云存储提供后 PBS 丢失了 70 年的档案片段（50TB 数据）
PBS loses 70 years of archival footage (50TB of data) after cloud storage provider goes bust. Most retarded thing here is that PBS didn't just buy 50TBs of hard drives and store it themselves. Its not that much storage space.
云存储提供商破产后，PBS 丢失了 70 年的档案片段（50TB 数据）。最弱智的是，PBS 不只是购买 50TB 硬盘并自行存储。它没有那么多的存储空间。
>>109567607
Cloud is ONLY for secondary backup, never anything more important than that.
云仅用于辅助备份，没有比这更重要的了。
>>109567634
so what's for FIRST backup? The hdd in your home that can go up in flames because you forgot a pizza in the oven?
那么第一个备份是什么？您家中的硬盘可能会因为您忘记将披萨放在烤箱中而着火？
>>109567607
Cloud = future
云=未来
Physical storage = get fired
物理存储=被解雇
It's that simple from an exec's perspective.
从高管的角度来看，事情就是这么简单。
>>109567607
physical media gods win again
实体媒体之神再次获胜
>>109567644
Correct. That's why there's a second backup.
正确的。这就是为什么有第二个备份。
>>109567658
buried in the backyard right?
埋在后院吧？
>>109567607
Many companies much bigger than this don't have a local backup they control of anything critical. They don't see it as a priority. Some cloud providers don't even provide a way to back it up locally (including many MS services), even though its required by GDPR. It's such a joke. Execs don't give a shit. They accept the risk. And this is the result.
许多比这大得多的公司没有他们控制的任何关键内容的本地备份。他们不认为这是一个优先事项。一些云提供商甚至不提供本地备份的方法（包括许多 MS 服务），尽管 GDPR 对此有要求。真是个笑话。高管们根本不在乎。 他们接受风险。这就是结果。
These kind of things are going to happen to services people actually rely on, including government services, health care and many more critical services.
这些事情将会发生在人们实际依赖的服务上，包括政府服务、医疗保健和许多更关键的服务。
>>109567607
>>109567692
Holy fuck I hope all my personal data gets wiped out like this. fuck advertisers.
天哪，我希望我所有的个人数据都像这样被删除。他妈的广告商。
>>109567644
That's the whole point of backups dipshit, what are the odds that
这就是备份的全部意义，笨蛋，有什么可能性
>Cloud provider goes defunct
>云提供商倒闭
>House burns down
>房子被烧毁
Happen close enough to each other that they leave you with no time to set up a replacement?
彼此之间的距离足够近，以至于您没有时间安排替代者？
AI did this
人工智能做到了这一点
>>109567673
No, it's my HTPC.
Did they delete all their original tape backups?
他们是否删除了所有原始磁带备份？
>>109567644
>50TB lost forever because of 3rd party cloud storage and no other backups
由于第 3 方云存储且没有其他备份，>50TB 永远丢失
What is that? Two or three LTO cassettes?
那是什么？两个或三个 LTO 磁带？
Someone has those tapes, they'll in a liquidity sale, they don't just vanish because going out of business, but Iron Mountain was probably managed by private equity who'll turn around and sell into another grift, because AI is the current thing.
有人拥有这些磁带，他们会进行流动性出售，他们不会因为倒闭而消失，但铁山可能是由私募股权公司管理的，他们会转身卖给另一个骗子，因为人工智能是当前的事情。
The data still exists. The storage company went out of business but the data was stored in Iron Mountain, who still has it. Since PBS didn't have a contract with Iron Mountain, that company won't release the data. PBS is currently trying to get a court order to establish that it is the owner of the data, at which point Iron Mountain will turn the data over to PBS. It's simply a legal process to ensure PBS isn't getting data it isn't legally entitled to. This protects Iron Mountain from legal liability. There's no reason to expect that the process won't play out with PBS getting its data.
