/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Adjust your component choices based on local market prices

根据当地市场价格调整组件选择

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE

Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Provide specific use cases

提供具体使用场景

State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

说明BUDGET（预算）和COUNTRY（国家），否则绝不帮

Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE

mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, XT M3

mATX：AP201、联力A3、XT M3

ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360

ATX：XT PRO (ULTRA)、AIR 903 Base/MAX、Lancool 207/217、Flux Pro、Meshify 3、4000D 框架、X50、BF360

Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

双腔: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU

Budget: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225/F, 12600K/F, 5600/X

预算配置：7500F、7/9600/X、225/F、12600K/F、5600/X

Gaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800XT

游戏配置：9850X3D、9/7800X3D、250K、5800XT

Workstation: 9950X/3D, 9900X/3D, 270K

工作站：9950X/3D、9900X/3D、270K

>COOLER

AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, be Quiet Silent Loop 3

一体式水冷：Thermalright Frozen Edge、Cooler Master Atmos、Lian Li GA II Lite、Corsair Nautilus RS、be Quiet Silent Loop 3

Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2

双塔风冷：A620 PRO SE、Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3、NH-D15 G2

ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

ITX/>42mm 内存兼容：Mugen 6 Dual Fan、AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change), KryoSheet (carbon sheet)

硅脂(TIM)：MX-7、Duronaut、PTM7950 (相变片)、KryoSheet (碳片)

*Most listings online are not actually 7950

*网上大多数 listings 其实根本不是 7950

>MOTHERBOARD

Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

避开华擎(ASRock) AM5 主板，CPU 降频/降解问题仍有报告。

>RAM

DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)

DDR5：2x16GB 或 2x24GB，6000CL30 (AMD)，6400CL32 (Intel)

Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

工作站：2x 32GB (预算型)，2x48GB 或 2x64GB (高端)

DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)

>SSD (保持固件更新)

DRAMless: 7100, NM790

无DRAM缓存方案：7100、NM790

PCIe Gen 4.0: 850X

Gen 5.0: 8100

https://borecraft.com/

>GPU

Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt, 5060

预算显卡：Arc B580、9060xt、5060

-Used: Turing

-二手：Turing 架构

*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p

*8GB 显存即便在 1080p 下也已成为主要瓶颈

Midrange: 5070, 9070

中端显卡：5070、9070

-Used: 3080/ti

-二手：3080/ti

High-end: 5070ti, 9070xt

高端显卡：5070ti、9070xt

Workstation: 5090, 7900XTX

工作站显卡：5090、7900XTX

>PSU

Buying guide:

购买指南：

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR

1080p: 24" 165/180hz IPS, KTC H25X7

1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

1440p：27英寸 165/180Hz IPS 屏，KTC M27T6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

4K:KTC M27P6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

4K：KTC M27P6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

>OS

Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

激活 Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS

Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans

机箱建议：自带优质 PWM 风扇的机箱

Midrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)

中端风扇：Pure Wings 3、Arctic P12 Pro、P14 Pro (5包装，高转速下较吵)

High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

高端风扇：Fractal Momentum、Noctua G2 (140mm 或 120mm)

Prev: >>109406033

上一篇：>>109406033

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785474295109814.png

Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

独立思考。不要盲目信任这里给出的建议。

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>A /pcbg/ 适用于每种使用场景和预算！

>Price tracking

>价格追踪

RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities

SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd

GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026

>2026 GPU 层级排行

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews

>电源评测

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

https://www.lttlabs.com/

https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:

给喜欢排行榜的朋友：

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews

>存储设备评测

https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)

https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter

>显示器猎人

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links

>其他有用链接

Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/

German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/

Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

>>109415840

>anime girl on the packing box

>包装盒上印着动漫妹子

>not on the GPU itself

>显卡本体上却没有

one fucking job, retards!

就他妈一件事都干不好，傻逼们！

Hmmmmm. I can't help but notice the lack of a Blackwell 6000 and 9950X3D2 in the OP.

嗯……我忍不住注意到楼主没放Blackwell 6000和9950X3D2。

I have a 9070xt, and call me stupid but I think I’m going to get a 5080 before the prices increases

我有一块9070xt，骂我蠢也行，但我打算在涨价前搞一块5080

Furthermore, I’m going to get a 5070ti and 5060ti for good measure. Yeah it’s fomo but atleast I’ll have multiple cards to fall back on if things go to shit

另外，我还会顺手买一块5070ti和5060ti以防万一。对，是FOMO，但至少如果情况糟糕我还有多张卡能兜底。

>>109415875

icraft would never make such an amateurish mistake

icraft绝不会犯这种业余错误

>>109415885

Hmmmmm. Usecase?

嗯……用例呢？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785475064927851.png

>>109415885

>MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>109415840

>>109415919

poor girl missing textures on the outfit :(

可怜的姑娘，服装上缺了纹理贴图 :(

>>109415919

Y no anime boy husbando card? :(

为什么没有动漫男老公卡？:(

>>109415906

I am jacking off right now and plan on leaving my load in this public restroom

我现在正在打飞机，打算把精华留在这个公共厕所里

>>109415919

I don't do the usecase dance. I just get what I want.

我不玩什么用例那套。我只拿我想要的。

>>109416262

then you're the 0.01% who's beyond usecase and should not care about value-oriented recommendations because nobody will validate your purchase

那你就是那0.01%超越用例的人，不该在乎那些价值导向的推荐，因为没人会为你的购买背书

>>109416317

hold up. why are we talking about value in a tier list?

等等，我们为什么在分级表里谈价值？

just for the record: i do not expect anybody to add it to the op i am really interested in the copes why THO.

先说清楚：我不指望任何人把它加进主帖，我只是真想知道那些借口是啥。

>>109416341

it's a value-tier list, not an absolute tier list

这是价值分级表，不是绝对分级表

>>109416419

i can accept that. i wont accept that makes the lack justified THOUGH.

这个我能接受。但我不能接受因此就认为缺口是合理的。

>>109416480

you can go make your own performance pcbg /ppcbg/ and list the 9950x3d2 and blackwell 6000 pro ws as the only recommendation

你可以自己去搞个性能向的pcbg/ppcbg/，然后把9950x3d2和blackwell 6000 pro ws列成唯一推荐

>>109416485

that would be silly anonny-chan.

那太蠢了，anonny酱。

>>109415840

Budget: 1000usd

预算：1000美元

Location: america

地点：美国

I currently have a 43" 60hz 4k ips monitor and a 3090

我目前有一台43英寸60Hz 4K IPS显示器，还有一张3090

I would like to replace it with something around that size but high refresh rate and gsync/freesync preferably

我想换一台差不多大小、但高刷新率，最好带gsync/freesync的

I don't mind an ultrawide as long as it's like 45" or bigger

超宽屏也行，只要大约45英寸或更大

Only thing is I have an IKEA Alex desk so the stand has to be able to work around the alex's cable drawer, so no centered stands

唯一问题是我是宜家Alex桌子，所以支架得能避开Alex的线缆抽屉，不能居中支架

it's cheaper to outsource to Indians and Malaysians to make their games in UE5 than to hire skilled programmers to make and maintain custom purpose-built game engines.

外包给印度人和马来西亚人用UE5做游戏，比雇熟练程序员开发并维护专门定制的游戏引擎更便宜。

>Yibo Liu - Halo Campaign Evolved Art Director

>Yibo Liu - Halo Campaign Evolved艺术总监

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yiboliu_one-down-one-more-to-go-i-had-never-shipped-activity-7460784930868875264-i1WJ

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yiboliu_halo-campaign-evolved-launch-trailer-activity-7486463453600305152-VDsa

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785483650538023.jpg

>>109416736

Why is this nigga so excited about forced chromatic abberation

这货为什么对强制色差这么兴奋？

>buying a gaming PC

>买一台游戏PC

What for? UE5 slop?

干嘛用？玩UE5垃圾？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785484324058002.jpg

Good for the 9800x3D right? I was going for the for the asrock nova or the aorus elite but there was a lot of a bad feedback from both.

对9800x3D来说不错对吧？我本来打算选asrock nova或aorus elite，但两个的差评都很多。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785485462389519.jpg

>>109416913

Its great aside from the usual flashing bios fuckery that's utter aids to deal with. Maybe look for a newer release mobo in the same range, i hear a new range is coming out for all the platforms, other anons in here would be more knowledgable.

除了那些常见的刷BIOS折腾，简直就是噩梦，其他都挺好。也许看看同价位的新版主板吧，听说所有平台都要出新系列，这里其他anon懂得更多。

I have that mobo, first one was DOA where i couldn't flash the bios, neither could the pc store guy. Replacement one came and i was able to, although i had to try 3 diff usb sticks first.

我有那块板子，第一块直接到手就是坏的，BIOS刷不了，电脑店的人也搞不定。换了一块后能刷了，但得先试三个不同的U盘。

>>109416913

my friend works at an IT shop and they assemble PC's with AM5 CPUs all the time and that mohawk one is the one they found most reliable so they just use it en masse.

我朋友在IT店工作，他们天天组装AM5的PC，那个mohawk型号是他们觉得最稳的，所以直接大批量用。

I guess it is good?

我觉得应该不错吧？

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/X4Vmxf

Is this ok?

这个可以吗？

>>109416969

That's a case meant to showcase very flashy rgb components but you chose the most plain ones and it's going to look naked without a couple of fan kits.

那是个专门秀花哨RGB配件的机箱，但你选了最朴素的配件，不加几把风扇套件的话会看起来很空。

>>109416969

>$1070 for 5070ti

>5070ti卖1070美元

Lmao

Should I buy a used 3080-Ti (12GB) or a new 5060-Ti (8GB)?

我应该买二手的3080-Ti（12GB）还是全新的5060-Ti（8GB）？

>>109417037

RX 9070

>>109417040

That's too expensive for me

那对我来说太贵了

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-radeon-rx-9050-review-shows-around-30-lower-performance-than-rtx-5050-in-games

HE BUYED BOUGHTED AYYMDEAD FULL RETARD GPU

>>109417085

I mean in this case it's the system integrators who are buy boughting it. Well I guess if it's a net browsing and indieslop box then the end buyer is just getting what they can afford, it's acceptable in that niche.

我的意思是，这种情况是系统集成商在买。嗯，我觉得如果是用来上网和玩独立游戏垃圾的盒子，那最终买家也就是买他们买得起的，在那个细分市场是可以接受的。

>>109417055

6800XT?

>>109417135

They don't have that in the shops

商店里没得卖

>>109417085

Crazy that Doom Dark Ages gets 280fps on 5050 but less than 120 on 9050

真疯狂，Doom Dark Ages 在5050上能跑280fps，但在9050上不到120

>>109417142

Shit then the 5060ti you can oc it to match the 3080ti and you get all the latest features. The lower vram sucks but that's what DLSS is for they want you to upscale 720p to 1440p or some shit.

靠，那5060ti你超一下频就能追上3080ti，还能享受所有最新功能。显存小是烦，但那就是DLSS存在的意义，他们想让你把720p升到1440p之类的。

>>109417145

It's explained in the text

文里解释过了

> the RTX 5050 used DLSS Multi Frame Generation at 4x or 6x in Cyberpunk 2077, Onimusha, DOOM and Assassin’s Creed Black Flag

> RTX 5050 在《赛博朋克2077》《鬼武者》《DOOM》和《刺客信条：黑旗》里用了DLSS多帧生成，4x或6x

>>109417169

>frame generation

>帧生成

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785488260889886.jpg

>>109417169

so not a like-for-like comparison then

那这就不是同级别对比了

yawn

>>109415840

Finished by i7-4970K 32GB DDr3 and 1080Ti SC2 , z87 mpower and coolermaster case build, it's got a thermalright cooler and a fractal design 650 watt PSU. 2 SSDs and and DVD RW/. Runs like a dream, 60 FPS on high defaults on cyberpunk 2077, days gone on high is in the 100s, runs lm studio fine Has win 10 rn, next is an extra 500 GB MSATA and a wifi bluetooth card (using a shit tplink wifi USB rn). Two fans in the frond, one in the rear.

完工了，i7-4970K、32GB DDR3、1080Ti SC2、z87 mpower主板和酷冷至尊机箱，配了个利民散热器和海韵650瓦电源。两块SSD加一个DVD刻录机。跑起来跟做梦一样，赛博朋克2077高预设60fps，往日不再高预设100多帧，跑LM Studio也稳稳的。现在是Win10，下一步加个500GB MSATA和无线蓝牙卡（现在用个垃圾TP-Link USB无线）。前面两个风扇，后面一个。

Total cost, 75 bucks for the motherboard. No ARGB shit but the mpower board has lights (including a nice two digit debugging display and lit buttons and logo) and I left the leds on the 1080 on red. CPU temps are in the 30s and GPU in the 40s. Novabench buts it at 1873. I'm not even going to bother overclocking it, it's fine and lovely,

总成本，主板75刀。没有ARGB那些花里胡哨的，但mpower板子有灯（包括一个漂亮的双位数debug显示屏，还有亮着的按键和logo），1080的灯我留着红色。CPU温度30多度，GPU 40多度。Novabench跑分1873。我连超频都懒得搞，挺好挺舒服的。

delighted with it., that was a nice build.

爽死了，那是个不错的装机。

>>109416810

I thought we had escaped the Brown and Bloom Era.

我还以为我们逃过布朗和布鲁姆时代了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785489707028669.jpg

>>109417257

samefag 1080ti SC2 is evga 11GB, nice card. Two of the case fans were the collermasters that came in it and one is an artic, thermalright assasin king with five heat pipes, one CPU fan on its pushing air straight back through it to the rear case fan. GPU and CPU paste is artic and doing fine. Really saisfing build, i recommend doing a similar wih a 1080ti and i7-4090k holds up absolutely fine for anything you might care about. Zero practical difference between it and a DDR5 intel 14th gen with a 5060

同一个人，1080ti SC2是EVGA 11GB版本，好卡。机箱风扇两个是酷冷至尊自带的，一个是Arctic的，利民刺客王带五根热管，一个CPU风扇直吹后部机箱风扇。GPU和CPU硅脂都是Arctic的，状态很好。这装机真让人满足，我推荐你也搞一套类似的，1080ti加i7-4090k，任何你可能在乎的东西都完全够用。跟DDR5 Intel第14代加5060比，实际体验零差别。

>>109417303

>Zero practical difference between it and a DDR5 intel 14th gen with a 5060

>跟DDR5 Intel第14代加5060比，实际体验零差别

but how am i supposed to justify my purchases

但那我还怎么证明自己花钱花得值

>>109416969

>>109415840

It's actually kind of insane. This is the RAM I got after a 6000 corsair kit shit itself. (the only PC parts I've had fail where it legitimately wasn't user error were corsair).

这真的有点离谱。这是我那套6000海盗船内存条挂掉之后买的。（我唯一因为非人为因素坏掉的PC配件都是海盗船。）

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/ThdG3C/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-7200-cl34-memory-pvv532g720c34k

480 euro - 640 euros. Absolute insanity. That's a 5x - 6x increase in price. I paid roughly 100gbp on amazon. How is that even actually possible?

480欧元到640欧元。简直疯了。那是5倍到6倍的价格涨。我在亚马逊上花了大概100英镑买的。这怎么可能？

On that topic has anyone tried the new AMD gpu driver. I'm kind of cautious. I've had like 3 weeks with 1 timeout.

说到这个，有人试过新的AMD显卡驱动吗？我有点谨慎。我三周里已经超时一次了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785490711193669.png

>>109417313

i dunno anon, I have a 14th gen i5 box with 16GB DDR5 and a 500 GB M2 Nvme I go for peanuts a while ago (300 bucks at at n auction witha few moniors0. I'ts brand new and I threw a 5060 in it and it has no soul. I just like 4th gen inel and 1080s, built a couple of 4970s low watt machines with 1030s and SSDs to use on my solar and water turbine power system as well. I think tech may have peaked there in reality. Have a few NAS on spinning rust too. The i7-4790 started as a use these parts build but it's perfectly fine doing LMStudio stuff with the same small models that are used on 16GB cads and I don;t really care about games ha muc but tried the ones I have for benching, like warhammer three, cyberpunk, days gone, doom 2016, battlefield one etc and it runs them all fine on high fine. It's really interesting to go back and find out that pracically we have not really moved on at all in a decade dispite numbers. You could build a similar machine just for the price of 32GB of DDR5 (spoiler, it is worth doing, yes)

不知道啊匿名，我有台14代i5的机器，16GB DDR5加500GB M2 NVMe，之前拍卖会上捡的便宜（300刀还带几个显示器）。全新，我塞了张5060进去，但感觉没灵魂。我就是喜欢4代Intel和1080，还组了几台低功耗的4970配1030和SSD，用在我的太阳能和水力发电系统上。我觉得科技可能那时候就到顶了。也整了几台用机械硬盘的NAS。i7-4790最开始只是凑零件装的，但跑LMStudio那些小模型完全没问题，跟16GB显卡上用的差不多，我也不太在乎游戏帧数，不过试过手头几个跑分用的，像战锤三、赛博朋克、往日不再、毁灭战士2016、战地1这些，高画质全流畅。回头看看很有意思，十年了实际没怎么进步，就是数字变大了。你可以用32GB DDR5的价格就组台差不多的机器（剧透，真值得搞，是的）

>>109417313

the main difference is games at 100fps vs games at 200fps and maybe unnoticably faster token generation my llms. The thing is I really don't notice any difference with games at 200fps vs 100fps and if an LLM is generating faster than reading speed it is fine either way.

