I don't have the OP edition
我没有OP限量版
/mkg/ 机械键盘综合讨论
anyone tried PBS profile? I would get another MT3 kit if drop didn't go extinct and MTNU is just too expensive so I was thinking about PBS. since it's designed by matto, I know it's going to be really spherical but it's not sculpted
有人试过PBS键帽吗？如果Drop没倒闭，我就再入一套MT3套件了，但MTNU实在太贵，所以我正在考虑PBS。既然是matto设计的，我知道它的球面弧度会很大，但不是弧形设计。
>>109399042
>>109399046
White goes better with the silver case imo.
白色我觉得跟银色外壳更搭。
>>109399360
Thank you finally someone agrees with me
谢天谢地，终于有人认同我了
Topre gang, Topre gang, Topre gang (Topre gang)
Topre帮，Topre帮，Topre帮（Topre帮）
Spend three racks on a new chain (Yeah)
花三千大元买条新链（耶）
My bitch love do cocaine, ooh (Ooh)
我的小妞爱吸可卡因，哦哦（哦哦）
I fuck a bitch, I forgot her name (Brr, yeah)
我操了小妞，忘了她叫啥（哔，耶）
I can't buy a bitch no wedding ring (Ooh)
老子没钱买结婚戒指（Ooh）
Rather go and buy Balmains (Brr)
不如去买 Balmain（Brr）
Ordered one of those beamspring reproduction boards since he has a fire sale on the first edition ones
我订了一块那种 BeamSpring 复刻板，因为他把初版搞特价清仓了
I feel like a retard buying it knowing full well everyone says it's super fragile and modules like to break and the owner is a dick when you have issues and I'm gonna get really unlucky and get a defective board
我知道大家都在说这东西超脆、模块容易坏、卖家有脾气，我觉得自己买个有缺陷的板子简直是个蠢货，肯定会运气差到爆。
But I had to at least try it
但我至少得试试
what's the material that lenovo preferred pro keycaps are made out of?
Lenovo Preferred Pro 键帽是什么材质的？
>>109399610
I got a Model F from him, and it's 1000% worth it.
我从他那买了个 Model F，绝对值回票价。
>>109401043
>hi-pro caps
>Hi-Pro 键帽
Neat
>>109399042
If those are the options, then black. But you have a lot of other options with silver
如果只有这些选项，那就选黑色。不过银色也有很多其他选择
>order a phenom
>下单买个 Phenom
>tracking number still doesn't work after three weeks
>三周了追踪号还是没用
>send them an email
>给他们发邮件
>bounces
Oh come on, I don't wanna chargeback, I really wanted the keyboard
拜托，我不想发起拒付，我是真想要那个键盘
I've seen posts on reddit claiming to own a phenom, so it's not like the entire website is a scam (that or it's an elaborate one), I hope they didn't get droned or something
我在 Reddit 上看到有人晒自己买了 Phenom，所以这网站不像是在骗人（或者这是个精心设计的骗局），希望他们没被无人机干掉之类的
Anyone have wireless numpads they can recommend? I was looking at TH33 but I'm not sure about the switch with the arrow placement.
有人能推荐无线小键盘吗？我在看 TH33，但不确定那个键位布局怎么样。
>>109399658
I was tempted to get the solenoid but I don't really like how it works on the repros. The solenoid doesn't bang against anything it's in a shitty 3d printed enclosure and honestly I just don't really need it when the switches are loud enough xd
我差点就想买电磁铁了，但我真的不喜欢复刻版上那套玩法。电磁铁根本碰不到什么东西，只是在一个烂得要死的 3D 打印外壳里晃悠，说实话，既然轴体本身已经很吵了，我也不需要它 xd
>>109403218
Zouya GMK26 from Ali Express
来自 AliExpress 的 Zouya GMK26
Baby Kangaroo V2s on modifiers/Enter/backspace and Akko Creamy Yellow U1s on everything else feels pretty comfy.
修饰键/回车/退格用 Baby Kangaroo V2，其他用 Akko Creamy Yellow U1，手感相当舒适。
>>109401043
Where did you get your deskmat?
你的桌垫哪买的？
The color is very nice
颜色很好看
>>109407995
i wish i snagged more mt3 sets when I had the chance
真希望我当时有机会多收几套MT3
I can see why people want more side space for the mouse but what's exactly the point of 60% and smaller keyboards?
能理解为什么有人想要给鼠标留更多侧边空间，但60%和更小的键盘到底有什么意义？
>>109406211
a tier under keychron
比Keychron低一个档次
>>109408094
>smaller
The ergonomic principle that the less you move your fingers, the better it is, and that it's always more comfortable to just press two easy-to-reach keys at once than to stretch your pinky way out or bend your wrist to reach some far away symbol or modifier. Once you learn to use layers, it's pretty easy to go really small.
