/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE

Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Provide specific use cases

提供具体使用场景

State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

说明BUDGET（预算）和COUNTRY（国家），否则绝不帮

>CASE

mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, XT M3

mATX：AP201、联力A3、XT M3

ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360

ATX：XT PRO (ULTRA)、AIR 903 Base/MAX、Lancool 207/217、Flux Pro、Meshify 3、4000D 框架、X50、BF360

Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

双腔: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU

Budget: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225/F, 12600K/F, 5600/X

预算配置：7500F、7/9600/X、225/F、12600K/F、5600/X

Gaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800XT

游戏配置：9850X3D、9/7800X3D、250K、5800XT

Workstation: 9950X/3D(2), 9900X/3D, 270K

工作站：9950X/3D（双），9900X/3D，270K

>COOLER

AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, be Quiet Silent Loop 3

一体式水冷：Thermalright Frozen Edge、Cooler Master Atmos、Lian Li GA II Lite、Corsair Nautilus RS、be Quiet Silent Loop 3

Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Phantom Spirit, NH-D15 G2

双塔：A620 PRO SE、Phantom Spirit、NH-D15 G2

ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

ITX/>42mm 内存兼容：Mugen 6 Dual Fan、AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change), KryoSheet (carbon sheet)

硅脂(TIM)：MX-7、Duronaut、PTM7950 (相变片)、KryoSheet (碳片)

*Most listings online are not actually 7950

*网上大多数 listings 其实根本不是 7950

>MOTHERBOARD

Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported

避开ASRock的AM5主板，仍有人反馈CPU退化问题

Choose boards with ALC1220 audio codec if possible

如果可能的话，选带ALC1220音频解码芯片的主板

>RAM

DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)

DDR5：2x16GB 或 2x24GB，6000CL30 (AMD)，6400CL32 (Intel)

Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

工作站：2x 32GB (预算型)，2x48GB 或 2x64GB (高端)

DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)

>SSD (保持固件更新)

DRAMless: 7100, NM790

无DRAM缓存方案：7100、NM790

PCIe Gen 4.0: 850X

Gen 5.0: 8100

https://borecraft.com/

>GPU

Budget: Arc B580, 9060 XT, 5060, used card

入门级：Arc B580, 9060 XT, 5060, 二手卡

*8GB has become a major constraint even at 1080p

*8GB即使在1080p下都成了大瓶颈

Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB, 5070

中端：9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB, 5070

High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti

高端1440p和中端4K：9070 XT, 5070 Ti

Workstation: 5090, 7900XTX

工作站显卡：5090、7900XTX

>PSU

Buying guide:

购买指南：

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR

1080p: 24" 165/180hz IPS, KTC H25X7

1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

1440p：27英寸 165/180Hz IPS 屏，KTC M27T6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

4K:KTC M27P6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

4K：KTC M27P6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

>OS

Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

激活 Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS

Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans

机箱建议：自带优质 PWM 风扇的机箱

Midrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)

中端风扇：Pure Wings 3、Arctic P12 Pro、P14 Pro (5包装，高转速下较吵)

High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

高端风扇：Fractal Momentum、Noctua G2 (140mm 或 120mm)

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Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

独立思考。不要盲目信任这里给出的建议。

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>A /pcbg/ 适用于每种使用场景和预算！

>Price tracking

>价格追踪

RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities

SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd

GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026

>2026 GPU 层级排行

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews

>电源评测

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

https://www.lttlabs.com/

https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:

给喜欢排行榜的朋友：

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews

>存储设备评测

https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)

https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter

>显示器猎人

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links

>其他有用链接

Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/

A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/

Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

AI took away our affordable hardware.

AI把我们的平价硬件弄没了。

Fuck AI. Stop giving money to AI companies.

去他妈的AI，别再给AI公司送钱了。

Nothing will get better. It's over.

什么都不会变好。完蛋了。

Your current GPU WILL be your last GPU.

你现在这显卡就是你最后一块显卡了。

I love nvidia

我爱NVIDIA

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hmmmmmmmmmmmm. i cant help but notice the lack of a blackwell 6000 in the OP.

嗯……我怎么没在主楼里看到blackwell 6000的影子

hmmmmmm I can't help but notice the lack of helios racks in the OP

嗯……我怎么没在主楼里看到helios机架的影子

I know they aren't for consumers but has anyone built a full nvidia desktop with their cpus? We can do amd cpu/gpu and intel cpu/gpu so just wondering if someone has done a double pairing for nvidia.

我知道这些不是面向消费者的，但有人用NVIDIA的CPU装过全NVIDIA台式机吗？AMD CPU/GPU、Intel CPU/GPU都能配，就想知道有没有人试过NVIDIA双搭配。

>>109472393

>>109472404

plap plap plap plap

啪啪啪啪

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>>109472346

>>109472349

I upgraded solely for AI

我升级纯是为了AI

I asked an MSI customer service rep about the speed of the RAM on one of their computers, and they literally said

我问过微星客服他们某台电脑内存速度，他们直接说

>I don't have that information because we don't advertise it

>“这信息我们没有，因为不宣传”

YEAH NIGGA, that's why I called you. WHO ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO ASK?

对嘛，老哥，我就是因为这才会打给你。不问你们还能问谁？

He literally said

他原话就是这么说的

>You'll have to buy the machine to find out what its speed is

>你得先买那台机器，才能知道它的速度是多少

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Is an x3d chip important if you're going to play on 4K?

如果要在4K分辨率下玩游戏，x3d芯片重要吗？

>>109472789

say it with me

跟我一起说

it

depends

>>109472789

Depends on the games you play.

这要看玩什么游戏。

If you want to save some money, it's fine to get a non-X3D chip @ this resolution.

如果想省点钱，这个分辨率下用非X3D芯片也完全没问题。

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7700x3d/19.html

>>109472789

it's not that hard to reach 120fps+ in games using fsr, dlss, frame generation even at 4k, a ryzen 5600 would gimp you then. but a 9600 should be acceptable.

在4K下用FSR、DLSS、帧生成打到120fps以上其实不难，但要真这样的话，ryzen 5600确实会拖后腿。不过9600应该够用了。

>>109472360

My 4090 is all I fucking need until I die.

我的4090够我用到死，其他啥都不需要。

>don't buy VA monitors

>别买VA屏

too bad fucking redditor. I love my chinese 1440p mini led that shines brighter than your overpriced oled scam with better color accuracy and a screen that doesn't require jewish daycare in order to not break in three years.

说这话的该死的红迪仔真可怜。我就爱我的国产1440p mini LED，亮度吊打你那台贵得要死的OLED智商税，色彩准确度更强，屏幕也不用像伺候祖宗一样供着，三年内不会坏。

I will never pay money for either very bad contrast on IPS or this retarded "premium" technology that artificially malfunctions right after warranty ends.

IPS那个烂对比度我永远不会掏钱买，这种保修期一过就故意出故障的所谓“高端”技术更别想让我买单。

I'm the last VA warrior standing proud. You can suck my cock and balls.

我是最后一个坚守VA阵营的战士，骄傲地站着。爱咋咋地。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785969544397591.jpg

>>109472789

X3D is facultative obligatory for gaming.

X3D是游戏党“可选但必买”的东西。

AI will dismantle capitalism in its entirety. it's a much needed correction. i want redditors to cry when they cannot afford funko pops and the latest games.

AI会彻底拆掉资本主义。这是必要的修正。我就想看着reddit那帮人买不起Funko Pop和最新游戏时哭爹喊娘。

retard

nothing matters in this life. i want to end it all

这辈子啥都不重要。我想结束这一切

>>109472992

If nothing matters, you might as well stick around

既然什么都不重要，那不如就待着呗

>>109472992

your desire to end it all doesn't matter bro

兄弟，你想结束一切的欲望同样不重要

>there is only one 3840x1600 37.5 inch monitor on the market with a high refresh rate

>市面上只有一款3840x1600分辨率的37.5寸高刷显示器

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>>109473042

well i exist in a world that abuses me merely for existing it's pretty tiresome

我活在一个光是存在就会被虐待的世界里，真的累死了

>>109473044

>why wont megacorps cater to my very specific set of requirements

>为啥大厂不照顾我那堆极其特殊的需求

>>109473055

better than 21 by 9

比21:9好多了

110dpi

perfect for sitting at 60cm from it

坐距60厘米看它刚刚好

more vertical room for video editing, documents and web browsing

垂直空间更大，剪视频、看文档、刷网页都更舒服

just a better ultra wide experience

这才是更好的超宽体验

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>>109473085

Why not settle for a 38" 3840x2160 screen and accept the horrifying and totally undesirable extra resolution?

干嘛不将就一台38寸3840x2160的屏，欣然接受那多出来的、恐怖至极、完全多余的像素呢？

>>109473100

i don't want to use scaling. 100% is where it is at. if i have to use scaling i might as well use a tv but then i would have to get a deeper desk that is more than 80cm deep which i don't want.

我不想开缩放。100%才是王道。要是得开缩放我还不如用电视，但那又得换一张超过80cm深的桌子，我不想搞。

>>109471207

That did not work. At this point I'm considering returning the new card and using OpenCL with my old card for my needs (I'm >>109465053)

那样没用。现在我在考虑把新卡退了，用我的旧卡走OpenCL来满足需求（我是 >>109465053）

>>109473140

Sorry, I meant I'm >>109464994

抱歉，我是想说 >>109464994

>>109473131

You wouldn't have to use scaling over 7 extra pixels per inch.

每英寸多7个像素而已，根本用不着开缩放。

1600p:

Display size: 34.62" × 14.42" = 499.26in2 (87.92cm × 36.63cm = 3221.03cm2) at 110.93 PPI, 0.229mm dot pitch, 12306 PPI2

显示尺寸：34.62英寸 × 14.42英寸 = 499.26平方英寸（87.92厘米 × 36.63厘米 = 3221.03平方厘米），109.93 PPI，点距0.229毫米，12306 PPI²

2160p:

Display size: 32.68" × 18.38" = 600.89in2 (83.02cm × 46.7cm = 3876.7cm2) at 117.49 PPI, 0.2162mm dot pitch, 13804 PPI2

显示尺寸：32.68英寸 × 18.38英寸 = 600.89平方英寸（83.02厘米 × 46.7厘米 = 3876.7平方厘米），117.49 PPI，点距0.2162毫米，13804 PPI²

In fact, considering the display is narrower, you could sit even closer to it.

