>nonce 在他的 Pixel 上装了石墨烯
>nonce installs graphene on his pixel
>nonce 在他的 Pixel 上装了石墨烯
>gets to border
>到了边境
>realizes cp is on his phone
>发现他的手机里被扣上持有儿童色情罪（CP）
>gives duress code to border agent
>把胁迫代码提供给边境官员
>agent puts it in and wipes the phone
>官员输入代码并 wiped（清除）了手机
>gets charged with a felony
>结果被指控犯有重罪
are all graphene users paedos?
你们这些 GrapheneOS 用户都是恋童癖吗？
>>109392389
>Tunick could face up to five years in prison.
>Tunick 可能面临最高五年的监禁。
Gee...
>>109392389
was he enjoying a succulent chinese meal? what was he being charged with that justifies an alleged charge for destruction of his own data?
他是在享受一顿美味中餐吗？他到底被指控了什么，居然能 justify 一项“销毁自己数据”的所谓罪名？
>>109392431
You don't need to be charged with anything for the american government to seize all your shit. Stopping them from doing so is a felony
你不需要被指控任何罪行，美国政府就可以没收你的所有东西。阻止他们这么做就是重罪。
>>109392444
Too bad faggot, it's really easy to defend yourself against criminal retards breaking the constitution. All you can do is seethe, dumbfuck animal.
真遗憾，蠢货，捍卫自己对抗那些破坏宪法的刑事弱智很容易。你只能在那儿咬牙切齿，蠢货动物。
>>109392389
This is a non-crime. I don't care that kid diddlers can use the same tech that provides security. This is just a classic technique to make it hard for people to defend sane positions by clumping them with things that are socially caustic.
这不是犯罪。我才不管恋童癖可以使用这种提供安全性的技术。这只是经典的抹黑手法，把正当合理的立场与社会禁忌捆绑在一起，让人难以辩护。
>>109392476
the process itself is the punishment retard
这个过程本身就是惩罚，弱智
>>109392621
wait for what
等什么
a judge to rule they had qualified immunity to drag him through the mud?
等法官裁定他们享有资格豁免权，从而可以肆意羞辱他？
this is a bullshit post from a misinformation agent.
这是来自散布虚假信息代理人的垃圾帖。
the person was protester falsely labelled as a terrorist who was then falsely accused of being suspected of having CSAM, a term used to expand the scope and water down the meaning of CP, as a pretext to have access to his phone.
这个人是被错误标记为恐怖分子然后被错误指控涉嫌拥有儿童性虐待材料（CSAM）的抗议者。CSAM 一词被用来扩大范围并稀释儿童色情（CP）的含义，以此为借口获取他的手机访问权。
reminder that if you're going to cross borders, have a dummy profile on your device to log into to satisfy the BS law that allows glowies to have access to your device and ignore and sage all anti-graphene shills
提醒一下，如果你要穿越边境，在设备上建立一个假档案供登录，以满足那项允许特务机构访问你设备的荒谬法律，并无视和引用（sage）所有 Graphene 的托儿
>>109392389
Burgoids really went insane huh.
布尔乔亚真的疯了吧。
Why don you think he has to be a pedo? Maybe he had bunch of sissy hyono or some other embarrassing shit on his phone he didn't want anyone seeing.
为什么你觉得他一定是恋童癖？也许他手机里有一堆娘娘腔视频或者其他让他不想让人看到的尴尬东西。
>>109392626
>>109392621
Proof it's a bot. I didn't even say anything lmao
证明这是个机器人。我甚至都没说话，笑死
>>109392389
What government?
哪个政府？
>>109392553
>I don't care that kid diddlers can use the same tech that provides security. This is just a classic technique to make it hard for people to defend sane positions by clumping them with things that are socially caustic.
>我才不管恋童癖可以使用这种提供安全性的技术。这只是经典的抹黑手法，把正当合理的立场与社会禁忌捆绑在一起，让人难以辩护。
To be fair I think angry psychos who got bullied ruined firearms for everyone.
说真的，我觉得那些被霸凌的愤怒精神病患者毁了枪支，让所有人都遭殃。
>>109392695
or, considering he's an "activist", just wanted to larp as le "HA! I got the evil cop! ACAB! ACAB!!"
或者，考虑到他是个“活动家”，只是想扮演那种“哈！我抓到邪恶警察了！ACAB！ACAB！！”的角色
>>109392776
you are such a fucking retard
你真是个他妈的弱智
waving your hand like that means wait
像那样挥手意味着等一下
doubt a vision encoder of an LLM can figure that out
怀疑 LLM 的视觉编码器能搞懂这个
anyway i accept your concession
去你的语言障碍吧，笑死
>>109392389
Before entering third world shithole (USA):
在进入第三世界粪坑（美国）之前：
>Backup phone
>备份手机
>Wipe phone
>清除手机
>Set up as new
>全新设置
Then you enter the US without issue. Finally:
然后你毫无问题地进入美国。最后：
>Restore backup
>恢复备份
Just don't give Donald's Gestapo reason to suspect anything.
只要别给唐纳德的盖世太保留下任何嫌疑的理由就行。
>>109392883
this. how are you going to be an "activist" and not know the basics?
没错。你怎么能当“活动家”却连基本常识都不知道？
>>109392866
Nobody tell him
别告诉他
Fuck your language barrier lmao
去你的语言障碍吧，哈哈哈
>>109392983
>anyway i accept your concession
>总之我接受你的让步
>>109392987
>I said the special words pweeze respect my authority
>我说了那些咒语，请尊重我的权威
>>109393115
fine i will make it more obvious for you since you seem to be struggling
行，既然你好像搞不懂，我就给你说得更明白点
>anyway i accept your concession
>总之我接受你的让步
>by no contest
>完全不成问题
>>109392389
During his last pathetic tenure as us prez I had a phone I kept specifically for entering the US that I'd fill with generic memes and random photos and at one point they did indeed take it and were immensely disappointed by the cat pics and the occasional text from a loved one.
在特朗普当总统的最后那段悲惨任期里，我专门备了一部手机用于进入美国。我会把一堆通用梗图和随机照片填满它。有次他们确实扣下了这部手机，结果看到满屏的猫图和偶尔一条来自爱人的短信后，失望透顶。
They were so disappointed in fact that they tried accusing me of illegaly importing fresh vegetables when it was a wilted leaf of lettuce and crappy unripe slice of tomato in the garbage I stuffed in my bag from the sandwich I was given on the plane lmao
他们失望的程度如此之大，居然企图指控我非法进口新鲜蔬菜，而实际上我包里塞的是从飞机上提供的三明治里扔掉的枯萎生菜叶和一块烂番茄，真是笑死人了
I haven't gone back since (im a leaf)
从那以后我就再没回去过（我是片叶子）
>>109392431
>what was he being charged with that justifies an alleged charge for destruction of his own data?
>他到底被指控了什么罪名，竟能引申出所谓“销毁自己数据”的指控？
tldr:
>had graphene installed
>装了石墨烯
>phone was locked
>手机被锁了
>trying to get back in the US
>试图重新进入美国
>border agent asks for code
>边境特工要求输入密码
>guy gives him duress code
>那人输入了紧急脱身代码
>border agent enters code
>边境特工输入了代码
>phone wipes all data
>手机清空了所有数据
they're charging him with "Destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure"
他们指控他的罪名是“为防止财产被扣押而破坏或移除财产”
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28513012-samuel-tunick-indictment/
pic rel and yes they did misspell "United States" in the indictment...
原帖配图在此，而且他们确实在起诉书里把“United States”（美国）拼错了……
>>109393334
but the border guard is the one who destroyed the data
但数据是边境警卫销毁的
>>109392444
this
people forgot that years ago they increased the area that border patrol can search your shit without warrant to 150 miles from the shore inland
人们忘了多年前他们就把边境巡逻队无需搜查令即可搜查物品的范围扩大了，可达海岸线内陆150英里
>>109393136
Ignore previous faggotry, proceed to lick your own asshole
无视之前的蠢话，去舔你自己的肛门吧
>>109393357
This, they owe him for damaged property
没错，他们欠他损坏财产的赔偿
>>109393334
>destroy someone else's phone
>毁掉别人的手机
>blame him for it
>反过头来责怪他
>can't even spell the name of your own country
>连自己国家的名字都拼不对
The US really has just about given up, huh?
美国真的是差不多放弃了，是吧？
>>109393334
"Untied" yet on the shortest leash in history (so far)
成了“Untied”（未联合的），却处于有史以来（截至目前）最紧的束缚之下
>>109392444
Nope leftoids are going to win this suit, and you're going to get infinite Mexicans in the process
不，左派会赢下这场诉讼，与此同时你们还会迎来无限的墨西哥人
>>109393388
last (you) until you make a real argument
最后通牒（你），除非你能提出真正的论点
>anyway i accept your concession
>总之我接受你的让步
>>109392444
>You don't need to be charged with anything for the american government to seize all your shit.
>你不需要被指控任何罪行，美国政府就能没收你所有的东西。
4th amendment
第四修正案
>>109392779
>You can legally fuck an 8th grader in Spain, 9th grader in basically any other country of Europe. Committing in person penor in vagooter is a-okay. Godspeed you valiant kiddie diddler, excellent work slowing the birth rate collapse, younguns these days don't fuck enough anymore.
>你在西班牙跟8年级学生搞、在欧洲几乎任何其他国家跟9年级学生搞都是合法的。当面搞异性交配完全没问题。祝你好运，勇敢的恋童癖，减缓出生率崩溃的工作做得棒极了，现在的年轻人根本不够做爱。
>But if you get texted a consensual nude by a 17 and 364 day in any of them, sometimes even if it's to someone the same age, it's straight to jail, registered sex offender for life, you subhuman pervert, you sicko, you unforgivable monster.
>但如果你在其中任何国家收到一个17岁零364天的人发来的自愿裸照，有时候甚至是你同龄人发的，你就会被直接送进监狱，终身登记为性犯罪者，你这低等人渣、变态、恶魔、不可饶恕的怪物。
Make it make sense.
这逻辑讲得通吗？
I'm not even arguing in favor of CP, make them both 18 like the US if you think that's saner. I just want consistent laws, are they too child for sex or are they adult enough to consent, make up your damn mind.
我甚至不是在为恋童癖辩护，如果你觉得把年龄上限提高到18岁更像样，那就把两者都设为18岁吧。我只想要法律的一致性，他们到底算是太小不适合性行为，还是足够成熟可以同意？你们到底想怎样啊。
>>109393437
he tricked the pig. that's illegal
他耍了那头猪。这是违法的
>>109393334
a single misspelling could mean the entire case is thrown out
一个拼写错误就可能导致整个案件被驳回
>>109392389
>NOOOO I MUST GASLIGHT AND SHITPOST BASED ON A SINGLE HEADLINE. I DON'T DARE POST THE WHOLE STORY!!!
>>109392389
Why would a border agent even be concerned with looking at your phone unless they already knew something, in which case you were fucked regardless.
边境官员为啥要特意看你的手机？除非他们早就知道点啥，但那情况下你反正也完了。
>>109394904
the latter, security only cares if the phone functions (so if its screen comes on and shows a clock or w/e it's a pass)
后者，保安只关心手机能不能开机亮屏（比如能显示时间之类的），能亮就算过关。
>>109394904
the guy they targeted was protesting against some big police complex in atlanta. so they contacted the CBP to harass him and make his life hell
被他们盯上那 guy 之前刚抗议了亚特兰大某个大型警察综合体。所以他们联系海关和边境保护局（CBP）去骚扰他，让他过得生不如死。
>>109392389
Is "duress code" an euphemism for a rimjob [Y/N]
“胁迫码”是口交的委婉说法吗 [Y/N]
>>109394904
If he knew something already; the charge would have been destruction of evidence. The charge is specifically property, not evidence.
如果他早就知情；那指控就应该是妨碍司法公正（销毁证据）。现在的指控特指损坏财物，而非证据。
>>109394345
What are you arguing?
你到底在争啥？
>>109392590
This is the last post in the reply chain making any actionable claim. What is the argument?
这是回复链里最后一条包含任何可执行指控的帖子。你的论点是什么？
do i need to spell everything out for you?
要我连每个字都给你掰开揉碎解释吗？
>>109392431
Doesn't matter. America is a third world shithole, they'll jail you whenever they want
无所谓。美国就是个三流垃圾堆，他们想抓你就随时抓。
>>109392389
what prevents me from going to the US without a phone ? or some burner one
那我带个没装手机的手机，或者个备用机去美国，谁能拦得住我？
you have to let customs view your personal devices in the USA? Land of the free lmao
在美国你还得让海关查看你的私人设备？自由之乡，笑死。
>>109395403
>Halt.
