Why do people still run outdated windows? Is Windows XP and Windows 7 that good??
为啥还有人死守着老掉牙的Windows不放？Windows XP和Windows 7真有那么好？？
为啥还有人用老掉牙的Windows？Windows XP和Windows 7真有那么好吗？
Why do people still run outdated windows? Is Windows XP and Windows 7 that good??
为啥还有人死守着老掉牙的Windows不放？Windows XP和Windows 7真有那么好？？
>>109442389
windows 7 is the last good windows, and windows xp is the last non-bloated windows, best for a small vm.
Win7是最后一个能用的Windows，XP是最后一个不臃肿的Windows，最适合搞个小虚拟机。
Since the software actually responsible for the computer's operation still runs on the old operating system installed on the machine, I do not need to install a new version or replace it with one from another vendor.
因为真正负责电脑运行的软件还跑在机器上装的老系统上，所以根本没必要装新版，或者换成别家的系统。
>>109442407
good is a strong word. Windows 7 was the last barely tolerable version.
“能用”这词说得太客气了。Win7顶多算最后一个勉强忍得了的版本。
>>109442389
Xp with the "classic ui" was peak
XP配"经典界面"才是巅峰。
>>109442712
it didn't have good defaults (as all windows versions), but it could be configured to be pretty good and not abusive to the user.
默认设置确实烂（跟所有Windows版本一样），但调一调还是能变得挺好用、不虐用户的。
>>109442766
Windows 7 is pretty horrible by default yes. But many of its bad aspects cannot be fixed by any configuration. The damage is hard coded.
Win7默认状态确实烂到家。但它的很多毛病靠配置根本修不了，伤害是写死在代码里的。
>>109443060
like which ones?
比如呢？
>>109443060
holy cope and seethe
哈哈，继续自欺欺人原地破防吧。
windows7 is more usable than any Linux trash will ever be.
Win7比任何Linux垃圾都好用，永远都是。
>>109443114
no it's not.
并不是。
speaking as anon who switched from windows 7 to arch.
一个从Win7转Arch的匿名用户这么说。
>>109442389
The only people who use old windows are zoomers cause “muh nostalgia, I was totally born in the wrong decade”
还在用老Windows的只有Z世代，因为"妈的我好怀旧，我肯定生错年代了"。
Also they can’t into security so they typically connect them to the internet as well
而且他们根本不懂安全，照着还爱把机器连上互联网。
>>109442389
>Why do people still run outdated windows?
>为啥还有人跑老掉牙的Windows？
Because they're retarded.
因为丫是傻子。
>Is Windows XP and Windows 7 that good??
>XP和Win7就那么神？？
No
>>109443221
What is a fire wall?
防火墙是啥？
>>109443424
What is an unpatched zero click RCE?
未修补的零点击远程代码执行是啥？
>>109443438
A thing that's never happened on my internet-connected Windows 7 machine?
那是从来没发生在我那台联网的Win7机器上的东西？
>>109442389
computers havent changed since windows xp and neither has the way computers are used. windows xp should of been the last version
电脑从XP时代起就没变过，使用方式也一样。XP本该就是最后一个版本。
>>109442712
True and real.
说得太对了。
>>109443114
You don't know shit.
你懂个屁。
>>109443221
LMAO, you are completely clueless about windows "security". The vulnerabilities are there by design, most of them in the bloat. Updates only "patch" well known stuff and introduce new ones while trashing performance even more.
笑死我了，你对Windows的"安全"根本一无所知。漏洞是设计出来的，大部分都在臃肿组件里。所谓的补丁只是修些众所周知的问题，还顺手引入新的，顺便把性能再拖垮一截。
>>109443504
64 bits say you are a moron.
64位都在嘲笑你是个白痴。
>>109443438
Ill resinatll windows if ii get hacked whats the biggy
被黑了就重装系统呗，有啥大不了的。
Millennials are unable to invent or improve on their own; they are stuck with what their fathers have left over. Truly the most useless generation in modern history. I am sure that hundred years from now, people will look at the 2020-2060 years as the era of mediocrity.
千禧一代根本不会自己发明或改进，只会守着他爹留下的老玩意儿。真他妈是现代史上最没用的世代。我敢肯定一百年后，人们回看2020到2060年只会觉得那是个平庸至极的时代。
>>109443114
Linux is infinitely better but Windows 7 is better than any other Windows.
Linux好得没边儿，但Win7比其他任何Windows都强。
>>109443504
We now have muti cores processors with two types of cores mixed together, SSD, ip6, UEFI, tpm, usb4, ... XP is too old.
现在我们都用混合大小核的多核处理器、SSD、IPv6、UEFI、TPM、USB4了……XP太老了。
Didnt like xp, didnt like windows 7, used linux for a while between 2010 and 2013, windows 8.1 was good, windows 10 got better with 2021 but had memory leaks in earlier versions
不喜欢XP，也不喜欢Windows 7，2010到2013年间用过一段时间的Linux，Windows 8.1不错，Windows 10到2021年变好了，但早期版本有内存泄漏问题。
>Why do people still run outdated windows?
>为啥还有人跑老掉牙的Windows？
>>109442407
Windows 7 is essentially Vista SP3, the last "good" Windows is 8.1 once you re-enable the old start menu.
Windows 7本质上就是Vista的SP3，最后一个“好”的Windows是8.1，只要你把旧版开始菜单重新打开。
>>109443648
And that's because boomers and Gen xers are still in power :)
那是因为婴儿潮一代和X世代还掌权呢 :)
>>109442389
Yes. File explorer opens when you click it. Loading and scrolling large folders is fast. Calculator doesn't have a loading screen. Many such instances.
没错。资源管理器点击就能打开，加载和滚动大文件夹很快，计算器也没有加载界面。这样的例子多了去了。
>>109444345
Goddamn. We lost something with the later windows releases.
真服了。后来的Windows版本确实丢了点什么。
>>109442389
why not?
为啥不？
>>109444475
That's a good question.
这个问题问得好。
>>109443536
Windows security is an oxymoron.
Windows安全就是个矛盾修饰法。
I never said it was good. XP and 7 haven’t received updates at all in quite some time and have some pretty significant unpatched vulns.
我从没说它好。XP和7已经很久没收到更新了，还有一些相当严重的未修补漏洞。
On 10/11, only israel and other state sponsored hackers can get in, and with xp/7, any script kiddie who’s site you’re retarded enough to visit can get in, plus all the state sponsored hackers. It’s obvious which one is more appealing to normies.
在10/11上，只有以色列和其他国家赞助的黑客能进来；而用XP/7，任何一个脚本小子——只要你蠢到去访问他的网站——就能进来，再加上那些国家赞助的黑客。哪个对普通人更有吸引力，显然一目了然。
>>109443556
How do you know you aren’t owned already?
你怎么知道你现在没被入侵？
>>109443454
How would you check? You got the source code or something? There’s no boot integrity check on older windows so you could be running a rootkit for all you know.
你怎么查？你有源代码还是怎么着？老版本Windows没有启动完整性检查，所以你可能是跑着rootkit自己都不知道。
>>109443300
Triple dubs of truth
三连真理，说得好。
/thread
>>109443113
Aside from the big ones like the graphics stack being ruined. There are all kinds of little annoyances, like how explorer sorts files immediately, so if you create a new file it stuffs it into order, then when you rename it it then moves it again causing it to vanish from view. Various functionality is degraded in subtle ways, everything is just more jank than on 2k/xp. Like for example window focus switching does not work like it used it, in 2k/xp the foreground window had permission to bring another window to the front, but windows 7 sometimes loses track of that permission making SetForegroundWindow not always work when it should. Another thing which annoys me is explorer.exe builds up like crazy, on 2k/xp launching a new explorer when one is already running would cause it to send a message to the existing process and use that to open the new folder window. But on windows 7 it always uses separate process, but it never closes these explorer.exe processes so eventually dozens of dead explorer.exe processes build up.
除了图形栈被毁这种大问题，还有各种小烦扰，比如资源管理器会立即对文件排序，所以你新建文件时它会把文件塞进排序里，然后你重命名时它又移动一次，导致文件从视野中消失。各种功能都在微妙地退步，一切都比2k/xp更卡。比如窗口焦点切换不像以前那样工作了，在2k/xp里前台窗口有权限把另一个窗口带到前面，但Windows 7有时会丢失这个权限，导致SetForegroundWindow该生效时不生效。另一件让我烦的是explorer.exe疯狂堆积，在2k/xp上已经运行一个资源管理器时再启动新的，它会向现有进程发消息，用那个进程打开新文件夹窗口。但在Windows 7上它总是用独立进程，而且从不关闭这些explorer.exe进程，所以最终会堆积几十个死掉的explorer.exe进程。
>>109446021
I see. I always avoided using explorer.exe as a file manager, using far manager instead, because explorer was always garbage. funny to know it got more garbage.
明白了。我一直不用explorer.exe当文件管理器，改用far manager，因为资源管理器一直是垃圾。知道它变得更垃圾了还挺有趣的。
thought you would bring up audiodg.exe with non-negotiable built-in DRM that wastes resources and taskbar highlights getting stuck (unstuck with shift+rightclick).
我还以为你会提audiodg.exe，内置不可协商的DRM浪费资源，还有任务栏高亮卡住的问题（用shift+右键解除）。
but there were two important fixes from xp era: no more runaway system time if some stupid program keeps changing timer resolution every second or more often (timeBeginPeriod), and no HDD thrashing if two processes simultaneously write something large.
