What's your favourite piece of vibe coded software?
你最喜欢哪款凭感觉乱写出来的软件？
For me, it's ffmpeg
对我来说是ffmpeg
你最喜欢哪款凭感觉乱写出来的软件？
What's your favourite piece of vibe coded software?
你最喜欢哪款凭感觉乱写出来的软件？
For me, it's ffmpeg
对我来说是ffmpeg
>>109431991
Another vibeGOD victory
又一个氛围神胜利
There is no such thing as non-vibecoded software
根本不存在不是氛围代码写的软件
If there is, it won't be in a year.
要是有的话，一年后也没了。
Always a proprietary LLM for some reason.
不知道为什么总是专有LLM。
>>109432046
Name a good non-propietary llm
说个好的非专有LLM来听听
can i pay someone to vibe code and maintain a clone of popular ios app from a new years ago that was nerfed and forgotten?
我能花钱找人用氛围代码做一个几年前被削废然后被遗忘的热门iOS应用的克隆版并维护吗？
I work a corporate job and don't have the time or patience to jump through all the app approval and ad program hoops myself.
我有正经工作，没时间也没耐心自己折腾那些应用审核和广告计划的各种破流程。
>>109432143
Sure, ill do it. Whats the app?
行，我来干。啥应用？
Am I remembering wrong but wasn't there some beef over ffmpeg and AI slop?
我记错了吗？ffmpeg和AI灌水之间不是有过什么恩怨吗？
>>109432057
Nta but Kimi K3, Deepseek V4 Flash
不是楼主，但Kimi K3、Deepseek V4 Flash。
>>109431991
>favourite
Opinion discarded.
意见已作废。
And ffmpeg wasn't vibecoded.
而且ffmpeg不是vibe coded的。
>>109432288
(nta)
ffmpeg is not a finished product to be talked about in the past, retard.
ffmpeg又不是成品，别拿过去时谈它，智障。
in fact, ff developers have been using multiple LLM's for months, and openly so. i even dropped subtle and not-so-subtle about this here in this board multiple times. but i guess /g/eet nocoders have to see it mentioned in xitter by some jew for it to become a reality.
事实上，ff的开发者们几个月来一直在用多个LLM，而且公开承认。我在这儿也多次暗示或明说过。但看来/g/eet编程废物们非得在推特上被某个犹太人提到才肯相信。
>>109431991
>2females mpreg pegging
>2个女性怀孕+幻肢
Mmmhmmm
nobody cares about "vibe-coding" as long as there's a human reviewing what's pumped out.
只要有个真人来审一下产出，没人会在乎“vibe coding”。
>>109432359
this is rust 2.0. rewrite or force your way inside, then pretend you were the ones responsible all along.
这就是Rust2.0。重写或者硬挤进去，然后装作一直都是你们干的。
>>109432397
good news, once it's determined to be vibe coded, there is no more license on it. All AI generated code is not copyrightable and therefore public domain. If it's GPL, I can just ignore that. I can brand it with my logo and sell my proprietary version. And there's nothing the vibe code chimps can do about that.
好消息，一旦确定是vibe coding写出来的，那就没有版权了。所有AI生成的代码都不受版权保护，属于公有领域。如果是GPL的，我直接无视就行。我可以贴上自己的logo，卖我的专有版本。那些vibe coding的猴子拿我一点办法都没有。
>>109432393
AI reviews better than humans, I actually think that all humans are good for when it comes to software now is "taste"
AI审查比人类强，我其实觉得现在人类在软件方面唯一有用的就是“品味”了。
>>109432397
zero rust code is involved
完全没有涉及rust代码。
>your
who am i/we? lol
我是/我们是谁？哈哈。
/g/eets are funny.
/g/eets挺好笑的。
>>109431991
>vulnerabilities LE GOOD
>漏洞大好事
Why are snailcats like this?
为什么蜗牛猫会这样？
>>109432427
Do you understand what an LLM is?
你懂什么是LLM吗？
>>109431991
We are heading towards a full blown competency crisis.
我们正在走向一场全面的能力危机。
>>109432826
That's a brutal mogging. But I look at this shit and think, rust just makes this less retarded.
那真是碾压式的羞辱。但我看着这玩意儿想，rust就是能让这破事没那么蠢。
>>109432873
Cope. We don’t need you anymore
认命吧。我们不再需要你了。
>>109432015
>shits up bloated ffmpeg even further
>把臃肿的ffmpeg搞得更烂
VIBEGOODS WON!
