https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-unveils-radeon-rx-9050-with-1024-cores-and-8gb-4gb-memory-options
What great times we live in
我们活在多么美好的时代啊
华擎发布了一款显存仅 4GB 的 AMD 显卡
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-unveils-radeon-rx-9050-with-1024-cores-and-8gb-4gb-memory-options
What great times we live in
我们活在多么美好的时代啊
>>109399798
yay my rx 550 is relevant again
耶，我的 RX 550 又派上用场了
waste of sand, unironically
纯粹浪费沙子，说真的
>>109399798
let me guess, its more than the $200 mrsp of the 10 year old rx 470, which had 4gb
让我猜猜，这价格肯定超过那款十年前的 RX 470 的 200 刀建议零售价吧，人家当初也是 4GB 显存
Good sign the AI bubble is popping
人工智能泡沫破裂的好迹象
>8gb in today's day and age
>如今这年头竟然还有 8GB 显存
>there's also a 4gb that won't be able to play anything made in the last 11 years
>还有个 4GB 的版本，连过去 11 年做的任何游戏都跑不动 ⟖ 穷鬼们又拖我们后腿了……
the poors are holding us back yet again...
穷人们又一次在拖我们后腿……
>>109400129
It's a fucking entry level garbage card anyway.
反正这也就是张垃圾级的入门卡。
The GPU is more likely to hold it back than the VRAM.
瓶颈更多在 GPU 核心而不是显存。
>>109399798
...why not get a cpu with decent igpu at this point?
……到了这一步，为什么不直接买个大核显的 CPU 呢？
Still rocking my rx 570 8GB, AI can go fuck itself
我还在用我的 RX 570 8GB，人工智能可以去死吧
>>109400280
That has pretty much been the case with "entry level" GPUs for a long time.
“入门级”显卡长期以来都是这样。
Even with using system RAM, the iGPUs beat the crappiest of them.
即使是用系统内存，核显的表现也比这些最差劲的独显要好。
>>109399798
Recession indicator edition
经济衰退指标特别篇
>>109399798
I mean I'm playing the new grim dawn expansion on 1440P with ultrasettings and it's 2.1 GB of vram so I mean that's not that bad actually you just gotta play Older games
我是说，我在 1440P 分辨率下用超高画质玩新的《Grim Dawn》扩展包，显存占用才 2.1GB，所以其实没多糟，你只需要玩老游戏就行
>>109400347
>lower specs is fine just play older games
>低配没事，玩老游戏呗
While there are still plenty of older games, it is a poor excuse for paying more for less.
虽然现在老游戏还有很多，但这花钱买低配的理由实在太蹩脚。
>>109400280
I don't think an igpu is better. Don't get me wrong they're incredibly powerful now, I used to play l4d2 at 720p60 for a few months and it was fine, but even a shitty (at the time) 2015 gpu is miles ahead.
我觉得核显并不更好。别误会，它们现在确实强得离谱，我以前用 720p60 帧玩《求生之路2》几个月都没问题，但哪怕是 2015 年的一款垃圾显卡也比它强出好几个档次。
>>109400589
Rather than get an ewaste 4gb vram gpu it's honestly better to stick to an igpu for a while after putting your build together until you can afford an actual gpu, it's just a waste of money to get something like this because even if it outperforms your igpu you're going to want to replace it sooner than later
与其买张带 4GB 显存的电子垃圾独显，说实话，在攒机之后暂时用核显过渡一下是更好的选择，等到你买得起真正的好显卡再说。买这种卡纯属浪费钱，因为即使它比你现在的核显强，你也迟早得换掉它。
>>109400597
Oh you meant it that way, sorry. Then yeah I completely agree. But for OP wouldn't it be better to get a cpu without igpu? To get the absolute most compute per watt per dollar? I imagine the difference must not be very significative.
哦，你是那个意思，抱歉。那我完全同意。但对于楼主来说，买不带核显的 CPU 会不会更好？为了追求极致的每瓦特每美元的算力？我想差别应该不大吧。
>>109399798
4gb vram just like my gtx 980 12 years ago
4GB 显存，就像我 12 年前的 GTX 980 一样
>>109399798
You don't need more. Anything above 1080p is slop anyways. Anything above 60Hz is probably fake gens unless it's 20 yo cybersport multiplayer game.