其实，屏幕更窄的话，你还能坐得更近。

>>109473162

it is still not ultrawide

那它也不是超宽啊

>>109472288

I need to vent. This thing is normally $1000 and it's on sale for $900 (new). I found an open box on eBay for $650 and saw that I could make an offer. I put $600 and it was accepted instantly. Tax was $50; shipping was free. It made me wonder if I could've lowballed even lower.

我得吐槽一下。这东西正常价1000美元，现在新品特价900。我在eBay上找到一个开箱版650美元，看到可以出价，我就填了600，结果秒被接受。税50，免运费。这让我在想是不是出得更低也行。

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>>109473053

You abuse yourself by using Linux and AMD GPU's

你用Linux加AMD GPU，这就是在自虐啊。

>>109473254

wrong anon you got there. i am currently looking at new monitors.

匿名兄你搞错人了，我正盯着新显示器呢。

>All these games asking for 32gb only for mid quality at 1080

>现在这些游戏全要求32GB内存，结果1080p中画质才勉强跑

This is ridiculous, if you want to keep consuming the newest shit, they're going to force you to use the subscription service because to socialize you need to consume the newest slop that the rest of the normalfags consume.

这太离谱了，你要是还想继续追最新那堆破玩意，他们就得逼你上订阅服务，因为要社交你就得消费那些正常人都在消费的最新垃圾。

>socialize

If I have 2x8tb HDDs in my pc and just bought 2 more 22tb drives should I build a NAS for them or just shove them in my computer? NAS seems like a lot of extra cost and effort to set up but it would be nice to be able to easily play videos on my TV in the other room

我电脑里已经有两块8TB HDD，刚又买了2块22TB的盘，我是该搞个NAS还是直接塞机箱里？NAS看起来额外花钱又费劲去折腾，但能方便在另一个房间的电视上看片倒是挺爽的。

>>109473573

What else you would want to build a computer nowadays besides using it for running AI models (which the specs given at OP aren't enough) or playing the newest shit?

现在除了拿来跑AI模型（楼主给的那配置还不够格）或者玩最新那堆破玩意，还有什么理由值得装机？

>>109472440

We'll be getting full Nvidia desktops with the RTX Spark soon. They'll be weak, but next year we'll get Spark 2. That'll be something to look forward to, if you're an AIfag.

马上就有配RTX Spark的全套Nvidia整机了。性能会很弱，但明年会有Spark 2。你要是AI粉的话，那倒是值得期待。

What's a good CPU upgrade jump from a ryzen 2600 for a B450M PRO-M2 board? I keep seeing 3600 in system req, for new games I play, but that shit is only like 8% better I might as well stick to what i got.

从ryzen 2600升级，B450M PRO-M2板子配什么CPU比较值？我玩的新游戏系统需求老看到3600，但那玩意才强8%左右，我还不如接着用现在的。

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>>109473597

5800X3D

>>109473587

you could build two raids for two purposes on a nas. if you just want to play back video you'd need to get an 8th or 9th gen intel chip (even an i3 would be enough) with 8gb of ram or more and a 128gb ssd + a networking card maybe for faster speeds. that would be your nas. it would run cool and not use a lot of power and use standard hardware. you would install truenas on it and jellyfin via a docker + guide and could populate it with movies to watch on your tv or share the movies via smb to the tv.

你可以在NAS上做两套RAID各干各的。如果只是要回放视频，搞个8代或9代Intel芯片（i3都够了）配8GB以上内存加128GB SSD，再搞张网卡提速就够。那就是你的NAS了。跑起来凉快不费电，全是标准硬件。装个truenas，用docker加教程跑Jellyfin，塞满电影电视上看，或者走SMB共享给电视也行。

>>109473597

any x3d will be a worthwhile upgrade

任何x3d都是值得的升级

I thought isopropanyl was the go to screen cleaner since my spray bottle that I've been using has it, and since I never spray it on the screen itself but only the cloth I figured buying 70% isopropanyl would be more sensible. If you dont need the spray function why buy a spray after all.

我一直以为异丙醇就是清洁屏幕的首选，因为我那瓶喷剂里就有这成分，而且我从不对着屏幕喷只喷布上，所以觉得买70%的异丙醇更合理。不需要喷雾功能的话为啥还要买喷雾瓶呢。

But google says using 70% isopropanyl might damage the screen somehow

但谷歌说用70%异丙醇可能会伤屏幕

When did they decide to make screen coatings that are damaged by one of the most common cleaning agents for screens.

他们什么时候决定搞出能被最常用屏幕清洁剂弄坏的屏幕涂层的？

Think I'll get one of those chink handhelds and hunker down on it with emulators until this all blows over in a decade

我觉得干脆买个国产掌机，配上模拟器蹲着玩，等这波风潮过个十年再说

>>109473726

You should have done that six months ago, prices have already surged on those too

你该半年前就干这事，那玩意价格也已经涨上天了 ╰⟧ 还好我五年前买了3080，免疫这帮孙子搞的那套把戏。

Good thing I bought a 3080 5y ago so I'm immunized against jews doing jew things.

还好我5年前买了3080，所以我对那些犹太人搞的犹太勾当免疫了。

>>109473774

>samsung 8nm

>三星8nm制程

>10gb of vram

>10GB显存

>large hot running chip

>又大又烫的芯片

>subpar pcb designs

>PCB设计拉胯

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crazy to think xeonshitboxers are now high rollers too since the avg config of them was 16-32 gb

想想那些xeon垃圾箱玩家现在都能算高端配置了也挺疯的，毕竟他们平均配置也就16-32GB内存。

>>109473788

The heat my pc produces can warm me up during winter

我家电脑散的热冬天都能给我供暖了。

>>109473830

You can use an "air conditioner" to transfer that heat outdoors, during the summer, so it can go to France.

夏天你可以用“空调”把这热排到室外，这样热就能跑法国去了。

>>109474085

i am already doing that

我早就这么干了。

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>room gets to 86 freedom degrees when gaming

>玩游戏时室温飙到86华氏度。

>rest of the house is low-70s

>房子其他地方才70来度。 ♰ 兄弟们我要热死了。屋里跟外面一样热。

I'm dying bros. It's almost as hot inside as it is outside.

兄弟们我快热死了，屋里跟外面一样热得要命。

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>>109474178

You could buy a split AC unit on klarna

你可以用Klarna买个分体式空调。

Anyone have any experience with using those sodimm to dimm adapters with a ryzen system?

有人试过在Ryzen系统上用那种sodimm转dimm的转接卡吗？

I have an opportunity to get 128GB for $1000 CAD after tax and I'm very tempted to do it.

我有机会花1000加元税后搞到128GB内存，我真的很心动。

>>109474190

if it's ddr4 it's not worth it

如果是DDR4就不值。

if it's ddr5 it won't work

如果是DDR5那根本用不了。

Wasn't there an overclocking general or am I retarded?

以前不是有个超频专区吗，还是我脑子有问题？

>>109474204

It's DDR5, why wouldn't it work?

是DDR5，为什么用不了？

>>109474243

Too many slow gens, and overclocking has been pretty dead for a while

现在低端平台太多，超频这玩意儿基本已经死了好阵子了。

>>109474243

unless you are running 5+ year old hardware (arguably even older maybe even) there is no point in overclocking. any good platform is tuned enough by default to run at 95 to 98% of it's peak performance. just not worth it.

除非你还在用5年以上的老硬件（甚至可以说到更老的），不然超频真没意义。好平台出厂就调得挺好的，能跑到峰值性能的95%到98%，真不值得折腾。

>>109474270

I'm undervolting for better temps in the summer :c

我在降压跑，夏天温度好受点 :c

>>109474293

undervolting can not be reliably tested for stability on modern platform for all manufacturers. also not worth it. you are going to test and heat up your room so long that any gains you may gain would still be worthless if you didn't do that.

降压在现代平台上没法可靠地测试稳定性，对任何厂商都一样。而且也不值当。你测试的时候消耗的时间和加热房间的热量，就算真的有点收益也亏回去了。

>>109474305

You could look at used am4 systems

你可以看看二手的AM4平台。

lots of people upgrade to am5 and then theres a useless am4 board with a cpu and ram on it sitting around

好多人升级到AM5，然后一个带CPU和内存的AM4板子就闲置吃灰了。

ofc its a big fps jump but it depends on gpu and so on, so the typical wisdom is buy the best cpu you can afford

当然那是巨大的帧数提升，但也得看显卡啥的，所以常规建议就是买你能买得起的最好的CPU。

>>109474309

Is it just me or is undervolting a game/application dependent thing?

是不是只有我觉得降压这事是得看游戏/具体应用的啊？

Is there good floss for porn blocking, on a new build?

有啥好用的免费软件能在新机器上挡黄网吗？

How much better is the 9070? Going for 2K gaming with a 5800X3D.

9070强多少？配5800X3D玩2K游戏。

The XT is $800 not interested.

XT版要800块，没兴趣。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785981571141772.png

>>109474408

the more you buy the more you save!

买得越多，省得越多！

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785981714918932.png

Zen 6 when? Will it be good?

Zen 6啥时候出？会好用吗？

>>109474421

>5060 nowhere in sight

>5060影儿都没有。

can't believe people still buy nvidia slop especially when jensen is one of the largest players in this AI rush pumping prices to fuck

真不敢信还有人买英伟达那破玩意儿，特别是Jensen还是这波AI热潮里的大头之一，疯狂抬价坑人。

>>109474359

ehh. some games crash with any undervolt. some others don't. software the same way. system runs fine for weeks or months but fails to boot for some reason one day maybe or crashes for not reason but runs fine after. what even is the point if i can't rely on my computer. really wish cucksumer garbage had proper ecc support.

唉。有些游戏一降压就崩，有些没事。软件也一样。系统能稳定跑几周甚至几个月，然后某天莫名其妙就开不了机，或者无缘无故崩溃但重启后又好了。电脑都不能让我放心用，那还有什么意义？真希望那些消费级垃圾能有正经的ECC支持。

>>109474433

should have added the link too

应该把链接也贴上。

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-gb.c4293

>>109474305

my 3600 was about the same in st, but way better in mt. I upgraded to it from my 4690k because VR was pegging all cores

我的3600单核差不多，多核强多了。我是从4690k升上来的，因为玩VR把全核心都吃满了。

5800x3d as an upgrade path in a few years is also really viable, its more than potent enough as a CPU for GPU upgrades

过几年换5800x3d升级也挺靠谱的，作为CPU它带得动各种显卡升级，绰绰有余。

>>109474437

that's what I mean. Like there are settings that are solid for one game, and then not for another.