数据仍然存在。存储公司倒闭了，但数据存储在铁山公司，铁山公司仍然保留着这些数据。由于 PBS 没有与 Iron Mountain 签订合同，该公司不会公布这些数据。 PBS 目前正在尝试获得法院命令，以确定其是数据的所有者，届时 Iron Mountain 将把数据移交给 PBS。这只是一个法律程序，旨在确保 PBS 不会获取其无权获取的数据。这可以保护铁山免于承担法律责任。没有理由认为这个过程不会在 PBS 获取数据的情况下完成。
Nevertheless, it's another example of why you must be careful with seeing cloud storage as some kind of magical place where data goes to live forever. In this case PBS is actually lucky that the storage company subcontracted out the storage to Iron Mountain instead of doing it themselves, or the data could have actually been lost forever.
尽管如此，这也是为什么您必须小心地将云存储视为数据永远存在的神奇地方的另一个例子。在这种情况下，PBS 实际上很幸运，存储公司将存储分包给 Iron Mountain，而不是自己做，否则数据实际上可能会永远丢失。
>>109567607
what the fuck is "iron mountain" data center. Why would you sign contract for such an important archival work with a literal who
“铁山”数据中心是什么鬼？你为什么要和一个字面上的人签订如此重要的档案工作的合同？
>>109567607
i guess the company that bought the out of business company still has the files but is refusing to give them back most likely for financial compensation extremely jewish considering its fucking pbs
我想收购这家倒闭公司的公司仍然保留着这些文件，但拒绝归还它们，很可能是为了经济补偿，考虑到它该死的公共广播公司，这是极其犹太人的行为
>>109567881
Look at it from Iron Mountain's POV. Some company called OSS signs a contract with you to store their shit. You don't know nor care what that shit it. You simply provide secure space in exchange for money.
从铁山的视角来看。一些名为 OSS 的公司与你签订了一份合同来存储他们的垃圾。你不知道也不关心那是什么鬼东西。您只需提供安全的空间即可换取金钱。
Now someone else shows up and says "that's my data, give it to me". How do you know if that's true? And that they're legally entitled to it? Iron Mountain needs a court to rule on ownership of the data, which is why that's exactly what PBS is doing. Just because two parties are going to a court for a decision on the legalities doesn't mean they're in an adversarial position. Iron Mountain wants to make sure they're only turning over data to those who are legally entitled to it. PBS wants the data they entrusted to a company that no longer exists. It's a process that protects all involved parties. No need to be like redditors turning everything into an outrage for recreation.
现在有人出现并说“这是我的数据，把它给我”。你怎么知道这是否属实？他们有合法权利吗？ Iron Mountain 需要法院来裁决数据的所有权，这就是 PBS 正在做的事情。仅仅因为两方要向法院就合法性做出裁决，并不意味着他们处于敌对立场。铁山公司希望确保他们只将数据移交给合法有权使用数据的人。 PBS 希望将他们委托给一家已不存在的公司的数据。这是一个保护所有相关方的过程。没必要像 Reddit 用户那样把一切都变成娱乐的愤怒。
>>109567879
>Iron Mountain Inc. is a global enterprise information management services company founded in 1951 and headquartered in Boston, Massachusetts. Its records management, information destruction, and data backup and recovery services are supplied to more than 220,000 customers in 58 countries throughout North America, Europe, Latin America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania. Iron Mountain is a component of the S&P 500 Index.
>Iron Mountain Inc. 是一家全球企业信息管理服务公司，成立于 1951 年，总部位于马萨诸塞州波士顿。其记录管理、信息销毁以及数据备份和恢复服务为北美、欧洲、拉丁美洲、非洲、亚洲和大洋洲 58 个国家的超过 220,000 家客户提供。 Iron Mountain 是标准普尔 500 指数的成分股。
I hate zoomers so much. Your ignorance of something doesn't alter reality to match whatever random shit is floating around in your head.
我非常讨厌变焦镜。你对某事的无知并不会改变现实来匹配你脑海中漂浮的任何随机的狗屎。
>>109567756
current lto is 40TB per tape native capacity
当前 lto 的每磁带本机容量为 40TB
>store data in one place
>将数据存储在一处
>it goes away
>它消失了
>"but that was the backup"
>“但那是备份”
why is it so hard to learn what backup means?