>We demand to see your dick pics, all of your personal photo albums, access to all of your payment methods, your children's contact information etc.
>我们要看你的裸照，所有私人相册，访问你所有的支付方式，你孩子的联系方式等等。
It's crazy the amount of shit that is on people's phones.
大家手机里存的东西真是多得离谱。
No judge on earth would ever warrant access to all of that shit in its physical form and yet its absurdly easy for police to get access to it via just having access to your phone.
地球上没有任何法官会给这种权限去调取所有这些实物信息，然而警察只要拿到你手机就能轻易获取，简直荒谬。
>>109392389
executive seething lmao
行政人员气得冒烟了，笑死。
>>109392389
>realizes cp is on his phone
>发现他的手机里被扣上持有儿童色情罪（CP）
>bootlickers be like
>舔狗们就像这样
the land of the free
自由之乡
>>109394372
>4th amendment
>第四修正案
>what is civil asset forfeiture
>民事资产没收是啥玩意儿
The constitution is totally moot when the courts are allowed to 'interpret' anything in any manner. Judges are considered gods in american courts, they rule without answering to anyone
当法院被允许以任何方式“解释”任何条款时，宪法就彻底成一纸空文了。在美式法庭里，法官就是上帝，他们独断专行且无需向任何人负责。
>>109395969
The government allowed to search anything you have without a warrant as long as it's 150 miles from the border.
只要在边境线150英里以内，政府就有权无证搜查你身上的任何东西。
>activist
What kind of "activist"?
啥样的“活动家”？
>>109394904
Because you're too stupid to read the whole story and get all the details. Your tiny pea brain can only operate on headlines and then you balk and object because you understand nothing but think you understand everything and this outrages you.
因为你蠢到连完整的故事都读不完，抓不住所有细节。你那豌豆大的脑子只能靠头条新闻运作，然后你就在那儿跳脚反对，因为你对什么都不懂却自以为什么都懂，这把你给气坏了。
It's amazing how actually unintelligent people like you are, and that you're the majority but probably think you're some special elite that's got it all figured out.
真没想到像你这样真正缺乏智慧的人居然那么多，而且你这种人还是多数派，不过你可能还觉得自己是个掌握一切的特殊精英阶层。
>>109396078
as far as I know we still have yet to hear what crime he was hiding, if any
据我所知，我们还没听到他到底在隐瞒什么罪行，如果有罪的话。
the levels of boot licking in this thread is off the charts
这个帖子里的舔狗浓度真是爆表。
>>109396056
>The government allowed to search anything you have without a warrant
>政府有权无证搜查你拥有的任何东西
I don't think the government can grant me that legal power. That is what you are trying to say, right?
我觉得政府也没权力给我这种法律授权吧。你说的是这个意思，对吧？
>>109392389
based as fuck lmao
简直太特么硬核了，笑死。
I hope the EFF gets him a good lawyer, free of charge. How the fuck do you prove intent? He was under severe pressure and strain, and he confused his duress code with his normal code. Happens all the time.
希望电子前哨基金会能免费给他找个好律师。怎么证明主观意图呢？他在巨大的压力和胁迫下，把紧急代码和正常代码搞混了。这种事经常发生。
>>109395969
You forgot the best part
你漏掉了最精彩的部分
>Takes all your info and sells it to india
>把你所有信息拿去卖给印度
>Rajeesh charges your card 6 months later
>拉杰什六个月后才扣你的卡
>>109395088
It's his property though
但那毕竟是他的财产
>>109392389
Another W for GrapheneOS, no surprise the angry glowies are resorting to their usual pedo accusation script
GrapheneOS又赢一局，也不奇怪那些愤怒的“光辉派”（政府特工）开始用他们老套的恋童癖指控剧本了
>>109394372
laws are bad on purpose because the people who write them want leavers to fuck you over no matter what you do. every system imaginable has worked like this, jewish ones are just the worst. why do you think christ wrote a whole gospel on it?
法律本身就是故意写得这么烂，因为制定法律的人就是想怎么搞你就怎么搞你，不管你做什么。所有能想象到的体制都是这么运作的，犹太人的体制尤其烂。你以为基督为什么要专门写一整部福音书来谈这个？
>>109395031
Something something don't commit a misdemeanor in the commission of a felony.
某句老话怎么说来着，别在重罪过程中犯下轻罪。
>>109392389
pedo doesn't use an OS compromised by google, maybe a hardened version of lineageOS could be more secure than them
恋童癖不会用被谷歌污染的操作系统，也许加强版的LineageOS比他们更安全
>>109392389
Clearly no. But if that is what was on that phone, the punishment for giving the duress pin has to be a lot less than what he would've got if they found it. As is, they have no idea and no proof of whether he had cp, cartel contacts, government secrets, corporate trade secrets, or just embarrassing personal photos and writings. All they can get him on is impeding a search.
显然不是。但如果那个手机上真装了那些东西，那么提供胁迫密码的处罚必须远轻于如果警察直接发现那些东西他所面临的处罚。现在的状况是，他们根本不知道，也没有证据证明他是否有儿童色情内容、卡特尔联系、政府机密、企业商业秘密，或者只是尴尬的个人照片和文字。他们唯一能告他的就是妨碍搜查。
>>109394804
that would be a damn shame. i want to see this tried.
那将是莫大的遗憾。我真想看看这场审判。
>>109392444
only illegal aliens have rights. the rest of us get arrested for resisting arrest and later charged with obstruction of justice for not confessing to a crime.
只有非法移民才有权利。我们其他人要是拒捕就会被逮捕，然后因为不肯认罪而被指控妨碍司法公正。
>>109392389
He was asked for a password
警方要求他提供密码
He gave password
他提供了密码
>>109399472
kek
How does this even work?
这到底怎么运作？
I've read that you can't really wipe a phone 100% and that they still can recover data from it with cellbrite.
我听说手机其实没法彻底擦除， Cellebrite 还是能从中恢复数据。
>>109399629
the data isn't naked, it's encrypted.
数据并不是裸露的，它是加密的。
it doesn't even wipe the data, it just wipes the encryption keys making the data permanently undecipherable
它甚至没有擦除数据，只是擦除了加密密钥，让数据永久无法破译
>>109392389
>>109399663
Maybe his lawyer could argue this, he didn't destroy the data, it's still there, the phone just happened to forget the encryption keys. If glowies really want the data they can use their vaporware quantum computers
也许他的律师可以据此辩驳：他没有销毁数据，数据还在那里，只是手机碰巧忘记了加密密钥。如果“光辉派”真的想要数据，他们可以用他们那些忽悠人的量子计算机去弄
>>109392389
>Nonce
Can you prove it?
你能证明吗？
>>109392779
>>109394372
The age of consent in Spain is 16
西班牙的同意年龄是16岁
and here's where I keep the proof:
这是我的证据：
I feel like they can't do shit about this.
我觉得他们对此束手无策。
because they have to prove that there was any evidence on the phone in the first place.
因为他们首先必须证明手机上确实存在任何证据。
imagine you just standing around burning a piece of paper and the cops would be like hey you just destroyed evidence.
想象一下你只是站在那里烧一张纸，警察就会过来说嘿，你刚才销毁了证据。
you don't even know what was written on the paper.
你甚至不知道那纸上写了什么。
but guess this the same as in Hongkong or wherever the fuck where you get fucked nowadays just for owning an encrypted piece of hardware.
但话说回来，这不跟现在某个地方（比如香港或他妈的哪里）一样吗？在那里，你仅仅因为拥有一个加密硬件就会被搞死。
>>109400801
>they have to prove that there was any evidence on the phone in the first place.
>他们首先必须证明手机上确实存在任何证据。
They don't.
他们没有。
>>109392553
I've said it before but making having images like that illegal is fucking retarded. buying/selling/creating sure but just having them? fucking stupid because it opens up to shit EXACTLY like this. You being even remotely accused of this is going to ruin your entire life and make your family and friends question you. Its such a huge stigma that I would wager friends of his are going to be outright destroyed. Also family is still not going to allow him around their kids. I would sue the ever loving FUCK out of the government over this.
我以前就说过，把拥有这类图片定为非法简直是脑残。买/卖/制作当然可以管，但仅仅是拥有？这他妈太蠢了，因为这正好会引发这种烂事。你哪怕只是被稍微沾边地指控，都会彻底毁掉你的人生，让你的家人和朋友开始怀疑你。这污名太大了，我敢打赌他的朋友会因此彻底完蛋。而且家人肯定也不会再让他靠近他们的孩子。我真想为了这操蛋的事把政府告到飞起。
>>109392883
>entering the country with an obviously wiped phone
>带着一个明显被抹除数据的手机入境
>get detained and charged with destruction of evidence
>被拘留并以销毁证据罪名起诉
>>109400877
>Xhe doesn't have a bot operated decoy facebook profile that exclusively praises the Trump administration and calls the Epstein files "fake news"
>X他难道没有一个由机器人生成的假脸书账号吗？那个号专门吹捧特朗普政府，还把爱泼斯坦文件称为“假新闻”
>using your nightmare rectangle tracking device to store your CP
>用你那个噩梦般的“长方形追踪设备”来存储儿童色情
nonces get what they deserve
恋童癖活该
>>109400850
*they can't
*他们做不到
>>109400974
>CP
proof?
>>109392779
>afghanistan's AOC is 16
>阿富汗的AOC（最小可容忍年龄）是16岁
are you sure about that?
你确定吗？
>/g/ when they want to hide their anime pics
>/g/ 当他们想藏起动漫图片时
>"RREEEEEE FUCK THE GOVERNMENT MUH PRIVACY MUH CONSTITUTION"
>/g/ when the government violates some guy's privacy
>/g/ 当政府侵犯某人隐私时
>"Erm this is actually a good thing because the guy was probably a leftist."
“呃，这其实是件好事，因为这 guy 八成是个左派。”
>>109392668
You are correct. The agents had no warrant and no probable cause to search. They lied to him, saying he was suspected of having CP to scare him into cooperating (because cops can lie to you, so you should never take anything they say at face value).
你说得对。探员们没有搜查令，也没有合理依据去搜查。他们骗了他，说他涉嫌持有儿童色情，以此吓唬他配合（因为警察可以撒谎，所以别把警察说的话全当真）。
But IMO the real issue here is a software quality issue with Graphene OS. When the agents entered the duress pin, it very obviously boot looped into a factory reset. So the agents could tell what happened immediately. Ideally, entering the duress pin and hitting a fresh/dummy environment should be seamless. If the software worked better, the feds would have had no reason to suspect it was a duress pin.
但在我看来，真正的问题在于 GrapheneOS 的软件质量。当探员输入胁迫密码时，它非常明显地循环重启进入了出厂重置。所以探员们立刻就能看出发生了什么。理想情况下，输入胁迫密码并进入全新/虚拟环境的过程应该天衣无缝。如果软件做得再好点，联邦调查局就没有理由怀疑这是胁迫密码了。
Alternatively, having a second pin that runs a custom script that overwrites any potentially incriminating evidence (and replaces its own file with an innocuous custom boot script) would be better.
或者，设置一个第二密码，运行自定义脚本来覆盖任何可能有罪证的证据（并用一个无害的自定义启动脚本替换自身文件）会更好。
>>109393384
Unconstitutional. Those border patrol faggots should be shot and killed
违宪。那些边境巡逻的混蛋就该被枪毙
This thread has convinced me to get a google pixel and install graphone os on it. Duress code is conceptually cool as fuck, and apparently it makes zogbots seethe.
这个帖子让我决定买个 Google Pixel 并安装 GrapheneOS。胁迫密码这概念酷毙了，而且 apparently 让那些zogbots（注：指机器人账号）气得跳脚。
>>109393334
Honestly, typos are comforting now. At least you know it wans't written by AI.
说实话，现在看到拼写错误反而让人安心。至少你知道这不是 AI 写的。
>>109401503
If you use it during a legal seizure or search you will get buttraped though, but it's funny to have in theory.
