/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

>>109325724

Don't buy anything other than IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™

如果你想体验真正的商业级笔记本™，除了IBM/Lenovo的ThinkPad T、X和W/P系列，其他什么都别买。

Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

/tpg/也欢迎其他商务笔记本（戴尔Latitude/Precision，惠普EliteBook/ZBook）

Why ThinkPad?

为什么选ThinkPad？

>Used machines are plentiful and cheap

>二手机器多而且便宜

>Utilitarian design: e.g. mix of old and new ports, stable keyboard layout

>实用主义设计：比如新旧接口混搭，键盘布局稳定

>Easy to repair, upgrade (some models) & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals, spare parts easy to obtain

>易于维修、升级（部分型号）和维护，因为有现成的服务手册，备件也容易搞到

>Usable in cramped quarters thanks to the TrackPoint

>因为有小红点（指点杆），在狭小空间里也能用

>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

>对Linux和*BSD支持极好

ThinkWiki - General info

ThinkWiki - 综合信息

https://www.thinkwiki.org/

Model generations:

型号代数：

>Classic IBM: T40-T42

>经典IBM时代：T40-T42

>IBM/Lenovo transition: T43 T60 T61 (T42-T43: significant spec difference; T43-T60: 64-bit arch)

>IBM/Lenovo过渡期：T43 T60 T61（T42-T43：规格差异大；T43-T60：64位架构）

>Classic Lenovo: T400-T430 (T61-T400: 4:3 to 16:10; T410-T420: 16:10 to 16:9; T420-T430: 6-row keyboard, USB 3)

>经典联想时代：T400-T430（T61-T400：4:3变16:10；T410-T420：16:10变16:9；T420-T430：6行键盘，USB 3）

>Boxy ultrabooks: T440-T480 (T430-T440: eDP, M.2, soldered CPU; T460-T470: NVMe, USB-C)

>方正风格的超极本：T440-T480（T430-T440：eDP，M.2，CPU焊死；T460-T470：NVMe，USB-C）

>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)

>薄中强：T490 T14g1 T14g2（T480-T490：WiFi焊死（英特尔），内存部分焊死，仅内置电池）

>TrackPoint on a pig: T14g3 T14g4 (T14g2-T14g3: 16:9 to 16:10, fully soldered RAM/WiFi (AMD), end of mechanical docks)

>铁坨上的小红点：T14g3 T14g4（T14g2-T14g3：16:9变16:10，内存/WiFi全焊死（AMD），机械底座时代的终结）

>iFixit-approved TrackPoint on pig: T14g5-... (T14g4-T14g5: Ctrl/Fn swap, camera bump, modular RAM returns)

>iFixit认证的铁坨上的小红点：T14g5-...（T14g4-T14g5：Ctrl/Fn互换，摄像头凸起，模块化内存回归）

FAQ:

>Oldest that won't choke on the modern web

>能勉强应付现代网页的最老型号

Light use: x60

轻度使用：x60

YouTube, Gmail etc: xx00(s)

YouTube、Gmail等：xx00系列

>Oldest that drives a 4K monitor

>能驱动4K显示器的最老型号

xx40(p/s)

>Oldest that takes 32 GB RAM

>支持32GB内存的最老型号

X260 T460p/s W510

>Lasts full day on battery

>能撑过一整天电量的型号

T550 T560 X260 xx70 Tx80 T16 and any Lunar Lake

T550 T560 X260 xx70 Tx80 T16 以及任何Lunar Lake处理器型号

>Newest with socketed CPU

>最新款的CPU可插槽式更换型号

T440p W541

BIOS replacement:

BIOS替换：

https://coreboot.org/ | https://libreboot.org/ | https://canoeboot.org/

Supports x60 xx00(s)-xx30(s) T440p W54x T470s xx80(s)

支持 x60 xx00(s)-xx30(s) T440p W54x T470s xx80(s)

Additional resources:

更多资源：

https://dankpads.com/tpg/ | https://biosimage.booru.org | https://github.com/n4ru/1vyrain

Patches:

https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches

https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:

##ibmthinkpad on libera | #/tpg/ on rizon

##ibmthinkpad 在 libera 上 | #/tpg/ 在 rizon 上

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785699366315047.png

Love these chinky ass laptops so much it's unreal

太爱这些轻薄小笔记本了，简直不真实

>>109440200

Yeah fr I shoved one up my ass

是啊真的，我塞了一台进屁股里

Man I can't wait for my ordered thinkpads to arrive tomorrow. It feels like christmas.

天哪，我迫不及待等明天订的ThinkPad到货了。感觉像过圣诞节。

>>109441061

Merry Thinkpad

圣诞ThinkPad快乐

>>109440200

>chinky

Please kill yourself.

请您自行了断吧。

Me waiting for my sub $100 T14 Gen 5 with 16:10 that I load up with 64GB

我就等着我的百元以下T14 Gen 5，16:10屏，装上64GB内存。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785715228778466.gif

>>109441775

you're probably going to have to wait a few years for that mate

哥们，估计你得等好几年了。

>>109441864

Worth it, my 32GB DDR4 still doing the job, will check eBay in 2034 for depreciated T14G5

值，我的32GB DDR4还扛得住，2034年去eBay淘台贬值的T14G5吧。

>>109441775

You should get gen 2 rather than waiting, it's the last t14 with the 1.8mm keyboard, x1c6 is a better choice thought if you don't need more than 8th gen intel

你应该搞Gen 2，别等了，那是最后一款带1.8mm键程的T14，不过要是你觉得8代Intel够用，x1c6更香。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785717386751024.jpg

So I just ordered three thinkpad g14 gen 1 because a store dumped the prices and almost gave them away for free.

我刚下单了三台ThinkPad G14 Gen 1，因为有个店清仓甩卖，几乎是白送的。

Any good ideas what I can do with them? I guess gifts for family and stuff like that. I'm gonna pretend like I'm a 1337 hacker/programmer.

有啥好主意怎么用它们？我想着送亲戚朋友啥的。我还打算装成1337黑客/程序员的样子。

>>109442270

What store, I'm looking for one.

哪家店？我也想搞一台。

My trusty 13 year old T540p is dying :(

我那台陪了我13年的T540p快咽气了 :(

FML.

