/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Adjust your component choices based on local market prices

根据当地市场价格调整组件选择

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE

Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Provide specific use cases

提供具体使用场景

State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

说明BUDGET（预算）和COUNTRY（国家），否则绝不帮

Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE

mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, XT M3

mATX：AP201、联力A3、XT M3

ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360

ATX：XT PRO (ULTRA)、AIR 903 Base/MAX、Lancool 207/217、Flux Pro、Meshify 3、4000D 框架、X50、BF360

Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

双腔: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU

Budget: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225/F, 12600K/F, 5600/X

预算配置：7500F、7/9600/X、225/F、12600K/F、5600/X

Gaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800XT

游戏配置：9850X3D、9/7800X3D、250K、5800XT

Workstation: 9950X/3D, 9900X/3D, 270K

工作站：9950X/3D、9900X/3D、270K

>COOLER

AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, be Quiet Silent Loop 3

一体式水冷：Thermalright Frozen Edge、Cooler Master Atmos、Lian Li GA II Lite、Corsair Nautilus RS、be Quiet Silent Loop 3

Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2

双塔风冷：A620 PRO SE、Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3、NH-D15 G2

ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

ITX/>42mm 内存兼容：Mugen 6 Dual Fan、AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change), KryoSheet (carbon sheet)

硅脂(TIM)：MX-7、Duronaut、PTM7950 (相变片)、KryoSheet (碳片)

*Most listings online are not actually 7950

*网上大多数 listings 其实根本不是 7950

>MOTHERBOARD

Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

避开华擎(ASRock) AM5 主板，CPU 降频/降解问题仍有报告。

>RAM

DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)

DDR5：2x16GB 或 2x24GB，6000CL30 (AMD)，6400CL32 (Intel)

Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

工作站：2x 32GB (预算型)，2x48GB 或 2x64GB (高端)

DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)

>SSD (保持固件更新)

DRAMless: 7100, NM790

无DRAM缓存方案：7100、NM790

PCIe Gen 4.0: 850X

Gen 5.0: 8100

https://borecraft.com/

>GPU

Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt, 5060

预算显卡：Arc B580、9060xt、5060

-Used: Turing

-二手：Turing 架构

*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p

*8GB 显存即便在 1080p 下也已成为主要瓶颈

Midrange: 5070, 9070

中端显卡：5070、9070

-Used: 3080/ti

-二手：3080/ti

High-end: 5070ti, 9070xt

高端显卡：5070ti、9070xt

Workstation: 5090, 7900XTX

工作站显卡：5090、7900XTX

>PSU

Buying guide:

购买指南：

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR

1080p: 24" 165/180hz IPS, KTC H25X7

1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

1440p：27英寸 165/180Hz IPS 屏，KTC M27T6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

4K:KTC M27P6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

4K：KTC M27P6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

>OS

Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

激活 Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS

Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans

机箱建议：自带优质 PWM 风扇的机箱

Midrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)

中端风扇：Pure Wings 3、Arctic P12 Pro、P14 Pro (5包装，高转速下较吵)

High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

高端风扇：Fractal Momentum、Noctua G2 (140mm 或 120mm)

Prev: >>109423177

上一篇：>>109423177

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785634082465506.jpg

Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

独立思考。不要盲目信任这里给出的建议。

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>A /pcbg/ 适用于每种使用场景和预算！

>Price tracking

>价格追踪

RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities

SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd

GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026

>2026 GPU 层级排行

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews

>电源评测

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

https://www.lttlabs.com/

https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:

给喜欢排行榜的朋友：

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews

>存储设备评测

https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)

https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter

>显示器猎人

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links

>其他有用链接

Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/

A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/

Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785634180827667.png

Looking back on GPUs relative to Halo releases

回顾GPU与《光环》系列发布的关系

>Halo CE - 2001

>光环1 - 2001

GeForce3 - 64 MB / DDR / 128 bit

GeForce3 - 64 MB / DDR / 128位

>Halo 2 - 2004

>光环2 - 2004

GeForce 6800 Ultra - 256 MB / GDDR3 / 256 bit

GeForce 6800 Ultra - 256 MB / GDDR3 / 256位

ATI Radeon X850 XT - 256 MB / GDDR3 / 256 bit

ATI Radeon X850 XT - 256 MB / GDDR3 / 256位

>Halo 3 - 2007

>光环3 - 2007

GeForce 8800 GT - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 256 bit

GeForce 8800 GT - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 256位

GeForce 8800 GTX - 768 MB / GDDR3 / 384 bit

GeForce 8800 GTX - 768 MB / GDDR3 / 384位

Radeon HD 3850 - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 256 bit

Radeon HD 3850 - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 256位

>Halo Reach - 2010

>光环：致远星 - 2010

GTX 470 - 1280 MB / GDDR5 / 320 bit

GTX 470 - 1280 MB / GDDR5 / 320位

GTX 480 - 1536 MB / GDDR5 / 384 bit

GTX 480 - 1536 MB / GDDR5 / 384位

>Halo 4 - 2012

>光环4 - 2012

GTX 680 - 2 GB / GDDR5 / 256 bit

GTX 680 - 2 GB / GDDR5 / 256位

GTX 690 - 2 GB / GDDR5 / 256 bit

GTX 690 - 2 GB / GDDR5 / 256位

Radeon HD 7950 - 3 GB / GDDR5 / 384 bit

Radeon HD 7950 - 3 GB / GDDR5 / 384位

>Halo 5 - 2015

>光环5 - 2015

GTX 980 - 4 GB / GDDR5 / 256 bit

GTX 980 - 4 GB / GDDR5 / 256位

GTX 980 Ti - 6 GB / GDDR5 / 384 bit

GTX 980 Ti - 6 GB / GDDR5 / 384位

GTX Titan X - 12 GB / GDDR5 / 384 bit

GTX Titan X - 12 GB / GDDR5 / 384位

>Halo Infinite - 2021

>光环无限 - 2021

RTX 3080 Ti - 12 GB / GDDR6X / 384 bit

RTX 3080 Ti - 12 GB / GDDR6X / 384 位

RTX 3090 - 24 GB / GDDR6X / 384 bit

RTX 3090 - 24 GB / GDDR6X / 384 位

RX 6900 XT 16 GB / GDDR6 / 256 bit

RX 6900 XT 16 GB / GDDR6 / 256 位

RX 6950 XT 16 GB / GDDR6 / 256 bit

RX 6950 XT 16 GB / GDDR6 / 256 位

>Campaign Evolved - 2026

>战役进化 - 2026

RTX 5080 - 16 GB / GDDR7 / 256 bit

RTX 5080 - 16 GB / GDDR7 / 256 位

RTX 5090 - 32 GB / GDDR7 / 512 bit

RTX 5090 - 32 GB / GDDR7 / 512 位

RX 7900 XTX - 24 GB / GDDR6 / 384 bit

RX 7900 XTX - 24 GB / GDDR6 / 384 位

>Xbox GPU

Xbox 显卡

Xbox GPU (GeForce 3) - 64 MB / DDR / 128 bit (DirectX 8.1)

Xbox GPU（GeForce 3）- 64 MB / DDR / 128 位（DirectX 8.1）

Xbox 360 GPU (ATI X1600) - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 128 bit (DirectX 9)

Xbox 360 GPU (ATI X1600) - 512 MB / GDDR3 / 128 位 (DirectX 9)

Xbox One GPU (HD 7000) - 8 GB / DDR3 / 256 bit (DirectX 11.2)

Xbox One GPU（HD 7000）- 8 GB / DDR3 / 256位（DirectX 11.2）

Xbox Series X GPU (6700XT) - 10 GB / GDDR6 / 320 bit (DirectX 12)

Xbox Series X GPU (6700XT) - 10 GB / GDDR6 / 320位（DirectX 12）

Xbox Magnus GPU - 32 GB / GDDR7 / 192 bit (DirectX 12)

Xbox Magnus GPU - 32 GB / GDDR7 / 192 位（DirectX 12）

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785634234017432.jpg

>>109432894

>>109432741

Cables are messy. Straighten those out.

线太乱了，理一理。

Also, start over entirely. You used tranny colors for some reason.

还有，整个重来。你不知为啥用了跨性别配色。

That AIO is also loud as fuck.

那个一体式水冷也吵得要命。

Your current GPU WILL be your last GPU.

你现在这显卡就是你最后一块显卡了。

>>109432957

By the end of next year you'll be able to use AI to make your own top of the line GPU.

到明年年底你就能用AI自己造出顶级显卡了。

>>109432957

iv been telling you for months to buy a blackwell 6000 (and a 9950x3d2). also i notice it isnt in the OP.

我几个月来一直叫你买黑威尔6000（还有9950x3d2）。另外我注意到它不在首楼里。

Daily check in, has PC building gotten any cheaper? No? Okay.

每日签到，装机降价了没？没有？行吧。

>>109432894

>literal tranime pc

>真·跨性别动漫电脑

>>109433030

anime site

动漫网站

is there a place I can check out monitors something like pcpartpicker a nice big detailed database preferably one that includes screen finishes and contrast ratios

有没有像pcpartpicker那样的显示器查询网站？最好是个大而详细数据库，包含屏幕表面处理和对比度那种。

>>109432942

You're right, I have some extra combs around.

你说得对，我手头还有几个理线梳。

hmmmm nyo

嗯嗯，不行啦

It's fine, my noise floor is high because I have an ac unit

没关系，我有空调，所以噪音底高。

Steam hardware survey for July is up big gains for blackwell anons as the 5070 is very close to be the most popular card on steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785636355799729.jpg

>AMD starting Linux patches for dcn6 which runs on gfx13 aka rdna5

>AMD开始为dcn6打Linux补丁，跑在gfx13也就是rdna5上

Someone tell that fat fuck Steve to stop making his doom videos, rdna5 and zen6 are confirmed for 2027 so his "hurr they're trying to take all ur pcs" crap is just schizo babble.

去告诉那个胖逼Steve别再拍他那末日视频了，rdna5和zen6已经确认2027年出来，他那些“哈哈他们想抢光你们的电脑”全是神经病胡话。

Lenovo 32UD-10, yay or yikes?

联想32UD-10，买还是怕？

I can get it for €635 which seems very reasonable, but I'm also not against waiting™ six additional months to a year before getting my first OLED

我欧元635能拿到，看起来挺合理，但我也不是不想等™六个月到一年再上第一块OLED。

>>109433107

Wait for next year, the gen5 QD OLED panels will be out by then.

等明年吧，那时第五代QD OLED面板就出来了。

>>109433107

>€

what are you doing up at this hour guy

哥你这时候咋还不睡

>>109432957

I will buy discounted server gpus once the bubble pops.

等泡沫破了我就去买打折服务器显卡。

>>109433111

Noted, thanks

收到，谢了

>>109433115

I'm a delinquent

我是不良少年

>>109433102

>the 5070 is very close to be the most popular card on steam

>5070几乎快成Steam上最火的卡了

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti

英伟达 GeForce RTX 5070 Ti

1.55%1.73%1.78%+0.05%

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070

英伟达 GeForce RTX 5070

2.87%3.09%3.62%+0.53%

not really

并不是

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060

英伟达 GeForce RTX 3060

4.10%4.02%3.88%-0.14%

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060

英伟达 GeForce RTX 4060

3.92%3.74%3.63%-0.11%

it will cap out at 3-4& and be another two small to target segment in a massively fractures spread

它最多也就到3-4%，又是另一个小到没啥意义的目标段，在分布极度分散的市场里。

e.g

Intel(R) UHD Graphics

英特尔（R）UHD 显卡

1.26%1.22%1.28%+0.06%

poorfaggors growth exceeded it

穷逼们的增长都超过它了 ‎37⟧ 那个+0.02%的Linux增长大概是我这周试了几十个发行版弄出来的 ‎38⟧ 5070占3.62%，最火的卡占3.88%。很明显黑威尔赢了，AMD输了 ‎39⟧ >选择退出 ‎40⟧ 现在咋办，老黑 ‎41⟧ >显卡人气比拼 ‎42⟧ 哈哈，看到这地方还有小孩在，不错。 ‎43⟧ AMD未开箱的神经病Steve又要因为9070 XT实际卖光黑威尔卡的事发飙了，都是基于mindfactory数据。 ‎44⟧ 你用那个词该被鞭打。 ‎45⟧ 憋着吧，至少他最后一条X帖终于承认RDNA4让AMD丢了市场份额。基本上只有傻子才买他们的卡。 ‎46⟧ 去>>109432908里那个Monitor Hunter文档链接看看。 ‎47⟧ WOLED显示器通常哑光涂层，QD-OLED通常是镜面，除非特别注明。 ‎48⟧ 不过有几款三星QD-OLED是有哑光处理的，注意一下。

That +0.02% Linux growth was probably me trying several dozen different distros this week

那个+0.02%的Linux增长率，大概是我这周试了几十个不同发行版的结果

>>109433150

5070 is at 3.62% while the most popular is at 3.88%. Is over blackwell won and amd lost

5070是3.62%，而最受欢迎的是3.88%。这是不是意味着blackwell赢了，而AMD输了呢？

>opt out

选择退出

now what nigger

现在呢，黑鬼

>GPU popularity contests

GPU人气比拼

lol, good to see this place still has kids around.