为什么了解备份的含义如此困难？
>>109567607
Two is one and one is none
二即一，一即无
>>109567607
>one copy
> 一份
>one location
>一个地点
That's not really an archive now, is it...
现在那已经不是真正的档案了，是吗...
>>109568032
one copy can be an archive, but not a backup. an archive just means cold storage (i.e. stuff not in active use), and of course a backup means a second (or more) copy. if you only have one copy then it can't be a backup, as what is it a backup of?
一份副本可以是存档，但不能是备份。存档仅意味着冷存储（即未主动使用的内容），当然备份意味着第二个（或更多）副本。如果您只有一份副本，那么它不能是备份，因为它的备份是什么？
>>109567731
deleted them right into the dumpster when they migrated to the cloud
当它们迁移到云时，将它们直接删除到垃圾箱中
This wasn't all of PBS, it's one local PBS station that "lost" its archive of locally produced content. The national PBS has far more content than could fit in 50TB.
这并不是 PBS 的全部，而是一个当地 PBS 电视台“丢失”了其本地制作内容的档案。国家 PBS 的内容远远超过 50TB 的容量。
>>109567645
Execs are retarded boomers with a gaggle of board-of-directors jews in their ear, being fleeces by other buzzword vaporware peddler VC startup jews, and fucking over the employees that haven't been outsourced to India yet.
高管们都是智障的婴儿潮一代，耳边有一群董事会犹太人在耳边，被其他流行语汽件小贩、风险投资初创公司犹太人所欺骗，还对那些还没有外包到印度的员工进行操弄。
The station paid $30 million for a new headquarters but wouldn't pay to have multiple backups of its archive data? Weird priorities.
该电台花费 3000 万美元建造新总部，但不愿意花钱对其档案数据进行多次备份？奇怪的优先事项。
>>109567607
>the internet is fore- ACK
>互联网领先-ACK
>>109568411
its weird how every time government funding comes up they get super anal about reminding you the local stations are all 100% independent *wink wink* and not PBS/NPR, but any other time we all know what's up
奇怪的是，每次政府资助出现时，他们都会超级肛门地提醒你当地电视台都是 100% 独立的*眨眼*而不是 PBS/NPR，但任何其他时候我们都知道发生了什么
>>109567879
probably because you don't want to trust it with bob, the IT guy.
可能是因为您不想信任 IT 人员 Bob。
>>109567607
Isn't this shit what S3 Glacier is literally for if you must go cloud?
如果您必须使用云，这不是 S3 Glacier 的真正用途吗？
>company goes defunct
>公司倒闭
>sue them
>起诉他们
lmao you aint gettin shit back
哎呀你就回不来了
no data, no dollars, no trust
没有数据，没有美元，没有信任
>>109567731
> “most” of the data is “unique and irreplaceable,”
> “大多数”数据是“独特且不可替代的”，
>>109567607
This guy, OSS founder and CTO Eren Nazi, has a very (((predictable phenotype))).
这个家伙，OSS 创始人兼首席技术官 Eren Nazi，有一个非常(((可预测的表型)))。
I don't know why I bother to look these things up anymore, we already know what tribe he belongs to.
我不知道为什么我还要费力去查这些东西，我们已经知道他属于哪个部落了。
>>109569728
*Eren Niazi
*埃伦·尼亚齐
kek autocorrect
自动更正
>>109567644
ideally, if you want to ensure that your legacy isn't erased, 4-7 forms of back up is ideal.
理想情况下，如果您想确保您的遗产不被删除，4-7 种形式的备份是理想的选择。
first is the primary source, which you use daily
第一个是您每天使用的主要来源
the second back up is on site, but in a safe location.
第二个备份位于现场，但位于安全位置。
third back up is onsite, locked up in a fire/water proof safe
第三个备份在现场，锁在防火/防水保险箱中
fourth back up is off site, in sister company or corporate warehouse
第四个备份位于异地、姐妹公司或公司仓库中
fifth back up is in a bank
第五个备份在银行
sixth back up can be in the cloud
第六个备份可以在云端
the last back up is the community, which has their own copies for you to tap into if there is ever a loss of the first 6 copies.
