discord is because nobody will switch to anything else.
Discord 霸主的地位就在于没人愿意换到别家去。
Yeah obvious shill thread for Armada but at least it seems like a decent alternative. It's pretty quick to make a Nostr account and it looks like there's 4k60fps video calls
行吧，明摆着是给 Armada 打广告的狗托帖，不过它看着确实像个像样的替代品。注册个 Nostr 账号很快，而且看起来还支持 4k60fps 视频通话
>>109756608
Dont use element as your client. Use commet.chat matrix client with custom emotes and voice channels like discord.
别用 Element 当客户端。用 commet.chat 这个 Matrix 客户端，有自定义表情和跟 Discord 一样的语音频道。
Oh here is a list of homeservers. Dewrito.net has the best looking website.
哦，这有个 homeserver（主服务器）列表。Dewrito.net 的网站是里面最好看的。
Oh and quassel.io
哦还有 quassel.io
The catgirl.cloud looks schizo
catgirl.cloud 看着就一股神经病气息
>>109751156
die Bart, die
去死吧，Bart，去死吧
>>109773289
>It's pretty quick to make a Nostr account
>注册个 Nostr 账号很快
Yep, that's the best part. I can use my own Nostr key in Armada, Flotilla, DENChat (+ other Nostr apps) and they all work nicely.
对，这正是最爽的地方。我可以用同一个 Nostr 密钥登录 Armada、Flotilla、DENChat（还有其他 Nostr 应用），全都用得好好的。
>>109774251
I tried out Armada. It also is a good choice. You just register with the key. The only bad thing is... idk how easy it is for pedos to register. Typically pedos use disposable emails to do thier stuff. If its just getting a key I imagine that the pedo stuff is out of control. I hope the armada team has solutions.
我试了试 Armada，确实也是个好选择。用密钥直接注册就行。唯一的问题是……不知道变态恋童的注册起来有多容易。那帮人一般都用一次性邮箱搞事。如果只需要拿个密钥，我估计恋童内容会失控。希望 Armada 团队有应对办法。
>>109751025
Element is such a steaming pile of tranny shit, it's not even funny. The protocol simply sucks donkey ass.
Element 就是一坨变性人拉的滚烫大便，好笑都不好笑。这协议本身 sucks 到爆。
>>109774575
it's not different from any other platform. you should always vet who you let in your server even if it's a "public" one
这跟别的平台没什么两样。就算开的是"公开"服务器，你也要审核好放进来的每个人
>>109774640
isn't element/matrix operated by mossad or something
element/matrix 是不是摩萨德（Mossad）在运营的还是什么来着
>quest and video ads are totally optional and are a X
>任务和视频广告完全可选，还是个 X
>paid tiers are a check mark
>付费档位只是个勾选项
lol
>>109772118
goycattle mentality
外邦牛马的思维方式
>>109750964
bro youcould just ask astra to make you one wtf?
兄弟你直接让 astra 给你写一个不就完了，搞什么？
>>109776262
>vibecoding shitcord
>氛围编程搞出个 shitcord
most pa/g/eet thing ever
史上最 /g/老哥印度佬的操作了
>>109751186
Just like 4chan
跟 4chan 一个德行
...
Right
>>109775251
Yeah matrix.org servers are using a private version of synapse. Dont trust that.
matrix.org 的服务器用的是闭源版 synapse。别信那个。
Just choose a homeserver where they are using an open source server software where you can read the code. They don't call back to israel.
选个用开源服务端软件的 homeserver（主服务器）就行，代码你都能看。它们不会偷偷回传以色列。
Dont use element, they wanna be like imessage... use commet.chat for custom emotes and voice channels.
别用 Element，他们想做成 iMessage 那种……用 commet.chat，有自定义表情和语音频道。
>>109751038
Shut the fuck up. Enough already.
你他妈闭嘴吧。够够了。
>>109751038
based
its time to retvrn
是时候复古回归了
>>109776384
good morning sir
早安，先生
>>109772005
>shitty electroon client
>要个很烂的 electroon 客户端
usecase?
>>109751197
>>109751186
You're melting down and wish casting.
你破防了，开始许愿式脑补了。
Yes it's complete shit. That's not the point.
对，它就是一坨屎。但这不是重点。
The point is that people rarely migrate.
重点是人们很少会真的迁移。
>>109763440
it's some zoomer shit
这是 Z 世代那套玩意
Whatever you set up just be sure to block cell phones and anyone on Windows or Mac or the telemetry will attract AIDS.
不管你搭什么，记住一定要屏蔽手机和所有 Windows/Mac 用户，不然遥测数据会把艾滋病招来。
>>109782550
>based schizo
>有骨气的神经病
Sure, but my chan is nice and comfy quiet. Most can't even reach it.