Just as I put a gorillion new stickers on it.

我刚给它贴了一堆新贴纸呢。

FML*FML.

I habe 3 options:

我有三个选择：

>Put money into it to keep it going a little longer

>砸钱续命

Don't really want to do that.

真心不想这么干。

>Getting a W541

>搞台W541

I've got an offer for one in phenomenal shape for 170 yurobucks, I'd upgrade and mod that to the max.

有人出价170欧，成色极品，我打算最大限度升级改装它。

>Get something else entirely (15/16" + Numpad, max 500€)

>换个完全不同的（15/16寸+数字键区，预算500欧封顶）

I'm not sure what so I came here to ask you guys.

我拿不定主意，所以来问问你们。

3 options, what do? I've got like two semesters left in my bachelors and I'm going to enroll in a masters right after without any delays.

三个选择，咋整？我本科还剩两个学期，毕业后直接无缝衔接读硕士。

Also: Where do I get proper /g/ toaster stickers? Redbubble sells literal feces.

还有：哪能买到正经的/g/ 烤面包机贴纸？Redbubble上全是垃圾。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785720437239549.jpg

>>109442315

it's norway, proshop, so I sorta don't think it's gonna help you an awful lot

是挪威的proshop，所以我估计对您帮助不大。

>>109442332

These?

https://www.proshop.de/Laptops/Lenovo-Refurbished-ThinkPad-T14s-G1-14-Core-i5-16GB-512GB-B-Grade/3403828

>>109442465

these

https://www.proshop.no/Baerbar-PC/Lenovo-Refurbished-ThinkPad-T14-G1-14-Core-i5-16GB-256GB-BARGA1N-Grade/3373165

doesn't look like they have the same offer in your country

看你那边的国家好像没有同样的促销。

>>109439424

Am I retarded for buying this? I was given a budget of $2000. This seems really expensive for what it is, but I heard the screen was really good on these.

我买这个是傻逼吗？预算给了2000刀。这价格感觉贵得离谱，但听说这屏幕贼好。

use case

使用场景

>staring at text all day (excel, shitty web portal stuff, python)

>整天盯着文字（Excel、烂网页后台、Python）

wants

>the brightest IPS panel I can find

>我能找到的最亮IPS屏

>clear text

>文字清晰

>decent keyboard with a number pad

>带数字键区的好键盘

>decent battery life

>续航给力

things I don't really give a shit about enough to pay extra

那些我不在乎、懒得加钱的东西

>RAM

these are the specs I put in. I'm currently at

这是我选的配置，目前是这样：

Processor: Intel® Core™ Ultra 5 325 Processor (LPE-cores up to 3.40 GHz P-cores up to 4.50 GHz)

处理器：Intel® Core™ Ultra 5 325（LPE核最高3.40 GHz，P核最高4.50 GHz）

Memory: 16 GB LPDDR5X-8533MT/s (CAMM2)

内存：16 GB LPDDR5X-8533MT/s（CAMM2）

Solid State Drive: 512 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC Opal selected upgrade

固态硬盘：512 GB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC Opal 升级版

Display: 16" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS, Anti-Glare, Touch, 100%sRGB, 500 nits, 60Hz, Low Power selected upgrade

屏幕：16寸 WUXGA（1920 x 1200），IPS，防眩光，触控，100%sRGB，500尼特，60Hz，低功耗升级版

Graphics Card: Integrated Graphics

显卡：集成显卡

Camera: 5MP RGB+IR with Microphone and Privacy Shutter, Computer Vision,

摄像头：5MP RGB+IR带麦克风和隐私挡板，支持计算机视觉

Fingerprint Reader: Fingerprint Reader selected upgrade

指纹识别：指纹识别升级版

Wireless: Intel® Wi-Fi 7 BE211 2x2 BE & Bluetooth® 5.4

无线：Intel® Wi-Fi 7 BE211 2x2 BE & Bluetooth® 5.4

Keyboard: Backlit, Black with Number Pad - English (US)selected upgrade

键盘：背光，黑色带数字键区 - 英文（美式）升级版

Battery: 3 Cell Rechargeable Li-ion 75Whselected upgrade

电池：3芯锂离子可充电75Wh 升级版

Power Cord: 100W USB-C Dual Port Wall Mount GaN 90% PCC 2pin AC Adapter - US selected upgrade

电源适配器：100W USB-C 双口壁挂 GaN 90% PCC 2针美规 升级版

Warranty: 1 Year Courier or Carry-in

保修：1年上门或送修

>also

who the fuck needs to bend their laptop like this?

谁他妈需要像这样掰自己的笔记本？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785730184160384.png

>>109443533

>Display: 16" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS,

>屏幕：16英寸WUXGA（1920×1200），IPS，

That's a beast laptop, Anon, it's got more room if you need more memory, these are retarded fast laptops, you can't go wrong with a T15 or whatever that is.

那可是台猛兽级笔记本，老哥，要加内存的话空间更足，这些机器快得离谱，买T15或类似型号准没错。

>who the fuck needs to bend their laptop like this?

>谁他妈需要像这样掰自己的笔记本？

You'd be surprised, in an industrial environment like the international space station, or a workshop, laptops may need to be mounted in specific ways to do a job, having the 180 degree hinge is required.

你会大吃一惊的，在像国际空间站或车间这种工业环境里，笔记本可能需要以特定方式安装才能干活，180度铰链是必须的。

Whats the best laptop to buy currently for $1500 - $2000 AUD.

目前澳元1500到2000刀买啥笔记本最好？

Need it for full time uni and some basic AI stuff.

需要全职上大学用，外加跑点基础AI的东西。

>>109443837

>basic AI stuff

>基础AI的东西

you'd be better off having a desktop with a dedicated graphics card for that

搞那个你最好弄台带独立显卡的台式机

besides the low end graphics cards like rtx 3050, 4050, and rx6500m, you get diminishing returns on more expensive graphics cards in laptops, and they get really hot and noisy. they're just not worth it.