我就是这意思。有的设置对某个游戏稳如狗，换一个游戏就崩。

lact lets you set rules for choosing the oc, usually just like if a process is running.

lact能让你设置选卡规则，通常就是看进程是否在跑之类的。

>>109474421

mainly so very happy I didn't pay $1000 for a 3060 ti during the cough.

主要是我特别庆幸当年矿潮时没花1000刀买3060 ti。

>>109474433

AMD cards are garbage

A卡就是垃圾。

>>109472789

X3d is important if you're gaming at 240hz+ regardless of the resolution

如果你玩240hz以上刷新率，X3D很重要，跟分辨率无关。

>>109474544

:^)

nvidia puts so little ram in their cards that they are clearly just clowns.

老黄卡显存给得那么抠，明摆着就是小丑行为。

>>109474567

What card can do 240 fps at 4k?

什么卡能4k跑240帧？

>>109474570

Yeah i know i cant wait to play on my RX 9050 with 4gb of vram. At the end of the day even with less vram they are less garbage because you have Cuda. What are you gonna do with an AMD card? play games lmao

是啊，我迫不及待想用我的4GB显存RX 9050爽玩呢。说到底，就算显存少点，有Cuda还是比A卡强。买A卡能干嘛？打游戏而已，笑死。

>>109474580

you can do 4k 240hz in lighter games with a 4070

用4070跑轻量游戏能上4k 240hz。

I can't find a thread for peripherals, how do you fix a G703 mouse wheel? It literally scrolls just from touching it occasionally (without actually physically feeling the scroll), scrolls multiple times at once when just trying to scroll once, sometimes even in reverse direction.

找不到外设专帖，G703的滚轮怎么修？我偶尔碰一下它就自己滚（根本没感觉到物理滚动），想滚一下就滚好几格，有时候还反向滚。

G703 is the most expensive mouse I ever bought and it is literally the worst one I ever had, it only took 6 months for a vital feature to break like this

G703是我买过最贵的鼠标，结果也是我用过最烂的，才半年核心功能就这样废了。

>>109472889

>4090

based

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785983444665268.jpg

>>109474613

If its under warranty, it should be after just 6 months, contact logitech support

如果还在保修期，才6个月应该没问题，联系罗技客服吧。

Jump through a few hoops (just say you did all the steps they tell you)

敷衍走个流程就行（就说他们已经告诉你的步骤你都做了）。

They will send you a replacement

他们会给你换新的。

>>109474582

$ budget.

预算多少。

any budget below the 5080

5080以下随便。

any budget

随便什么预算。

and amd includes more ram.

而且A卡显存给得多。

you know this and are gaslighting. Yes, they shouldn't have a 4gb release, but again, compare the retail actual prices.

你明明知道还在这装糊涂。是，他们不该出4GB的卡，但话又说回来，对比一下实际零售价吧。

>>109474617

That's a pretty little power connector. I bet that's a low power card.

这小电源接口挺好看。我猜是低功耗卡。

>>109474636

they picked the new connector save space where possible to reduce the size of the gpus and to make them smaller

他们选新接口是为了能省空间就省，把GPU尺寸做小。

>>109474650

Then why use copper? It's not the 18th century.

那干嘛用铜？又不是18世纪。

>>109474660

copper instead of...?

铜代替啥了？

>>109474631

Anon they are cheap because they are useless, is that simple. gaming revenue lower than 2022. No one is buying their garbage cards except idiots

匿名老哥，他们便宜是因为没用，就这么简单。游戏收入还没2022年高。除了傻子没人买他们的垃圾卡。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785984023970185.png

>>109474660

Anon you're drunk

匿名老哥你喝多了吧。

Go to sleep

洗洗睡吧。

>>109474671

instead of innovate?

不搞创新就去死？

>>109474698

are those real steam pistons?

那是真蒸汽活塞吗？

>>109474678

You can't even speak English.

你连英语都说不利索。

>>109474767

No one bought their garbage RDNA4 has been historicly bad and when they announce they are exiting the GPU market i''ll came here to laugh at you

没人买他们的垃圾，RDNA4卖得惨不忍睹，等他们官宣退出显卡市场那天，我会回这帖笑你。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785985127713301.png

>>109474793

I'd bet that 600 mil of that 779 mil cones from console sales

我打赌那7.79亿里6亿都是主机收入。

Only a percent of a percent of gamers buy amd GPUs

买A卡的玩家只有万分之几。

>>109474793

Im not exactly sure what AMD gets out of the desktop pc market.

我不太懂AMD在桌面PC市场图啥。

Sure the work overlaps with console socs and server components, but it doesnt rake in the profits so why bother.

确实，这活跟主机SoC和服务器组件有重叠，但不赚钱啊，何必呢。

>>109474812

>it doesn't rake in the profits

>不赚钱

so long as the profit is greater than 0, any venture is worthwhile

只要利润大于0，啥买卖都值得做。

>>109474757

Where do I find this innovate? Is it a metal or nonmetal?

这"创新"在哪儿买？是金属还是非金属？

>>109474793

>can't speak english

>不会说英语

>won't shut up

>嘴上没把门

:(

I really wish I was speaking German rn

我真希望我现在说的是德语。

>>109474845

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_journals

>>109474828

Is it?

The rnd, validating chips for tsmc, customer support, maintaining drivers and such isn't cheap.

研发、替台积电验证芯片、客服、维护驱动，这些都不便宜。

Theres opportunity cost too, you taking talent from profitable sectors to keep the pc gaming segment going means you're less competitive in the money making areas.

这里面也有机会成本的问题，你把人才从赚钱的领域抽走，去维持PC游戏这块业务，就意味着你在最能赚钱的那些地方竞争力变弱了。

>>109474876

so? nvidia likely didn't make any money on cuda at first either. like i said, any venture that returns (even marginal) profits is worth having. amd was willing to bet on radeon because they spent billions on them. where's your bachelor of business, armchair expert.

所以呢？英伟达当初搞CUDA的时候，大概率也没赚到钱。我说过了，任何能带来（哪怕是微薄）利润的生意都值得做。AMD愿意在Radeon上赌一把，是因为他们砸了几十亿进去。你那个商学学士学位在哪儿拿的，键盘经济学家？

>>109474828

only if you have infinite capital and labor

前提是你有无限的资本和劳动力。

>>109474897

the nature of capital is infinite. learn some macroeconimcs.

资本的本质就是无限的。去学点宏观经济学吧。

>>109474901

*macroeconomics.

>>109474901

>>109474909

how about no?

要不还是算了吧？

>>109474757

We've known thermal propertiesof metals for a while. Only thing better is silver.

金属的热性能我们早就摸透了。唯一更好的就是银。

>>109474918

no has been thoroughly debunked by real economists for decades.

“不”这个字已经被真正的经济学家彻底驳斥几十年了。

>>109474933

i only listen to the fake ones. they make about the same sense most of the time.

我只听那些假的，反正大多数时候他俩说得也差不多。

>>109474940

concession accepted

认输了，接受现实

>>109474920

You aren't thinking big enough anon

老哥，你格局还是小了。

We need innovative metamaterial wires that have 1000x the conductivity of copper so that it can be shrunk 100x in size

我们需要创新的超材料导线，导电率是铜的一千倍，这样才能把体积缩小一百倍。

>>109474965

do not redeem sir

别兑换啊，兄弟。 ⟦ 愿望已实现：你的显卡现在贵了一千倍。

>>109474980

wish granted: your gpu now costs 1000x more

愿望成真：你的GPU价格现在贵了1000倍

>>109474997

>implying i didn't buy shares in nvidia and amd before making that change

>暗示我在做出那个改变之前已经买了英伟达和AMD的股票

i win. everyone else loses.

我赢了，其他人都输了。

>>109474997

What if it's cheap but causes turbo cancer when breathed in

那要是它便宜，但吸入会引发超级癌症呢？

>>109475011

intel owns the patent

英特尔握着专利呢。

>>109474678

How retarded do you have to be to read that and miss the part where they explicitly state it's due to lower semi-custom revenue aka game consoles, not desktop GPUs.

你得多蠢才能看完那段话还漏掉他们明说的原因——那是半定制营收下滑，也就是游戏主机，跟桌面GPU没关系。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785987442018721.png

>>109474920

>Mechanism: Defect-Induced Heat Capacity

>机制：缺陷诱导热容

There are many ideas, and nobody's doing anything cool.`

想法多得是，但没人在搞什么酷的。

Is there a tier list for aio coolers for performance and reliability? Thinking about getting one as there are a ton in the $50-60 range on scamazon with some even as low as 40-50, but obviously I'd rather spend and extra 10 or 20 bucks than have it fail and end up spraying coolant all over the inside of my case.

有没有一体式水冷在性能和可靠性方面的排行表？想入手一个，因为亚马逊上五六十刀的型号一大堆，甚至还有四十到五十的，但显然我宁愿多花十块二十块，也不想它漏水把冷液喷得机箱里到处都是。

>>109474812

AMD is controlled opposition. They exist in the desktop market so Nvidia avoids monopoly allegations. Lisa Su and Jensen Huang are cousins.

AMD就是受控的反对派。他们存在于桌面市场，就是为了让英伟达免于垄断指控。苏姿丰和黄仁勋是亲戚。

>>109475210

arctic freezer is good.

北极冷冻的挺好的。

>>109475216

Yeah, amd totally can compete with the 5090, but refuse to do it. This is the situation.

是啊，AMD明明完全能跟5090打，但他们就是不打。情况就是这样。

Are these hard drive docks good? So that I can unplug my HDDs when I don't need them without having to open my case. Which one should I buy? t. Krautland

这些硬盘底座靠谱吗？我想在不拆开机箱的情况下把机械硬盘拔下来。该买哪个？t.德国佬

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785989033960639.jpg

>>109475249

others said basically they're not like dangerous, but no they aren't good.

别人说了，基本不算危险，但确实不怎么样。

>>109475224

>5090

who cares? those aren't gaming cards

谁在乎？那些又不是游戏卡。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785989212204384.png

>>109475249

IMO no, I've found them to be fiddly and increase the chances of issues with the drive eg. random disconnects

我觉得不值，用起来很别扭，还会增加硬盘出问题的概率，比如随机掉盘。

WTF are you doing where you're still regularly swapping spinning rust anyway?