行吧，不过我的频道清静又舒适。大多数人根本连不上。
>>109763440
zoomers communicate in shitty tumblr gifs that were made before they were born
Z 世代聊天的素材就是些汤布林（Tumblr）动图，还是他们出生前做的老图
>>109750964
XMPP
>>109782601
Kek
>>109771941
>irssi and weechat
>irssi 和 weechat
feels old man
感觉自己老了
i'm hosting a matrix server for my indie web community and its pretty cool. synapse isnt bloated i have 5 gigs of ram. it also has screensharing and that's good. no need to use discord anymore aftr that
我给我的独立网站社区自己搭了个 matrix 服务器，挺不错的。synapse 不臃肿，我就 5G 内存。还有屏幕共享功能，很香。从那以后就不用 Discord 了
>>109784517
>feels good man
>爽死了老哥
FTFY
>>109784603
the screensharing doesn't support audio
它的屏幕共享不支持音频
>>109782555
nice trips
漂亮的三连号
>>109751025
element/matrix is slow and buggy.
element/matrix 又慢又多 bug。
>>109751366
>>109751236
>Whatever fantasy you need to cope, text on a screen.
>你随便靠什么幻想自我安慰吧，反正就是屏幕上的字。
>>109781169
>everyone is melting down!
>大家都破防了！
>because they think discord is trash
>因为大家觉得 Discord 就是垃圾
lmao
>>109788400
that's because it's cancer. this is what happens when jewish telecommunication business founded in israel decides to make a chat application - everything turns into cancer.
那是因为它就是毒瘤。一家在以色列创办的犹太电信公司做聊天应用，结果就是这样——什么都变成毒瘤。
>>109750964
>E2E encryption
>端到端加密
Okay cool, i'm not hosting a grooming server or some illigal shit. What about actual features? How do they handle screen sharing and shit?
行，挺好，我又不开拐骗小孩的服务器也不搞什么违法勾当。说说实际功能呢？屏幕共享之类做得怎么样？
>>109784517
more like zoomer man
更像是 Z 世代猛男
i'm already hosting irc for me and my robots, way simpler for automation
我已经在给我和我的机器人搭 IRC 了，搞自动化简单多了
used to do this >>109782650 but it's just too much for simple text
以前干过 >>109782650 说的这种，但对纯文字来说真是杀鸡用牛刀
>>109790462
>but it's just too much for simple text
>对纯文字来说真是杀鸡用牛刀
How so? I used to run Prosody with almost all modules enabled + some community ones, and it wasn't too much. Unfortunately, literally nobody wrote anything to me there ever, so I shut it down.
怎么说？我以前跑 Prosody，几乎所有模块全开还加了些社区模块，也没觉得重。可惜真没人给我发消息，最后只能关掉。
>>109751121
>There's no effective alternative to Discord, because Discord's selling point is that it has most of the market.
>Discord 没有有效替代品，因为它的卖点就是占了大部分市场。
wrong, the selling point is conveniency, you sign up and immediately have have a fully working platform for yourself/friends/patreon simps, dont even need to download shit to get started. discord is not a social media where you need volume to make it worth and need to "advertise" under other people posts or whatever current thing going on. the average patreon subscribers bubble or "community servers" (aka live chat for redditors) can exist with no loss on any other discord alternative, creators dont do that because as usual "free as freedom" alternatives are straight up mechanically worse for the user that the mainstream option.
错，它的卖点是省事，你一注册马上就有个完整可用的平台，给自己/朋友/Patreon舔狗用，起步连软件都不用下。Discord 不是那种要靠人气才划算、还得在别人帖子下面"打广告"之类的社交媒体。普通 Patreon 订阅群或"社区服务器"（说白了就是红迪网友的直播聊天室）搬到任何 Discord 替代品上都不会有损失。创作者不搬，是因为老规矩，"自由软件"那帮替代品对用户来说就是比主流的难用。
>>109790938
>How so?
I don't really require auth and accounts and all that for all the bots I develop. It's just for my use inside my own lan/vpn. Creating an account and that shit for every single bot is tiresome
我开发的那些机器人根本不需要什么账号登录那一套。就是在我自己的局域网/VPN 里自己用而已。每个机器人都要注册个账号什么的是真烦
>>109750964
Armada? Interesting.
Armada？有点意思。
only alt i tried was stoat. embed support wasn't really impressive. auto roles don't work, you have to use a bot for that, which also doesn't work.
我唯一试过的替代品是 stoat。嵌入消息支持不咋地。自动身份组也没用，得靠机器人来做，结果机器人也用不了。
i only used it for like a day, and the worst caveat of all, was that it would disconnect/retry constantly, putting a big dumb fucking banner at the top of the window. for people like me who keep a chat open on a dedicated screen, that was driving me insane. placed it directly into the trash.