主要区别就是游戏100帧对200帧，还有LLM生成token可能快得感觉不出来。问题是200帧跟100帧我根本看不出差别，LLM生成速度超过阅读速度的话，咋样都行。

i-4790 +1080ti with 32gb 1600 and ssds is absolutely fine, usable for everything with no lags or issues I can find.

i7-4790加1080ti，32GB 1600内存配SSD，完全没问题，干啥都不卡，找不出毛病。

>>109417360

here

i7-4790k dunno 50-80 bucks

i7-4790k大概50到80刀

32 gb ddr3 1600 dunno 40 bucks

32GB DDR3 1600大概40刀

650 watt psu dunno 50 bucks

650瓦电源大概50刀

coolermaster or other case 50-70 bucks

酷冷或其他机箱50到70刀

thermalright cooler 20-30 bucks

利民散热器20到30刀

paste 10 bucks

硅脂10刀

1080ti dunno 150-200 bucks maybe

1080ti大概150到200刀吧

few extra case fans 20 bucks

几个额外机箱风扇20刀

couple of 1tb ssds dunno 100 bucks

两块1TB SSD大概100刀

dvd rw 20 bucks

DVD刻录机20刀

some sata cables 10 bucks

几条SATA线10刀

z87 motherboard dunno 50-100 bucks

Z87主板大概50到100刀

so 550-

500-800 or so depending on what you have lying around and how cheap you find stuff, yeah at 500 or so less than the cost of just the 32GB of DDR5

总共500到800左右，看你手头有什么和捡漏多便宜，对，500刀出头比光买32GB DDR5还便宜

pcbg will now hate me for not setting money on fire for nothing I'll get my coat and leave, being honest like this upsets people probably why I don't have a ton of frens

PC党现在肯定恨我没把钱烧着玩，我拿外套走了，这么诚实容易气到人，大概这就是我没多少朋友的原因

>>109417257

should have gone 5960x desu

应该上5960X的desu

old 8-core cpus like that are goats

那种老8核CPU是神兽级别的

>>109417160

Thanks, I probably won't be getting a used card after all

谢了，我大概还是不买二手卡了

>tfw DeepCool CPU cooler

>tfw DeepCool CPU散热器

burgerclaps can't even legally buy these.

burgerclaps连合法买这些都做不到。

>>109417523

Maybe but I just had the parts dude, just needed the board and I had a couple of new coolernaster cases lying around

也许吧，但我就是有那堆零件，只需要主板，而且我手头还有几个全新的酷冷机箱

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>>109417485

I know it will run almost pretty much anything you want. But isn't it crazy that a CPU from 12 years ago can still play games and function at all. It's like expecting a 2002 computer to be able to do 2014 things. Which just... Doesn't work. The first x64 CPU wasn't even released.

我知道它基本能跑你想跑的任何东西。但你不觉得疯狂吗，12年前的CPU现在还能玩游戏正常用。就像期待一台2002年的电脑能干2014年的事，那根本不行。第一颗x64 CPU当时都还没出呢。

Just goes to show how shit has stagnated. Up until a few years ago I built an aliexpress X99 with a xeon E5 2630v3 and played games for about a year at 2.40Ghz hahahahahaha.

这就说明技术停滞有多严重了。就在几年前，我攒了一台速卖通买的X99平台，配了颗Xeon E5 2630v3，然后以2.40GHz的频率打了一年游戏哈哈哈哈哈。

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>>109417169

>6x frame generation

>6倍帧生成

I hope you nogs like the input latency being shoved into your rectum during gameplay.

我希望你们这帮傻子喜欢游戏时输入延迟被硬塞进屁眼里的感觉。

>>109417543

yeah that's it dude you get it, and lmstudio is fine basically equal to an i5-14000 and 16gb ddr5 and a 5060 maybe better even, have to bench them on the same models sometime the last decade is just a feverdream tech wise when it comes down to practical use. Honesly I mostly play old rts on win xp and win 7 builds but it runs all the games anyone sane might care about like cyberpunk on high just fine too. Dunno man strange times we are living in. In the end the only think left was the marketing bods fake numbers and hype

是的，就是这样，哥们你懂了，而且lmstudio用起来也差不多，基本等同于i5-14000加16GB DDR5再加个5060，可能还要更好点，得找时间在同型号上跑跑测试。过去这十年从实际使用角度看，简直跟做梦一样。说实话我大部分时间都在Win XP和Win 7的机器上打老RTS，但它也能跑所有正常人会关心的游戏，比如赛博朋克开高画质也完全没问题。不知道啊，我们生活在一个怪异的时代。最后剩下的就只有营销部门编的假数字和吹嘘。

>>109417543

the i7-4090k is 4 base and 4.4 single thread probably could oc it to 4,6 but given it's already fine and not even maxing out on anything why bother? Anyhow I'm saying bald truth having just had these two machines on and comparing them, literally no point in getting a i5 14400 ddr5 nvme and 5060 if you can get an i7-4090k 32gb SSD and a 1080ti. Both are pretty much the same or one is a bit better in some way you won't even notice without a perf overlay open, even for lmstudio gank

i7-4090k是4核基础频率4.4单线程，可能能超到4.6，但既然它已经够用而且什么都不会满载，何必呢？反正我说的是大实话，刚把这两台机器都开着对比了一下，如果你能搞到i7-4090k加32GB SSD和1080ti，那i5 14400加DDR5加NVMe加5060真的毫无意义。两者差不多，或者一个在某些方面稍微好点，但你不开性能浮层根本察觉不到，就算跑lmstudio也一样。

it's all gud, enjoy your shit either way.

都挺好的，不管哪样，你就好好享受吧。

>>109417568

>I mostly play old rts

>我大部分时间打老RTS

Give us a list

列个清单呗

Day4 of no 5090 + 77" OLED

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>>109417622

Oh fuck that's a lot to ask

哦操，这可太多了

close combat (all of them)

近距离作战（全系列）

Sudden strike 1/2

突袭1/2

Dune 2000

沙丘2000

Warcraft orcs and humans

魔兽争霸：兽人与人类

Warcraft 2

魔兽争霸2

Command and conquer and ret alert

命令与征服和红色警戒

Warcraft 3 and frozen throne

魔兽争霸3和冰封王座

Empire earth 1/2

地球帝国1/2

total war shogun and mongul invasion

全面战争：幕府和蒙古入侵

total war rome and alexander

全面战争：罗马和亚历山大

total war medieval 2 and vikings

全面战争：中世纪2和维京

Total anhiliation kingdoms

横扫千军之王国

Populous

Total anihilation

横扫千军

Pratoreans

Caesar 1-3

凯撒1-3

Railroad Tycoon

铁路大亨

World in Conflick

世界冲突

Universe at war

宇宙战争

starcraft

warhammer mark of chaos

战锤：混沌印记

dune emperor of dune

沙丘：帝王之战

Age of empires 1/2/mythology

帝国时代1/2/神话

stronghold 1/2

要塞1/2

sim city 2000

模拟城市2000

warhammer 40000 and dawn of war

战锤40000和战争黎明

civilisation 1-4

文明1-4

pharoh

star wars universe at war

星球大战：宇宙战争

and more

还有更多

I have them all on physical media and they all are played on metal win 7 and XP builds because it just works. I [picked up a moutain of pre steam DVD case games for cents a pice, for a while they weree everywhere for nothing so I stocked up with all the stuff I like. I have a steam account sinve half life forced me tol and it's got I dunno a hundred games I picked up on it over the last 20 years like battlefiel 1, cyberpunkm doom 2016, days gone etc etc but since I have about 1000 360 and ps1 and ps1 games on physical covering most of the 2010s FPS stuff and that I don't use it much. PC gaming changed a lot when it went FPS and 3rd person view spastic. I hate multiplater games unless the are LAN

这些我全都有实体光盘，而且全都在纯Win 7和XP系统上跑，因为直接就能用。我捡了一大堆Steam之前的DVD盒装游戏，几毛钱一个，那阵子这些东西到处都是白送，所以我把喜欢的都囤了。我有个Steam账号，因为半条命逼我注册的，上面大概有一百来款游戏，是过去20年陆续买的，比如战地1、赛博朋克、毁灭战士2016、往日不再之类的，但因为我手头有大约1000张360、PS1和PS2的实体盘，覆盖了2010年代大部分FPS内容，所以Steam用得不多。PC游戏转向FPS和第三人称视角那种抽搐式玩法之后变化太大了。我讨厌联机游戏，除非能局域网玩。

>>109417772

>Day 518 of owning a 5090 but no 77" oled

>拥有5090已经518天了，但还没有77寸OLED

>>109417772

Perfectly happy with a 50 inch UHD TV desu for consoles and PC stuff big screen. I find more than 50 inch screen annoying. They are like VR, seems like it would be cool, but it is not so.

50寸的UHD电视玩主机和PC大屏游戏我完全满意，desu。我觉得超过50寸的屏幕很烦人。它们就像VR，看起来好像很酷，但其实不是那么回事。

>>109417543

whats really crazy is reading stuff like this coming from a 4790k to a 7800x3d 2 years ago and being baffled by the attempt at gaslighting.

真正疯狂的是，两年前从4790k换到7800x3d，读这种帖子还觉得被人忽悠，真是让人摸不着头脑。

>>109417801

whatever dude enjoy your extra 100 fps or whatever it makes fuck all difference to me and unless you have a 32gb or 24gb nvidia gpu you are not going to be running bigger models either

随便吧兄弟，享受你多出来的那100帧什么的，对我来说屁用没有。而且除非你有32GB或24GB的Nvidia显卡，不然你也跑不了更大的模型。

>>109417785

>but no 77" oled

>但是没有77寸OLED

you are playing at 50% potential, or arguably 33%

你只发挥了50%的潜力，或者说33%

>>109417790

no decent tv comes at 50" so you gotta upgrade

没有像样的电视是50寸的，所以你得上更高的尺寸

>I find more than 50 inch screen annoying

>我觉得超过50寸的屏幕很烦人

entirely your distance to display thouigh

这完全取决于你离屏幕的距离好吧

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>>109417801

mayube you are one of these people who measures performance by how many pointless taskbar icons you have bottom left and cum when you add something extra to startup reg keys , I dunno each to their own for me there is no real difference from someting at 60 or 100 fps+ at high and something at 200 tell me something else you do with it that I should care about for practical performance that's not trying to use overlay stats on steam gayming that make zero real difference to the games as a bench. I'm listening

也许你就是那种靠左下角有多少个没用的任务栏图标来衡量性能的人，加载一个额外启动项就高潮了，我不知道，各人有各人的爱好吧。对我来说，60帧或100帧+的高画质和200帧之间没什么实际区别。告诉我你还能用它做什么让我在乎的实际性能提升，别拿Steam游戏上那些叠加统计来说事，那对游戏本身作为基准零实际影响。我听着呢。

>>109417813

ok fine. my updoot path looks like this.

行吧好吧。我的升级路线是这样的。

4790k and r9 290

4790k和r9 290

i was playing satifsaftory at the time and couldnt even play native 1440p at reasonable framerates anymore.

当时我在玩满意工厂，已经没法在原生1440p下跑合理帧率了。

to a 6800xt

a big uplift in framerate but now, that i was being limited hard by the platform the frametimes and hitching while loading got really REALLY bad.

帧率大幅提升，但当时我被平台严重限制，加载时的帧生成时间和卡顿变得非常非常糟糕。

to a 7800x3d

i stopped playing games in general about here and started a mid life crisis.

差不多在这时候我基本不玩游戏了，开始了一场中年危机。

to a blackwell 6000

换到黑威尔6000

to a 9950x3d2

i run gemma 4 31b and anima. sometimes i play project zomboid or kenshi lol.

我跑gemma 4 31b和anima。有时候玩玩僵尸毁灭工程或剑士哈哈。

>>109417813

>>109417840

>gaslighting intensifies

>忽悠升级了

>>109417819

>entirely your distance to display thouigh

>这完全取决于你离屏幕的距离好吧

yeah probably just a personal thing to do with eyes or something but my blondy felt the same way about the 68 inch we had and we got rid of it and gave it away

对，可能纯属个人眼睛之类的问题，但我女朋友对我们之前那台68寸也有同感，我们就把它处理掉送人了。

>>109417848

oh I see you're just being a faggot in your emperors new clothes, I have a modetrn ddr5 machine it's not practically better in any way stop huffing your own farts cos you bought something, it's not a superpower

哦我明白了，你就是穿着皇帝新装在那装逼吧。我有台现代DDR5的机器，它实际没有任何更好，别因为买了点东西就自嗨了，那不是什么超能力。

>>109417257

that looks comfy. I guess it uses a bunch more power than a modern build. I've been looking at building something with a i7-2600, it should be vaguely around the level of 10 gen i3 or something.

那看起来挺舒服的。我猜它比现代配置耗电多一些。我一直在琢磨用i7-2600组一台，应该大致相当于10代i3的水平吧。

>>109417861

On that you may be right but the low power builds I have done are i7490s with 1030s and 32GB DDR3 although I do find the i7-14700T interesting and might build a box for one someday. Not sure if they suffer from voltage aids used. Probably do.

那方面你可能说得对，但我做过的低功耗配置是i7-490s配1030和32GB DDR3，不过我倒是对i7-14700T挺感兴趣，哪天说不定给它组一台。不知道它们会不会有电压毛病。大概会有吧。

>>109417848

you're the one who can't answer the question dude

是你自己回答不了这问题，兄弟。

>>109417840

>0 tell me something else you do with it that I should care about for practical performance that's not trying to use overlay stats on steam gayming that make zero real difference to the games as a bench. I'm listening

>0 跟我说说你用它还能干啥，能让实际性能有感知的，别整那些Steam游戏里的覆盖统计，那玩意儿对游戏基准根本没屁用。我在听。

>>109417897

i tolded you up there. satisfactory hitched like crazy while loading (traveling by train if you want specifics) and i run gemma4 31b and anima now.

我上面跟你说了啊。玩《幸福工厂》的时候卡得要死，加载的时候（具体说是坐火车旅行的时候），我现在还跑Gemma 4 31B和Anima呢。

>>109417842

yet you missed the 1080ti sauce it is a vital ingredient.

可你还是漏了1080ti这关键料，那是灵魂配料。

>>109417914

nope you are just an arsehole m8 and spurting shit and money like a methhead at 2am and gaining fuck all.

不，你就是个傻逼老哥，跟凌晨两点的冰毒瘾君子一样喷粪撒钱，屁都没捞着。

>>109417021

It's gone crazy I dunno how HUB said it's prices are still good

价格疯了吧，我也不知道HUB怎么说它价格还行。

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>>109417842

>4790k and r9 290

>4790k加r9 290

>i was playing satifsaftory at the time and couldnt even play native 1440p at reasonable framerates anymore.

>我当时在玩幸福工厂，连原生1440p都跑不到合理帧数了。

a 1090ti would have changed that o well, I guess you are new to this stuff or something

一张1090ti就能改变一切，唉，估计你是新手或者啥也不懂吧。

>>109417842

>mid life crisis.

>中年危机。

fair enough probably should have done the car thing instead

说得对，早知道该去折腾车。

>>109417944

>a 1080ti would have changed that o well, I guess you are new to this stuff or something

>一张1080ti就能改变一切，唉，估计你是新手或者啥也不懂吧。

1080ti>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> r9 290

>>109417842

>blackwell 6000

>黑威尔 6000

>>109417842

>i run gemma 4 31b

>我跑Gemma 4 31B

ok keewl what do you do with it? I want to know what I'm missing out on here, I have guttenberg and wikipedia on zom and 10,000 text short stories ingested and vectored along with whisper and piper and I walk around with a bluetooth headphones talking to mine, mainloy I get it to read fiction, like house on the borderlands written the the style of egar rice burroughs

行吧酷啊，你拿它干啥？我想知道我错过了啥。我这边有古腾堡计划和维基百科塞到ZOM里，还有一万篇短篇故事做了向量化，配了Whisper和Piper，我戴着蓝牙耳机到处走跟它唠嗑，主要让它念小说，比如《边境之屋》用埃德加·赖斯·巴勒斯风格写的那种。

what do you do with it I care about and pls don't say pedo anime

你用它能干啥我关心的，拜托别说恋童动漫。

>>109417934

Glad I builded my mini itx two months ago. The 5070ti I bought is now 200+€ more expensive.

幸好我两个月前装好了我的迷你ITX。我买的5070ti现在涨了200多欧。

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>>109417968

yeah its just pedo anime.

对对对，就是恋童动漫。

ummmm i ran sentient sands for a bit but it didnt work out very well with large groups of npcs. like individual conversations were near enough to instant but if there were 20 people listening in it would take far too long to go through them all.