但XP时代有两个重要修复：如果某个蠢程序每秒或更频繁地改计时器分辨率（timeBeginPeriod），系统时间不再失控；还有两个进程同时写大量数据时不再疯狂读写硬盘。
>>109447517
> explorer was always garbage
> 资源管理器一直是垃圾
explorer pre-vista was highly capable. Its within the top-5% of all file managers ever created at least.
Vist之前的资源管理器相当强大，至少能排进有史以来所有文件管理器前5%。
>>109442389
I built 2 x Windows XP machines and 1 Windows 98 machine and considering building a Win95/DOS machine. I treat them the same way I treat a modded PS3, Xbox360 etc.
我装了2台Windows XP机器和1台Windows 98机器，现在正考虑搞台Win95/DOS的。我对它们就跟对待改装的PS3、Xbox360一样。
There are awesome games & applications to run. Instead of Wikipedia, you can still run Encyclopedia Britannica before all the woke shit entered everyday life
上面能跑超棒的游戏和应用。不用维基百科的话，你还能跑大英百科全书，那时候还没那么多政治正确的东西混进日常生活。
>>109447751
don't make me laugh, it never came close to two-panel file managers.
别逗我笑了，它跟双栏文件管理器比起来差远了。
since vista they let you open cmd at current directory.
自从vista开始，他们才让你能在当前目录打开cmd。
>>109443128
>switched from windows 7 to arch malware
>从windows 7转到了arch这个恶意软件
kek
>>109447944
in your dreams maybe. I don't use aur.
做梦去吧。我才不用aur。
>>109447944
>>109447957
I hate that this image is 93 KB PNG.
我恨这张图居然是93 KB的PNG。
>>109442389
Let me introduce you to the concept of a solved problem.
让我给你介绍一下“已解决问题”这个概念。
Have you felt the need to get rid of all your chairs purely because they were made more than a year ago? How about the cutlery in your kitchen? Software can be the same. If it works, DON'T FUCK WITH IT.
你会因为椅子造了一年多就想全扔了吗？厨房里的餐具呢？软件也一样。能用就别他妈乱动。
>>109444102
>last "good" Windows is 8-
>最后一款“好”Windows是8以下
no.
>>109448628
surely they do not just write retract at cmd
他们总不能就在cmd里写个retract吧
>>109442389
if your tism brain can't tolerate modern windows but you got train or comic book tism not electronics tism, this seems to be what they do.
如果你那张自闭症脑袋受不了现代Windows，但你是火车或漫画那种自闭，不是电子那种，那看起来就会这么干。
>>109442389
It's because they're too much of a Linux user to use newer Windows, but they're too much of a proprietary slop eater to use Linux
那是因为他们太Linux用户了不愿意用新版Windows，但又太吃闭源屎了不肯用Linux。
>>109448628
>Windows for Submarines
>Windows潜艇版
real military equipment is as thrown together as my Satisfactory machines
真军用设备其实跟我玩Satisfactory搭的机器一样拼凑。
>>109448628
I was really surprised to find out that most A&H digital mixers use a modified form of XP. I'm glad it lives on
我真的很惊讶地发现大部分A&H数字调音台用的是改版的XP。我很高兴它还在延续。
>>109442389
I still run them, mainly because modern Windows is practically an entirely different OS, with its own fundamentally different design principles. I find Windows 11 to be completely foreign and almost unusable, and Windows 10 to be similarly unpleasant to use.
我还在跑它们，主要是因为现代Windows基本上是个完全不同的操作系统，有着根本不同的设计理念。我觉得Windows 11完全陌生、几乎没法用，Windows 10也是一样难用。
I think Windows XP is what an operating system should. It sucks that most modern software is incompatible with it, but I can use old software for most tasks. The only up to date software I need is a web browser and YT-DLP, both of which exist for XP. Windows 7 is still largely compatible with new programs when paired with VxKex, so I use it in place of a modern Windows or Linux install. XP has a similar program called OneCore API, but it has issues and introduces a lot of bugs and compatibility problems.
我觉得Windows XP才是操作系统该有的样子。遗憾的是大多数现代软件不兼容它，但大多数任务我能用老软件搞定。我唯一需要保持最新的就是浏览器和YT-DLP，这两样XP上都有。Windows 7配VxKex的话还是能兼容不少新程序，所以我拿它替代现代Windows或Linux安装。XP有个类似的程序叫OneCore API，但问题不少，会带来一堆bug和兼容性问题。
>>109443221
Most computer security is done by the router and has been for 20 years. Just keep your router secure and you have nothing to worry about.
大部分电脑安全其实是路由器在做，这都20年了。把路由器守好就啥也不用担心。
>>109443438
name one
举一个例子
>>109442389
>Is Windows XP and Windows 7 that good??
>XP和Win7就那么神？？
no, but people on the internet is that retarded
没有，但网上的人就是这么脑残
>>109444767
You could say the same for Windows 11
Windows 11也能这么说
>>109450176
There's also people with electronic tism who's tism dislikes linux and modern windows.
还有电子自闭的患者，他们的自闭既讨厌Linux也讨厌现代Windows。
>>109442389
They are just fine to run on a virtual machine
它们在虚拟机上跑完全没问题
>>109444751
>Windows security is an oxymoron.
>Windows安全就是个矛盾词。
Bold to assume Windows ever had security, let alone its predecesor MS-DOS.
敢假设Windows有过安全也是大胆，更别说它的前身MS-DOS了。
People NEED to understand MS-DOS was the reason the bloatware known as Windows exists today. With ALL of its vulnerabilities carried over since 1980.
人们必须明白，MS-DOS 才是今天被称为Windows的臃肿软件存在的根源，它从1980年起就带着所有漏洞一路传承至今。
This is why Linux and Unix have been the master races across the whole solar system.
这就是为什么Linux和Unix在整个太阳系里都是主宰种族。
>>109450385
They have to be retarded to keep using old shit, and it's not like their reasoning is valid, but if you like old Windows because it's light, use Linux, if you like old Windows because it stayed out of your way, use Linux, but don't be a goofy ass mf using an old OS that isn't supported by any new hardware, just to avoid using newer Windows, meanwhile getting no mainstream proprietary software and games support... Like a Linux user.
他们继续用那些老掉牙的东西，脑子肯定有问题，而且他们的理由根本不成立。但如果你喜欢旧版Windows是因为它轻巧，用Linux；如果你喜欢旧版Windows是因为它不碍事，也用Linux。但别像个蠢货一样，为了躲开新版Windows，硬要用一个没有任何新硬件支持的旧系统，结果主流专有软件和游戏一个都跑不了……跟Linux用户似的。
>>109450463
DOS absolutely mogged Linux for home use. There was no reason to have security on a single task home computer with no networking capability.
DOS在家庭用途上绝对碾压Linux。单任务、无网络的家庭电脑根本没必要搞什么安全机制。
>>109450546
>and it's not like their reasoning is valid
>而且他们的理由根本不成立
reasoning isn't valid**
理由根本不成立
>>109450546
But I hate UNIX and POSIX
但我讨厌UNIX和POSIX
It's curious to see how many threads are made, and remade, about how you shouldn't use old computers, collect physical media, play old games, run old OS's and keep them all in ship shape, there is a thread about this up in /g/, /tv/, and even /pol/ nearly all the time these days. AI companies are shredding all the books and music and viddeos.
有意思的是，现在几乎天天都能在 /g/、/tv/ 甚至 /pol/ 版看到各种翻来覆去的帖子，劝你别用旧电脑、别收藏实体媒介、别玩老游戏、别跑旧系统、别把它们保养得整整齐齐。AI公司正在把书、音乐和视频全都粉碎掉。
Is it really that important to eradicate all cultural physical relics? Isn't it a bit evil? Couching owning things as outdated seems to be one of those 'you'll own nothing and be happy' ploys, and I won't stand for it.
灭绝所有文化实体遗物就那么重要吗？这不是有点邪恶吗？把拥有东西说成过时，就是那种“你啥也拥有不了，但你会很开心”的阴谋，我绝不接受。
>>109443544
...XP had a 64-bit version, you fucking moron.
……XP有64位版本，你个白痴。
>>109450562
Are you writing programs? If not there's nothing to really care about one way or the other. Maybe you're using an old Windows to develop software for that particular platform, that's a valid reason. But hating the OS which you don't even really have to interact with other than trivially through the UI? That's for babies, you shouldn't care too much either way.
你在写程序吗？没有的话，这事儿根本无所谓。也许你用旧版Windows是为了给那个特定平台开发软件，那算正当理由。但就因为UI那点皮毛交互就恨一个系统？那是小孩才干的事，两边你都不该太在意。
>>109448406
I know what I'm looking at, but I'm missing your point.
我知道我在看什么，但我不懂你的点在哪。
>>109450550
>DOS absolutely mogged Linux for home use. There was no reason to have security on a single task home computer with no networking capability.
>DOS在家庭用途上绝对碾压Linux。单任务、无网络的家庭电脑根本没必要搞什么安全机制。
While being so vulnerable several computers shipped with it already infected.
结果它脆弱到出厂就带病毒的机器一大堆。
>mogged Linux
>碾压Linux
kek, nice argument Microshill. Michelangelo and Stoned sound familiar to you?