你不需要更多。超过 1080p 的都是垃圾。超过 60Hz 的大概除非是那种 20 年前的网游，否则基本都是假的。
>>109400321
Not true. Although both are binned garbage, you cannot compete with descrete GPU cards, they are decades ahead of mobile and integrated nonsense.
不对。虽然两者都是分拣出来的垃圾货，但你没法跟独立显卡竞争，它们比移动端和集成显卡那些玩意儿领先了几十年。
Unless you say you don't need more and either play with 30fps like people did for decades before samsung and lg started shilling 240Hz blurry nonsense. Or you just don't do gayming at all. Then it makes sense AND beats integrated trash.
除非你说你不需要更高配置，然后像三星和 LG 开始吹捧 240Hz 模糊画面之前人们那样，接受 30fps。或者你干脆根本不玩游戏。那还说得通，而且比集成显卡的垃圾要强。
>>109400280
Because they're not only worse, they also cost more.
因为它们不仅更烂，还更贵。
>>109399798
I'd take if it goes below 180$
降到180刀以下我就入手
>>109400597
It's for kids who'll have their parents buy them a "gaming computer" to play f2p unrealslop or trans indie games.
这给那些让父母买“游戏电脑”来玩免费玩（f2p）的虚幻引擎屎作或独立游戏的小孩准备的。
>>109400156
>>109399798
>I just want a new basic GPU to jerk off to anime on my coding machine
>我只是想给编程主机加张基础新显卡，顺便对着动漫自慰
>here you go only $275
>给你，只要275刀
>>109400761
It won't.
不会的。
An iGPU+16GB of ram will beat this trash.
核显+16GB内存都能吊打这坨垃圾。
>>109399798
>64bit 144GB/s
>64位 144GB/s
wtf
>>109400993
Not likely, unless you're talking about something like the Z2 Extreme or Strix Halo. Or BC-250.
不太可能，除非你指的是Z2 Extreme或Strix Halo这种。或者是BC-250。
>>109400280
>zen6 removes igpu for muh AI
>Zen6为了AI取消了核显
>>109401023
AMD is due for new generation of iGPUs soon
AMD很快就要出新一代核显了
>9060 XT 16GB
>>109401046
From what I heard they're scrapping iGPUs entirely and making them into NPUs. For muh copilot AI.
据我所知，他们打算完全取消核显，把它们改成NPU。为了那所谓的Copilot AI。
>>109401073
this
>>109399798
still way better than the rx 6400 shitfest they launched
依然比他们发布的RX 6400那坨屎好得多
or are they skipping the encoders here too lmao
或者他们连编码器也省了？笑死
>>109399798
If it has 65W TDP, it would be a good buy.
如果TDP是65W，那还算值得买。
>>109399798
I just ordered a decade old low end card with 4GB of RAM to use on the host while I pass my beefy GPU to a VM.
我刚买了一张十年前的低端卡，带4GB内存，打算宿主机上用，把我那强力GPU直通给虚拟机用。
>>109401075
That seems kinda retarded
这有点蠢吧
igpus are useful for troubleshooting and shit
核显在故障排查等事情上很有用
I've never seen NPUs used for anything useful
我从来没见过NPU有什么实际用途
>>109401190
>I've never seen NPUs used for anything useful
>我从来没见过NPU有什么实际用途
My Orange Pi has 6. I intend to use it to run a small LLM while freeing my CPU to other tasks
我的Orange Pi有6核，我打算用它跑个小LLM，把CPU解放出来干别的
>>109401207
Run a small LLM for what? The tiny 3B parameter models you can run on these SBC NPUs are absolutely useless.
跑小LLM干啥？这些单板机NPU能跑的极小3B参数模型完全没用。
>>109399798
You VVILL pay $889 and you VVILL be happy with what you're getting goy
你VVILL（一定会）花889刀，你VVILL（一定会）对你得到的东西感到满意，伙计
>>109401236
It’s to help copilot and other AI apps installed on your PC
这是为了帮助Copilot和其他安装在PC上的AI应用
>>109401245
>8GB DDR4
People were making poverty builds with double this amount a decade ago.