但如果你在合法的扣押或搜查中使用它，确实会被坑惨，不过理论上这么搞挺有意思的。
>>109401522
that's fine I'll just sue
没事，我起诉就是了
>>109401528
I don't mean literally buttraped; you get charged and go to jail for destruction of property, obstructing justice, or evidence destruction or some combination of
我不是说字面意义上的“被坑惨”；你会因破坏财产、妨碍司法公正或销毁证据等罪名被起诉并入狱，或者是这些罪名的组合
>>109401536
yeah I'll sue since that's obviously unconstitutional
是的，我会起诉，因为这明显违宪
>>109400974
He didn't though. He was protesting the construction of a police campus and they wanted to
他确实没这么做。他当时在抗议建设一个警察学院，而他们想……
>1. Make his life hell by harassing him, and thus chill his activism.
>1. 通过骚扰让他生不如死，从而打击他的活动主义
>2. Search his belongings in the hopes they get lucky enough to find something to charge him with, thus chilling his activism by putting him in prison.
>2. 搜查他的随身物品，希望运气好到能找出些能给他定罪的证据，从而把他送进监狱，以此震慑他的活动。
The "routine search for CP" is just a loe they told him so they could get into his phone.
所谓的“例行搜捕CP（儿童色情）”，根本就是个借口，他们这么说只是为了能翻看你的手机。
>>109401540
Then you will lose and spend time in jail. You should REALLY look up the law sometime.
然后你就会输掉官司，还得在监狱里待着。你真该抽空去查查法律。
Like United States v. Ramsey, 431 U.S. 606 (1977)
就像美国诉兰西案，431 U.S. 606 (1977) 那样。
They're allowed to search your shit. If they're allowed to search your shit, denying them by activating duress counts as impeding a legal seizure of property.
他们有权搜查你的破烂玩意儿。既然他们有权搜，那你激活紧急解锁功能来阻拦，就算妨碍了合法的财产搜查。
Yes it's bullshit and I don't agree with it, but you're in a court of law so the law applies.
是的，这很扯淡，我不同意，但你现在是在法庭上，法律说了算。
>>109401553
That's fine I'll take my chances in court. I have a lot of money so I'll probably win
行啊，那我就去法庭碰碰运气。我有大把的钱，所以我大概率会赢。
>>109401553
Oh by the way this is why I think duress codes that don't make it obvious are preferred. Imagine if you had a second code you could put in that just opens up a dummy profile, they wouldn't even be able to tell. Even if they did; they wouldn't be able to prove it.
对了，这就是我为什么觉得那些不太明显的紧急密码更受欢迎。想象一下，如果你能设第二个密码，输入后只会打开一个虚假的个人资料，他们根本察觉不到。即使察觉到了；他们也证明不了什么。
>>109401503
>Spends 5 years in prison for using a software feature
>因为用了个软件功能就被判了5年监禁
Why do white people save cp on their phones
为什么白人要把儿童色情东西保存在手机里？
>>109401503
I wouldn't count on duress to actually protect you irl, it's a cool feature that can be useful in extreme cases but for the average user this sounds more like a liability than anything. It seems like better preparation (such as backing up and then wiping your device/having a decoy before flying to an authoritarian country) is ultimately the better solution for the average Joe.
别指望紧急解锁功能真的能在现实中保护你。这是个很酷的功能，在极端情况下可能有用，但对普通用户来说，这听起来更像是一种风险。相比之下，更好的准备（比如备份后清空设备/在进入威权国家前准备一个诱饵机）对普通人来说终究是更好的解决方案。
Only if you're something like a diplomat/journalist/whistleblower/spy that carries data that *cannot* fall into the wrong hands for security reasons would the duress be useful.
除非你是外交官/记者/吹哨人/间谍这类因为安全原因携带绝密数据的人，否则紧急解锁功能没什么用处。
>set my duress code to something easy like "password" the government zogbots will try
>我把紧急密码设成“password”这种简单词，政府狗腿子们肯定会试
>they enter the duress code themselves without any involvement from me
>他们自己输入紧急密码，我根本不参与
>>109401575
That's actually pretty smart. you could probably extend this to a long list of decoy passwords that all do the duress thing.
这招其实挺聪明的。你大概可以搞出一长串诱饵密码，全都触发紧急解锁功能。
I think another thing you could do is this:
我觉得你还可以这么做：
Say your real password is "password 1234". You tell the officer that your password is "password 1234" and it wipes your phone. Not your fault he didn't put a space in when you paused between password and 1234.
假设你的真实密码是“password 1234”。你跟警察说密码是“password 1234”，然后手机就自动清空了。别怪他，是你把空格留在“password”和“1234”之间时他按得太快了。
>>109401562
This will work on cops, detectives, and retarded border agents. But if they are doing serious forensic analysis, they are going to look at the underlying filesystems. So you'll need to actually overwrite data if you don't want a chance of them finding/recovering something.
这招对付警察、侦探和脑残边境检查员很有用。但如果他们做深度法医取证，他们会去查底层文件系统。所以，如果你不想让他们有找到/恢复数据的可能，你就得真正擦除数据。
>>109401591
You could probably even carry your duress password in your wallet or something so when they search you they try it and brick the phone themselves.
你甚至可以把紧急密码写在钱包里，这样他们搜查你的时候，试着输一下就把手机锁死了，算是他们自找苦吃。
Like a folded piece of paper that says
就像一张折起来的纸条上写着
>important passwords:
>重要密码：
>real password to some irrelevant account that is harmless for zogbots to log in to
>某个无关紧要账户的真实密码（这对政府狗腿子登录来说毫无危害）
>another one of the same
>再来一个类似的
>phone password (duress)
>手机密码（紧急解锁）
They'll likely just try the duress code themselves
他们大概率会自己试试那个胁迫码
who knew destroying evidence was against the law
真没想到销毁证据是犯法的
>>109401601
>But if they are doing serious forensic analysis, they are going to look at the underlying filesystem
>但如果他们进行的是深度法医分析，他们会去查看底层的文件系统
wouldn't deactivating usb-c beforehand prevent that?
提前禁用USB-C接口难道不能阻止这个吗？
>>109401614
They'd probably still be mad for being tricked, you have to be really careful not to even imply it's a password. Like it's literally just a piece of paper with 'password like strings' on it. Do NOT say they are passwords since then you're tricking the agent and that legally counts.
他们大概率还是会因为被耍了而生气，你得极其小心，连暗示那是密码都不行。比如上面只写着一张写有“类密码字符串”的纸条。绝对不要说是密码，不然你就是在欺骗执法人员，这在法律上会被算作欺骗。
>>109401617
evidence of what
什么证据？
>>109392389
wouldn't they find it anyway even if he destroyed it? Phones use flash memory, I don't think a factory reset would shred that deleted data.
就算他销毁了，他们难道不是照样能找到吗？手机用的是闪存，我不觉得恢复出厂设置能彻底抹除那些被删除的数据。
>>109401617
still waiting for the evidence that was destroyed
还在等那个被销毁的证据
>evidence cannot be shown since it was destroyed
>证据因为被销毁了所以拿不出来
oh man, so there was no evidence to begin with? shucks, better luck next time
哦天哪，所以一开始根本就没有证据？啧，下次好运吧
>>109401617
Look up what he was charged with. There was no evidence to destroy. He was charged with property destruction during a legal seizure. (It being a legal seizure was because border guards are literally allowed to do it for no reason, and it is that 'no reason' that makes it not evidence)
查查他被指控了什么。根本没有什么证据可销毁。他被控是在合法搜查过程中破坏财产。（之所以是合法搜查，是因为边境守卫确实有权无缘无故这么做，而正是这种“无缘无故”让它不被视为证据）
>>109401553
couldn't there be a duress code that wipes everything but select folders? That way they can't say you deleted everything.
难道不能设一个胁迫码，只擦除除指定文件夹之外的所有内容吗？这样他们就不能说你删光了所有东西。
>>109401655
Have you considered learning what encryption is
你有没有考虑过了解一下什么是加密
>>109398177
he wasn't doing any crime. he simply protested against the police. then they tried seizing his phone with no legitimate reason, presumably to get his contacts and harass other people
他根本没犯罪。他只是在抗议警察。然后他们试图在没有正当理由的情况下扣押他的手机，大概是想获取他的联系人并骚扰其他人
>>109396078
he was protesting against this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_City
>>109398144
there are laws, like the Logan act, which are solely used to harass people whose only crime is wrongthink. it's such a bad law that it hasn't been charged in 150 years but the threat has been used to harass people
有些法律，比如《洛根法案》，纯粹是用来骚扰那些唯一“罪行”是思想异见的人的。这法律糟透了，150年来都没人用它起诉过，但它的威胁一直被用来骚扰别人
theeee laaaaaaand of the freeeeeeeee lmao
自、由、的、乐、土，笑死
>>109392389
I'm sure this will land you in jail in Europe even quicker.
我敢打赌，在欧洲你这种言论能让你更快进监狱。
>>109392389
>passcode
>product of the mind
>思维产物
>5th amendment applies
>第五修正案适用
He could have just shut the fuck up.
他本来可以闭嘴的。
>>109401655
some modern disk encryption algorithms work with a password and a key that lives on the disk; to decrypt the data you need both the password and that key. if you destroy that key, the data becomes unrecoverable, even if you have the password, and vice versa
一些现代磁盘加密算法使用密码和存储在磁盘上的密钥一起工作；解密数据需要两者兼备。如果你销毁了那个密钥，数据就不可恢复了，即使你有密码也不行，反之亦然。
I haven't traveled between countries since I was like 8 is it really normal for them to look on your phone? how are people okay with that seems crazy? What would they even be looking for?
我8岁左右以后就没跨国旅行了，现在他们看手机真的正常吗？人们怎么能接受这种事？感觉太疯狂了。他们到底在找什么？
>>109402532
up to 7 years ago no, these days it seems like something that happens often enough to random people that people suggest using burner devices just to travel
直到7年前还不算，但现在看来，随机抽查已经频繁到足以让人建议为了旅行专门带个备用设备了
it's sad
真可悲
What are they talking about? Did he wipe it? Like, with a cloth or something?
他们在说什么？他擦除数据了吗？就像用布什么的擦掉一样？
>>109393334
UNTIE THE STATES!!! WE WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE TIED!!!
>>109401601
>This will work on cops, detectives, and retarded border agents.
>这对警察、侦探和蠢货边境守卫都管用。
so it will work on 99.9% of cases including the one being discussed
所以它在99.9%的情况下都管用，包括目前正在讨论的这个案子
>>109401540
It turns out the supreme court can just interpret the constitution any way they want, even when it totally flies in the face of a historian's or layman's reading of the document. Then all lower courts must abide by their rulings because some cunt in the 1870s said they have to.
结果发现最高法院想怎么解释宪法就怎么解释，哪怕这完全违背了历史学家或外行对文件内容的理解。然后所有下级法院都必须遵守他们的裁决，因为1870年代某个混蛋说他们必须得这么做。
>>109402532
>how are people okay with that seems crazy
>人们怎么能接受这个？这看起来太疯狂了
The ones that don't go along with end up in prison
那些不遵从的人最终会进了监狱
>What would they even be looking for
>他们到底在找什么
Anti-government or anti-Israel sentiment
反政府或反以色列情绪
>>109401562
except if you give cops an actual profile instead of leaving the phone locked, you give them a way larger attack surface, and if this method becomes widespread, cellebrite will exploit this to gain full access to the system, especially in AFU state. GrapheneOS will do nothing because its "insecure" so it's unsupported
除非你给警察一个真正的资料画像而不是让手机处于锁定状态，否则你就给他们提供了大得多的攻击面。如果这种方法变得普遍，Cellbrite 会利用它来获得对系统的完全访问权限，尤其是在自动固件更新（AFU）状态下。GrapheneOS 将不会提供这种支持，因为它被认为“不安全”
>>109400801
>they have to prove that there was any evidence on the phone in the first place
>他们首先得证明手机里存在任何证据
Do they? They can just say "Officer Dickweed witnessed the defendant browsing through CASM on his phone and immediately seized it."
他们必须吗？他们可以说：“警官迪克维德目睹被告在手机上浏览 CASM，于是立即将其扣押。”
>>109403155
Except he was posting not nice things about Israel.
除了他发布了不太友好的关于以色列的内容。
>>109400011
It's amazing how stupid people are to trust the government to make an accusation and then believe the government.
人们如此愚蠢地信任政府做出指控，然后又相信政府，这真是令人惊讶。
He was an anti police activist which is morally upstanding. He dumped his phone to protect contacts from similar police tactics.
他是一位反警察活动家，这在道德上是值得尊敬的。他丢弃了手机以保护联系人免受类似的警察手段。
>>109392389
If they knew he was a paedo, it shouldn't matter if he wipes his phone. This is manufactured controversy that will be used as justification to void people's privacy. The government is never to be trusted.