哈哈，很高兴看到这个地方还有年轻人在。

Schizo Steve from AMD unboxed is about to get another melty about how the 9070 XT is actually selling all the blackwell cards based on mindfactory data

AMD Unboxed 那个精神分裂的Steve又要因为Mindfactory的数据里9070 XT实际卖爆了所有Blackwell显卡而抓狂了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785637008430843.jpg

>>109433174

>melty

You should be flogged for using the word.

你用了这个词，真该挨顿打。

>>109433190

cope, actually at least he finally acknowledge RDNA4 made AMD lost marketshare in his last X post. Basically only idiots bought their cards

说真的，至少他上次发的X推文里终于承认RDNA4让AMD丢了市场份额。基本上只有傻子才会买他们的显卡。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785637212909892.png

>>109433083

Check the Monitor Hunter document link in >>109432908

查看 >>109432908 中的猎魔人监测文档链接

WOLED monitors will usually have a matte coating & QD-OLED have glossy finishes unless specified.

WOLED显示器通常采用哑光涂层，而QD-OLED则多为亮面处理，除非有特别说明。

But there are a few Samsung QD-OLED monitors with a matte finish to be aware of.

但需要留意的是，有几款三星 QD-OLED 显示器采用了磨砂表面处理。

This novideo shill is real salty, I wonder if he has nightmares about FSR catching up to DLSS quality.

这N炮洗地的真是酸到不行，我怀疑他做梦都会梦到FSR追上DLSS画质。

the moment you give attention to a fr*gnigger is the moment you fucked up

你一搭理那种fk玩意儿就是给自己找麻烦。

>>109433190

is that cute aggression in muh pcbg?

这算是对我的PC机箱的可爱攻击吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785637339761411.jpg

Stop building PCs inside fish tanks.

别再把电脑装进鱼缸里了。

>>109433174

>>109433199

he seems more like a hardware activist than a hardware reviewer to me

在我看来他更像硬件活动家而不是硬件评测员。

Cheers for 2 years of shilling garbage and another one to come until RDNA5 is out and they finally exit the discrete gpu market

洗了两年垃圾货，还得再洗一年，等RDNA5出来他们终于退出独显市场为止。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785637523227157.jpg

>>109433217

and people wonder why their nvidia drivers crash or windows feels unstable because their ddr5 is hitting 50-60c.

然后人们还纳闷为啥N卡驱动崩溃或者Windows不稳定，因为他们的DDR5温度都干到50-60度了。

is this a good deal on a used pc? $1800 aud

这二手电脑划算吗？1800澳元

>Gaming PC used once, windows preinstalled.

>游戏PC只用过一次，预装Windows。

>Gigabyte Aero OC GeForce RTX 5070 12 GB

>技嘉Aero OC GeForce RTX 5070 12GB

>Ryzen 5 900x 3.9GHz 6 core

>Ryzen 5 900x 3.9GHz六核

>Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU cooler

>Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU散热器

>Gigabyte B650M Gaming Wifi AM5 motherboard

>技嘉B650M Gaming Wifi AM5主板

>T-Force Vulcan 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30

>T-Force 火神 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30

>Samsung 990Pro 2TB M.2-2280 SSD

>三星990Pro 2TB M.2-2280 SSD

>MSI MAG A650GL 650W 80+Gold PSU

>微星MAG A650GL 650W 80+金牌电源

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785637861702564.jpg

>>109433228

console contracts are too lucrative to exit the gpu race

主机合同太赚钱了，压根舍不得退出显卡竞赛。

Well that's it for the 5070 ti, no fucking way am I paying 700 leafbux more for that over a 9070 XT.

那就这样吧，5070 ti，要我比9070 XT多掏700加币去买它，想都别想。

>>109433253

with the way memory is priced now, that's a decent deal

按现在内存的价格来看，这算是不错的价了。

>>109433257

They will just target the low end and mid range like they did on RDNA 4, cant wait for RDNA 5 cards to only have one SKU which matches de 9070 XT at $450 lmao

他们就会像RDNA4那样主打中低端，等RDNA5出来只有一款SKU对标9070 XT卖450美元，笑死。

>>109433253

theres something wrong with it and the owner wont tell you because you will find out on your own when they are long gone

这机器肯定有毛病，卖家不会告诉你，等你发现的时候他早跑没影了。

>>109433268

according to leaks there will be at least three SKUs with one of them being a flagship

按爆料说至少有三款SKU，其中一款是旗舰。

imagine MLID when RDNA5 announced the new consumer gpus and it turns out both the PS6 and XBOX are still slower than a 4090 from 2022

想想MLID的表情，等RDNA5新消费级GPU发布，结果PS6和XBOX都还是比2022年的4090慢。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638022483779.gif

>>109433276

the same leaks that said we would have gotten a 9080? AMD is dead jim, they have no marketshare, no hope, and no future selling gpus right now the whole R&D is paid by Sony they may have two SKU, the one that goes into the PS6/Xbox and then then some cutdown version of it

就那个说我们会拿到9080的爆料？AMD已经死了老哥，他们没市场份额，没希望，现在卖GPU根本没未来，整个研发都是索尼掏的钱，他们可能就俩SKU——一个是进PS6/Xbox的，然后一个阉割版。

>>109433261

5070ti is slower than 9070xt anyways.

反正5070ti也比9070xt慢。

5070ti:

Pixel Rate

像素填充率

235.4 GPixel/s

235.4 G像素/秒

Texture Rate

纹理填充率

686.6 GTexel/s

686.6 GTexel/秒

FP16 (half)

FP16（半精度）

43.94 TFLOPS (1:1)

FP32 (float)

FP32（单精度）

43.94 TFLOPS

FP64 (double)

FP64（双精度）

686.6 GFLOPS (1:64)

Transistors

45,600 million

456亿

9070xt:

Pixel Rate

像素填充率

380.2 GPixel/s

380.2 G像素/秒

Texture Rate

纹理填充率

760.3 GTexel/s

760.3 GTexel/秒

FP16 (half)

FP16（半精度）

97.32 TFLOPS (2:1)

FP32 (float)

FP32（单精度）

48.66 TFLOPS

FP64 (double)

FP64（双精度）

1.521 TFLOPS (1:32)

Transistors

53,900 million

539亿

you have to be retarded to pay more for less

花更多钱买更少性能，那真是脑子有病。

>>109433288

no, leaks right here in this thread

不，爆料就在这帖子里。

People on this website are either beyond retarded or bots, I won't even bother giving them You's.

这网站的人要么蠢到没边要么就是机器人，我懒得再搭理他们了。

>5070ti is slower than 9070xt anyways.

>5070ti反正比9070xt慢。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638224850385.gif

>>109433296

what cpu/gpu exists out there where less transistors is faster than more transistors?

什么CPU/GPU能做到晶体管更少反而更快？

>>109433302

His Spongebob PC

他的海绵宝宝主机

>>109433274

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638378249910.jpg

>>109433295

Case & Point >>109433296

例子和论据 >>109433296

>>109433302

>transistors

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638460006393.gif

>>109433171

this tbqh

确实如此

>>109433296

the 5070ti at times is like 30% slower than the 9070xt in multiple cod games.

5070ti在某些COD游戏里有时候比9070xt慢30%。

>>109433292

nvidia being shits as usual award

又臭又烂N卡日常奖

>>109433334

and thats just on Windows. On Linux 9070xt is always better than Nvidia.

而且这还是Windows上的情况。Linux上9070xt永远比N卡强。

>cod games

>cod游戏

OK i cant, have fun anons i'll be back when DLSS 4.5 RR comes out to post some benchmarks and laugh at AMDcopers

好吧我不行了，大家玩得开心，等DLSS 4.5 RR出来我再回来发点跑分，顺便嘲笑一下AMD信徒。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638683093225.png

>slowly, I began to hate them

>慢慢地，我开始恨他们了

>>109433226

He is.funnily enough after shilling the 9070 XT for months on the last christmas stream he ended up accidently revealing her daugther pc has a 5080 lmao

他还真是这样。上次圣诞直播里吹了几个月9070 XT之后，结果不小心漏出他女儿电脑装的是5080，笑死。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785638878309292.png

Has theres been a person who goes "Im into gaming and pc graphics" who simultaneously doesn't care about nvidia featureset.

有没有那种自称“我喜欢游戏和PC画质”的人，同时却不关心NVIDIA的功能套件？

It seems weird to go invest into a gaming pc and ending up with an amd gpu, like what are you doing with your life.

跑去组一台游戏PC结果选AMD显卡，这看起来就很怪，你到底在过什么日子啊。

basically, nvidia gives free videocards to influencers, and so zoomies think the 5070 is worth buying. but of course the influencer gets free stuff worth hundreds of dollars, so they will push nvidia.

基本上就是，NVIDIA免费送显卡给网红，然后年轻人就以为5070值得买。但当然网红拿的是价值几百美元的免费货，所以他们肯定会吹NVIDIA。

nvidia is broadly a consumer scam. while xx90 and xx80 have long been quite powerful, the rest of the lineup has massive cost savings, essentially they are selling garbage.

NVIDIA总体上就是坑消费者的玩意儿。虽然xx90和xx80一直很强，但剩下那些型号大幅缩水，基本上就是在卖垃圾。

>>109433373

>nvidia featureset

>NVIDIA功能套件

words of a shill. fsr is continuing to close the gap with dlss in all but having the same name

这就是托儿的话。FSR一直在缩小和DLSS的差距，就差名字不一样了。

this is an example of a trained shill post:

这就是个训练有素的托儿发帖范例：

>109433288

read carefully, and learn about your adversary the devil, who prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour (it's your wallet, you'll buy another garbage sub 80 class nvidia card)

仔细读，了解一下你的对手魔鬼，他像吼叫的狮子四处游走，寻找可吞吃的人（那就是你的钱包，你会再买一张垃圾的80级别以下的N卡）。

>>109433366

>>109433373

>broken english

>蹩脚英语

>nvidia shilling

>吹NVIDIA

nvidia aren't sending their best

NVIDIA派来的不是精锐啊。

>>109433383

I refuse to allow the idea that upscaling is good for the gamer.

我坚决不认同超分辨率对玩家有好处这种说法。

jagged lines put hair on your chest.

锯齿线才能让你爷们儿起来。

also, pop-up makes motion more obvious at a distance than doubling the resolution would. eg the enemy walks over a featureless crest.

而且，在远距离下，物体突然出现的闪烁比分辨率翻倍更容易暴露运动。比如敌人走过一个毫无特征的坡顶。

>>109433399

(me)

but the really big problem with ai features is they lull you into thinking your game is *that* when actually your resolution or framerate is actually much lower. So you will think you are being robbed, or that people are hacking (why couldn't you see them???!) well, this is all because you used ai to gloss over the raw facts of your actual game state.

但AI功能真正的大问题是，它会让你以为你的游戏画质就*那样*，实际上你的分辨率或帧率低得多。所以你会觉得自己被坑了，或者觉得别人开挂（为什么你看不见他们？！？！）哎，这一切都是因为你用AI掩盖了你实际游戏状态的真相。

ofc games also lie to you with network code, but why add another liar to the mix?

当然游戏也通过网络代码跟你撒谎，但为什么还要再加一个骗子进来？ ♯ 用超采样技术的唯一正确方式，就是把基础渲染分辨率设为100%，就像DLAA那样。

>>109433373

Digital Foundry made a very good video about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOqPuwZ-xs

>>109433399

the only way to use upscaling tech right is to set the base render resolution to 100% like in DLAA

唯一正确使用升频技术的方式，是把基础渲染分辨率设为100%，就像DLAA那样。

>>109433394

they are POWERLESS in the face of the AMD shills because the AMD shill uniform (pic related) makes them tremble in fear.

他们在AMD信徒面前毫无还手之力，因为AMD信徒的标配制服（见图）能把他们吓得发抖。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785639403090886.png

>>109433417

idk what that is, but people will ban you for "hacking" if you turn off anti aliasing, because you'll see their motion across entire maps.

我不知道那是什么，但如果你关掉抗锯齿，别人会因为你“开挂”把你封了，因为你能在整张地图上看到他们的移动。

>>109433207

can't believe I overlooked that thanks Anon

不敢相信我居然忽略了这一点，谢了Anon。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785639799856328.jpg

>>109433416

They're visibly struggling because they know they cant offend people for their purchasing decision, monopoly is inherently bad for their hobby so they have to maintain the idea that amd is a fine choice.

他们明显在挣扎，因为他们知道不能因为别人买什么就去冒犯人家，垄断对他们的爱好天生就是坏事，所以他们得维持“AMD是个还不错的选择”这种说法。

At the same time they're admitting one company has been much better for features and support and they're not buying the other companys products for themselves or their family.

与此同时，他们又承认有一家公司在功能和支援上明显更好，而且他们自己或家人都不买另一家的产品。

Can we go back to talking about PSUs, undervolting, mouse, speakers, and monitors?

