I still don't have the OP edition
我还是没拿到OP版
/mkg/ 机械键盘专楼
obligatory hall effect tmr post
例行霍尔效应TMR帖
Nobodies going to buy my lekker V2s now that tikkens and owlab ti exist
现在tikkens和owlab ti都出了，没人会买我的lekker V2了
>still no good ortholinear or columnar keebs
>还是没好用的正交或人体工学列配列键盘
>order beamspring keyboard
>下单了beamspring键盘
>Add a first aid kit onto the order
>顺手加了个急救包
>Website fucks up and gives me a f104 first aid kit instead of beamspring
>网站出故障，给我发了个f104急救包，没发beamspring
>Guy hasn't shipped my order in like over a week
>那哥们一个多礼拜了还没发货
I thought he had these on hand wtf is going on with this project
我以为他有现货呢，这项目到底咋回事
>>109460639
I'm a bit of a /g/ tourist because I have a learning disability (I'm stupid) but what is going on with these spring keyboards? Is it like a superior buckling spring keyboard or just some autistic shit that nobody will ever care about?
我算个/g/板的游客，因为我有学习障碍（就是蠢），但这弹簧键盘到底是啥玩意？是比buckling spring强的类型，还是纯粹没人关心的自闭玩意儿？
>>109460909
Its both better than buckling spring and also autistic shit you don't need to care about
两者都是：比buckling spring好，同时也是你不用操心的自闭玩意儿
If you want a model m/f just get that don't bother with this it's way less reliable and way more expensive
想要Model M/F就直接买那个，别折腾这个了，可靠性差得多，还贵得多
>>109460909
>just some autistic shit that nobody will ever care about
>纯粹没人关心的自闭玩意儿
That's this hobby. Buy or design and build the board that suits your cultivated autism.
这就是这个爱好。买或者自己设计组装一块配得上你培养出的自闭症的键盘。
>>109460958
>Its both better than buckling spring
>比buckling spring好
can you elaborate how? I have some 65nm cherry clears (I don't fucking know) and they're not quite as heavy as I'd like nor as tactile as I want. Its also loud as fuck because I have a super heavy finger; typing on a lenovo thinkpad or whatever I'm the loudest person in the office so I assume its my typing style.
能细说怎么好的吗？我有些65nm的cherry clears（我也不懂啥意思），手感没我想要的那么重，段落感也不够。而且声音巨吵，因为我手劲特别大；在联想ThinkPad上打字，整个办公室就我最响，估计是我打字方式的问题。
I only have a Duckee One which /g/ says is overpriced but somehow cheaper than even corsair MX reds. Would it be worth hunting down a beam spring for the heavier keypress and more tactileness, or should I just eat a giant cock and get a prebuilt with removable switches and swap them with something like Jupiter bananas?
我只有一个Duckee One，/g/板说这玩意溢价严重，但居然比海盗船的MX红轴还便宜。为了更重的键程和更强的段落感，值得去淘个beamspring吗，还是直接认栽买个可换轴的成品键盘，然后把轴换成Jupiter banana之类的？
As an aside, can key switch manufacturers get their shit together and stop putting retarded names to switches, and just make it easier to shop for?
顺便说一句，键盘轴体厂家能不能靠谱点，别给轴起些莫名其妙的名字，让选购简单点行不行？
>clicky or silent?
>段落感还是静音？
>tactile or smooth?
>有触感还是顺滑？
>light as a feather, medium as a normie, or heavy like an american?
>轻如鸿毛、适中像普通人、还是重如美国佬？
>RGB, yes or nah?
>RGB灯，要还是不要？
Just make a simple configurator and ship me the parts or charge me $50 to assemble it before shipping. I'm not interested in shopping sketchy overseas websites and waiting 2 months for some nerd to ship something to me.
直接做个简单配置器，把零件寄给我，或者收我50美元组装好再发货。我可不想逛那些可疑的海外网站，等上两个月让哪个宅男把东西寄过来。
>>109460639
You'll likely wait a good while before you'll get your keeb. Joe's site is an info mess but the gist is that if you order a Model F from him, that'll be a 1-2 month backlog of orders before it even ships. The current beam springs, the Round 2, is still being made, and you're looking at a backlog going back to like 2021. He'll probably give you a rough idea of the waiting time if you politely ask about it and point to how there's no info about that, only for the buckling spring ones. If there's shipping damage, and there'll likely be as Joe doesn't know what packaging material is, you hit him up and he'll send you replacements free of charge and offer you free shipping for any extras you'd like. Though he'll also ship them without any packing material, just a ziploc bag in an empty cardboard box because lol, lmfao, but my replacements arrived unscathed. If your order fucked up, just e-mail him and he'll correct it, he's pretty responsive when it comes to shit like that.