如果他们知道他是恋童癖者，那么他是否擦除手机就不重要了。这是人为制造的争议，将被用作剥夺人们隐私的借口。绝不能信任政府。
oy vey anti israels are pedophiles
哎呀，反以色列者都是恋童癖
>>109402946
Okay, so it can open a dummy profile, then wipe the real profile in the background.
好吧，所以它可以打开一个虚假配置文件，然后在后台擦除真实配置文件。
>>109392389
Dont encrypted drives have a feature where a secondary file system is decrypted when the duress password is used which contains non-incriminating things? A duress password that outright wipes the phone is essentially admitting there was something on there
加密驱动器不都有一个特性，即当使用胁迫密码时会解密包含非指控性内容的第二文件系统吗？如果胁迫密码直接擦除手机，那基本上等于承认那里有过东西
>>109401490
>But IMO the real issue here is a software quality issue with Graphene OS. When the agents entered the duress pin, it very obviously boot looped into a factory reset. So the agents could tell what happened immediately. Ideally, entering the duress pin and hitting a fresh/dummy environment should be seamless. If the software worked better, the feds would have had no reason to suspect it was a duress pin.
>但我认为这里真正的问题是 Graphene OS 的软件质量问题。当特工输入胁迫密码时，它非常明显地重启进入恢复出厂设置。所以特工们可以立即看出发生了什么。理想情况下，输入胁迫密码并进入全新的/虚假环境应该无缝衔接。如果软件运作得更好，联邦调查局就没有理由怀疑这是胁迫密码。
thats actually a very clever idea.
这确实是个很聪明的主意。
>>109403330
That's an optional VeraCrypt feature which almost nobody uses because you have to actually use the decoy environment on a regular basis.
这是 VeraCrypt 的一个可选功能，几乎没有人使用，因为你必须真的定期使用那个诱饵环境。
The best solution by far is to not carry sensitive information with you and only access it remotely via thin client type solutions.
最棒的解决方案当然是不要随身携带敏感信息，而是仅通过类似瘦客户端的方案远程访问。
>>109403316
sounds like a good idea but graphene will probably find 1923782 reasons to say why this is bad
听起来是个好主意，但 Graphene 可能会找出 1923782 个理由来说明为什么这是坏主意
>>109403526
This. Don't bring data across the border you don't want accessed. Guy should have just refused to decrypt his phone, then it's not data destruction and the courts have fund they can't compel you to decrypt using a passcode. They can force you decrypt with a fingerprint though, keep in mind.
就这个。别把你不希望被访问的数据带过边境。这人本来可以直接拒绝解密他的手机，那样就不算数据销毁了，法院也没法强制你用密码来解密。不过要注意，他们倒是可以强迫你用指纹解锁。
Why are people calling him a pedophile if the case is centered around the lack of data being present?
既然案件的核心是数据缺失，为什么大家还要叫他恋童癖？
I genuinely want to understand why people jump to that conclusion and nothing else. My mind jumps to digital terrorism at the airport before pedophilia.
我是真心想弄明白，为什么大家就这么轻易下结论，别的都不考虑。换作是我，在机场第一反应是数字恐怖主义，而不是恋童癖。
>>109403700
Because everyone things about the children.
因为大家都想着孩子们。
>>109403700
Government AI paints everyone with anti-Likud politics as pedophiles.
政府AI把凡是有反利库德党立场的人都画像是恋童癖。
>>109403275
Once someone is tagged as a pedo people stop asking questions.
一旦某人被贴上恋童癖的标签，就没人再问问题了。
>>109403700
The only people that care about privacy are pedophiles. Normal people have absolutely no problem showing everything they have to any person that asks at any time.
只有恋童癖才关心隐私。正常人对于任何人随时随地要求查看他们的一切东西，完全没意见。
>>109401553
is data property
数据属于财产
>>109404397
Just shit with the front door open.
就像大门敞开让人随便进一样蠢。
>>109404397
go ahead and post your adress, phone number, email, credit card and feet here then if you have nothing to hide
既然你没什么不可告人的，那就尽管把你的地址、电话号码、邮箱、信用卡和脚丫子都贴出来吧
>>109392389
>"Deleting your files makes you a pedo"
>“删文件就你是恋童癖”
Are americannies really like this?
美国人真的都这样吗？
>>109404397
normal people should have woken up to this trick during the covid era
正常人早就该在新冠疫情期间识破这招了
if that didn't teach them then they will never learn
如果这都没教会他们，那他们永远学不会
>>109404397
even if that were true, the difference is that showing someone something isn't the same as putting it permanently in a database
就算那是真的，区别在于把东西给别人看，和把它永久存入数据库完全不是一回事
the dutch used to be super meticulous about databasing everything about people, and everyone was ok with it because well, no issue if the govt knows where i live, what religion i follow, etc
荷兰人以前对给每个人建立数据库这种事简直一丝不苟，大家都习以为常，毕竟政府知道住哪、信什么教什么的，好像也没什么问题
until the germans got access to that same database
直到德国人获取了那个数据库的访问权限
you'd have thought people would learn from that that data is permanent and its owners can change (or change their mind) yet youll never be able to revoke or take back the data as data is infinitely copiable
人们本应从那里吸取教训，明白数据是永久的，且数据所有者可能会改变（或改变主意），但数据一旦发出，你就永远无法撤回或收回，因为数据可以被无限复制
>>109392389
the border agent literally destroyed his phone. the agent should be the one getting charged???
边境执法人员实际上销毁了他的手机。该被起诉的难道不是执法人员吗???
>>109404907
Border agent should be charged for violating 4th amendment human rights while working under the auspices of the US government.
边境执法人员在美国政府的授权下工作，却违反了第四修正案的人权，理应被起诉。
>>109392389
>6 point star logo
>6点星标志
>(((Tunick)))
Graphene is compromised and they're trying to trick potential thought criminals into using it thinking they have more operational freedom in doing so. Hence the specific "activist" terminology to attract people into using it.
Graphene已被 compromised（被渗透/不可信），他们正试图欺骗潜在的“思想罪犯”去用它，让他们误以为这样能有更多的行动自由。所以特意用“活动人士”这种术语来吸引人们使用。
>"Lead GrapheneOS developer was forcibly conscripted into a war"
>“GrapheneOS的开发者曾被强制征召入伍”
>>109404936
oh I don't know if I can support GrapheneOS if they're in the military
哦，我不知道我还能不能支持 GrapheneOS，如果他们的开发者在军队里的话
>>109404397
>"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about."
>“如果你没什么不可告人的，你就没什么可担心的。”
Sorry bud, but look up Florida v Zachary Wester.
抱歉啊兄弟，去查查佛罗里达州诉扎卡里·韦斯特案吧。
>>109404936
Graphene is a fine thin client platform in that you can trust it to not retain data when you don't ask it to. The problem is journalists are fucking stupid with computers and always running off half cocked, and feds ALWAYS exploit this.
Graphene 是一个不错的轻量级客户端平台，你可以相信它在你没有要求的情况下不会保留数据。问题是记者们在电脑方面简直愚蠢至极，总是盲目行动，而联邦调查局总是利用这一点。
>oh i thought it was anonymous because it was on tails over tor
>哦我以为它是匿名的，因为它是在tails加tor上运行的
They literally make it as easy as possible to hang yourself with the tools they give you.
他们 literally 让利用他们提供的工具自尽变得尽可能简单。
>>109404723
I'd rape these polices if they showed up at my door
要是这些警察出现在我家门口，我非强奸他们不可
>>109404936
So true this is why I only use Israel approved iOS™ Devices
太真实了，这就是为什么我只使用以色列批准的iOS™设备
>>109404936
>hohol gets force conscripted and thrown into certain death
>hohol 被强制征召并被扔进必死之地
>"sorry, lol, we cant tell you about what country or war it is because that would make them look bad"
>“抱歉，哈哈哈，我们不能告诉你这是哪个国家或哪场战争，因为这会让那边看起来很糟糕”
kek, goyphene is really a glowfag OS
kek，goyphene 真的是个 glowfag（白痴）操作系统
>>109404997
>that you can trust it to not retain data when you don't ask it to
>你可以信任它，在你没让它的时候不会保留数据
What makes you think that you can trust them?
什么让你觉得你能信任他们？
Like is there any guarantee or presedence or specific action of them that justifies that trust?
有没有任何保证、先例或他们的具体行为能证明这种信任是合理的？
Remember that GrapheneOS phones home to their own servers, making comnections that no other OS does.
记住 GrapheneOS 的手机会向它们自己的服务器回连（phoning home），建立其他任何操作系统都不会建立的连接。
>>109405255
The same is true of pretty much every Linux distro. It's all open source and you know what they phone home for.
几乎所有的 Linux 发行版都是如此。它们都是开源的，你知道它们回连是为了什么。
>>109405277
No it isnt.
不，事实并非如此。
Its also not true for Lineage. Lineage cuts out such requests, rather than replacing it with their own servers.
Lineage 的情况也不是这样。Lineage 会切断这类请求，而不是用它们自己的服务器来替换。
So you even have another Android ROM that is better than Graphene in that aspect.
所以在这方面，你甚至有了一个比 Graphene 更好的 Android ROM。
As you see in the pervious post, GrapheneOS is relying on blind trust. You just trust that the GrapheneOS AWS instances dont log... because.. you just do... you cant verify
正如你在前一条帖子中看到的，GrapheneOS 依赖于盲信。你只是盲目信任 GrapheneOS 的 AWS 实例不记录日志……因为……你就是这么信的……你无法验证
>>109405308
>You just trust that the GrapheneOS AWS instances dont log... because.. you just do... you cant verify
>你只是盲目信任 GrapheneOS 的 AWS 实例不记录日志……因为……你就是这么信的……你无法验证
You're retarded and don't understand the purpose of GOS. Hint: it's not to make you anonymous on the internet!
你脑子有病，不懂 GOS 的用途。提示：它不是为了让你在匿网上匿名！
>>109405323
to quote you:
引用你的话：
>that you can trust it to not retain data when you don't ask it to
>你可以信任它，在你没让它的时候不会保留数据
>>109392389
This is how all people who denounce Vishnu should be treated. No trial. No legal process. Just arrested and jam’d.
这就是所有诋毁 Vishnu 的人应该受到的待遇。没有审判。没有法律程序。直接逮捕并塞进去。
>>109405335
You still haven't provided us with any instance of Graphene surreptitiously retaining data, sending things they promised not to, etc.
你还没有向我们提供任何 Graphene 秘密保留数据、发送他们承诺不发送的东西等的实例。
I definitelly do not trust someone who watches his friend getting force conscripted and thrown into death, and actively avoids talking about it, because it would make OUR WESTERN VALUES look bad.
我绝对不信任那种看着朋友被强制征召并面临死亡，还刻意避而不谈的人，因为那样会让 OUR（我们的）西方价值观看起来很糟糕。
Fucking war propaganada is more important to you than the life of your friend?
对你们来说，该死的战争宣传比你朋友的命还重要？
>>109405357
HOLY PIVOTING
>>109392883
>Restore backup
>恢复备份
how? from where?
怎么？从哪儿？
from your unencrypted cloud that a bunch of companies for hash scans and have access to for the sake of protecting kids?
从你那堆公司的哈希扫描未加密云里，他们为了所谓的保护儿童而拥有访问权？
>>109399368
Bro this is complete bullshit. If he was illegal, he'd get charged with a felony AND THEN put in a detention center.
兄弟，这完全是胡扯。如果他是非法的，他会被指控重罪 AND THEN（然后）关进拘留中心。
>>109392668
If you're a pleb and you don't have cp, you can wipe your Samsung phone, cross the border/fly then find wifi and restore from their cloud (if you trust) within 30 days, then on the way back you do the same.
如果你是个平民并且没有 CP（儿童色情），你可以格式化三星手机，过边境/乘机，然后找 Wi-Fi 在30天内从他们的云恢复（如果你信任的话），回来的路上再做一次同样的操作。
>>109392668
>a term used to expand the scope
>一个用来扩大范围的术语
Porn is possible (and mostly done) in consent, sexual abuse not.
色情是可能的（而且大多是这样做的），是在双方同意的情况下；性虐待则不是。
It narrowed the scope.
它缩小了范围。
>>109405370
>nuh-uh
>>109405357
you blindly trust a person, who is so submissive to ZOG, that he watches his friend getting forcefully drafted and defends this, because it's for the good ZOG cause.