>>109432929
Arrest, the boss fired you.
逮捕，老板把你炒了。
>>109432239
Proprietary
>>109432393
The issue though is that having an LLM confidently saying it has successfully finished the task makes you complacent and you are likely to review less rigorously.
问题在于，LLM自信地说它成功完成了任务，会让你掉以轻心，审查时很可能没那么严格。
>>109432034
Just don't updoot, I haven't opdooted in a while and I can't think of a single program that I use that is vibe coded, except for firefox maybe but I use an old version so probably not
别点赞了，我好久没点赞了，想不出哪个我在用的程序是vibe coding搞的，除了Firefox可能算，但我用的是老版本，所以大概不算。
Based.
>>109434679
Windows, linux, macos, just pick your favorite
Windows、Linux、macOS，随便挑一个你喜欢的。
>>109431991
This is a really creepily worded message.
这消息措辞真诡异。
holy fuck im so glad I just did business in college and didnt waste thousands on a cs degree
操，我真庆幸大学学的是商科，没浪费几千刀搞个CS学位。
I'm already at the same level as these "programmers" now kek
我现在已经跟那些“程序员”一个水平了好吗，kek。
>>109431991
wait? is this real? I thought FFmpeg is all about handwritten asm???
等等？这是真的？我以为FFmpeg全靠手写汇编呢？？？
why isn't ffmpeg a finished product, what is there to add?
为什么ffmpeg还没做完，还有什么好加的？
>>109437514
>what is there to add?
>还有什么好加的？
subtle errors so the haters can spiritually rape you every time your browser tries to decode a webm
加些微妙的bug，这样每次你浏览器解码webm的时候，黑子们就能在精神上强奸你。
And what does Cursor want in return? Just this marketing post? And how many credits did they actually get? This just smells like some AI company buying their way into goodwill.
那Cursor想要什么回报？就这个营销帖子？他们到底拿了多少积分？这整件事就闻着像AI公司花钱买好感。
>>109437702
Your nose is not very sensitive, this is very obviously marketing
你鼻子不太灵，这明摆着是营销。
>>109437702
microsoft probably donates money and ci infrastructure to ffmpeg. this is the problem with the "non-profit model" that many open source projects have adopted, eventually the foundation ends up in the hands of some "professional administrator" that only cares about keeping corporate donations (that are then used to pay his salary). mozilla is the most disgusting example but all those non-profits are on the same path
微软可能给ffmpeg捐钱和CI基础设施。这就是很多开源项目采用的“非营利模式”的问题，最后基金会会落到某个“职业管理员”手里，他只在乎保住企业捐款（然后用那些钱发自己工资）。Mozilla是最恶心的例子，但所有那些非营利组织都在走同样的路。
>>109431991
for me it's Zed
对我来说是Zed。
>>109431991
>the state of software engineering.
>软件工程的现状。
>>109437497
Writing inline asm and using an llm are mutually exclusive. All C compilers strictly prevent inline asm from being evaluated if you use llm-generated code for anything at all.
写内联汇编和使用LLM是互斥的。所有C编译器都严格禁止，只要你用了LLM生成的代码，内联汇编就不能被评估。
>>109437514
projects like ffmpeg are not something you can ever truly "finish", there will always be a new microarchitecture to write SIMD for, or some codec spec change, etc. the LLM stuff helps them improve it faster which saves everyone money so developers are always trying to squeeze a few more FPS out of it.
像ffmpeg这样的项目，你永远无法真正“完成”，总会有新的微架构要写SIMD优化，或者某个编解码器规范要改等等。LLM相关的东西能帮他们更快改进，这给所有人省钱，所以开发者们总是想方设法榨出更多帧率。
>>109434436
Anon... i ... don't think you know what that word means.
匿名者……我……觉得你不知道那个词是什么意思。
>>109434418
name on piece of bloat in ffmpeg
在ffmpeg里点名一个臃肿的部分
>>109439746
(nta)
ffmpeg is mostly bloat and deliberately so, since it tries to support as many codecs and formats as possible, most of which are irrelevant to the whole world population except for one person or two.
ffmpeg大部分是臃肿的，而且是有意为之，因为它试图支持尽可能多的编解码器和格式，其中大部分对全世界人口来说无关紧要，只对一两个人有用。
the fact that you didn't know that is sad, even sadder if you simply failed to put two and two together.