最后一个备份是社区，它有自己的副本，如果前 6 份副本丢失，您可以使用该副本。
but since these businesses like to do copyright strikes, let their legacies die off, never to return again, and their names blotted out.
但既然这些企业喜欢进行版权罢工，那就让他们的遗产消亡，再也不会回来，他们的名字也被抹去。
>>109567607
>data center business goes belly up
>数据中心业务陷入困境
how is that even possible in this economy
在目前的经济形势下这怎么可能
>>109567607
Cloudcucks lose again
云雀又输了
>>109567634
>giving your data to the cloudjew
>将您的数据提供给cloudjew
ngmi
>>109567607
>50TB of data
>50TB 数据
this could have fit on a dozen of hard drives that they would have own for less than 2 grands
这可以装在他们花费不到 2 英镑拥有的十几个硬盘驱动器上
>>109569793
yeeaa, but they would have had to pay someone to run the local server and that's a big no no
是的，但是他们必须花钱请人来运行本地服务器，这是一个很大的问题
>>109567607
Iron Mountain is fuckhuge and handles basically all archival services pretty much worldwide. They do things like tape arrays, that are far too expensive for even medium sized companies to deal with on their own, and do so offsite so your facilities can burn down safely without loss.
铁山非常庞大，基本上处理全球范围内的所有档案服务。他们做磁带阵列之类的事情，即使是中型公司自己处理这些事情也太昂贵了，而且在异地进行这些事情，这样你的设施就可以安全地烧毁而不会造成损失。
That's a very little amount of data and they should have had more than 1 (one) backup, but this is actually a big deal.
这是一个非常小的数据量，他们应该有超过一（一）个备份，但这实际上是一个大问题。
>>109569728
He's pakistani, retard.
他是巴基斯坦人，弱智。
As long as there aren't ... physical ... consequences for people they WILL continue to fuck up.
只要对人们没有……身体上的……后果，他们就会继续搞砸。
Reminder that pain is the best teacher. The more severe the better.
提醒你，痛苦是最好的老师。越严重越好。
>>109567607
wait iron mountain is ded?
等等，铁山是ded吗？
>be PBS
>instead of choosing PBS for backup you go cloud
>您可以选择云，而不是选择 PBS 进行备份
Linux is too hard guys. We need software for dey americans
Linux 太难了。我们需要为美国人提供的软件
>>109569861
Why would you have to pay someone to turn on a pc?
为什么你要花钱请人来打开电脑？
>>109570071
Shit breaks. Drives die. Brownouts happen. You're a bit daft huh.
屎坏了。驱动器死掉。发生停电。你有点傻啊呵呵
>>109570075
Okay? You're saying this like a broadcasting company doesn't already have staff and technicians who already use computers that already store data where you could store your backups. So again, why would you have to specially hire someone to put some drives in a computer and copy files onto them?
好的？你的意思是，广播公司还没有员工和技术人员使用已经存储数据的计算机，你可以在其中存储备份。那么，为什么你必须专门雇人将一些驱动器放入计算机中并将文件复制到其中呢？
>>109570091
>already backpedaling that hard
>已经如此艰难地倒退了
IQ status: 0
智商状态：0
>>109570100
>reiterating my original argument
>重申我最初的论点
>backpedaling
Maybe you shouldn't use such big words if you don't know what they mean.
如果你不知道它们的含义，也许你不应该使用这么大的词。
>>109570111
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
>我只是假装弱智而已！
>>109570091
They are spending $30 million to move into a new building that will "invite in the community" to hang out at the station. They're more interested in the trappings of being a tv station than actually running the station in a competent manner.
他们斥资 3000 万美元搬入一栋新大楼，该大楼将“邀请社区”来车站闲逛。他们对成为电视台的标志更感兴趣，而不是实际有效地运营电视台。
>>109570075
... like, how much did your teachers have to beat the living shit out of you in front of your classmates that you obtain braindamage so severe you make such utterly retarded statements, and, even worse, don't feel bad about it.