除了像rtx 3050、4050和rx6500m这种低端显卡，在笔记本上买更贵的显卡性价比越来越低，而且又烫又吵。根本不值。

compared to a desktop where you get the most bang for your bucks, and you have significantly better upgrade options. you don't really want to do ai on a laptop

相比之下台式机能让你每一分钱都花在刀刃上，升级选项也多得多。你真不想在笔记本上跑AI

my suggestion would be to get a cheap laptop like a thinkpad T14 gen 2 or 3 for $200-300, and spend the rest of the money on a desktop instead you'll get far more bang for your bucks that way

我的建议是买台便宜的笔记本，比如thinkpad T14二代或三代，花个200到300刀，剩下的钱砸在台式机上，这样性价比高得多

sadly graphics cards are getting shit expensive, and amd started increasing prices just recently. the rx9060 16 gb would've been great but it's probably more expensive now. you want to have at least a 16 gb vram graphics card for ai

可惜显卡价格已经贵得要命，amd最近还刚涨了价。rx9060 16GB本来会很香，但现在估计更贵了。跑AI你至少得整块16GB显存的显卡

>>109443957

Yeah. thank you. I've got a very powerful desktop with a 4090 so I was just looking at something decent

好的，谢了。我已经有台带4090的超强台式机了，所以就想找个过得去的

>>109443533

>who the fuck needs to bend their laptop like this?

>谁他妈需要像这样掰自己的笔记本？

Niche use cases, plus extra range of travel is always nice. About a decade ago I would setup my X230 like that whenever I came home from uni and plug in a USB keyboard; there was a noticeable drop in temps thanks to unimpeded air flow, the screen was now more even with my eye level, and it was a more efficient use of desk space since I could move the keyboard around for papers/textbooks. It's not the most useful feature but it's a nice bonus that doesn't sacrifice anything.

小众用途，外加更大的开合角度总是好事。大概十年前，我每次从大学回家都会把X230掰成那样，再插个USB键盘；由于通风不受阻挡，温度明显下降，屏幕也正好跟视线齐平，而且更省桌面空间，因为键盘能挪来挪去给论文或课本腾地方。这功能不算最实用，但算个不错的加分项，又不牺牲啥。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785739814805553.jpg

>>109444640

I wouldn't even consider it niche for the use thinkpads get, especially in the days where TN panels were the only thing on laptops and were even worse than the ones now, the thing was unviewable if you're not looking directly at it, which means if you're thinkpad is on a table with you standing there doing something while needing information on a laptop, you need to open that screen to a pretty extreme angle, nowadays with IPS that's not as much of a problem but it's still nice to open your laptop to an angle where you can see even without having to sit down, or worse, hold the laptop while working.

我觉得就thinkpad的用途来说这甚至不算小众，尤其是在TN屏还霸占笔记本、画质比现在还烂的年代，那屏不直面看根本没法看，也就是说如果你的thinkpad放在桌上，你站着干活又需要看笔记本上的信息，你就得把屏幕开到极其夸张的角度。现在有了IPS这问题没那么严重了，但能把笔记本开到不用坐下就能看清的角度还是很爽的，总比非得抱着笔记本干活强。

Good morning everyone,

大家早上好，

I posted in the last thread that I was looking for something to replace the Macbook air from 2015 that I carry in my bag. I got recommended a 6th gen X1 Carbon m. Unfortunately since it’s 14 inches it won’t fit in my bag. My computer is about 11 inches and fits snugly in my bag, so i was hoping to get something in that size? I don’t mind older computers since netbooks have fallen out of fashion. But anything that could run at least slightly better than my current machine and was a similar size would be nice. Any insight or help would be very much appreciated. Thank you

上个帖子里我说过想在包里找台能替代2015款Macbook Air的机器。有人给我推荐了第六代X1 Carbon m，可惜14寸的塞不进我的包。我现在这台电脑大概11寸，塞包里刚刚好，所以想找差不多尺寸的？我不介意老机子，毕竟上网本已经过时了。但只要能比我手头这台稍微强点，尺寸又相近的就行。有见解或能帮上忙的话感激不尽，谢谢。

>>109446158

The smallest thing I believe Lenovo makes is the 12.5 inch X series, so we're talking the X280 which would have similar processors to a Carbon Gen 6 but be a little smaller, but I don't think anything comes close to the 11 inch Macbook Air, it got to the point where Apple even discontinued the 11 inch Air after your 2015 model and sold the 13 for a bit before making that a retina and soldering the ssd like a bunch of dicks, but a thinkpad X280 is what we would recommend if you're looking for smol laptop

联想最小的我记得是12.5寸的X系列，那就得说X280了，处理器跟Carbon Gen 6差不多但尺寸小一点。不过我觉得没什么能比得上11寸Macbook Air，苹果后来干脆在你那款2015之后停产了11寸Air，改卖13寸，再后来搞Retina屏还焊死固态硬盘，真够坑的。但你要是找小号笔记本，ThinkPad X280就是我们的推荐。

>>109446158

Z13, X1 nano, X13 gen4 and newer.

Z13、X1 Nano、X13 Gen 4及后续型号。

Everything else will be bigger and heavier.

其他都更大更重。

Mine works like a charm but the lack of an SD card slot is annoying to deal with.

我的用起来很顺手，就是没SD卡槽挺烦的。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785757994415895.png

>>109443533

You shouldn't buy business laptops new, they are priced at a point that is suitable for large business discounts

商务本别买新的，那个定价是冲着企业大批量折扣去的。

>>109447062

kinda explains why they're so cheap second hand, the price is based on what businesses paid for them, not consoomers

这也解释了为啥二手那么便宜，价格是按企业当初的采购价来的，不是给普通消费者定的。

my thinkpads finally arrived, yahoo!

我的ThinkPad终于到了，开心！

I'm surprised how good condition they were considering they are second hand

没想到二手成色这么好。

I guess I were lucky

估计我运气不错。

What is the last non-botnet version of libreboot for the x200?

x200的libreboot最后一个非僵尸网络版本是哪个？

>>109449399

>non-botnet

Explain? I thought libreboot removed every blob as soon as there's free code to replace it?

解释一下？我以为libreboot一有自由代码替代就会把所有blob删掉？

>>109448892

>I'm surprised how good condition they were

> 没想到成色这么好

Post pics! Make us jealous!

上图啊！馋死我们！

>>109443533

>who the fuck needs to bend their laptop like this?

