/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General

Fish edition

鱼版

How to request advice:

如何寻求帮助：

>Budget

>Intended use (media, source, environment)

>用途（媒体、音源、使用环境）

>Frequency response preference and music examples

>频响偏好及音乐示例

>Past gear and your thoughts on them

>用过的设备及你的评价

FAQ:

>Where do I buy IEMs?

>我在哪里买IEM？

Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

亚马逊、速卖通、Linsoul、Hifigo、Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):

>购物指南（IEM、PMP、线材、耳塞套等）：

https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Journal:

>/iemg/ 的日志：

https://iemgazette.pages.dev/

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):

>EQ指南（EQ入门、目标曲线、迷思与误解、论文等）：

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>Measurements:

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:

>预算款有线包耳式IEM：

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22

• Truthear Gate（轻微V型） - $22

• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

• EPZ Q1 Pro（V型） - $35

>Bullet IEMs:

>子弹头IEM：

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30

• Sony IER-EX15C（暖/暗） - $30

• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140

• Etymotic ER2XR（偏中性） - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:

>平头耳塞：

• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5

• NICEHCK Vido（暖） - $5

• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

• Yincrow X6（暖） - $10

>USB-C DACs:

• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8

• JCally JM6（非Pro版） / CX Pro - $8

• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18

• JadeAudio JIEZI（10段PEQ） - $18

• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38

• TRN Black Pearl（10段PEQ） - $38

• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

• Qudelix 5K（20段PEQ/GEQ） - $110

>PMPs:

• HiBy R1 - $85

• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:

• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

• 多单元动铁/动圈混合单元使用主板音频

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>>109390887

EQ them with spices and salad dresing

用香料和沙拉酱来调EQ

>>109390601

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i want to buy a meme chi fi iem for as cheap as possible

我想买个极其便宜的梗向Chi-Fi入耳式耳机

i do not care about sound quality, just that it has maximal cringe or goofy aura

我不在乎音质，只要求它能有极致的尴尬感或沙雕气场

Anyone got experience with 1MORE? I really like the aesthetic of these but the price is pretty hefty and I can't find too much reliable information on it. I want new buds for my iPod Classic. Any good recs to go with that if these are shit?

有人用过1MORE吗？我真的很喜欢这款的外观，但价格有点贵，而且找不到太多可靠的信息。我想给iPod Classic换副新耳机，如果这款不行的话，有什么推荐吗？

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XSJV5B9

>>109390789

reminder that FR is all that matters and can be EQ'd.

提醒一下，FR（频响曲线）才是唯一重要的，而且可以通过EQ调整。

good day anons !

大家早上好！

Any rec for a 2 pins cable that you KNOW is light pls ?

有没有大家亲测确实轻的2pin线材推荐？

I like the tripowin, but the weight of the metal piece is really straining on my ears with time, so I'm looking for something as good but without a litteral sinker on the line.

我喜欢Tripowin的线材，但那个金属配重块时间长了真的压耳朵，所以我想要一款效果差不多但没有那种明显坠线的替代品。

>>109392007

There is many bullet style iems on AliExpress, some with detachable 2pin cable because I think it's weak point of wired audio. Start with typing Moondrop quarks or bullet style iem there and u will find something interesting

AliExpress上有很多子弹头造型的IEM，有些是可换2pin线材的，因为我觉得有线音频的弱点就在这里。试着搜一下Moondrop Quarks或者bullet style iem，你会发现有意思的东西。

>>109392306

What u can do is buy 5usd shitbuds on AliExpress, cables are pretty shit but they are light so it can be sourced from them. More expensive shit is usually on thicker side because as u know, thickness is premium

你可以买AliExpress上5美元的廉价耳机，线材虽然很渣但是很轻，可以拆下来用。稍贵一点的垃圾通常线比较粗，因为你知道的，厚度就是高级感。

drinking cold beer, listening to music

喝着冰啤酒，听着音乐。

>>109392306

gate's cable

Gate的线材。

>>109391967

cvj kira

CVJ基拉

>Managed to drop my TWS in the toilet

>把TWS耳机掉马桶里了

>After I peed, of course

>当然是尿完尿之后掉的

I have no reaction face pic suiting enough to attach to my post. Let's just say they're ruined, and not just with water.