我们能回到聊电源、降压、鼠标、音箱和显示器的话题吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785640394884438.png

>>109433511

How do I undervolt my mouse?

怎么给我的鼠标降压？

Should I get speakers with a monitor?

我应该配显示器的同时买音箱吗？

How do I overclock my PSU?

怎么给电源超频？

>>109433511

this shit is like god mode for gaming

这玩意儿对打游戏来说简直是开挂模式

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785640881133696.png

>>109433373

imagine being a ps3 ass nvidia gamer in 2006

想想2006年当个PS3时代的NVIDIA玩家有多爽

>>109433544

resistor mod

电阻改法

yes you should get studio monitors

对，你应该买录音室监听音箱

buck boost converter

升降压转换器

>>109433416

>>109433500

they should have thought long and hard before accepting special treatment early access rights from nvidia, kek

他们在接受NVIDIA特殊待遇的抢先体验权限之前应该好好想清楚，哈哈

it's too late to for things to turn around now

现在想扭转局面已经太晚了

>>109433621

schizoshit

6090 when? How much will it cost?

6090什么时候出？要多少钱？

>>109433511

there's nothing new to discuss until we get zen6 or novalake

在拿到zen6或novalake之前没什么新东西可聊的

why not go with a basic 8gb cheap set up if we cant afford to get BLACKED by Blackwell?

要是我们买不起被Blackwell狠狠地宰，干嘛不搞个基础8GB的便宜配置？

>>109433649

Because the minimums are 12GB (Arc B580) and 16GB (RX 9060xt).

因为最低配置要求是12GB（Arc B580）和16GB（RX 9060xt）。

>>109433637

$6090

>>109433637

Probably 2028, and yes.

大概2028年吧，对。

>>109433649

Idk, none of these hardware releases make sense to me. Why release steam machine at 1.2k €

不知道，这些硬件发布我一个都想不通。为什么出个1.2k欧的Steam机器？

Why release a console at >1k €

为什么出个超过1k欧的主机？

Why make a gpu at >1k €

为什么出个超过1k欧的显卡？

Your economices of scale go down since people flat out cant afford your shit.

规模效应就没了，因为人们根本买不起你那破玩意儿。

Either memory prices go down or the hardware companies should delay releases. For sony it makes more sense to just extend ps5 gen. Nvidia sells old gpus for consumers and new stuff for datacenters.

要么内存降价，要么硬件公司该推迟发布。对索尼来说，延长PS5世代更合理。NVIDIA把旧卡卖给消费者，新品全给数据中心。

>>109433664

for what? the most hardcore game on steam?

为了啥？Steam上最硬核的游戏？

>>109433637

Not happening, hence RTX Spark.

不会发生的，所以才出了RTX Spark。

>>109433375

The 80 cards are overpriced garbage now, the real value is the 5070ti and the 5090 or at least it was until the RAMpocalypse happened.

80系列现在就是溢价垃圾，真正的价值在5070ti和5090，或者至少在山寨内存灾难之前是这样。

>>109433735

There's ridiculous demand for 5090s because of the AIpocalypse, as well. And that won't stop anytime soon.

5090的需求也因AI灾难离谱高涨。而且短期内不会停。

>>109433746

5090s havent increased in marketshare on the steam hw survey for the last 3 months. im thinking its just classic nvidia under supply pushing prices up

5090在Steam硬件调查里的市场份额连续三个月没涨。我觉得就是经典NVIDIA限量供货推高价格。

>>109433678

>Why release steam machine at 1.2k €

>为什么出个1.2k欧的Steam机器

>Why release a console at >1k €

>为什么出个超过1k欧的主机

>Why make a gpu at >1k €

>为什么出个超过1k欧的显卡

Because the price of vram is high, the product is ready and not releasing it is a bigger water then releasing it at $1k+ and selling less than expected.

因为显存价格高，产品已经做好了，不发布比以1k+美元发布然后销量低于预期更亏。

how did gaming got expensive

游戏怎么变得这么贵了

>>109433746

I meant for gaming, for AI the 5090 is the best followed by the other 90 cards, then the Pro lineup.

我说的是游戏用途，AI的话5090最好，然后是其他90系列卡，再然后是Pro产品线。

>>109433792

companies with infinite imaginary money will pay more for the same things

有无限虚拟货币的公司会为同样的东西付更多钱

>>109433792

Iran. If we had let Israel destroy those Shia dogs then everything would’ve been fine.

伊朗。要是我们让以色列消灭那些什叶派狗东西，一切都会好好的。

>>109433792

TSMC is too good, we can't just live on defective 5090 dies.

台积电太强了，我们不能光靠5090的废片活着。

No, those Shia pigs are to blame for prices rising

不，那些什叶派猪才是价格涨的罪魁祸首

I fully support the total and utter destruction of that satanic shia state known as Iran

我完全支持彻底毁灭那个叫伊朗的撒旦什叶派国家

>don't pay for TV because its a robbery

>不付费看电视因为那是抢劫

>pay for a cheap annual IPTV subscription so I can watch all my sportsball

>买个便宜的年度IPTV订阅好让我看所有体育比赛

>IPTV app uses an an open source mpv player

>IPTV应用用的是开源的mpv播放器

>found out today the community have written scripts to enable RTX VSR in the player which are just drag and drop files into a script folder

>今天发现社区写了脚本在这个播放器里启用RTX VSR，就是拖放文件到脚本文件夹的事

>720/1080p video feeds now scale super nicely to my 4K TV

>720/1080p视频流现在在我的4K电视上缩放得超级好

Nvidia really are the kings of tech and features. If you've ever used lossless scaling to upscale video, this is a whole other level of quality.

Nvidia真的是技术和功能之王。如果你用过无损缩放来升级视频，这完全是另一个质量等级。

Are there any anons here who moved from 3840x2160p displays to ultrawide 3440x1440p monitors? How is that like, really? I'm pretty used to daily-driving my 32" 2160P IPS monitor, but I'm intrigued by the prospect of more recent tandem OLED 21:9 ultrawides. Most of the games I play would be compatible, and the res would be easier to run too. Though, I really can't tell how much I'd miss the crisp PPI of my current display. I used to run 1440p on another cheap LCD, but it's been so long that I don't know if it'd feel 'bad' or not to switch back down. I just got my current 2160p monitor ages ago for crisper text clarity, but that's not a strict necessity for my workflow anymore.

有没有哪位匿友从3840x2160p显示器换到超宽3440x1440p显示器的？那感觉到底怎么样？我很习惯日常用我的32寸2160P IPS显示器，但对新出的串联OLED 21:9超宽屏很感兴趣。我玩的大部分游戏都兼容，而且分辨率也更好跑。不过，我实在不知道会多怀念现在显示器的清晰PPI。我以前用过另一台便宜LCD跑1440p，但好久以前的事了，不知道降回去会不会觉得“烂”。我当时买2160p显示器主要是为了更清晰的文字，但现在我那工作流程里也不严格要求了。

>>109433875

>>720/1080p video feeds now scale super nicely to my 4K TV

>>720/1080p视频流现在在我的4K电视上缩放得超级好

What kind of dog shit IPTV service doesn't transmit in 4k.

什么狗屎IPTV服务还不传4K？

>>109433902

Depends on the feed. My service has 4k channels but some of the live event streams are 720p or 1080p unless I can find a specific channel streaming it in 4k. This RTX VSR implementation covers all possible scenarios for me now. If I can find a 4K stream then great, if I cant then j still get great AI upscaling to 4k.

看信号源。我的服务有4K频道，但有些直播流是720p或1080p，除非我能找到专门4K直播的频道。这个RTX VSR实现现在能覆盖我所有的情况。能找到4K流最好，找不到的话我还是能获得很棒AI升级到4K。

>>109433792

nvidia psychology

英伟达心理学

Is there any reason to get a soundcard these days? The AE-9 looks like a lot of what I want on paper.

现在还有理由买声卡吗？AE-9在纸面上看起来挺符合我需求的。

I've been recommended Lian Li SL Infinity fans as replacement fans to keep my gayming Linux AMD pc cool.

有人推荐我换Lian Li SL Infinity风扇来给我那gayming Linux AMD主机散热。

How are these fans?

这风扇怎么样？

Also I plan to replace my power supply with a MAG A1200PLS PCIE5 Power supply unit.

我还打算把电源换成MAG A1200PLS PCIE5电源。

How is that PSU?

那个电源如何？

I took my GPU to a repair guy and one guy said the graphics cards might be fine and it might just be the PSU that is causing the problems. But I'm unsure. If that is the case then what is the best way to check if I have a warranty on corsair PSU assuming it is damaged.

我把显卡拿去修了，一个师傅说显卡可能没问题，可能只是电源引起的问题。但我不确定。如果是那样的话，最好怎么查我的海盗船电源有没有保修，假设它坏了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785645816381761.jpg

>>109434038

bad idea

坏主意

windows is required to run lianli's software that controls the usb hub

需要Windows才能运行Lianli控制USB hub的软件

What's the best big thing to conceal a full tower PC case inside if I have to transport my PC to a repair shop for it to be inspected? I know there is something wrong with my PC.

如果要带我的PC去维修店检查，有什么最好的大东西把全塔机箱藏里面？我知道我的电脑有问题。

I plan to use a taxi or an Uber for this.

我打算叫出租车或Uber去。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785645975427527.jpg

>>109433665

that would be good tho IF 48gb and at least 30% uplift across the board over a blackwell 6000

那倒是好，如果48GB且比黑猴6000全线提升至少30%

>>109434051

a bag

一个包

>>109434045

>bad idea

>馊主意

Figured. I use a Linux system.

猜到了。我用Linux系统。

What's the closest equivalent or even better to those but without RGB then so I don't need extra software for them?

那有什么最接近的替代品或者更好的，但没RGB，这样我就不需要额外软件控制？

>>109434063

those lian li fans are nothing special in terms of cooling. the best fans are still made by noctua, arctic, phanteks etc. the king of the hill right now is noctua's A12X25 G2 fans but they're pricy

那些联力风扇在散热上没什么特别之处。最好的风扇还是猫头鹰、阿筐、Phanteks之类的。现在王者是猫头鹰的A12X25 G2风扇，但很贵。

>>109434054

It will be 30% uplift and 32gb max, and it will cost $6k unless we get super cheap gddr7 by then.

会是30%提升且32GB上限，而且会卖6千美元，除非到时候我们有超便宜的GDDR7。

>>109434072

Which one of those are the best bang for one's buck?

这些里哪个性价比最好？

Noctua is pricey, but the price just seems a tad bit much for me and may have to swap/replace for new fans in the future.

猫头鹰确实贵，但那个价格对我来说还是有点过头了，以后可能还得换新风扇，得折腾一下。

>>109434051

A box

一个盒子

>>109434078

Best bang for buck is Arctic

性价比之王还得是Arctic

>>109434055

I'm assuming you aren't trolling. What kind of bag? I thought about an airport luggage bag, but I'm not sure yet.

我猜你不是在钓鱼吧。你说的什么包？我考虑过机场行李包，但还没定。

>>109434081

something that fits the case

得能装下机箱的那种

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785646571032852.png

>>109432894

a 9070 and a 9070xt walk into the bar

一个9070和一个9070xt走进了酒吧

the bar tender says, sorry son we don't serve minors here

酒保说，抱歉孩子，我们不接待未成年

>>109434077

sauce?

>>109434101

They should be moving onto tsmc N2 or at worse n3 from n4 so 30% should be easy for them to hit. Of course everything is speculation.

他们应该会从N4升级到台积电N2，最差也是N3，所以30%的性能提升对他们来说应该不难达到。当然，一切都是猜测。

>>109434101

his ass. not even the best nvidia leakers have said anything about next gen. we don't even know how wide the memory busses will be across the lineup let alone know about specific hardware specs like memory technology used, GBs of memory or performance.

他说的没影的事儿。连最牛的老黄爆料者都没提下一代的事。我们连整个产品线的显存位宽都不知道，更别说具体硬件规格了，比如用的什么显存技术、多少GB显存或性能。

>>109434114

bruh...

>>109434127

>not even the best nvidia leakers have said anything about next gen

>连最牛的老黄爆料者都没提下一代的事

So is Nvidia just gonna give AMD one whole year of being top dog with rdna5.

所以英伟达就这么打算让AMD靠RDNA5当一整年的老大？

>>109434148

thats a pretty big assumption you are making.

你这假设下得有点大啊。

>>109434148

that's what the 800W 5090ti is for

那就是给800W的5090ti准备的。

>>109434023

You're probably better off buying an external USB DAC & headphone amp (if you need the latter) at that +$400 price.

花那额外的$400，你不如买个外接USB DAC和耳机放大器（如果你需要后者的话）。

>>109434038

>MAG A1200PLS PCIE5 Power supply unit.

>MAG A1200PLS PCIE5电源。

>How is that PSU?

>这电源咋样？

It's fine, a B-tier PSU (very good / best value) according to a reliable PSU reviewer.