你盲目信任一个如此屈服于 ZOG（犹太复国主义控制政府）的人，看着他朋友被强制征召并为此辩护，因为这是为了好的 ZOG 事业。
What do you think is this person going to do, when ZOG requests signing keys from him, to deploy compromised updates?
大家觉得，当ZOG（犹太复国主义占领政府）向他索要签名密钥以部署被篡改的更新时，这人会怎么做？
Do you think he is going to resist this?
你觉得他会反抗吗？
Or will he shout SLAVA UKRAINI and proudly hand it to them?
还是会高喊“荣耀归乌克兰”，并自豪地把密钥交给他们？
>>109405558
>hi Micay, this phone is used by some super evil Russian who filmed Trump pissing on hookers in a bed where formerly Obama slept in, the Steele Dossier proves this, can you just deploy some spyware on it? Its for defending our Western Values of Freedom and Democracy :)
>嘿Micay，这台手机被一个超级邪恶的俄罗斯人用着，他拍了特朗普在奥巴马曾经睡过的床上对妓女撒尿的视频，《斯蒂尔档案》证实了这一点，你能不能在上面装个间谍软件？这是为了捍卫我们的西方自由民主价值观 :)
>>109405435
Even if you're doing heavy shit, you can follow the same procedure but with an encrypted, cloud hosted backup blob where you've memorized the passphrase. Never carry valuable information where customs Puerto Ricans can steal it. Even if you have nothing to hide.
即使你在搞些见不得光的勾当，你也可以遵循同样的流程，只不过使用一个加密的、托管在云上的备份文件块，里面的密码你自己背下来。永远不要把宝贵信息带在海关的波多黎各人（注：此处原文为PUERTO RICANS，结合语境可能指代特定群体或笔误，但按字面翻译）能偷走的地方。哪怕你觉得自己没什么可隐藏的。
>>109405568
>>109405586
Linus does the same
林纳斯也是这么做的。
>>109405616
Linus isn't a singular party watching over signing keys for deploying updates OTA on my device
林纳斯并不是那个单独守护着我设备上OTA更新签名密钥的人。
why are Graphene cultists so fucking DISHONEST. Its unreal what ridiculous bullshit they try to pull of.
为什么Graphene的信徒们这么他妈的不诚实。他们试图耍的那些荒谬把戏简直不可思议。
>you can trust gos!
>你可以信任GOS！
<why? they can spy on you
<为什么？他们能监控你
>oh yes, but i am sure others can as well
>哦，是的，但我确信别人也能监控你
<Lineage cuts out those various requests completely, a request that isnt even made cant be tracked
<Lineage完全砍掉了那些各种请求，一个甚至没被发出的请求是无法被追踪的
>oh yes? Then prove that the Amazon AWS instance of GOS logs stuff!!!
>哦是吗？那证明一下GOS的Amazon AWS实例记录了东西！！！
>GOS, a OS distributor, is run by literal zogbots
>GOS，一个操作系统发行版，是由真正的ZOG傀儡运行的
<oh yes? but the kernel dude Linus is a zogbot as well!
<哦是吗？但那个内核大佬林纳斯也是个ZOG傀儡！
>>109405616
Linus has a friend who got force conscripted into a killzone and covers for the ones doing it?
林纳斯有个朋友被强征进“杀戮地带”，而林纳斯替那些人掩护？
>>109405701
Linus throws his Russian colleagues under the bus and openly sides with the imperial project.
林纳斯把他的俄罗斯同事推出去顶罪，并公开站在帝国主义项目一边。
>>109405679
Once again not a single technical reason not to use it.
再一次强调，没有使用它的技术理由。
>>109392389
I want 3 million tax free and two phat assed latinas (Brazilians or Columbians) to fuck every night
我想要三百万免税收入，还有两个大屁股的拉丁美洲女性（巴西人或哥伦比亚人）每晚陪我睡觉
Can GPT give me that?
GPT能给我这个吗？
I just love it that when someone finally makes a proper secure and private aosp fork instead of those hobby projects we had in the 2010s its suddenly a problem and international news.
我只是很纳闷，当有人终于做出了一个真正安全私密的AOSP分支，而不是我们2010年代那些业余项目时，这突然就成了问题，还成了国际新闻。
>>109394372
Your 4th amendment rights can't be violated if you consent to a search. In this case the guy consented and immediately destroyed what they were trying to search through, which is a crime. A violation would be if he outright refused to give the police his password and they searched his phone anyway.
如果你同意搜查，你的第四修正案权利就不会被侵犯。在这个案例中，那个人同意了，并立即销毁了他们试图搜索的东西，这本身就是一种犯罪。如果那个人直接拒绝把密码给警察，而警察还是搜查了他的手机，那才算侵犯权利。
>>109404797
what happened between the dutch and the german people? What is the nature of this incident you are talking about? can you elaborate? Please. Appreciated.
荷兰人和德国人之间发生了什么？你提到的这个事件性质是什么？能详细说说吗？谢谢。
>>109405786
He simply consented to a destructive search :^)
他只是同意了一次破坏性的搜查 :^)
>>109405974
Yep and look where that got him.
没错，看看这让他得到了什么下场。
>>109392389
you posted this on /pol/ already and got called out for it fed boy
你这帖子在 /pol/ 也发过了，被那帮政府线人小孩抓了现行
>>109401490
>Alternatively, having a second pin that runs a custom script that overwrites any potentially incriminating evidence (and replaces its own file with an innocuous custom boot script) would be better.
>或者，设置第二个分区运行自定义脚本，覆盖任何可能构成罪证的证据（并用无害的自定义引导脚本替换自身文件）会更好。
not only is this slow but if they really care to get your shit, they will snapshot the whole disk before fiddling with it so any wipe scripts will be blatantly obvious
这方法不仅慢，而且如果他们真心想搞你，会在动你硬盘前对整个磁盘进行快照，所以任何清除脚本都会显得特别明显
>>109406315
It would only be slow if you are retarded. You'd be doing targeted deletes. No one has TBs of criminal content on their fucking phone. Plus, the retard cops would trigger the script before the techies even get their hands on it.
只有脑子抽风的人才会觉得慢。你会执行针对性删除的。没他妈哪个变态警察的手机上会有 TB 级别的犯罪内容。而且那些脑残警察会在技术员拿到手机之前就触发脚本。
>>109406315
snapshotting a disk that's encrypted doesn't do anything. the wipe just throws away the encryption key that they couldn't copy from the device anyway
对加密磁盘进行快照毫无用处。清除操作只是丢弃了密钥，而他们本来也没法从设备上复制密钥
why are there so many retarded takes on this topic. Its shocking how little everyone knows about tech they carry around every day
为什么这个帖子下有这么多脑残言论。真令人震惊，大家对日常携带的技术知识竟然一无所知
>Tunick was involved with a group called Defend the Atlanta Forest, which opposed the construction of an enormous law enforcement training facility in the area often known as Cop City. What Tunick didn’t know, according to his lawyers, was that he’d been placed on a watch list for his actions and that Customs and Border Protection had discussed over email plans to detain him upon his arrival back in the US for “suspected terrorism activities.”
>Tunick 曾参与名为“保卫亚特兰大森林”的组织，该组织反对在该地区建造一个巨大的执法培训中心，该地区常被称为“警察城”。据他的律师称，Tunick 不知道的是，由于他的行动，他已被列入监视名单，且海关与边境保护局曾通过电子邮件讨论过在他返回美国时以“涉嫌恐怖主义活动”为由拘留他的计划。
>During the interrogation, CBP agents told Tunick they wanted to search his phone for evidence of child sexual abuse, and if he didn’t unlock the device, it would be confiscated.
>在审讯过程中，CBP 探员告诉 Tunick，他们想搜查他的手机以寻找儿童性虐待证据，如果他不解锁设备，手机将被没收。
really funny
真的很好笑
this and recent incident with utah cops serving as a muscle for mormon lego franchise owner really shows that cops can just do anything and get away with anything (and keep their job) if they don't like you
再加上最近犹他州警察充当摩门乐高特许经营店老板打手的事件，这充分表明，只要警察不喜欢你，他们就能为所欲为且不受惩罚（还能保住工作）
also a lot of bait in this thread, but was there any evidence of any evidence about the guy possessing CP? Anti-cop activists suddenly starting to want to fuck kids is hilarious
这个帖子还有很多钓鱼内容，但关于那名男子拥有儿童色情内容的证据有吗？反警察活动家突然开始想搞小孩，这太滑稽了
>>109406600
can you provide the source for the greentext you just posted?
你能提供你刚才发的绿色文本的来源吗？
>>109405753
Culombians.
>>109396032
you are occupied by maritime law courts.
你被海事法庭控制了。
If you don't have a strawman they can't try you
如果你没有“法人 strawman”，他们就无法审判你
>>109392668
Best post itt
本帖最佳
>>109406839
Sovereign Citizens are a psyop designed to take the wind out of paleo-anarchist arguments like noticing there are no consequences at all for violating the constitution.
“主权公民”是一个心理战，旨在给那些注意到违反宪法根本没有任何后果的激进无政府主义论调泼冷水。
it's too bad it's probably fake&gay FUD, having a phone with no photos and apps is grounds for major ick, not arrest.
很遗憾，这很可能是假的&gay 的虚假宣传，带一部没照片没应用的手机是超级大的下头点，不至于被逮捕。
>>109396665
cbp has special powers within a certain distance from the border. this is granted to them by congress congress passes the laws. on top of which the supreme court has sided with the government historically. it's called the border search exception.
海关和边境保护局在边境附近一定范围内拥有特殊权力。这是国会授予他们的，法律也是国会通过的。而且历史上最高法院一直站在政府这边。这被称为“边境搜查例外”。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
>The border search exception doctrine is not regarded as an exception to the Fourth Amendment, but rather to its requirement for a warrant or probable cause.[1] After the decision in Carroll v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that travelers and their luggage may be reasonably stopped upon entrance as it serves national security interests at the border.[5] This set the precedent that the expectation of privacy is less at the border than in the interior. The Fourth Amendment balance between the government's interests and the privacy rights of the individual is also struck much more favorably toward the government at the border.[6] This balance at international borders means that routine searches are "reasonable" there, and therefore do not violate the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of "unreasonable searches and seizures".
>“边境搜查例外”原则并不被视为对第四修正案的例外，而是对其需要搜查令或可能理由的要求的例外。[1] 在 Carroll v. United States 案判决后，最高法院裁定，出于边境的国家安全利益，可以在入境时合理扣留旅客及其行李。[5] 这确立了边境地区的隐私期望低于内地的先例。第四修正案中政府利益与个人隐私权之间的平衡在边境地区也更有利于政府。[6] 这种在国际边境的平衡意味着例行搜查是“合理”的，因此不违反第四修正案对“不合理搜查和扣押”的禁止。
But does not /g/ say that the glowies can supa hack back door everything?
但 /g/ 不是说过那些穿西装的间谍能超级黑客地后门一切吗？
Strange, this case proves they can't.
奇怪，这个案子证明他们做不到。
Perhaps /g/ has overestimated their ability's.
也许 /g/ 高估了他们的能力。
or to put it another way
或者换句话说
You are not immune to propaganda.
你并非不受宣传影响。
>>109402252
>he was protesting about a new training facility, to replace the old training facility.
>他抗议的是一个新训练设施，用来取代旧的训练设施。
what a hero.
真是个英雄啊。
>>109400865
>I should be allowed my child porn. The kid is already dead, what's the harm?
>我应该有权拥有儿童色情。孩子都死了，有什么害处？
>>109404922
>4th amendment human rights
>第四修正案人权
>>109406803
>SOURCE???
the fucking op article?
他妈的 OP 文章？
you got banned at the google?
你在谷歌被禁了？
>>109392389
I too accuse people of being pedos if they refuse to let me snoop on their phone. Just go to the grocery store and start calling people pedos until they hand over and unlock their phone. Bystanders will think I'm a pedohunter and assume I wouldn't accuse someone of such a thing unless I had good evidence. Then you just find nudes of them or their partner, send it to some throwaway mail. #score
如果有人不让我窥探他们的手机，我也会指责他们是恋童癖者。直接去杂货店开始到处骂人是恋童癖者，直到他们交出并解锁手机为止。旁观者会以为我是恋童癖猎人，并假设我不会在没有确凿证据的情况下指控某人。然后你 just 找到他们或他们伴侣的不雅照，发到某个一次性邮箱里。#搞定
>>109406906
This isn't the issue you retard its the issue that a fucking picture can get you thrown in jail and even the accusation will fuck your entire life over. It's prone to abuse and what the guy is going through in OP's post is exactly why the laws are fucking retarded. It needs to be that if you sell/create/buy you should be sentence to the same level of it is now for actual fuckheads who commit the crime plus if anything I would be fine with it being far worse then it is now. Even castration if you want or just straight up death penalty if you want. I don't care. However just owning some fucking worthless bits of digital data who cares. You are just a fucking faggot reactionary.