十年前人们用这个金额的一半就能组装出穷鬼机。
>>109401245
I think 8GB of ram is worse then 4GB of vram
我觉得8GB内存比4GB显存更差
>>109399798
They are doing this because the rest of the 90 series is having a 20% price increase
他们这么做是因为90系列其他产品要涨价20%
>>109401257
How? You mean use it like with VSCode's BYOM feature? That shit is a complete waste of time and power with any model below 27B parameters, and even then it's not worth it. You get nothing out of it.
>9050 - 难民
>>109401236
>Run a small LLM for what?
>9060 - 租房客
Small tasks like summaries, some fun daily newsletter for a Telegram group I'm part of with online friends where response can be lazy. It works nicely. The problem is the setup, which if proves to be too much of a hassle, I'll use DeepSeek V4 since it's fairly cheap.
>9060xt - 有未结清房贷的房主
>>109401257 is not me.
>9060xt 16gb - 房主
NPUs are an alternative to data centers. If every PC has one that OpenAI doesn’t need to make data centers because they can leverage your NPU
这是NVIDIA那帮子的梗，匿名侠
>>109401283
It doesn't matter to me because my thirdie country is charging that extra 20% anyway, RAM crisis or not.
反正我那个第三世界国家不管有没有内存危机都要加收那20%。
>>109399798
I hope this gets revealed to actually be 3.5GB just to close the circle kek
希望最后揭露它其实只有3.5GB显存，好让这笑话圆满闭环，笑
>>109401491
now you're getting an another 20% on top of that extra 20%
现在你还要在那额外的20%之上再被加收20%
>>109399798
>OEM systems
>OEM系统
Holy retard
真是蠢爆了
That's cool, I'll take it for 60$
那挺酷，60刀我就收下
>>109401073
>9050 - hobo
>9050 - 难民
>9060 - renter
>9060 - 租房客
>9060xt - house owner with outstanding mortgage
>9060xt - 有未结清房贷的房主
>9060xt 16gb - house owner
>9060xt 16gb - 房主
>>109401512
That's a nvidia thing anon
这是NVIDIA那帮子的梗，匿名侠
there are quality indie games making my 4080 use 120 watts (at max settings) what is a card like this even for, base skyrim SE medium settings?
现在有些质量不错的独立游戏，把我的4080负载压到才120瓦（最高画质），这种级别的显卡到底拿来干嘛？玩基版《上古卷轴5：特别版》中画质吗？
>>109401678
It really is a mighty little card. Incredible performance-to-cost ratio. Astounding 1080p performance.
这卡确实是小强一枚。性价比无敌，1080p性能简直令人发指。
>>109400589
Did they update l4d2? I remember playing it on an entry level AMD system from like 2012. I used the iGPU and was playing it at 1366x768. I can't remember the framerate I was getting but it must have been close to 60
《求生之路2》更新过吗？我记得我大概在2012年用入门级AMD平台玩过，用的是核显，分辨率1366x768。 framerate忘了，但感觉应该接近60帧。
>it's been almost 4 years
>都过去快4年了
>I still own the 5th fastest consumer GPU
>我还握着性能第5的消费级显卡
>5th only on a technicality because the super refresh being a mind blowing 3% faster
>只是因为Super版刷新版快了那令人震惊的3%，才勉强算第5
>as I predicted when I bought it
>正如我买它时预测的那样
>ff to 2026
>they're releasing shit like this
>他们居然还在出这种垃圾
>thought I'd be looking at my GPU getting knocked out of the top 10 by now
>我还以为我的显卡早就跌出前十了
>don't even have 50 series supers yet
>连50系列Super版都还没出
>thought the nvidia 60 series would be 4-6 months away by now
>我还以为按现在的节奏，NVIDIA 60系列早就该出来了（预计4-6个月前）
>60 series is reportedly not expected until late 2027, possibly 2028
>据说60系列要等到2027年底甚至2028年才出
Do I thank scam altman for making GPUs from 2022 look like they're going to be good for a decade minimum?
我该感谢那个骗子Altman吗？是他让2022年的显卡看起来至少还能再战十年？
>>109399798
why is the industry even wasting time with 4GB?
这行业到底为什么要浪费时间在4GB显存上？
something is very wrong here, if they have that extreme of an oversupply of GPU die who stopped buying? even if this were old GDDR5, it doesn't make any sense that they wouldn't make 8GB the baseline
事情肯定不对劲，如果GPU芯片真有那么严重的过剩，是谁不买？哪怕这是老款的GDDR5，不把8GB作为基线也太不合逻辑了。
>>109399798
Oh boy, another poverty tier shit card with mid-level prices, how exciting.