嗯……我跑过一段sentient sands，但大量NPC一起的时候效果不太好。单人对话基本秒回，但如果有20个人在旁边听，挨个过一遍就太久了。

literally nothing else cool.

真没啥别的酷的了。

you still need one tho. everybody does. think of how happy Jensen would be.

但你还是得有一张。人人都得有。想想老黄得多开心。

>>109417849

bigger is better idk just look at any tv irl you always prefer bigger (Pause)

越大越好，不知道，你看看现实里任何电视，你总会更喜欢大的（停顿）

>>109418002

Yes, I also use my GPU to think of new and creative ways to strike jensens financial cock sadly they make now difference to the things I actually do with my computah but one day..one day jenses penis will rip though my screen at 144P 8K and everything will be fine and I'll notice a difference in cyberpunk 2077 maybe if I squint or am drunk..

是的，我也用我的GPU想着怎么花样抽老黄的钱包屌，可惜这些对老子电脑上干的事毫无影响，但总有一天……有一天老黄的屌会以144P 8K从我的屏幕里捅出来，一切就好了，我在赛博朋克2077里也许能看出区别，如果我眯着眼或者喝醉了……

>>109418017

god i can only hope...

老天，我真希望如此……

>>109417779

>no earth 2150

>没有地球2150 ♘ 我要等到6090（69，懂不？XD）2028/2029年发布。那玩意儿绝对爽炸。兄弟们，稳住。

faggot

>>109415840

I'm gonna WAIT for the 6090 (69 get it? xD) to release in 2028/2029. It shall be utterly glorious. Stay patient, fellow brethren.

我要等6090（69你们懂的，笑死）在2028/2029年发布。那必将无比辉煌。各位兄弟，保持耐心。

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it's over

完了

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>>109418102

mfw eagerly awaiting 6-9k msrp 6090 saving up my shekels carefully

我正眼巴巴等着6090的MSRP，六千到九千，小心翼翼攒我的谢克尔。

hopefully im gainfully employed when it drops.. r-right?

希望发布的时候我还有个正经工作……对吧？

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>>109418016

>(Pause)

Keep the nigger culture shit to the skreets, Tyrone.

把那种黑佬文化垃圾留在街上，Tyrone。

>>109418194

cant be caught actin sus in pcbg sheeeet

在pcbg里可不能被人抓到可疑操作，靠。

>amdip was caused by a messed up Nvidia driver install

>AMD驱动问题其实是Nvidia驱动装坏了导致的

Kek

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>>109418245

Jewfes sends his regards

犹太佬向你问好。

>Shitai SSD

>屎态SSD

>>109418245

>funny enough, bro5 actually also reached out to two pc tuning guys in china and found out their optimizations were full of shit.

>搞笑的是，bro5还真联系了两个中国的电脑调校佬，发现他们的优化全是屁话。

Some things never change lol

有些事永远不变哈哈

>>109417779

I appreciate it anon. I've been playing some obscure ones, likes Rising Kingdoms, Kingdom Under Fire Gold, and Rival Realms.

谢了匿名老哥。我一直在玩些冷门游戏，比如《Rising Kingdoms》《Kingdom Under Fire Gold》和《Rival Realms》。

>>109415946

If anyone is curious I passed out while jacking off in a public restroom while drunk. I wokeup like an hour ago.

谁好奇的话，我昨晚喝多了在公厕打飞机时晕过去了。大概一小时前才醒。

>>109418454

>>109417779

scbw without remaster is free on bnet is kinda crazy

星际争霸原版没重制版免费挂战网上真的有点离谱

>>109418478

Learn to speak english you fucking mudblood

学学英语吧你个该死的泥巴种

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the grifters and their low iq followers who claimed nvidia would be releasing gpus with almost zero vram are all quiet now

那些骗子和他们低智商的跟风狗，之前吹英伟达会出几乎零显存显卡的，现在全闭嘴了

WHERE ARE THE 50 SUPERS JENSEN

Is difference between 7800x3d and 9600x huge while playing only trash like HOI4, Stellaris and Terra Invicta?

只玩HOI4、Stellaris和Terra Invicta这种垃圾游戏的话，7800x3d和9600x差距很大吗？

>>109418542

difference is huge in every game if you look at 1% lows instead of just raw fps output

每款游戏差距都大，你要看1%最低帧而不是只看平均帧数

>>109418494

project more zoomer

别装了，你更像个Z世代小屁孩

>4k 27" dlss 4.5 performance

>4k 27寸 DLSS 4.5性能模式

brutally mogs your native 1080p and 1440p dlss quality experience

直接碾压你原生1080p和1440p DLSS质量模式的体验

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785505490192609.gif

>>109418559

Maybe for FPS games or moba crap but strategy games I only play choke from amount of bullshit spwans over time. Just dont want to buy cpu that I wont use up fully and is already few years old hell maybe I should just buy 7500f and wait for zen 6

可能对FPS或moba垃圾游戏有用，但策略游戏我只会被不断刷新的狗屁单位数量卡死。就是不想买个用不满还老了几代的CPU，搞不好我该直接买7500f然后等zen 6

>>109418630

wait because zen 6 10800x3d will actually be the true successor to the 5800x3d

等吧，因为zen 6 10800x3d才是5800x3d真正的继任者

7800x3d and to a lesser extent 9800x3d owners were beta testers for the am6 platform

7800x3d和稍微少点的9800x3d用户都是AM6平台的测试小白鼠

Asus has started to enshittify their oled care settings just like msi on newer monitors

华硕开始把他们的OLED保养设置搞烂了，跟微星新显示器一个德行

you can no longer disable pixel shift totally

你再也没法完全关闭像素偏移了

maybe soon you will be forced to auto run pixel refresh too, or maybe you already are forced to

搞不好很快你也被迫自动跑像素刷新，或者可能已经被迫了

looking at the firmware page of pg32ucdm3 they "improved" the pixel refresh shit

看PG32UCDM3的固件页面，他们“优化”了像素刷新那破玩意

soon I will no longer be able to recommend oled monitors at all only TVs because they have the non retarded firmware

很快我就没法推荐OLED显示器了，只能推电视，因为电视固件没这么智障

>>109418621

buying those esports resolutions is only defendablle if you run 500-600hz anyone else buying non 4k gotta be insane

买那些电竞分辨率只有你跑500-600Hz才说得过去，其他不买4k的人脑子肯定有问题

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785505737485664.png

>>109418652

My 4k 42" oled tv that I'm using as a monitor I barely notice it at all, weird how it's a major issue with the monitors.

我4k 42寸OLED电视当显示器用，几乎完全没注意到这问题，奇怪怎么在显示器上就成了大事。

>>109418621

I run 1080p DLSS for maximum frame rate. You cannot defeat my frame times.

我跑1080p DLSS追求最高帧率。你打败不了我的帧延迟。

>>109418621

I tried dlss in crimson desert and re9 and everything looked like smeared shit, particularly stuff like foliage and chainlink fences

我在《Crimson Desert》和《RE9》里试了DLSS，全像抹了屎一样糊，尤其树叶和铁丝网那种东西

Should I buy a PC now or wait for 60 series (or 50 supers) and nova lake/Zen6

我现在该买电脑还是等60系列（或50 Super）和Nova Lake/Zen 6？

>>109418783

works on my machine

在我机器上能跑

>>109418795

It's not getting any cheaper and even if the next line of hardware was around the corner (it's not) they're probably going to skimp out on the memory

价格不会变便宜，就算下一代硬件近在眼前（其实不是），他们八成也会在内存上抠门

>>109418083

fair sry, post length and all that and cau centi, imperial glor warzone 2100, homeworld, theme park, medieval lords etc etc

抱歉，帖子太长之类的，还有Cau Centi、Imperial Glory、Warzone 2100、Homeworld、Theme Park、Medieval Lords等等

>>109418465

Are you ex military or something? Actual navy seal from the sound of it.

你是退伍军人还是啥？听起来像真的海豹突击队。

>>109418454

here's soem obscure ones for you

给你点冷门的

panzer claws 2

钢铁猛爪2

nightshift

earth 2050

地球2050

lost souls (not that lost souls marks colisation 2150)

失落的灵魂（不是那个Lost Souls带标点的，我说的是Marks Colonial 2150相关那款）

world war 3

第三次世界大战

the moon project

月球计划

from 'best of games strategy' from topware interactive dvd release

来自Topware Interactive DVD版《最佳策略游戏》

>>109418910

oh and 'world war III frontline command' koch media, collecting the phsyical DVDs really found me some stuff you never hear about

哦还有《第三次世界大战：前线指挥》科赫媒体出的，收集实体DVD真让我找到一些你从没听说过的东西

forgot to mention cossacks and cossacks 2 as well. I dunno I have a shelf with maybe a hundred on it. RTS and strategy was peak PC gaming in my opinion, normieization killed it. Not that I mind first and third person stuff but PC gaming was never as fun again.

忘了提哥萨克和哥萨克2。我也不知道，我架子上大概有一百多张吧。在我看来RTS和策略类就是PC游戏的巅峰，主流化把它毁了。我不是说第一人称第三人称不好，但PC游戏再也没那么好玩了。

why is it so hard to pick a monitor I'm going insane aaaaaaaaa

为什么选个显示器这么难我要疯了啊啊啊啊啊

starting to to the realization that oled tvs mog oled monitors

开始意识到OLED电视比OLED显示器牛多了

why would you get an oled monitor with intrusive firmware over an oled tv that seems to be wayyy better for around the same price or cheaper since tvs come down a lot more during sales or right before the newer generation comes out every year

为什么你要买个带烦人固件的OLED显示器，而不买个OLED电视，价格差不多甚至更便宜，因为电视在促销或每年新型号出来前降价幅度大得多

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbcFjyXnrhw

>he thinks monitors are bad

>他觉得显示器不行

oh boy. Never make the mistake of letting your tv *touch* the internet.

天哪。千万别让你的电视联网，绝对别碰。

>>109418703

monitor makers misinterpreted the 16hour refresh recommendation from panel manufacturers (lg/samsung) as an absolute must and implemented a forced refresh because their engineers probably had a mistranslation from korean to chinese to english or something

显示器厂商误解了面板厂（LG/三星）建议的16小时刷新要求，把它当成硬性规定，强制刷新，因为工程师大概是韩文翻中文再翻英文翻错了什么的

imagine if they had this on laptops/tvs/phones? literally no one is this retarded

想象一下笔记本、电视或手机上也有这功能？绝对没人会这么蠢

I would rather use a SHIT lcd than a oled that behaves like that

我宁可用一个烂LCD也不用这种OLED

literally unusable

根本没法用

it's genuinely horrific

这真的恐怖极了

>>109418795

>super

you had this performance ages ago for cheaper or same cost for 2 years now

这种性能你两年前就有过了，更便宜或者同价

your only option is to double down cope and wait for a 6090

你唯一的办法就是硬撑，等6090

the only moral move to make that keeps your dignity intact

唯一能保住尊严的道德选择

>>109418951

Cheat sheet:

速查表：

pg32ucdm3 best monitor

pg32ucdm3 最佳显示器

pg32ucwm MAYBE be a competitor to ucdm3 no real reviews yet

pg32ucwm 可能能跟ucdm3竞争，但还没真实评测

s99h(eu) s95h(na) best tv 55-77" (s95h/s95f eu also viable)

s99h（欧版）s95h（美版）最佳电视55-77寸（s95h/s95f欧版也可用）

g6 second best tv 55-83"

g6 第二佳电视55-83寸

c6 48" third best tv

c6 48寸 第三佳电视

c6 42" bonus tier last best tv

c6 42寸 加码级最后佳电视

bonus tiers: C6H 77-83" (Tandems), S90D/F 55-77" (na qdoleds), S90F 65" (eu qdoled), S90H 77" (eu qdoled)

加码层级：C6H 77-83寸（串联面板）、S90D/F 55-77寸（美版QD-OLED）、S90F 65寸（欧版QD-OLED）、S90H 77寸（欧版QD-OLED）

probably avoid C5/G5 for pc use (dithering)

可能避免C5/G5用于PC（抖动问题）

>>109418992

>POV you have been listening to my schizoprehnic rants

>POV你一直在听我神经病式的吐槽

the only downside is you need the space and maybe more pc related bugs like having to reboot pc/tv due to signal fuck ups and what not

唯一的缺点是你得腾出空间，可能还有更多跟PC相关的毛病，比如信号出问题要重启电脑或电视之类的

also pretty much mandatory to use a 5000 series gpu or newer because of how the dsc jank works and what not and EDID bullshit if I remember right

另外基本必须用5000系或更新的显卡，因为DSC的兼容性有点烂，还有EDID那些破事，如果我没记错的话

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785510064069428.png

>>109418508

low vram gpus has always been an AMD thing

低显存显卡一直是AMD的毛病

Which monitor should I get?

我该买哪个显示器？

https://www.walmart.com/ip/TCL-25-G64-Series-FHD-HDR-QD-Mini-LED-Gaming-Monitor-300Hz-Refresh-Rate-LD180-Precise-Dimming-Series-HDR600-Brightness-1ms-AMD-FreeSync-25G64/18328164441?filters=%5B%7B%22intent%22%3A%22retailer%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Walmart%22%5D%7D%5D&classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1600&conditionCode=1&conditionCode=9&conditionGroupCode=1

https://www.walmart.com/ip/TCL-27-P2A-PRO-Series-QHD-HDR-Mini-LED-Gaming-Monitor-NEW-2026-Halo-Control-System-320Hz-Refresh-Rate-LD180-Precise-Dimming-Series-HDR600-Brightness/19606051641?filters=%5B%7B%22intent%22%3A%22retailer%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22Walmart%22%5D%7D%5D&classType=REGULAR&from=/search

or

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Nitro-31-5-inch-UHD-Gaming-Monitor-3480-x-2160-Widescreen-with-AMD-FreeSync-Premium-Technology-144Hz-XF320QK-P0bmiiphx/18379768548?conditionGroupCode=2&classType=REGULAR&from=/search

I'm sorry I didn't feel like using a link shorterner. I am leaning towards the 27 inch monitor or the 31.5 inch. but desu the 1080 monitor is not bad for the price

抱歉我不想用短链接。我倾向于27寸或31.5寸那款。但说实话，那个1080显示器这价格不算差

>>109419184

>TCL 27” P2A PRO

1440p miniled is best out of that shit bunch of monitors

1440p miniled是那一堆烂显示器里最好的

>>109418992

>48"

>even 42"

>连42寸都算 ﹂ 不了谢谢

No thank you

不用了，谢谢。

>>109419184

>Restored Acer

>翻新的Acer

Ignore that one. Get the 1440p if your PC can comfortably handle that resolution.

忽略那个。如果你的电脑能轻松跑1440p，那就买1440p的。

>>109418992

Let me know when they release a 37" model.

等他们出37英寸的型号了告诉我一声。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785510830066979.png

>>109419219

the 48" is a tandem woled panel gives you a giant brightness and color boost

48英寸是双层WOLED面板，亮度和色彩提升巨大。

42" not much has happened

42英寸变化不大。

but processing updates not as much dithering and 165hz tho

但处理更新了，抖动少了，不过还是165Hz。

>>109419227

42" isnt much larger than 32" really

42英寸其实比32英寸大不到哪去。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785511163265119.png

>>109419270

Look at the difference in width and height.

你看看宽度和高度的差别。

If you need to tilt your head up/down, the screen's too large.

如果抬头低头才能看全屏幕，那屏幕就是太大了。

I would get an LG tv as a monitor but how do I know whether or not it will spy on me or install shadow malware on my pc

我想拿LG电视当显示器，但怎么知道它会不会监视我，或者往我电脑里装影子恶意软件？

I wouldnt buy lg tv as a monitor since Its too big, has worse refresh rates, worse ppi, I know it spies on me and the usage experience is worse with garbage smart tv OS vs a dumb monitor which gets bright enough anyway.

我是不会拿LG电视当显示器的，因为它太大了，刷新率更差，PPI也更低，我知道它会监视我，而且垃圾智能电视系统体验更烂，比不上啥都没有的普通显示器，亮度也够亮。

>>109419379

never connect it to the internet

千万别联网。

i've never connected my oled tv I use as a monitor to the internet and it's been great

我拿来当显示器的OLED电视从来没连过网，一直挺好用的。

>>109419379

>buy a smart tv

>买了台智能电视

>connect it to wifi/ethernet

>连上WiFi或网线

>surprised pikachu face that it does botnet things

>然后一脸惊讶发现它在干僵尸网络的勾当

>>109419379

never, EVER give it an internet connection. No matter how much it begs.

永远、绝对别给它联网，不管它怎么求。

I can't go back to regular monitors at this point. I've tried it and just can't. Doesn't matter how high of a refresh rate they have. Playing games on a big screen > all else as far as immersion goes. 120hz is more than enough.