你什么活儿啊还在这儿频繁换机械硬盘？

>>109475265

that's a sus post.

那帖子不对劲。

>>109475288

What's so sus about it? It's based in reality even if the conclusion is retarded.

有啥不对劲的？结论虽然蠢，但它基于事实啊。

>>109475288

like, an asus post?

比如说，是华硕的帖子？

>>109475056

ofc they would. their future house fire cpus need it.

他们当然要这么干了，他们那未来要起火的CPU需要这玩意儿。

>>109473191

Probably, I got a $800 MSRP Samsung projector for free and if someone gave me $300 bucks for it I would let it go.

很可能吧，我白拿了一台建议零售价800美元的三星投影仪，要是有人给我300块我就出了。

>>109475336

yeah lol

哈哈是啊。

>>109473638

Safest way to clean new screens is microfiber cloth + distilled water.

清洁新屏幕最安全的方法就是超细纤维布加蒸馏水。

>>109473191

Stop being a bean counting bitch.

别他妈算计那点破账了。

>>109473191

>I put $600 and it was accepted instantly. Tax was $50; shipping was free. It made me wonder if I could've lowballed even lower.

>我挂了600美元，瞬间就被接受了。税50美元，运费免了。这让我琢磨着，当初是不是砍得更狠点也行。

Almost certainly but you never know, some of them are just retarded.

十有八九是，但谁知道呢，有些人就是脑子缺根弦。

A few weeks back I tried to buy something listed at $180 CAD +$50 shipping, the seller had offers open so I sent something like $130, which was auto-declined, then I bumped up to $140, auto-declined, $150, auto-declined, $160, auto-declined, after which I think I went up to $165 which was auto declined as well but by that point I had basically given up and didn't know why they bothered turning on offers to begin with if they couldn't even be bothered to drop 10% off the price.

几周前我想买件标价180加元加50运费的东西，卖家开了议价，我就发了130左右，直接被自动拒绝，然后加到140，又是自动拒，150，自动拒，160，自动拒，之后我试到165也是自动拒。到那会儿我基本放弃了，搞不懂他们既然连降价10%都不乐意，当初干嘛开议价这功能。

>>109475265

hmmmm. i cant help but notice the 5090 is still listed in the OP.

嗯……我忍不住注意到楼主帖里5090还挂着呢。

>>109475768

>hmmmm. i cant help but notice the 5090 is still listed in the OP.

>嗯……我忍不住注意到楼主帖里5090还挂着呢。

the list is meant to shill people to buy more expensive shit than they need. always has been

这清单就是拿来忽悠人买更贵的玩意儿，从来如此。

>>109475753

Counting beans is fun.

算账挺好玩的。

>>109475804

*rips headphones off

*一把拽下耳机*

>>109475792

>>109472393

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>109475263

>>109475267

Ok thanks.

行，谢了。

>WTF are you doing where you're still regularly swapping spinning rust anyway?

>你他妈到底在干啥，还在那儿定期换机械硬盘？

I want to use them as File History drives

我想拿它们当文件历史备份盘用。

>>109472346

>Stop giving money to AI companies.

>别再给 AI 公司送钱了。

Its illegal to not pay your taxes anon

佚名，不交税是违法的。

>>109475856

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785993978637350.png

>>109472288

>explodes in you're path

>在你面前炸开

>>109476004

slow out of warranty degradation is clearly better

保修期外的缓慢衰退显然更舒服。 ┘ 别担心，这方面它也会给你兑现的。

>>109476012

don't worry it will deliver on that front as well

别担心，这方面它也不会掉链子。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785995464946133.png

>>109476033

have you tried installing gentoo?

你试过装Gentoo吗？

>>109475804

THIS NIGGA COUNTING BEANS!

>>109476038

man all these steps required to make AMD hardware work are getting kinda tiring

哎，让AMD硬件跑起来要折腾这么多步骤，真心烦。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785995761290012.png

I am enamoured with getting a Framework laptop to replace my 6 year old desktop pc that has weird hardware issues. My days of appreciating a big box that generates heat are over.

我迷上了搞台Framework笔记本，替换我那个用了六年、硬件毛病一堆的台式机。我对大铁箱发热机的热爱已经到头了。

>>109476058

i don't see you compiling the linux kernel sir

大哥，我可没见你在编译Linux内核啊。

>>109476033

If you really want to work what that MCE error is, you would look up what the CE|MiscV|PCC|IECC|Scrub|etc fields mean.

你要是真想搞明白那个MCE错误是啥，就该去查查CE|MiscV|PCC|IECC|Scrub这些字段都什么意思。

>>109476098

it's better to cry on 4chin

还是去4chan上哭比较合适。

>>109475419

>>109475753

>>109475758

I had a friend try to low ball it and he received a counter offer of $560 so I only lost out on an extra $40 off.

我有个朋友试着压价，结果收到对方还价560美元，所以我也就亏了40美元的折扣。

>>109476096

i wouldn't do that on a 5800X

在5800X上我可不敢那么干。

not enough cores

核不够多。

>>109476098

these are the same as WHEA 18s on windows

这些跟Windows上的WHEA 18一回事。

i locked the max frequency at 4.6 GHz and it seems to be fine for now

我把最高频率锁在4.6GHz，目前看着还行。

it's not my main machine so i don't care but it's always funny how AMD manages to get away with it

这不是我的主力机，所以我无所谓，但每次看AMD这么糊弄过去都挺逗的。

they tuned their degradation curves slightly better than intel and now they don't have to pay for millions of replacements

他们把衰退曲线调得比Intel稍微好点，现在就不用掏钱换几百万台了。

if 4chan was a monitor panel type, what would it be?

如果4chan是一种显示器面板，会是啥？

>>109476127

crt with a broken housing and a misaligned tube and skewed colors and a mouse living inside of it

外壳烂了、显像管歪了、颜色偏了、里面还住着老鼠的CRT。

>>109476141

No, it'd be the newest gen of OLED.

不，会是最新代的OLED。

>>109476165

why are you asking the question if you are going to force the answer on me?

你既然非要硬塞给我答案，那还问个屁啊？

>>109476177

I wanted the right answer, but you screwed it up.

我想要正确答案，结果让你搞砸了。

>>109476185

my answer is objectively right and you are subjectively wrong now look for a way to evict the mouse squatting inside of your monitor and not even paying rent for it

我的答案客观上正确，你主观上错误，现在赶紧想办法把你显示器里那只白住的耗子赶出去，它连房租都不交

>>109476195

*he is not even paying rent for it

*它连房租都不交

>>109476195

You are wrong.

你是错的。

>>109476211

that sounds like a you problem. don't make your problem to my problem. we don't even know each other.

那是你的问题，别把麻烦甩给我，咱俩又不认识。

>>109476218

You may not know me, but I know (You).

你不认识我，但我认识（你）。

>>109476222

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785997616215789.jpg

>>109475217

Why is arctic Liquid Freezer gone from the OP?

为啥Arctic Liquid Freezer从主贴里消失了？

>>109476246

op is gay. he sucked cocks to afford his gpu.

op是基佬，他卖屁股才买得起显卡。

What's the qrd on choosing a motherboard? Other than choosing one that has the right amount of ports and slots?

选主板有啥要点？除了挑个接口和插槽够用的之外？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785997777822184.jpg

>>109476258

you need to be ALC1220maxxing

你得把ALC1220拉满

(this is the new /pcbg/ meme)

（这是/pcbg/的新梗）

>>109476258

You choose one with the best chipset. For AMD it's x870/x870E.

选芯片组最好的。AMD的话就x870/x870E。

>>109476325

Or right yeah, that's something I've already locked in on my choices as well. It's just been so long since I've put together a new PC build up from motherboard so I don't know if there are some new killer features or something I'd need to look out for.

行吧，这块我也已经定好了。只是太久没从零攒一台新机了，不知道现在有没有啥杀手级新功能得留意。

>>109476258

Ram QVL

for AM5 two dimm a lot boards are better like the MSI B850MPOWER or ASUS ROG x870e Apex

对于AM5双槽内存，很多板子更好，比如MSI B850MPOWER或者ASUS ROG x870e Apex

Form factor? If you want compact Matx boards can have up to 4xnvme and 2x data which is decent but if you need more get ATX

板型呢？想紧凑的话Matx板子最多能带4个nvme和2个sata，够用，但要更多就上ATX

Lane sharing, try to avoid boards with fucky lane sharing that gimp the main pcie slot the second you install an nvme (most Asus and gigabyte boards do this) Asrock are great at not lane sharing PCIE slot 1, OP reckons they cook your CPU... But op also sucks cock. I think we hear more reports since they have more aggressive settings and more people buy them as they are cheap hence more reports, the other three main brands also cook x3d CPUs. Keep voltage as low as possible, Vsoc must be under 1.2. I also keep scalar low as possible too as every plebbit post that had a dead CPU had 8+ on scalar

通道共享得注意，避开那种一插nvme就阉割主pcie槽的傻逼板子（大部分Asus和gigabyte都这样），Asrock在不动PCIE通道方面做得很好。Op觉得它们会烧你CPU……但op自己也卖屁股。我觉得是它们电压设定更激进，加上便宜买的人多所以反馈多，另外三家大厂照样烧x3d。电压能压多低压多低，Vsoc必须低于1.2。scalar我也尽量拉低，因为reddit上每个CPU暴毙的帖子里scalar都开到8以上

>>109476337

Oh and try get one not using Realtek LAN controller (but unfortunately thats a huge number of boards)

对了，尽量别买用Realtek网卡方案的（可惜绝大多数板子都是）

>>109476337

Thanks anon, added to my notes.