哈哈，说得真棒啊，微软狗。Michelangelo和Stoned这两个病毒你听着熟不熟？
XP or 2000 for a VM?
虚拟机里用XP还是2000？
I dislike that XP has enshittified the UI. Yes, even with the Classic theme, the start menu and control panel are a mess to look at.
我不喜欢XP把UI搞烂了。就算用了经典主题，开始菜单和控制面板还是乱得没法看。
But XP has better support for 3d acceleration in VMWare (even if you have to degrade to version 17 or so, I think?) and generally more software available for it without shitty closed-source kernel extensions.
但XP在VMWare里对3D加速支持更好（虽然好像得降到17版左右？），而且能跑的软件普遍更多，不用碰那些烂闭源内核扩展。
>>109450585
>I must use an unsupported OS as my daily and jank it online to preserve things because VMs for running old software don't exist and emulation of video games which actually preserves them forever doesn't exist
>我必须拿不支持的旧系统当日常用，还得联网折腾它来保存东西，因为跑老软件的虚拟机不存在，而且能永久保存游戏的模拟器也不存在
I really don't get why any one would still use windows 7. Software compatibility is declining rapidly. Its insecure. lacks support for modern hardware. Lacks useful new features. You're better of switching to a GNU/Linux distro with KDE. Works pretty much the same but with more working software, better security, and better hardware compatibility.
我真搞不懂为啥还有人用 Windows 7。软件兼容性越来越差，不安全，不支持现代硬件，还缺实用新功能。不如换 GNU/Linux 发行版配 KDE，用起来差不多，但能跑的软件更多、安全性更好、硬件兼容性也更强。
>>109442389
Is this your idea of a clever ploy to get some retards on your botnet, Olga? Why don't you go die in the SMO already?
奥尔加，你这是想耍小聪明拉几个傻子上你的僵尸网络吗？你怎么不去 SMO 里送死？
>>109450680
What does Super Mario Odyssey have anything to do with XP?
超级马里奥奥德赛跟 XP 有啥关系？
>>109450609
>Are you writing programs?
>你在写程序吗？
yes
>s? If not there's nothing to really care about one way or the other
>？不是的话，反正没啥好纠结的
No, there is. I hate the file structure on linux, I hate how everything is so ass backwards because of "security concerns", I hate how everything is designed like I'm running a server in a datacenter, instead of a home PC that needs to operate offline and swap drives regularly.
不，有。我讨厌 Linux 的文件结构，讨厌啥都为了“安全问题”搞得反人类，讨厌一切设计得像我是数据中心里的服务器，而不是一台需要离线运行、经常换硬盘的家用电脑。
The only way to get rid of those things is to abandon the UNIX philosophy and POSIX compatibility. So I hate UNIX and POSIX. I want an OS that tries its hardest to operate like I have a single user, non-network capable CP/M machine from 1978, because that is how home computers should operate. Everything being fullt portable executables, no package managers, no registry, no root folder, everything arranged by what drive it on.
要摆脱这些唯一办法是抛弃 UNIX 哲学和 POSIX 兼容性。所以我恨 UNIX 和 POSIX。我要的是那种拼了命按 1978 年单用户、无网络的 CP/M 机器来运作的系统，因为家用电脑就该这样。全是可移植可执行文件，没包管理器，没注册表，没根目录，一切按硬盘分区来排。
The only people who see no difference are people use their OS exclusively as a bootloader for Chrome and Steam.
觉得没区别的就只有那些把系统纯粹当 Chrome 和 Steam 启动器用的人。
>>109450585
>AI companies are shredding all the books and music and viddeos.
>AI 公司正在把书、音乐和视频全毁了。
Hoarders finally have a reason to keep piling up their collection.
囤积狂终于有理由继续堆他们的藏品了。
>>109450679
I don't get them either Anon, not only is Linux easier to use than Windows at this point, but the lack of hardware support is brutal, technology as evolved so fucking much with getting faster and using less energy it's hilarious, I have a Coffee Lake computer that's too new to install 7, but even that thing is getting smoked by 15 watt laptops, yet people will still fuck around with Windows 7 and get not only no support, but a slower, more inefficient experience.
我也不懂他们，Anon，现在 Linux 不光比 Windows 好用，Windows 7 缺硬件支持简直要命，技术进化得飞快，又快又省电，搞笑的是我有一台 Coffee Lake 的电脑，装不了 7，就这玩意儿还被 15 瓦的笔记本吊打，可还有人非得折腾 Windows 7，不仅没支持，体验还更慢更低效。
>>109450634
>While being so vulnerable several computers shipped with it already infected.
>而且脆弱到不少出厂电脑就自带病毒感染。
First of all, source? Second of all, that's a manufacturing problem. There's nothing any OS can do if the manufacturer is malicious. Third of all, what harm can an infected home PC with no networking cause in 1985? There's no bitcoin to transfer money over, not network to get things remotely accessed over. Not even any internal storage to get encrypted by ransomware.
首先，来源呢？其次，那是制造环节的问题，厂商要恶意的话任何系统都没辙。第三，1985 年一台没网络的感染家用电脑能造成啥危害？没有比特币转账，没有远程访问的通道，连能加密的内置存储都没有。
>mogged Linux
>碾压Linux
Meant to say UNIX, which it did. As did CP/M before it. UNIX is only good for mainframes. Anything else is a hack trying to shoehorn it into acting like a home OS
我本来想说 UNIX，确实如此，CP/M 之前也是这样。UNIX 只适合大型机，用在别处就是硬塞进家用系统里的歪门邪道。
>>109450679
KDE is ugly and I don't like the UNIX-ness of LInux.
KDE 丑得要命，我还烦 Linux 那股 UNIX 味儿。
>>109450720
What would I need more than my Haswell i5 for? And why would I want the horrible ergos of a post 2010 laptop?
我的 Haswell i5 不够用吗？而且我为啥要忍受 2010 年后笔记本那糟糕的人体工学？
>>109450758
Newer technology isn't a meme Anon, I used to be the same way pre 2023 with my Windows 7, "ahh I don't need that, a 32nm chip is fine, ahh a sata ssd is fine" and then you use a desktop or a laptop with a newer CPU and NVME SSD with either Windows or Linux, and it's like holy shit this is unbelievably faster, and it's using less enery, and a newer laptop is thinner than the Windows era because you're not lugging around a DVD drive that people aren't using and the screen is better, I'm just saying Anon, technology hasn't been on its ass for a long time now.
新技术可不是个玩笑话，老兄，2023年前我也跟你一样守着我的Windows 7，“哎呀，我不需要那个，32nm芯片够用了，哎呀，SATA固态够了”，结果你一旦用上装新CPU和NVME固态的台式机或笔记本，不管跑Windows还是Linux，那感觉就是卧槽这快得离谱，还更省电，新笔记本也比Windows时代薄多了，因为不用拖着没人用的光驱到处跑，屏幕也更好，我就直说了，老兄，技术早就不是原地踏步了。
>>109450720
>I have a Coffee Lake computer that's too new to install 7
>我有一台Coffee Lake的电脑，太新了装不了7
>released 2017-2018
>2017-2018年发布的
Skill issue. Zen 3 released 2020.
技术问题。Zen 3是2020年发布的。
>>109450810
I mean without any fuckery Anon, obviously you can jank old build 7600 onto a new enough Intel computer that has E cores or whatever that crap is, but that doesn't make it ideal.
我的意思是，不搞那些乱七八糟的，老兄，显然你可以硬把旧版7600塞到带E核或那类玩意的新英特尔电脑上，但那也不理想。
>>109450817
It is ideally fast enough to me. All my older programs are still as snappy or even snappier than before. For newer software I just boot to linux.
对我来说它速度足够理想了。我所有老程序还是那么流畅，甚至比以前更快。新软件我就直接启动Linux。
>>109450837
>For newer software I just boot to linux.
>新软件我就直接启动Linux
Umm... based?
嗯……有点牛？
>>109450805
I hate thinshit. Actually fucking hate it, and hate you for thinking its good. Its your fault we haven't had a good laptop since 2010. And I hate you faggots for killing portable DVD drives.
我恨这破玩意儿。真他妈恨透了，也恨你觉得它好。就是因为你们，2010年后我们就没好笔记本用了。我还恨你们这些家伙把便携光驱给整没了。
> I used to be the same way pre 2023 with my Windows 7
>2023年前我也跟你一样守着我的Windows 7
No you didn't, you're just making shit up so you can concern troll.
你没有，你就是在瞎编好来装模作样引战。
>>109450848
I'm not making shit up Anon, I literally used an FX-8350 from 2014 all the way to late 2023 just so I could hang onto Windows 7, Ryzen came and I didn't get it, everyone core count went up, their power usage went down, SSDs throughput went from 550 MB/s to way over an entire gigabyte (or multiple) transferring in a second, and my old ass computer stayed the same, because I was being stupid thinking I was gaining something by using an old OS for no reason when I could've switched to Linux or any newer OS years earlier and benefited from newer technology.