我找不到合适的表情包来配图表达我的心情。总之就算坏了吧，而且不仅仅是进水那么简单。

I'm in the market for a new pair. The Moondrop pudding caught my eyes, I was already in the market for a better battery life, it should fit the bill. Also cheap enough as these things never last long with me. Worse than cable ones, if that was possible.

我正在找新耳机。Moondrop Pudding引起了我的注意，我本来就想换个续航更好的，它应该符合要求。而且价格便宜，反正我也不会用很久。比线控耳塞还容易坏，如果可能的话。

How's the audio leak with the Pudding? I don't want everyone in the office to hear my kawaii uguuu music. I find TWS to be severely lacking in that area, from what I could hear from other people using them.

Pudding的漏音情况怎么样？我不想让办公室里的人听到我的kawaii uguuu音乐。根据我听别人用TWS的体验，它们在防漏音方面做得太差了。

>>109393422

Wouldn't have happened to a wired IEM.

如果是有线IEM就不会发生这种事了。

>>109391967

>maximal cringe

>极度尴尬

everything other than storm

除了Storm之外的所有

>>109393562

>BA bass

>BA动铁低音

Now that's cringe.

这下真够尴尬的。

Say My Name

说出我的名字

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>>109393551

You'd be surprised!

你会有意想不到的惊喜！

>>109393618

is this a viable way to wear a music player?

把音乐播放器这么挂着戴合法吗？

>>109393422

pudding seals well, adn you can use any eartips to get a good fit and insertion depth

Pudding密封性很好，你可以用任何耳塞套来获得良好的贴合度和插入深度。

/iemg/ Dogma Check

/iemg/ 教条检查

Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

受够了群体思维？这是给你开的理智剂量：

>Crinacle is not your priest.

>Crinacle不是你的神父。

Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

排名只是参考，不是神圣经文。你的耳朵 > 他的电子表格。

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.

>Harman曲线和JM-1 ≠ 完美。

It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

那只是偏好曲线，不是物理定律。有些曲风需要偏离。

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.

>国砖（Chi-Fi）不是魔法。

Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

性价比确实高。能免疫品控问题和炒作周期？别逗了。

>Graphs are not sound.

>图表不等于声音。

They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

他们根本不上台展示动态和佩戴贴合度。用耳朵听，别光看那些频谱曲线。

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.

>双动圈（BA）≠ 金属音，DD（动圈）≠ 完美。

Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

调音实现比单元类型更重要。一直都是这样。

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.

>热门推荐清单并不是入耳式耳机圈的全貌。

If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

如果一个耳塞不是被24/7无脑吹捧，那它可能依然很好。非常鼓励大家形成自己的独立观点。

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.

>持不同意见 ≠ 自我安慰或耳聋。

Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

让人家喜欢他们喜欢的，别在那气得口吐白沫。

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.

>帖子声音大 ≠ 观点高明。

Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

没有经验的自信只是噪音。请出示数据图、听感描述，或者两者都提供。

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

以上就是你们从“头趴（耳友）群体思维”中获得的定时休息。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4uNWZr-p3w

cca cra rev 1s got snapped off at the pins

CCA CRA REV 1s的2pin接口被拧断了。

what is the closest equivalent in anno dominoes 2026?

2026年Anno Dominoes中最接近的等效型号是什么？

>>109394135

KZ Saga (Bass version if you like bass)

KZ Saga（如果你喜欢低音，选低音版）

KZ EDC Pro

KZ Vibe X (also if you like bass)

KZ Vibe X（同样，如果你喜欢低音）

Foxzo won

Foxzo赢了

Techs won.

Techs赢了。

>>109394550

techs literally can't POSSIBLY exist

Techs这帮人根本不可能存在好吧

>>109394162

arigato I'll let you know which one is the closest

谢谢，我会告诉你哪个是最接近的

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which waner II is the best waner II

哪个Waner II是最佳的Waner II？

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>>109394740

shit looks exactly the same lol

这看起来完全一模一样啊 lol

Should I remove the grille from my IEMs so I can hear better?

我应该把IEM的防尘网拆掉吗？这样能听得更清楚吗？

>>109394612

Techs are stored in the balls.

Techs都被储存在球囊里了。

>>109394612

Explain the techs section in precog's ranking then

那请解释一下Precog排名里的Techs部分吧

>>109394810

precog is a faggot

Precog是个傻逼

Has anyone made wired earbuds with active noise cancelling?

