>Apple brings the hardware and a giant market of potential new gamers
>苹果带来了硬件和潜在新玩家的巨大市场
>Valve brings Proton
>阀门带来质子
Perfect marriage desu.
完美婚姻desu。
>苹果带来了硬件和潜在新玩家的巨大市场
>Apple brings the hardware and a giant market of potential new gamers
>苹果带来了硬件和潜在新玩家的巨大市场
>Valve brings Proton
>阀门带来质子
Perfect marriage desu.
完美婚姻desu。
>>109558010
Unfortunately apple users are unable to comprehend anything more complex than bejeweled hence no steam on apple's paperweight hardware.
不幸的是，苹果用户无法理解比珠宝更复杂的东西，因此苹果的镇纸硬件上没有蒸汽。
Valve would rather have a monopoly and closed ecosystem on linux than provide support for their 2nd biggest userbase which is MacOS
Valve 宁愿在 Linux 上拥有垄断和封闭的生态系统，也不愿为其第二大用户群 MacOS 提供支持
>>10955800
what are you talking about schizo? I have steam installed on my Mac
你在说什么精神分裂？我的 Mac 上安装了 steam
>>109558091
>copium induced hallucination
>鸦片诱发幻觉
Many such cases
类似的情况有很多
Your case seems quite severe there, I think you need to buy a new iPhone, since yours is already more than two months old.
你的情况看起来很严重，我认为你需要买一部新的iPhone，因为你的iPhone已经用了两个多月了。
No vulkan, no OSJeet support.
没有 vulkan，没有 OSJeet 支持。
no, i'm not using moltenVK
不，我没有使用moltenVK
>>109558010
Isn't valve being sued right now for yet again arguably illegal anticompetitive tactics?
Valve 现在不是再次因涉嫌非法反竞争策略而被起诉吗？
I can't believe so many PC gamers actually worship this company and think it's such a great consumer friendly thing. These wankers literally have exclusivity deals that say
我不敢相信这么多电脑游戏玩家真的崇拜这家公司，并认为这是一个对消费者非常友好的事情。这些混蛋确实拥有独家协议
>You cannot offer your game cheaper anywhere else than it is on steam, by the way, we take a 30% cut.
>你的游戏在其他地方不可能比在 Steam 上更便宜，顺便说一句，我们收取 30% 的佣金。
They have to offer it for that 30% extra price on their own website or it can't be on steam and that's why they're being sued. That's antitrust if I ever saw it.
他们必须在自己的网站上以 30% 的额外价格提供该游戏，否则就无法在 Steam 上销售，这就是他们被起诉的原因。如果我见过的话，那就是反垄断。
>>109558010
Honestly, I'd love to see that. I'm on Linux/Droid, but the Windows (gayming) market domination has to end. MacOS got a few cool native ports, but it seems like Apple absolutely hates every damn translation layer or anything they down own/control. It's a shame, because the crossover devs are turbo talented.
老实说，我很想看到这一点。我使用的是 Linux/Droid，但 Windows（同性恋）市场的统治地位必须结束。 MacOS 有一些很酷的本机端口，但苹果似乎绝对讨厌每一个该死的翻译层或他们拥有/控制的任何东西。这是一种耻辱，因为跨界开发者都是涡轮天才。
From the time I used MacOS I honestly liked it way better than windows. If it could support games and mods like windows does, and had decent gaming hardware that wasn't 20k I would have switched long ago.
老实说，自从我使用 MacOS 以来，我比 Windows 更喜欢它。如果它能像 Windows 那样支持游戏和模组，并且有不错的游戏硬件（不是 20k），我早就换了。
>>109558010
Apple and Valve are pretty much polar opposites in terms of internal company philosophy.
苹果和 Valve 在公司内部理念上几乎是截然相反的。
>>109559912
If you interpreted my statement as "Valve is good" that's on you.