>谁他妈需要像这样掰自己的笔记本？

I use it fully open horizontally on a table to draw on the touchscreen and vertically when sitting or lying with my knees up

我平时把它完全平放桌上用触屏画画，坐着或躺床上屈膝时就竖着用。

>>109446514

>>109446216

Thank you both kindly for the suggestions but I think even these are too big. All this is making me miss my old X100e. I had one and it got me through college on a single core in 2015.

两位的好意我心领了，但我觉得这些也还是太大。这一切让我好怀念我的老X100e。我当年有一台，单核在2015年陪着我读完了大学。

I think I might just get a lighter weight distro than Xubuntu (even though my main reason for running it is because of how cute the Logo is in fetch. I really love that cute mouse.)

我寻思着干脆换比Xubuntu更轻量的发行版算了（虽然我跑它主要是因为fetch里那个Logo太可爱了，我特别喜欢那只小老鼠。）

I’m also even contemplating getting an x120e since it’d be dual core but at that point I should just stick to my air.

我甚至还在考虑入台x120e，毕竟它是双核，但到那地步我还不如直接用我的Air呢。

Thank you all for your help, I genuinely appreciate your time and knowledge. I hope all of you have a wonderful day.

谢谢各位的帮助，真心感谢你们的时间和知识。祝大家今天过得愉快。

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>>109450289

You too Anon, it really is tragic how ultra small laptops and netbooks just kinda went away, I remember back in the day my 8.9 inch aspire one was amazing for taking a desktop OS like Ubuntu 8.10, XP or 7 beta at the time, one could only imagine how useful a sub 11 inch notebook could be with modern technology and storage.

你也一样，Anon。超小型笔记本和上网本就这么消失了，真是悲剧。我记得当年那台8.9英寸的Aspire One，跑Ubuntu 8.10、XP或者当时的Win 7测试版这种桌面系统，简直神了。想想看，要是现在有台11寸以下的笔记本，配上现代技术和存储，那该多实用啊。

>>109450352

Also that's based if you're considering just continuing with Linux on a MacBook Air, I had a 2017 Air (2015 hardware) with Mint XFCE and it was actually really good despite the Mac-ness of it.

另外，你要是真打算在MacBook Air上继续用Linux，那也挺硬核的。我有一台2017款Air（2015年的硬件），装的是Mint XFCE，虽然它那股“Mac味儿”挺重，但用起来真的不错。

>>109450352

>>109450374

I whole heartedly agree on how sad it is that this size ceased to exist. It was my go to for portable computing. I always preferred to carry a small notebook in my bag than to carry a backpack with a full laptop. One would imagine with how powerful small cpu’s are and how fast storage is it would be appealing to the average consumer. Although I lament to think the niche netbooks server has been filled by modern smartphones. Tragic indeed.

我完全同意，这种尺寸消失了太可惜了。那曾经是我便携计算的首选。我宁愿包里塞个小笔记本，也不想背个装着大电脑的双肩包。按理说，现在小CPU这么强、存储这么快，应该很吸引普通消费者才对。虽然我有点遗憾，觉得上网本那个小众市场已经被智能手机填满了。真是悲剧啊。

Also, thank you for the kind compliment. I prefer to make my technology go as far as they go, even breathing new life into old machines.

还有，谢谢你的夸奖。我喜欢把技术用到极致，哪怕给老机器续命也乐意。

(PS, the captcha had a symbol that looked like the Arch logo.)

（顺便说一句，验证码里有个符号看起来像Arch的logo。）

>>109450435

>I prefer to make my technology go as far as they go, even breathing new life into old machines

>我喜欢把技术用到极致，哪怕给老机器续命也乐意

Honestly Anon, if the Air is doing the job, keep using Linux on it as long as possible until it can't handle what you're doing, it's a super thin little computer that looks nice, I do miss that even having sold it for a slightly thicker Thinkpad 14 inch that had ethernet and more ports, but for basic use a MacBook Air is really good.

说真的，Anon，如果Air还能干活，就尽量在它上面用Linux，直到它撑不住你需求的那天。这玩意儿超薄又好看，我卖了它换了个稍厚点的14寸Thinkpad（有网口和更多接口）之后还挺怀念的。但日常基本用的话，MacBook Air真的够好。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785785753597238.jpg

>>109450374

I've got Mint Cinnamon on my MBA 2017. I put in a 512 GB ssd and haven't felt the need to go back to MacOS. The hardware is solid and it's great for everyday basics. Wouldn't mind a less obsolete display though.

我的MBA 2017上装了Mint Cinnamon。我换了个512GB的固态硬盘，已经完全没有想回MacOS的冲动了。硬件很扎实，日常基础使用绰绰有余。不过屏幕要是没那么过时就好了。

>>109450561

>Wouldn't mind a less obsolete display though

>屏幕要是没那么过时就好了

I know right? I thought 1440x900 on a 13.3 inch was the best shit ever because I had never owned a retina mac or anythng better than 1440x900 on a 14 inch, and then I got a 9yo T470 with the FHD 14 inch, which was a holy shit moment because it's such a big res in a small space, but not so much res that you can't see anything at 100% scaling, that's a sexy screen right there anything less really becomes obsolete, and even still guys like Louis Rossmann will consider 1080p in a 14 inch "poverty".

可不是嘛？我以前觉得13.3寸的1440x900已经顶天了，因为我从没用过Retina Mac，也没见过比14寸1440x900更好的屏。然后我搞了台9年旧的T470，FHD 14寸屏，那一刻简直“卧槽”，这分辨率在小空间里看着真爽，但又没高到100%缩放看不清字，这屏幕真的性感。再低配点就真过时了。不过就算这样，像Louis Rossmann那种人还会把14寸1080p叫“穷酸”。

>>109450590

I had been using a 10.1" IPS Asus Transformer with Windows 10 previously and honestly this screen felt like a bit of a downgrade from that even though the resolution was higher. I've gotten used to it now but it was surprisingly bad at first, especially for 2017.