哦吼，又是一张定价中端、性能却处于底层的垃圾卡，太激动人心了。
I wish they would just re-release the RX 6600 with but with x16 lanes, it would make a lot more sense than this. But that would actually have a usecase that is not selling shit prebuilts and fooling consumers.
我真希望他们能重新发布一款RX 6600，但带有x16通道，这比现在的方案合理多了。但这玩意儿实际上有个用途：不是卖那些骗小白的组装机。
>>109402094
It's for people who don't know anything about GPU specs, buying at a lower price point thinking they got a good deal because they bought a card of the same generation as a more capable one. It borders a scam.
这专给那些不懂显卡参数的人准备的，买个低价位以为自己占了便宜，因为买了和更高级显卡同代的产品。这简直擦边诈骗。
>>109402022
This is what I was getting too, on linux with vulkan it's very playable.
我也正想说这个，在Linux上用Vulkan玩非常流畅。
>>109402094
It's for OEM, so just the usual scam they run to get naive parents buying their first gaming PC to timmy
这是给OEM用的，也就是那种骗懵懂家长给蒂米买第一台游戏机的常规诈骗套路。
>>109399798
what’s the price and power draw?
价格和功耗多少？
you might be able to run a voice model or an embedding model on it but even then you can pick up a used 1060 6gb and accomplish that and have more vram
你也许能在这上面跑个语音模型或嵌入模型，但即便如此，你花点钱收个二手1060 6G就能搞定，而且显存还更多。
>>109402148
1080tis are going for $200-300 on ebay, 11GB is actually useful not 6, plus the core count and bandwidth.
二手1080Ti在eBay上卖200-300刀，11GB才是真正有用的，不像6GB那么鸡肋，而且核心数量和带宽也更强。
>>109399798
What's the point of using this instead of an APU?
用这个跟用APU比，意义何在？
>>109402130
yeah but this was on a4 5300 (or something like that, I just remember it being a4) apu. A modern igpu would eat it alive
是啊，但那是在A4 5300（大概是这样，我只记得是A4系列）这种APU上。现代核显会把它打得满地找牙。
>>109401417
I wouldn't trust those small local models for summaries or anything that isn't purely fun and games. They hallucinate like crazy.
别太信任那些小型本地模型，除了纯粹娱乐，做摘要或其他正经事它们会疯狂胡编乱造。
>>109401473
NPUs are useless without the memory to back them up, in which case you may as well use a GPU with dedicated GDDR* or HBM* memory instead of DDR*.
没有足够内存支持的NPU就是废物，这种情况下，不如直接用配备专用GDDR*或HBM*显存的GPU，而不是用DDR*。
There's a reason why AMD's IPUs (before they rebranded them to NPUs) are dead silicon on almost every CPU.
这就是为什么AMD的IPU（重命名为NPU之前）几乎成了每款CPU上的死硅。
>>109399798
Usecase for more VRAM?
需要更多显存的用例有哪些？
12 years later and 8GB GPUs are still mainstream.
12年过去了，8GB显存的显卡仍然是主流。
>>109402851
Blender.
Just bought a 200€ b580 for my first PC. Seems like intel is the real budget king rn while amd starts to act like nvidia without any benefits.
刚花200欧买了张B580作为我第一台PC的显卡。看来Intel现在是真正的预算之王，而AMD开始装出Nvidia的架势却毫无优势。
Probably the last time period to get a gpu before everything will go to shit. Hope 12gb vram can carry me for a while.
这可能是入手显卡前的最后一个窗口期了，之后 everything will go to shit（一切都会完蛋）。希望12GB显存能撑我一阵子。
Reminder that the rx 480 a proper mid level card with 8gb of vram cost around $200 in 2016
提醒大家，2016年时一款带8GB显存的真正中端卡RX 480大概卖200美元
>>109402158
Performs better.
性能更好。
Only specialized gaming/AI APUs like 780M, Z2E and Strix Halo are any good, but those are rare and sometimes very expensive. The APU in 9800X3D is total dogshit for example.