我没瞎编，老兄，我从2014年到2023年底真的用着一台FX-8350，就为了死守Windows 7，Ryzen出来了我也没买，大家核心数涨了，功耗降了，固态吞吐从550 MB/s飙到一秒传好几个G，而我那台老机器原地不动，因为我当时犯傻，觉得自己待旧系统能捞到什么好处，其实早点换Linux或任何新系统，早就吃上新技术红利了。
There are systems still running on DOS and XP is the last version of windows with support for the old networking protocols
还有系统在跑DOS，XP是最后一个支持老网络协议的Windows版本
>>109450921
You just didn't look around properly.
你只是没好好找而已。
https://winraid.level1techs.com/c/operating-systems/windows-7-vista-server-2008/35/none
>>109451023
I'm good Anon, Windows 7 can live in a VM in my OS that doesn't need any bullshit to make run on a brand new computer from the store If I so happen to stumble into one, it just werks, isn't that the reason why we chose Windows 7 initially over Linux back in the day? Well now it doesn't "just werk", it is no longer practical to be a Windows 7 user anymore, and that's the problem, it's turning into a Linux distro from back in the day or a hackintosh where you're on forums trying to make basic shit work because it's effectively a hack at the end of the day and nothing's guaranteed to work swimmingly.
我没事，老兄，Windows 7可以活在我系统的虚拟机里，不需要任何折腾就能在新买的电脑上跑，万一碰到新机器，它就能直接用，这不就是当年我们选Windows 7而不是Linux的原因吗？现在它不能“直接用”了，当Windows 7用户已经不现实了，问题就在这儿，它快变成当年那种Linux发行版或黑苹果了，你得泡在论坛里想办法让基础功能跑起来，因为归根到底它就是个破解玩意，啥都不能保证顺顺利利。
>>109451054
>it's turning into a Linux distro from back in the day or a hackintosh
>它快变成当年那种Linux发行版或黑苹果了
No, it's just turning into the XP hobbyist community. XP is alive and well, just not on corporate or normalfag radar.
不，它只是变成了XP那种爱好者社区。XP还活得好好的，只是不在企业或普通人视野里罢了。
>>109450921
I don't believe you. You talk like a concern troll.
我不信你。你说话就像个带节奏的假关心。
That aside, I have no use that speed. Meanwhile I care very much about how my OS works. I hate UNIX and will always hate it. It is unpleasant to interact with. Unless you know of a distro with no HFS, root folder, package managers, permissions managing, or software repositories, and an exhaustive collection of software modified to run without throwing permissions errors on such a distro, I will not use Linux as my main OS.
话说回来，我对速度没需求。但我很在乎系统怎么运作。我恨UNIX，永远都恨。用它交互体验太恶心了。除非你给找个发行版，没有层级文件系统、没有根目录、没有包管理器、没有权限管理、没有软件仓库，还带全套不用抛权限错误的软件，否则我不会拿Linux当主力系统。
To give you an idea of how little I value power or speed, I am currently replying to you from a Pentium 4 machine with a mechanical hard drive. I'll take an eternity of that over an afternoon of the burning hatred I feel when forced to use Linux.
给你个参考，我多不在乎性能或速度——我现在正用一台奔腾4加机械硬盘回你帖。我宁可永远这么慢，也不要被迫用Linux哪怕一个下午，那种怒火烧心我受不了。
>>109451082
You do you, Anon.
你自便吧，匿名哥。
>>109451054
Nta, but I use Windows 7 because it works the way I like. Linux does not do that. It still barely works, and breaks frequently whenever I try to use it (as in completely bricked, reinstall the whole OS bricked) but I could tolerate that if it at least was arranged how I like. But its not, so I don't want to use it.
不是楼主，但我用Windows 7，因为它用着合我意。Linux做不到。它还是勉强能用，每次我一折腾就经常崩（就是彻底变砖、重装整个系统那种崩），但如果它布局合我意，我还能忍。可它不合，所以我不想用。
>>109451100
The closest thing I've found to what I want is Slax. It does everything as root all the time, doesn't even include SU or SUDO. I like that. What I didn't like was how it was missing most of the libraries and utilities needed to make linux usable, how it was still dependent on downloading software from an online repository, and how half of the Linux software I used on it pitched a fit about not being run with restricted permissions. Windows software doesn't bother me about secutiy if I want to be unsafe.
我找到最接近我想要的是Slax。它全程以root身份跑，连SU或SUDO都不带。我喜欢这点。我不喜欢的是它缺了一堆让Linux能用的库和工具，还是得从在线仓库下软件，还有我在上面用的Linux软件一半都因为没跑在受限权限下而闹脾气。Windows软件不会因为我想要不安全就跟我唠叨安全问题。
Oh and it still had the awful Linux HFS.
哦对了，它还是有那该死的Linux层级文件系统。
>>109451104
You can't expect linux to work like windows. It has a different design philosophy from windows so never put your expectations of it being the same or similar to windows to be enough of a windows replacement. It can be windows-like, but it is not windows. The fact that everything is a file in linux makes it so modular it will give you a crisis of choice. It's also so bleeding-edge, so in-the-moment, that it will have bugs and it will have problems and resembles more of a fine sketch than an oil painting, but that's the price to pay for a system that multiple corporations are cooperating on, with Valve being the most visible among gamers. In any case, stick with what you're comfortable with or grow comfortable with, find mental peace of mind.
你不能指望Linux像Windows一样。它的设计哲学跟Windows不同，别老抱着它该跟Windows一样或类似的期待，觉得它能当Windows的替代品。它可以做得很像Windows，但它不是Windows。Linux里一切都是文件，这让它模块化到能让你选择困难。它也太前沿、太紧跟当下，所以有bug、有问题很正常，更像一幅草稿而非油画，但这是多家公司合作搞一个系统的代价，玩家圈里最显眼的就是Valve。总之，守住你用得顺手的，或者慢慢习惯的，找个心安吧。
>>109450546
What if i like old windows because they look nice?
那如果我就是喜欢老Windows，因为好看呢？
>>109450673
Some games don't emulate or play properly in a VM, Frontier: First Encouters for instance. You absolutely need a period MS-DOS PC and a decent video card.
有些游戏在虚拟机里跑不好或模拟不了，比如《Frontier: First Encouters》。你必须得有一台当年的MS-DOS电脑加一块像样的显卡。
>>109451522
Linux has DOSbox Anon, it'll emulate period sound and graphics for ancient ass shit from the dark ages
Linux有DOSbox啊匿名哥，它能模拟那个黑暗年代老古董的音效和画面。
>>109451249
>You can't expect linux to work like windows. It has a different design philosophy
>你不能指望Linux像Windows一样。它有不同设计哲学
>stick with what you're comfortable wit
>守住你用得顺手的
and that's why I still use 7 and XP
所以我还在用7和XP。
>>109451556
Nta, but DOSbox still doesn't have perfect emulation, and it doesn't emulate every old hardware configuration. If you want to emulate some old obscure 3d API (S3D for example) or some specific old sound hardware, then original hardware may be the only option.
不是挑刺，但DOSbox的模拟还是不算完美，而且也不是所有老硬件配置都能模拟。你要是想模拟某个冷门的3D API（比如S3D）或者某个特定的老声卡硬件，那可能真就得上原版硬件了。
>>109451556
You think I haven't tried that? It's one of quite a few games that won't run properly in Dosbox, -X, or -staging.
你以为我没试过？有不少游戏在Dosbox、-X或者-staging里就是跑不顺，这只是其中之一。
>>109443114
Spoken like someone who never used linux.
这话一听就是没用过Linux的人说的。
>>109451885
ok, just for you, I tested and it works here on dosbox-staging 0.82.2 just fine.
行，就为了你我专门测了，在dosbox-staging 0.82.2上跑得好好的。
>>109452138
It won't properly run, go ahead and try to play it, audio and video both choppy as hell no matter the hardware.
它跑不动的，你去试试就知道了，不管什么配置，音频和视频都卡成狗。
>>109452145
no, my audio and video are both well. maybe you didn't configure your dosbox properly or your os is bad/misconfigured.
不会啊，我这边音视频都很流畅。可能是你dosbox没配置好，或者你的系统太烂/配置有问题。
>>109444767
you can run a second clone drive (offline) and/ or use backup software to compare file changes. as well as logging tools like sysmon
你可以再挂一个克隆盘（离线），或者用备份软件比对文件变化，再加点像Sysmon那样的日志工具。
>>109452201
Nah, Elite 2 works great, FFE isn't that much more intensive. I have a perfectly good old computer to run it on anyway.
别闹，Elite 2跑得很溜，FFE也没多吃资源。再说了我手里正好有台老电脑专门跑它。
>>109451503
I wish we could still make nice looking UIs. I tried to ship a TK based GUI with the default rectlinear faux 3d look and my boss said no because the users would think it's a regression even though it's way faster than the software it replaces that has a material UI with rounded buttons.
真希望现在还能做出好看的UI。我之前想用TK做个带默认那种直角伪3D风格的GUI，结果老板直接否了，说用户会觉得是倒退，虽然它比我替换掉的那个带圆角按钮的Material UI软件快多了。
>>109453365
why didn't you make it look os-native with an option to change to a different theme?
那你为什么不搞成系统原生外观，再留个换主题的选项呢？
>>109451503
good news, wine lets you use windows xp msstyles
好消息，Wine可以让你用Windows XP的msstyles主题。
>>109453430
I use gnome
我用的是GNOME。
>>109443114
You have to tinkertroon so much on Windows 7 to make most things work that you might as well be using a windows flavored Linux distro.