还行，按一个靠谱的电源评测者的说法，属于B级电源（很好/最划算）。

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>what is the best way to check if I have a warranty on corsair PSU assuming it is damaged.

>假设我的海盗船电源坏了，查保修最好的办法是什么？

You need to identify the exact model of your Corsair PSU (ex. RM750e) to know whether you unit is within the coverage period.

你得先确认你的海盗船电源具体型号（比如RM750e），才能知道你的设备是否在保修期内。

Some cheaper PSUs come with five or seven year warranties.

有些便宜的电源只带五年或七年保修。

After that, you go through the entire RMA application, get ready to take photos of the PSU that shoes the product model & serial number.

之后，你要走完整的RMA申请流程，还要准备好拍电源的照片，得拍清楚产品型号和序列号。

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025379691-Warranty-How-do-I-get-a-replacement-for-a-defective-product

You can also send a deposit to Corsair if you want to use their advance exchange RMA service, they will refund the deposit after they receive your defective PSU.

如果你想用他们的预换货RMA服务，也可以给海盗船交押金，他们收到你坏的电源后会把押金退回来。

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033324711-Customer-Service-Standard-RMA-Exchange-and-Advanced-RMA-Exchange-Explained

>>109434182

I just like the idea of everything being tied into one interface but you're probably right. The mic quality will probably be better if I get a separate interface.

我就是喜欢所有东西都整合到一个界面里的那种感觉，但你可能说得对。如果我买个独立接口，麦克风音质可能会更好。

>>109434188

The control module looks nice & compact.

控制模块看着挺漂亮又小巧。

You should read more info about the companion software if you're seriously considering it.

如果你认真考虑的话，还是多去看看配套软件的信息吧。

>>109433099

285K seem pretty overkill, but sub $300 is a good price.

285K看起来有点过度了，但低于$300是个好价钱。

>>109434278

Eh, from what I can tell, while SBX is nice, you can do the same thing for free with HeSuVi, the Scout mode is very niche, and with my CPU it's unlikely I'm really gonna be hurting for things to be like "oh yeah I definitely want hardware to handle that." It's still probably a perfectly good DAC/AMP but I already have an SMSL C200. I guess all that's left is to get an inline preamp for my SM58 and decide on what XLR-USB interface to get.

嗯，据我看来，虽然SBX不错，但你可以用HeSuVi免费实现同样效果，Scout模式又很冷门，而且以我的CPU来说，不太可能让我觉得“哦对，我肯定要硬件来处理这个。”这玩艺儿可能还是个不错的DAC/AMP，但我已经有SMSL C200了。我猜剩下要做的就是给我的SM58买一个串接前置放大器，然后决定买哪个XLR-USB接口。

I want to build a linux server that can run vanilla minecraft so my kids and their friends can play on it. I expect 2-5 players at most. What kind of hardware do I actually need?

我想搭一台能跑原版《我的世界》的 Linux 服务器，好让我家孩子和他们的朋友一起玩。最多也就 2 到 5 个人。到底需要什么样的硬件？

>>109434540

doubt you need more than a core2duo.

我觉得连酷睿双核都不用超过。

>>109434540

put more money towards a fast cpu and skimp on the gpu

预算多砸在 CPU 上，显卡能省就省。

something like a 9850x3d / 9950x3d plus a midrange rtx4060ti should be good

像 9850x3d / 9950x3d 加一块中端 RTX 4060 Ti 应该就够了。

>>109434603

So this really could just be a budget build from old parts I have?

所以说这其实用我手头那些旧零件搞个丐版配置就行？

>>109434627

oops i just noticed you meant a server, in which case you can skip the dgpu entirely

哦，我刚发现你说的是服务器，那显卡完全可以不要。

>>109434628

just give it like 4gigs of RAM because it's fucking java.

给个 4G 内存就够了，毕竟是 Java，贼吃内存。

>>109434636

They play on bedrock.

他们玩的是基岩版。

>>109434301

It was a microcenter deal, and I didn't have an intel platform yet.

那是 Micro Center 的促销，我当时还没有 Intel 平台。

Man, I hope intel sells core 370k for $300, I want to get a ryzen 10900 for peanuts.

哎，真希望 Intel 把 Core 370K 卖到 300 美元，我就想白菜价拿个 Ryzen 10900。

>>109434920

>Yjk that AMD will rebrand Ryzen in a retarded way and call the 10800x3d the Ryzen for AI 475x3d or something

>Yjk 说 AMD 会把 Ryzen 命名搞得很蠢，比如把 10800x3d 叫成 “面向 AI 的 Ryzen 475x3d” 之类的。

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Ci9WiGgfY

rdna6 is kill?

RDNA6 死了？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785658030149482.png

https://youtu.be/IbXnhQxEPG0?si=QiwE38SIu_cD4r5k&t=584

Oh no, no, noooooooooo

哦不，不不不不不不

>>109435009

RGB woled has shitty viewing angles now? Fuck

RGB WOLED 可视角度现在变烂了？操。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785658438394841.jpg

>>109433461

>>109433701

Hey /g/uise replying from the last thread about my PSU.

嘿，/g/ 的兄弟们，从上个帖子聊我电源那事儿过来的。

Unfortunately I couldn't find something above the RM1000x (the ATX 3.1 version) that would fit my budget and would arrive within the next week so I went with that option since I need my PC for work.

可惜我没找到比 RM1000x（ATX 3.1 版）更合适、能在我预算内并且一周内到货的，所以只能选它了，因为我工作还得用电脑。

I would have prefered the 1200x version but I guess that I rarely use my 4090 at max load anyways.

我本来更想要 1200x 版本，但想想我其实很少把 4090 拉到满载。

Of course, I got myself a powersurge rated at 2000VA/2000W from a trusted brand.

当然，我也买了个靠谱品牌的电涌保护器，2000VA/2000W。

I'm scared shitless about any of my other components being fucked by the thunderstorm so I'm a bit anxious right now but I've checked the pins and there's no damage or any ozone/burned smell so it should be ok, anyways, thanks for the help.

雷暴天我特别怕别的部件被搞坏，现在有点慌，但我检查过针脚，没损伤，也没有臭氧味或烧焦味，应该没事。总之，谢谢帮忙。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785659332571614.jpg

>>109435108

i hope you 4090 model is asus and not any other brand that uses terrible AOZ powerstages

希望你的 4090 是华硕的，别是其他那些用了烂 AOZ 功率管的牌子。

>>109432894

Cute

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785659913670110.jpg

>>109434182

Thanks!

>best value

>性价比最高

What's a good or even better equivalent that provides the same wattage?

有什么好的或者更好的替代品，能提供同样的瓦数？

Also thanks for the advice on corsair PSUs. Are Corsair PSUs actually good and I just got a bad one?

另外谢谢关于海盗船电源的建议。海盗船电源到底靠谱不靠谱，还是说我刚好碰上一个坏的？

I have an interest in MAG A1200PLS because it offers this safeguard thing for GPUs. I'm not sure if that is a genuine advertising point.

我对 MAG A1200PLS 有点兴趣，因为它有这个 GPU 保护功能。我不确定这是不是只是噱头。

I'd love for maybe a better option(s) with the same features as the MAG advertises. But also with good warranties and return chances.

我希望有和 MAG 宣传功能差不多的更好选择，同时保修和退货政策也要好。

>>109435137

Actually yeah, it's an ASUS TUF

其实对，我这是华硕 TUF。

Do you say this because of the PSU I ordered or because of what has been happening?

你这么说是因为我订的电源，还是因为最近发生的事儿？

>>109434987

Makes sense, they'd have to go to 10070xt after the 9070xt and that sounds retarded, better to start with some new naming concept for next gen.

有道理，9070 XT 之后他们只能叫 10070 XT 了，听着就蠢，下一代干脆换个新命名体系更好。

>>109435165

alpha omega semiconductor (AOZ) is just a long time dealer of the worst bargain bin powerstages that fail in a way that kills gpu chips. its often found on brands that cut corners like gigabyte, zotac, palit etc.

Alpha Omega Semiconductor（AOZ）一直以来就是个专供垃圾堆里最烂功率管的奸商，那玩意儿坏了会直接弄死显卡核心。常见于技嘉、索泰、栢能这些爱偷工减料的品牌。

heck, even Galax uses AOZ for the vram power rail on their crazy premium 4090 HOF which defeats the purpose of having a reliable extreme OC board

说真的，就连 Galax 在他们那款超贵的 4090 HOF 上，显存供电也都用了 AOZ，完全违背了搞一块可靠极限超频卡的初衷。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785660371988641.png

>>109432894

5090 going up to 5k$? If only they managed to get up fix their connectors shit for all that money.

5090要涨到5000美元？要是他们能花这么多钱把自己那个破烂接口修好就好了。

>>109435009

>>109435032

QD OLED has been superior to WOLED from the moment it came out, only thing WOLED had going for it was peak brightness but QD OLED is starting to catch up to them even on that. I remember looking at a QD OLED and a WOLED in the store and even with the bright lights I could see that WOLED was inferior.

QD OLED从一出来就比WOLED强，WOLED唯一拿得出手的就是峰值亮度，但QD OLED在这上面也开始追上来了。我记得在店里看过QD OLED和WOLED对比，就算灯光很亮我也看得出来W OLED差一截。

>>109435194

Yeah, just searched the term and I'm super glad that I went with the ASUS one when it was released.

是啊，刚搜了下这个词，我超庆幸当时发售的时候选了华硕那款。

I live in the middle of the woods living the hermit life and the electricity here is insane. About a year ago, it fried some of my music production equipment (my synths are all fucked up, specially the knobs feelsbadman), even with good voltage regulators and whatnot.

我住在树林深处过着隐士生活，这儿的电简直离谱。大概一年前，电把我一些音乐制作设备搞坏了（我的合成器全废了，特别是旋钮，太难受了），就算有好的稳压器之类的东西也没用。 ⁾ 说实话我很惊讶我的4090能撑这么久。大概两年前有一天，一场特别严重的雷暴，连一个旧灯泡都炸了，我的电脑开始出现严重的图形花屏。我以为要完蛋了，但我反应很快，几个小时后重新开机，显卡居然恢复正常了。

Honestly I'm impressed that my the 4090 has survived for so long. One day around 2 years ago I had a specially bad thunderstorm and even an old lightbulb exploded and my PC started having hard graphic glitches. I thought I was toast but I acted quickly and somehow my GPU was normal after I turned my PC on a few hours later.

说实话，我很惊讶我的4090能撑这么久。大约两年前的一天，有场特别严重的雷暴，甚至一个旧灯泡都爆了，我的电脑也开始出现严重的图形故障。我以为这下完了，但我反应快，几个小时后重新开机，不知怎么的显卡居然恢复正常了。

I guess I'll have to wait for next week to see what happened.

我想只能等下周看看结果了。

>>109435222

Nvidia is not abandoning 12VHPWR because their cards look better with 1 connector instead of needing to use 4+ 8 pin connectors. Their fans prefer it too since it's easier to install with only one cable.

Nvidia不会放弃12VHPWR，因为一个接口比要用四五个8-pin更好看。他们的粉丝也喜欢，因为只要一根线更好装。

>>109435226

yeah, qdoled has higher brightness levels on their rgb stripe versus lg's rgb striped woleds

对，QD OLED的RGB像素条亮度比LG的RGB条纹WOLED更高。

the only thing that's better on woled is their lower ambient light reflectivity

WOLED唯一更好的地方就是环境光反射率更低。

>>109434987

that is HUGE for amd. Tom thinks that going forward, the unified architecture will let AMD produce big gpu dies every single generation since it'll be funded by workstations/datacentres where any unsold yields can be rebranded as a productivity card.

这对AMD来说太重要了。Tom觉得以后统一架构能让AMD每一代都出大GPU芯片，因为工作站和数据中心会买单，卖不出去的良品可以重新贴牌成生产力显卡。

Simply put, there won't be any generations like polaris, rdna1 or rdna4 without a highend gpu anymore if their strategy holds

简单说，如果这个策略能稳住，以后就不会再有像Polaris、RDNA1或RDNA4那种没有高端卡的世代了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785661403195863.jpg

>>109435279

Only reason rdna4 didn't have a high end card was because their GPU chiplet design didn't work out like they wanted with rdna3 so they had to switch back to monolithic design and could only do 2 dies, a low end and a midbtier one.

RDNA4没高端卡唯一原因是他们的GPU小芯片设计在RDNA3上没达到预期，所以只能回到单芯片设计，只能做两款芯片，一个低端一个中端。

>>109432894

Can you fine /g/entlemen recommend me a good gaming monitor for under 180 Canadian leafbucks?

请问各位/g/entlemen能推荐一款180加元以内的好游戏显示器吗？

Also are large desktop mouse pads really a good thing?

还有，大的桌面鼠标垫真的好吗？

I bought a small desk for my small room so the desk space is gonna make things a bit awkward to balance fitting the pad on the computer desk's top and also fitting the monitor on the desk behind it as I think the stands aren't supposed to be balanced on the large desk covering mousepads.