你可能要等挺久才能拿到你的键盘。Joe的网站信息乱成一团，但大意是如果你从他那里订Model F，发货前会有1-2个月的订单积压。现在的beam spring，也就是Round 2，还在生产，积压的订单能追溯到2021年左右。如果你礼貌地问他等待时间，并指出网站上只有屈膝弹簧款的信息，他大概会给你个大致时间。如果运输有损坏——这很可能发生，因为Joe根本不懂包装材料——你联系他，他会免费发替换件，还会给你免运费加购想要的东西。不过他发货也不带包装材料，就是塑料袋套着扔空纸箱里，哈哈笑死，但我的替换件倒是完好到达。如果你订单出错了，直接发邮件给他，他会修正，处理这种事他挺及时的。
>>109460471
There are plenty of good split columnar stagger boards out there.
市面上有好多不错的列式分体键盘。
anyone got some recommendations for wrist pain short of maintaining perfect posture? I just cannot float my hands for a whole day lol
有没有人推荐点缓解手腕疼的招，别光说让我保持完美姿势？我整天悬着手真撑不住啊哈哈。
I was thinking of trying low-profile key caps, or get a flatter keyboard
我在想试试矮键帽，或者换个更平的键盘。
>>109463014
Take regular breaks. Adjust your chair, desk, monitor, etc. height so that you can float your wrists comfortably. Use a chair designed to be comfortable for long periods like a herman miller aeron, embody, or steelcase leap. Having good posture and good typing technique is more important for your health than what type of board you're using.
定时休息。调好椅子、桌子、显示器的高度，让手腕能舒服地悬着。买把适合久坐的椅子，像Herman Miller Aeron、Embody或者Steelcase Leap那种。好姿势和正确的打字习惯比你用啥键盘对健康更重要。
>>109463124
well i know all that already I was more so looking for keyboard recommendations but thanks anyhow
这些我都知道啦，我主要是想求键盘推荐，不过还是谢了。
>>109463137
Get something split & columnar stagger then, that way you can adjust the halves in whatever way you find comfortable.
那就搞个分体加列式错位布局的，这样两半可以随便调到你舒服的位置。
>>109463155
>split & columnar stagger
>分体加列式错位
i never thought about that. never had one before.
我还真没想过这个，从来没试过。
anything i should know? I am completely new to that area of keyboards
有啥要注意的吗？我对这方面键盘完全小白。
>>109463218
It'll take some getting used to if you've only used row staggered boards up until now, but it's not as daunting to switch over as you might think. Most of these type of boards use QMK so you can also program them basically however you want. If you're interested in a dactyl like picrel >>109462094 you can send me an email to dactylman at protonmail.com.
如果你一直用的是行错位布局，换过来得适应一阵，但没你想的那么难。这类键盘大多跑QMK，所以基本想怎么编程都行。你对picrel里那种dactyl感兴趣的话，可以发邮件到dactylman@protonmail.com。
>>109463284
cool ty for the information. I think riding out the pain is the correct play and then get a split/stagger afterwards to hopefully help mitigate this happening again
好的谢了这些信息。我觉得先忍忍疼再说，回头再整把分体错位的，希望能少犯这毛病。
>you can send me an email
>可以给我发邮件
you don't gotta answer this if you don't want to but are you outside europe? if so that could be an issue
你不想答可以不答，但你是在欧洲以外吗？要是的话可能有点麻烦。
import fees where i am at currently are not pretty
我这边的进口税真不便宜。
>>109459204
hi anons, looking for any recs you might have
嗨各位匿名老哥，有啥推荐的尽管砸过来。
>US
>sub $100
>百刀以内
>TKL
>brown switches
>茶轴
>wireless
Not looking for anything too special or fancy, just want something I can haul around in a bag once in a while
不追求啥特别花哨的，就想搞一把偶尔塞包里带着走的。
No guide to posting in OP so let me know if I missed anything, thanks
楼主没写发帖规则，漏了啥就提醒我一下，谢了。
>>109463380
Syrupland, so yea outside yurop. Trust me I know how bullshit shipping & duties are.