在Windows 7上你得折腾多少东西才能把基本功能弄好，折腾到干脆用个带Windows味的Linux发行版算了。 ┒ 哈哈还真是，Windows 7党在那堆冷门论坛里为了跑基本功能在那儿装驱动的架势，就跟当年玩黑苹果装Mac OS X到PC上的那帮人似的，反观Linux Mint，U盘一插就完事儿了。
>>109453582
Kek it's true, the way Windows 7 retards talk about loading the drivers to make basic shit work on these obscure as fuck forums sounds like how people talked when doing hack shit like installing Mac OS X on a PC back in the day, meanwhile Linux Mint you just put the USB in and go.
哈哈，这倒是真的。那些Windows 7脑残粉在犄角旮旯的论坛上，聊着怎么加载驱动才能让基本功能跑起来，那口气跟当年折腾黑苹果（在PC上装Mac OS X）的人一模一样。反观Linux Mint，插上U盘就能直接用。
>>109453582
>>109453627
It's really no bother at all, and Windows 10 and 11 are trash so what's the harm in trying?
真的一点不麻烦，而且Windows 10和11本来就垃圾，试试又有什么损失？
>>109453565
my condolences
节哀。
>>109453627
Unless your hardware's not supported by the Linux kernel, then you can get fucked. Like what happened with me a few months ago when I tried Linux Mint. No Wifi drivers.
除非你的硬件内核不支持，那你就完了。就像我几个月前试Linux Mint，直接没无线网卡驱动。
>>109453647
If Windows 10 and 11 are trash, you need to get the fuck away from Windows, because it's Microsoft that did this to you.
要是你觉得Windows 10和11垃圾，那你该离Windows远远的，把你搞成这样的是微软。
>>109447751
[spoiler]It was a better time[/spoiler]
[spoiler]那是个更好的时代[/spoiler]
>>109453699
>If Windows 10 and 11 are trash
>要是你觉得Windows 10和11垃圾
They are.
确实垃圾。
>you need to get the fuck away from Windows
>那你该离Windows远远的
I haven't used Windows since the 1990s except for a few programs. I have kept a VM around of Windows 98 and another of XP because I have a hobby that I need old software to support. But other than to run certain equipment and software I do not use them at all.
我从90年代起就没再用过Windows，除了几个特定程序。我留了个Windows 98的虚拟机还有个XP的，因为我有个爱好需要老软件支持。但除了跑某些设备和软件，我根本不用它们。
>>109443556
You back up your files when you reinstall, right? What if the virus has infected some of those? Also, UEFI kits exist.
你重装的时候会备份文件吧？那要是病毒已经感染了一部分备份呢？再说还有UEFI级别的攻击工具呢。
>>109443787
>mixed core types
>混合核心类型
You aren't reasonably going to be doing anything on XP that benefits much from this. Either run it on something from just before they started doing this, or limit it to the big cores only.
你不太可能真的在XP上做点什么事能从这玩意儿里占到多少便宜。要么用他们开始搞这套之前的老硬件跑，要么就只限制在大核心上。
>SSD
It works fine with this, just make sure it's not set to defrag on a schedule, and periodically run something to TRIM unused sectors.
配这个用没问题，就是别设成定时碎片整理，然后定期跑个东西清理一下未使用扇区。
>ipv6
XP does this, you just have to add the protocol to the adapter.
XP本身就能干这个，你只需要给适配器加上协议就行。
>UEFI
Just works if your UEFI has CSM. If it doesn't, add CSMWrap and it just works.
如果你的UEFI带CSM，那就直接能用。没有的话，加个CSMWrap照样能用。
>TPM
Use case? If you need FDE, use Veracrypt and it'll be more secure than Bitlocker with TPM.
使用场景呢？要是你需要全盘加密，用VeraCrypt比带TPM的BitLocker更安全。
>USB 4
Fair point. Though most of the stuff you need that kind of speed for is connecting things like GPUs or NVMe's that should be inside your PC if you have a desktop.
说得在理。不过你用到那种速度的东西多半是GPU或NVMe这类，要是台式机，本来就该插在机箱里。
>>109443976
If you fall for this shit, or feel compelled to use 7 or older as your daily driver, you are a fucking mark and you deserve everything that's coming to you.
你要是信了这套鬼话，或者觉得拿7或者更老的系统当日常主力机很爽，那你就是个彻头彻尾的冤大头，活该倒霉。
>>109452252
Surely all the zoomies who feel for the EOL windows meme are smart enough to do this
那些被Windows EOL梗忽悠住的年轻人总该聪明到会搞这个吧
>>109450390
No, you can’t. Windows 10+ uses secure boot with a TPM, verifying boot integrity. It’s one of the many reasons that it’s objectively retarded to use EOL windows as an internet connected daily driver. Fuck windows in general but 10+ is objectively more secure.
不，你做不到。Windows 10以上用安全启动加TPM，验证启动完整性。这也是为什么拿EOL系统当联网主力机在客观上是脑残行为的众多原因之一。Windows整体让人无语，但10以上在客观上确实更安全。
>>109443504
windows eleven has builtin .7z (maybe rar) decompressor
Windows 11 内置了 .7z（可能还有 rar）解压功能。
>>109450562
i just seen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
>>109450378
Over the past 8 years there have been over 1,500 vulns discovered in windows 7 with an average severity score of 7.5. You’re welcome to dig up the CVEs yourself retard. If you use it as a daily driver glhf I guess.
过去8年里Windows 7被发现超过1500个漏洞，平均严重程度评分7.5。你自己去翻CVE条目吧，傻逼。要是你拿它当日常主力机，那祝你好运。
>>109454647
People still uxing XP are shit skinned- AACKKKKK!!!
还在用XP的都是皮糙肉厚——啊！！！！
>>109442389
sovl
>>109454710
the burden of proof is on you. If you can't post one zero click rce then you've got nothing.
举证责任在你。你要是能发一个零点击RCE出来，那才算你有货。
>>109455402
>can’t even into google
>连谷歌都不会用
I’m not your search engine faggot. Look it up yourself or use it, I don’t care cause your device isn’t on my LAN.
我不是你的搜索引擎，死基佬。自己查去，或者爱用不用，我才不在乎，反正你的设备又不在我的局域网里。
>>109455443
>just google it bro
>去谷歌搜一下就完事了老哥
concession accepted
认输了，接受现实
>>109455402
>where’s your source that it’s end of life?
>你说它生命周期的来源在哪？
>can you actually prove that it’s insecure??
>你能真证明它不安全吗？？
>no, I need an authoritative source to prove that this OS that hasn’t received security updates in nearly 2 decades is actually owned.
>不，我得要一个权威来源来证明这个快二十年没收到安全更新的系统确实已经被搞穿了。
>hack me right now then if you’re so sure it’s hackable!
>那现在就黑我啊，要是你这么肯定它能被黑！
>hah, you can’t, can you?
>哈哈，你没法了吧？
>I knew it, it’s still secure after all
>我就知道，它果然还是安全的
>>109454504
7 King here. Nothing ever happens and you won't do shit.
7王在此。啥事都不会发生，你屁也干不成。
>>109442712
7 had a ton of quality of life improvements over XP, we don't talk about vista...
7比XP的体验改进了一大截，Vista咱就不提了……
XP just felt like the first "this is what an OS is supposed to look/feel like." some people called it the fischer price OS because the colors were bright and the ui more round and smooth.
XP的感觉就像第一个“这就是操作系统该有的样子/体验"——有人管它叫费雪牌操作系统，因为颜色鲜艳，界面更圆润顺滑。
understandably 95 and 98 were low res, ugly and rigid and even with decent specs, quite slow and sometimes unintuitive for troubleshooting.
可以理解，95和98分辨率低、丑、生硬，就算配置不错也挺慢，有时候排障还特别反直觉。
win7 is good because it makes the autists seethe
Win7好用，因为它能让那群自闭症患者气到跳脚
these people actually get angry if they learn you use win7
这帮人要是知道你在用Win7，真能气疯
>>109455522
goalposts
>>109442389
Retro gayming and old hardware
复古游戏和老硬件
>>109455562
>understandably 95 and 98 were low res, ugly and rigid and even with decent specs, quite slow and sometimes unintuitive for troubleshooting.
>可以理解，95和98分辨率低、界面丑又死板，就算配置不错也卡得不行，排查问题还不直观
I guess we're back to those systems but with NT 4.0 autism
看来我们又回到那个时代了，不过是带NT 4.0自闭味的
>>109455522
nta but if there's no zero-clicks, who cares how many vulns there are? i've been running with no anti-virus for 30 years online, only times i've gotten anything i had to nuke an install over were from porn in the kazaa days.
不是针对楼主，但要是没有零点击漏洞，漏洞数量多又怎样？我裸奔上网30年了，唯一一次被迫重装系统还是Kazaa时代看片中的招
>>109448628
>nuclear submarines run on Windows XP
>核潜艇跑的是Windows XP
And here I thought my aircraft were outdated running Vista on the loadmaster computers.
我还以为我们飞机用Vista跑装载计算机已经够落后了
>>109455664
You think that's bad, the land based ICBMs run on DOS and have to load all their software from 8 inch floppies.
你觉得这就离谱？陆基洲际导弹还在跑DOS，所有软件都得从8寸软盘加载
>>109455743
that's not a bad thing.
这不是坏事
it's better than wifi-enabled blutooth auto-hotspot slop.