我现在回不去普通显示器了，试过，就是不行。不管刷新率多高都没用。在大屏幕上玩游戏，沉浸感远超其他一切。120Hz完全够用。

>>109419379

lg tvs allow you to firmware update through usb so theres no reason to ever connect online

LG电视支持用U盘更新固件，所以根本没必要联网。

>>109419405

doesn't LG do it during production to install the latest firmware before shipping it?

LG不是出厂前在生产时就装好最新固件了吗？

>>109419430

if the tv doesnt have a usb port then avoid it like the plague

如果电视没有USB接口，那就千万别碰。

I have the perfect setup where my second screen is the TV. Most of the time I'm on the main monitor which is 32" 4k 144Hz IPS and the TV is 42" 4k 120Hz OLED which is further away. The HDMI is actually connected to the AV AMP and full 5.1.2 sound.

我的完美方案是第二块屏幕就是电视。大部分时间我用主显示器，32英寸4K 144Hz IPS，电视是42英寸4K 120Hz OLED，放得更远。HDMI接到功放上，带完整5.1.2环绕声。

Most of the time the TV is just used for TV but when I'm exercising and watching music videos or playing a some games I flip over to the TV.

大多数时候电视就是当电视用，但锻炼时看MV或者玩某些游戏时，我就切到电视上。

Best of both worlds. No babying an OLED monitor for static stuff and enjoying the beauty of one when it's appropriate.

两全其美。不用拿OLED显示器小心翼翼的扛静态画面，需要的时候又能享受它的美。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785513371472763.jpg

>>109418992

lg monitors

LG显示器。

this is why the price dropped

这就是价格跌的原因。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9uefFYe6bM

we NEED a monitor jerk each other off general

我们真的需要个显示器互相安慰版聊帖。

>>109419535

nothing else to talk about since amd and nvidia took a gap year and chose not to release anything

反正AMD和英伟达都歇了一年没出东西，没别的可聊了。

>>109419526

What retard didnt know that smart TV's are privacy nightmare? I cant imagine this impacts anyones view of tvs, lg or anything.

哪个傻逼不知道智能电视是隐私噩梦？我不觉得这会改变任何人看电视、看LG的看法。

Installing mcafee is wholly irrelevant, since its something you actually control. You dont control the spying which has been going on for decades.

装McAfee完全不相干，因为那玩意儿是你能控制的东西。你控制不了监视，这种事都持续几十年了。

>>109419565

Watch the video, it's way worse than what you're making it out to be

看视频吧，比你说的严重多了。

It also affects their monitors, and on older 3-4 year old models too since windows suddenly started automatically installing OEM drivers based on connected hardware IDs

这也会影响他们的显示器，包括三四年前的老型号，因为Windows突然开始根据连接的硬件ID自动安装OEM驱动。

>>109419601

watching drama nexus? Eh

在看Drama Nexus？呃。

>blazing fast 0.03ms oled display

>超快0.03ms OLED面板

>ruin it with x.xxms dsc delay

>结果被几毫秒的DSC延迟毁了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785514808999432.jpg

switch 2 likely never gonna get hacked lol. it'd be fucking hilarious if it doesn't. like yes it would only be a good thing if it did get hacked. but i love it when shit doesn't go redditors way.

Switch 2大概永远不会被破解，哈哈。要是真没被破解那可就太好笑了。是的，要是破解了当然只有好处。但我就是爱看事情不顺某些红迪网友的意。

>>109419535

Monitors are the only PC tech industry in a good state right now.

显示器是目前PC科技行业里唯一状态不错的领域。

Best way to realize the difference between brightness of modern oled monitor and tv is to have them side by side. Had that and I can tell it is sad for monitors. Matters only for hdr, for other stuff monitors will do ok.

最能直观感受到现代OLED显示器和电视亮度差异的方法，就是把它们并排放一起。我试过，可以告诉你显示器这边真的很惨。只有HDR时才有影响，其他情况下显示器表现还行。

I built my PC like a year and a half ago. A few months ago, my computer turned off and wouldn't turn back on. After some troubleshooting I swapped the PSU for an identical new PSU, and it worked. Now I just got home and it's off and won't turn back on. I'm assuming if I change the PSU it will work, but I'm still scared. I don't think the PSU is underpowered or anything... I remember it being a pretty good one and it was fine for the PC I had. I have a 4080 super, 7800x3d, and like 32gb of ram. I don't recall the motherboard, it's some tomahawk but I know it's equal to the rest of the parts. The psu is a Corsair RM1000x atx3.1. it should definitely be good for my PC. I did the thing where you unplug, hold the button for 30 secs and try again. I heard a super tiny click sound from my PSU. Any ideas? I can run to best buy maybe to get another one today but this is now a recurring thing. Something has to be wrong.

我大概一年半前配了台电脑。几个月前，电脑突然关机然后开不了机。排查了一下之后，我把电源换成了同款全新的，就好了。然后我刚回家发现又关机了，开不了。我猜换个电源就能好，但还是有点慌。我觉得电源功率应该不是不够……我记得这款挺不错的，带我这台电脑完全没问题。我有4080 super、7800x3d，还有大概32GB内存。主板型号我不记得了，是什么Tomahawk，但我知道跟其他配件档次匹配。电源是Corsair RM1000x ATX 3.1。带我这电脑绝对绰绰有余。我试了拔电、按住开机键30秒再试的办法。我听到电源里传来极小的咔嗒声。有什么想法吗？今天或许可以跑到百思买再买一个，但这是第二次了。肯定有哪里出了问题。

>>109419952

Probably something shorting the motherboard like a screw or the back panel

可能是有什么东西导致主板短路，比如螺丝或者后面板。

>>109419882

oled monitors this year are like peak 1300 nits, that is more than enough.

今年OLED显示器峰值亮度大概能到1300尼特，完全够了。

>>109419982

It's possible. But at this point is the PSU just completely gone? I know there are like weird tests with a paper clip or something iirc? I did it with my last PSU and remember nothing worked. Like the whole PSU is just shorted out right? Best buy seems to have the same one I have so I guess I'll drop 200 dollars on it right now.

有可能。但到了这一步，电源是不是就彻底废了？我记得好像可以用回形针之类做怪异测试来着？我之前那个电源试过，什么都救不回来。就整个电源直接短路了对吧？百思买好像有卖我同款，看来我现在就得出200美元买一个了。

>>109415840

>*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p

>*8GB就算在1080p下也已经成了大瓶颈

No it hasn’t. Why are you people retarded? You can do 1080p with an igpu

并没有。怎么你们这些人脑子有问题？核显都能跑1080p。

>>109420035

Yeah, sure, and you can do 4k on an igpu too. Too bad people talking about what you can and cant' do with a certain card aren't talking about using web browsers and shitposting on 4chan, or playing indie pixelshit and 30 year old games, retard.

是啊，当然，核显也能跑4K。可惜人们在讨论某张显卡能干什么不能干什么时，说的可不是开浏览器、在4chan上发废帖，也不是玩像素垃圾独立游戏或30年前的老游戏，白痴。

>>109419991

theres some weird meme where they up the 1 to 10% max brightness and the 50% max brightness remains the same or slightly better than it was 5y ago

有个奇怪的梗，他们把1%到10%峰值亮度拉高，但50%最大亮度却跟五年前一样甚至只稍微好一点。

Just finished jury rigging an Arctic P12 fan inside a Seasonic Focus GX-750 PSU.

刚把一把Arctic P12风扇硬塞进了Seasonic Focus GX-750电源里。

>right after warranty ended the fan got loud as fuck with an annoying rubbing sound inside the bearing

>保修期一过，风扇就变得吵得要命，轴承里还有烦人的摩擦声

>it's a proprietary 135mm fan to top it off

>更糟的是它还是特规135mm风扇

>fuck it, look the part number and order 2 of them just to be safe

>算了，查零件号直接买了两把备用

>one year later the first replacement started doing the exact same thing, swap in replacement fan no. 2

>一年后第一把替换的居然同样出问题，换上第二把

>a few months later that one starts doing the exact same fucking thing

>几个月后这把也开始犯一模一样的毛病

>go nuclear and pic related. Fan is now motherboard controlled and works great

>上核弹，图相关。风扇现在由主板控制，工作得很好

When has Seasonic quality gone down a cliff this badly? This PSU is already replacing another Seasonic PSU that blew up on me a few years ago.

海韵的质量什么时候滑坡成这样了？这个电源已经在替换几年前炸掉的那个海韵电源了。

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>>109420015

You won't know unless you test. Take the Mobo out of the case and try again without the power button

不测试你没法知道。把主板从机箱里拿出来，不用电源键再试一次。

Is it possible to wrangle down the tdp of an old i9-10900x to keep its heat and power consumption under control while maintaining most of the performance? I'm talking like ~100w tdp while maintaining 80%+ stock performance (stock is 165w and benchmarks like a ryzen 5600x). Any better suggestions that have lots of pci lanes and also under about $300 used not including ram?

有可能把老i9-10900x的TDP压下来，在保持大部分性能的同时控制热和功耗吗？我指的是大概100w的TDP，同时维持80%以上的默认性能（默认是165w，跑分跟锐龙5600x差不多）。有没有更好的建议，要有很多PCIe通道，二手价在300美元以下不含内存？

>>109419991

It is marketing number that is for 1% white screen. For comparison new oled tvs have 2500 nit peak for 10%. Difference is that big, go to electronics shop and see for yourself.

那是个营销数字，针对1%白屏的。对比下，新的OLED电视峰值是2500尼特，10%窗口。差距就这么大，去电器店亲眼看看。

>>109420109

You obviously need to update to a modern cpu with better perf.

你显然得升级到现代CPU，性能更好。

Either wait next intel platform or am5 with upcoming zen 6 cpu.

要么等下一代的Intel平台，要么上AM5配即将出的Zen 6 CPU。

Since you waited too long it'll cost way more to upgrade.

因为你等太久了，升级成本会高得多。

>>109420123

and those tvs cost upwards of 5x as much

而且那些电视贵得多，贵5倍以上

I got a rtx 3060 12gb and have been playing around with llm models and i want to play around with bigger models. I can buy one more 3060 12gb for around 200 bucks. is it a fine plan if im strapped for cash?

我有个RTX 3060 12GB，一直在玩LLM模型，想试试更大的模型。我能花大约200美金再买一块3060 12GB。如果手头紧的话，这计划靠谱吗？

>>109420059

>caring about PSU cooling

>在意电源散热

>not just running the PSU until it cooks itself to death and then just replacing the PSU

>不直接让电源烧到死然后换个新的

c'mon now

拜托了

>>109420109

severely hard cap your clock speed to something super low. Hardcap your voltage to something low as well. Then slowly keep raising the speed and stress testing until you BSOD. That or you can set a CPU usage percent upper limit in your Windows power plan.

把时钟频率死死压到一个超级低的值。电压也硬锁到低值。然后慢慢提频和压力测试，直到蓝屏。或者你也可以在Windows电源计划里设个CPU占用百分比上限。

Personally I have an i9-9900k with hyperthreading disabled (so it's only 8 physical cores), limited to 5.0GHz all core on boost. Turning off hyperthreading actually saves quite a bit of power as well. Also makes it so the physical cores and hyper threaded cores aren't fighting for cache.

我自己有个i9-9900k，关掉了超线程（所以只有8个物理核心），全核Boost限制在5.0GHz。关超线程确实省不少电。也避免了物理核和超线程核抢缓存。

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>>109420154

Yes, just make sure your PSU can support it and run layer splitting, You may have to fuck around a little bit with llama-ccp to make it work properly as some wrappers have trouble running multi-gpus properly

可以，只要确保你的电源撑得住，并且用层拆分。你可能得折腾一下llama-ccp才能让它正常工作，因为有些包装器在处理多GPU时有毛病。

>>109419952

sometimes* i need to turn the actual switch on the psu off until i hear the relay reset before i can turn it back on with the power button.

有时* 我得先把电源后面的开关关掉，等听到继电器复位，然后再用电源键开机。

>>109420151

more like 2x-3x, not saying people should buy tvs as monitors, just that state of hdr on oled monitors is sad compared to tvs

更像是2-3倍，不是说大家该拿电视当显示器，只是说OLED显示器上的HDR状态跟电视比太惨了。

>>109418542

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>>109420220

wake me up when samsung starts making glossy qd-oleds again and I would consider buying a high end tv

等三星重新开始做镜面QD-OLED时叫醒我，那时我才会考虑买高端电视。

I just got a mini-pc with a Ryzen 7 255 (basically an unofficial chink cutdown version of the 260). Anyway, I got to stressing it a bit and I noticed that the core voltage sometimes jumps up to almost 1.4V, isn't that stupidly high for a Zen 4 mobile chip? Hell, my desktop 5700X3D never goes above 1.2V.

我刚搞了个迷你PC，带锐龙7 255（基本上是非官方阉割版的260）。总之，我稍微压了一下，注意到核心电压有时会跳到接近1.4V，这用在Zen 4移动芯片上不是太蠢了吗？靠，我的桌面5700X3D从来不上1.2V。

>>109418652

Pixel shift is such a retarded solution, as well. It basically adds gaussian blur to the burn in that will still happen, lmao.

像素偏移也是个很蠢的解决方案，基本上就是给烧屏加一层高斯模糊，该烧还是烧，笑死。

I have an i7-6950X and 64GB of DDR4-2400MHz. It's 4x 16GB DIMMs. My CPU is of course long since long in the tooth and not worth the power. It has been for a while but most recently, my GPU shit the bed and since I'm upgrading anyways, was looking at CPUs. Since I already have DDR4, I was sniffing around and would it be safe to say the 5800X3D 10A edition on AM4 is the best CPU using DDR4? I'd most likely be pairing it with a 9070XT because I'd like this PC to last as long as my old/current one did.

我有一块i7-6950X和64GB DDR4-2400MHz内存，是4条16GB的。CPU当然早就老掉牙了，不值得再耗电了。已经这样有一阵子了，但最近显卡挂了，反正也要升级，就开始看CPU了。既然已经有DDR4，我就到处看了看，这么说稳妥吗——AM4上的5800X3D 10A版是用DDR4最好的CPU？我大概率会搭配9070XT，因为我希望这台电脑能像我旧/现在的这台一样撑那么久。

all my games seem to be working just fine on linux even though im on a 50 series gpu

我所有游戏在Linux上好像都跑得挺好，虽然我用的还是50系显卡。

goodbye windows

再见Windows。

>>109420240

voltage isn't like wattage. All CPUs, mobile or otherwise, usually burst high like that.

电压跟功率不一样，所有CPU，不管是移动端还是别的，一般都会这样突然冲高。

>>109420261

What are "your games", though? I've been on Linux for about 3 years but there's still the occasional title that I boot into Windows to play (for performance reasons, I don't touch anticheat spyware crap).

不过你说的“你的游戏”具体是啥？我Linux用了大概三年了，但还是偶尔有几个游戏我会切回Windows玩（为了性能原因，反作弊那种垃圾间谍软件我不碰）。

>>109419369

42" is at the edge of what you will be able to use at a desk distance without head tilting

42寸在桌距下已经是你能用的极限了，再大就得歪脑袋。

if you go above this things become more questionable and need more space

超过这个尺寸就比较悬了，需要更多空间。

>the screen's too large.

>屏幕太大了。

the size to screen is too small more

屏幕尺寸配画面太小了，更贴切。

>>109419387

>Its too big

>太大了。

4 u

>has worse refresh rates

>刷新率还更差。

4k oleds with 165hz which is refresh rate parity exist

165Hz的4K OLED是有的，刷新率能对齐。

>worse ppi

>PPI更差。

ppi parity with 1440p oleds, new rgwb layout is better, dithering improved

PPI和1440p OLED对齐，新的RGBW布局更好，抖动处理也改善了。

>the usage experience is worse with garbage smart tv OS vs a dumb monitor

>使用体验更差，垃圾智能电视系统对比没智能的显示器。

a controller is a better OSD controller than display buttons, colorcontrol/lg companion exist that automate start/shut down if you have autism and dont wana use a controller, built in speakers are better

遥控器当OSD控制器比显示器按钮好用多了，还有colorcontrol/LG companion这类工具能自动化开关机，如果你有强迫症不想用遥控器也行，自带扬声器也更好。

literally is a display

说真的它就是块显示器。

>which gets bright enough anyway.