……就像，你的老师在同学面前把你打得屁滚尿流，你的脑损伤如此严重，以至于你做出了如此完全弱智的言论，更糟糕的是，不要为此感到难过。
At this point you couldn't even be classified as a human being anymore, like, holy shit. You're so far removed it's not even funny.
到了这个时候，你甚至不能再被归类为人类了，天哪。你离我太远了，一点都不好笑。
>inb4 no arguments
>inb4 无参数
They would be wasted on bottom feeders like you.
它们会被浪费在像你这样的底部喂食者身上。
>>109570211
>pajeet thinks drives don't die
>帕吉特认为驱动器不会消失
schizo moment even by poo standards
即使以便便标准来看也有精神分裂的时刻
>>109567607
Well, when you pay for cloud storage you also pay for the technical expertise and maintenance so that you don't have to self-educate or hire people with the expertise to manage this in-house.
那么，当您为云存储付费时，您还需要支付技术专业知识和维护费用，这样您就不必自学或雇用具有专业知识的人员来管理内部存储。
You'd expect the cloud provider to act professionally and do their due diligence toward their customers.
您希望云提供商能够专业行事并对其客户进行尽职调查。
>absolute retard thinks the message was that I think drives don't die
>绝对弱智认为传达的信息是我认为驱动器不会死
At this point all you're good for is being poached, literally.
从字面上看，此时你唯一能做的就是被挖走。
>>109570231
Yes, normally they are supposed to have a handoff plan as part of all contract terms in the event that they become defunct, which is handled by a preagreed contract with other cloud providers.
是的，通常他们应该有一个移交计划作为所有合同条款的一部分，以防它们失效，这是由与其他云提供商预先商定的合同处理的。
>>109570239
Poo in loo pajeet, not in thread.
拉屎去厕所，pajeet，别在帖子里拉。
>>109570231
while i don't disagree that when you hire professionals you expect them to handle it, it's still not good enough for backups, because it's still only one entity. see: >>109567988
虽然我不同意当你雇用专业人员时你希望他们能够处理它，但它对于备份来说仍然不够好，因为它仍然只是一个实体。参见：>>109567988
one copy cannot be a backup, no matter how sure you are of it, even if it's offsite and even if there's more than one copy at the site, since you're going through a third party, that's still only one means of accessing your data.
一份副本不能成为备份，无论您对它有多确定，即使它位于异地，即使现场有多个副本，因为您正在通过第三方，这仍然只是访问数据的一种方式。
it's like if i gave my mate 3 copies of something important, and told him to store one at his house, one at his parents' house, and one on his vps in another country... as far as i'm concerned that's still one copy because i'm going through one person to get my data back, if my mate tells me to fuck off then i'm fucked, he was my only means of getting the data.
就好像我给了我朋友三份重要的东西，然后告诉他一份放在他家里，一份放在他父母家里，一份放在他在另一个国家的vps上……就我而言，这仍然是一份副本，因为我要通过一个人来取回我的数据，如果我的朋友告诉我滚开，那我就完蛋了，他是我获取数据的唯一途径。
You will be poached, and there's nothing you can do about it.
你将被挖走，而你对此无能为力。
>>109567879
Iron mountain is where the seagate iron wolves live
铁山是希捷铁狼居住的地方
>>109569861
this doesn't require a full time job to maintain, the local IT guy, of which they must many given that's a fucking channel, could do it in its sleep
这不需要全职工作来维护，本地 IT 人员（他们必须有很多人，因为那是一个该死的频道）可以在睡觉时完成
>>109569861
>>109570075
>>109570100
>>109570136
>you VIL buy cloud storage
>您VIL购买云存储
>you VIL NOT own your own storage
>您不能拥有自己的存储空间
kill yourself already
已经自杀了
>>109567607
I saw the Rossmann video on this
我看过罗斯曼的视频
like 80% of the PBS board was women
PBS 董事会 80% 的成员都是女性
The CTO was a man but he was clearly retarded
CTO是个男人，但他显然是个弱智
Or maybe he warned about this but was ignored who knows
或者也许他警告过这一点，但谁知道却被忽视了
Iron Mountain have been in the news telling these people they are going to lose data before. The music industry found out 20% HDDs from the 90s don't fucking work. Iron Mountain provides storage for shitloads of companies and clients and those companies and clients are always doing dumb retarded shit thinking it'll be there forever.