人体工学原理是手指移动越少越好，而且同时按两个容易够到的键，总比把小指伸得老远或扭手腕去够某个遥远的符号或修饰键要舒服得多。一旦学会了使用图层（layers），把键盘做得非常小其实很容易。
>60%
Specifically 60% is probably the most retarded layout possible IMO, because it hides crucial shit behind layers (like arrow keys) so you already need to learn an autistic setup, but it's still relatively huge and you have to move your fingers and wrists all over the place if you're using all the keys. It's the worst of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea why it's popular, other than that it seems to have become the default "small" layout for some reason so lots of people are making them and for some reason lots of people are buying them, presumably just grabbing the popular thing for a "niche cool small keyboard" without putting in much thought.
具体来说，我觉得60%可能是最傻逼的布局了，因为它把关键功能（比如方向键）藏在了图层后面，所以你先得搞懂一套像自闭症一样的设置，但它本身还是相对很大。如果你要用到所有按键，手指和手腕还是得到处乱动。就我而言，这是集两家之弊。我不知道它为啥这么火，大概是莫名其妙成了默认的“小型”布局，所以很多人都在做，很多人也在买，大概只是冲着“小众酷炫小键盘”的名头买下来，根本没怎么深思。
65% is a much better layout for a small-but-not-too-autistic keyboard, and if you're going smaller then at least 40% is good and you probably want a more ergo column-staggered layout too if you're going through the effort of getting an autistic keyboard anyway.
65%布局对于那种“小但不那么像自闭症患者用的”键盘来说要好得多；如果要更小，至少40%不错，而且如果你都费劲搞一套“自闭症专用”键盘了，可能还需要更偏向人体工学的柱状排列（column-staggered）。
>>109408607
What about royal kludge
那Royal Kludge（RK）怎么样？
>still no wireless 65XT (double left column)
>65XT（双左列布局）还是没有无线版本
tell me about the 8bitdo
说说8BitDo（八位堂）吧
I want the n64 one
我想要那个N64造型的
>>109409439
scroll 8 posts up
往上翻8条帖子
>>109399658
The SSK is basically my endgame, but I still refuse to buy anything without PS/2
SSK基本上就是我的终极归宿了，但我还是拒绝买任何不支持PS/2接口的键盘
>>109409579
>The SSK is basically my endgame
>SSK基本上就是我的终极归宿
I had one in 2015 and sold it later that year for 200 bucks. I wonder what they go for today
我2015年有过一把，后来那年把它以200刀卖了。真好奇现在它值多少钱
Those of you that have cherry blacks with lighter springs, can you still rest your fingers on the keys? I have the stock springs and they are nice and all but my wrists are starting to get pissed at me after years of typing
那些用弹簧较轻的樱桃黑轴的朋友，你们还能把手指 resting（轻放）在键帽上吗？我用的是原厂弹簧，虽然感觉不错，但敲了这么多年键，手腕开始抗议了
I think i have to change the springs
我觉得我得换弹簧了
>>109409579
>>109410166
oh you were talking about reproductions lol
哦，你是在说复刻版啊 lol
i work as a developer and write code 12hrs+ everyday, I need a keyboard that is amazing and silent, I was thinking of getting a hhkb keyboard, can anyone recommend a model?
我是做开发的，每天写代码12小时以上，我需要一把既棒又安静的键盘，我在考虑入手HHKB，有人能推荐型号吗？
Neon green toxic keyboard 70% or 68%
霓虹绿毒系键盘 70% 或 68% 配列
budget: any list all of them.
预算：不限，全部列出来。
>>109409579
There's work to implement PS/2 on both the xwhatsit and Leyden Jar controllers. The latter would work as an add-on board hooked up the same way as the solenoid, so one way or the other.
xwhatsit 和 Leyden Jar 控制器都有工作在实现 PS/2 支持。后者可以作为附加板卡，以与线圈相同的方式连接，所以不管哪种方式都行。
btw, why PS/2? It doesn't have much going for it with modern systems where the whole interrupt thing is basically gone now.
顺便问一下，为啥是PS/2？在现代系统上它没什么优势，毕竟整个中断机制现在基本上已经没了。
>>109408094
Normies are terrified by buttons and want there to be as few of them as possible
普通人被按钮吓坏了，希望按钮越少越好
I need a wired numpad that's similar to this with the same amount of macro buttons with via/qmk or whatever. I don't need the volume knob. Does any anon know if such a thing exists? All of the ones I find are wireless.
我需要一个有线数字键盘，跟这个差不多，带同样数量的宏按键，支持via/qmk或者类似的。我不需要音量旋钮。有哪个匿名老哥知道这种东西存在吗？我找到的全是无线的。
I thought this beamspring would have shipped by now as they were found in the warehouse somewhere or something but it did say he's actually going to QC all of these himself before they go out
我以为这个beamspring货已经从仓库里找到了什么的，应该现在已经发货了，但确实说了他在发货前会亲自QC所有这些键盘。
>>109399046
This one.