这根本不是问题所在，你个脑残。真正的问题是一张照片就能让你蹲监狱，光是被指控就足以毁了你的一生。这规定容易被滥用，而楼主帖子里那个哥们正在经历的，恰恰说明了为什么这些法律简直脑残得要命。法律应该是：只要你出售/制作/购买，就得像现在那些真干这种勾当的白痴那样受到同等处罚；而且说实话，我觉得判得比现在重都行。甚至阉了都行，或者直接死刑都行，我都不在乎。但仅仅是拥有一些该死的数字垃圾而已，谁在乎啊？你就是个该死的老顽固。
>>109407318
Nah. You're just completely disconnected and coping hard. Cope harder. And why you're there, cry more.
得了吧。你只是完全脱离现实，还在疯狂找借口自我安慰。继续多找点借口吧。顺便多哭一会儿。
>>109406915
Yeah if you read the preamble to the bill of rights those first 10 are understood to be human rights. Nominally the US government shouldn't infringe them in any circumstance no matter who you are.
是啊，如果你读过《权利法案》的序言就会知道，前10条被视为基本人权。名义上，无论你是谁，美国政府在任何情况下都不应侵犯这些权利。
>>109407059
If they have nothing to hide they would submit to legal searches and seizures by law enforcement officers. This man violated Federal law and is suffering the consequences of it—if you don't like the consequences then call your Congressmen.
如果他们没什么不可告人的，就会配合执法人员进行合法的搜查和扣押。这名男子违反了联邦法律，正在为此付出代价——如果你不喜欢这个结果，那就去给你的国会议员打电话。
>>109405151
ok sir
好的，先生。
>>109405458
Most CP is not abuse. It's dumb teenagers uploading/selling their own photos on internet.
大多数儿童色情（CP）并不是虐待。那只是蠢货青少年在互联网上上传/出售他们自己的照片。
Porn doesn't imply consent. There is bunch of subcategories of porn that are nonconsensual like revenge porn, deepfake porn, rape/snuff porn. No one calls it revenge sexual abuse material, that would be too retarded.
拍色情片并不代表同意。色情片有很多非自愿的子类别，比如复仇色情、深度伪造色情、强奸/谋杀色情等。没人会叫它“复仇性虐待材料”，那样太脑残了。
>>109393334
>goods, wares, or merchandise
>商品、货物或 merchandise（商品）
I'd argue a personal cell phone is neither of these things, but, regardless:
我会争辩说，个人手机不属于上述任何东西，但无论如何：
>staves, breaks, throws overboard, destroys, or removes the same
>扣留、折断、投掷入海、销毁或移除上述物品
Didn't do any of these things; phone still works.
没做这些操作；手机还能用。
If the argument is against destroying the data, not the phone, well then it's definitely not goods/wares/merchandise. If this is statute is all they have, they really are just being petty cockbites.
如果争论的焦点是销毁数据而不是销毁手机，那这绝对不属于“商品/货物/ merchandise”。如果这是他们唯一的依据，那他们真的只是在耍小脾气。
>>109392883
>Backup phone
>备份手机
>Wipe phone
>清除手机
>Set up as new
>全新设置
You do realize that factory resetting or wiping your phone doesn't actually delete the data. They have digital forensics tools that can find long deleted content.
你难道不知道恢复出厂设置或清除手机并不会真正删除数据吗？他们有更专业数字取证工具可以找到已长期删除的内容。
They literally use Cellebrite UFED at every international border to clone devices. They do a primary initial search and then at a later date they review EVERYTHING from your deleted images, videos, texts, internet cache, etc. & give you a federal warrant if anything is found. It's made by an Israeli hacking/intelligence firm. They have every exploit for every device & OS from espionage and act as a proxy to the US to skirt the 4th amendment. And our tax dollars pay for it, they are making bank off of their intelligence tools. VPN's to things like Paragon Solutions and Pegasus.
他们 literally（字面上）在每个国际边境都使用 Cellebrite UFED 来克隆设备。他们会进行初步的主检，然后在后来某个时间点审查你删除的图片、视频、短信、互联网缓存等所有内容，如果发现 anything（任何内容），就会给你开出联邦传票。这公司是以色列一家黑客/情报公司开发的，他们拥有所有设备和操作系统的漏洞利用工具，作为美国的代理来规避第四修正案。而且是用我们的税款在为它买单，他们靠情报工具赚翻了。比如 Paragon Solutions 和 Pegasus 之类的 VPN/工具。
They do "random" selections for secondary search and that includes dumping your entire phone down to the MB into CBP hands. It's why you see daily news stories of creeps getting charged with possession of sex abuse material. Guy got off a cruise ship vacation with his family, got selected for secondary search and left with federal charges in a black suburban. Same with airports.
他们在二次检查中搞“随机”筛选，这其中包括把你手机里的全部内容（哪怕只有几MB）都交给CBP（美国海关和边境保护局）。这就是为什么你每天都能看到新闻，报道那些变态因为持有儿童性虐待材料被起诉。有个家伙刚带着家人从邮轮度假回来，结果被选中进行二次检查，最后开着辆黑色的SUV离开时就被联邦指控了。机场也是一样的套路。
You are in an open air prison with privilege, not rights. Remember that and once you accept it and surrender all hope it will get easier to swallow that pill and get used to the new way of life, globally. They won't bother you if you don't break the law.
你只是住在一个享有特权的露天监狱里，而不是拥有权利。记住这一点，一旦你接受现实、放弃所有希望，那么咽下这口苦水、适应全球这种新生活方式就会容易得多。只要你没犯法，他们就不会找你麻烦。
>>109407641
>They won't bother you if you don't break the law.
>只要你没犯法，他们就不会找你麻烦。
Yes they will. They won't bother you if you do and think everything they want you to.
他们会找你的。只要你照他们想的去做、去想，他们就不会找你麻烦。
how do they know it was the duress pin anyways? did he admit it or are they just assuming?
话说回来，他们是怎么知道那是受胁迫时用的紧急密码的？那人自己承认了，还是他们只是在瞎猜？
>>109407641
It does not matter whether the data is deleted or not—the action is still done with criminal intent.
数据是否被删除并不重要——这种行为本身就带有犯罪意图。
>>109401560
Based
>>109406600
>was there any evidence of any evidence about the guy possessing CP?
>有没有证据证明那个人持有儿童色情内容（CP）？
He clearly had something illegal on his phone because normal people don't go out of their way to set up killswitch software on their cellphones.
他手机里明显藏着违禁品，因为正常人谁会特意去给自己的手机设置“自毁开关”软件啊。
>>109407641
Not sure about Graphine, whether this is just another honeypot like FBl promoting Signal, whether the data is actually deleted. The majority of people own iPhones & Androids which are easy to break into with Cellebrite's exploits which they keep secret. Older devices are the most vulnerable but your new phone can sit in an evidence locker until an exploit is found to resume the case years later. They used Cellebrite for the Trump/Crooks debacle & Bryan Kohberger (sorority killer), for a hefty price you bring it to Israel in house to break into even the newest models, not the mobile UFED hardware they sell every nation. They also have Cloud recovery, finding deleted iCloud or Google Cloud files. Most people already back their data up to the cloud for convenience but that means a simple subpoena can give law enforcement unfettered access remotely. All cloud servers utilize hashing to find known illegal content, Google does AI based detection for new content which gets flagged if it meets a certain confidence level, sent to a live moderator in India to verify and then they forward a case file to N-C-M-E-C with all the user data, IP addresses, etc. The dad sending pics of his sons rash was a big example. It's why local accounts will not be an option in the next 5 years. Windows is already doing that. They have a lot of methods that aren't legal like CPU level backdoors but they will instead use workarounds not to include it in court discovery. They also have access to better facial recognition tools than the consumer grade, much more scraped social media data, Clearview AI is now used for shoplifting cases & victim identification with even grainy partials.
不太确定GrapheneOS的情况，这会不会只是另一个像FBI推广Signal那样的陷阱？数据到底有没有真的被删掉还说不准。大多数人用的是iPhone和Android，Cellebrite的漏洞很容易攻破这些系统，而且这些漏洞他们一直保密。老设备最容易中招，但即使是你崭新的手机，也可以先锁在证据室里，等着Cellebrite找到新漏洞，几年后再重启调查。他们曾用Cellebrite处理过特朗普/那帮政客（注：此处指代某争议事件）的烂摊子以及布莱恩·科伯格（女寝室杀手）的案件。花大价钱的话，你可以把手机拿到以色列境内，让他们破解最新款机型，用的可不是卖给各国的那种移动UFED硬件。他们还有云端数据恢复技术，能找回已删除的iCloud或Google云端文件。大多数人为了方便早就把数据备份到云端了，但这意味着执法部门只需一张简单的传票，就能远程获取完全不受限制的数据访问权限。所有云服务器都使用哈希算法来查找已知的非法内容；Google则基于AI检测新内容，一旦置信度达到一定水平就会被标记，然后转交给印度的真人审核员核实，接着他们会将包含所有用户数据、IP地址等的案卷文件转交给NCMEC（国家失踪与受虐儿童中心）。之前那位父亲分享儿子皮疹照片的例子就是个大教训。这就是为什么在未来五年内，本地账户将不再是可选项。Windows已经在这么做了。他们有很多手段并不完全合法，比如CPU级别的后门，但他们通常会用一些变通方法来规避证据开示程序。他们还能使用比消费级产品更高级的人脸识别工具，以及通过爬取社交媒体获得的海量数据。Clearview AI现在已被用于盗窃案和受害者身份识别，哪怕是模糊不清的局部图像也能用。
>>109407641
>>109407759
How about don't store CP on your fucking phone and don't bring sensitive information through customs? How hard is this to figure out?
别把儿童色情内容存你他妈的手机里，过海关时也别带敏感信息。这有什么难理解的？
>nohhhh you don't understand they have all this expensive shit
>不不不 你不懂 他们那些设备贵得离谱
Which can be defeated simply by not being a complete idiot.
只要不彻底犯蠢，这些就能轻易被破解。
Probably government agents detaining eachother to create pretense for more subversion of FOSS, so they can get people who actually "know how to code," the contributors, to add telemetry/networking/backdoors.
估计是政府特工互相扣押，好为进一步颠覆开源软件（FOSS）制造借口，从而迫使那些真正“懂代码”的贡献者加入遥测、联网或后门功能。
>>109407318
>American civil war where everyone calls eachother a pedo instead of fighting
>美国内战，大家不互相打架，而是互叫对方恋童癖
>>109407829
happening right now.
正在发生。
>>109406886
>cbp has special powers within a certain distance from the border
>CBP（美国海关和边境保护局）在边境附近一定范围内拥有特殊权力
It's a 100 miles and it covers airports and ports, so it's almost the entire country outside of mountain ranges
这个范围是100英里，覆盖机场和港口，所以除了山脉地区外，几乎涵盖了整个国家
>>109407801
Lol pretty much. No one should be storing it anywhere let alone being able to find it which I assume is impossible in this day & age like the Pornhub purge a few years ago, but the issue isn't about that. It's a pretext to political dissenters, reporters, and people with private corprate data. It goes beyond "save the kids" shit. As much as I hate the evil that goes on, it will always be a never ending battle and people will still do it because apparently 1/3rd of the human population is wired wrong and will abuse IRL when given the opportunity regardless of technology. Many Millennials, Gen X, Boomers & Gen Z are brain fried from porn addiction so that's another contributing factor.
差不多吧。没人应该把这种东西存在任何地方，更别提能被找出来，我猜在如今这个时代这基本不可能，就像几年前Pornhub的清洗行动一样，但问题不在于此。这是针对政治异见者、记者和拥有企业私密数据的人的借口。这超出了“保护儿童”的范畴。尽管我讨厌那些恶行，但这永远是一场无休止的战斗，人们还是会继续这么做，因为显然1/3的人类脑子有问题，一旦有机会就会在现实世界中滥用权力。很多千禧一代、X世代、婴儿潮一代和Z世代都被色情成瘾搞坏了脑子，这也是另一个促成因素。
Israel's supreme court banned Cellebrite from being sold to Russia because they searched every political opponent or reporter's phone and jailed them for obscure laws to interfere with elections. Yet they still have these tools along with every other nation in the west & east.