你不知道这点很可悲，更可悲的是你连这点简单的推理都做不出来。
>>109434679
>don't updoot
>别点赞
ffmpeg had a critical exploit like a month ago
ffmpeg大约一个月前有个严重漏洞
>>109434436
>A book is proprietary because I wasn't gifted the author's notes and pen
>一本书是专有的，因为我没有被赠予作者的笔记和笔
>>109432856
Because they are Russian threat actors and Chinese threat actors who are trying to undermine the security of the United States.
因为他们是试图破坏美国安全的俄罗斯威胁行为者和中国威胁行为者。
>>109440196
The namefag is a nafo shill
那个署名党是个纳福的托
>>109431991
My Pronouns in Priced, have faith
我的代词在价格里，要有信心
>>109440072
name one piece of bloat
点名一个臃肿的部分
>>109434418
>>109432856
>goo
GOOD MORNING SAAR
>>109437497
https://github.com/ffmpeg/ffmpeg
Everything that matters is still handwritten asm, op is definitely trolling.
所有关键的东西仍然是手写的汇编，楼主绝对在钓鱼。
>>109440630
post the output of these two commands
贴出这两条命令的输出
ffmpeg -decoders 2>/dev/null|wc -l
ffmpeg -解码器 2>/dev/null|wc -l
ffmpeg -demuxers 2>/dev/null|wc -l
ffmpeg -demuxers 2>/dev/null|wc -l（命令：统计 ffmpeg 支持的解复用器数量）
>>109440072
>>109440891
feel free to disable codecs and features you consider bloat in your copy of ffmpeg
你可以随意在你自己的ffmpeg副本里禁用你认为臃肿的编解码器和功能
>>109431991
if the AI isn't slop then it's fine.
如果AI生成的不是垃圾，那没问题。
yes non slop exists,
是的，非垃圾的确实存在，
meaning AI made a just few lines of change and it was audited by a human,
意思是AI只做了几行改动，而且经过人工审核，
it is commented and easily understandable.
有注释，容易理解。
then sure
那当然行
>>109432412
>. All AI generated code is not copyrightable and therefore public domain
>所有AI生成的代码没有版权，因此属于公共领域
/thread
>>109440891
>fails to name bloat
>没能点名臃肿部分
>>109441215
>fails to provide basic info llm can't answer
>没能提供LLM回答不了的基本信息
wintards are so easy to spot lol
窗户粉太好认了哈哈
>>109441045
having to support all that crap means many structs, and more specifically, many enums are also bloated. and you can't compile that away retard.
不得不支持那些乱七八糟的东西意味着很多结构体，更具体地说，很多枚举也很臃肿。而且你没法把它们编译掉，傻逼。
>>109437514
>>109441381
>fails to provide bloat
>没能提供臃肿部分
>>109434679
AI is being used to find exploits so you'll be forced to update to new versions
现在AI被用来找漏洞，所以你就被迫升级到新版本
>>109441496
>fails to prove non-wintardness
>没法证明自己不是win狗
this is an entry requirement to the conversation. your words are worthless if you can't even clear that very low bar
这是参与对话的门槛。连这么低的坎都过不去，你说的话一文不值
>>109441962
>still failing to provide bloat
>还是拿不出臃肿的证据
>>109442028
>>109441496
>>109441215
run the command he gave you then lazy faggot
跑一下他给你的命令，懒逼
>>109442083
>fails to understand
>还是理解不了
>>109441226
what games
啥游戏
what software in general has been entirely vibecoded?
总体来看有什么软件是完全靠瞎编代码整出来的？
>>109441403
Just delete them from source retard
直接从源码里删掉就行，傻逼
>>109431991
There's a big difference between using AI to help you write and review code that you design and understand, and jamming prompts into the AI with little to no understanding until something vaguely acceptable comes out. The former is using AI as a tool to help you code. The latter is vibe coding.
用AI帮你写和审查你设计并理解的代码，跟把提示词塞给AI、自己几乎啥都不懂直到碰出个勉强能用的东西，这两者天差地别。前者是拿AI当工具帮你写码，后者才叫vibe coding。
>>109442148
if that works, then there was indeed bloat.
如果删了还能跑，那确实就是臃肿。
Q.E.D. retard
证毕，傻逼
>>109442428
this anon gets it.