我小房间买了张小桌子，桌面空间有点紧张，既要放鼠标垫，又要把显示器放在它后面的桌上，因为感觉支架不应该压在那种铺满桌子的鼠标垫上。

>>109433107

atleast it has 24 hour pixel refresh but ideally it should have no timer forced

至少它有24小时像素刷新，但理想情况应该没有强制计时器。

so it's on par with msi shitters

所以跟微星那些垃圾货一个水平。

old firmware models and monitors still have 16

老固件型号和显示器还是16。

>>109433900

or u can just buy 5k2k woled or soon rgb woled ultrawides

或者你也可以直接买5K2K的WOLED，或者快出的RGB WOLED超宽带鱼屏。

which btw will still lose to qdoled i'ts over

顺便说，这些还是会输给QD OLED，完蛋了。

>>109435009

I was gonna post this now saw it yesterday

我本来想现在发的，昨天才看到

>>109435032

>now

>>109435494

you are relegated to what ips slop you can find in 24-27" as much hz as u can get

你只能沦落到找24-27寸里能搞到的IPS垃圾货，能多高刷新率就多高

u know u can get monitor arms to free up desk space

你知道可以搞显示器支架来腾出桌面空间吧

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785670147471077.png

>>109435226

>only thing WOLED had going for it was peak brightness but QD OLED is starting to catch up to them even on that.

>WOLED唯一的优势就是峰值亮度，但QD OLED连这块都快追上它们了。

bruh look at this dooood oh oh no no no no ooooooooohooooooo

卧槽看这哥们儿哦哦不不不不哦哦哦哦哦哦

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785670232287127.jpg

why are RDNA3/4 memory temps so high? Is it because they overclocked gddr6 to the moon?

为啥RDNA3/4显存温度这么高？是因为他们把GDDR6超到天上了吗？

I've noticed some of those temps look like novideo gddr6x ampere mining temps at times

我注意到有些温度看着像NVIDIA GDDR6X安培矿卡那时候的温度

>>109435990

>atleast it has 24 hour pixel refresh but ideally it should have no timer forced

>至少有24小时像素刷新，但理想情况下根本不该强制计时

that makes it a hard pass

那这就直接劝退了

thanks for the heads up

谢了提醒

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785670912328785.jpg

>>109436033

memory temps on my 9070 XT are alright but apparently that's due to Samsung GGDR6 clocking worse, which would make your assertion correct

我的9070 XT显存温度还挺正常，但据说是因为三星的GDDR6超频能力差点，所以你的说法应该是对的

>>109436004

who gives a shit about bright highlights like these, I want to play videogames, not get blinded by the sun's reflection on the terrain.

谁特么在乎这种亮瞎眼的高光啊，我想玩游戏，不是想被地面反光闪瞎眼。

>>109436033

It's due to the gddr6 chips they use afaik

据我所知是用的GDDR6颗粒的问题

The hynix g6 20gbps 2gb chips used has tighter timings and runs toasty while cards that ship with Samsung g6 20gbps 2gb chips are running looser timings and run 8C or so cooler (with a -2% performance cost)

他们用的海力士G6 20Gbps 2GB颗粒时序更紧跑起来很烫，而那些用三星G6 20Gbps 2GB颗粒的卡时序更松，温度低大概8度（代价是2%的性能损失）

>>109436078

>>109436222

damn, on my 5070ti I don't see memory temps above mid 60s even while doing vulkan memtest

靠，我的5070ti就算跑vulkan memtest显存温度也没超过60度中段

Might get this bundle for a sff case, aio cooler, and 850w power supply. Can I get a recommendation on a CPU + mobo? I have 16 GB of ddr4 and a 4060ti 16gb but I'm willing to buy ddr5.

可能想入这套装组装个SFF机箱，配个AIO水冷和850W电源。能推荐下CPU加主板吗？我现在有16GB DDR4和一块4060ti 16GB，不过也愿意买DDR5。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785672656471325.png

>>109436247

The g7 chips on the 5070ti is running a factory downclock so it's one of the cooler running vram chips

5070ti上的G7颗粒出厂就降频了，所以是最凉快的显存颗粒之一

They're really designed for 32gbps but down binned by Samsung to 28gbps for yields but most of them do 32-34gbps without issues

这些本来是设计跑32Gbps的，但三星为了良率降到28Gbps，不过大部分都能无压力跑32-34Gbps

>>109436271

I can push it to 32-33 gbps and gain fuckall in framerate at native 4k

我能超到32-33Gbps，但在原生4K下帧数提升屁用没有

maybe 1-3 fps at best kek

最多也就提升1-3帧吧，哈哈

>>109436286

5070ti is the least bandwidth starved card of the Blackwell family

5070ti是Blackwell家族里最不缺带宽的卡

Based on the ratio of cuda cores to memory bandwidth, I'd think that the 5090 (and maybe 5080) would gain more from vram OC

按CUDA核心和显存带宽的比例来看，我猜5090（可能还有5080）超显存收益会更大

Which maker's 9070XT should I go for if my priorities are 1. Low noise 2. Low temp 3. Performance (I don't really care that much about a few extra frames on an already performant card). I see the Asrock Taichi is supposedly a cool and quiet one but it also has the dreaded cable melting connector instead of 3x8pin so I am hesitant.

如果我的优先级是1.低噪音 2.低温 3.性能（在一块本来就很强的卡上我不太在乎多几帧），该选哪家的9070XT？听说华擎太极又凉又安静，但它用的是那个吓人的烧接口而不是3x8pin，所以我很犹豫。

I regret buying a 5080 the GeForce Nvidia drivers suck

我后悔买5080了，GeForce的NVIDIA驱动烂得要死

>>109436546

Am on Linux but I still am waffling because CUDA>ROCM, NVENC>VCN, DLSS>FSR (this last one is pretty close now actually).

我在用Linux，但我还是纠结，因为CUDA>ROCM、NVENC>VCN、DLSS>FSR（最后这个现在其实已经差不多了）。

I'll probably just get AMD though for pure performance per buck and kernel level support. A lot of stores near me have like a million Nvidia GPUs in stock and AMD is like "we can order this shit it might take two weeks idk lol". Says a lot about how close to a monopoly Nvidia is now.

不过为了纯性能和性价比以及内核级支持，我可能还是会选AMD。我家附近很多店N卡库存多到爆，AMD那边就是“我们可以订这玩意儿，可能要等两周，说不好哈哈”。这很说明老黄现在离垄断有多近了。

>>109436539

>Low temp

>低温

>9070XT

Lol. I have the MSI Arkveld edition, isn't terribly hot on its own but I hope you live in the north

哈哈，我的是 MSI 阿尔克维德限定版，本身不算特别烫，但希望你住在北方。

So I get it, RAM prices AND SSD prices AND GPU prices are through the roof.

所以我懂了，内存价格、SSD 价格还有 GPU 价格全都高得离谱。

But why don't we get any discounts on the other components like CPU, motherboards and PSU?

但为什么其他配件像 CPU、主板和电源就没点折扣呢？

>>109436539

The bigger the heatsink the better it's all public info

散热器越大越好，这都是公开信息。

>>109436601

the last time I checked high end boards have been doing nothing but dropping in price.

我上次看的时候，高端主板价格一直在降。

>>109436601

go look at a price tracker, that's exactly what's happening.

去看价格追踪器，那正是发生的事。

>>109432894

homosexual monstrosity build

同性恋怪物级装机。

>>109436601

CPU Mobo and PSU do have massive discounts though just go to Newegg or Microcenter or Best Buy

CPU、主板和电源确实有大折扣，去 Newegg 或 Microcenter 或 Best Buy 看看就行。

>>109436601

You can get 20 Intel cores for the same price of 8 gay AMD cores.

你可以用 8 个基佬 AMD 核心的钱买到 20 个 Intel 核心。

>>109436613

>>109436616

>>109436621

Maybe it's because I'm in Europe but I don't see it, or at least not nearly enough of a discount at all.

可能因为我在欧洲吧，但我没看到，或者至少折扣力度完全不够。

Europoors getting fucked in the ass as usual

欧洲穷鬼照常被爆菊。

FUCK my faggot life, this is the second faulty DP80 cord I've bought just fucking rape me. This cord at least doesn't have any artifacting so it's usable for now but it can't do 5120x2160 165hz at 10bit/HDR without DSC because its FUCKED its like capped around 54gbps link speed before it dies without dsc. I am emailing silkland please send me a working cable for once in my life.

操他妈的死基佬生活，这是我买的第二条有毛病的 DP80 线了，直接强暴我吧。这条线至少没有画面撕裂，所以暂时能用，但没法在不开 DSC 的情况下跑 5120x2160 165Hz 10bit/HDR，因为它废了，链路速度大概被限制在 54gbps 左右，不然没 DSC 就死。我在给 silkland 发邮件，求他们这辈子给我寄条能用的线吧。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785676268131287.gif

>>109436643

or maybe it's a Nvidia driver issue

或者也许是 Nvidia 驱动的问题。

>>109436632

Well yeah no shit Europe is not a tech hub. Your senior programmers get paid less than American office interns here fresh out of college.

嗯，废话，欧洲又不是科技中心。你们的高级程序员拿的工资还没这里刚毕业的美国办公室实习生多。

>>109436643

what gpu do you have anon?

匿名你用什么显卡？

>>109436632

I see 9950x3d down from €650 to €550.

我看到 9950x3d 从 €650 降到 €550。

a platinum 750W PSU from bequiet down from €110 to €80~90

bequiet 的铂金 750W 电源从 €110 降到 €80~90。

random AM5 x870 mobo, ASUS TUF Gaming X870E-Plus WIFI7 (AMD AM5) down from €300 to €240.

随机一个 AM5 x870 主板，ASUS TUF Gaming X870E-Plus WIFI7（AMD AM5）从 €300 降到 €240。

Looking at prices between January and now.

看的是一月到现在的价格。

>>109436679

Yeah not really a steal I guess it's something

嗯，也不算大赚，但总归有点东西。

RTX 5080 owners are probably the dumbest GPU owners on the planet

RTX 5080 用户大概是地球上最蠢的显卡用户。

https://x.com/unikoshardware/status/2083157131507933535

>>109436731

Right up there with 7900xtx buyers desu

跟 7900xtx 买家并列吧，desu。

>>109436731

the only thing wrong with it is the price

它唯一的问题就是价格。

>>109436731

Truth Nuke

真相核弹

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785677986232454.jpg

>>109436819

Nonstop driver issues.

驱动问题不断。

>>109436796

7900xtx faster than 5080 in raster and 95% of all games are raster.

7900xtx 在光栅化上比 5080 快，而且 95% 的游戏都是光栅化。

>>109436845

LMAO!!!!!

>>109436819

It's the same die as the 5070ti but cucked even harder.

它跟 5070ti 是同一个核心，但被阉得更狠。

will i regret buying arc b580? its the most affordable new gpu in my third world country

买 arc b580 我会后悔吗？在我这第三世界国家它是最便宜的新显卡。

>>109436666

>>109436647

I have a 9070 xt, I have tried my old windows install and linux. I know its the cable anyway because the other cable had artifacting and this one doesn't its just that this one doesn't even try to hit the full bandwidth, and on windows I can't even enable 10bit color with this cable without dsc it really pisses me of. it just fails above 54gbps bandwidth and drops to like 40gbps dsc for 10bit. someone on REDDIT with the same cable and same issue said silkland sent them a new verified working one and it worked so they must do the same for me or else

我有 9070 xt，试过旧 Windows 系统和 Linux。我知道肯定是线的问题，因为另一条线有画面撕裂，这条没有，只是这条根本没打算跑满带宽，而且在 Windows 上没 DSC 连 10bit 颜色都打不开，真把我气死了。超过 54gbps 带宽就崩，然后掉到大概 40gbps DSC 来跑 10bit。REDDIT 上有人有同样的问题和线，说 silkland 给他们寄了条新验证能用的，结果就好了，所以他们也得这么对我，不然别怪我。

>>109436819

It's literally a 5070ti

它本质上就是 5070ti。

>>109436849

>>109436858

>>109436873

I have a 5070ti myself anons, can't say I've had driver issues tho

我自己有 5070ti，匿名们，我没碰上驱动问题。

t. w10 enjoyer

t. w10 爱好者。

>>109436909

nothing wrong with 5070ti. it is exactly what it is.

5070ti 没问题，它该是什么就是什么。

5080 is masquerading as a 5070ti but for a stupid price upcost.

5080就是披着5070ti皮的东西，但价格却蠢得要命地贵了一截。

>>109436845

lol wtf

哈哈哈卧槽

>>109436859

It's fine for 60fps at 1080p. Youtube is filled with videos for optimizing performance on games using weaker hardware, brother. A lot of the ultra settings have very little visual impact.