只有像780M、Z2E和Strix Halo这样的专业游戏/AI APU还不错，但那些很少见且有时非常贵。比如9800X3D里的APU简直是一坨屎。
>>109403323
you can buy a used rx 580 8gb for like 60-80€ right now
你现在60-80欧就能买到二手的RX 580 8GB
yes its old but nobody will keep a shit card like that for a long time anyway, and linux driver support is surprisingly still decent
是的，它很老，但反正也没人会留着这种烂卡太久，而且Linux驱动支持居然还不错
For what purpose? Even the low end ARC cards like the A380 had 6GB.
为了什么用途？哪怕是低端ARC卡比如A380都有6GB。
>>109400280
A modern iGPU can't best a 970M, anon. iGPUs have taken over the xx10 and xx30 markets that have always been the "run two monitors and do some media decoding" tiers, but not anything higher.
现代的集成显卡没法打赢970M，匿名者。集成显卡已经接手了xx10和xx30市场，这些市场一直都是“接两个显示器和一些媒体解码”的级别，但高于这个级别就不行了。
>>109403391
Shit choice. That doesn't even support Vulkan 1.4. The 6500XT can be had for similar price and that does. It also has the same performance. It's still shit though. You really shouldn't be buying outdated GPUs that don't support the current vulkan version. Vulkan 3 requires 1.4. It just makes no sense to pay a lot of money for that. Maybe 20-30 bucks, but no more.
糟糕的选择。这甚至不支持Vulkan 1.4。6500XT可以用类似的价格买到，而且支持。它的性能也一样。不过它还是一坨屎。你真的不应该买不支持当前Vulkan版本的过时显卡。Vulkan 3需要1.4。花大价钱买这个完全没道理。也许值20-30块，但不能再多了。
>>109403391
I see them locally going for 20-40 bucks. I wouldn't pay 60 for one, that's blower vega territory
我看到本地市场上它们卖20-40美元。我不会花60买一张，那是涡轮版Vega的价位
Those low spec OEM cards have been a thing for years. Their purpose is to take advantage of people buying pre-builts who don't know any better. 4gb vram is cutting it close even for Minecraft, though.
这些低规格OEM卡存在多年了。它们的目的就是利用那些买预制整机却什么都不懂的人。不过即使是Minecraft，4GB显存也显得很吃力了。
>>109399798
>>109400321
All AMD cards are entry level lel
所有AMD卡都是入门级，哈哈
>>109400109
two weeks
两周后
>>109401825
>doesn't use 1440p
>不用1440p分辨率
>>109400280
I fucking fired up helldivers 2 but didn’t realize I had my monitor plugged into my motherboard and was using my 265k’s (tuned) igpu. I was getting 90 fps at 1440p with ultra high settings enabled. I was amazed.
我他妈启动了《绝地潜兵2》，但没意识到我的显示器插在主板上，用的是我265k（超频）的集成显卡。我在1440p下超高画质居然有90帧。我震惊了。
>>109403611
My monitor is actually 2K, but I enjoy doing other stuff while gaming, so 1080p allows me to swap windows easily.
我的显示器实际上是2K，但我喜欢在玩游戏时做点别的事，所以1080p让我能轻松切换窗口。
>>109400096
Oh yeah, it's 260
哦对，是260
>>109403448
1.4 seems to be supported on my loonix shitbox
1.4似乎在我的linux垃圾电脑上支持
>>109401276
You don't think at all.
你根本没过脑子。
>>109403659
Maybe it's not supported on Windows then. Can you actually run Vulkan 3? I know that card can't run it on Windows.
那可能在Windows上不支持吧？你真的能运行Vulkan 3吗？我知道那张卡在Windows上跑不了。
>>109403659
He doesn't even know about the power of open source. Has much to learn that one.
他根本不知道开源的力量。这人还有很多要学的。
https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products/vulkan
I don't like how we're regressing in memory capacity. We are literally going backwards now.
我不喜欢我们的显存容量在倒退。我们现在简直是在开倒车。
>>109401034
this was my first thought as well
这也是我的第一反应
>>109403616
idk if you knew this, but you actually don't need to plug your monitor into your graphics card to use the dedicated GPU. I can have games on my monitor which is connected to the iGPU on my AMD CPU while actually rendering it on a 9060 XT.
不知道你是否知道，其实你不需要把显示器插到独立显卡上才能用独显。我可以在连接到AMD CPU集成显卡的显示器上玩游戏，而实际上渲染是在9060 XT上进行的。
>>109403680
By Vulkan 3 I mean DXVK3, sorry.
