So what are the main reasons why Hobbit-like housing isn't more popular?

So what are the main reasons why Hobbit-like housing isn't more popular?

那为啥霍比特人那种房子没那么流行，主要原因是什么？

I assume that because of the moisture industrial grade insulation materials need to get used but beyond that?

我猜是潮湿的问题，得用工业级保温材料，但除了这个呢？

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Why do hobbits prefer adirondack chairs?

为啥霍比特人偏爱阿迪朗达克椅？

Are they from New York?

他们是纽约来的吗？

>>109478078

People like windows. Yes, these houses have windows, but the options are more limited. Hobbits loved to stay outside anyway, so it was not a problem for them.

人们喜欢窗户。对，这房子也有窗，但选择更受限。霍比特人本来就爱待户外，所以对他们不是事儿。

>>109478078

humidity, mold

潮湿、发霉。

>>109478078

It's insanely ridiculously more costly upfront and requires extremely costly long term upkeep.

前期投入贵得离谱，后期维护更是烧钱烧到吐血。

>bb-b-but it looks nice

>但但但看着好看啊

If you're a hobbit maybe.

你要是霍比特人，那还行。

>>109478503

>extremely costly long term upkeep.

>后期维护烧钱烧到吐血。

Even if you use industry grade materials?

用工业级材料也这样？

>>109478814

"industry grade materials"

“工业级材料”

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>>109478814

The problem is the water / dirt / plants not what materials you use to build underneath them.

问题在于水和土和植物，不是底下用啥材料建。

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>>109478078

Thinking about it myself it's mostly the need for constant dehumidifying and flooding risk.

我自己想了想，主要还是得不停除湿和洪水风险。

Windows are surely not an issue as you can have them, either hobbit style or even on the roof.

窗户肯定不是问题，你完全可以装，不管是霍比特式还是开在屋顶上。

>>109478078

buy 3 shipping containers, weld them together

买三个集装箱，焊在一起

cut entrances in sides to make hallways

侧面切开门做成走廊

make middle one the entrance

中间那个当入口

put cool rocks in front

前面摆点酷石头

Bury the entire thing in rocks and dirt

整坨埋进石头和土里

plant lots of ferns

种一堆蕨类

start talking like Gollum

开始学咕噜说话

>>109478814

The problem with these things is the water leaking into the concrete and the very own concrete becoming extremely old and dated over time.

这些东西的问题在于水渗进混凝土，混凝土自己也会随着时间老化得不成样。

Right now you can just go to any old house built on an slope that has a brick and mortar wall to keep off the slope terrain, and in the vast majority of cases the wall will have extreme water leakage issues and is probably either about to fall off or is extremely cracked up, even with industry grade materials.

现在你随便找个坡上盖的老房子，那种砖砌挡土墙，绝大多数情况下墙都严重渗水，要么快塌了要么裂得厉害，就算用工业级材料也一样。

>>109478271

No, that's just where they vacation, they live in New Jersey.

不，那只是他们度假的地方，他们住新泽西。

>>109478078

The only way this would work is if the dwelling is dug into solid rock. If it's in soft forest soil, you're just going have more maintenance problems.

唯一可行的办法是房子挖进实心岩石里。要是建在松软的森林土里，你就等着无穷无尽的维护麻烦吧。

>>109478078

I lived in a house like that and it was a pain to maintain.

我住过那种房子，维护起来真是折磨。

>>109482184

How come rabbits and other animals can live in dirt tunnels without problem, but humans can't?

为啥兔子啥的能住土洞住得好好的，人就不行？

Skill issue?

技术不行？

>>109482477

They're smaller and were evolved to live in dirt tunnels.

它们体型小，天生就进化成住土洞的。

I used to live in a dimly lit piece of shit apartment and it's actually really depressing and gets on your nerves quickly. Not like pic related but similar.

我以前住过一间昏暗的破公寓，住久了真抑郁，很快就能让人神经衰弱。不像图里那样，但差不多。

Turns out people like windows and sunlight and need it to live

事实证明人喜欢窗户和阳光，而且活着就需要这些。

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>>109478078

>So what are the main reasons why Hobbit-like housing isn't more popular?

>那为啥霍比特式房子没那么流行？

Without skilled builders you'll just have extreme levels of moisture plus more insulation issues.