1080p跑60帧妥妥的。兄弟，YouTube上全是教你怎么用更弱的硬件优化游戏性能的视频。很多超高设置其实画质差异微乎其微。

>>109436870

anon, the 9070xt only supports UHBR13.5 (54Gbps) so it's not the cable

老哥，9070xt只支持UHBR13.5（54Gbps），所以不是线的问题。

only the rtx5000 series has UHBR20 (80Gbps) at this point in time

目前只有RTX5000系列支持UHBR20（80Gbps）。

>>109436845

>hmm my options are a 5070ti or 9070xt

>嗯我的选择是5070ti还是9070xt

>let me spend $700 more plus $300 optimization fee for the 5080

>然后我多花700美元再加300美元优化费去买5080

>>109436936

its fucking over

彻底完了，操

>>109436845

>more money than brains

>真是钱多人傻

he shoulda spent that $300 on an asstral so his cable won't burn in 3 years' time

他该把那300美元花在买根好线上，这样三年后线材不至于烧掉。

>>109436956

yeah, its scummy that amd can claim to support dp2.1 but only a gimped lower bandwidth version of it. it beats the purpose of dp versioning at all just like in the usb industry

是啊，AMD号称支持DP2.1但只给个阉割的低带宽版本，真够恶心的。这搞得DP版本号跟USB行业一样失去意义了。

>>109436261

>cpu + mobo to go with the ddr4 I already have

>CPU加主板配上我已有的DDR4

Mobo is a matter of what you features you want out of it: wifi, number of m.2 slots, number of usb ports, etc.

主板主要看你想要什么功能：WiFi、M.2插槽数量、USB接口数量等等。

Do a quick google to see if can overheat / has a weak vrm. That's probably the only real concern.

快速搜一下看看有没有过热或者VRM弱的问题。那可能是唯一真正需要担心的。

If amd then 5700x3d or 5800x3d. Need the x3d for the chip to touch entry-level am5 system performance.

如果选AMD就5700x3d或5800x3d。必须得有x3d才能摸到入门级AM5系统的性能门槛。

If intel then 12th, 13th, or 14th gen. Not the 14900 or 14700 though because of cpu degradation issues.

如果选Intel就12代、13代或14代。但别选14900或14700，因为CPU有退化问题。

>>109436546

Try going though their earlier drivers until you hit one that works?

试试往前翻他们的旧驱动，直到找到一个能用的？

In what games are you seeing problems?

你在哪些游戏里遇到问题？

>>109436956

you dont need more than 48gbps anyways.

反正你根本用不到超过48Gbps。

>>109437005

Go away dirty HDMI shill :((

滚吧，你个HDMI的托 :((

>>109436601

>But why don't we get any discounts on the other components like CPU, motherboards and PSU?

>但为什么其他配件比如CPU、主板和电源不给折扣呢？

there's demand destruction so it'll happen

需求低迷，所以迟早会降价的。

>>109437021

1440p 280hz / 4k 144hz hdr is all I need and hdmi 2.1 delivers both without dsc

1440p 280Hz / 4K 144Hz HDR就是我的全部需求，HDMI 2.1不用DSC就能满足。

>>109436060

alot of monitors are like that

很多显示器都是这样。

personaly no matter how it works or if it works as intended having a random ticking timer when your monitor decides to shut off does not sit right with me

个人来说，不管它怎么运作或者是否正常工作，显示器随机断电时有个计时器在那跳，我心里就是不踏实。

functionally useless and pointless also

而且功能上也没用、毫无意义。

it should only trigger ever if it's powered off in stand by

它只应该在待机断电时触发。

no timebomb timer

不应该有这种倒计时炸弹。

but this is what consoomers think is ok

但这就是消费者觉得没问题的状态。

and most alot montiors still have the 16 hour one AND It's buggy on top. meaning the timer does not reset or trigger during stand by which means it's just on a random timebomb loop

而且很多显示器还是有16小时的计时器，外加一堆bug。也就是说计时器在待机时不重置也不触发，等于就是个随机循环的定时炸弹。

the absolute state!

这什么破状态！

>>109436095

more bright more better

更亮就是更好。

>>109436643

dsc will be needed even with dp80 on high res high refresh monitors

就算有DP80，在高分辨率高刷新率显示器上还是得用DSC。

trying to force non dsc because autism is a failing pursuit

因为强迫症非要不用DSC，那是白费功夫。

dp2.1 cables are also a meme as you said

DP2.1线材也是笑话，就像你说的。 ┘ 哈哈这哥们儿在怪线材，其实明明是A卡的问题。

>>109436936

lol this guy is blaming cables when it' the AYYMd gpu

哈哈，这家伙居然怪线材，明明是AYYMd显卡的问题嘛。

I was just wondering if it wasn't just his monitor

我就是在想是不是他显示器的问题。

even worse trying to run 5k2k on a fucking 9070xt

更离谱的是用个破9070xt去跑5K2K。

I just took for granted this nigga is using a 5090

我默认以为这家伙用的是5090。

>>109437005

more than 80gbps is already needed with 6k 165hz+ displays

6K 165Hz+的显示器其实早就需要超过80Gbps了。

>>109436936

notto disu shitto agen

别再说这个了。

I've had to maneuver the bullshit of chink displays showing hdmi "2.1" support but then being like TEEHE it's 2.0 tier

我他妈得应付那些垃圾显示器，标着支持 HDMI“2.1”，结果一看，操，是 2.0 级别的货色

why is this spec bullshit even allowed?

这种傻逼规格怎么还能被允许存在？

>>109437074

>6k 165hz+ displays

超过 6k 165hz+ 的显示器

usecase?

>>109435194

>PNY XLR8 OC

How fucked am I?

我到底有多惨？

>>109437090

>https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4080-verto-epic-x-rgb-oc/4.html

its using onsemi driver mosfets for the core and vram so you're good

它用的是安森美驱动 MOSFET 管来带核心和显存，所以你没事

>>109437088

Wanting to enjoy 20/20 vision.

想享受 20/20 的视力。

>>109437075

Manufacturing realities.

制造现实就是这样。

It would be retarded to have PHYs and scalers that need to support 48gbps or even 80gbps when the display itself doesn't need it but you still want features like VRR.

如果显示器本身用不着 48gbps 甚至 80gbps 的带宽，却还想支持 VRR 之类的功能，那给 PHY 和缩放芯片搞那么高带宽支持就是傻逼行为。

The decoupling kinda needed to happen because newer HDMI/DP revisions introduce so much more than just bandwidth improvements.

这种解耦是必须的，因为新 HDMI/DP 版本带来的东西远不止带宽提升。

This wasn't an issue previously because if a display didn't need high bandwidth you'd just use an earlier revision and you didn't miss out on anything.

以前这不是问题，因为显示器带宽需求不高就直接用旧版标准，也不会缺啥功能。

It does mean that manufacturers can dumb down bandwidth support but that's more on the manufacturers than the specifications.

这确实意味着厂商可以阉割带宽支持，但这更多是厂商的锅，不是规格本身的错。

>>109437112

does anything even support 6k? Websites already shit themselves at 21:9.

现在有啥东西真支持 6k 吗？网页在 21:9 下就已经崩成狗了。

>>109437150

that makes sense but they should version their stuff better

说得有道理，但他们应该把版本号命名搞得更清楚点

like dp2.1 for 54gbps support and dp2.1b/dp2.2 for 80gbps support so that there's no ambiguity

比如 dp2.1 支持 54gbps，dp2.1b/dp2.2 支持 80gbps，这样就不会有歧义了

I paid CAD $850 / USD $606 for a refurbished 9070 XT Sapphire Nitro+

我花 850 加元（约 606 美元）买了一块翻新的 9070 XT Sapphire Nitro+

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785681322112068.png

keep in mind that visually lossless is marketing term and dsc lowers your image quality and there is content and scenes where it is noticeable

记住，“视觉无损”是营销术语，DSC 会降低画质，有些内容和场景下是能看出来的

it is funny that there are autists that care about every last nit or % of color and then dont care about losing it because of compression

挺搞笑的，有人对每尼特亮度或每百分比色准斤斤计较，结果却不在乎压缩把画质弄丢了

Asus 5090s are the lowest currently, BNPL before they adjust like everyone else already has.

Asus 5090 现在价格最低，先买后付的话趁他们还没像其他人那样调价赶紧下手。

>>109437186

>shit-eating, but he ain't grinning

>一脸吃瘪，但他没在笑

>>109437213

it also adds lag depending on gpu. The display chain goes from display to scan out to display to GPU controller to scan out. GPU scaling is already slower than monitor scaling.

而且这还要看 GPU，会增加延迟。显示链路从显示器到扫描输出，再到 GPU 控制器再到扫描输出。GPU 缩放本身就比显示器缩放慢。

>>109436845

Cringe

>https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1lidufz/comment/nbr6tpg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

>In actual studies there are consistently participants that can identify DSC in comparisons every time or almost every time. Also test cases where almost everyone can identify which is which and even more test cases where the average guess rate is above 75%, which is where the line for how "visually lossless" is supposed to be defined by the people who came up with the term.

>实际研究里，一直都有参与者能在对比测试中每次都或几乎每次识别出 DSC。而且有些测试案例中几乎所有人都能分辨出哪个是哪个，更有不少案例中平均猜中率超过 75%，而“视觉无损”这个说法就是定义在这个门槛上的。

>"Visually lossless" is a nonsense term that is defined as "most people can't tell most of the time". Parroting the phrase as if it means what one might imagine it does by reading the words is unhelpful and misinformative.

>“视觉无损”就是个扯淡术语，定义其实是“大多数情况下大多数人看不出来”。把这词挂在嘴边，好像它字面上就意味着无损似的，这既没帮助又误导人。

>>109436845

>My brother and sisters in 5080, I need your help

>各位 5080 的兄弟姐妹，我需要你们的帮助

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785681776575301.jpg

>>109437213

the worst thing about it is that since the compression ratio is variable, it means that the delay it adds in processing is also variable which may cause judder/uneven frame pacing at the monitor side

最恶心的是，压缩率是可变的，意味着它在处理时增加的延迟也是可变的，这可能导致显示器端出现抖动或帧率不均匀

>>109437228

true but at least this is (can be) partly offset by higher hz/fps as test results show

确实，但至少可以用更高的 hz/fps 来部分抵消这点，测试结果也证明了这个

also it causes various handshake issues and multimonitor issues

另外它还会导致各种握手问题和多显示器问题

that said it might be worth for some people, but marketing makes it look like there are no downsides

话虽这么说，对某些人来说可能值得，但营销搞得好像没有任何缺点一样

>>109436845

I enjoy debloating and optimizerating tbqhwy

说实话我还挺喜欢精简和优化的

>>109437238

When I have DSC on the desktop looks fake like images look softer and low quality. Color & monitor settings are exactly the same but the display goes from looking through a window to looking at a stream if that makes sense.

桌面开着 DSC 的时候看起来假假的，图像感觉变软了、画质也低了。颜色和显示器设置完全一样，但画面从“透过窗户看”变成“看直播流”那种感觉，你懂吧。

only CONSPIRACY THEORISTS will question the effects of DSC

只有阴谋论者才会质疑 DSC 的影响

don't listen to those nutters

别听那些神经病瞎扯

>>109437276

It takes longer for the image to output on screen due to the GPU holding up the chain. For low fps stuff it doesn't matter but when you're operating at 280-360+hz you start to notice how fake it is.

因为 GPU 拖着整条链路，图像输出到屏幕要更久。低帧率的时候无所谓，但你在 280-360Hz 以上跑的时候，就会开始觉得它有多假了。

Fucking ROUGH.

真他妈难受。

https://videocardz.com/newz/lexar-launches-ddr5-7200-memory-with-chinese-dram-chips-32gb-kit-costs-592

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785682258556898.jpg

After building and using a 5700x/7800XT system i think its time to go back to Intel/Nvidia, the way it was supposed to be.

装了一台 5700X/7800XT 的机器用了一阵子之后，我觉得该回到 Intel/Nvidia 了，这才是正道。

>>109437305

Oh no, more RAM supply? Terrible!

哦不会吧，内存又要增产了？太糟糕了！

>>109436643

Buy a Club 3D or StarTech cable, they mostly deal with enterprises and should have stricter QC.

买 Club 3D 或 StarTech 的线，他们主要做企业客户，品控应该更严格。

StarTech's longest DP80 / UHBR20 cable is 91 cm, it's probably too costly to sell a 2 meter version that meets their QC.

StarTech 最长的 DP80 / UHBR20 线也只有 91 厘米，两米版本要是能过他们品控估计成本太高了。

Signal integrity becomes a serious issue past 1 meters with this standard.

这个标准超过一米之后信号完整性就成了大问题。

https://www.club-3d.com/shop/cac-1094-1482

https://www.startech.com/en-us/cables/dp21-3f-dp80-cable

>>109437384

Intel/AMD is the way to go

还是 Intel/AMD 靠谱

Intel/Nvidia creates fires

Intel/Nvidia 会起火

AMD/AMD creates mustard gas

AMD/AMD 会放芥子气

>bought the 9070 XT for 16 GB VRAM

>买了 9070 XT 就为了 16GB 显存

>find out that it doesn't support MXFP4 while the 5070 does

>结果发现它不支持 MXFP4，而 5070 支持

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785685451563601.jpg

>>109437648

Scrolled down a bit to read the catposter tried to get UHBR80 working on a 9070 XT.