我就用了一天，最要命的是它不停地断线重连，窗口顶上挂个又大又蠢的横幅。像我这种把聊天挂在专用屏幕上的人，简直要被逼疯了。直接进回收站。
>>109776262
gtfo (((altman)))
滚出去，奥尔特曼（Altman）这个犹太佬
>>109786141
never understood why faggots are so obsessed with screensharing
一直搞不懂这帮基佬为什么对屏幕共享这么上头
>>109794309
I watch movies and shows with my friends, but I know this is a bizarre concept around here
我跟朋友一起看电影看剧用的，不过我知道这在你们眼里是个很离谱的概念
>>109794329
>can't set up a jellyfin server
>连个 jellyfin 服务器都搭不明白
>has to "stream" on discord
>只能在 Discord 上"直播"
lmao
>>109794337
>bro just host an entire media server, port forward, reveal your IP address, force others to visit this specific site while you're already in a discord call, hope you don't need to transcode for everyone, and hammer your balls with sharp nails
>老哥，搭一整套媒体服务器、做端口转发、暴露你的 IP、逼别人开这个特定网站、这会儿你们本来就在 Discord 语音里、祈祷不用给每个人转码，然后拿钉子锤自己的蛋蛋
no thanks, I'll just press the "Start screenshare" button
谢谢不用了，我就按一下"开始屏幕共享"按钮
>>109794348
trvthnvke
What's federation mean in this context? Completely separate account/friend-list/etc so you can dictate your own rules and now the owner of the software? Shame most don't support E2E for DMs at the least.
这里的联邦制（federation）是什么意思？是完全独立的账号/好友列表之类的，让你自己定规矩而不是软件拥有者说了算？可惜大部分连私信都不支持端到端加密。
>>109796569
>What's federation mean in this context?
>这里的联邦制是什么意思？
Matrix and XMPP are federated in the sense that it is a decentralized network that is very much like email. You have Matrix/XMPP servers hosted by someone (or by yourself) at some domains, perhaps example1.com, example2.com and example3.com. The users register on one of the servers and get their "handle" which consists of their username on that server + the domain of the server. In XMPP that would look exactly like email address: username@example1.com. In Matrix they use this format: @username:example1.com.
Matrix 和 XMPP 的"联邦"是指它是个去中心化网络，原理跟邮件非常像。Matrix/XMPP 服务器由别人（或你自己）部署在某些域名上，比如 example1.com、example2.com、example3.com。用户在其中一个服务器上注册，得到一个"句柄"，由用户名+服务器域名组成。在 XMPP 里它长得跟邮箱地址一模一样：username@example1.com。在 Matrix 里格式是这样：@username:example1.com。
The point is, all these users can talk to each other regardless of what server is anyone registered on, a user from example1 can chat with a user from example2 seamlessly. You can also have multi-user group chats. for example a group chat #our-chat:example3.com containing three users: @username:example1.com, @username:example2.com, @username:example3.com, and they all can talk to each other.
重点是，这些用户不管注册在哪个服务器上都能互相聊天，example1 的用户能和 example2 的用户无缝聊。还可以有多人群聊，比如一个叫 #our-chat:example3.com 的群，里面有 @username:example1.com、@username:example2.com、@username:example3.com 三个用户，他们互相都能聊。
This is what is meant by federation, it's a federated messaging network. XMPP is particularly easy to self-host, it is very light and requires very little RAM or CPU.
这就是联邦制的意思，它是一个联邦化的通讯网络。XMPP 自建起来特别容易，非常轻量，几乎不占内存和 CPU。
>>109751038
no voice calls
没有语音通话
>>109796569
>Shame most don't support E2E for DMs at the least
>可惜大部分连私信都不支持端到端加密
Yep
>>109775251
really?
>>109801047
YOU'RE A POOP.
>>109762512
>>109762418
TeamSpeak6 does P2P screensharing that can do 4k60 w/audio if your network connection is capable of handling it.
TeamSpeak6 有 P2P 屏幕共享，只要你的网扛得住，能做到 4k60 带音频。
>>109794309
my friends and i stream games or whatever we want to eachother often
我和朋友们经常互相串流打游戏或者别的什么
>>109762418
>>109750964
Stoat is so fucking garbage lmao
Stoat 真他妈是垃圾，笑死
>>109751038
it even handles images and link fetching, hell you can do emoticons in chat if you want, Discord has literally zero reason to exist at this point besides being a jingling key device for low IQ technologically retarded morons.
连图片和链接预览都能处理，聊天里想发表情符号都行，Discord 到这地步已经完全没有存在的理由了，就是个给低智商科技废柴白痴摇钥匙响铃的玩具。
>>109750964
why are they all shit soulless slop. we used to have it so much better. even skype with the ads would be preferable to this shit
为什么个个都是垃圾没有灵魂的工业废料。以前好太多了。带广告的 Skype 都比这玩意强
>>109804967
that's the fate of all electron apps
所有 Electron 应用的宿命就是这样
>>109751121
this. all of those so-called alternatives have a combined userbase of like 20 people
就是这样。那些所谓的替代品加起来用户也就 20 个人
>>109805210
Shitcord userbase is like 90% bots or glowies
Shitcord（屎的酷得）的用户 90% 是机器人或联邦探员
>>109806138
even the remaining 10% amount to 10000000% more users than all that tinfoil shit in the OP combined
剩下那 10% 的用户都比主楼那堆锡纸帽玩意加起来多 10000000%
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