比那种带Wi-Fi、蓝牙、自动热点的花里胡哨玩意儿强多了
>>109455743
This isn't a bad thing, some zoomer spy won't know what to do with the physical "save as" and will keep looking for a USB port.
这真不是坏事，那些Z世代小特务连物理“另存为”按钮都搞不明白，还得到处找USB口
I will use 7 until the SDD eventually bites the dust. Then I will use Cinnamon.
我会一直用7，直到固态硬盘报废为止。然后转Cinnamon
I'm just not going to upgrade for no reason. Haha.
我就不升级，没理由升。哈哈
>>109455881
SSD*
>>109455881
>I will use 7 until the SDD eventually bites the dust.
>我会一直用7，直到固态硬盘报废为止
You're in luck, SSDs last for a pretty long time. I still have one from 2015 that works.
你有福了，SSD寿命挺长的。我2015年那块还在用
>>109455887
Mine's from about 2016 as well, yes. Eventually it will fail though, so better have a contingency plan.
我那块大概也是2016年的，没错。不过总归会坏，还是得有备用方案
>>109455898
>so better have a contingency plan.
>还是得有备用方案
Nothing's stopping you from installing it on another SSD and plugging it back into your existing PC.
又没人拦你装到另一块SSD上插回现在这台机器
>>109455770
Spoken like a true retard who has never used a floppy disk in their life.
说得跟个这辈子没用过软盘的真傻逼似的
>>109455956
>you should actually be able to mitm icbms because old tech=bad
>你们应该真能中间人攻击洲际导弹，因为老技术=烂
you probably never even used an apple 2
你可能连Apple II都没玩过吧
>>109455928
Same thing that's stopping me from changing my OS. Laziness.
拦着我不换系统的原因跟这个一样——懒
>>109442389
Because I'm white.
因为我白人
>>109454066
>UEFI kits exist.
>有UEFI攻击套件
NTA but BIOS viruses that predate UEFI also exist.
不是针对楼主，但UEFI之前的BIOS病毒也存在啊
>>109442407
XP is very handy for 16 or 32 bit VM.
XP跑16位或32位虚拟机特别好使
>>109455624
Being a retard and getting away with it only means that you're a lucky retard.
当个傻逼还能全身而退，只能说明你是个运气好的傻逼。
They aren't any better of what we have today, It's the same effect as "Disney Adults", nostalgia is a hell of a drug, they think because it's something they used when life itself was simpler, they associate it with good.
它们不比现在的好到哪去，就跟“迪士尼成年人”一个道理，怀旧就是猛药。他们觉得这是自己生活简单时用过的东西，就把美好联想都套上去了。
>>109442389
Have you ever heard custom written software that runs entire factory or machine? Yeah. That software relies on old dlls and Apis and updating the os would destroy the functionality. And the company who wrote that software got bankrupt most of the time and they can’t recompile the thing for newest version.
你听说过那种跑整个工厂或机器的定制软件吗？有。那软件依赖老dll和API，一升级系统功能就废了。写那软件的公司多半早破产了，也没法重新编译适配新版本。
This is called backward compatibility and it’s needed in real world scenarios. Unlike gahnooo/troonix where mentally ill basement dwellers break userspace with next version of the kernel or what ever.
这叫向后兼容，现实里必须得这样。不像GNU/Linux那帮人，地下室里的精神病人直接拿新版本内核把用户空间搞崩，或者啥乱七八糟的。
>>109442389
Im retarded. Thats all.
我是傻逼，就这样。
>>109442389
W7 is bae
Win7 是我心头好
>>109442389
xp is super fast but extremelly outdated, not in the securitard way but in the compatibility way, win7 is still kinda compatible except with uwp slop, or they force w10 even if the software is perfectly capable to run
XP 是飞快但实在太落后，不是那种安全洁癖式的落后，而是兼容性上的落后；Win7 还算能兼容，除了 UWP 那些垃圾，或者他们非逼你升 Win10，哪怕软件明明跑得好好的
>>109442712
Right
>>109443976
>picrel
lmfao I heard all of those, but some windows users are chads, loving and using their trusty old software to this day, they probably backed up the installer or portable exe.
哈哈这话我都听过，但有些 Windows 用户是真硬核，到现在还爱用他们那套老软件，估计安装包或绿色版 exe 早就备份好了。
>>109461912
Or you know, just don't pirate random garbage and execute random exes from random websites on your old box. 95% of the web is consolidated, you're not getting a random 0 day on majority of the platforms people use and
或者你知道吧，就是别在老机器上乱下垃圾软件瞎点陌生网站上的exe。95%的网页内容都集中在那几个大平台上，你不会在大多数人用的平台上随便碰到个零日漏洞的。
>Oh well you have one, you just can't detect it because it's not doing anything detectable or causing any noteworthy problems for you in any perceivable way and my evidence is my personal assertion based on a reddit post I read
哦好吧，你有一个，你就是检测不到，因为它没在做什么能检测到的事，也没给你带来任何看得见摸得着的麻烦，而我的证据就是我基于一篇reddit帖子的个人断言。
has always been and will always be fallacious as all fuck. More braindead than actually using windows 7 in 2026 which is quite impressive in itself.
这种说法从来就站不住脚，将来也一样，纯属扯淡。比2026年真用Windows 7还脑残，这本身也挺让人佩服的。
>>109449404
Yes, 8.1 is great. Don't confuse it with 8.
没错，8.1挺好的。别把它和8搞混了。
>>109456399
Cloning the SSD or restoring it from a disk/partition image is simple. As long as you don't change the motherboard and/or CPU, you should be fine.
克隆SSD或者从磁盘/分区镜像恢复很简单。只要不换主板和/或CPU，基本就没事。
I'd either save up for an SSD or wait until prices drop (things are started to get ugly for Big DRAM/NAND), and if you happen to have a spare hard drive, back up your SSD as a disk image.
我建议要么攒钱买块SSD，要么等价格降下来（大DRAM/NAND厂商那边已经开始不太妙了），要是你手头有块闲置硬盘，就把SSD整个做成磁盘镜像备份一下。
>>109472460
cba THOUGH
不过我真懒得搞。
>>109448406
win 8.1 was really good. half of the background processes and services as win 10 at the time. was sad when it was EOL
Win 8.1其实挺不错的。当时后台进程和服务只有Win 10的一半。停更的时候挺难过的。
>>109468718
>8.1 was great
>8.1超好
oh fuckoff you contrarian faggot, all they did was pull back on the horrible UI. under the hood it was still dogshit
滚你妈的杠精，他们只是把那破界面收回来了点。底层还是一坨屎。
>>109462500
nothing in this post is windows-specific.
这帖子里没一条是Windows特有的问题。
also the linux kernel doesn't break stuff, the userspace itself has the ABI problems
而且Linux内核不搞破坏，是用户空间那边的ABI有问题。
>>109474386
This
>>109442389
>upgrade from w98 to xp
>从w98升到xp
comfy
>upgrade from xp to 7
>从xp升到7
comfy
>upgrade from 7 to 10
>从7升到10
never liked it, did it only out of necessity (as I though back then)
我一直都不喜欢，只是因为当时觉得有必要才升的。
>upgrade from 10 to 11/12/whatever comes
>从10升到11/12/管它下一个是啥
never gonna happen
永远不会发生。
Basically, people like to return to outdated systems because the new ones are shit. Functionality can be considered but design has been dogshit since Win8, no discussion on this one.
说白了，大家爱回到老系统是因为新系统太烂。功能还能凑合看，但设计从Win8起就是一坨狗屎，这点没得争。
because windows users are stubborn contrarian retards forever stuck in the past
因为Windows用户就是一群死犟的杠精，永远活在过去。
its the same disease boomers suffer from, they simply refuse to learn anything new because the world must evolve around them not the other way around
跟婴儿潮一代一个毛病，他们就是拒绝学新东西，觉得世界得围着他们转，而不是他们去适应世界。
>>109446021
it spins up multiple explorer processes because it would freeze constantly otherwise
它开一堆explorer进程，不然就老冻结。
windows is a disaster, anyone using it for anything for a video games boot loader is a gigantic retard
Windows就是个灾难，用它干任何事除了当游戏启动器的人都是巨型傻逼。
>>109474386
Nobody's being contrarian, Windows 8.1 was more optimised than 7 since Microsoft was trying to make Windows tablets a viable product category, so it had to run on underpowered hardware.
没人杠精，Windows 8.1比7优化得好，因为微软想把Windows平板做成有市场的品类，所以必须在低配硬件上跑得动。
Unlike 10 you could actually use it running from a HDD or eMMC storage without wanting to kill yourself. Windows 10 was a huge downgrade.
不像10，你用HDD或eMMC存储跑它也不会想自杀。Windows 10是巨大的倒退。
It pains me so much because Windows XP meant even more. Back when companies designed their revenue around pleasing white people and helping them. You niggers don't even see the full picture. Microsoft stood for something. Knowledge, wisdom. They created games to educate yourself. Games like Zoo Tycoon that had an entire encyclopedia, where you'd learn about Biomes, Animals and trees and shit. You literally felt the world developping for the greater good.
我特别心痛，因为Windows XP的意义更大。那时候公司设计收入模式是为了取悦白人和帮助他们。你们这些黑鬼根本看不到全貌。微软是有信念的。知识，智慧。他们做游戏来教育人。比如《动物园大亨》，里面有个完整的百科全书，你能学到生物群系、动物、树木啥的。你真的能感受到世界在朝着更美好的方向发展。
It's all gone now.