我说Vulkan 3是指DXVK3，抱歉。
>>109403680
Just remembered DXVK started requiring Vulkan 1.4 and that luckily still works
刚想起来 DXVK 开始要求 Vulkan 1.4 了，好在还能用
>>109403788
Yeah that's a Windows problem then. I know someone with that exact card who is unable to run a game on DXVK3 but can on DXVK2.
那这就是 Windows 的问题了。我认识一个拥有这张卡的人，他在 DXVK3 上跑不了某个游戏，但在 DXVK2 上却可以。
>>109402158
its about 2x better than the best intel pantherlake, 3x better than the other handheld igpu's, about equal to a AI max 385, which are all extremely expensive.
它的性能大约是 Intel Panther Lake 最好的那款的 2 倍，比其他掌机集显强 3 倍，跟 AI Max 385 差不多，而这些卡都贵得离谱。
but it doesn't matter because it's going to be a $200 card that is going to cost $300, because the 5050 is $300.
但反正也没关系，因为这卡标价 200 美元，实际售价得 300 美元，毕竟 5050 就要 300 美元。
You can instead pay ~50% more, which is $450, for 2x the vram and +50% more fps.
你倒不如多花 ~50% 的钱，也就是 450 美元，换来 2 倍的显存和 +50% 的帧数。
If it was actually $200, we can safely say this kills the 3050 6gb and the re-release of the 3060 12gb. Because the problem with the 30 series cards is that they can't run DLSS 4.5 properly because they don't have enough AI cores, but the 9050 xt has the same number of matrix cores as the 9060 XT, so I assume FSR 4 will run without an fps / quality hit.
如果它真的只要 200 美元，我们可以放心地说它直接干翻 3050 6GB 和重新发售的 3060 12GB。因为 30 系显卡的问题是跑不好 DLSS 4.5，因为它们没有足够的 AI 核心，但 9050 XT 拥有的矩阵核心数量和 9060 XT 一样，所以我推测 FSR 4 不会造成帧数/画质损失。
But we know that's not going to happen, they don't have enough vram, for every gb of vram that goes into a gaming GPU, they lose $1k that could have been put into an AI gpu (AI gpu's use HBM, but it uses a similar machine for printing it, but it takes tsmc 1-2 years lead time to switch to make more HBM instead of gddr chips).
但我们知道那不可能发生，他们没有足够的显存，因为每往游戏显卡里塞 1GB 显存，他们就损失 1000 美元，这些钱本来可以投入 AI 显卡（AI 显卡用的是 HBM，但生产 HBM 的设备和生产 GDDR 芯片的类似，只是台积电切换生产线去多造 HBM 而不是 GDDR 芯片需要 1-2 年的提前期）。
>>109403639
>adhd retard NEEDS to swap between programs every other second
>ADHD 智障 NEEDS 每两秒钟就切换一次程序
>>109403926
Boo hoo nigga, other people use computers differently from you.
哭唧唧黑鬼，别人用电脑的方式和你不一样。
>>109403926
I never said every other second. That's your own projection filling the blanks lol
我从没说过每两秒钟。那是你自己脑补填满空白好吧
Or maybe a severe lack of interpretation skills.
或者可能是严重缺乏解读能力。
>>109403952
>adhd autist doesn't understand the use of hyperbole to prove a point
>ADHD 自闭症不懂用夸张手法来证明观点
Have a second computer or multi-monitor setup if you're that insistent on having a trillion things (metaphorical number, since you clearly need that pointed out) open at once you constantly shuffle between.
如果你非要同时开着无数（这是个比喻，因为你显然需要有人指出来）东西并且不断切换，那就再买台电脑或多显示器 setup 呗。
>>109403963
Again, schizo babbling. Anon, reality isn't the carnival on your head.
又是精神分裂胡言乱语。Anon，现实不是你脑子里的马戏团。
>>109403963
I don't always have my 3 screens on, and sometimes not even 2, but there are situations where it's nice to have the display area and not need side-by-side, or constant switching.
我不总是开着 3 块屏幕，有时甚至不开 2 块，但有些情况下，拥有更大的显示区域而无需并排或频繁切换是很舒服的。
workspace on middle, documentation on one side, testing or search or some light brainkeeping distraction on the other, or multiple combinations of side-by-side windows for referencing.