铁山公司曾在新闻中告诉这些人他们之前将会丢失数据。音乐行业发现 90 年代 20% 的 HDD 根本无法工作。铁山为大量公司和客户提供存储空间，而这些公司和客户总是在做愚蠢的傻事，认为它会永远存在。
They don't pay for maintenance. They don't pay for backups. They don't check their storage. They don't bother trying to access any of the stuff until it's too late. PBS wants Iron Mountain to hand over the data without any contract and threatened them. I doubt PBS even knows what is theirs or not.
他们不支付维护费用。他们不支付备份费用。他们不检查他们的存储。他们不会费心去尝试访问任何东西，直到为时已晚。 PBS 要求铁山公司在没有任何合同的情况下交出数据，并威胁他们。我怀疑 PBS 是否知道什么是他们的或不属于他们的。
PBS is 100% to blame.
PBS 负有100%的责任。
OP should be dragged naked in the streets by coked up horses
OP应该赤裸裸地被喝了焦炭的马拖到街上
>>109570830
>the hard drives it receives from the media industry
>它从媒体行业收到的硬盘
so iron mountain is just a storage facility? companies put one copy of stuff there and call it their backup?
那么铁山只是一个储存设施？公司在那里放一份东西并称之为备份？
>>109570773
>drives never die
>驱动器永不消亡
>computers never break
>计算机永远不会坏
>brownouts never happen
> 断电永远不会发生
Tranny or profoundly retarded?
变性人还是严重弱智？
>>109567607
>Its not that much storage space.
>它没有那么多存储空间。
Sorry little cuck but your archival hard drives are needed by Scam Altman so he can fulfill his mission from Satan to make one hyperautistic Bosnian really annoying on 4chan. Maybe you can back up 70 years of cultural heritage sometime in 2045, if we let you!
抱歉，小混蛋，但 Scam Altman 需要你的档案硬盘，这样他就可以完成撒旦的使命，让一个患有自闭症的波斯尼亚人在 4chan 上变得非常烦人。如果我们允许的话，也许您可以在 2045 年的某个时候备份 70 年的文化遗产！
>>109570877
They are generally the last mile backup. They largely do cold storage first, but they have other things. Also they're in charge of things like making sure the storage persists and is safe. If the data dies because they didn't check tape integrity, it is on them as per contract. I don't know anyone who uses them for hot backups.
它们通常是最后一英里的备份。他们主要先做冷藏，但他们还有其他东西。他们还负责确保存储持续存在且安全等事务。如果数据因他们没有检查磁带完整性而消失，则按照合同由他们负责。我不知道有谁使用它们进行热备份。
>>109570883
>the cloud will never disappear
>云永远不会消失
>>109570981
When did you get diagnosed with an extra chromosome? Was it recent?
您什么时候被诊断出有一条额外染色体？是最近的吗？
I don't get it. 50TB is a couple of hard drives. We've got to stop acting like these are still massive amounts of data.
我不明白。 50TB就是几个硬盘。我们必须停止表现得好像这些数据仍然是大量数据。
>>109571015
Tranny or profoundly retarded?
变性人还是严重弱智？
>>109567607
50TB sounds woefully inadequate for 70 years worth of footage. So its probably better this way. It was probably terrible quality existing in a half state. Properly preserved SD tv requires about 50GB per hour.
对于 70 年的镜头来说，50TB 听起来远远不够。所以这样可能更好。这可能是半状态下存在的糟糕品质。正确保存 SD 电视每小时大约需要 50GB。
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