就这个。
>>109414296
>>109404895
Leave it plugged in.
让它插着电别拔。
Zeal clickies are back up on pre-order, in case anyone was waiting out for 'em.
Zeal青轴又开放预购了，要是有人一直在等的话。
>>109398300
Its crazy Ive got two mechanical keyboards, ones a keychron that i bought brand new and another a mojo84 or whatever its called, and the both ended up behaving the same way, glitching out and having battery issues. The keychron I managed to fix but the mojo84 is done I think, no matter what I do I cant get it to charge.
太疯狂了，我有两块机械键盘，一块是keychron全新买的，另一块是mojo84还是叫啥的，结果俩都出同样的问题，乱跳和电池毛病。keychron我修好了，但mojo84估计是废了，不管我做啥都没法充电。
Does anyone here actually type above 50wpm or are you all just larping?
这里真有人打字超过50wpm吗，还是全在吹牛？
>>109418149
nothing crazy like the big dicks doing 200wpm but im okay i guess.
不像那些大佬能打200wpm那么夸张，但我感觉还凑合吧。
>>109418174
Top 7 percent is impressive all things considered.
综合考虑的话，前7%已经很厉害了。
what 75-80% budget keyboard do you guys recommend?
你们推荐啥75-80%的预算键盘？
>>109418149
I do 100+
been using a 40% for 5+ years
用40%键盘5年多了
come shitpost on my thread on /v/
来我/v/的帖子灌水吧
Finally, all done. Replacement and extras have arrived, so the Control keys are now Control keys, the F18 key is how it should be, filled out the left hand extras, and got those side printed Print Screen/PauseBreak keys as well as the Green Alt keys. The colors on those don't match, one is dyed harder than the other, so worth keeping in mind if you're planning on getting those.
终于全搞定了。替换件和额外件都到了，所以Control键现在是Control键了，F18键也正常了，补齐了左手边的额外键，还拿到了侧印的Print Screen/PauseBreak键和绿色Alt键。那些键的颜色不太匹配，一个染得比另一个深，所以如果你打算买这些的话得注意点。
Also got one of those in my order, just a single beam spring module. I grabbed one of those cheapo chinkshit PBT keycaps I had and added a piece of cardboard under the tape so that it operates properly. A little expensive fidget toy to give me an idea of what's so special about the beam spring, but there's no way I'll be getting that any time soon. It's such an interesting mechanism as well when you're trying to operate it without anything underneath it and seeing what's going on.
我订单里也收到一个这玩意儿，就一个弹簧梁模块。我拿了套便宜垃圾PBT键帽，还在胶带底下垫了块纸板让它能正常工作。算是个有点贵的解压玩具，能让我大概感受下弹簧梁有啥特别的，但短期内我肯定搞不起这玩意。而且你把它拆开来，没东西垫着去操作它的时候，看到底下的机制也挺有意思的。
>>109418149
Most people who say they type at 120+ are talking about english 500 all lowercase no punctuation 15 seconds burst tests. With practice I’m convinced anyone can get above 70wpm sustained with english 5k+punctuation, even grandma. If you think you can’t it’s because you don’t have proper touch typing muscle memory, not because you’re too slow.
大多数说自己每分钟打120+字的人，说的是英文500词全小写无标点的15秒爆发测试。多练练，我敢信任何人都能稳定达到每分钟70词以上，用英文5k加标点的材料，连奶奶都行。你要是觉得自己不行，那只是因为你没练好触摸打字的肌肉记忆，不是你手速慢。
would Kailh Box Whites V2 be a lot more noisier than Cherry MX browns?
Kailh Box Whites V2 会不会比 Cherry MX 棕轴吵很多？
>>109423904
yes
nothing is louder than clickies in general. i recommend melodics over box whites tho. the sound is a lot more tolerable
总的来说，没有比青轴更吵的了。不过我推荐 melodics，而不是 box whites。那声音好接受多了。
>>109421234
based boomer board
老派爷叔配置
>>109398300
Should I get Gateron Lanes?
我该买 Gateron Lanes 吗？
I don't know what fucking keyboard to get.
我真不知道该买什么键盘了。
I just want something 80% or more, that has a volume knob and that feels good to use but isn't excessively loud like clicky switches.
我只想要一个 80% 或以上的布局，带音量旋钮，手感好但不是青轴那种过分响的。
And that won't die in 2 years or cost 200 bux
而且不会两年就坏，或者花 200 刀。
>>109424511
>or cost 200 bux
>或者花 200 刀
you picked the wrong hobby
你入错行了
all the good stuff is overpriced GB fleecing
好的东西都是被炒高价的团购割韭菜
>>109398300
Does anyone know where to get good beige SA keycaps? Everything I see online is either sold out or horrendously colored.