中间放工作区，一边放文档，另一边放测试、搜索或者一点轻量级的脑力 distracting 活动，或者多窗口并排供参考。
it's nice to be able to have your workflow all displayed at once as you move through things
在操作过程中能一次性看到整个工作流是很 nice 的
>>109403544
That's not true. They have mid-range cards like the 9070 XT that can easily trade blows with the 5070 / 5070 TI.
不是这样的。他们有中端卡比如 9070 XT，可以轻松和 5070 / 5070 TI 互掰手腕。
What they lack is any sort of high-end GPU. AMD has no answer to the 5080 or 5090.
他们缺少的是任何高端 GPU。AMD 没有能对抗 5080 或 5090 的产品。
>>109399798
ehehehehe "AssRock", ehehehehehe
嘿嘿嘿“华硕（ASRock）”，嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿
>>109403963
>having a meltie over another anon's setup
>在一个 Anon 的 setup 上发疯
kek
>goyim complaining about stagnant memory capacity
>Goyim 抱怨显存容量停滞不前
>memory capacity no longer stagnant
>显存容量不再停滞不前
>>109400379
Agreed i was playing devils advocate. This is shit lile u said
同意，我在故意唱反调。这确实像你说的那么烂
>>109399798
time to sell my RX 580 for $200
是时候以 200 美元卖掉我的 RX 580 了
>>109399798
>xx50
>double slot
>双槽
>taller than full height cooler
>比全高散热器还高
>dual 80mm fan
>双80mm风扇
What an abomination low cost cards have become. Moore's law is dead.
这些廉价显卡简直成了耻辱。摩尔定律已经死了。
>>109400347
>play older games
>玩老游戏
Then why bother with a new card? Old cards are cheaper and more powerful.
那还要买新卡干嘛？旧卡更便宜且性能更强。
>>109401138
>65W TDP
With that cooler? Not likely.
用那个散热器？不太可能。
>>109404493
nah, used GPU prices for 1080p GPU's have dropped.
算了，用于1080p的二手GPU价格已经跌了。
turns out that 6-8gb of gddr6 is only 50$ worth of the GPU, gddr7 is what increased by 2-4x in price.
事实证明，6-8GB的GDDR6显存只占显卡成本的50美元，涨价2-4倍的是GDDR7。
>>109402851
Some games simply refuse to start with less than 8GB now.
有些游戏现在根本拒绝在显存不足8GB的情况下启动。
>>109404574
My 9060 XT has a 3 slot cooler and requires a sag brace. I don't think you can necessarily determine the TDP based on how overkill the cooler is.
我的9060 XT是3槽散热器，还需要显卡防弯支架。我不认为能仅凭散热器“过于豪华”就断定TDP很高。
>>109404632
Why include the cooler then? Is it just to make it look more power hungry?
那为什么要配这个散热器？只是为了让它看起来更耗电吗？
>>109404671
It's quieter. I have an ASUS 3060 Ti with a cheap cooler that's adequately sized for it and it's deafeningly loud.
这样更安静。我有个华硕3060 Ti，配的便宜散热器大小刚好合适，但噪音大得震耳欲聋。
>>109399798
As someone with a 4GB GPU(3050 Ti laptop) no modern game can run on this thing, unless you're okay with 720p 30 fps
作为一个用4GB显存GPU（3050 Ti笔记本版）的人，现在几乎没有游戏能在这卡上运行，除非你能接受720p 30帧
Get something with AT LEAST 8GB of VRAM in you're in the market
如果你正打算买显卡，请务必选择至少8GB显存的型号
>>109404684
Older cards with the same power draw never seemed to have this issue. My 750 ti has a pair of 40mm fans on a half height cooler and it runs quiet. Same for the r7 250x I used before it.
功耗相同的旧卡似乎从未有过这个问题。我的750 Ti在半高散热器上配了两个40mm风扇，运行很安静。之前的R7 250X也是这样。
Sounds more like a poorly designed cooler than an undersized one.
这听起来更像是散热器设计糟糕，而不是尺寸过小。
>>109404561
you forgot it's 90+ watts
你忘了它功耗是90多瓦
>>109405021
What power pin does it use?