>反正亮度也够。

non existent hdr in comparison

对比之下HDR基本等于不存在。

(4 u) again

（又来一遍4U）

>I wouldnt buy lg tv as a monitor

>我不会买LG电视当显示器。

indeed buy a samsung qdoled instead

那确实，买三星QD-OLED吧。

>>109419421

way higher brightness

亮度高多了。

>>109419526

>this is why the price dropped

>这就是为什么价格跌了。

holy steve cope thinking hes relevant

卧槽Steve还在那硬撑觉得自己有存在感。

go to bed steve

洗洗睡吧Steve。

>>109419717

>x.xxms dsc delay

>x.xxms DSC延迟。

go to bed dsc schizo

洗洗睡吧，DSC魔怔人。

>>109419882

I've posted pictures constantly

我一直在发图片。

>Matters only for hdr

>只对HDR有影响。

in hdr is way higher but top end tvs in sdr are pushing 500 nits full screen compared to monitors hitting 300 nits now

HDR下亮度高得多，但顶级电视在SDR下全屏能到500尼特，而显示器现在也就300尼特。

cmon bruh

别闹了兄弟。

>>109419991

>400 nits peak highlights in real scene

>真实场景下峰值高光400尼特。

monitors cant even beat the LG C 42" series still its twice as bright as any oled in hdr still due to aggressive power management

显示器还是没法打败LG C 42寸系列，因为激进功耗管理，它在HDR下依然比任何OLED亮两倍。

>>109420151

a s90d 65" on sale is cheaper than a 32" pg32ucdm3

一台打折的S90D 65寸比32寸的PG32UCDM3还便宜。

a 55" LG G5 on sale is cheaper than a 32" pg32ucdm3

一台打折的55寸LG G5比32寸的PG32UCDM3还便宜。

65" is 4x as much effective screen realestate

65寸有效屏幕面积是4倍。

meaning the monitor is 4x as expensive

也就是说那显示器贵了4倍。

in fact it was indeed in reverse as expensive as you said

事实上就像你说的，是正好反过来的贵法。

>>109420220

tvs are cheaper than monitors by alot

电视比显示器便宜太多了。

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>>109420246

it's a pointless feature plus on lg oleds maybe due to tv or firmware version it added blur to the actual image so disabling it added clarity

这功能没啥用，而且在LG OLED上可能因为电视或固件版本的问题，反而会让画面变模糊，所以关掉它画质更清晰

not sure if tvs have overprovisioning of pixels or not currentlly havent checked

不确定电视有没有像素冗余，目前还没查过

if they dont u need to disable to not have a cut off image

如果没有的话，你得关掉它，不然画面会被裁切

>>109419991

here's the current state of monitors (reply 2 btw)

这是目前显示器的状态（顺便一提，这是第二条回复）

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>>109420192

Got a 750 watt psu so i should be fine. Just wanted to make sure that i did not miss something obvious. So thanks

我有个750瓦电源，应该没问题，就是确认下没漏掉什么明显的东西，谢了

>>109420259

It's technically the i9-14900K but for gaming it's definitely the 5800x3d

严格来说那是i9-14900K，但论游戏性能绝对是5800x3d

>>109420282

NTA but my friend swapped to Bazzite exclusively a while back. he plays new AAA titles and we play World of Warcraft together. He used to have a Windows partition but has long since gotten rid of it entirely.

不关我事，但我朋友之前就彻底换成Bazzite了，他玩新3A大作，我们还一起玩魔兽世界，以前他有Windows分区，但早就全删了

>>109420307

I read that the 13th and 14th gen CPUs had some sort of microcode issues and are basically ticking time bombs

我读到13代和14代CPU有微码问题，基本就是定时炸弹

>>109420328

If you don't want to mess with bios and shieet choose the 5800x3d

如果你不想折腾BIOS那些破玩意儿，就选5800x3d

>>109420133

I already have a modern system, this is a want not a need, I just want something decently performant and cheap with lots of lanes that isn't also a space heater. Xeon might be a better choice, but even more of a space heater.

我已经有现代平台了，这是想要不是必需，我就是想整点性能还行、便宜、通道多、又不像暖气片的东西，Xeon可能更好，但更暖

>>109420169

What kind of draw are you seeing at the wall with that setup?

你那套配置在墙插上看功耗多少？

>>109420328

Yes they are, but they do be fast doe

对，确实有这些问题，但跑起来是真快啊

>>109418135

6090 is going to be between 3k-4k

6090估计得3000到4000美元

the market is panic buying and doesn't realize we're in a bubble

市场在恐慌性抢购，没人意识到我们在泡沫里

>>109420059

I had to RMA my Prime GX a few months ago because the faulty fan control circuit was causing erratic fan RPMs.

我几个月前被迫RMA了我的Prime GX，因为风扇控制电路故障导致转速忽高忽低

That one was manufactured in 2022, there were parts & labor shortages caused by COVID lockdowns. Product testing phases were also rushed during this time.

那个是2022年生产的，当时因为疫情封锁零件和人工短缺，产品测试阶段也被赶工了

>>109420367

>6090 is going to be between 3k-4k

>6090估计得3000到4000

how can a 6090 be 3-4k when a 5090 right now is 6k

现在5090都卖6000了，6090怎么可能才3000到4000？

Why does everyone seem to focus on the "when le bubble pops prices go down" part of the bubble popping but nobody seems to focus on the actual economic fallout that will ensue after the popping?

为什么大家都在关注“泡沫破了价格会跌”这点，却没人关注泡沫破掉后实际的经济崩盘？

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>>109420386

its years out at this point. we would hope things settle down at least a little by then.

那都还得好几年呢，希望到时候市场至少能平静点吧

>>109420391

some men just want to see the world burn

有些人就是唯恐天下不乱

nothing to lose baby

没啥可输的，宝贝

>>109420395

one year tops

最多撑一年

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>>109420338

>What kind of draw are you seeing at the wall with that setup?

>你那套配置在墙插上看功耗多少？

My PC idle power consumption is kind of all over the place but with 2x 144HZ monitors, CPU, RTX 3080 GPU, 3 SSDs (1 NVME, 2 SATA) and 8 high capacity HDDs (SATA), I idle around 150w. I have the disks set to go to sleep after 2 min of inactivity to save more.

我电脑待机功耗不太稳定，但配俩144Hz显示器、CPU、RTX 3080显卡、3块SSD（1个NVME、2个SATA）加8块大容量SATA机械硬盘，待机大概150瓦，我还设了硬盘闲置2分钟就休眠省电

>>109420391

I couldn't care less. Let it all come tumbling down

我才不在乎呢，让它全塌下来吧

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>>109420109

Undervolt + power limit the CPU.

给CPU降压加功耗限制

Downclock the maximum turbo boost by -100 or -200 MHz. These last few hundred MHz are the more power inefficient V/F points.

把最大睿频降个100到200MHz，最后那几百兆赫兹是最耗电的电压频率点

Do all three, you'd probably retain more than 85% of stock performance with a 100W power limit.

三项全做，功耗限制在100瓦的话，你大概还能保留超过85%的默认性能

>>109420386

4090s were also going for 4k before the 5090 dropped at 2-3k since Nvidia ended production of 4090s really early and caused a massive supply issue for 6 months before it got replaced

4090在5090发布之前也卖到过4000美元，因为英伟达很早就停了4090的生产，导致换代会之前有6个月的严重供货问题。

>>109420288

New 48s are 1400, 32in 4k monitors go for 800. Also brightness numbers I posted are for g6 which is more expensive. They are at not on par at refresh rates, 240 is more and 360hz 32in panel will be out soon. I dont have use case for 500nit sdr for a pc, if its 300 nits without brightness limiting it is ok by me but I have blinds and dont take my monitor outside. And saying that 4k tv has more space than 4k monitor is nonsense. There are 8m pixels, difference is only how far you are viewing them from. Btw i tried to use tv as a monitor, but despite using mount, having big desk and checking whole math about ppd, fov etc., I couldnt find the position that was comfortable for me. If you like it, good for you.

新的48寸要1400，32寸4K显示器大概800。另外我发的亮度数据是G6的，那个更贵。刷新率上他们确实没法比，240是更高的，而且360Hz的32寸面板也快出了。500尼特SDR对我来说没什么用，如果300尼特不限亮度我觉得还行，但我有百叶窗，也不会把显示器拿出去。说4K电视比4K显示器“空间更大”纯属扯淡。都是800万像素，区别只是你离多远的距离看。顺便说，我也试过把电视当显示器用，但尽管用了支架、有大桌子，还把PPD、视场角那些算了一遍，我就是找不到舒服的位置。你要喜欢，那也挺好。

>>109420282

I mostly play jrpg slop and indie stuff like rimworld or stardew. The only online thing I play is ffxiv but that works just fine as well. I'm sure if I played more competitive online stuff it would be a different story, but since I primarily play single player stuff I haven't run into any issues.

我主要玩JRPG垃圾和独立游戏，比如《环世界》或《星露谷物语》。我唯一玩的在线游戏就是FF14，那个运行也完全没问题。我敢说如果玩的竞技在线游戏多点，情况就不一样了，但因为我主要玩单机，所以没遇到什么麻烦。

i dont even care about buying shit anymore i really dont. i have all of this nice shit pulled up ready to order it and ive realized everything i have already suffices.

我其实已经不在乎买不买东西了，真的。我手里这些好东西摆着等着下单付款，但我发现自己现有的东西已经完全够用了。

just gonna wait for technology to evolve as a whole. hopefully sam altman is right and we actually are in the singularity. i think we are, but not in the way people imagine.

我就等着技术整个进化吧。希望山姆·奥特曼是对的，我们真的在奇点里。我觉得我们在，但不是人们想象的那种方式。

Honestly, I gotta build my credit anyway. I think I'll finance a 5090. Or a prebuilt with one in it as well as some RAM. I'll just switch stuff out of my current PC and have two at the end of it.

说实话，我反正也得养信用。我觉得我会分期买个5090，或者干脆买台带5090的整机配点内存。到时候把我现在PC里的东西换出来，最后能有两台机器。

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time traveler here, the msrp in the us of the rtx 6090 will be 3.999$ it will appear as a steal compared to the 5090

穿越者在此，RTX 6090的美国MSRP将是3999美元，跟5090比会显得跟捡漏似的。

with 25% VAT Eu taxxed in the EU the final price will be 4.999$ in comparison

算上欧盟25%的增值税，那边最终价格就会到4999美元。

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I am picking up a used cyberpc

我准备收台二手CyberPC。

i9-10900k

3090gpu

32gb ddr4 ram

32GB DDR4内存。

liquid cooled

水冷。

1tb ssd

1TB固态。

z590 mobo

Z590主板。

unsure of PSU

电源不确定。

for $1500. Looks clean

1500美元，看着挺干净的。

mostly getting it for the GPU, everything else is just a slight upgrade from what I have now.

主要是为了那张显卡，其他东西对我来说都只是小幅升级。

>>109420478

prebuilts with 5090 currently the 5090 stands for 85% of the build

现在带5090的整机，5090本身就占了整机价格的85%。

you might aswell get the rest of the pc for 1k extra, which btw the 64gb of ram in it is just 1000-1300$ alone before cpu,case,ssd,psu,cooler,fans

你还不如多花1000块把剩下的PC配置补齐，顺便说，里面那64GB内存光自己就要1000-1300美元，还没算CPU、机箱、固态、电源、散热和风扇。

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QVKs8Z

rate. RAM being only 2400MHz hopefully won't drag my CPU down too much performance wise. RAM and SSDs are all being pulled from old PC. SSDs are all reporting they're >90% lifespan/health so I'm just going to keep using them even if they're older SATA SSDs or older PCIe standards.

评价一下。内存只有2400MHz，希望别拖CPU性能拖太多。内存和固态都是旧电脑里拆下来的。固态测出来寿命/健康度都还在90%以上，所以我就打算继续用，哪怕是老SATA固态或者旧PCIe标准的。

>>109420517

You should've bought a used 3090 Ti if you didn't need the rest of the PC.

你要是不需要PC其他部分的话，当时应该买张二手3090 Ti。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785520474388096.png

>>109420561

I haven't purchased it yet, which is why I'm posting, thanks for the info. It does sound like a good deal though, no?

我还没买呢，所以才发帖问，谢谢你的信息。听起来确实是个好价，对吧？

>>109420561

I have an EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080. Should I be worried?

我有一块EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080，我该担心吗？

>>109420420

Not bad for an entire setup. I'd wager the drives alone are at least 30% of the the draw by themselves before they spin down.

整个配置来说不算差。我敢打赌，光硬盘在停转前就能占到至少30%的功耗。

>>109420430

Sounds reasonable.

听起来挺合理的。

>>109420458

on sale the 48" c6 will prolly dip to 1000

打折时48寸的C6大概会降到1000块。

>32in 4k monitors go for 800.

>32寸以上的4K显示器都要800。

and a 42" c5 was 700 and it's even brighter

而且42寸的C5当时才700，还更亮。

>Also brightness numbers I posted are for g6 which is more expensive.

>还有我发的亮度数据是针对G6的，那个更贵。

where

>They are at not on par at refresh rates, 240 is more and 360hz 32in panel will be out soon.

>刷新率上它们也不在一个档次，240是更高的，而且360Hz的32寸面板很快也要出了。

i kno

我知道。

>And saying that 4k tv has more space than 4k monitor is nonsense

>还有说4K电视比4K显示器空间大根本是扯淡。

never said such a thing

我从没说过这话。

>Btw i tried to use tv as a monitor, but despite using mount, having big desk and checking whole math about ppd, fov etc., I couldnt find the position that was comfortable for me.

>顺便说下，我试过拿电视当显示器，但就算用了支架、有大桌子，还算过PPD、FOV之类的，我还是找不到舒服的位置。 ⿴ 我几乎可以打包票，任何高于视平线的东西都会很烦人（电视太高那种破事），最后大型电视基本得贴地放才舒服。

I almost can guarantee that anything above eye level will be annoying (tv too high type shit) kinda which ultimately leaves large screen tvs to borderline floor standing to be the comfy spot

我几乎可以保证，任何高于视线水平的东西都会让人厌烦（电视挂太高那种破事），这样一来，最终大屏幕电视就得差不多放到地板上的位置，才是舒服的点。

too high screens are kinda ass already knew that

屏幕太高本来就挺拉胯的，这我早知道。

idk prolly still think tvs are more fun idk

不知道，可能还是觉得电视比较有意思吧，也说不好。

>>109420391

Nobody cares about aislop companies and their enablers going broke.

没人关心那些AI公司和他们那些帮凶破产不破产。

the ddr5 nightmare will soon be a memory past

DDR5那场噩梦很快就会成为过去式了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785521092310084.png

>>109420553

I'd pay $20~60 more for the XFX Quicksilver or Mercury OC models if case clearance isn't an issue.

如果机箱空间不是问题的话，我宁愿多花$20到$60去买XFX Quicksilver或者Mercury OC版。

Pure Power 13 M 750W is the better PSU @ a similar price, but some people say the cables are a bit short and stiff.

Pure Power 13 M 750W在同价位是更好的电源，但有些人说线材有点短而且偏硬。

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

Be prepared to set up custom fan curves for those P12 Pro fans, their noise is fine at around 1000 RPM or under.

准备好给那些P12 Pro风扇自己调个风扇曲线吧，它们在1000转左右或者更低时噪音还行。

>>109420672

>all DIMM fabs roll to DDR6 production

>所有DIMM厂都转向DDR6生产

>existing DDR5 is snatched up at a slight 5% discount from their usual crazy price by people with DDR5 systems

>现有的DDR5被用DDR5系统的人以比平时疯价便宜5%的折扣抢走

>nothing changes

>什么都没变

The AI data centers and shit companies need to not just crash, but fucking crater into a flaming mess for companies to learn their lesson. All DRAM manufacturers also need to be fined heavily for colluding.

AI数据中心和那些破公司不光得崩，还得烧成一团火球，这些公司才能长教训。所有DRAM厂商也得因为串通被狠狠罚款。

>>109420682

The quicksilver is only $20 more but it's 25mm longer. I'll consider the power supply. The case is small so cables being short/stiff ain't a big deal. The fans I'd control with FanControl software if needed. Just want air flow.

Quicksilver只贵$20，但长了25mm。电源我会考虑一下。机箱小，所以线材短和硬不算大问题。风扇如果需要的话可以用FanControl软件控制。主要就是想要风量。

>>109420599

You should keep the card undervolted and running at under 900mV.

你应该让显卡降压跑，电压保持在900mV以下。

You want to dampen the intensity of the transient which degrade the DrMOS.

你得抑制一下那些会劣化DrMOS的瞬间功耗尖峰。

OCing is fine with an undervolt. I used to daily a 3080 12GB boosting around 1800 MHz @ 850mV.

降压跑超频完全没问题。我之前每天用一块3080 12GB，在850mV下boost到1800MHz左右。

1900 MHz boost could be stable @ 900mV given thermal & power limits aren't triggered.

1900MHz的boost在900mV下应该能稳定，只要温度和功耗限制不触发。

>>109420706

>Heavily fined

>被狠狠罚款

Fine them 50% of their revenue (not profits, all revenue) since 2020 and jail everyone higher than a bottom level manager, anything less is yet another slap on the wrist as usual.

罚他们从2020年起的营收的50%（是全部营收，不是利润），然后把比底层经理高一级以上的所有人都抓起来，不然又是跟平时一样轻轻打一下手。

When will it get better bros? I just wanted to game/goon...

兄弟们，什么时候能好起来啊？我就是想打打游戏/爽一下...

i dont even care about buying shit anymore i really dont. i have all of this nice shit pulled up ready to order it and ive realized everything i have already suffices.

我其实已经不在乎买不买东西了，真的。我手里这些好东西摆着等着下单付款，但我发现自己现有的东西已经完全够用了。

just gonna wait for technology to evolve as a whole. hopefully sam altman is right and we actually are in the singularity. i think we are, but not in the way people imagine.