这位老哥说到点子上了。
vigilante projects that make no distinction in the name of fight against ai make it worse for themselves.
那些打着反AI旗号不分青红皂白的民间项目，反而把自己搞得更糟。
>>109442452
Having unused structs defined in the source, that never get used because all code that would create one is turned off, has no effect. It doesn't make the binary larger and doesn't affect performance. It may take a few milliseconds for the compiler to process during compile but that's the only effect it will have.
源码里定义了没用的结构体，但所有会实例化它们的代码都被关掉了，这没任何影响。不会让二进制变大，也不影响性能。顶多编译时让编译器多花几毫秒处理，仅此而已。
>>109443482
>Having unused structs defined in the source,
>源码里定义了没用的结构体，
no one said anything about unused structs. the bloat trickles down to fields and enum variants of USED types because of the need to support everything.
没人提没用的结构体。臃肿渗透到了正在使用的类型的字段和枚举变体上，因为得支持一切。
and again, if there is something that is "unused", we call that "bloat" too retard.
再说一遍，如果有啥是“没用的”，我们那也叫“臃肿”，傻逼。
>that never get used because all code that would create one is turned off
>因为所有会创建它的代码都被关掉了所以永远不会用到
no it's not. see above retard.
不是那样的。看上面，傻逼。
>has no effect
>没任何影响
if you start trimming/fucking with fields/variants/flags, you break API/ABI retard. and again, the need to trim is in and of itself an indication of the existence of bloat, retard.
你要是敢裁剪/乱搞字段/变体/标志位，你就把API/ABI搞崩了，傻逼。再说了，需要裁剪本身就是臃肿存在的证明，傻逼。
>It doesn't make the binary larger
>不会让二进制变大
it does retard. because "usage" is not all local with shared libraries retard.
会的，傻逼。因为“使用”在共享库的情况下不是全本地的，傻逼。
>and doesn't affect performance.
>也不影响性能
both orthogonal and wrong retard. extra variants may not affect performance IF AND ONLY IF the integer representation is the same between the trimmed and bloated versions. and the extra variants mean you can't use a smaller integer representation for enums and flags. as for structs, there is no IF, the overhead is always there, retard.
这说法既跑题又错误，傻逼。额外变体可能不影响性能，当且仅当整数表示在裁剪版和臃肿版之间相同时才行。而额外变体意味着你不能用更小的整数类型来表示枚举和标志位。至于结构体，没有“如果”，开销永远在那儿，傻逼。
>It may take a few milliseconds for the compiler to process during compile but that's the only effect it will have.
>编译时多花几毫秒，仅此而已。
both WRONG (see every point above), and compile-time-affecting code bloat is still bloat, retard.
全都错了（看上面每一点），而且影响编译期的代码膨胀照样是膨胀，智障。
ffmpeg wouldn't even deny any of this, it's part and parcel of wanting to be a "universal" solution.
ffmpeg 自己都不会否认这些，这是想当“万能”方案必然要付出的代价。
>>109439675
They prohibit its use for illegal means, thus limiting user freedom.
他们禁止用于非法用途，这就限制了用户自由。
>>109444087
>enum variants of USED types
>已使用类型的枚举变体
Again it doesn't affect performance or size if the enum values actually used have gaps.
再说一遍，如果实际用到的枚举值之间有间隙，那不影响性能或体积。
>fields
Okay, that adds a few bytes to a struct, but very little. And I don't know about ffmpeg but many programs #ifdef out unused fields in internal memory structures at compile time if the compile flags make them unnecessary. Of course if it's parameters for a call and you don't make use of some of them, yeah they're still there, but again this is the most minuscule amount of bloat that it can barely be called that.
好吧，这给结构体加几个字节，但真的很少。而且我不清楚ffmpeg，但很多程序在编译期会用#ifdef把内部内存结构里没用的字段去掉，如果编译标志让它们不必要的话。当然如果是调用参数，你不用其中一些，它们还在那儿，但这也是最微小级别的膨胀，几乎算不上膨胀。
>because of the need to support everything
>因为需要支持一切
Just because you don't use a given feature doesn't mean I don't, and vise versa. 99% of the time we use ffmpeg to process h264, h265, VP9 or AV1 video, but a lot of its value is in its flexibility, being able to also feed it that weird format video you found, or chain a series of images into a video.