谢了anon，我记笔记里了。

>>109476344

That's something I've noticed, most are using Realtek and Intel costs a little bit extra usually. Didn't know if it mattered or not

我也注意到了，大部分都用Realtek，Intel的通常贵一点。不知道差别大不大

>>109476344

It's 2026

Realtek lan is more reliable and drops way less packets than Intel lan despite being cheaper

Realtek网卡更稳，掉包比Intel网卡少多了，而且更便宜

>>109474408

I got this at msrp

我是原价拿到的

>>109474793

>ai wouldn't lie about ai's performance

>ai绝不会吹嘘ai的性能

nigger cattle

尼哥牲口

>>109476367

run a speedtest and look at the CPU usage right now

现在跑个测速然后看下CPU占用

on I226-V it's <1%

on RTL8125 it's >10%

personally tested this as i have access to both

我两边都有，亲自测过了

>>109476364

>>109476367

Not the end of the world but I've had issues with getting the realtek drivers for lan and wifi to work or if they do work getting stuck in sleep mode all the time. luckily you always change the WiFi card if you take off the vrm heatsink but not the LAN. I had a friend who's driver worked fine (asrock x870e nova) but for wifi i never got the Asus strix b850e-i gaming RZ616 drivers to work, I had to replace with Intel AX200 WiFi card. And on a second build with the same board the motherboard supplied drivers never worked and I found some random ones on dells website that did so go figure.

不是世界末日，但我在搞Realtek的LAN和WiFi驱动上遇到过问题，要么装不上，要么装上了老是卡在睡眠模式。幸好你拆掉VRM散热片就能换WiFi卡，但LAN换不了。我有个朋友驱动跑得好好的（Asrock x870e nova），但WiFi方面，Asus strix b850e-i gaming的RZ616驱动我从来没搞定过，最后只能换成Intel AX200网卡。第二台同主板的装机，主板自带的驱动从来就没用过，我在戴尔官网瞎找了些驱动居然能用，你说离谱不离谱。

For what its worth despite microslop saying you can never use a wifi7 card on W10 Lenovo also has W10 drivers for the QC wifi 7 controller on the Mpower board https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds505734-qualcomm-wifi-driver-for-window-10-64-bit-desktop-workstation

YMMV

I have also seen RZ717 w10 drivers on dells site but can't remember the link

我还在戴尔官网上看到过RZ717的Win10驱动，但链接记不清了。

Is Radeon VII even worth bothering with nowadays?

Radeon VII现在还有折腾的必要吗？

When the PNY OC 5070 sells out, the bottom will be $700

等PNY OC 5070卖完，低价就是700美元了。

should buy the Gigabyte MO27Q28G or the ASUS ROG Strix XG27AQWMG

该买技嘉MO27Q28G还是华硕ROG Strix XG27AQWMG？

Huawei ramping up their own RAM fab will save us all.

华为自家内存厂投产，全人类都得救了。

4k CRT when

4K CRT什么时候出啊？

>>109472288

>>CPU

>Budget: mostly new gen

>预算：基本新一代

do you really need anything more than these for gaming? I bought a 7600 a few years ago just to have AM5 and haven't felt bottlenecked in the slightest

玩游戏真需要比这更强的吗？我几年前买了颗7600就为了上AM5，到现在一点瓶颈感都没有。

then again i'm currently cucked by a 1660 ti, will i have trouble when i upgrade my gpu?

不过我现在被一张1660 Ti卡着脖子，等我换显卡了会不会有问题？

>>109476571

Subjectively and objectively, I doubt it.

主观客观地说，我觉得不会。

Just get a 11800x3d once it reaches its lowest historical price and you're set for life, CPUs aren't going to get much better within the next decade.

直接等11800x3d降到历史最低价再入，一台用一辈子，未来十年CPU不会有太大进步了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786002651858934.png

thoughts on this build

这套配置怎么看

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786002779795882.png

It's actually over

真完了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786003618353116.png

>>109476609

Check case thermals would be a shame to have a decent build choked out with shitty case airflow https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cases phanteks also has good thermals

Get an NVME with DRAM

买带DRAM的NVME

Do NOT get that ram

千万别买那内存

Avoid RGB ram (traps more heat) and corsair ram (corsair you have a good chance of getting different mystery meat dies even in the same sku and they don't use proper thermal pads) I would get something like

避开RGB内存（积热更严重）和海盗船内存（海盗船同一SKU都可能给你混用不同的杂牌颗粒，而且散热垫用料不正经）。我建议你买这种

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01

Or

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q7LdnQ/kingston-fury-beast-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-kf560c30bbek2-32

Both of these have better timings, and better cooling than the ram you posted team group is hynix M-die and Kingston is hynix a-die

这两个时序更好，散热也比你发的那组强——Team Group是海力士M-die，金士顿是海力士A-die

Also for longevity of DDR5 I recommend pointing a fan at it picrel

另外为了DDR5寿命，建议拿个风扇对着吹，见图

If powercolor 9070xt hellhound can be found for a similar price to the GPU you listed I'd get that instead.

如果撼讯9070xt Hellhound能找到跟你列的那张卡差不多的价格，我会选它。

Otherwise build looks great

其他配置没问题

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786004108046377.jpg

>>109476673

fuck 'em, got mine

管他们呢，爷已经入手了

>>109476673

prices are coming down right now. just wait.

价格现在正在跌。等着吧。

>>109476706

kingston is truly underrated. they tend to use hynix a-die on their 6000cl40 kits since they're a big partner of sk hynix and have an abundance of hynix ram chips

金士顿是真的被低估了。他们的6000 CL40套条基本都用海力士A-die，因为他们是SK海力士的大客户，海力士内存颗粒管够。

>>109476812

Might as well just wait for AM6, DDR6, and RTX 6000 GPUs.

那不如直接等AM6、DDR6和RTX 6000显卡吧。

>>109476891

>AM6, DDR6

that's coming out in 2030

那玩意儿2030年才出

>RTX 6000 GPUs

that will be affordable in 2033 once rtx8000 launches

等RTX8000发布，得2033年才买得起

>>109476706

>Avoid RGB ram (traps more heat) and corsair ram

>避开RGB内存（积热更严重）和海盗船内存

is this something only recently came up? I know they have a Chinese supplier now but I got my Corsair kit in early 2025 and have no issues with it whatsoever

这是最近才有人说的吗？我知道他们现在有中国供应商了，但我2025年初入的海盗船套装一点问题都没有啊。

>>109476903

nta but i've been overclocking for a while now and corsair always likes to use the cheapest, worst ram chips in their sticks. it's just how they operate their business

不是楼主但我也超频好一阵子了，海盗船一贯喜欢在他们内存条上用最便宜最烂的颗粒，这就是他们的经营方式。

also anecdotally, I've used a lot of ddr5 kits and the worst overclocking hynix a-die kit I had was a corsair vengeance 6000 cl30 kit

顺便说个八卦，我玩过好多套DDR5内存，最烂的超频海力士A-die颗粒就是海盗船复仇者6000 CL30那套

>>109473566

>muh tripple-A goyslop

>俺的3A大作粑粑

AAA died in 2018

3A游戏2018年就死了

>>109476916

I see. I can't really change my kit now but I only run it at expo speed anyway and with this I haven't had any issues

明白了。我现在换不了内存条，但反正我只跑EXPO频率，这样用下来没出过啥问题

>>109476928

ram performance don't matter much in the grand scheme of things

内存性能在大局里真没那么重要

what matters is that you have enough of it to not bog your PC down

关键是容量够用，别让电脑卡成狗就行

>>109476903

Depending on the heatspreader design the thick plastic of the rgb strip can increase temps anywhere from 3-20c. Theres videos on yt where people tske the heatspreaders off their corsair ram and they get way better temps. Gskill are also bad for fat hot rgb, they use good thermal pads but never put any on the SPD chip so that overheats, as for corsair see >>109476916

看散热片的设计，RGB灯条那种厚塑料能让温度高3-20度。YouTube上有视频，把海盗船内存的散热片拆了之后温度能降不少。芝奇也是肥厚RGB的坑，他们导热垫用料不错但从来不给SPD芯片贴，所以那玩意儿会过热。至于海盗船，看 >>109476916

They also use whatever random chips that they found on the factory floor

他们还随便用工厂地上捡的杂牌颗粒

>>109477007

well I have a dominator titanium kit that was extra expensive. The cooling frills to replace the RGB did cost extra as well. In future if there will be one I'll avoid Corsair I guess.

唉，我买的是统治者钛金版，贵得离谱。为了换掉RGB还额外花钱买散热装饰。以后要是有机会换新，我估计绕开海盗船了

I'm still waiting for the parts for my old build but my GPU and PSU have already arrived. Can I just connect my GPU to my old office SFF then power it using my new PSU or does the PSU also need to be connected to the motherboard?

我还在等旧机子的配件，但显卡和电源已经到了。我能直接把显卡接到办公室里的小机箱上，然后用新电源供电吗？还是电源也得连着主板？

>>109476461

>run a speedtest and look at the CPU usage right now

>跑个测速看看现在的CPU占用率

What the hell? CPU usage actually went up almost 10% for the duration of the test and then dropped back down after it was over. What would even cause that?

搞什么鬼？测速期间CPU占用率涨了快10%，测完又掉回去了。这到底是啥原因？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786009451319062.jpg

Prices are driving me insane. I want to upgrade but fuck me everything is way too expensive.

这价格快把我逼疯了。我想升级，但妈的啥都贵得离谱

>>109477143

Sounds like an extremely personal problem to me.

听上去这纯粹是你自己的问题

>>109477140

i don't know because in theory the RTL8125/8126/8127 should have many of the same hardware offloading features that intel NICs have

不清楚，因为理论上RTL8125/8126/8127应该有很多跟Intel网卡一样的硬件卸载功能

it's not like the old crappy realtek 100mbit NICs that did everything in software

不比当年那个靠软件干活的破Realtek百兆网卡

bad drivers probably

可能是驱动太烂

>>109472326

>>109472355

I didn't buy I used old ass one I had laying around from years ago

我没买，用的是家里翻出来的老古董

after learned muscle memory on a faulty design (laptop) now Im cooked

在烂设计（笔记本）上练出了肌肉记忆，现在彻底废了

and again numpad is so bad stretching out

再说小键盘伸着手按也太难受了

I would never now a days

现在我可不会再干这事了

>>109477140

intel lan offloads the work to mossad's servers while realtek does it locally

Intel网卡把活儿甩给摩萨德服务器干，Realtek就在本地自己扛

pick your poison

自己挑毒药吧

>>109477166

its an intel lan specific feature afaik

据我所知这是Intel网卡特有的功能

realtek shouldnt be able to do cpu offloading like that

Realtek不应该能做那种CPU卸载

>>109475265

>those aren't gaming car-

>那些又不是游戏卡——

*ACK*

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786010779676193.jpg

>>109477236

RTL8125 has TCP segmentation offloading, checksum offloading, receive-side scaling, etc

RTL8125自带TCP分段卸载、校验和卸载、接收端缩放等等

it's decent hardware on paper

纸面上硬件还不错

but like many other hardware companies realtek can't write drivers and don't want to write drivers

但跟很多硬件公司一样，Realtek写不出驱动也不愿意写驱动

and they never publish any documentation so no one else can go in and do it for them

还从不公开文档，别人想替他们干都没门

it's unfortunate because they're impossible to avoid

可惜它又躲不开

Realistically speaking, what can I do with a 5090 on a 1440p 240hz monitor and a 7600X CPU?