没有熟练的工匠，你只会面临极端湿度和更多保温问题。

Even in Switzerland where some of the practical houses like this stand (not least because of the underground shelter and tunnel construction experience) it's still typically easiest to construct by removing the soil and then re-adding it, probably doesn't even cost much less than adding another floor.

即使在瑞士，那里确实有一些这种实用性住宅（很大程度上得益于地下掩体和隧道施工经验），建造时通常也还是先挖土再回填最简单，而且成本未必比加盖一层楼低多少。

You pay for the architectural statement.

你为建筑美学买单。

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>>109482510

it's not that extremely depressing just expensive

倒不是特别压抑，就是贵。

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>>109478078

Look into monolithic domes. They work pretty well for earth-bermed and underground housing. But the real issue they're not as popular is because:

去看看整体穹顶结构。它们用于覆土和地下住宅效果很好。但真正的问题是它们没那么流行，原因有三：

1. Higher upfront cost

1. 前期成本更高 ⟦ 2. 穹顶的圆边要求更聪明的室内设计（虽然矩形结构没这问题，但矩形结构在承重和强度上不如穹顶，所以我不把它们视为地下住宅的候选方案）

2. Domes require more intelligent interior design due to rounded edges (although this is not true for rectilinear structures, but those are not as strong and good at bearing loads as domes are, so I am not considering them as candidates for underground housing)

穹顶因圆润边缘需要更精巧的室内设计（虽然直线结构不在此列，但它们的强度和承重能力不如穹顶，所以我不把直线结构列为地下住宅的候选方案）。

3. Ostracization. Being seen as the "weirdo" who lives in a home that's different from what most people have is not something the average person can either handle let alone wants. Most people prefer what is convenient and "normal" over what is functional and different

3. 被边缘化。被视为住在和别人不一样的房子里的“怪人”，普通人既招架不住也不想要。大多数人在乎的是方便和“正常”，而不是实用和与众不同。

I want a monolithic dome myself, since I think they're so functional, so I am obviously biased

我自己就想住整体穹顶，因为我觉得它太实用了，所以我显然有偏见。

Also absolutely do NOT do what >>109481768 says. I get that they're meming, but shipping containers do not have the structural strength needed to handle being buried underground and remain safe. You WILL get buried alive if you do this

另外千万别搞 >>109481768 说的那套。我知道他们在玩梗，但集装箱没有足够的结构强度来应付被埋在地下并保持安全。你要是这么干真会被活埋。

If you're intrigued by underground housing, you can also look up Coober Pedy. It's a town in rural Australia famous for having much of its structure underground due to how hot it gets in the area

如果你对地下住宅感兴趣，还可以查查库伯佩迪。那是澳大利亚偏远地区的一个小镇，因为当地太热，大部分建筑都建在地下而出名。

watch this rare and actually interesting /g/ thread get janny'd for being off-topic while doomposting and ragebait get to make it to archive

看着这个罕见的、其实挺有意思的 /g/ 帖子因为跑题被管理员删掉，而那些唱衰贴和引战帖却能活到归档。

>In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.

>在地洞里住着一个霍比特人。不是那种脏兮兮、湿乎乎的洞，满是虫子和黏糊糊的臭味，也不是那种干巴巴、光秃秃的沙洞，没什么可坐可吃的：这是个霍比特洞，那意味着舒适。

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>>109478078

damp

carbon dioxide suffocation

二氧化碳窒息。

>Muh maintenance

>又是维护问题。

If you use high grade waterproof membranes on the exterior and install French drains to divert the ground water what can go wrong?

如果外部用高等级防水膜，再加上法国排水沟引开地下水，还能出什么岔子？

>Muh light

>又是采光问题。

You can have a sun fountain thah drains the light through a crystalized top mirror

你可以装个阳光喷泉，通过结晶顶镜把光引下来。

>>109478078

they are traditional in some parts of China

在中国一些地方这是传统做法。

google yaodong

谷歌搜“窑洞”。

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>>109482507

humans are conquered the world, yet some dirt stop us?

人类征服了全世界，结果被点泥土挡住了？

>>109483185

It's practicality, not the dirt itself specifically. Rabbits and other animals can create tunnels that are easy to maintain. Humans creating tunnels require a lot more materials and maintenance, and living in tunnels won't be comfortable.

问题在实用性，不是泥土本身。兔子和其他动物能挖出容易维护的隧道。人类挖隧道需要多得多材料和维护，而且住在隧道里也不会舒服。