你不用某个功能不代表我也不用，反过来也一样。99%的时间我们用ffmpeg处理h264、h265、VP9或AV1视频，但它的价值很大一部分在灵活性上，能喂给它你找到的那种古怪格式视频，或者把一串图片串成视频。
>if there is something that is "unused", we call that "bloat" too retard
>如果有东西“没用”，我们也管那叫“膨胀”，智障
>compile-time-affecting code bloat is still bloat, retard.
>影响编译期的代码膨胀照样是膨胀，智障。
Most retarded imaginable definition of bloat. What's next, kvetching about comments in the code?
这定义蠢得没边了。下一步是不是要抱怨代码里的注释？
>>109439675
I don't think you do
我不觉得你懂
>>109440196
>Russian and Chinese threat actors
>俄罗斯和中国的威胁行为者
Nobody's talking about the current US government in here.
这里没人提现在美国政府。
>>109444136
I think thats just the law lmao. By this standard everything is proprietary. Since you can't break the law with it.
我觉得这就是法律本身，笑死。按这个标准啥都是专有的，因为你不能用它违法。
>>109444326
>Just because you don't use a given feature doesn't mean I don't,
>你不用某个功能不代表我也不用，
you don't retard. check a list of what ffmpeg supports from formats to codecs, and you won't even recognize 90% of it.
你确实不用，智障。去查查ffmpeg支持的格式和编码器清单，90%你根本认不出。
how many wrong things are you going to state retardedly in this thread?
你在这帖子里要犯多少蠢错才罢休？
and no one argued that ffmpeg's universality is not contextually useful. it is. but that inherently comes with "bloat", and fighting against that very obvious fact produces the izzat retardation you did in this thread.
也没人说过ffmpeg的通用性在特定情境下没用。它确实有用。但那天然就带着“膨胀”，你硬要对抗这个明摆着的事实，就是你在这帖子里秀出的那种智障操作。
>>109444765
I don't use all of the features, but the features you use aren't the same as the features I use. Then factor other people in to it and it's pretty much all used by somebody. There are other more barebones video encoder programs out there, but ffmpeg's claim to fame is that it's the one that can open basically anything. And that's a large part of why people use it so much.
我不是所有功能都用，但你用的功能跟我用的不一样。再把其他人算进来，基本每个功能都有人用。市面上有更精简的视频编码程序，但ffmpeg出名就在于它基本什么都能打开。这也是人们大量用它的重要原因。
>>109444784
you're continuing to waffle with zero actual knowledge.
你继续在没半点真知的情况下瞎扯。
no one is using the codec from that one game released in 1995 which also used a retarded custom pixel format and also packed video audio frames in a funny way...etc.
没人用那个1995年出的游戏里的编码器，那游戏还用了智障的自定义像素格式，视频音频帧打包方式也很奇怪……等等。
this is what 90% of what ffmpeg supports is. it's not "5% users use this niche thing". its "1-2 people max use this niche thing".
这就是ffmpeg支持的90%内容的写照。不是“5%用户用这个小众玩意”，而是“最多1-2个人用这个小众玩意”。
i await your next izzat tard comment with great anticipation.
我满怀期待地等着你下一个关于izzat tard的评论。
>>109444841
someone is using it. if you don't want to use it build it without it.
有人在用它。你不想用就别用，自己绕开它造一个。
>>109434418
>>109440072
>transcoding program supporting codecs = bloat
>支持各种编解码器的转码程序 = 臃肿
you dont know what bloat means
你根本不懂什么叫臃肿。
>>109432393
>as long as there's a human reviewing
>只要有人类审核就行
haha, yea
哈哈，确实。
in other words, ffmpeg is about to become unstable
换句话说，ffmpeg快要变得不稳定了。
>>109444735
No, it's specifically a term in their license. GPL/MIT/BSD don't have this problem.
不，那是他们许可证里的一个特定术语。GPL/MIT/BSD没这个问题。
>>109432171
ichan
>>109437490
why are on /g/ you brainlet?
你跑/g/版来干嘛，脑残？
Also why are MBA faggots always like this? For decades they have been the literal wokjak angry face meme towards programmers. Is it because they know they're dumb and could easily be replaced by engineers if they weren't so spergy?
还有，MBA那帮傻逼怎么老这副德行？几十年了，他们对着程序员就是活脱脱的wokjak愤怒脸表情包。是不是因为他们知道自己蠢，而且要不是那么自闭，早就被工程师取代了？
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