我之前用的是一台10.1寸IPS的华硕Transformer，跑Windows 10。说实话，这块屏幕刚上手时感觉有点降级，虽然分辨率更高。现在习惯了，但一开始真的烂得惊人，尤其是2017年的产品。

>>109450629

Yeah once you go from a high dpi screen to a lower one it's fucking brutal, I had been using my T470 for an hour or so to set it up, and then when I sit at my U2412M with 94ppi instead of 157ppi, it looks horrible because you get so spoiled.

是啊，从高DPI屏换到低DPI屏，那感觉真是痛苦。我之前用了大概一个小时的T470来设置，然后坐下来看我的U2412M，94ppi对比157ppi，简直惨不忍睹，因为眼睛都被惯坏了。

>>109450692

Yeah eventually I'm kind of keeping an eye out for a deal on a Retina or possibly an M1 now that Asahi is working on it. Not in a big hurry though, this is serving me fine for now.

是啊，我一直在留意Retina或者M1的折扣，毕竟Asahi正在搞适配。不过也不急，现在这台用着还挺顺手的。

I need a replacement board for t480. i found this NOKOTION NM-B501 board with i7-8550U. will i regret buying it?

我需要给T480换块主板。找到了这块NOKOTION NM-B501，配i7-8550U。买它会后悔吗？

>>109450802

If I were you I would buy a for parts not working, broken as fuck but still booting T480 cheap on eBay instead and swap it into your T480

换我我就去eBay淘个“零件机、坏得稀烂但还能开机”的便宜T480，然后把主板换进你的T480里。

>>109450834

oh yeah, i could do that

哦对，这招可以。

>>109450880

based

>>109442319

Any help lads?

兄弟们有啥办法吗？

What do you guys think of this T15 Gen1 instead: https://www.notebookgalerie.de/gebrauchte-notebooks-ultrabook-lenovo-thinkpad-t15-gen-1-32gb-ram-4.html

The CPU is barely 8% faster but it uses un one third of the power. Is the battery life ok on T15 Gen1?

CPU性能只快8%，但功耗只有三分之一。T15 Gen1的续航还行吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785792815476370.jpg

I feel pretty lucky, I just picked up a x200 for under 50usd and as far as I can tell it works fine.

感觉挺走运的，刚花了不到50美元搞了台x200，目前看来一切正常。

I immediately librebooted it and so far ordered a cheap affs panel for it.

我立马给它上了libreboot，还订了块便宜的AFFS屏。 ⟦ 除此之外挺爽的，电池能用但容量只剩20%了。

Past that it's pretty cool, the battery works but it's at 20% capacity

除此之外都挺酷的，电池能用但容量只剩20%了。

The wifi doesn't work because it's non-free

WiFi用不了，因为驱动是非自由的。

Does anyone have a solution for either reversing or replacing the rubberised coating? Part of the lid is like melting

有人有办法翻新或替换那个橡胶涂层吗？盖子有一部分像在融化。

>>109451815

You can a new battery and AR9462 on eBay for cheap.

eBay上能便宜买到新电池和AR9462。

>>109451913

It takes the full length ones so I'll have to cross reference. On my x301 I used a mpcie to m.2 and a modern card but I don't want to fuck around with this one swapping antennas

它得用全长卡，所以我得对照一下。我的x301上用了mpcie转m.2加现代网卡，但这台我不想折腾换天线。

I might try re-celling the battery, dunno

我可能试试换电芯，说不准。

>>109452066

AR9380 is full length.

AR9380是全长的。

>>109448892

Non-zero chance someone has cum on it at least once.

不是没可能有人往上面撸过。

>>109446216

>X280

Good luck finding a non-8GB model, especially one that isn't priced out the ass as an overarching consequence of AI niggers.

祝你能找到非8GB的版本吧，尤其是不被那帮AI傻逼搞到价格飞涨的。

>>109451913

I see you like playing Russian roulette with the possibility of your balls getting blown up, except that each chamber is loaded.

我看你是喜欢玩俄罗斯轮盘赌，赌自己蛋会不会炸，只不过每格都装满了弹。

>>109452700

I never had a problem. Good luck finding a new OEM battery for an 18 year old laptop.

我从来没出过问题。祝你能找到一台18年旧笔记本的全新OEM电池。

My new (to me) T14s just came in the mail today. This thing is sleek and by far the highest build quality i've had in a laptop. the P14s I ordered with a higher spec CPU is coming friday so I can do some head to head comparisons. For now, until i decide which one to keep i'm gonna stick with winblows unfortunately. Who knows, i might just keep both. Money is just a number.

我的新（对我而言）T14s今天刚到手。这玩意儿真 sleek，是我用过做工最好的笔记本。我订的P14s CPU配置更高，周五到，到时候能做个正面PK。在那之前，在决定留哪台之前，我只好先用微软屎系统了。谁知道呢，也许两台都留着。钱只是个数字。

>>109453186

Those would have wasted cells too, retard. I'm not making an argument in favor of OEM batteries, I'm making an argument against using outdated shit for the sole sake of novelty.

那些也会有报废电芯，傻逼。我不是在给OEM电池辩护，我是在反对为了追求新奇去用老旧垃圾。

>>109454678

I bet you're real fun at parties.

我打赌你在派对上肯定特别闷。

>>109451657

>that'd be 499 + tip.

>那就是499加小费。

This thing is already outdated. Just go to Kleinanzeigen, set the filters to 300-500€ and get a t16 gen 3 or gen 2, if you hate the notch.

这玩意儿已经过时了。直接上Kleinanzeigen，设好300到500欧的筛选条件，弄台T16 Gen3或Gen2，你要是讨厌刘海的话。

>>109439424

is x250 good?

x250怎么样？

>>109455312

The only T16 Gen3 that's below 700€ has a locked BIOS but it's still under warranty.

700欧以下唯一的T16 Gen3有锁BIOS，但还在保修期内。

I assume I would be retarded to buy that one. I have a CH341A with which I flashed my T540ps BIOS, but I guess doing shenanigans like that would void the warranty? Would Lenovo even unlock the BIOS under warranty if I bought it?

我觉得买那个就是脑子有病。我有CH341A，给T540p刷过BIOS，但这么折腾会不会算脱保？如果我买的话，联想会给我解锁BIOS吗？

Has anyone done a supervisor password unlock on a T43? I'm struggling to locate the relevant component. I have a pair of these, one that is up and running in great shape, and another one with a password that would be neat to bring back up to functionality, because it has an ATI GPU. Supposedly shorting pins at the right time can help with getting past the SVP, but finding info on which component it is is tough, and there are TONS of SOIC-8 parts all over the planar.