Syrupland那地方，反正就是在欧洲外面。相信我，我知道运费和关税有多坑爹。
>>109463598
Just get a dome keyboard for travel under $100 they're more reliable and they come in much thinner form factors and are less fragile than mechs. Also the wireless will actually probably work
出门旅行就买个一百美元以内的穹顶键盘吧，比机械键盘更可靠，机身更薄，也没那么娇气。而且无线连接一般都能正常用。
>>109461063
Well what happened was I emailed him about the round 1 beamsprings and he emailed me back a month later saying he found some in the warehouse which I think is in China
事情是这样的，我给他发了邮件问第一轮波束弹簧键盘的事，过了一个月他才回我，说在仓库里找到了一些，那仓库好像在中国。
He said he's manually qcing them himself so I assumed he had them on hand but I think what's happening is he's got them in the warehouse he's importing them and then shipping it from him to me
他说自己在手动质检，我就以为货在他手上，但我觉得实际情况是货在仓库里，他先进口过来，然后再从他那儿寄给我。
>>109463905
>dome keyboard
>穹顶键盘
Is that just another way of saying membrane keyboard? Sorry I'm new to all this. Did you have any recommendations or is it just best to see what gets good reviews on retail sites
那不就是薄膜键盘的另一种说法吗？抱歉我新手不懂这些。你有啥推荐的吗，还是直接看零售网站上评价好的就行？
>>109463952
NTA Rubber domes are technically a different thing from membranes.
NTA 橡胶穹顶和薄膜严格来说是两种东西。
>>109463952
Membrane means there is a capacitive sheet underneath the switches which triggers on key press
薄膜指的是按键下面有一层电容片，按下去就触发。
Rubber dome is a type of switch that usually goes on top of the membrane and for the most part only rubber domes use membranes in 2026, with a few exceptions including the ibm model m.
橡胶穹顶是种开关类型，一般放在薄膜上面，到2026年基本上只有橡胶穹顶键盘还在用薄膜，少数例外包括IBM Model M。
>>109463014
How are you on laptop keyboards?
你用笔记本键盘感觉咋样？
I don't float but I found wrist pain when typing on a standard mx keyboard.
我不是说要悬浮，但我用标准MX键盘打字时手腕会疼。
The only "free" things are to
唯一"免费"的办法就是
>angle mod (aka position your left hand inwards too so your hands are in a ^ shape).
>角度调整（也就是左手也往里收，让手摆成^形）。
>learn a new keyboard layout.
>学一种新的键盘布局。
these differences seem to be marginal though.
不过这些差异好像挺微小的。
Otherwise buying a split keyboard with columnar stagger is the way. In order of cheapest to most expensive.
不然的话，买把带列错位的分体键盘才是正道。从便宜到贵排序：
>DIY Kit and learn 2 solder
>DIY套件，自己学焊接
>Pay for a build of a kit
>找人帮你装套件
>Buy from proper mass manufacture company
>直接买正经大厂量产的产品
If you do get a kit Choc v1 pink switches are the lowest profile and lightest switch.
如果真买套件，Choc v1粉轴是高度最低、手感最轻的轴。
All this being said though I don't use my split ergo board from a diy kit anymore because I just found it unreliable to type on as my soldering skills / chink tools, badly made kit? and pcb flex would require me to resolder my pcb every 6 months.
不过话虽这么说，我现在已经不用的DIY套件分体人体工学键盘了，因为我的焊接技术太烂、工具也不行、套件质量差，加上PCB弯曲，每半年就得重新焊一次，打字根本不靠谱。
>>109461063
I had also heard the opposite and it kinda spooked me from buying a keyboard as I've heard the beamsprings are pretty unreliable and fragile and the round 1s are more prone to issues
我也听说过完全相反的说法，搞得我都不敢买键盘了，因为听说波束弹簧很不耐用很脆，第一批的更容易出问题。
Some people even saying the modules break in months and that he'll gaslight you by pointing to positive reviews that you were at fault and that youd be responsible for shipping to and from for any defects
有人说模块几个月就坏了，他还会拿好评来忽悠你，说你操作不当，有缺陷还得你自己承担来回运费。
But I wanted to support the project so I bought one and I'm just praying to God i get a working product and don't have to play ticket tag for a month to wrench my $300 back
但我想支持这个项目，就买了一个，现在就祈祷老天爷给我个能用的，别让我跟客服扯一个月的皮才能把我的300美元要回来。
>>109461019
So uhhhh
所以，呃……
I'll link you a chyrosran22 video on this he can explain it better than me
我给你发个chyrosran22的视频链接，他比我解释得好。
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRH1ULmbNA&pp=ygUdQmVhbXNwcmluZyByZXZpZXcgY2h5cm9zcmFuMjI%3D
Basically in the beginning there was the beamspring. It is the granddaddy of the ibm keyboards
基本就是说，最初有波束弹簧，它是IBM键盘的祖师爷。