现实点说，带5090配1440p 240Hz显示器加7600X CPU，我能干嘛？

>>109477266

you could upgrade cpu to 9800x3d and buy a 4k 360hz qd oled monitor

你可以把CPU升级到9800x3d，再买个4K 360Hz QD OLED显示器

we ballin

那咱就是起飞了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786010959358732.png

>>109477258

>wanted nvidia's fastest gamen gpu

>想要英伟达最快的游戏GPU

>got conned into getting their cheapest workstation gpu

>结果被忽悠着买了他们家最便宜的工作站GPU

ACK-

>>109477276

>work

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786011071736528.jpg

>>109477166

>>109477263

I just ran speedtest onmy rtl8127 at 7.9Gbps and it ate 20% of a 9800x3d

我刚拿我的rtl8127跑了下测速，7.9Gbps，直接吃掉9800x3d 20%的占用

not sure what's up with their drivers but at least it's reliable enough that I've never seen the driver crash over the last 4 months

不知道他们的驱动搞什么鬼，但至少够稳，过去4个月我一次驱动崩溃都没见过

https://github.com/NVIDIA-RTX/RTXNTC/releases

NVIDIA WON

>>109477290

>it ate 20% of a 9800x3d

>吃掉9800x3d 20%的占用

ouch

that's almost 100% usage on 2 cores

那差不多是2个核心跑满100%

linux or windows?

Linux还是Windows？

>>109477308

windows 11

视窗 11

>>109477290

you sure that wasn't the browser?

你确定不是浏览器的问题？

>>109477043

I'm just going to bump this question once

我就再顶一次这个问题

>>109477316

microsoft edge used 20% cpu usage and did 8.1gbps up/7.0gbps down

Microsoft edge占了20% CPU，跑出8.1Gbps上行/7.0Gbps下行

firefox used 30-35% and did 8gbps up and 4.5gbps down

firefox占了30-35%，8Gbps上行、4.5Gbps下行

>>109477043

You'll need to short two pins on your PSU's 24-pin plug to signal it to supply 12v power to your gpu

你得把电源24针插头上的两个针脚短接，才能让它给GPU供12v电

>>109477273

>no SSD

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786012408940105.gif

>>109477362

Thanks

>>109477395

when my old ass desktop from decade+ ago died I didn't even have an ssd back then

我那台十多年前的老台式机挂掉的时候，我连SSD都还没用过

swapped to laptop with ssd and higher hz and it was like light years faster in comparison

换到带SSD和高刷新率的笔记本后，那感觉简直快了一个光年

>>109477311

might be worth trying the latest drivers directly from realtek

也许值得直接去Realtek官网试试最新驱动

https://www.realtek.com/Download/List?cate_id=584

try NetAdapterCx first, then NDIS

先试NetAdapterCx，不行再换NDIS

>>109477595

There's not a lick of difference between the new netadaptercx drivers and what I had before but it's neat that they're offering a no-power-saving version of the driver

新的netadaptercx驱动跟我之前用的没啥两样，但挺有意思的是他们出了个不带节能选项的版本

>>109477290

>>109477684

The default settings are garbage for Realtek LAB. Open device manager and tweak it.

Realtek LAB的默认设置就是垃圾。打开设备管理器自己调。

Putting together a computer for my nephew.

在给我侄子配电脑。

Surprisingly nice case from Montech. Cost like 70 quid and came with a nice mechanical keyboard.

Montech的机箱意外地不错。大概70英镑，还送了个手感挺好的机械键盘。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786017075304584.jpg

my ram was unstable and I would fail vt3 after a minute with any voltage combination until I enabled pbo, why nigga

我的内存不稳定，不管怎么调电压跑vt3都是1分钟就挂，直到我开了PBO才好，这他妈是啥情况

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786017555307557.jpg

>>109477788

If this is the case I doubt your RAM is stable at all.

如果是这样的话，我怀疑你的内存压根就没稳定过。

Care to post Zen Timings?

能发一下Zen Timings看看吗？

>>109477741

Looks nice, it's strangely hard to find name brand crap with 2x exhaust fans in the back like that.

看着不错，现在想找大牌子还带2个后置排风扇的机箱还挺难的。

>>109477263

>>109477734

Every single offload setting was turned on by default

所有的卸载功能默认全开

The only "bad" settings that were enabled by default were the wake on magic packet/pattern match/LAN wake+shutdown settings

唯一默认开启的"烂"设置就是网络唤醒那堆：魔术包/模式匹配/局域网唤醒+关机

Also I might or might not have been able to reduce cpu usage by 3-5% by setting jumbo frames to 9KB which is the maximum supported by my switch and router. Not too sure if it's placebo or not since the effect is relatively tiny

另外我把巨型帧调到9KB（我交换机和路由器支持的上限）后，CPU占用大概降了3-5%，但不确定是不是心理作用，因为效果太小了

>>109477859

Not every offload setting works or is good. Jumbo Frame should be off. There's a bunch of settings to tweak that affect your mouse latency and DL speed.

不是每个卸载设置都有效或者有用。巨型帧该关掉。还有一堆设置会影响鼠标延迟和下载速度，都得调。

>>109477859

If you are using Windows then tell Windows to put the interrupts on a dedicated core instead of spreading to all cores.

如果你用Windows，那就告诉系统把中断绑定到专用核上，别撒到所有核上。

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/microsoft-interrupt-affinity-tool/

>ayymd’s 2nm x3d might release so late that tsmc gets exploded by us or china

>ayymd的2nm x3d可能拖到美帝或中国把台积电炸了才发布

pls

>>109478732

9950x3d2 and rtx6000 Blackwell ws will be peak hardware in a post nuclear world

9950x3d2和rtx6000 Blackwell工作站卡将是核战末世后的顶级硬件

Paying off the coming RTX 6090 even on a 36month payment plan with interest will be a good financial decision if you buy day 1 on release

就算走36个月分期带利息买即将发布的RTX 6090，只要首发当天入手，那也是笔明智的投资

the price hikes alone will make you come out on top

光靠那波涨价你就能赚回来

If you buy on 12 moth interest free you will earn money

如果你用12个月免息分期买，那你还能赚点钱

>>109476609

>9070 XT

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>>109478767

>The more you buy the more you save

>买得越多省得越多

He knew all along.

他早就知道了。

>>109477305

Honestly its gonna be quite the jump. We are getting the Shader Model 6.10 with DXR 2.0 preview,. But dont expect NTC or any major game to be using this until Microsoft releases Shader Model 6.10 which could be anywhere from february to march.

说实话，这跨度会相当大。我们拿到的是Shader Model 6.10配DXR 2.0预览版。但别指望NTC或任何大作会用上它，除非微软正式发布Shader Model 6.10，那可能要到二月到三月之间。

RDOA4 has 6 month left before get passed out in traditional raster even without DLSS 5

就算没有DLSS 5，RDOA4在传统光栅化领域还有6个月就会被淘汰。

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>>109478767

I'm gonna pool money from my extended family to buy a rtx6090 so we can secure generational wealth

我打算从亲戚那里凑钱买一张rtx6090，这样我们就能锁定世代财富了。

>>109476594

>3600 bros...

>3600老哥们的处境...

>>109476609

Pay a bit more for the XFX Quicksilver or Mercury OC 9070 XT models, these should have better cooling.

多花点钱买XFX Quicksilver或者Mercury OC 9070 XT型号吧，这些散热应该更好。

Check for case compatibility as well (360mm clearance)

也要检查机箱兼容性（需要360mm冷排空间）

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/389nTW/xfx-quicksilver-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx-97tqickb9

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tCdMnQ/xfx-mercury-oc-rgb-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx-97trgbbb9

>>109478828

>>109478871

>109850X3D + 6090 RTX

>KLARNA 36 MONTHS

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>>109475249

I've bought one of those from Ugreen, haven't tried it yet though but I was just going to use it for ancient drive laying around here and there to see if I need to save something from them. Wouldn't use it for serious stuff.

我在Ugreen买过一个那种的，还没试过，不过我就打算拿来接那些随手扔着的旧硬盘，看看有没有值得抢救的数据。正经活儿我不会用它。

>>109477888

>There's a bunch of settings to tweak

>有一堆设置可以调

Are there any articles/resources you'd recommend reading for a better/ideal setup on Windows?

有没有什么文章或资源推荐，讲Windows上怎么弄更好/更理想的配置？

>>109475249

Don’t skimp on those. Really.

别在这上面省钱。真的。

>>109479326

It depends on your chipset not all options work or are not even exposed on different ones.

这取决于你的芯片组，不是所有选项都可用，有些在不同芯片组上压根不显示。

The big ones are disable power saving or ones that sound like power saving (green ethernet, gigabit lite, EEE). Interrupt moderation can make a big difference too but it depends on your CPU and chipset.

关键是关掉那些省电功能，或者名字听起来像省电的功能（绿色以太网、千兆精简版、EEE）。中断调节也能带来很大差别，但这要看你的CPU和芯片组。 ┄ 这让我很火大，这芯片本来最多就该卖20美元。结果网卡价格跟AQC107甚至更新的PCIe 4.0 AQC网卡一样贵，甚至更贵。

>>109477290

>rtl8127

It pisses me off this was supposed to be a $20 chip at most. Yet cards are just as expensive or more expensive than an AQC107 or even the newer PCIe 4.0 AQC cards.

气死我了，这玩意儿最多也就值20美元一块芯片的价。可结果呢，这卡卖得跟AQC107一样贵，甚至比它更贵，连新的PCIe 4.0 AQC卡都比不上。

Seems like everyone just swapped over to realtek to pad their margins.

看起来大家都转投Realtek来拉高利润率了。

>>109479501

i got my pcie rtl8127 for around $30 shipped to replace my aqc113c that was frequently crashing when torrenting.