有人在T43上解锁过管理员密码吗？我死活找不到相关元件。我有两台这玩意儿，一台状态好能正常跑，另一台带密码，要是能恢复功能就太好了，因为它配的是ATI显卡。据说在合适的时候短接引脚能绕过SVP，但找资料说清是哪个元件太难了，主板上SOIC-8封装的零件多得要命。

>>109456478

Fine if you can fit what you do in two cores and 8 GB (or 16 if money isn't an issue, but at that point you may want a maxed out X270 instead). It's a comfy little machine with enough ports and space for lots of storage and battery.

要是你的活儿两个核心加8GB内存（钱多就上16GB，但那个价位你可能更想要顶配X270）能搞定的话，这机器就挺好。小巧舒适，接口够多，还能塞下大量存储和电池。

>>109456478

>dual-core in 2026

>2026 年还是双核

>>109456979

a bit overkill, yes, but what you gonna do

有点性能过剩，确实，但你能咋办呢

>>109456721

Just wait 1-2 weeks, I've seen a 500€ good condition I-5 model this Sunday. Don't wait too long, if you see one obv. The offers you see floating 2-4 weeks and longer are simply overpriced.

就等一两周吧，这周日我都看到一台500欧成色不错的i5型号。别等太久，看到合适的就下手。那些挂着两到四周甚至更久的报价，纯粹就是定价虚高。

>>109457000

lmao at the cope

笑死，这酸劲儿

elitebooks are the new thinkpads

EliteBook就是新时代的ThinkPad

>>109458550

>elitebooks are the new thinkpads

>EliteBook就是新时代的ThinkPad

I somewhat prefer thinkpads over elitebooks, but I had elitebooks in a previous job and they were okay. Though it was docked like 90 percent of the time I guess.

我多少还是偏爱ThinkPad多一点，但之前工作用过EliteBook，也还行。不过那会儿大概九成时间都插在底座上就是了。

>>109458550

no trackpoint and fn/ctrl keys are wrong

没有指点杆，Fn和Ctrl键布局也不对

You will never be a thinkpad

你永远成不了ThinkPad

I may be fomo'ing here but I really expect laptop prices to only get increasingly more expensive, almost prohibitively so and am wondering if I should buy a new machine now. I'm currently rocking a 5 year old Zbook and don't really necessarily need any more power at this point but I'm still wondering if I should buy something now. thots?

我可能有点FOMO上头，但我真觉得笔记本价格只会越来越贵，贵到几乎买不起那种，所以在犹豫要不要现在就入手一台新机。我现在用的是一台五年前的Zbook，目前其实也不怎么需要更强的性能，但还是在想要不要趁现在买一台。各位有何高见？

>>109459261

I sort of doubt refurbished business laptops are going to get immensely more expensive, they just want to get rid of them. But of course it wouldn't hurt buying one now, I think thinkpad t14 gen 2 or 3 or elitebook 840 gen 8 give you the most bang for your bucks right now. if you want a backup/spare, shouldn't be better than you zbook

我倒觉得翻新的商务本不会涨得太离谱，人家就是想赶紧清库存。不过现在买一台也不亏，我觉得ThinkPad T14二代或三代，或者Elitebook 840 G8，是目前性价比最高的选择。想要个备用机的话，总比你那台Zbook强。

>>109457385

Gotcha, Danke.

明白了，谢了。

>>109459261

What sorta machine are we talking here?

你具体说说什么机型？

My Z13 went up slightly, but most T14/P14s, T16/P16s, X13, yoga's are only slowly going down.

我的Z13稍微涨了点，但大多数T14/P14s、T16/P16s、X13、Yoga系列都在慢慢降价。

>>109442319

I fixed it. I tinkered with it and accidentally fixed the Problem with my T540p ...

我修好了。我瞎折腾了一下，结果意外把我那台T540p的问题给解决了……

So do I go ADHD and wait for the next issue to arise and bite me in the ass or do I order a new (to me) Laptop when I find one for a good price?

那我是该犯个多动症，等着下一个问题冒出来坑我一回，还是看到价格合适的（二手）笔记本就赶紧下单？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785876106794578.jpg

>>109461494

You should get a Kaby lake laptop, it's so damn cheap, goes faster than a haswell, and holds 32GB DDR4

你应该搞台 Kaby Lake 笔记本，便宜得要命，跑得比 Haswell 快，还能上 32GB DDR4。

>>109461519

>You should get a Kaby lake laptop,

>你应该搞台 Kaby Lake 笔记本，

Like something from the x70 gen? T570 or something?

像 x70 代的那种？T570 之类的？

Hope it won't fare like my last Kaby Lake. It was an Acer Aspire F15 something, it blew up in 2020 after a faulty Manjaro-Linux update (???) fucked something in the firmware which violently released the magic smoke from the chokes after an audible explosion, deep frying the poor 7700HQ inside; which is when I got my T540p as a replacement because it was sub 200€ and I was (still am) a poorfag student.

希望它别像我上一台 Kaby Lake 那样惨。那是台 Acer Aspire F15 之类的，2020 年一次烂 Manjaro-Linux 更新（？？？）把固件搞坏了，直接炸了，一声响后电感疯狂放魔法烟雾，把里面可怜的 7700HQ 给活活烤熟了；那之后我才弄了台 T540p 当替代品，因为不到 200 欧，而且我当时（现在也还是）个穷逼学生。

I must admit, it makes me chuckle now.

说实话，现在想起来还挺想笑的。

>it's so damn cheap

>便宜得要命

The ones I see are the more expensive than Coffee Lakes though. German eBay is literally called eGay in the German vernacular. A good deal, but confusing.

不过我看的都比 Coffee Lake 贵。德国 eBay 在德语里直接叫 eGay。好价是没错，但有点迷。

>goes faster than a haswell

>跑得比 Haswell 快

I don't know chief, the 4810MQ is within 10% of any chip that was based on the skylake microarchitecture during the 14nm+++++++ meme era.