The model f was much cheaper to produce so that supplanted the beamsprings and the model m was the cheaper version of the model f so that became the keyboard we all know
Model f的生产成本低得多，所以它取代了beamspring，而model m又是model f的更便宜版本，于是它就成了我们都熟悉的那个键盘。
Beamsprings are supposed to be insanely smooth and good to type on even compared to a model f
据说Beamspring就算跟model f比，手感和顺滑度都变态地好。
The project were talking about is a reproduction of model f and beamspring keyboards where they use custom modules and keyboards to put the switches in. They are not the same thing as OG beamsprings and they aren't completely accurate to what beamsprings were but they still have some of the best key feel of any switch
我们这个项目是复刻model f和beamspring键盘，用的是定制模块和键盘来装这些轴。它们跟原版beamspring不是一回事，也不完全还原beamspring的原貌，但它们的按键手感仍然是所有轴里最好的那一档。
As for your recommendation I'm also heavy handed and I found I preferred zealios 65g (back when zealios was novel) buckling spring and black space invaders (though those are not usually great keyboards to buy due to chattering issues)
至于你的推荐，我也是大力金刚指，我发现我最喜欢的是zealios 65g（当年zealios还是新鲜玩意儿的时候）、屈蹲弹簧，还有黑色space invaders（虽然这些键盘因为抖动问题一般不推荐买）。
I would recommend you buy a model m from unicomp if you live in America it's extremely reliable never chatters and has very heavy keys that separate weak handed twinks from men
我建议你买一把unicomp的model m，如果你住美国的话。这东西极其可靠，从来不抖，键也特别重，能直接把弱鸡跟真男人区分开。
>>109464243
>How are you on laptop keyboards?
>你在笔记本键盘上打字感觉怎么样？
I've never gotten pain from typing on a laptop but I never spend more than 10 minutes at a time on them
我在笔记本上打字从来没疼过，但我每次用都不超过10分钟。
>Otherwise buying a split keyboard with columnar stagger is the way
>不然的话，买个列错位的分体键盘才是正道。
I'll most likely build a columnar stagger in the future. Is the procedure different from putting together a normal one?
将来我很可能会自己组一把列错位的。组装流程跟普通键盘有区别吗？
>If you do get a kit Choc v1 pink switches are the lowest profile and lightest switch.
>如果你确实要买套件，Choc v1粉轴是最矮、最轻的轴。
I think my pain stems from decades of typing on heavy switches and poor posture. Light switches sound like the logical choice, but not being able to rest my fingers on the keys will suck - though if i manage to learn to hover type permanently that won't be an issue
我觉得我的疼痛源自几十年敲重轴和不良姿势。轻轴听起来是理所当然的选择，但不能把手指搭在键上休息会很蛋疼——不过如果我学会永久悬停打字，那就不是问题了。
> I just found it unreliable to type on as my soldering skills / chink tools, badly made kit? and pcb flex would require me to resolder my pcb every 6 months.
>我只是觉得打字不靠谱，因为我的焊接技术/垃圾工具、做工差的套件？还有PCB弯曲，导致我每六个月就得重新焊一次PCB。
damn that blows lol. Is that common experience with these boards?
卧槽那真惨哈哈。这些板子普遍都这样吗？
>>109464208
>>109463983
I think I understand. So most "membrane" keyboards in current year will likely be using rubber dome, but it's still probably best to check
我觉得我懂了。所以现在的所谓“薄膜”键盘大概率是橡胶碗，但还是最好确认一下。
>>109444351
I realized that full-size with f13-f24 + media keys was the Light when I first cast heathen like you into the pit.
我第一次把你们这种异教徒扔进坑里的时候，才意识到全尺寸带f13-f24加媒体键才是真光。
>>109460973
they grew me in a greenhouse
他们是在温室里把我养大的。
Keychron POM low profile reds are pretty good
Keychron POM矮轴红轴挺不错的。
>>109465028
>full-size with f13-f24 + media keys
>全尺寸带f13-f24加媒体键
I love my F122 repro \( *v* )/
我爱死我的F122复刻了 \( *v* )/
He updated my order to have the beamspring first aid kit but then told me it'd be like a month before it ships
他把我的订单改成了带beamspring急救包，但告诉我发货大概还要一个月。
Glad I already have a model m otherwise I'd be really screwed
幸好我还有一把model m，不然真完蛋了。
>W key stops working
>W键不灵了
>pull out the key
>拔掉键帽
>huge dust cover stuck under all the keys
>巨大的防尘罩卡在所有的键下面
How do I clean it without pulling out every single key?
不一个一个拔键帽怎么清理？
>>109472150
Just bite the bullet and clean out the whole board, lazy fag.
硬着头皮把整块板子清一遍吧，懒货。
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