如果您将我的陈述理解为“Valve 很好”，那是您的责任。
>>109558249
>worship
it's more like any alternative will become hellish after a while. going public, so the leeches come in to suck it dry. montly subscription to access your already paid library would be on the table.
更像是任何替代方案在一段时间后都会变得地狱般。公开，所以水蛭进来吸干它。每月订阅以访问您已付费的图书馆将摆在桌面上。
and let's be crystal clear here, the ones attacking valve are not doing it to 'save the gamers, or save the studios'. if you truly believe this, you need more experience in your life.
让我们明确一点，那些攻击 Valve 的人并不是为了“拯救游戏玩家，或拯救工作室”。如果你真的相信这一点，你需要更多的生活经验。
>>109558010
Small problem, macos only supports proprietary macos graphics API. More people work with vulkan than metal.
小问题，macos 仅支持专有的 macos 图形 API。使用 vulkan 的人多于使用金属的人。
>>109560634
Yeah but in this proposition they would solve this.
是的，但在这个提议中他们会解决这个问题。
>>109558010
Apple would not want to buy Steam's userbase. There is no great crossover or chance to cross-sell those customers on apple products.
苹果不想购买 Steam 的用户群。没有很好的交叉或机会向这些客户交叉销售苹果产品。
>>109558089
even if you exclude steamos there are more linux user than mac users on steam
即使排除 steamos，steam 上的 Linux 用户也比 Mac 用户多
>>109558010
Is the giant market of 5 people in the room with us right now, appletard? As for the hardware, that's even more laughable. Shitty olpc laptops from 15 years ago are better than the most beefy macshits today.
房间里有 5 个人的巨大市场现在和我们在一起吗，appletard？至于硬件，那就更可笑了。 15 年前的劣质 olpc 笔记本电脑比今天最强大的 Mac 笔记本电脑还要好。
>>109561978
>Shitty olpc laptops from 15 years ago are better than the most beefy macshits today.
> 15 年前的劣质 olpc 笔记本电脑比今天最强大的 Mac 笔记本电脑还要好。
such as?
比如？
>>109561978
You are clearly retarded.
你明显是弱智。
>>109562308
You are clearly mactarded
你显然是Macarded
>>109558010
>hardware
Apploo's GPUs are hot garbage. They barely compete with a 3050 from a decade ago.
Apploo 的 GPU 是垃圾。它们几乎无法与十年前的 3050 竞争。
>b-but muh goybench score
>b-但是 goybench 得分
kys
>>109560602
>>109558249
>sell on own website
>在自己的网站上销售
>take 30% for yourself
> 自己拿30%
What's the problem? by the way the rules are fake and gay games are ALWAYS SOLD CHEAPER ON THIRD PARTY WEBSITES.
有什么问题吗？顺便说一句，规则是假的，同性恋游戏在第三方网站上总是以更便宜的价格出售。
>>109560875
For what purpose? It gives them nothing to do so. In any case, the same corporation that works on Proton is working on translation software for Mac. They probably aren't funded by Valve to do it though.
出于什么目的？这让他们无能为力。无论如何，为 Proton 工作的同一家公司也在为 Mac 开发翻译软件。不过，他们可能没有得到 Valve 的资助来做这件事。
>>109558010
>>109562580
Proton doesn’t work in Mac that’s why people are buying codewavers. Stop with the propaganda.
Proton 无法在 Mac 上运行，这就是人们购买 Codewaver 的原因。停止宣传。
>>109562569
The issue isn't the cut, that's not anticompetitive but that they don't allow games to be sold for cheaper on other platforms.
问题不在于削减，这不是反竞争，而是他们不允许游戏在其他平台上以更便宜的价格出售。
You say it's fake but there's currently a court case going on that's establishing otherwise.
你说它是假的，但目前有一个法庭案件正在审理中，但事实并非如此。
>>109560602
Doesn't change that Valve isn't the holy not-evil corporation that so many gamers like to believe it is.