现在全没了。
>>109476781
this is among the most retarded posts i have ever read on this site
这是我在这站上看过最傻逼的帖子之一。
>>109476985
okay zoom zoom
行吧，嫩瓜蛋子。
>>109476991
havent you any better? yes i am dating a zoomer girl right now, she is hot
你就没更好的话了吗？对，我正跟一个Z世代姑娘约会，她超辣。
>>109476985
No you retard. He's describing what life was like when the peasants (not the leaders) strived for democracy.
不，你傻逼吧。他说的是老百姓（不是领袖）追求民主的那个时代的生活。
Unfortunately by being hypocritically racist against the indians and their fascist country. He gets away further and further from democracy. With realism comes fascism. Whether he realizes or not his trolling works for the indians and his masters. Not against.
可惜他一边虚伪地种族歧视印度人及其法西斯国家，一边离民主越来越远。现实主义的尽头是法西斯。不管他知不知道，他的引战就是在替印度人和他的主子干活，不是在反对他们。
Microsoft will never again build zoo whatever because the us leaders 50 years ago wouldnt have either
微软再也不会搞什么“动物园”了，因为50年前的美国领导人也不会这么干
>>109477060
lmao if this is satire this post is beautiful
哈哈哈，如果这是讽刺，这帖子太绝了
if this is sincere i have some bad news for you
如果这是认真的，那我有点坏消息要告诉你
>>109476641
That is not the reason. It does not consistently spawn multiple processes. It does it inconsistently, and it leaks explorer processes that remain with no windows open. This multi-process explorer is not a feature, its just damage.
这不是原因。它并不是稳定地生成多个进程。它时灵时不灵，还会泄漏explorer进程，留下没有窗口的僵尸进程。这个多进程explorer根本不是功能，纯粹是损伤。
>>109442389
I have a PC phsyical media of pre steam key software and games so have a couple of 'retro' PCs. One is a q8400 with 8GB and a 970 that dual boots ahci, it has XP and Win7, the 970 is the last GPU that will work well in both. It has NAS access and the win 7 has a windows media server on it connected to the NAS as well, which allows Xbox 360s to use it and act as extenders. Both installs have an old version of office installed as well as a laser printer and scanner.
我有Steam key和软件之前的实体介质PC，所以有几台“复古”机器。一台是Q8400配8GB内存加970显卡，双启动AHCI，装XP和Win7，970是最后一块两者都能良好支持的显卡。它能访问NAS，Win7上还跑着一个Windows Media Server连到NAS，让Xbox 360能用它当扩展器。两个系统都装了老版Office，还有激光打印机和扫描仪。
I have another XP machine with a 750Ti and 8GB (4 unused) and a e6500.
我还有另一台XP机器，配750Ti和8GB内存（4GB没用上），加一块E6500。
Both use HP OEM motherboards and cases as I have the OEM ISOs and win XP AND Windows 7 Ultimate activate on them automatically.
两台都用HP OEM主板和机箱，因为我有OEM镜像，XP和Win7旗舰版能自动激活。
The second XP machine is really just there for XP LAN games. Both can use DVDs and CDs that have old DRM and the NAS has all the patches for the retail physical media games.
第二台XP机其实就是为了玩XP局域网游戏。两台都能读带老DRM的DVD和CD，NAS上存着所有实体介质游戏零售版的补丁。
They both have old visual studio and the windows XP or windows7 software development kit and device driver kit. There is a server 2008r2 box on the LAN with SQL 2008.
两台都装了老版Visual Studio和XP或Win7的SDK、DDK。局域网上还有一台Server 2008 R2，跑着SQL 2008。
They are on an offline LAN. The same LAN has three 360s, three PS2s, a blade server, two win10 SFF PCs three NAS a win 10 LLM GPU machine and a Win11 GPU LLM machine as well as a bunch of old laptops with different linux builds.
它们都在一个离线局域网里。同一个网络上还有三台360、三台PS2、一台刀片服务器、两台Win10小机箱PC、三个NAS、一台跑LLM的Win10 GPU机器、一台Win11 GPU LLM机器，外加一堆装着各种Linux发行版的老笔记本。
The games and software for XP and 7 were generally better overall.
XP和7上的游戏和软件整体质量更好。
>>109477612
Oh there is also a dell win 2000 pro box and an another NT4.0 box on that LAN. I think the win 2000 pro box has office, visual studio, the w2kpro sdk and ddk and microsoft flight sim 2000 and flight controllers on it.
哦对了，那个局域网上还有一台戴尔Win 2000 Pro机器和一台NT4.0机器。Win 2000 Pro那台应该装了Office、Visual Studio、W2K Pro的SDK和DDK，还有微软模拟飞行2000和飞行控制器。
>>109477612
>>109477629
ALL of the machines have optical drives BTW. ALL have access to a complete set of kiwikis on the NAS so stuff like wikipedia, stack exchange, guttenberg, pr0n, PDF achives, driver and patches for all the machins disk images, ISOs, couple hundred thousand MP3s, a few hundred movies (I mostly keep video like movies and TV series on physical media)
顺便说，所有机器都有光驱。所有机器都能访问NAS上整套Kiwix离线百科，包括维基百科、Stack Exchange、古腾堡、某站、PDF存档、所有机器的驱动和补丁、磁盘镜像、ISO、几十万首MP3、几百部电影（我大部分视频像电影和剧集都保存在实体介质上）。
>>109476781
You are missing the critical thing all the software for them up to a certain point was installable just using a serial, no online activation, no internet connection needed, most of the games did LAN play, most of the games in many genres were crackers as well, stuff like RTS but also race and FPS and space and flight combat and RPGs. Most of the productivity software like office did everything you could want, the media players worked fine and same for visual studio with SDKs and DDKs. Have modern machines too but I don't like anything that requires an internet connection to function or activate and hate what steam etc did to PCs and I have had a steam account since half life forced it and it has a few hundred games on it. The modern machines have stuff like git and python and LLMs and steam on them but I spend at least as much time on the offline lan and old OSs none of which need a password logon, 2FA, updates or any of that shit they just boot and work, they work with 2x 2TB hdds fine as well so you can leave them with a ton of games and applications set up good to go, no antivirus or other canver needed either.
你漏了最关键的一点——那会儿所有软件装起来只要一个序列号，不用联网激活，也不用连网；大多数游戏能局域网联机，RTS、赛车、FPS、太空和飞行模拟、RPG这些类型的游戏基本都有破解版。办公软件像Office之类的功能齐全，媒体播放器用着顺手，Visual Studio和SDK、DDK也一个样。我也有现代机器，但凡是必须联网才能用或激活的玩意儿我都烦，Steam那套把PC搞成这样我更是恨——我从半条命强制要Steam那会儿就注册了账号，里面躺着几百个游戏。现代机器上装了git、Python、大模型、Steam这些，但我花在离线局域网和老系统上的时间至少一样多——那些系统不用密码登录、不用两步验证、不用更新，开机就能用，配两块2TB硬盘也没问题，装上一大堆游戏和应用就备好待命，连杀毒软件或什么“canver”都不用装。
>>109442389
extreme laziness, autism and unwillingness to adapt to change
纯纯的懒、自闭加拒绝改变
if you're not running some ultra specific industrial software and need it for compatibility, there's obviously no real point
你要是没跑特别专业的工业软件、非得靠老系统兼容，那确实没啥实际意义
>>109477757
Based on your post you know so little about tech that you should just lurk.
看你这发言，你对技术懂得太少，还是先潜水看看吧。
>>109477757
So like copo centric change is always le best huh? Like OS/2? Like Win Vista/8/11? Like software as a service and subscibe? Like endless updating and downloading and authenticating? Like installing fuck knows what as SU from repositories or MSFT? Or garbage like the endless endless slop that is the world of python now? Just git whatever? Do you like and subscibe as well or are you just a single serving telemetry and spyware retard?
所以你觉得换新就是最好的？像OS/2？像Win Vista/8/11？像软件服务化和订阅制？像无穷无尽的更新、下载、验证？像从仓库或微软那儿用SU权限装一堆鬼知道是啥的东西？还是像现在Python世界里那种烂大街的货色？随便git一下拉倒？你也喜欢“点赞订阅”那一套吗，还是你就是个只会传遥测数据、当间谍软件的白痴？
kek US corporations have fucked up so massively in the last five years people would rather use stuff from 15 or 20 years ago than suffer their nonsense.
哈哈，美国公司这五年搞得一塌糊涂，大家宁愿用十五二十年前的东西也不想受他们那堆屁事的气。
>>109477866
>US corporations have fucked up so massively in the last five years
>美国公司这五年搞得一塌糊涂
>>109442389
>Why do people still run outdated windows?
>为啥还有人跑老掉牙的Windows？
Hello zoomer.
你好啊，零零后。
>Is Windows XP ... that good??
>Windows XP真有那么好吗？？
Lets see.
咱来看看。
>Simply works
>就是能用
>Has all of the modern shit like USB
>USB这些现代玩意儿全都有
>Win 10 will literally install into the OS monitor spyware!!! XP never did that!