它用的是什么供电接口？
>>109405056
>the AMD Radeon RX 9050 4 GB draws power from 1x 8-pin power connector, with power draw rated at 92 W maximum
>AMD Radeon RX 9050 4GB 通过1个8针供电接口取电，最大功耗标称为92W
>>109405083
>8 pin
>8针
fucking hell, isn't that overkill? Wouldn't a 4-pin be enough for the extra 17 watts?
真他妈离谱，这不是杀鸡用牛刀吗？多出来的17瓦用4针接口不够吗？
>>109405122
probably but it's cheaper for them since they have loads of 8pins from ordering for other cards and it might confuse newb builders buying it if the connector isn't what they saw in their LTT build guide...
大概率是的，但这对他们来说更便宜，因为他们从其他显卡的订单中积累了大量8针接口线缆。如果接口和他们看过的LTT装机教程里不一样，可能会让新手指迷……
>>109405122
4 pin pcie is not standard, that would be an unstandard molex connector.
4针PCIe不是标准规格，那将是非标的大4D（Molex）接口。
every power supply has at least a 6+2 pcie
每个电源都至少有一个6+2针PCIe接口
>>109404609
yeah turns out I shouldve sold my 1070ti when they were still going for $300, now I look at ebay prices and think
是啊，看来我当时真该在1070 Ti还卖300美元的时候卖掉它，现在看着eBay的价格心里在想
>well at least I have a decent backup card for 1080p, 2020 and older games
>好歹我还有一张不错的备用卡，能应付1080p，以及2020年及之前的老游戏
>>109405139
>4 pin pcie is not standard, that would be an unstandard molex connector.
>4针PCIe不是标准规格，那将是非标的大4D（Molex）接口。
>every power supply has at least a 6+2 pcie
>每个电源都至少有一个6+2针PCIe接口
I remember it being on basically every PSU 10 years ago, and literally just being half an 8pin or 2/3 of a 6 pin. Meanwhile I haven't seen a molex connector on anything made after 2014.
我记得10年前的电源上几乎都有这个接口，简直就是半个8针或2/3个6针。 meanwhile，我2014年以后做的东西里就没见过大4D接口。
>>109405166
cpu power connectors can be/are/include 4 pins if my memory recalls but it just isn't the standard for a gpu connector
我记得CPU供电接口可以是/确实是包含4针的，但这只是不适合作为GPU接口的标准
gpu board makers wont have supplies of them or design standards for it, it's just easier to use a 6 or 8 in mass production
GPU板卡制造商不会有这种接口的库存或设计规范，大规模生产时使用6针或8针更容易
i agree the choice of 8 pin is strange overkill
我同意选8针接口显得很奇怪，属于过度设计
>>109404987
TDP isn't power draw, the new cards draw way more power. The GTX 980 takes less power than a 3060 Ti and it's not even close. The GTX 980 is 220W card, 3060 Ti is 200W, TDP wise.
TDP不等于实际功耗，新卡的功耗高得多。GTX 980的功耗比3060 Ti低得多，根本没法比。GTX 980是220W的卡，3060 Ti是200W，这是指TDP。
>>109399798
>4gb
enough to run roblox on max setting
开最高画质也能跑 Roblox
>>109405561
>TDP isn't power draw,
>TDP 不是功耗，
Its supposed to be. Seems to me that its not that TDP isn't power draw, but that they're lying about how much power their cards draw.
按理说是这样。在我看来，与其说 TDP 不是功耗，不如说他们在骗人，说他们显卡的功耗根本不对。
>>109401245
>$889
Jesus, isn't this some kind of scheme? Like overprice the shit the govt buys so we can have 500% markup kind of scheme, what the fuck
天哪，这不会是什么套路吧？就像政府采购时故意抬高价格，让我们能赚 500% 差价的那种套路，到底他妈的怎么回事
>>109399798
we're going back to the 2000s.
我们这是要回到 2000 年代了吗。
>>109401190
the biggest retardation is that not having an igpu forces you to use a dgpu.....that has better LLM performance than the shitty npu
最搞笑的就是，没有核显就逼着你用独显……而独显跑 LLM 的性能比那坨屎一样的 NPU 好多了
>>109403608
more like 2 more days the way ndq is plunging
照 ndq 暴跌的势头，再等两天吧
>>109405561
nVidia is known for wildly misrepresenting power envelopes when it doesn't fit their narrative.
英伟达因为不符合他们的叙事，一向以严重扭曲功耗包络线而闻名。
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