兄弟我不太信，4810MQ 跟 14nm+++++++ 梗时代任何基于 Skylake 微架构的芯片差距都在 10% 以内。

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2906vs2863vs2865vs2196

The first Intel CPU gen that handily beat intel on mobile was 12th gen.

英特尔第一代在移动端真正碾压的其实是 12 代。

>and holds 32GB DDR4

>还能上 32GB DDR4

The W541 in question is already equipped with 32GB DDR3L

那台 W541 已经装了 32GB DDR3L 了。

I feel like it's an unbeatable deal for 170€, and one of the reasons why I'm even considering a W541. That and the fact that I've already got the "infrastructure" to accommodate x40 gen ThinkPads like spare parts, batteries and docks. The only thing that seriously scares me is that there's no new original batteries being produced anymore and if it wasn't for 03X7530, I'd have made the jump to something newer already.

我觉得 170 欧这个价无敌了，这也是我在考虑 W541 的原因之一。再加上我已经有适配 x40 代 ThinkPad 的“基础设施”，比如零件、电池和扩展坞。唯一让我真慌的是已经没有全新原厂电池产了，要不是有 03X7530，我早就跳去更新的机型了。

Question is, do I pull the trigger or nah?

问题是，下手还是不下手？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785880027965537.jpg

>>109462053

Hell yeah Anon, I have the T470 it's it's a beautiful dual core laptop with NVME and holds 32GB.

必须下手啊 Anon，我有台 T470，是个漂亮的双核本，带 NVME，能上 32GB。

>>109461519

>You should get a Kaby lake laptop

>你应该搞台 Kaby Lake 笔记本

Maybe if you're on a double-digit budget...

除非你预算就两位数...

>>109462137

It's just so modern for how low priced it is and the value is good for a sub $100 computer, anything $200+ is T14/P14 territory, skip over the T480 due to value.

它这价格来说太现代了，低于 100 刀性价比很高，但 200 刀以上就是 T14/P14 的地盘了，T480 直接跳过，不值。

>>109462101

Pulled the trigger.

下手了。

>>109462152

Bottom of the barrel T570 are like 250 to 350 yurobux here, BtB T580 are 200 to 275 €.

这边最丐的 T570 都得 250 到 350 欧，T580 的丐版 200 到 275 欧。

>>109462297

Based

Can someone identify what's the problem with this laptop? When I boot this laptop, it will emit this weird clicking sound (more like "tuck" "tuck"). And then the sound dissappear after booting. And then after the start up is done and the login page appear after 30 to 50 second it dies. I don't know is this laptop use HDD or SSD.

有人能看看这台笔记本什么问题吗？开机的时候会发出奇怪的咔哒声（更像是“嗒”“嗒”）。开机后声音消失。然后启动完成，登录界面出现后30到50秒就死机了。我不知道这台是机械硬盘还是固态。

>>109464979

Sounds like dying hdd

听起来像是硬盘要挂了。

>>109466428

I hope you are right and that is the only problem it has. I saw this laptop in a shop. It's a display set and they selling it with 20% off. The seller actually want to return it back but the guy who supply the merchandise never arrive. If it just HDD I can try ask the seller to sell it to me with bigger discount and I will try swap it with new HDD or SSD.

希望你说得对，就这一个问题。我在店里看到的，是展示机，打八折卖。卖家其实想退货，但供货的人一直没来。如果只是硬盘问题，我试试让卖家再便宜点，然后自己换个新机械盘或固态。

>>109464672

>>109467710

They based the 25th anniversary retro chinkpad with 7-row memeboard off the T470 because it's a dual core nvme having beast, that's what

他们拿T470做25周年复古小黑（七排键盘）是因为那玩意儿是双核NVMe猛兽，就这么回事。

My ThinkPad brings all the boys to the yard

我的ThinkPad把男孩们都吸引过来了。 ⟦ 他们都说“比你的好”。

And they're like, "It's better than yours"

他们还说：“比你的好多了。”

Damn right, it's better than yours

没错，就是比你的好。

I can pacman, but I have to charge

我能跑pacman，但得先充电。

You don't need more.

你不需要更多了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785971052981262.jpg

>>109473145

>dual-core in 2026

>2026 年还是双核

>>109473230

/thread

>>109439424

I've resurrected three old thinkcentres for server duty at home (S30, M910t, M92p), and gutted another busted M81 to house my gaymen PC.

我复活了三台旧ThinkCentre当家用服务器（S30、M910t、M92p），还拆了一台坏掉的M81改装成游戏机。

Feels good man. The whole fleet is Lenovoshit at home.

真爽，家里全是联想垃圾。

>>109473351

Based Thinkshit enjoyer

忠实的Thinkshit爱好者

Only turbopoors still use Thinkpads. Men of means and culture have Frameworks laptops

只有穷鬼还在用ThinkPad。有身份有品位的人现在都用Framework笔记本

>>109473609

The western pathological obsession of blaming being poor on poor people will never not baffle me.

西方那种病态地把贫穷归咎于穷人的毛病，我永远都理解不了。

>>109473609

I would never spend more than 1000 dollars on a laptop. That money goes to my desktop.

我绝对不会在笔记本上花超过1000美元。那钱得留给台式机。

>>109474484

>desktop in 2026

>2026年了还配台式机

>>109475061

>computers in 2026

>2026年了还有电脑

>>109473609

Nobody asks, linus racemixing tips

没人问你，Linus的跨种族搭配建议

>>109473609

>Only turbopoors still use Thinkpads. Men of means and culture have Frameworks laptops

>只有穷鬼还在用ThinkPad。有身份有品位的人现在都用Framework笔记本

two shekels have been added to your account

你的账户已到账两谢克尔

Ex-"collectors", how did you manage to stop hoarding?

曾经的“收藏家”们，你们是怎么戒掉囤积癖的？

Should I get the x230 or t420 what does /g/ recommend nowadays

我该选x230还是t420？/g/版现在推荐什么？

>>109480571

T460/T470 at the fucking minimum because it's the same price as classic shit and destroys the performance and is leaps and bounds ahead at just being modern, do not waste your fucking money over a blue enter key, also don't buy a T440p and spend retarded amounts of money making it a quad core beast with 16GB of RAM because now you're in T14 Gen 2 territory when it comes to price and the T14 will smoke that thing.