有人知道哪里能买到好的米色 SA 键帽吗？我在网上看到的全是卖断货或者配色丑得要命。
>>109424511
>80% or more
>80% 或以上
Your own fault for wanting unc layouts
你自己要选非标准布局的错
Get 65% or smaller and you'll have tons of choice on Aliexpress
选 65% 或更小的，AliExpress 上选择多得很。
>>109408703
The way I see it the 60% pros are that they have less shit to memorize, which is important since AFAIK there's no good way to show other characters layers. And if it has QMK you can move just as little as a smaller keyboard. It'll be bigger for little to no gain, though. I agree 65% is better if you use arrow keys a lot like for gaming.
我觉得 60% 的好处是少记一堆东西，这挺重要，因为据我所知没有好办法显示其他字符层。而且如果它有 QMK，移动距离跟小键盘差不多。不过尺寸大了却几乎没收益。我同意如果你经常用方向键比如打游戏，65% 更好。
>>109418837
define budget
预算定义一下
>>109425922
Up to 50 bucks.
最多 50 刀。
How good are these? I feel like this keyboard is my endgame but $400 for a clickityclackity is a bit much....
这些有多好？我觉得这键盘就是我的终极目标，但花 400 刀买个咔哒咔哒响的有点贵……
>>109425922
around $60
大概 60 刀
>>109426148
People say that ol' joe really did a great job at recreating the beam springs, except there's on-going drama that despite how good they are they have a teenst tiny bit of scratch to them which sends Joe into a defensive frenzy, acting as if that ~4% of scratchiness that people feel is a complete deal breaker. But Joe having an ego trip is like a day ending with a Y.
别人说老乔确实在复刻 beam spring 上干得不错，只是有个持续闹剧，说虽然它们很好但有一丁点涩感，这让乔进入防御性狂怒模式，仿佛那约 4% 的涩感就完全是致命缺陷。不过乔自我膨胀就跟每天都会结束一样正常。
I got a single Round 2 module just to see how it feels and yeah, it has much nicer tactility than a buckling spring. Maybe I'll get a B122 at some point. Maybe. I'll enjoy my F122 for now instead.
我搞了一个 Round 2 模块试试手感，确实，它的段落感比 buckling spring 舒服多了。也许以后会买个 B122。也许吧。现在还是先用我的 F122。
>>109398300
What do you guise think of the G512X98?
你们觉得 G512X98 怎么样？
My brother owns one and it looks nice, but I'm not sure of the missing navigation segment and he's complaining about the lack of keycap options for that layout.
我哥有一把，看起来挺不错的，但我不确定缺少导航区那部分，而且他在抱怨这种配列没什么键帽可选。
>>109410283
How the fuck are you going to order a Ginger Ale with that keyboard?
就这键盘，你他妈打算怎么点一杯姜汁汽水？
>>109428168
>G512 X 98
I would never buy a keyboard that drops Home/End/PgUp/PgDn
我绝对不会买一把把 Home/End/PgUp/PgDn 都砍掉的键盘。
>>109429289
That's what I'm asking about (IBM calls those buttons navigation segment).
我就是想问这个（IBM 管那些按钮叫导航区）。
My brother argues that I don't need those because if I disable num-lock they're right there. I mean he is right, but I feel like it's a hassle to have to look down on my keyboard to do exactly that.
我哥说我不需要那些键，因为只要关掉数字锁，它们就在那儿。我觉得他确实说得对，但感觉还得低头看键盘去干这事，挺麻烦的。
HE is so nice. You don't have to deal with key chatter.
他真好。你不用处理按键连击的问题。
royal kludge, keychron or Akko?
royal kludge、keychron还是Akko？
I was looking at the Akko 5098B, Royal Kludge S98 and keychron v5
我在看Akko 5098B、Royal Kludge S98和keychron v5
>>109433723
all 3 are shit
三个都是垃圾
>>109433761
ITS ALL SHIT ON TOP OF SHIT UNDER SHIT IN SHIT
>>109433723
Keychron, it's the only one that supports qmk/via
Keychron，只有它支持qmk/via
>>109433813
what about
那关于
Epomaker Galaxy 100
Epomaker 银河100
AULA F108 / AULA F108 PRO
Keychron V6 Max
Keychron V6 最大
>full sized
>全尺寸
it's shit
垃圾
>>109410283
eww a knob
呕，带旋钮的
>>109434264
t 60% troon
t 60% 娘炮
>>109434264
I enjoy my terminal layout keeb very much. Full-size ANSI is the baseline, TKL is the acceptable compromise. Though I'm yet to get around using the F13-F24 row to it's fullest.
我很享受我的终端布局键盘。全尺寸ANSI是底线，TKL是能接受的妥协。不过F13到F24那排我还没玩透。
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