这并没有改变 Valve 并不是很多玩家所相信的神圣而不邪恶的公司。
They just with successful marketing managed to convince them of that.
他们只是通过成功的营销成功地让他们相信了这一点。
>>109558010
Yes, hardware you dont own combined with software you dont own. Perfect.
是的，您不拥有的硬件与您不拥有的软件相结合。完美的。
>>109558010
Apple and Valve were working together years ago, but suddenly stopped, some people think that Apple poached Valve engineers to work on the Vision Pro project since there was a lot of talk about Apple supporting VR at the time.
苹果和Valve几年前就曾合作，但突然停止了，有人认为苹果挖走了Valve的工程师来从事Vision Pro项目，因为当时有很多关于苹果支持VR的讨论。
So Valve basically leave Apple on legacy mode only supporting existing products, and even then not creating 64bit versions for their old games.
因此，Valve 基本上让 Apple 处于传统模式，只支持现有产品，即使如此，也不会为他们的旧游戏创建 64 位版本。
#outofsteam
Uninstall steam.
卸载蒸汽。
Embrace GOG or Epic, or just pirate games.
拥抱 GOG 或 Epic，或者只是盗版游戏。
Don't give Gabon another cent.
不要再给加蓬一分钱。
>>109563665
apple left themselves there, they're killing rosetta and refuse to adopt industry standard APIs
苹果把自己留在那里，他们正在杀死罗塞塔并拒绝采用行业标准 API
if they supported vulkan they could benefit from everything valve is currently pushing
如果他们支持 vulkan，他们可以从 Valve 目前推动的一切中受益
>>109562087
Now who is the CEO of Google and it's android division leaders all come from where? Take your meds.
现在Google的CEO是谁，它的Android部门的领导者都来自哪里？吃药吧。
>>109558089
>applefag complaining about closed ecosystems
>applefag 抱怨封闭的生态系统
We have a jokester over here
我们这里有一个爱开玩笑的人
>>109563567
>The issue isn't the cut, that's not anticompetitive but that they don't allow games to be sold for cheaper on other platforms.
>问题不在于削减，这不是反竞争，而是他们不允许游戏在其他平台上以更便宜的价格出售。
>You say it's fake but there's currently a court case going on that's establishing otherwise.
>你说它是假的，但目前有一个法庭案件正在审理中，但事实并非如此。
Valve doesn't allow people to sell steam keys for a lower price elsewhere. That's something entirely different.
Valve 不允许人们在其他地方以更低的价格出售 Steam 钥匙。那是完全不同的事情。
You can make your game cheaper on your own website.
您可以在自己的网站上让游戏变得更便宜。
>>109563567
>holy not-evil
>神圣不邪恶
no company is.
没有一家公司是。
but valve has demonstrated over decades, that it does not mistreat gamers in general. it could have done many things to increase its revenue even more or bow down to lawsuits.
但几十年来，Valve 已经证明，它并没有虐待一般的游戏玩家。它本可以采取很多措施来增加收入，或者屈服于诉讼。
the only ones attacking steam are the ones that want to be steam.
唯一攻击蒸汽的人是那些想成为蒸汽的人。
>>109568400
gargle that DRM cum harder valvenigger
漱口 DRM 暨更硬的 Valvenigger
>>109568516
the hilarious part being that sony is moving away from physical media, while having a mandatory fee to play online. not to mention, expensive prices, games locked to specific gens and games locked to a resolution so you get forced shitty 30fps performance.
有趣的是，索尼正在放弃物理媒体，同时强制在线玩游戏。更不用说昂贵的价格、锁定特定世代的游戏和锁定分辨率的游戏，因此你会被迫获得糟糕的 30fps 性能。
the only thing i miss from consoles is the low-threshold messaging, getting salty hatemail after i completely destroyed someone will never not be funny.
我在游戏机上唯一怀念的是低门槛的消息传递，在我完全摧毁某人后收到咸味的仇恨邮件永远不会不有趣。
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