最低也得T460/T470，因为价格跟那些经典破烂货差不多，性能却吊打，而且在现代化程度上领先一大截，别TM为了一个蓝色回车键白扔钱。另外也别买T440p然后花傻逼钱把它改成四核怪兽加16GB内存，因为算下来价格已经摸到T14 Gen 2了，而T14能把那玩意按在地上摩擦。

>>109480948

Why not spend the extra 100-400 on a nice machine like a T14 gen 2/3/4/5?

为啥不多花100-400块搞台好机器，比如T14 Gen 2/3/4/5？

I mean thinkpads depreciate so little compared to other enterprise laptops, you can just sell your clapped out gen 2/3, add like 100-200 and buy another semi-new machine once every 2-3 years.

我的意思是，ThinkPad相比其他企业级笔记本贬值幅度小得多，你可以把用残的Gen 2/3卖掉，添个100-200块，每两三年再换台半新的机器。

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>>109481197

I do recommend the newest T14 you can buy in the budget due to how much laptop you get for the money, but what I cannot advise is people spend T470 money on a sandy bridge thinkpad or something, it's all about price to performance, a full complete T470 for $80-$90, worth it, a T420 meme machine for $120-$150, not worth it, a Based T480 with 59% more performance than a T470 for more than 200% more money, also not worth it, get a newer and faster T14.

我确实推荐在预算内买最新的T14，因为这钱花得值，拿到的性能很顶。但我不建议的是拿T470的钱去买什么Sandy Bridge时代的ThinkPad，关键看性价比：一台完整T470卖80-90刀，值；一台T420情怀机卖120-150刀，不值；一台T480吹得天花乱坠，性能比T470强59%，但价格贵了200%多，也不值，直接买更新的、更快的T14吧。

>>109480571

T14 gen 2 or X1C gen 6, both last ones of their series with the 1.8mm mogger keyboard.

选T14 Gen 2或者X1C Gen 6，这俩分别是各自系列里最后一批带1.8mm手感键王的型号。

T14 gen 2 has a way better 11th gen cpu, but the x1c6 while only 8th gen has way better lcd panel, glass trackpad, always backlit keyboard, lighter, nicer materials. In terms of optimal I'd pick between those two rn.

T14 Gen 2有强得多的11代CPU，但X1C 6虽然只有8代，屏幕面板却好得多、玻璃触控板、键盘永远背光、更轻、用料更好。要论最优解，我现在就在这两台里挑。

X1C10/T14Gen3 can be considered for their 16:10 panels, but you will have a moderately inferior 1.5mm keyboard.

X1C10/T14Gen3可以考虑，因为它们有16:10屏幕，但键盘手感会缩水到1.5mm，中等水平的差。

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>>109480571

As for classic thinkpads, x61/t60 are moggers as both are core2duo (good enough for 720p youtube) and have the vastly superior 4:3 panels.

至于经典ThinkPad，x61/t60才是真神，因为俩都是Core 2 Duo（看720p YouTube够用了），而且有牛逼到家的4:3屏幕。

4:3 is objectively superior and allows for more screen real estate on a smaller chassis, also does not have the ugly fat bezels of post 4:3 classic thinkpads.

4:3客观上就是更好，小机身里能塞更多屏幕空间，而且没有4:3之后那些经典ThinkPad的丑肥边框。

I would advise these over t420, as while 2520m is a substantial upgrade 16:9 subhuman class business tn is a horror

我会推荐这俩而不是T420，因为虽然2520m是大幅升级，但16:9那种次人类级别的商务TN屏简直是噩梦。

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>>109481784

>16:9 subhuman class business tn is a horror

>16:9次人类商务TN屏是噩梦

So true, it wasn't until you could commonly get a 14 incher with 1080P was it "okay", but 1366x768 and even 900P are crap, the new T14s are based as well with 1200p tallwide, I am loving the return of 16:10 even on asus ROG laptops

太对了，直到14寸1080P普及才勉强"能看"，但1366x768甚至900P都是垃圾。新款T14s也很神，1200p的"高竖屏"，我超爱16:10回归，连华硕ROG笔记本都有了。

>>109481805

Main issue with those t14 are the base 3 panels have low colour gamut (like 70% srgb) and thick matte anti glare, oh god they're a million times better than thinkpad tn but yeah this fact is an advantage to x1c which always comes with glorious high gamut panels

这些T14的主要问题是基础三款屏幕色域低（大概70% sRGB），还有厚磨砂防眩光涂层，哦天哪比ThinkPad的TN屏好一百万倍，但这点确实是X1C的优势，因为它永远配那种高色域的好屏幕。

Got an old laptop HP pavillon dv6 made in either 2009 or 2010.

我有一台老笔记本，HP Pavilion DV6，2009还是2010年产的。

It had Windows 7 on it and ran very slow.

上面装的是Windows 7，跑得贼慢。

I installed Lubuntu on it and it ran quicker. Boot to password was 1m24s and lauching the web browser the first time took 13s.

我给它装了Lubuntu，快了。从开机到输密码要1分24秒，第一次开浏览器要13秒。

I had a sata 3 ssd laying around that I wasn't using so I went and replaced the HDD in the laptop with it. The laptop only supports sata 2 though so it's speed capped. I installed Lubuntu again on it and it now boots to password in 44s and the web browser launches in 4s. That's quite an upgrade. SSDs are a must to revive old laptops.

我手头有块闲置的SATA 3固态硬盘，闲着也是闲着，就顺手把笔记本里的机械盘换了。不过这台笔记本只支持SATA 2，所以速度被限死了。我又给它装了遍Lubuntu，现在开机到输密码只要44秒，浏览器4秒就能开。这提升够大的。想让老笔记本复活，固态硬盘是必须的。

>>109481848

SSDs are probably the greatest speed increase to computers since Core 2, it's hilarious how much of our time in the 90s and 2000s was spent waiting on fucking hard drives.

固态硬盘大概是自Core 2以来对电脑速度提升最大的一样东西了，想想90年代和00年代我们花了多少时间等那破机械硬盘，真是笑死。