往下翻了翻，看到那个贴猫图的家伙想让 9070 XT 跑 UHBR80。

You should still pick a cable brand that deals with enterprises/data center customers when it comes to those high spec products.

这种高规格产品还是得选那些做企业/数据中心客户生意的线材品牌。

>>109437665

UHBR20 / DP80, fuck these specs.

UHBR20 / DP80，去你妈的这些规格。

>>109433243

but is 50ish too low or too high

但是 50 左右算太低还是太高

Gigabyte just released brand new AM4 motherboards for all the poorfags around who cannot buy DDR5 RAM:

技嘉刚给买不起 DDR5 的穷哥们出了全新的 AM4 主板：

>https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI7

>https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550M-X-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI7

>>109433373

>nvidia feature set

>nvidia 的功能集

nope still dont see a single reason to give a shit about that bloatware

不行，我还是看不出有任何理由在乎那个臃肿软件

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785686349386565.jpg

>>109437748

DOA until the cheaper old boards sell out. I doubt people who are building AM4 PCs today highly value that WiFi7 integration.

在老便宜板子卖完之前这玩意儿就是摆设。我不信今天还在装 AM4 的人会多看重那个 WiFi7 集成。

Maybe it makes sense for other regions.

也许在其他地区有道理。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785686877172849.png

>he thinks he can see better than 1080p

>他以为他能看清 1080p 以上的区别

附件: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785686900686907.mp4

>he cannot afford a visit to the optometrist

>他连看眼科医生的钱都出不起

>his performance dropped by 6 million percent to generate real time ray tracing

>他的帧率下降了六百万个百分点就为了实时光追

>that no game developer even knows how to use

>而光追这玩意儿根本没游戏开发者知道怎么用

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785687358877435.jpg

>>109437662

AMD is the cope solution in the realm of AI.

在 AI 领域里 AMD 就是自我安慰的解决方案。

It's only good for gaming and that's if you're lucky.

它就打游戏还行，而且还得看运气。

Sell it or return it and buy a 5070 Ti.

卖了或者退了，买张 5070 Ti 吧。 ﹆

I couldn't give a shit about RT. Like less than 5% of total games have it. From DirectX8 to 11 none have it and these games are still played today.

我根本不在乎光追。支持光追的游戏连总游戏数的5%都不到。从DirectX8到11，这些游戏都没有光追，可它们至今仍然有人玩。

>>109437852

The vision industry is honesty the biggest medical scam for anyone worse than 20/60

视觉行业，说实话，对任何视力低于20/60的人来说，是最大的医疗骗局。

>>109437902

Just get a prescription and buy the glasses from China for 1/10th of the price.

直接开个处方，然后从中国买眼镜，价格只要十分之一。

>>109437213

dsc schizo is schizophrenic and arguing in bad faith

dsc schizo这人是精神分裂，而且是在恶意抬杠。

>>109437228

pretty sure you are quoting stats from 1998 where gpus were slower now a days its irrelevant

我敢肯定你引用的是一九九八年的数据，那时候GPU慢得很，现在这已经无关紧要了

>>109437238

schizo tier

精神分裂级别

>>109437251

>it means that the delay it adds in processing is also variable

>意思是它处理时加的延迟也是可变的

do you have a single fact to back that up.jpg

你有一个事实能支撑这个说法吗.jpg

>>109437265

all these posts are made from a single schizophrenic dsc mind

这些帖子全出自同一个精神分裂的dsc脑子

>>109437933

It goes deeper than that bro

这比你想的还深，兄弟

The scripts 99% of optometrists write are for people who aren't that bad off and the other 1% is for people who just happen to have extreme refractive errors.

99%的眼科医生开的处方是给那些没那么严重的人，剩下的1%是给碰巧有极端屈光不正的人

Anything more than that and the industry is quite useless to you. Quite surprising and infuriating once you realize it.

超过那个程度，这行业对你基本没用。一旦意识到这点，既惊讶又让人火大

>>109437955

your vaxx status?

你疫苗接种状态？

>>109437709

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>>109438054

got the shot at a walmart parking lot.

我在沃尔玛停车场打的针

>>109437955

for a native signal its faster for your monitor to process it than your gpu. for a non native signal its faster for your gpu to process it than your monitor.

对于原生信号，显示器处理比GPU快；对于非原生信号，GPU处理比显示器快

>>109432894

>Tranime PC

>宅女动漫PC

>Fucked up OP

>楼主搞砸了

>>109438054

unvaxxed o- pureblood if you must know

没打疫苗 O型血 纯血统，你要知道就这样

>>109438179

says nothing if it's relevant at all or not

这没说它到底相关不相关

the only time I've noticed DSC being different is when you change refresh rate or when some ancient game uses real fullscreen and it takes bazillion years for the monitor to display image

我只在换刷新率或者某些老游戏用真全屏时，显示器要花老半天才出画面，这时候才感觉DSC有差别

>>109432894

What online retailers does America have that are less expensive than newegg?

美国有哪些比Newegg便宜的在线零售商？

>>109438247

allegedly hdmi can have a better and faster handshake than dp also

据说HDMI的握手也能比DP更好更快

many such things

这种事多了去了

>>109438256

Microcenter bundles or their PowerSpec prebuilts.

Microcenter的捆绑套餐或者他们的PowerSpec整机

Retailers will have to cut down on future shipments because the PC building market is shrinking.

零售商得削减未来出货量，因为装机市场在缩水

Speaking of Newegg, the official Club 3D marketplace is selling their 2 meter DP80 cable for just $30 (free shipping).

说到Newegg，官方Club 3D店在卖他们2米DP80线，只要30美元（包邮）

People who need a 2 meter DP cable might as well buy this one to future-proof.

需要2米DP线的人不如买这个为未来做准备

https://www.newegg.com/p/183-00MY-00001

>>109438247

NVIDIA Display Stream Compression (DSC) issues include long black screen delays when alt-tabbing from full-screen games, blocked DSR/DLDSR downsampling support, and occasional multi-monitor signal drops or sleep-wake failures.

NVIDIA显示流压缩（DSC）问题包括从全屏游戏切出去时长时间黑屏延迟、阻止DSR/DLDSR降采样支持，以及偶尔的多显示器信号丢失或睡眠唤醒失败

>>109438508

5000 series updated the display controller so it's not cucked anymore

5000系列更新了显示控制器，所以不再被阉割了

Everybody talks about how insane HDR is, the difference for me seems subtle at best, though noticeable.

人人都说HDR多牛，对我来说差异顶多算细微，尽管能感觉到

I just don't get it.

我就是不懂 ♯ 哈哈哈哈不，我副显示器开DSC还是有问题的

>>109438544

lmao no I still had issues with my secondary monitor having DSC

哈哈不是，我的副显示器还是遇到DSC的问题。

>>109438577

The vast majority of HDR-"capable" monitors and TVs don't do HDR correctly/well enough.

绝大多数号称支持HDR的显示器和电视根本没做好/没做够HDR

>>109438595

I have pretty top-of-line QD-OLEDs, just that while I think it looks strictly better, I'm not seeing this "wow this changed my life" kinda shit everyone else seems to be losing their shit about.

我有顶级QD-OLED，只是虽然我觉得它确实更好看，但我没看到别人都疯狂的那“哇这改变我人生”的效果

>>109438602

someone will now tell you that QD-OLED doesn't have enough nits for true HDR and you should get something else. If you get something else then and it's still not impressive it's either the implementation that doesn't work correctly with a list of things you have to do to get the true experience or you should have bought something something else.

马上会有人跟你说QD-OLED亮度不够达不到真HDR，你该买别的。如果买了别的还是不震撼，那要么是设置不对还得做一堆事才能体验好，要么是你该再买点别的

Is it possible to tamper with ssd firmware and change the uptime values? I found an used ssd listing that claims 580 boots over only 85 hours

能不能篡改固态硬盘固件，把通电时间改掉？我看到一个二手固态的列表，说是580次通电但只有85小时使用时间。

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>>109438544

no its still fucked. the downside of fixed function hardware is driver updates cant fix it. it has to be fixed while they're making the die. like how rdna3.5 exists to fix rdna3.

不行，那东西还是废的。固定功能硬件的缺点就是驱动更新修不了，只能在造芯片的时候修。就像rdna3.5是专门为了修rdna3才存在的。

>>109437662

the new AMD cards are less than garbage, their stack is Literally incapable of dealing with anything cool that is coming, is why you have the resdient schizo spamming about drivers issue and trying to trick anons into buying their hardware.

AMD新显卡连垃圾都不如，他们的堆栈压根没法应付即将到来的酷东西，所以才有那个常驻的精神病天天刷驱动问题，想骗老哥去买他们家的硬件。

>>109438577

that's why you gotta buy an oled tv, even a C series 42" is twice as bright as the best oled monitors and thats not even good

这就是为什么你得买OLED电视，哪怕是C系列42寸的都比最好的OLED显示器亮两倍，而且那还不算好。

buy a top end tv G6 or S95 S99H

买台顶级电视G6或者S95 S99H。

it really is that simple

真的就这么简单。

>>109438579

where did I say eveything is solved tho

我哪说过所有问题都解决了？

>>109438624

nothing to do with qdoleds monitors are just nerfed too hard and power limited

跟QD-OLED没关系，显示器就是被阉割得太狠，还限功率。

>>109438681

they improved the single display head limit so dsc and upscaling works tho literally half the things he said is improved or fixed

他们改善了单显示器的接口上限，所以DSC和缩放能用了，不过天呐，他说的事里面有一半确实被改进了或修好了。

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Anyone else worried about the PS6 coming out and suddenly all games absolutely require 16GB of VRAM or more to play at 1440p High settings? I swear I fucking screwed myself by being a cheapfag and getting the 5070 instead of the 5070 Ti.

有人担心PS6出来以后，突然所有游戏都要求16GB显存以上才能1440p高画质玩吗？我操，我真服了自己当个抠逼买了5070而不是5070 Ti。

>bro your shit ass CPU?

>兄弟你那破CPU呢？

I can always buy an X3D, they're not THAT expensive compared to GPUs or RAM.

我随时能买个X3D，跟显卡或内存比没那么贵。

>bro your 9070 XT?

>兄弟你那9070 XT呢？

kys

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>>109439219

should have boughted 5090

当初就该买5090。

>greendrones

>>109439326

gaytracing leds

光追LED gay里gay气的。

>>109438577

The HDR quality bottleneck is usually caused by the source media after you properly set up a decent miniLED or OLED display.

HDR画质的瓶颈通常在你好好设置好一台过得去的miniLED或OLED显示器之后，变成源头媒体本身。

Games are authored for SDR first, most of the game studios treat HDR as a post-processed feature which turn out poorly.

游戏都是先按SDR做的，大部分工作室把HDR当后处理功能对待，结果效果很差。

These HDR implementations need to be fixed with mods like RenoDX.

这些HDR实现得靠RenoDX之类的模组修。

Prestige streaming series are produced in native HDR first.

高端流媒体剧集是先做原生HDR的。

Use an Apple TV trial to watch Slow Horses if you have a good HDR display (preferably with Dolby Vision).

如果你有一台好的HDR显示器（最好支持杜比视界），可以用Apple TV试用版看《慢马》。

S2 E1 or 2 has some scenes of a guy biking around London during a sunny day, you can see how well the HDR is handled.

第二季第一集或第二集有些场景，一个人晴天在伦敦骑车，能看出来HDR处理得多好。

https://partnerhelp.netflixstudios.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000599948-Dolby-Vision-HDR-Mastering-Guidelines

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>>109439219

>Anyone else worried about the thing that has been nigh incessantly forewarned about?

>有人担心那个被反复警告了快无数次的事吗？

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>>109439298

>>109439482

What of all the fags with 8GB GPUs? If I'm screwed at 12GB, do they just lose human rights for buying a 5060 or keeping their old 3070, or what?

那那些8GB显存的基佬怎么办？我12GB都算完蛋了，那些买5060或者留着旧3070的是不是直接没人权了？

It's not like 6GB GPUs became obsolete overnight, the 1060 and 1660/Super could run a bunch of shit fine as recently as 2022-2023.

6GB显卡也不是一夜之间就废了，1060和1660/Super在2022到2023年都还能跑不少东西。

>>109439219

No, the game industry can't afford to price out more customers. The step up to the PS5 caused enough buyer attrition.

不会的，游戏行业没能力把更多顾客赶走。上PS5那一步就已经流失了不少买家。

Video games are a mass market product, console game development business model collapses if it continues to price out middle class players.

电子游戏是大众市场产品，如果继续把中产玩家挤出去，主机游戏开发模式就崩了。

Online game devs need the whales, the RMT/MTX whales need the frugal audience for their self-esteem.

网游开发者需要鲸鱼，氪金/内购鲸鱼需要那些省钱玩家来撑自尊。

Game devs are headed the other direction; they're trying to port their games to the Switch 2.