我就等着技术整个进化吧。希望山姆·奥特曼是对的，我们真的在奇点里。我觉得我们在，但不是人们想象的那种方式。

>be me

>used to low nit around 100 to 200

>以前也就100到200尼特左右

>try TCL 27R83U HDR miniLED VA

>试试TCL 27R83U HDR miniLED VA

>everything just becomes ultra bright

>一切都会变得超级亮

>things outside of my center of vision fade to gray

>我视野中心之外的东西会褪成灰色

>try HDR on pulsar IPS monitor

>在脉冲星IPS显示器上试试HDR

>everything just becomes ultra bright

>一切都会变得超级亮

>try it on a tandem WOLED with HDR 500 TrueBlack

>在串联WOLED配上HDR 500 TrueBlack上试试

>things become brighter but not on eye melting level

>东西变亮了，但没到烧眼那种程度

maybe the game I tried it with doesn't have a proper implementation but I don't see the point

可能我试的那个游戏优化不行，但我真看不出有啥意义

>GPU temperature reaches 60 degrees

>GPU温度到60度了

Oh that's actually excel-

哦那其实挺不错——

>GPU hotspot temperature reaches 100 degrees

>GPU热点温度到100度了

Just fuck my shit up senpai. Why even bullshit around with the lower number when the card is cooking up inside the case. Already ordered Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet PTM since reddit recommended something like it and and that Honeywell thing isn't available here. Why aren't thermal pads the norm?

直接把我整废吧，老师。既然显卡在机箱里都快烤熟了，为啥还要拿那个低数字忽悠人。我已经下单了Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet PTM，因为reddit上有人推荐类似的东西，而且Honeywell那个本地买不到。为什么导热垫不成为标配？

>>109420762

I'm running bone stock and it doesn't overheat ever. Hottest I've seen it is 74C with stock fan curve which only really turns the fans to maybe 60%.

我全默认跑，从来没过热过。见过最高74度，原厂风扇曲线也就把风扇转到60%左右。

>>109420766

exactly. They've been caught colluding more than once in the past and all it turned out to be was a slight fine and a couple dudes getting jailed for like 14 months. I think the one guy got out of jail and became CEO of one of the companies because of how much money he made them. Being fined $5 million when your company made $500 million illegally isn't a broken law, it's just a business fee. Fucking bullshit.

确实。他们过去被抓到串通不止一次了，结果就是罚点小钱，几个人蹲个14个月牢。我觉得有个人出狱后直接当了一家公司的CEO，因为他给公司赚了那么多钱。被你赚了5亿刀非法利润罚你500万刀，那不是法律有问题，那只是生意成本。真他妈扯淡。

No one actually believes we're getting a RTX 60XX series at this point, right? We'll start getting D shit like China, and never see a Ti or Super ever again.

现在没人真信我们还能见到RTX 60系列了吧？我们会像中国那样开始吃缩水货，Ti和Super永远没了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785522227612818.gif

>>109420597

You should set a 280~300W power limit to the 3090 and keep it undervolted (running between 800~900mV) to reduce the intensity of their transient spikes.

你应该给3090设个280~300W的功耗墙，然后降压跑（在800~900mV之间），来减轻它的瞬时功耗尖峰。

You'll retain near stock performance and improve its lifespan.

你基本能保住默频性能，还能延长寿命。

The frogposter in the pic used to own a 3090 Aorus Master with overspecced power stages, it wasn't enough to prevent its death.

图里那个青蛙贴主以前有张3090 Aorus Master，供电堆料过剩，但也没能救它一命。

The coomer threw away that 3090 and replaced it with a 4090, which has a better voltage controller and a safer power delivery layout.

那老哥把3090扔了换了4090，这卡电压控制器更好，供电布局也更安全。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785522229033804.jpg

Its so unfair that I only started making money when PC parts became unaffordable for the average person

太不公平了，我刚开始赚钱的时候PC配件已经贵到普通人买不起了

>>109420846

More importantly, will we forgive novidya for this when the bubble bursts and they return to focus on gaming again?

更重要的是，等泡沫破了、他们回来专注游戏时，我们会原谅novidya这次的事吗？

>>109420863

its okay bro we are accelerating. i dont think people realize how fast AI is actually taking off. AI is going to reduce the size of the semiconductor and transistors in all technology. everything will become extremely small, slim, and faster than ever. AI data centers will reduce the size of the data centers. reduce the required energy input for all technology across the world.

没事兄弟，我们在加速。我觉得大家没意识到AI发展得多快。AI会缩小所有技术里的半导体和晶体管尺寸。一切都会变得超小、超薄、比以往任何时候都快。AI数据中心也会缩小体积。全球所有科技所需的能源输入都会降低。

the future is now.

未来已来。

>>109420672

I see no reason to believe that datacenters won't find a way to apply DDR6 to themselves too and eat the supply before it even hits the consumer market.

我看不出有什么理由相信数据中心不会也把DDR6抢过去，在消费市场碰着之前就吃光供货。

>>109420889

aren't we near the point where transistors can't physically get much smaller?

我们是不是快到了晶体管物理上没法再缩小的地步？

>>109420905

they'll make them smaller bro. 2 more weeks.

他们会弄得更小的兄弟。再等两周。

>>109420905

Anything is possible when E = mc^2 + AI

E = mc² + AI 的时候，什么都有可能。

>>109420517

Not great value for money as a gaming machine. A $650 5070 is going to outpreform that 3090 and a 12600k is already better than the i9. For $1500 you can still build or even find a pre-built with current gen parts that matches that level of preformance. There's no reason to ever get a 3090 outside of professional applications that require a lot of vram.

作为游戏机来说性价比不高。650刀买张5070就能干翻3090，12600k也比那i9强。1500刀你完全可以组台新配件的主机，甚至能找到同级别性能的品牌机。除非是需要大量显存的专业应用，否则没有任何理由去买3090。

>>109420762

I fucked around with MSI afterburner just now and lazily managed to get 1950MHz clock at 0.875mV. It passed a couple passes of 3DMark's Steel Nomad stress bench. I'm on an EVGA FTW3 Ultra model. I could probably go faster or lesser mV but so long as I'm under I'll take it.

我刚瞎折腾了下MSI Afterburner，懒懒地就把频率拉到1950MHz，电压0.875mV，还过了几遍3DMark的Steel Nomad压力测试。我用的是EVGA FTW3 Ultra版。可能还能再拉高或者再降电压，但既然已经压住了，那我就这样先用了。

>>109421163

me and my friend used to make fun of our other friend for using msi afterburner because it sounded like shaving cream. he would genuinely get so mad over this.

我和我朋友以前老拿另一个朋友用MSI Afterburner开玩笑，因为这名字听起来像剃须膏。他真会为这个气得不行。

>>109421110

I want the 3090 for the 24gb vram for AI projects

我想要3090就是看中24GB显存，跑AI项目用的。

>>109421174

it does sound like one lmao. I used to use EVGA Precision X1 but they stopped supporting it because EVGA is out of the GPU game unfortunately.

确实听着像剃须膏哈哈。我以前用EVGA Precision X1，但他们不更新了，因为EVGA退出显卡市场了，挺可惜的。

>>109421193

I know Intel has their ARC line of GPUs with higher RAM amounts on them. B50, B60. The B50 is $430 for 16GB VRAM, B60 is $650 for 24GB.

我知道Intel有ARC系列显卡，显存大一些。B50和B60，B50是430刀16GB显存，B60是650刀24GB。

Should I buy the Edifier MR3 for $99.97? I don't use speakers much but the discounted price is tempting.

我该不该花99.97刀买Edifier MR3？我不怎么用音箱，但这个折扣价挺诱人的。

Is a 5080, a good card for 4K gaming or will you need to buy a 5090 for that?

5080跑4K游戏够不够好，还是说这个得买5090才行？

>>109421309

It all depends on the details. Willing to use DLSS? Frame Generation? What games are you going to play? What frame rates do you want?

这全看细节了。你愿不愿意用DLSS？帧生成呢？要玩哪些游戏？想要什么帧率？

>>109421303

I don't know about this specific model but the last Edifiers I had were alright for the price.

我不太了解这款具体型号，但我之前用的Edifier在这个价位还行。

>>109420821

>be me

>try hdr on qdoled

>在QD-OLED上试试HDR

>see the point of increased detail but it's just not bright enough to pump out an impressive image

>能看出细节变多了，但就是不够亮，出不了震撼的画面

idk

>>109420942

even when I lived in the middle of nowhere you had recyclling spots you could throw away shit like this

就算我住偏远乡下，也有回收点能扔这种玩意儿

>>109421309

if you buy a prebuilt 5090 now you can resell it for new price after the price increases

你要是现在买台5090品牌机，等涨价后还能按原价卖掉

last chance

最后一次机会了

works in my country might not in yours

在我这行得通不代表你那也行

>>109418102

Nice brother, I'll be buying the RDNA5 11090XTX myself.

不错啊兄弟，我自己准备入RDNA5 11090XTX。

>>109421333

>What frame rates do you want

>想要什么帧率

I'm fine 40 or higher

40帧以上就行

>What games are you going to play

>要玩什么游戏

I play a whole bunch, but mostly open world, and action games

玩得挺杂，但主要还是开放世界和动作类

>Willing to use DLSS? Frame Generation?

>愿不愿意用DLSS？帧生成呢？

I've never tried it in person, AI-generated frames sound strange, but if it offers a better experience and the AI is not noticeable, then sure.

我还没实际试过，AI生成的帧感觉怪怪的，但如果体验更好而且看不出AI痕迹的话，那当然行。

>>109421343

>the year 2030

>2030年

>dgpus are not sold on market anymore

>独立显卡已经不在市场上卖了

>you have to buy a AI approved cpu igpu package that can connect to the cloud botnet for enhanced streaming capabilities

>你得买一个AI认证的CPU核显套装，能连上云端僵尸网络来增强流式渲染能力

>upscaled 240p30fps into upscaled dlss6 8k600fps streamed to you for 99.9$ a month

>把240p30帧超采样成DLSS6的8K600帧，然后每月99.9美元流给你

>9.99$ for a token per hour of gameplay

>每小时游戏还要9.99美元买令牌

>>109415840

Is DLSS 4.5 Ray Reconstruction launching at the beginning or end of August?

DLSS 4.5光线重建是8月初发布还是8月底发布？

>>109416810

>riven remake

>神秘岛重制版

kek

>>109421370

>underground black markets of people recycling old GPUs

>地下黑市里全是回收旧显卡的人

>adding memory modules to existing GPUs will be an offered service

>给现有GPU加内存模块会成为一项提供的服务

>AMD Fury X with the original 4GB HBM VRAM and 16GB GDDR5X memory pulled off older scrapped GPUs to act as VRAM swap

>AMD Fury X带原装4GB HBM显存和从旧报废显卡上拆下来的16GB GDDR5X内存，用来当显存交换

>somehow the Nvidia Fermi lineup is still in play

>不知怎么的Nvidia Fermi系列还在用

Some cyberpunk shit except without all the cool stuff from a cyberpunk dystopia.

这有点赛博朋克，但缺了赛博朋克反乌托邦里那些酷炫的东西。

>>109421309

Maybe if you can find one for under $1,200 US.

也许你能找到低于1200美元的卡的话还行。

It has a decent amount of overclocking headroom, NVIDIA left some gap for a 5080 Super on this GB203 chip.

它有不错的超频空间，NVIDIA在这颗GB203芯片上给5080 Super留了点余地。

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-gb203.g1073

>>109421370

We will get at least 2 more generations of hardware released because AMD/Intel/Nvidia have already spent millions on r&d and they would be stupid not to release the products.

至少还会出两代硬件，因为AMD/Intel/Nvidia已经砸了几百万在研发上，不发布产品那才是傻。

>Have an RTX 3080 undervolted since launch

>RTX 3080从发布就一直在降压用

>paranoid about it breaking on me

>担心它哪天坏了

>no idea what I'd even get for 1440p gaming if it was to break

>真坏了都不知道该买啥打1440p游戏

RTX 3070 on eBay is like $225. RTX 3060 Ti is similar. Possibly an RTX 2080Ti for $200? Here's to hoping this card lasts until this bubble pops I guess.

3070在eBay上大概225美元。3060 Ti也差不多。可能2080Ti能200美元买到？那就祈祷这卡撑到泡泡爆了吧。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785526607224327.jpg

>>109421361

5080 is fine for those requirements, maybe wait for other people's input as well. I neglected to mention ray tracing, which can ravage any GPU. The price difference between it and the 5090 is ludicrous and probably not really worth it if any of this is what you want.

5080对那需求够了，但也可以看看别人怎么说。我没提光追，那玩意儿能虐哭任何GPU。它和5090的价差太离谱了，如果这些是你想要的，可能不值。

>AI-generated frames sound strange, but if it offers a better experience and the AI is not noticeable, then sure.

>AI生成的帧听起来怪怪的，但如果体验更好而且AI感不明显，那当然可以。

Upscaling looks fine these days, but the higher you go with frame generation the more input lag you get since it's tied to the actual base rate, although that only gets a problem when you go idiot-tier (4x or whatever). Honestly I'd read up on any of this before spending money, there's quite a lot of info available for beginners.

现在超分辨率看起来挺好，但帧生成开得越高输入延迟越大，因为它跟实际基础帧率挂钩，不过只有在你开傻逼级别（4倍或啥）时才会成问题。老实说花钱前多查查吧，新手资料挺多的。

>>109421455

youd just get a 5070, duh

你就买个5070呗，这还用问

I mean you could afford 800$ msrp 3080 in the past so, you have had income at some point? You can afford things today?

我说你以前能买800美元MSRP的3080，所以某段时间你有收入？现在买得起东西吗？

>>109421488

>I mean you could afford 800$ msrp 3080 in the past so, you have had income at some point? You can afford things today?

>我说你以前能买800美元MSRP的3080，所以某段时间你有收入？现在买得起东西吗？

The rest of my PC is old (Intel 9th gen) and putting in a 5070 just seems like a waste, but yeah I suppose. Just wouldn't feel good.

我电脑其他部分很旧（Intel 9代），塞个5070感觉挺浪费，但也是，是吧。就是不舒服。

Should I buy an intel gpu or nah?

我该不该买Intel显卡？

>>109421513

I got 3080 too, my attempts to increase longevity have been undervolt, using a temu gpu stand so it doesnt warp and break, and replacing the paste with a ptm pad for the chip + thermal putty for the random vram bits

我也用3080，为了延长寿命我做了降压、用Temu显卡支架防止弯曲断裂，还把硅脂换成了芯片上的PTM垫片加各种显存位的导热膏。

>>109421529

Nah, Intel only gets brought up to shit on AMD for being too expensive or not having enough vram, same way AMD gets brought up to shit on Nvidia for being too expensive and not having enough vram.

别，Intel只是用来喷AMD太贵或显存不够的，就像AMD用来喷Nvidia太贵和显存不够一样。

>>109421537

The repasting with ptm is a good idea since apparently a lot of older Nvidia cards have shitty thermal paste that pumps out.

换PTM重新涂是好主意，因为据说很多老Nvidia卡的硅脂质量差会泵出。

Is it normal to have 17,000MB of standby data in your RAM?

RAM里有17,000MB的待机数据正常吗？

It says I only have 738MB of RAM free.

系统说我只有738MB空闲RAM了。

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>>109421537

I just undervolted today. I have some cooler master GPU stand back when no one else was making them so warping isn't an issue. Still using stock paste. haven't had any overheating issues, not even close, so haven't seen the need to swap. I haven't had any issues, black screens, driver crashes, artifacting, or anything like that. Just paranoid.

我今天刚降压了。我有个酷冷至尊的显卡支架，那还是别人都没做这玩意儿的时候买的，所以弯曲变形不是问题。还是用的原厂硅脂。没碰到过任何过热问题，连边儿都不沾，所以也没觉得有必要换。我啥问题都没有，黑屏、驱动崩溃、花屏之类的全没遇到过。就是有点疑神疑鬼而已。

>>109421575

sure

>girlfriend needs a new ssd because hers is failing

>女朋友需要换新固态，因为她那块快挂了

>samsung 2tb is $400 ON SALE

>三星2TB打折还要400美元

there's no fucking way what the fuck? crucial vulcan and WD are fine right? they're all $200 less

开什么玩笑啊这他妈什么鬼？crucial vulcan和WD应该没问题吧？都便宜200美元

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>>109421650

Get a Lexar, not kidding.

上Lexar吧，不开玩笑。

>>109421650

how is it failing

怎么个挂法？

typically ssds go "works" to "pc doesnt wake up"

固态通常就是从“能用”直接跳到“电脑开不了机”

Id look at 1tb cheapo units that are good enough to carry over the memory crisis period

我会看那种便宜的1TB丐版盘，撑过这段内存危机时期就够了

>>109419952

>>109420015

Went to best buy, got an rm850x, hooked it all up, and the computer is on and works fine. The issue definitely has to be with the motherboard or something. In a few months if this PSU dies again, I'll be in a better financial and time position than I am now to fully correct this.