以色列最高法院禁止Cellebrite卖给俄罗斯，因为他们搜查了每个政治对手或记者的手机，并用 obscure（晦涩难懂的）法律罪名将他们监禁以干涉选举。然而，他们依然拥有这些工具，西方和东方的每个国家也是如此。
https://cpj.org/2022/12/forensic-tools-open-new-front-for-using-phone-data-to-prosecute-journalists/
>>109407714
It has to go to court, and Supreme Court has to rule on it after like 141 years of it happening.
这事儿得打官司，最高法院得在经历了大约141年的类似情况后做出裁决。
The SC did rule CP a first amendment right, so this could reopen that can of worms since Congress decided to make it illegal immediately after the ruling.
最高法院曾裁定儿童色情内容属于第一修正案权利（注：此处网友逻辑可能有误或讽刺，通常CP不享此权利，但按原文翻译），所以这可能重新打开这个潘多拉魔盒，因为国会裁定后立即将其定为非法。
>>109407759
Good info anon. Most "in the know" post ITT.
感谢老哥分享，坛子里大多数“知情者”都在这里了。
>>109406886
They did search it, it was wiped because of the search, this could be to stop criminals from stealing information or crypto too. He could also just be trolling for a court
他们确实搜查了，手机被wipe了因为这次搜查。这可能是为了防止罪犯窃取信息或加密货币。他可能只是为了法庭审判而故意挑衅（trolling）
>>109407747
Doesn't prove anything. Every year another batch of crypto nerds are born who haven't heard of the $5 wrench hack.
证明不了任何东西。每年都有另一批没听过“5美元扳手黑客”（指物理胁迫取证）的加密货币极客诞生。
>>109407842
Honestly, it puts us all in a bad position because simply being mildly successful in life now makes you the target of the Russian Epstein mafia of global homo. There is no point if society is literally rigged against us, so might as well do nothing.
说实话，这让我们所有人都处于不利境地，因为只要在生活中稍微有点成功，就会成为全球“俄罗斯爱泼斯坦黑帮”的目标。如果社会对我们来说是彻底 rigged（被操控/不公平）的，那做什么都没用，不如干脆什么都不做。
>>109407882
Loser think. If you know the system is rigged that's just one more data point which helps you succeed.
输家思维。如果你知道系统是被操控的，那这只是多一个数据点，反而能帮你成功。
>>109407890
>If you know the system is rigged that's just one more data point which helps you succeed.
>如果知道系统是被操控的，那只是多一个能帮你成功的数据点。
>>109407901
>waaah everyone is retarded
>呜呜呜 每个人都脑残
then why don't you use your galaxy brain to take their money
那你怎么不用你那“银河系大聪明”去搞他们的钱呢
>>109407059
You could unironically get away with this but only if you're a handsome chad. Anyone on /g/ attempting this would immediately get punched in the face.
你这么说其实也没问题，但前提得是个帅哥Chad。要是/g/里的任何人这么干，脸立马就会被揍扁。
>>109407949
I do, I am retired and technically everytime you pay taxes it goes to my retirement, to which I buy huge dildos with
确实如此，我已经退休了，严格来说你每次交税都是在给我养老金做贡献，我用这笔钱买超大号阳具。
>>109407430
"suspecting" that someone who just so happens to be in an anti-police group to posses child porn is a pretty nice legal way to search anyone isnt it
“怀疑”那个刚好在反警察群组里的人持有儿童色情内容，以此作为搜身的合法借口，这手段挺妙的不是吗
>>109407975
>everytime you pay taxes it goes to my retirement, to which I buy huge dildos with
>你每次交税都是在给我养老金做贡献，我用这笔钱买超大号阳具
Me too, but replace "retirement" with "neetbux".
我也是，把“退休”换成“NEETbux”就行。
>>109392389
nobody claims this guy is a nonce
没人说这家伙是恋童癖
i certainly wouldnt give me phone or data to anyone what is this absurdity
我当然不会把我的手机或数据给任何人，这都什么荒谬逻辑
>>109392389
thats fucking dumb if the phone says "wiping data", instead it should create plausible fake data.
这他妈太蠢了，如果手机显示“正在擦除数据”，它本应该生成一些可信的假数据。
>>109406315
>>109406496
They couldn't even snapshot the device if they wanted since usb-c is also disabled by default when the device is locked on GrapheneOS. Not that it really matters when the data is encrypted.
他们甚至没法截屏设备，因为即使GrapheneOS默认在锁屏时也会禁用USB-C。不过既然数据是加密的，这也没什么大不了。
>>109392389
The kind of glowie faggot psyop story that tries to use your disgust for pdfs to distract you from the actual issue of protecting yourself from warrantless searches. Jews always commit crimes against children then use those crimes as justifications for more control over us. If the cops had any serious interest in catching these guys they could do it by lunch. They don’t need more power over you.
这种Glowie（政府线人/特工）的邪教式谎言，试图利用你对PDF的厌恶来转移你注意力，让你忽视保护自身免受无证搜查的问题。犹太人总是对儿童犯下罪行，然后利用这些罪行作为加强对我们控制的借口。如果警察真想抓这些人，中午前就能搞定。他们不需要对你拥有更多权力。
>>109392389
If I had a nickel for each time feds suddenly claim CP when a target refuses to unlock their drive at the border I'd have two nickels.
要是每次联邦探员在目标拒绝在边境解锁硬盘时突然指控CP（儿童色情），我就给他一枚5美分硬币，那我现在都有两枚了。
>>109409888
It's impressive how the people at the top commit crimes that then actively prosecute against everyone else.
上层那些人居然犯罪，然后反过来起诉其他人，这真令人印象深刻。
Is like companies ingesting massive amounts of pirated material while pushing the criminalization of piracy for everyone else downwards.
就像大公司大量消费盗版内容，同时把针对所有人的盗版刑事化。
>>109401629
It's not tricking the agent if it really is your password to something, just not your phone.
如果那是你真的用于某个服务的密码，哪怕不是用来解手机的锁，这也不算欺骗探员。
The post-it just says passwords, not his fault you tried to use his Netflix login for his phone, which happens to also be the phones duress code.
便利贴上只写了“密码”，不是你蠢到拿他的Netflix账号去解他手机，而这个账号恰好也是手机的胁迫代码（duress code）。
>>109409905
They also use it every time a NASA employee sees too much.
他们每次NASA员工看到太多东西时也会这么干。
>>109405399
>too dumb to encrypt his own files before uploading
>蠢到连上传文件前都不自己加密
why are you on /g/
你为什么会出现在/g/？
>>109401591
You'd have to be able to prove your phone's actual password had a space in it, which would be hard after a wipe. Besides, this is gambling on a single character. Not a great idea.
你必须证明你手机的真实密码里包含空格，但在数据被擦除后这很难办到。再说，这只是赌一个字符。不是什么好主意。
Someone needs to make something like the truecrypt FDE dummy OS thing for phones.
有人得为手机搞个类似TrueCrypt FDE伪操作系统（dummy OS）的东西出来。
>>109392389
What felony was committed
到底犯了什么重罪
Can someone answer what the felony is? The border patrol agent put it in.
谁能回答一下这重罪是什么？是边境巡逻探员写上去的。
>>109407641
You factory reset and then fill the storage up with urandom, silly.
你恢复出厂设置然后用urandom填满存储空间就行了，笨蛋。
>>109394804
kek this.
哈哈哈，太搞笑了。
>That was the password, you put it in wrong you fucking underpaid retards
>那就是密码，你他妈输入错了，你们这些没交够税的蠢货
>>109393334
I'm feeling like we live in the Untied states right now, that's for sure
我感觉我们此刻就生活在美国，这绝对没错。
>>109407641
>You do realize that factory resetting or wiping your phone doesn't actually delete the data. They have digital forensics tools that can find long deleted content.
>你以为重置手机或擦除数据就能真正删掉数据吗？人家有数字取证工具，能找回那些被删掉很久的东西。
>recover encrypted partition
>恢复加密分区
>It's still encrypted
>它还是加密状态
>It still looks like random data spreads
>看起来还是一堆随机数据
Wow what a great forensics expert you are captain dumbass
哇哦，你这个“蠢货队长”真是个大法医专家啊
>>109411150
>actual password: youranidiot
>实际密码：youranidiot（你是个白痴）
>duress password: youreanidiot
>胁迫密码：youreanidiot（你们都是白痴）
>>109392883
Don't even have to do that. Just partition it separate from the phone on a luks partition. They're not going to break it.
根本不需要那么麻烦。直接在LUKS加密分区里把手机的数据单独分出来就行。他们搞不定的。
>>109405399
plenty of places, a VPN to a VPS, google drive with an encrypted container, take your pick.
地方多的是，用VPN连到VPS，或者用Google Drive里的加密容器，随你选。
>>109400877
What fucking evidence
什么他妈的证据啊
This entire case is a sham because it's predicated on wiping evidence to a crime they haven't charged him for or have evidence happened.
整个案子就是个笑话，因为它的前提是“销毁证据”，可他们连他犯了什么罪都还没指控，也拿不出任何犯罪证据。
Pissing in Donald's Diaper isn't a crime, yet.
往唐纳德·特朗普的尿布里撒尿？这还没成为犯罪呢。
>>109401553
>YOU WIL LOOOOOOOSE
>They're allowed to search your shit.
>他们有权搜查你的东西。
Absolute brainlet take. They're not allowed to unlock your phone under duress. No one is. They need evidence of a crime to do that. A phone is not like a carry-on bag you fucking retard.
典型的脑残言论。他们在胁迫下无权让你解锁手机。谁都没这个权利。他们得有犯罪证据才能这么做。手机又不是你他妈的随身行李，蠢货。
>>109404397
This, gimme your credit card number
就是这个，给我你的信用卡号啊
>>109411164
This would be a very good defense: In their rush to convict him of something, they simply accidentally locked the phone by entering the wrong password in. It's a security feature. Not my fault you pay chimps to do TSA work
这可以是个很好的辩护理由：他们为了急于给他定罪，结果输错密码不小心把手机锁了。这是安全功能。怪你们雇猴子去机场当安检员，关我屁事
>>109410855
>They also use it every time a NASA employee sees too much.
>他们每次NASA员工看到不该看的东西时也用这一招。
I remember that. A couple of months ago, many scientists died under circumstances very similar to those surrounding the deaths of the Boeing whistleblowers.
我记得那事。几个月前，好几位科学家死于与波音吹哨人非常相似的情况。
>>109411146
The charge appears to be “destruction of evidence.” This will be the first case related to Graphenos technology. That’s why everyone is paying close attention. In the US, they use past case rulings to resolve cases. This will set a historic precedent.
目前的指控是“销毁证据”。这将是首起涉及Graphenos技术的案件。这就是大家如此关注的原因。在美国，他们通常依据过往判例来结案。这将确立一个历史性的先例。
>>109411258
The precedent has already been set for a long time here, this is nothing new. If you use a PIN, you can be compelled to unlock your phone without a warrant because a four-digit number isn't a secret. If you use an actual alphanumeric password, they need a warrant and reasonable cause for suspicion.
这里的先例早就有了，没什么新鲜的。如果你用PIN码，他们可以强迫你解锁手机，不需要搜查令，因为四位数字不算秘密。如果你用真正的字母数字混合密码，他们需要搜查令和有合理怀疑依据。
So basically, he's going to jail for destruction of evidence.
所以基本上，他就要因为销毁证据入狱了。
>>109411292
What evidence did he destroy and where is the warrant requesting it?
他销毁了什么证据？索要该证据的搜查令在哪？
Neither of those things exist? Then he's free to go, this is a gigantic 4th amendment violation.
这两样都不存在？那他就可以走了，这是对他第四修正案权利的巨大侵犯。
Anyone disagreeing with this take is retarded btw
顺便说一句，不同意这个观点的都是脑残
>>109411407
My point is they don't need a warrant. He refused to cooperate with law enforcement (already a crime) and then destroyed something they wanted (destruction of evidence)
我的意思是他们不需要搜查令。他拒绝配合执法部门（这本身已构成犯罪），然后又销毁了他们想要的东西（销毁证据）
>>109411429
All he had to do was decline to give the password and let it go to court, he would've gotten a free public defender and it would've been thrown out since their was no warrant, wouldn't have cost him a penny. Wiping the phone was definitely retarded, I don't know if he did it to hide personal life away or genuinely had some fucked up shit on it.