>Win 10会直接往系统里塞监控间谍软件！！！XP从来没干过！
>XP was the stay back OS
>XP才是坚守的老系统
>NO auto updates
>没有自动更新
>No forced restarts
>没有强制重启
>No spyware(telemetry)
>没有间谍软件（遥测）
>No 50 AI spyware agents in the OS (win 11)
>没有Win 11里那50个AI间谍代理
>still run
>照样能跑
Define still run?
“照样能跑”是啥意思？
I have nostalgia for it and it is great on the computers from its time. I have some old scanner so it is great for operating it. There is a old sony camera that requires software to get the video out of it. Software that only works on win XP.
我对它有情怀，在它那个年代的电脑上确实很好用。我有台老扫描仪，用它来驱动最合适。还有台老索尼相机，得靠特定软件才能导出视频，而那软件只在Win XP上跑。
Anything internet is a no go, not because le hackers, because most websites will scan what version of the browser you have and try to block you or shit themselves up with 1GiB of used ram. Also if you actually need the hardware(GPU) like rendering or video editing or gaming XP is not for you.
涉及网络的东西一概不行，不是因为黑客，而是因为大多数网站会扫描你的浏览器版本，试图阻止你访问，或者用1GiB的内存把自己搞崩溃。另外，如果你真需要硬件（GPU）干渲染、视频剪辑或玩游戏这类活儿，XP不适合你。
XP is the last example how a OS should look like before your zoomeroid self updating shitware that installs bloatware for your monitor over the internet. It is also great for old PCs and was for some small VMs. I did have linux fags shit themselves and try to shill some obscure linux shit who actually runs slower on old hardware instead of using XP.
XP是操作系统该长什么样的最后一个例子，之后就是你那套自我更新的阉割货，通过网络给你的显示器装垃圾软件。它对老电脑也很友好，对小虚拟机来说也不错。我见过Linux死忠粉自嗨，硬吹一些冷门Linux系统，结果在老硬件上跑得比XP还慢。
>>109442712
>good is a strong word. Windows 7 was the last barely tolerable version.
>“好用”这个词太过了。Windows 7是最后一个勉强能忍的版本。
This one speaks the truth!
这话说到点子上了！
Daily reminder that 7 fucked up the UI with its retarded glass shit and collapsed all windows into a app collection and placed apps on your task bar and this is retarded as fuck.
每日提醒：7那弱智玻璃特效把界面搞砸了，把所有窗口缩成一个应用合集，还把应用塞到任务栏里，这操作蠢得一批。
For some reason everyone forgets this (despite it being easy to change) and acts like this retarded way is the only way to use a OS. Did everyone forget how to use computers or how they did it before 7?
不知为啥大家都忘了这事（明明改起来很容易），还装得好像这种智障方式才是用系统的唯一姿势。难道大家都忘了怎么用电脑，或者忘了7之前是怎么用的？
The latest stuff is not great in fact it's so bad it makes the old stuff look good.
最新的东西不咋地，事实上烂到让老东西看起来都香了。
>>109443114
>windows7 is more usable than any Linux trash will ever be.
>windows7比任何Linux垃圾都好用，永远都是。
This.
However this is because ((((open source)))) devs only code for attention or to exploit government for free money.
然而这是因为((((开源))))开发者们写代码只是为了博眼球，或者是为了骗政府的免费钱。
And are actually hostile to their user base or are actually trolling it.
而且他们对用户群体充满敌意，或者干脆就是在耍用户玩。
I do not think they even use themselves the trash they code.
我觉得他们自己都不用自己写的那些垃圾。
>>109477152
Hit me. Whats the bad news
来吧。坏消息是啥？
>>109477757
I simply have something called principles, unlike you conformist fag
我就是有点所谓的原则，不像你们这帮随大流的傻逼。
>>109478349
you have space aids and will die in three days
你得了太空艾滋，三天内必死。
>>109442389
>Why do people still run outdated windows?
>为啥还有人跑老掉牙的Windows？
>>109477925
>because most websites will scan what version of the browser you have and try to block you or shit themselves up with 1GiB of used ram.
>因为大多数网站会扫描你的浏览器版本，试图阻止你访问，或者用1GiB的内存把自己搞崩溃。
NTA but I've used XP on about 3GB of RAM and it was struggling. As for "blocking", I used MyPal (since it resembled Firefox) and most of the pages worked, albeit with some graphical glitching here and there (something to do with the rendering engine I think)
不是楼主但是我在大约3GB内存的机器上用过XP，确实吃力。至于“阻止访问”，我用的是MyPal（因为它像Firefox），大部分网页都能开，就是时不时有点图形小毛病（我觉得跟渲染引擎有关）。
>>109478352
you can spin around in public and do all the neurodivergent shit you want but that doesn't make you a special little boy, just a retard.
你可以在大街上转圈，做各种神经病行为艺术，但那样不会让你成为特别的小男孩，只会让你变成个傻逼。
>>109478923
>albeit with some graphical glitching here and there
>就是时不时有点图形小毛病 ❞ 是不是他们就是没加更多新扩展插件，所以旧浏览器就崩了？
Did they simply not add more new extension shit so that it fucks up on old browsers?
他们是不是就单纯没加啥新扩展功能，好让它在老浏览器上翻车？
I just installed W7 to use a program people said was no longer available/usable. I did it entirely without the use of warez, or activators. The same program won't install on W11, and I avoid paying a subscription this way. Yes, it is entirely offline for anyone thinking it's a security risk.
我刚装了W7就是为了跑一个别人说已经没法用了的程序。我全程没用盗版或者激活器。同一个程序在W11上装不了，这样我就省了订阅费。是的，完全离线运行，怕有安全风险的人放心。
>>109478973
Nope, it's the browser itself having render issues. Found that out by testing older sites as well (XrX Win9x logo archive) and the glitches are there too.
不是，是浏览器本身的渲染问题。我测了旧网站也发现了（比如XrX Win9x logo存档），毛病一样在。
>>109478553
Lol. You already died 25 years ago by following your masters wishes without even ever understanding. Or worse off yet earning 5 rupees a day for this.. You are alive but a waste of an existence.
哈哈，你早在25年前就死了，跟着你主子的意愿走，连理解都没理解过。更惨的是，为此一天才挣5卢比。你还活着，但活着也是浪费存在。
I'm glad this is the only day of the year i visit this website.
我真高兴一年只有这一天来这网站。
>>109479485
projecting your esl a little too much there
你这英语二语者的味儿有点藏不住啊
you can still use 7 for most stuff these days
现在大多数东西你还照样能用Win 7跑
steam runs on it, discord runs on it, librewolf, etc
Steam能跑，Discord能跑，Librewolf什么的都行
there's extended kernal to make modern stuff run on it
还有扩展内核能让现代软件跑起来
>>109478973
Its not an issue with old browsers, its an issue with poorly Chrome API shit being almost impossible to implement on non-chrome based browsers because its a constantly moving target, and websites always assuming the user is using Chrome.
问题不在老浏览器，问题在于那些烂Chrome API在非Chrome内核的浏览器上几乎没法实现，因为它一直在变，而且网站总默认用户用的是Chrome。
>>109479226
You could try NewMoon and Supermium. One's just Palemoon built for XP, while the other is a fork of Chrome for XP.
你可以试试NewMoon和Supermium。一个是专为XP编译的Palemoon，另一个是XP版的Chrome分支。
>>109442389
I run windows 7 on my personal closed circuit for media, making my house runs on windows 7 unconnected to anything else and my programs on there control the garage door, the fire escape hole and stuff
我自己的闭路系统跑Win 7管媒体，我家整个房子跑在Win 7上，不连任何外部网络，上面跑的程序控制车库门、消防逃生口之类的。
>>109477925
>zoomer calling others zoomers
>Z世代小屁孩管别人叫Z世代
>muh vintage digital camera collection and xp retroon boxes
>"我的复古数码相机收藏和XP复古盒子"装起来了
>conflating vista with 7
>把Vista和7混为一谈
>calling 7 bad while complaining about removed vista features
>骂7烂还抱怨Vista的功能被砍了
>conflating xp with 7
>把XP和7混为一谈
>"its impossible to find an XP compatible GPU"
>"根本找不到能兼容XP的显卡"
>"every website will heckin block me for low memory flags"
>"每个网站都会因为内存标志太低把我封了"
>"xp was the last os where autoupdating wasnt the norm"
>"XP是最后一个不把自动更新当常态的系统"
>"internet connection scawyy, not because HAXXORS, but telemetry"
>"联网好可怕，不是因为黑客，是因为遥测"
>"fuck with and and and"
>"去他妈的and and and"
>"Muh nostagia. [...] DONT YOU GUYS REMEMBER?! I DO"
>"我的怀旧情怀啊。[...] 你们难道不记得吗？！我记得"
Mother of thirdie zoomer larp. kys
第三世界Z世代角色扮演之母。去死吧。
>>109481453
he's right though and ur still tarded fuck off and finger your phone in rage like a gud like jeetzom
他说得没错，你他妈还是傻子，滚一边去，像个小丑一样对着手机抓狂吧，跟jeetzom一个德行。
>>109481575
>"and and like like jeetzom"
“还有还有，像像杰佐姆那样”
I'm not quite feeling it today, saaaars.
今天不太在状态啊，老铁。
I do everything on my win 7, including crypto. The ride never stops.
我所有事都在Win 7上干，包括加密货币。这趟车永不停。
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