我买的PCIe RTL8127大概30美元包邮，用来替换我那个一挂BT就频繁崩溃的AQC113C。

i checked prices 2 months ago and it went up quite a bit. but that's also after the fact that a lotta new x870 refresh boards started integrating this chip

我两个月前查过价格，涨了不少。但那也是因为很多新的X870刷新版主板开始集成这个芯片之后的事了。

>>109479501

Realtek took over because it's all cheap shit even their website barely works.

Realtek能接管市场是因为全是便宜货，连他们官网都快瘫了。

Intel, Qualcomm, and others make way better network adapters.

Intel、Qualcomm还有其他厂商的网卡适配器好太多了。

>>109479545

There's not much competition in the consumer 10gbe space

消费级万兆市场没什么竞争。

Intel is MIA and Aquantia makes garbage that doesn't work. Realtek are the only ones supplying something that's halfway decent

Intel消失了，Aquantia造的是不能用的垃圾。Realtek是唯一还在供货且勉强能用的。

>>109479580

Most ISPs tap out at just 600-1000 mbps. 10gbe is overkill unless you're doing local stuff.

大多数ISP顶天也就600-1000 Mbps。万兆纯属浪费，除非你是搞本地数据传输。

>>109479580

>and Aquantia makes garbage that doesn't work.

>而Aquantia造的是不能用的垃圾。

Where does this come from?

这话哪来的？

I used the aqc 107 on both windows and Linux

我在Windows和Linux上都用过AQC 107。

Always ran fine, even with Chinese rj45 to SFP+ modules on the other side.

一直跑得很稳，哪怕对面接的是国产RJ45转SFP+模块也没问题。

>>109479614

>live in commie block

>住在筒子楼

>the wiring supports up to 1gbps only

>布线最高只支持1 Gbps

>the old controllers that got swapped only supported 100Mbits

>原来换下来的老网卡只支持100M

>got ISPs that offer 10gigs but only if you live somewhere with non cucked wiring

>运营商有万兆套餐，但前提是你住的地方布线没被阉割

100Mbits is a painful shitty mess which I already knew though the moment you download anything, now imagine a multiple household on that

100Mbps就是个折磨人的烂玩意儿，我早知道了——你随便下个东西就明白，现在想想好几户人共用这带宽是什么滋味。

I rented from a boomer that liked slow speeds like that it was a fucking nightmare

我之前从个喜欢这种龟速的老古董那儿租房，那叫一个噩梦。

I had to tell a guy how fuckin retarded it was to have sub 1Gig net when it's offered too, to save like a fuckin 15-30 euros a month or some garbage

我还得跟人解释，明明有千兆可选却非要选低于1G的网，就为了省个每月15到30欧还是啥破钱的，简直蠢到家了。

peoples idea of what is good value and good quality of life is completely fucking obliterated they are genuinely retarded

人们对啥叫性价比、啥叫生活质量的认知完全扭曲了，真是脑子有坑。

getting nerfed down to 100 or some other garbage over 1gigs for whatever sub 100 euro amount a month is not worth it

为了每月省个不到100欧，把网速从千兆降级到100M或其他垃圾水平，根本不值。

is there anything more aggrevationg in life than having shit internet because of your parents or other retards? the memories haunt me to this day

还有比因为父母或别的傻逼而用着烂网更让人抓狂的事吗？那些回忆至今还在折磨我。

and do think people want to be retarded on purpose when better altenratives exist is even more mind boggling

明明有更好的选择，却还有人故意犯蠢，这更让人费解。

holy fuck "people" dont desrve rights

卧槽，“某些人”根本不配拥有权利。

but yeah 1Gig is pretty good not gonna lie, best ive had yet

但说真的，1G确实不错，不吹不黑，这是我用过最好的。

nta btw

顺便说下，不是楼主。

>>109479839

their 10gbe stuff fucking sucks. threadripper systems at work had those. they would always disconnect for no fucking reason. both on linux and windows.

他们的10GbE烂得一塌糊涂。公司里线程撕裂者系统用的就是那个，老是莫名其妙断连，Linux和Windows上都是这鬼样。

>>109479849

and by multiple houiseholds I mean multiple people in the same household, when I had it alone it was bearable but that questionable in the end anyway

我说的“多户”是指同一户里好几个人，我自己一个人用时还能忍，但最后其实也挺悬的。

should I tell my friend to build or just wait? he wants similar to mine but it would cost him easily double what I paid

我该劝朋友自己装机还是让他等？他想要跟我差不多的配置，但花费轻松翻倍。

>>109479946

isnt building too late in (your country)?

在你那国家，现在自己装机是不是已经太晚了？

you can buy a 5090 or you can get the whole rest of the pc for nearly the same cost

你要么买张5090，要么用差不多的钱配齐整台电脑的其他部件。

>>109479946

If he's fine with the price now, just build. It isn't getting better for years. He might even be better off with a prebuilt and a protection plan.

如果他能接受现在的价格，就直接装吧。接下来几年只会更贵，不会好起来。他甚至可能更适合买整机加个保修计划。

>>109479859

You sure there wasn't some other bug?

你确定不是别的bug导致的？

There was an issue quite a few years ago with windows just loosing connectivity.

很多年前Windows确实有个bug会莫名掉网络连接。

The NIC however didn't matter. Intel, Solarflare, Aquantia, etc. they all suffered.

但跟网卡型号没关系，Intel、Solarflare、Aquantia，全中招。

I use an Intel X520 now (only because it was included with a Sonnet 10G twin) but will probably go back to Aquantia as I have a new motherboard so I'll see.

我现在用的是Intel X520（只是因为买Sonnet 10G双口时附带的），不过新主板到了后可能换回Aquantia，到时候再看。

>>109479849

your commie block is still better than a bit more rural germany. Best dsl internet I get here is 16mbit but in reality it's just 10. Fiber aint gonna happen anytime soon but thankfully I can use the TV cable for internet here up to 1000mbits.

你那儿的“共产区”比我这边德国乡下还强点。这边最好的DSL也就16Mbps，实际只有10。光纤一时半会儿没戏，好在还能用电视同轴线缆上网，最高能到1000Mbps。

>>109480072

those were zen 2 threadripper systems. any time they would get used at their rated speeds they would just lose connection. sometimes from just waking up. sometimes while doing nothing. a reboot would fix the issue. all the systems had the same chip (about five systems) that i don't remember the name of because it was a while ago. i test one system while someone was on vacation for two weeks on linux and has the same issues and from the logs at the time it looked like a bug in the firmware or driver. the nic would just power off for no reason. we just installed some server 10gbe cards in another slot and the systems worked fine. the motherboard also had another 2.5gbe realtek nic that didn't have any issues. i don't work there anymore but at the time i read a few problems with motherboards with that nic on them from other manufacturers and on other platforms that sounded just like mine. the server cards had realtek chips on them and weren't cheap but a full replacement of the systems also wasn't cheap since those had warranty at the time.

那是些Zen 2的线程撕裂者系统。只要按额定速度跑起来就会断连。有时候是刚唤醒就断，有时候是闲置时啥也没干就断。重启能解决问题。所有系统用的都是同一款芯片（大约五台），型号我记不清了，因为那是挺久以前的事。有人休假时我拿一台装了Linux系统测了两周，一样出问题，看当时的日志感觉像是固件或驱动的bug。网卡会莫名其妙自己断电。我们后来在另一个插槽装了几块服务器用的10G网卡，系统就正常了。主板自带的那块Realtek 2.5G网卡倒是一直没问题。我后来不在那儿干了，但当时我读到过其他厂商主板上配同款网卡在别的平台上的问题，描述跟我的情况一模一样。服务器网卡用的也是Realtek芯片，不便宜，但整机全换也不便宜，毕竟当时还在保修期内。

>>109480154

>your commie block is still better than a bit more rural germany.

>你那边的小区网还是比德国稍微偏农村的地方强多了。

true. a friend of mine has fiber coming to his home. he gets about 70mbts peak kek. i get about 250mbts on copper.

确实。我一个朋友家拉了光纤，峰值也就70兆，笑死。我铜线上能跑250兆。

>>109472288

5090’s up a few hundred more dollars at microcenter

Micro Center那边5090又涨了几百刀。

is chinese ram worth it right now?

现在国产内存条值得入手吗？

>>109472288

So I'm looking to either build or find a prebuilt with 9800x3d, 9070xt (or 5080 if there's an absolute steal) and 32-48gb of ram, what brands and and tiers or systems are reputable atm?

我想自己组装或者买个整机，配置是9800x3d、9070xt（如果有超值价也可以上5080）加32到48G内存，现在哪些品牌或整机靠谱？

I've heard to avoid asrock motherboards

听说要避开华擎的主板。

Anybody turn their pc into their own personal game streaming server? I have a 9800x3d/5090 build but I just hate sitting at my pc these days, so I kinda want to try setting it up so I can remote play from it with my steam deck or tablet, even away from home.

有人把自己的电脑变成私人游戏串流服务器了吗？我配了一台9800x3d/5090的机器，但这阵子就是懒得坐在电脑前，所以有点想试试设置好之后用Steam Deck或者平板远程玩，哪怕在外面也能玩。

>>109480439

Passable if you're not a tuning schizo, but they're holding firm on market prices.

不上头调校的话凑合能用，但他们价格卡得很死。

Even Apple can't get favorable supply deals from CMXT.

连苹果都拿不到CMXT的优惠供货价。

>>109480510

based. fuck macfags.

说得对，去他妈的水果党。

Tax free weekend time to buy hardware that's still $150 over MSRP at release

免税周末买硬件，结果还是比原价贵150刀，刚发售的价格就这德行。

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>retailers warning 5070 ti and 5080 are almost out of stock and restocks are going to be rare moving forward

>零售商警告5070 Ti和5080几乎断货，后续补货会很少。

We're reaching the end........

我们快到末路了……

>>109480673

>good gpus aren't effected

>好显卡不受影响。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786040056928487.jpg

>>109480673

too bad there arent tons of gun freaks in the country responsible for all this who could do something

可惜这个国家那么多枪迷，本可以干点什么的，结果啥也没干。

>>109480501

I don't stream games

我不串流游戏。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786040864940629.jpg

>>109480501

moonlight + sunshine

Moonlight加Sunshine。

>>109472911

I also bought a chinese mini led VA. It's brightness blinds me..

我也买了一台国产Mini LED VA屏。亮度亮瞎我眼。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786040959082483.png

>>109480673

This plus 2027 RAM being alotted already means you should just get a prebuilt on BNPL. Extended warranty, protection plan, etc. as well. Unless you're particularly wealthy, the helicopters are leaving Saigon.