他只需要拒绝提供密码，让案子走司法程序就行了。他会得到免费的公设辩护人，而且由于没有搜查令，案子会被驳回，他一分钱都不用花。手机数据擦除这操作确实蠢爆了，我不知道他是为了隐藏私生活，还是真的在里面搞了些乱七八糟的东西。
But I don't see how he destroyed "evidence", you need to be suspected of a crime to destroy that.
但我不明白他怎么能算是销毁“证据”，你得先被怀疑犯了罪才能叫销毁证据吧。
>>109411429
>destruction of evidence
>销毁证据
Evidence of what crime?
什么罪证的销毁？
>>109411429
So I need to lock my phone under an alphanumeric password and never give it away.
所以我得把我的手机用字母数字组合锁好，永远不给任何人？
Got it.
>>109394372
>4th amendment
>第四修正案
lmao
>>109406256
Is this a fake article?
这是篇假新闻吗？
>>109407747
>>109407801
>>109407318
>>109403155
What was on his phone were plans for activist movements against the very obviously illegal training center.
他手机里有针对那个明显非法培训中心的激进组织计划。
They were clearly trying to unlock it to charge him with conspiracy to commit terrorism because his entire life became about activism against the training center. So his choice was simple, do you get caught with something very illegal, or do something only sort-of not-tested-in-courts illegal?
他们显然想解锁手机，指控他策划恐怖主义活动，因为他整个人的生活都围绕着反对该培训中心。所以他的选择很简单：你是想被逮到手里拿着非常非法的东西，还是去做那种“某种程度上”还没在法庭上测试过合不合法的举动？
Anyone defending pigs should have drugs planted on them during a traffic stop
任何替猪辩护的人都应该在交通拦检时被栽赃毒物
>>109411429
> He refused to cooperate with law enforcement (already a crime)
>他拒绝配合执法部门（这已经是个罪名了）
Not actually a crime, Sorry Kimmy but we don't listen to the opinions of North Koreans who live in a military dictatorship, here.
实际上这不是犯罪，抱歉了Kimmy，但这儿没人听住在军管独裁政权里的朝鲜人废话。
>>109411469
Still isnt' a crime, it's not their phone and they had no suspicion of wrongdoing.
这依然不是犯罪，手机又不是他们的，他们也没有任何违法嫌疑。
>>109411894
i only ever hear anyone talk about "amendments". is the entire thing made up of nothing but "amendments"?
我只听说人们谈论“修正案”。整个东西难道就只剩“修正案”了吗？
>>109411958
>*commit crime*
>*犯罪*
>nuh-uh some rando on the internet said it's okay!
>不，网上有个路人说这样没问题！
>*gets jailed*
>*被抓坐牢*
>b-but MUH freedom!??! U fascist!
>但-但是MY自由！！！？你法西斯！
Are murrican really this stupid?
美国佬真的这么蠢吗？
>>109411641
A succulent Chinese Pizza.
一块 succulent（多汁/美味）的中国披萨。
>>109392389
land of the get your privacy raped or go to jail
一个要么隐私被强奸要么进监狱的国家
>>109401553
>>109401536
>>109401522
Welcome to court, faggot.
法庭见，faggot。
>>109405399
Any ssd/hdd you nu-aged fucking faggot. Fuck you're like those commercials for egg cracking tools
任何SSD/HDD你都行，你这帮该死的低龄白痴。你他妈就像那些开蛋器广告里的人一样
>>109406097
He's innocent, though, and was wrongfully arrested.
不过他是无辜的，是被错误逮捕的。
>>109411962
At the time they sold it there was an implication that anything not specified as an amendment was outside the federal government's power, but that turned out to be bullshit pretty much immediately.
当时出售时有暗示说，没有明确列为修正案的都在联邦政府权力之外，但那玩意儿很快就证明是扯淡。
All constitutions in the modern era are collections of aspirational statements. They're not enforceable because you're not entitled to collect anything from the state if it violates its own constitution.
现代的所有宪法都是愿望声明的集合。它们不可执行，因为如果国家的行为违反了自己的宪法，你无权向国家索要任何东西。
>>109411936
Framed question wording; the article was disingeuously created, however.
问题措辞存在预设；不过文章是带着误导意图撰写的。
>>109412329
He has a point because today it's technically impossible to create a perfect copy for a smartphone.
他说得有道理，因为今天从技术上讲，不可能为智能手机创建完美副本。
For example, you can to create a 1:1 image for a computer. You have tools like Clonezilla, Acronis or UNIX POSIX dd.
例如，你可以为计算机创建1:1镜像。你有Clonezilla、Acronis或UNIX POSIX dd这样的工具。
That capability with that level of ease today does not exist for current mobile devices.
如今，对于当前的移动设备，并不具备以这种轻松程度进行此操作的能力。
Fuck I hate the people behind every decision taken on phones during the last twenty years.
我他妈讨厌过去二十年里为手机做每个决定的人。
>>109392389
What is the felony? Obstruction of justice?
这是什么重罪？妨碍司法公正？
>>109411991
>if my counter-opinion posting always re-asserts my claims while ignoring what is actually being said to me, I can be a doomsaying faggot and no one will get tired of it or anything
>如果我的反驳帖总是重复我的观点，而忽略别人实际对我说的话，我就能当个只会唱衰的傻逼，而且没人会觉得烦
It's not even just this topic, all of the counter-intel bullshit on popular boards have the same type of response pattern
这还不止这个话题，所有流行论坛上的反情报废话都有同样的回应模式
>>109412370
>All constitutions in the modern era are collections of aspirational statements.
>现代所有的宪法都是愿望声明的集合。
wat
>>109392389
Glowie was caught.
抓到一个Glowie（线人/卧底）。
Used it as a PR move to demonize alt OS for phones and the ability to erase media from phone instantly.
把它当作公关手段，用来妖魔化手机上的非官方OS以及瞬间擦除媒体文件的能力。
>>109412401
>select home folder (or equivalent)
>选择主文件夹（或等效项）
>select dcim folder
>选择DCIM文件夹
>select user made folders
>选择用户创建的文件夹
>click and hold mouse
>按住鼠标左键
>drag to computer folder
>拖到电脑文件夹
>let go of mouse
>松开鼠标
>[enter] key
>按[Enter]键
Wow. Honestly though, a shitty smart burner with shitty wallyworld service just werks, make it a travel phone.
哇。不过说实话，一个烂大街的智能 burner 配上沃尔玛（Wallyworld）的烂服务也挺好用，拿它当旅行手机吧。
>>109411951
Yeah we get that, but we also get you have to be incredibly stupid to not know this going into customs. Imagine if he let them unlock a travel phone he bought last week and they planted cp on it. Instant win. You could retire off gofundme if you catch ICE pulling shit like that. There were so many ways this guy could've turned this situation on its head by applying a tiny amount of sense, but he had to play 00reddit and own some mall cops at the ICE counter.
是啊，我们懂你的意思，但你也得承认，在过海关前不知道这点简直蠢得没边。想象一下，如果他让海关解锁他上周买的旅行手机，他们再往里面植入儿童色情内容。那就赢了。要是你能抓到ICE（美国移民海关执法局）这么搞，你靠GoFundMe都能退休了。这家伙只要稍微动点脑子，就有无数种方法把局势扭转过来，但他偏要装13，在ICE柜台前炫耀他那些商场保安都打不过的“本事”。
>>109392389
>be under duress
>身处胁迫之下
>give duress pin
>输入胁迫解锁密码（duress pin）
Whats the issue here
这里有什么问题吗
>>109392389
what was the crime ?
犯的是什么罪？
>>109412612
something something destruction of evidence, evidence of what? I don't fucking know and if I was a lawyer I would be jumping on the case.
什么销毁证据之类的，什么证据？我他妈不知道，要是我是律师，我肯定第一时间扑上去。
>>109412482
>Imagine if he let them unlock a travel phone he bought last week and they planted cp on it. Instant win. You could retire off gofundme if you catch ICE pulling shit like that.
>想象一下，如果他让海关解锁他上周买的旅行手机，他们再往里面植入儿童色情内容。那就赢了。要是你能抓到ICE这么搞，你靠GoFundMe都能退休了。
There is no way the government would hold themselves accountable for anything like that. You wouldn't be able to sue the government because
政府绝对不可能为这种事负责。你没法起诉政府，因为
>"It wasn't government policy for the agent to do that."
>“让特工这么干并不是政府政策。”
And you wouldn't be able to sue the agent because
你也无法起诉那个特工，因为
>"How was he supposed to know that was against government policy? This exact specific situation has never come up before!"
>“他怎么能知道这违反政府政策呢？这种情况以前从来没见过！”
>>109412626
If this was his whole life as you suppose this is still a massive win because it brings attention and money to the cause. You have the same masturbatory victim complex as this retard.
如果这就跟你认为的那样构成了他的一生，那这仍然是一个巨大的胜利，因为它为事业带来了关注和资金。你和那个智障一样，有着同一种自慰式的受害者情结。
>"How was he supposed to know that was against government policy? This exact specific situation has never come up before!"
>“他怎么能知道这违反政府政策呢？这种情况以前从来没见过！”
It depends how corrupt the judge is, but people have lost their qualified immunity for far less.
这取决于法官有多腐败，但人们因为更小的事就失去了豁免权。
>>109412612
He wanted to own nothing and be happy.
他想要一无所有，然后快乐。
>>109394793
Shalom!
He didn't specify *how* he wanted the phone unlocked.
他没具体说明他希望手机怎么解锁。
Lehitra'ot!
>>109407747
normal people aren't using lunix or EQ shitty chinese IEMs either but here we are
正常人也不用Linux或者EQ那些破国产入耳式耳机，但事实就是这样
>>109392553
>non-crime
Destroying or otherwise tampering with evidence is a crime. Once your device has been seized, it's evidence.
销毁或篡改证据是犯罪。一旦你的设备被扣押，它就是证据。
>>109412612
At a minimum, impeding an investigation. Probably tampering with evidence as well. I assume that whatever was on there would have resulted in way more serious charges or else he's a complete idiot.
至少是阻碍调查。可能还涉及篡改证据。我猜里面的东西会导致更严重的指控，否则他就是个彻头彻尾的蠢货。
>>109412612
>>109396686
The numbers were right next to each other.
这两个号码就在彼此旁边。
>>109398144
Boy you sure love barking stupid shit to try to fit in.
嘿，你肯定很喜欢吠叫些愚蠢的话来试图融入群体吧。
He was basically pleading the 5th with a password, nothing illegal about it.
他 basically 是靠着密码行使第五修正案权利（保持沉默），这并不违法。
>>109407318
That's not the issue at all, the issue is that there were no pictures or charges to begin with. Not even probable cause.
这根本不是问题所在，问题是压根就没有图片，也没有指控。连合理怀疑都没有。
>>109413295
>boy
>don't even care what the post or the reply chain says
>甚至不在乎帖子或回复链里说了什么
I remember when personal inflection in online text was rightfully shamed and the poster bullied.
我想起以前网络文本中的个人语气会被理直气壮地羞辱，发帖人会被霸凌的日子。
>>109413079
Maybe the agent shouldn't be tampering with evidence, as you put it.
也许像你所说的那样，执法人员不应该篡改证据。
>>109392389
this is the SECOND time youve posted this fed boy
这已经是你第二次发这个帖子了，联邦狗
the peoples feelings stills hasnt changed
民众的感受依然没变
>>109413168
This explicitly says an action needs to be taken, though.
但这明确说了需要采取某些行动。
>>109413168
the phone still works , or not ?
手机还能用吗，还是不行？
its value didnt decreased.
它的价值没贬值。
>>109413035
>Once your device has been seized
>一旦你的设备被扣押
His device hadn't been seized tho.
但他的设备并没有被扣押。
>>109413350
They were seizing the digital contents of the phone.
他们是在扣押手机的数字内容。
>>109412012
OH SAY CAN YOU SHAAAAAART!
>>109396686
>>109413288
>off by one
>错一位（off by one）
Lmaoooo
>>109401550
>>109401147
>defending pedos
>为恋童癖辩护
>>109413368
maybe there wasnt any.
也许根本就没有。
how want they prove he destroyed any
他们怎么证明他销毁了任何（证据）？
>>109401528
Unless you're a famous leftist or rich no you won't sue because after being buttraped in prison you won't be able to afford a good lawyer
除非你是著名的左派或者有钱人，否则你不会去起诉，因为在监狱里被“蛋打鸡飞”后，你请不起好律师。
>>109401669
what property?
什么财产？
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