去了趟百思买，搞了个rm850x，全接上，电脑能开而且跑得好好的。问题肯定出在主板上或者别的什么。再过几个月如果这电源又挂了，我那时候经济和时间的条件会比现在好，能彻底把这破事修好。

>>109421650

Real men hunt and take what they need.

真男人靠打猎拿自己需要的东西。

Be a man and go steal an SSD from your local best buy.

像个男人一样去你们当地的百思买偷块固态吧。

>>109421673

just insanely slow and choppy download speeds. her cpu is almost brand new so it SHOULDNT be that (and i really hope it isnt because i fucking hate replacing them). when i replaced my last failing drive my download/load speeds quadrupled

就是下载速度慢到离谱还一卡一卡的。她CPU几乎全新，所以按理说不该是那问题（我也真希望不是，因为我他妈最烦换那玩意儿）。我上次换掉要挂的硬盘之后，下载加载速度直接翻了好几倍。

>>109416969

Replace the samsung ssd with a pcie 5 one like these: https://geizhals.de/?cat=hdssd&xf=7139_%3E%3D1.92TB~7140_%3C%3D2.048TB~7186_Toshiba%2FWD~7186_Kioxia~7186_Micron~7186_Samsung~7525_M.2+%28PCIe%29~7527_PCIe+5.0+x4~8232_ja&pagesize=30&sort=p&promode=true

>>109421655

i dont really like the chip ssds

我不太喜欢那种QLC芯片的固态。

>>109421650

Samsung has the premium name tag tax on it plus, tbf, it's Samsung. They control their own NAND, their own controller, their own firmware, their own drivers, their own software package. Something like a 2TB Samsung 9100 Pro is TLC based NAND and includes a dedicated DRAM cache. The drives you're comparing it to from Crucial, WD, or Silicon Power for instance are usually DRAM-less and using QLC based NAND. Not to mention they're often an older or slower PCIe standard.

三星有品牌溢价税，而且说实话，它毕竟是三星。NAND自己控、主控自己控、固件自己控、驱动自己控、软件包自己控。像2TB的三星9100 Pro是TLC NAND还带独立DRAM缓存。你拿来对比的那些crucial、WD或者Silicon Power的盘，通常是DRAM-less加QLC NAND。更别说它们往往是更老或更慢的PCIe标准。

For your use case, literally just buy the cheapest SSD. Unless your gf is doing crazy write intensive workstation kind of work, a generic PCIe 4.0 QLC no DRAM NVME SSD will be perfectly fine. I have a 2TB SATA based QLC SSD exclusively as a game installation drive.

按你的使用场景，直接就买最便宜的固态就行。除非你女朋友在做那种疯狂写密集的工作站级活儿，否则一块普通的PCIe 4.0 QLC无DRAM NVME固态完全够用。我自己就有一块2TB SATA接口的QLC固态，专门用来装游戏。

>>109421723

Surely you did specific ssd tests

你肯定做过专门的固态测试吧

>>109421742

haha yes of course

哈哈那当然

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>>109421751

>"oh my chrome has choppy downloads"

>“哦我这Chrome下载卡成狗”

>"lets check amazon samsung 990 pro 2tb and get it fixed"

>“来查查三星990 pro 2TB然后修好它”

>>109421193

not anon, but if you rented a 48gb GPU, it would cost 25 cents per hour (2x3090).

不是匿名那位，但你要是租一块48GB显卡，每小时只要25美分（相当于2块3090）。

and it would cost $2000 if you ran it for an entire year.

跑一整年也就2000美元。

it's well known that renting the whole GPU is very cost-ineffective, because you are not even using the full power of the GPU, unlike a service that hosts hundreds of user sessions at once with one GPU.

众所周知租整块显卡非常不划算，因为你根本用不满显卡的全部性能，不像那种一个GPU同时托管几百个用户会话的服务。

If you just want a provider that hosts a specific LLM, it would take a very, very long time for the cost of the GPU to pay itself off, even if we assume in 4 years 48gb GPU prices increase by 4-10x.

如果你只是想要一个托管特定LLM的服务商，那得等非常非常久才能让GPU成本回本，就算假设4年后48GB显卡价格涨个4到10倍也一样。

Because it's priced per million of tokens, a 48gb model would cost in the range of cents per million input/output tokens, but since many people use these providers for programming, they need the best of the best models, like glm / kimi which requires 500gb+ of vram for an 8bit quant (it's trained with 4tb+ of vram in fp32 format). So these models are VERY expensive, costing 4$ per million of input tokens (with a lower cost for the cache), so you can easily rack up like $100-$1000 in a month if you make hundreds of queries a day with a completely full context. But if your context is only like a few thousand tokens / you don't let agents run wild unattended, it's very cheap.

因为它是按每百万token计价的，一块48GB的模型每百万输入/输出token大概只要几美分，但很多人用这些服务是搞编程的，他们需要最顶级的模型，比如GLM或Kimi，这类模型8bit量化都需要500GB以上的显存（训练时FP32格式要4TB以上显存）。所以这些模型非常贵，每百万输入token要4美元（缓存有折扣），如果你每天发几百条查询且上下文全满，一个月轻松花掉100到1000美元。但如果你的上下文只有几千token，或者你不让agent无人值守乱跑，那就很便宜。

>>109421798

i just know there's a 90% chance its my cpu or drive. the drives are fucking ancient

我就知道90%的可能是我的CPU或硬盘出问题。那些硬盘老得跟化石一样。

>>109421818

>it's trained with 4tb+ of vram in fp32 format

>它训练时FP32格式需要4TB以上显存

oh nevermind, I forgot they are MoE models, so each expert can be trained with a lot less vram.

哦算了，我忘了它们是MoE模型，所以每个专家可以用少得多的显存训练。

>>109421821

Sure, if its old then buy the 1tb cheap model

当然，如果它很老，那就买个1TB的便宜型号呗。

>>109421821

No one needs a 2tb ssd, there are other options for storage for media and whatever else that isn't your operating system

没人需要2TB的SSD，存媒体和别的东西有别的方案，不一定非要装系统盘上。

I paid 1000€ for 2x used 48GB 6000mt CL30 sticks on ebay

我在eBay上花了1000欧元买了两条二手的48GB 6000MT CL30内存条。

And it was worth it

而且物有所值。

>>109418652

More like ASUS was getting tired of retards ruining their shitty oleds and sending them back for "repair".

更像是华硕受够了那些傻逼把他们的垃圾OLED搞坏然后又送回来“维修”。

>>109421967

I could have bought on sale 96gb kits for half that but didnt because

我本来可以半价买到96GB套装打折的，但没买，因为——

>>109421974

Asus can do that on their own with the amount of bugs they have related to if pixel refresh is running or not

华硕自己就能做到这点，他们关于像素刷新是否在运行的bug多的是。

not a pixel shift shit

不是像素位移那种破事。

you can disable tons of shit that is supposed to dim an fuck up the image already this is just one more thing that is bad

你本来就能禁用一堆用来调暗和搞坏画面的功能，这只是又多了一个烂东西。

but yes you are correct it's the retarded manufacturers trying to prolong the warranty window beyond 3 years so they don't have to replace peoples monitors why we got forced refreshes and shit like that

但你说得对，是那些傻逼厂商想把手保期拖过三年，这样就不用给用户换屏了，所以我们才被迫搞刷新和这种鬼东西。

literally makes shit unusable

真的让人没法用。

like I cannot even imagine people who came up with that shit

我都想象不出想出这东西的人是什么脑子。

can you imagine your oled phone randomly taking a break for 6 minutes because it needs a refresh while you try to call 911 because you are dying?

你能想象你的OLED手机在你快死的时候打911，结果它突然要刷新，随机休息6分钟吗？

oled laptops, tvs

OLED笔记本、电视。

nothing behaves like this

没东西会这样。

only for gaymers

只有给游戏宅用的。

again, its not all manufacturers

再说一次，不是所有厂商都这样。

samsung monitor division does not do this, not lg

三星显示器部门不会这么干，LG也不会。

asus i dont think does it

华硕我觉得也没这么干。

and the worst thing about it all its entirely placebo made up dog shit, nothing demands you need to run a pixel refresh at set hours to prevent burn in

最恶心的是这完全是安慰剂式的瞎编狗屁，根本没有任何东西要求你必须在固定时间跑像素刷新来防烧屏。

you could aswell do it way later

你大可以晚点再做。

its completely made up shit

这完全是编出来的破事。

msi and other manufacturers raised the forced hours to 24 hours to alleviate this shit, remember when I called it out long before when it was 16 hours by default? I said it was shit, it's still shit though but you might dodge it more now, or not ,depending on

MSI和其他厂商把强制刷新时间提到了24小时来缓解这破事，记得我之前早就吐槽过默认16小时吗？我说那是垃圾，现在还是垃圾，只是你可能更容易躲开了，或者不一定，看情况。

but again the implementation is completely random on what monitor specifically manufacturer have no standard evenm between monitors on the same manufacturer the shit is different, firmwares, everything

但说到底，显示器具体用哪块面板纯看运气，厂商之间根本没有统一标准，哪怕是同一家厂商的不同型号都不一样，固件啊、各种东西全都不一样

its just abhorrent

简直恶心到极点

makes a nigga wanna use a shit lcd way more

搞得我都想回去用垃圾LCD了

>got FOMd and bought 5070 Ti for 950 EUR yesterday

>昨天被FOMO冲昏头，950欧买了5070 Ti

>the cheapest 5070 Ti in my country is now 1070 EUR

>现在国内最便宜的5070 Ti已经1070欧了

Holy shit they really ARE getting more expensive...

卧槽它们真的一直在涨价…

Glad I panic bought.

幸好我恐慌下手了

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>>109422055

If you bought a 5090 during the dip like I told you, you could have sold it and bought a free 5070 Ti for the spare money

你要是听了我的话在低谷买了5090，现在卖掉就能白赚一张5070 Ti了

>>109422038

>can you imagine your oled phone randomly taking a break for 6 minutes because it needs a refresh while you try to call 911 because you are dying?

>你能想象你正在打911求救快死的时候，你那个OLED手机突然要休息6分钟做刷新吗？

you can press the power button five times to call SOS on most smartphones even when they are locked

大多数智能手机就算锁屏了，按五下电源键也能呼出SOS

>>109422065

now imagine the phone cuts off all external audio and goes black (audio was muted on monitor speakers while my old oled monitor refreshed) while trying to call 911 so your five button press does not work?

那再想象一下，手机把所有外部音频切断然后黑屏（我以前那个OLED显示器刷新的时候，显示器喇叭的声音会被静音）的同时你在打911，那五下按键根本不起作用？

do you wanna know how deep my grievances goes with a pixel refresh my negro?

你想知道我对像素刷新有多深的怨念吗兄弟？

>>109422064

>5090s are now 4500+ EUR

>5090现在已经4500+欧了

I would probably get robed or raped trying to sell this on the marketplace so def not a valid reselling strategy lmao

我要是拿去二手市场卖估计会被人抢甚至被人打，所以这绝对不是什么可行的转卖策略哈哈

You know things are bad when the person who encouraged people to buy video cards (5090) with BNPL plans last year turned out to be sharing sound financial advice.

你都懂行情有多离谱了——去年还劝人用分期付款买5090的那位，现在居然成了在给你靠谱的理财建议。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785530992864620.jpg

>>109422055

I don't think 5070Tis really change much

我觉得5070 Ti也改变不了什么

I bought mine for EUR 890 in April 2025

2025年4月我890欧入手的

Sure it's like 50 bucks more now, but a 5070Ti is kinda useless for local AI unless you like to run Qwen3.5-9B

现在确实贵了大概50块，但5070 Ti跑本地AI基本没啥用，除非你就爱跑Qwen3.5-9B

>>109422092

>now imagine

>现在想象一下

yea but your example was bad. The majority of people probably doesn't even know that trick as it allows you to use even someone else smartphone to call SOS if shit hits the fan. My ASUS monitor only pixel cleans if I turn it off or prompt it manually but I also never used it for 8 hours in a row as I turn off my PC when I go away for more than 10 minutes.

对，但你举的例子不太行。大多数人估计根本不知道那个技巧，而且这招的好处是万一出事了你拿别人手机也能呼SOS。我的华硕显示器只有关机或者手动触发才会做像素清洁，而且我也从没连续用过8小时，离开电脑超过10分钟我就关机了。 ♢ 我不玩AI，我只是想从3060 Ti升级到5070 Ti打游戏，我对这次升级非常满意。

>>109422108

I don't want to AI, I just wanted a gaming upgrade from 3060 Ti to 5070 Ti and I am very happy with the upgrade.

我不想用AI，我只是想把显卡从3060 Ti升级到5070 Ti，而且我对这次升级非常满意。

Plus, furtureproofed myself with the 16GB of VRAM.

而且还有16GB显存，算给自己留了后路。

>>109422099

>tell people 5090 is the best value gpu because it wont go down in price only up

>跟人说5090是最值的显卡因为只会涨不会跌

>2x the price now

>现在价格翻倍了

getting tired of being vindicated all the time

天天被证明是对的真的挺累的

>>109422113

>but I also never used it for 8 hours in a row

>但我从没连续用过8小时

You gotta run it for 25 hours straight to unlock the truth of the pixel refresh these day sadly

现在你得不眠不休跑25小时才能解锁像素刷新的真相，真是悲哀

and I will dare remind you again that it does not even matter if a buggy implementation "only run it for 8 hours" because if the pixel refresh does not trigger or only triggers during 16-24 hour loops the counter does not reset, thus meaning it will trigger at random hours if it's a really bad implementation regardless if you run 8 hours

而且我还得再提醒你一遍，就算有些垃圾实现“只跑8小时”也没用，因为如果像素刷新没触发或者只在16-24小时循环里触发，计数器就不会重置，也就是说如果是烂实现，不管你有没有跑到8小时，它都会在随机时间跳出来

but as I said asus probably has a better implementation

但就像我说的，华硕可能实现得更好一些

literally all budget oleds were rendered completely fucked due to bad firmware implementations, it would be better to never ever run unless done manually, or simply if the monitor is actually just turned off

老实说，所有便宜OLED都因为糟糕的固件实现被搞得一团糟，最好永远别自动跑，除非手动操作，或者干脆只是把显示器真正关掉

that would solve everything

那就能解决一切了

but apparenttly that is too hard to do so where we are

但显然这事儿太难做了，所以我们就卡在这儿了

now im stuck in oled purgatory hell talking about this forever

现在我就像被困在OLED的炼狱里，永远聊这个没完

>>109421309

There is not a card alive that is good for 4k gaming. No, upscaling with dlss/fsr/xess doesn't count. No, playing at garbage settings doesn't count. No, playing only old as dirt games that a card from 10 years ago could do 4k with doesn't count. 4k is a meme and will be for the foreseeable future. Go with 1440p.

没有哪张卡是真正适合4K游戏的。不，用DLSS/FSR/XeSS升频不算。不，用辣鸡画质设置玩不算。不，只玩老掉牙的、十年前显卡都能4K的游戏不算。4K就是个笑话，未来很长一段时间都会是。选1440p吧。

>>109422150

Pixel refresh is the one where it goes through every colour? The pixel cleaning I have turns the monitor off for a few minutes to clear static elements from what I understand. It has some driver issues on 240 and 270 hz or in multi monitor setups sadly.

像素刷新是那种会跑一遍所有颜色的吗？我那个像素清理会关掉显示器几分钟来清除静态元素，据我理解是这样。它在240和270Hz或者多显示器设置下有些驱动问题，挺烦的。

my 24 inch aoc monitor shit the bed today

我的24寸AOC显示器今天挂了

should i buy an oled? they only come in 27 inch tho and i unironically hate anything bigger than 24 inches

我该买OLED吗？但只有27寸的，而且我真心讨厌任何大于24寸的

>>109422254

ASUS has an upcoming 25" 1080p OLED with high hz if you really want a small OLED but I doubt it will be cheap.

华硕有一款即将出的25寸1080p高刷OLED，如果你真想要小尺寸OLED的话，但我怀疑不会便宜

>>109422254

The best upgrade is upcoming 360hz 32" 4k glossy qd oled offerings

最好的升级是即将到来的360Hz 32寸4K镜面QD-OLED产品

But theres some older 240hz that may get reduced prices due to better stuff being out there

但有些老款240Hz的可能会因为新东西出来而降价

>>109422157

>You're only allowed to play triple A dogshit or it doesn't count

>你只能玩那些垃圾3A大作，不然就不算数

>And you can only keep buying triple A dogshit the moment it releases and nothing else until the next turd comes out.

>而且你只能一发售就买那些垃圾3A，别的什么都不能碰，直到下一坨出来

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785532588722238.png

When did pcbg become an OLED thread?

这帖子什么时候变成OLED讨论帖了？

>>109422302

They started getting mainstream cheap last year + ips lcd continue to be a horrible technology that everyone greatly benefits getting rid of.

去年开始它们变得主流又便宜，加上IPS LCD继续是一种烂技术，大家除掉它都受益良多

>>109419184

Buy the TCL 25G64 that was mentioned earlier if you don't want a 27" monitor.