这点加上2027年的内存都被预定完了，意味着你直接分期买个整机就得了。延保、保护计划什么的也一起上。除非你特别有钱，不然直升机已经开始撤离西贡了。

>>109480501

>>109480820

Vibepollo+Artemis is better

Vibepollo加Artemis更好。

It feels like you're playing your games natively if your host PC is hooked to Ethernet and your client is wifi 6 or 7.

只要主机插以太网，客户端用WiFi 6或7，玩起来感觉跟本地原生运行一样。

>>109480673

Saw it coming, that's why I got 5070 Ti last week myself.

我早料到了，所以上周自己先搞了块5070 Ti。

When they announced the price hikes, it was inevitable that these GPUs would get bought by hordes of people as the FOMO sets in and the availability was going to drop like a rock.

他们一宣布涨价，FOMO情绪一起来，这些GPU必然会被人群疯抢，供货量也会直线跳水。

Soon it's going to be $1500 for a 5070 Ti and that might just be the beginning, this thing could go for 2 grand a year from now.

过不了多久5070 Ti就得卖1500美元，而这可能只是开始，一年后这东西说不定能飙到2000美元。

Memory bullshit is going to get even worse too, so any waitfagging here is just going to lead to more pain in the future.

内存那破事儿也会变得更糟，所以在这儿当等等党，只会让以后的痛苦加倍。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786043681732867.gif

>>109480154

even if you live in bum fuck nowhere unless you are mentally retarded you pay to dig in fiber which is gonna increase your house worth expoentially too, but people are literally RETARDED

就算你住在鸟不拉屎的地方，除非你脑子有问题，不然花点钱挖光纤是值得的，这还能让你房子价值指数级上涨，但有些人就是纯纯脑残。

so retarded people will suffer

所以脑残的人活该受罪。

unless you genuinely live in the wood away form neighbours for days then maybe

除非你真住在深山老林里，方圆几天都见不着邻居，那还算情有可原。

have I expressed my disdain for retarded people enough?

我对脑残人士的鄙视表达到位了吗？

I have lived in the countryside too

我也在乡下住过。

>>109481399

I wrote a bit not somewhere totally rural. Most germans are renting here and the owners don't want to invest into this kind of thing. There is also tons of bureaucracy just to do anything. The only reason why I can now use the TV cable for internet is because the cable existed already and the house only needed a new receiver I ended up then paying myself.

我写得有点过，但不是完全农村那种地方。德国这边大多数人都是租房，房东不愿意在这种事情上投钱。而且搞啥都一堆官僚手续。我现在能用电视线缆上网，纯粹是因为线缆本来就铺好了，房子只需要换个接收器，最后还是我自己掏的钱。

>>109481465

>and the owners don't want to invest into this kind of thing.

>而房东不愿意在这种事情上投钱

back to my people are so fucking retarded thing

又回到我说的那句话：有些人就是特么的蠢。

it costs next to nothing to pop that shit in and when they are laying cable the cost for the whole neighborhood at the same time it's even cheaper

装那玩意儿几乎不花钱，而且施工队在同一时间给整个小区铺线的话，成本还能更低。

but of course some mentally handicapped boomer fuck for some reason want his house to be avoided because he doesn't need it, so now it costs even more if you wanna do it later and time consuming

但偏偏有个脑子有毛病的老年痴呆式人物，就因为自己用不上，非要让整条街绕过他家，结果后来想再装就得花更多钱、耗更多时间。

holy fuck these people

操，这些人真是服了。

the amount of generational trauma I have from retard shit need to be studied

这些脑残操作给我造成的跨代心理创伤，值得拿来当学术研究对象。

never ever let yourself be governed by or be in direct effect of RETARDS

永远别让脑残来管你，也别让自己被脑残直接影响。

>thinking about going back down from 4k to 1440p to get more mileage out of my 7900xtx

>想着从4k降回1440p，好让我的7900xtx多撑一阵

grim times

惨淡时代。

i should probably switch away from my 5900x as well but paying 300-400 for bottom tier 32gb ddr5 seems like absolute insanity

我可能也该换掉我的5900x，但花三四百美金买入门级的32GB DDR5纯属疯了。

>>109481550

Some private company wanted to provide fiber but they had so much trouble with bureaucracy and finding contractors for the cabling that they just gave up after some years. Telecom who is responsible for the infrastructure only does something if they are forced to or if one of those private companies was faster then them. In this case they will just open the street again and throw their cable next to the other. I think computer parts are somewhat more affordable here than in other EU countries but otherwise germany just fucking sucks.

有家私营公司想提供光纤，但官僚手续和找施工队太难搞，搞了几年直接放弃了。负责基础设施的电信公司，只有被逼着才会动，或者私营公司比他们快，他们才会跟进。那种情况下他们直接把路再挖开，把线缆扔在旁边。我觉得电脑配件在德国比其他欧盟国家便宜点，但除此之外德国真的烂透了。

>>109481621

So FSR Native to FSR Quality

所以就是从FSR原生画质降到FSR质量档。

>>109481621

4090 here, and am wondering the same. Shame, I like the real estate 4k offers too. But now that the protection plan on my 4090 has expired, it's probably in my best interest to lower settings across the board.

我用的是4090，也在想同样的问题。可惜啊，我真喜欢4k带来的视野。但现在4090的保修到期了，估计我还是把画质全面调低比较明智。

I've had led lights blinking in my peripheral vision for the past 20 years and I'm getting sick of it.

过去二十年我余光里一直有LED灯闪烁，我受够了。

I'm thinking of my next case as a functional piece of furniture.

我在把下一台机箱当成一件实用的家具来考虑。

What do you think of the fractal design XL case?

你们觉得Fractal Design的XL机箱怎么样？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786049597021160.png

>>109481996

>What do you think of the fractal design XL case?

>你们觉得Fractal Design的XL机箱怎么样？

It's only moderately homosexual with gold-trimmed feet.

也就带金边底座，稍微沾点gay气，不算太夸张。

>>109481996

>>109482092

it fits perfectly well into the life and living room of a modern metro sexual man. it is inoffensive to the eye and strikes a good balance in it's looks which makes it perfect when it comes to wife approval.

它完美融入现代都市型男的生活和客厅。看着不扎眼，外观平衡得恰到好处，老婆审批这关轻松过。

Zen6 VILL have estrogen cores and you VILL buy it.

Zen6会有雌激素核心，你们必须买。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786053973342184.jpg

>>109482714

AyyMD should fix idle power draw on non-APU SKUs before introducing low power cuck-cores. Is IF getting a large overhaul or not?

AyyMD该先把非APU型号的空载功耗修好，别急着上低功耗的“绿色小核”。IF到底有没有大改？

>>109482714

inte solved estrogencores tho

但Intel已经解决了雌激素核心这问题

will amd solve it yet or will the patch windows as a scheduler

AMD会搞定吗，还是直接把Windows当调度器打补丁

>>109482714

do those support avx512? if they do they aren't cuck cores.

那些支持AVX512吗？支持的话就不算绿色小核了。

>7800X3D with -15 on all cores

>7800X3D全核-15

>4090 at 80% power limit

>4090功耗限制80%

>still blasting heat even when idle

>待机时还在疯狂发热

Make it stop.

给我停下来。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786054866619920.png

Doods, how would a 5600X handle a 9070XT @ 1440p?

兄弟们，5600X带9070XT在1440p下表现怎么样？

>>109482883

fine in 99% of cases.

99%的情况下没问题。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXKyQYiLro8

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786055262193210.png

t-thanks

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786055347914510.png

>>109482859

you arent really idle then. start digging.

那你根本不是真待机。赶紧查查吧。

>>109482928

based fuck hydro bros

基操，去他妈的水冷党。

>>109482859

install lenux

装Linux吧。 ﹥ 今天这期电视药丸节目，我又一次被证实了。

On today's episode of the TV Pill, I get vindicated even further

今天的《电视药丸》节目里，我再次得到了平反。

Recap from the last episode:

上期回顾：

>>109446905

>>109447045

In today's episode we feature rtings latest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYB3CIRUUI

stick around as I get more and more vindicated day by day

别走开，我一天比一天更被验证。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786055473359772.png

>>109482945

>fonts don't look right on them

>字体在这些屏幕上看着不对

yeah into the trash it goes

对，直接扔垃圾桶。

>>109482714

>cuck cores on a desktop cpu

>桌面CPU上的绿色小核

for what purpose?

图啥？

>>109482954

6 series has a new subpixel aligment so fonts look better than before actually

6系列有新的子像素排列，其实字体比以前好看多了。

>>109482956

take intels cinebench score launch money.

拿Intel的Cinebench跑分公关费去吧。

>>109482964

>fonts look better than before actually

>字体其实比以前好看多了

>fonts look better than shit now!

>字体比屎好看多了！

how do they compare to regular monitors and i don't mean the tranny displays with tv panels in a monitor size.

和普通显示器比怎么样？我说的不是那种用电视面板装成显示器的“变装屏”。 ﹥ 更差，因为白色子像素加低PPI。

>>109482977

*lunch

>>109482977

worse because it has a white subpixel and low ppi

更糟，因为它有白色子像素，而且PPI还低。

which btw you shouldnt use at close viewing distances anyway

顺带说，近距离看本来就不该用这种。

if you wanna jerk off to text this is not what we talking about

你要是想对着文字撸，那咱们说的不是一回事。

>>109482945

Good for you.

那恭喜你。

I'll just Keep Waiting™.

我就继续等着™。

Also fuck LG.

还有，去他妈的LG。

i do believe ai is going to make our world a strange one in a few years. like i think technology is going to accelerate so fast that mankind will create god via technology. the singularity.

我确实觉得AI几年内会让世界变得很怪。我感觉技术会加速到人类用科技造出神的地步。奇点。

>>109483132

>I'll just Keep Waiting™.

>我就继续等着™。

for what, the S95H/S99H wont be beaten until next year with the S95J/S99J

等啥？S95H/S99H要到明年S95J/S99J出来才可能被超越。

>Also fuck LG.

>还有，去他妈的LG。

they dont have qdoled so

他们没QD-OLED，所以。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1786057883703600.jpg

staged reddit photo

摆拍的Reddit照片。

>>109483247

these look great on my IPS screen, I'm sold.

在我的IPS屏上看起来不错，我被种草了。