游戏开发商正往反方向走，他们在尝试把游戏移植到Switch 2上。

>>109439520

have you seen the ports? SF6 upscales from 360p to 720p in portable and 520p to 1080p in docked mode.

你看到那些端口测试了吗？《街霸6》在便携模式下是从360p升到720p，底座模式是从520p升到1080p。

>>109439518

You'll probably still be able to run shit at low settings,but you've been told for 2 generations now that new features(dlss, framegen, ai, ray tracing) all need more vram and you should aim for 16gb minimum.

你大概还是能在低画质下跑得动，但这两代显卡已经反复跟你说了，新功能（DLSS、帧生成、AI、光追）全都需要更多显存，你该冲着16GB保底去了。

>>109439549

>16gb minimum

>16GB保底

Has nobody stopped to think that spending 1000 bucks on a GPU alone (5070 Ti) is a bit ridiculous?

是不是没人停下来想想，光显卡就花1000刀（5070 Ti）这事儿有点离谱？

>>109439545

If SF6 is running at a smooth 60 fps at the Switch 2 hardware specs, it's a win.

如果《街霸6》能在Switch 2的硬件规格上稳定跑60帧，那就是赢了。

Switch 2 is still the highest selling console since its release.

Switch 2从发售以来依然是销量最高的主机。

>>109439545

either a skill issue or ueslop

要么是技术不行，要么就是纯脑瘫

>>109439580

>1000 bucks on a GPU alone (5070 Ti)

>光显卡就1000刀（5070 Ti）

That's only due to RAM prices going apeshit, realistically both the 5070ti and 9070xt would be below MSRP by now and you could get either of them by around $600-700.

那纯粹是因为内存价格疯涨，现实点说5070 Ti和9070 XT现在早该跌破建议零售价了，你大概600到700刀就能搞到其中一个。

>>109439608

No it's the hardware limitations of the switch2, most game studios are making games for current/next gen PC hardware while the switch is using last gen hardware.

不，问题在Switch 2的硬件限制，大多数游戏工作室现在都在给当下/下一代PC硬件做游戏，而Switch用的是上一代硬件。

>>109439219

>games

what games are you looking forward to? asking because I can't think of a single one on my end

你期待哪些游戏？问这个是因为我自己想不出一个来。

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>>109439645

erm uhhh hmmm

呃……嗯……唔……

TES 6 and GTA 6, I suppose?

《上古卷轴6》和《GTA6》吧，大概？

shit I mostly play gacha games now because modern AAA is all some unenjoyable bullshit or remakes

妈的，我现在基本只玩抽卡游戏了，因为现代3A全是让人不爽的屎或者重制版。

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>>109439645

>no new gaymes™ worth paying full price for

>没有值得全价买的新游戏™

>mfw this rig's main hobby is stress tests

>看到这台机器的主要爱好是跑压力测试

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>>109439667

unless im not up to date tes6 will become borderline pajeet scrools, everyone from bethesda is more or less gone

除非我落伍了，TES6会变成差不多阿三味儿的烂货，贝塞斯达的人基本都跑光了。

i im underb& anymore so i dont care about gta

我已经不入坑了，所以GTA我也不关心。

so i guess >we are together on this one, kamiges and low cost gaems

所以我觉得>咱们这点是一路的，抽卡神作和便宜游戏都行。

cheapest possible 90fps vr build.im in usa

最便宜的90帧VR配置，在美国。

>>109439667

>TES VI

This isn’t even targeting a PS5/Xbox Series X release, its going to be for the next gen consoles first and a scales down version for current gen

这玩意根本就没冲着PS5/Xbox Series X发行去，会是先上下一代主机，再给当前世代做缩水版。

>GTA 6

Not coming to PC till 2028

PC版得等到2028年。

>Gacha

The good thing about gacha is they are phone games so they aren’t the most demanding with the exception of Wuwa which unironically has better ray tracing than triple a slop.

抽卡游戏的好处是它们是手机游戏，所以要求不算高，除了《鸣潮》——它讽刺的是光追比三A垃圾还强。

Should I plug my AIO fans into the CPU header or System Fan header? The CPU fan header seems to run the fans slower.

我该把AIO风扇插到CPU接口还是系统风扇接口？CPU风扇接口看起来跑得更慢。

>>109438577

What have you watched?

你看了什么？

>>109439771

your mobo manual should have info if it has dedicated AIO headers

你的主板说明书应该会写有没有专门的AIO接口。

>>109439728

Games have different hardware requirements so theres no set 90 fps vr build

不同游戏硬件要求不一样，所以不存在固定的90帧VR配置。

if you want best value build rn in general its 5070 gpu, am5 mobo + 7800x3d

如果你想要现在最有性价比的配置，大体就是5070显卡、AM5主板加7800X3D。

With memory crisis inflated prices you can either pay inflated 32gb ddr5 prices, or get 1 stick 16gb and buy another later, also 1tb nvme

内存危机导致价格虚高，你可以选择付32GB DDR5的虚高价，或者先买一根16GB之后再加，另外配个1TB NVMe。

>>109439219

Yeah man, I'm worried sick, grinding my teeth down to knub.

是啊兄弟，我担心得要死，牙齿都快磨成渣了。

>>109439792

no mans sky

《无人深空》。

How do I know whether my old HDDs are still safe to store things on?

我怎么知道我的旧机械硬盘还能不能安全存东西？

>2TB Toshiba DT01ACA200, dated April 2015

>2TB 东芝DT01ACA200，2015年4月的

>1TB WD Green WD10EZRX, dated September 2014

>1TB 西数绿盘WD10EZRX，2014年9月的

>>109439868

Well thats a complex 3d game so even a 5070 would struggle with the large resolution it runs at

那是个复杂的3D游戏，所以哪怕是5070在它跑的高分辨率下也会很吃力。

maybe look at 5070 ti for the gpu, anything beyond that isn't very cost effective. 9070 xt would best value in that 1 game scenario but then you lose out nvidia features that may be important to you.

显卡的话可以看看5070 ti，再往上性价比就不高了。9070 xt在那种只玩某一个游戏的情况下性价比最高，但那样就会失去N卡的一些功能，那些功能可能对你挺重要的。

>>109439879

CrystalDiskInfo to get basic drive health information. Treat older HDDs as disposable scratch pads.

CrystalDiskInfo能看基本磁盘健康状况。老机械硬盘就当一次性草稿纸用吧。

>>109439879

Run badblocks.

跑一下badblocks。

>safe to store things on

>安全存放数据

No single drive is safe. Do backups.

没有哪块硬盘是绝对安全的。做好备份。

>>109439792

>best value build

>最佳性价比配置

Against the total cost of a new build, true. But a 9600/X is also fine if you want to save a couple of hundred

对比整套新配置的总价，确实如此。但如果你想省个两三百块，9600/X也挺够用的。

>>109439879

If it's truly archival storage, you can just pull the sata power until you need it again

如果真是纯归档存储，你可以把SATA供电拔了，等需要的时候再插回去。

>>109438629

anyone?

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>>109440029

Its not like pc builders regularly tamper with ssd firmware

又不是说PC装机的人天天会去折腾SSD固件。

if anything the rule is avoid buying used ssds and harddrives to avoid random thinking about shit like that

真要有个什么规矩的话，就是别买二手SSD和机械硬盘，免得老想着这类乱七八糟的事儿。

>>109439976

I've had the 2TB one (2015) stored away entirely unused for the past ~3 years and the 1TB one (2014) probably unused since 2019 or 2020.

我那块2TB的（2015年）过去大概三年一直完全没用过收着，1TB那块（2014年）大概从2019或2020年起就没用过了。

>>109439948

I do make backups, but what do you suggest should I use in place of badblocks on Windows?

我确实会做备份，但你觉得在Windows上应该用什么替代badblocks？

>>109439879

Every disk that runs is safe to store data.

只要在运行的硬盘都能安全存数据。

It's not safe not to have a backup drive with data mirrored or RAID 1+.

不安全的做法是没一块备用盘做镜像或RAID 1+。

>>109440124

So I assume using an external drive that you only plug in when you need it and `robocopy /MIR` your data over regularly (once every 1-3 days usually) is close to ideal?

所以我觉得用一块外置盘，只在需要的时候插上，然后定期（通常每隔1-3天）用`robocopy /MIR`把数据同步过去，这算接近理想了吧？

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If push comes to shove, which companies would you buy products from? Chinese or American? Say GPUs by definition (which are mostly made in China). Both are spying on you, but the American interface will be english. How soon are we seeing ram wars and scalping?

真要逼到那份上，你会买哪家公司的产品？中国的还是美国的？比如说显卡，本质上大多是中国造的。两边都在监控你，但美方的界面是英文的。我们多久会看到内存价格战和黄牛炒货？

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>>109440029

It was used as his secondary storage, these tend to enter deep sleep state very often.

那块盘是他的副存储，这种盘很容易进入深度休眠状态。

Windows wakes up your sleeping drives if you open the File Explorer's "This PC", or if you have any shortcuts pinned to Quick Access that originate from those drives.

Windows会在你打开文件资源管理器的“此电脑”时唤醒休眠中的盘，或者如果你在快速访问里固定了来自那些盘的快捷方式也会被唤醒。

SSDs powering on and off isn't that big of a deal, it's worse for HDDs.

SSD频繁开关机其实问题不大，对机械硬盘影响更糟。

My secondary SSD has over 10K power on counts @ +1.3K power on hours.

我的副SSD开机次数超过1万次，总开机时间才1300多小时。

anyone updated to 2.7.1, are the drivers any good? I'm still at 2.6.1, it works

有人升级到2.7.1了吗，驱动好用不？我还停在2.6.1，反正能用。

zen 3 degradation is real

Zen 3缩肛是真的。

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Dead Ass Board

死主板。

>>109440293

For 7000 series yes if 9000 stick with 26.3.1

7000系列的话可以，9000系列还是留在26.3.1吧。

>>109440183

EU will unite under new Caliphate of EU and create a superpower and create the Halal CPU.... trust

欧盟会在新的欧盟哈里发国下统一，成为一个超级大国，造出清真CPU……信我。

>>109440183

I quite literally don't give a fuck. Geopolitical nonsense is a waste of time to me.

说真的我完全不在乎。地缘政治那套破事对我来说纯浪费时间。

>buh buh buh

>不不不

Do. Not. Care. I live my life to engage in the things I care about. The manufacturer country of origin is not in my interest.

别。在。乎。我只活在我关心的事情里。零件制造商是哪国的跟我没半点关系。

If the parts let me game well I will buy whoever is selling the cheapest.

只要零件能让我好好打游戏，谁卖得便宜我买谁。

What's the best monitor I can get for ~200 euros? I do want to game on it, but I'm not sure if I want to step up to 1440p or stick to 1080.

大概是200欧元，有什么好显示器推荐？我想拿来打游戏，但不确定是上1440p还是继续用1080。

I'm totally clueless about screens.

我对屏幕完全是小白。

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>>109441033

a 1440p 260hz (240hz without oc) philips 27" IPS was below that for long

飞利浦27寸IPS的1440p 260Hz（不开超频240Hz）之前有段时间跌破这个价了。

thats possibly the best specs ur gonna get

这差不多是你能拿到的最好的配置了

since u cant buy budget va and tn dont exist this is your only option if u wanna atleast have the least shitty thing

既然你买不起VA面板的廉价货而且TN屏已经绝迹，如果想让体验至少不那么糟，这是你唯一的选择

>>109441033

some 1440p ips

一些1440p IPS屏

>>109440183

after all the bullshit the trump administration has put us through with tarriffs, greenland, and nato, I'd buy chinese in a heart beat

特朗普政府用关税、格陵兰和北约折腾了我们这么多破事，我二话不说就买中国货

the US can kindly fuck off. I'd rather have china as the new world order leader honestly at this point

美国可以滚一边去了。说实话，到这个份上我宁愿中国当新的世界秩序领头羊

>>109440183

the drones from cod advanced warfare will kill one of them

使命召唤高级战争里的无人机能干掉其中一台

>>109441033

1440p monitors should be find if your GPU is about as good as a 9060 XT 16GB or 5060 Ti 16GB.

如果你的显卡大概有9060 XT 16GB或5060 Ti 16GB的水平，1440p显示器应该没问题

I would stay at 1080p if you have an 8GB VRAM card.

如果你只有8GB显存的卡，我还是建议留在1080p

>1440p

ASUS VG27AQL5A, VG27AQML1A

Dell AW2725DM, Samsung G50D, Gigabyte M27Q2

戴尔AW2725DM、三星G50D、技嘉M27Q2

>1080p

AOC 24G4X

Any of the above should be decent, pick your favored brand.

上面哪个都不错，挑你喜欢的牌子就行

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>>109441299

>>109439778

Mostly Youtube videos of a Japanese guy walking at night. That's on my Sony TV though. It doesn't really help that on my Samsung monitor it randomly decides to let me turn on game HDR whenever it wants to, I guess.

主要看一个日本小哥半夜散步的YouTube视频。不过那是在我的索尼电视上看的。让我不爽的是我的三星显示器会时不时莫名其妙让我开游戏HDR，随它去吧。