如果不想买27寸的，就买前面提到的TCL 25G64吧

It supposedly has an IPS panel, and you can set it to run like a backlit IPS if you're not happy with the local dimming.

据说它是IPS面板，如果你对局部调光不满意，可以设置成类似背光IPS的模式来用

https://www.walmart.com/ip/TCL-25-G64-Series-FHD-HDR-QD-Mini-LED-Gaming-Monitor-300Hz-Refresh-Rate-LD180-Precise-Dimming-Series-HDR600-Brightness-1ms-AMD-FreeSync-25G64/18328164441

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785532808573168.png

>>109422302

Prices for OLED monitors have been going down, with decent 1440p 240/280Hz options costing less than $400.

OLED显示器的价格一直在降，不错的1440p 240/280Hz选项不到400美元

You can get a nice 32" 4K OLED for around $650~800 during sales.

促销时你可以花大概650到800美元买到一台不错的32寸4K OLED

Only other stuff worth talking about is discounted/bundled CPUs (discussed to death), and peripherals like mouse & keyboards.

其他值得聊的就只有打折或捆绑的CPU（已经聊烂了），还有鼠标键盘之类的外设

>>109422297

>intentionally reading entirely different statements than what is actually posted so you can post an ebin reaction image maymay and act like a retard

>故意去理解那些跟实际发帖完全不同的说法，好发个“神回复”表情包，装傻充愣

Whatever random indieslop or 20 year old game you're going to pretend you care about could probably do 4k on a 1030. The discussion is about actual usecases real hardware purchases are based around.

你准备假装在意的那些随机独立游戏垃圾或者20年前的老游戏，可能1030都能跑4K。讨论的是基于实际硬件购买的真实使用场景。

>>109422157

Stop being a poorfag and get a 5K screen for productivity, just use 2x integer scale to use your precious 1440p resolution for gay men.

别当穷鬼了，搞个5K屏来干活，用2倍整数缩放就能用到你宝贵的1440p分辨率，给基佬们用吧。

Fellas, I bought a new pc but I will keep on using my old drives. The issue is that I am currently using intel, and the new one is amd. Do I need to uninstall anything to not have issues, or just plugging in the old drives in the new build will work just as fine, as long as I ghet the new drives?

兄弟们，我买了台新电脑，但还会继续用旧硬盘。问题是现在我用的英特尔，新的换成AMD了。我需要卸载点啥避免出问题吗，还是直接把旧硬盘插上新配置就一样能用，只要我装上驱动就行？

>>109422355

Different people have different tastes, I much prefer the overall sharpness of UHD over any framerate advantage 1440p might have.

各人口味不同，我更喜欢UHD的整体锐利度，胜过1440p可能带来的任何帧数优势。

>>109422317

It's so horrible that salesmen literally have to cheat and show off horrible IPS screens using a ridiculous 720p or worse source or else no one would pick the OLEDs.

真受不了，销售员必须靠骗，用可笑的720p甚至更低画质的源来展示那些垃圾IPS屏，不然没人会选OLED。

>>109422393

You need to reinstall windows to avoid issues

你需要重装Windows才能避免问题。

>>109422355

You can play 99% of all games ever made at 4k max settings on reasonably priced hardware.

用价格合理的硬件，你能在4K最高画质下玩99%的史上所有游戏。

>>109422345

>You can get a nice 32" 4K OLED for around $650~800 during sales.

>促销时你大概花650到800美元就能买到不错的32寸4K OLED。

$580 for the ROG XG32UCDS seem to be an all time-low. 165Hz is fine given the 4K resolution.

ROG XG32UCDS 580美元好像是历史最低了。165Hz在4K分辨率下完全够用。

Newegg is desperate for cash.

Newegg急着要钱。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785533494611220.png

Reminder those fans and rads mean nothing without an adequate chimney cooling setup

提醒一下，没配好烟囱式散热风道的话，那些风扇和水排啥也不是。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785533515403593.png

>>109422403

Then you're stupid because 1440p native is absolutely sharp and clear. Don't tell me your comparison is some xboxhueg screen running at 1440p instead of a 27"?

那你就是傻，1440p原生画质绝对锐利清晰。别告诉我你拿的是个超大屏跑1440p，而不是27寸的来比？

>>109422414

>including games dating back to DOS

>包括DOS时代的老游戏

Nobody asking if a 5080 is good for 4k is thinking about running fury3 off myabandonware, anon.

没人问5080适不适合4K的时候，会想着用myabandonware跑Fury3，老哥。

>>109422302

The same way TV forums became HDR central overnight. Shills are everywhere. "Yes, I love seeing my reflection on my monitor and I only use it in total darkness in order to appreciate the deep blacks. Uh oh, I read a PDF on it, forgot my computer was inhibiting the screen's standby, and now my boss admitting to several financial crimes is burnt into my screen!"

就跟电视论坛一夜之间全变成HDR主场一样，水军到处都有。“是啊，我真喜欢在显示器上看到自己的倒影，我只在全黑环境用它来欣赏深邃的黑场。哎呀，我在上面读了PDF，忘了电脑阻止了屏幕待机，现在老板承认金融犯罪的画面烧屏了！”

case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case

机箱：Fractal Design - Focus G Mini（黑色）MicroATX迷你塔式机箱

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

CPU：锐龙5 1600

GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6g

GPU：英伟达GTX 1060 6G

Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard

主板：ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4主板

Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

内存：Team - Vulcan 16GB（2 x 8GB）DDR4-3000

PSU: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

电源：SeaSonic - G 550W 80+金牌认证半模组ATX电源

Anything worth keeping or overhaul it all?

有啥值得留的，还是全换？

>>109422403

>It's so horrible that salesmen literally have to cheat and show off horrible IPS screens using a ridiculous 720p or worse source or else no one would pick the OLEDs.

>真受不了，销售员必须靠骗，用可笑的720p甚至更低画质的源来展示那些垃圾IPS屏，不然没人会选OLED。

It's time for your meds.

该吃药了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785533765643571.jpg

>>109422302

I have an OLED and I think it's ok but I can't recommend it either. Yea cool the blacks but now do 5% grey on a WOLED

我有台OLED，觉得还行，但也推荐不了。是，黑色是很酷，但试试在WOLED上看5%灰阶。

>>109419952

>>109421691

Your CPU could be cooked, the AM5 motherboard & CPU issues aren't isolated to Ryzen 9000 CPUs or ASRock motherboards.

你的CPU可能烧了，AM5主板和CPU的问题不只限于锐龙9000系列或ASRock主板。

Try to get a replacement CPU directly from AMD.

试着直接找AMD换个CPU。

I just wish my matte samsung tizen os oled was glossy and didnt have samsung software

我就希望我的磨砂三星Tizen系统OLED是亮面的，而且没三星那堆软件。

horee shit the OS/menus its bad bad, just to turn off "WARNING THIS SETTING INCREASES ENERGY CONSUMPTION" requires going to the fucking service menu. It's made by satan.

我的天，那系统和菜单差得离谱，要关掉“警告：此设置增加能耗”都得进服务菜单。这玩意儿是撒旦做的。

matte makes stuff look grainy for no reason

磨砂屏让画面无缘无故发糊。

>>109422460

I play on 75hz but hoping to be on a 200/240hz monitor after upgrade, I like playing cod4(2007) to quakes and quake likes, hoping to play games like death stranding to street fighter ultra graphics n 250+fps

我现在用75Hz，但升级后希望上200/240Hz的显示器。我喜欢玩COD4（2007）到雷神之锤和类雷神游戏，也希望能以超高画质和250+fps玩死亡搁浅和街头霸王这类游戏。

>>109422470

It's not like you spend your day staring at a 5% grey slide.

又不是你整天盯着一张5%灰度的测试图看。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785534117773016.jpg

>>109422438

>you get one extra pixel every 2 pixels from going to 1440p to 2160p

>从1440p升到2160p，每2个像素才多出1个像素

>this isn't noticeable at 27"

>这在27寸上根本看不出来

I say this without sarcasm, do yourself a favor and schedule a visit to the local optometrist/ophthalmologist.

我说这话不带讽刺，真心建议你去当地眼科诊所挂个号看看。

>>109422517

I see more dark greys with dark mode and Tomorrow style than blacks and latter apparently is unbearable on IPS

我用深色模式和Tomorrow风格时更多看到的是深灰，而不是纯黑，后者在IPS屏上简直难受得要命。

>>109422508

I don't think a 5800x3d manages 250fps in death stranding, you might have to overhaul the entire thing.

我不觉得5800x3d能在死亡搁浅里跑到250fps，你可能得整套全换。

>>109422571

Ok,

>>109422580

Actually I might be wrong, on youtube people are pushing 220 avg with 38% CPU usage.

其实我可能说错了，YouTube上有人测到平均220帧，CPU占用才38%。

>>109422408

Fuck, thanks for letting me know.

操，谢谢你告诉我。

>>109422424

thanks dercucker

谢了老哥

>>109422424

I just keep my pc inside the freezer, checkmate

我直接把电脑放冰箱里，将死你

>>109422646

your condensation?

你冷凝水怎么办？

>>109419952

>The psu is a Corsair RM1000x atx3.1. it should definitely be good for my PC. I did the thing where you unplug, hold the button for 30 secs and try again. I heard a super tiny click sound from my PSU. Any ideas?

>电源是海盗船RM1000x atx3.1。对我这配置应该绰绰有余。我试了拔电、按住开机键30秒再开机那招，然后听到电源里传来一声超级细微的咔哒声，有啥想法吗？

That's likely the sound of the relay inside the PSU, this is normal.

那很可能是电源内部继电器的声音，这是正常的。

Get your CPU replaced, and update the board's BIOS to the latest stable version.

换个CPU，然后把主板BIOS更新到最新的稳定版。

https://web.archive.org/web/20240410072304/http://jongerow.com/Common_issues/clicking_noise.html

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785535300119714.png

its a good thing the next xbox and ps6 are going to be digital only. discs are bad for the environment. only consoomers will defend physical media these days.

好消息是下一代Xbox和PS6都要纯数字版了。光盘对环保不好。现在只有消费脑残才会给实体介质辩护。

unless its stuff like books which can be reduced, reused, and recycled!

除非是书那种东西，可以减量、复用、回收！

>>109422732

/v/ is two blocks down anon. PC has been digital for years already so your ragebait wont work here.

/v/版在下面两条街，老哥。PC早就数字化了，你在这钓鱼没用的。

>>109422732

Why do they keep making consoles when PCs are superior in everything?

为什么他们还在造主机，PC各方面都碾压啊？

>>109422755

how is it ragebait its literally true. discs are bad for the environment

怎么就是钓鱼了，这本来就是事实。光盘确实对环境不好。

>>109422779

uh huh

嗯哼

you done yet we're past bump limit already bro

你完了没，兄弟，都已经超回复上限了。

>>109422779

more than AI data centers :^)?

比AI数据中心还环保吗:^)？

>>109422786

Electricity going through silicon is much more efficient at doing work than a human.

电流流过硅片做功，比起人类干活效率高太多了。

So as long as the humans that got replaced by datacenters are culled it's super environmentally friendly. And ofc the work needs to be productive somehow.

所以只要被数据中心取代掉的那些人类都被清除，那就超级环保。当然，这些工作也得确实产生价值才行。

>>109422786

i already said it but im unironically in favor of AI data centers. they are a necessary evil. short-term evil, long term utilitarian benefits. trust the plan.

我说过了但我还是认真讲，我支持AI数据中心。它们是必要的恶。短期是恶，长期有功利主义的收益。相信计划就完事了。

>>109422803

if humans are bad for the environment we should just nuke india.

如果人类对环境有害，那我们直接把印度炸了算了。

>>109422831

I think environmentalists mostly want to kill white people and let indians inhabit their lands

我觉得环保主义者主要是想杀白人，然后让印度人住他们的地。

I could be wrong

我也可能说错了。

https://youtu.be/XDEJLOHcdWw

Nvidia Driver Issues

英伟达驱动问题

>>109422865

It wasn't reasonable to ask NVIDIA engineers to grind a game for hours just to reproduce a bug that appears "after extended gameplay sessions" (no lifeing unfinished PoE 2).

你不能要求英伟达工程师花几个小时死磕游戏，就为了复现一个“长时间游玩后出现”的bug（还是没打完的POE2半成品）。

GGG only reproduced the bug on very specific hardware configurations, and in a timely manner after overhauling their testing infrastructure (creating replay system).

GGG只在非常特定的硬件配置上复现了这个问题，而且是在他们翻新测试基础设施（做了回放系统）之后才及时复现的。

If a bug takes 18 months to isolate, the telemetry and diagnostic tooling definitely weren't where they needed to be on day one.

如果一个bug花了18个月才隔离出来，那遥测和诊断工具从一开始就没到位。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785536760297087.png

Oh that's why the 9060 XT doesn't seem like a great value, it used to be more like half the price of a 9070 XT instead of 2/3.

哦，难怪9060 XT看起来性价比不高，它以前大概只有9070 XT价格的一半，而不是现在的三分之二。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785537362190165.png

>>109422960

Nvidia Driver Issues

英伟达驱动问题

>>109423045

Games are complicated and pc systems have numerous potential configurations issues

游戏很复杂，PC系统也有大量潜在的配置问题。

>>109423045

GGG testing environment issues that delayed driver fix for well over a year.

GGG的测试环境问题导致驱动修复拖了一年多。

I'd say the same if this affected PoE2 no lifers using AMD Radeon cards.

如果这事影响到用AMD Radeon卡狂刷PoE2的肝帝们，我也会这么说。

>>109422844

I'd vote for an environmentalist who financed condom usage and abortions outside europe. It's too bad close to 100% of environmentalist parties are financed by russia or china.

我会投票给一个资助欧洲以外避孕套使用和堕胎的环保主义者。可惜近100%的环保政党都是俄罗斯或中国资助的。

>>109423057

>>109423067

This affects multiple games not just POE2. Nvidia shader heap size is too low and so is their shader cache limit size. AMD doesn't have these issues. Nvidia has had these driver issues for years now.

这影响的不只是PoE2，很多游戏都中招。Nvidia的着色器堆大小和缓存上限都太低，AMD没这些问题。Nvidia这些驱动问题已经存在好几年了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785538256066977.png

Short of getting a 5090 and 9950X3D2 is there anything I can do to upgrade my current build in a meaningful way? Or should I just want until the next gen of stuff comes out?

除了搞一张5090和9950X3D2，我还能有什么有意义的方式升级现有配置吗？还是应该等到下一代出来再说？

>5070Ti

>9850X3D

>280mm AIO (be quiet! Pure Loop 3, with upgraded Silent Wing Pro 4)

>280mm一体式水冷（be quiet! Pure Loop 3，配升级版Silent Wing Pro 4）

>Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet

>热灰熊 KryoSheet

>32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL 36

>4TB Gen 5 NVMe SSD

>MSI MAG B850 Tomahawk MAC

MSI MAG B850 Tomahawk 网卡地址(MAC)

>be quiet! Pure Power 13M 850W

安静点！Pure Power 13M 850W

>Meshify 3

>网格化3

>>109423158

Install steamOS when it gets nvidia driver support

等SteamOS支持Nvidia驱动后再装它

>>109423177

>>109423177

>>109423177

>>109423177

>>109423143

>Final Fantasy XVI (commercially failed, technical mess, a PS5 exclusive that was intended to be a cross generation title)

>最终幻想16（商业失败，技术上也是一团糟，本来是跨世代作品却成了PS5独占）

>Unfinished PoE 2

>未完成的PoE 2

This isn't a compelling list of games you think it is.

你觉得这些游戏列表很吸引人，其实并不。

It's on the game studios to set up consistently reproducible steps that prove the display driver developers needs to tweak their app.

游戏工作室有责任提供可复现的步骤，好让显示驱动开发者知道要调整他们的程序。

Square Enix is technically incompetent, and it took GGG nearly two years to set up a compelling debugging process (that was only reproduced in very specific PC hardware configurations).

Square Enix技术上确实不行，而GGG花了近两年时间才建立一个像样的调试流程（而且只在特定PC硬件配置下能复现）。

RX 7000 cards are still causes crashes on Helldivers btw, and only those cards.

顺便说，RX 7000系列卡在《地狱潜者》里还是会崩溃，而且只有这些卡会。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785539336681877.png

>>109422844

there being less people in india or africa isn't going to make housing near my relatives any less expensive, it's not going to make the highways less crowded, nor it going to bring back the birds that were common in my childhood but are scarce now. also sure, indians are much less taxing on the environment, if every human used as little fuel and electricity and ate as little meat as the average indian currently does then the world would be prettier.

印度或非洲人少点也不会让我亲戚附近的房子更便宜，不会让高速公路不那么堵，也不会让小时候常见但现在稀少的鸟回来。另外，确实，如果每个人都像现在的普通印度人一样用那么少的燃料和电、吃那么少的肉，世界会更美好。

>>109423284

Nvidia Driver Issues

英伟达驱动问题