有人做过带主动降噪功能的有线耳塞吗？

What's the best model to block out voices

哪款型号对阻挡人声最有效？

female voices would already be good enough

只要能挡住女声就足够了

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>>109394962

Bose QuietComfort 20 is quite popular among cs2 pro players

Bose QuietComfort 20在CS2职业玩家中挺受欢迎的

I don't really know anything about audio but I have sennheiser cx 300 earbuds.

我对音频一窍不通，但我有一副森海塞尔CX 300耳塞。

Would any iems basically be an upgrade from these? Even like the super cheap ones recommended in the OP?

有什么IEM基本上都能算是对这些的升级吗？哪怕是OP里推荐的超便宜型号？

I guess my general use case would be for gaming and voice comms.

我想我的主要用途大概是打游戏和语音通讯。

>>109395337

pretty much any well regarded IEM (starting from $1 EDC pro) will be an upgrade over shit like cx 300

基本上，任何口碑不错的入耳式耳机（从1美元起步的EDC Pro）都会比CX 300那种垃圾强得多。

Never tried IEMs before. Are the Moondrop Chu II good? I like my DT 770s but I'm getting tired of wearing headphones all day.

以前没试过入耳式耳机。月影 Chu II 怎么样？我很喜欢我的 DT 770，但整天戴耳机让我快受够了。

>>109395441

You cen start with any cheap AliExpress shitbud like GK kunten if chu 2 is too expensive for you. They will do, wearing IEM is bit different sensation because pressure point are in you ears, sometimes people dont like that sensation. But yeah, chu 2 or any other random 1 dynamic driver chink iem will be good place to try it. Usually multi driver iems are larger. Usually iems with wanting holes are more comfortable but offers less sound isolation. Usually silicon tips are easier to wear for long time than memory foam tips. Usually it's better not to use that shit after showers or with wet ears because of ear infections and killing drivers

如果你嫌 Chu 2 太贵，可以先从 AliExpress 上的廉价国产动铁/动圈开始，比如 GK kunten。它们也能用，只是戴入耳式耳机的感觉有点不同，因为压力点在耳道里，有些人不太喜欢那种感觉。不过说实话，Chu 2 或者其他随便哪个国产单动圈入耳式耳机都是不错的尝试起点。通常多单元入耳式耳机体积更大。通常带泄压孔的入耳式耳机佩戴更舒适，但隔音效果较差。通常硅胶耳塞比记忆海绵耳塞更适合长时间佩戴。另外，通常不建议在洗澡后或耳朵潮湿时使用入耳式耳机，因为这会导致耳部感染并烧坏单元。

>>109394751

Techs are different pal

铳科那完全是另一回事。

>>109395540

nta, in what ways, and by how much?

不是啊，具体在哪方面、有多大差别？

time to creditcardmax

是时候让信用卡刷爆了。

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>>109396247

omg ribbon techs + harman tuning

我的天，平板单元技术 + Harman 调音！

we need it !

我们需要它！

>>109396247

this isn't the storm waitlist...

这又不是 Storm 的排队名单……

Howx are the moondrop chu II compared to Sony IER-EX15C?

月影 Chu II 和索尼 IER-EX15C 相比如何？

>>109396205

well red lion is obviously red and as we all know red is 3 times faster (driver)

好吧，红狮子肯定是红色的，而且众所周知红色速度是三倍（指单元响应）。

>>109396694

I thought it was the mean face that made it aggressively faster?

我以为让它 aggressively faster（激进地更快）的是那张严肃的脸？

>>109396247

i paid 150 for my ribbon headpos. i'll just eq it to fr-1 target

我的平板头戴式耳机花了 150 刀。我就把它 EQ 到 FR-1 目标曲线吧。

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/hpg/ is dead

/hpg/ 已经死了。

Thoughts on the Noble Audio Artemis?

对 Noble Audio Artemis 有什么看法？

after loving my multi-driver IEM, I really want to try something that in full sized Headphones

在爱上我的多单元入耳式耳机后，我真的很想试试全尺寸头戴耳机。

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>>109397496

need to see measurements and reviews

需要看到测量数据和评测。

what thoughts can be there? shit's probably dogshit but we'll see

能有什么看法？这玩意儿估计是一坨屎，但咱们走着瞧。

>>109397613

>need to see

>需要看到

>shit's probably dogshit

>估计是一坨屎

>but we'll see

>但咱们走着瞧

>we'll make our judgements based on not ever hearing it.

>我们甚至没听过它就要做判断了。

grim

>>109397496

>$900 USD wireless

>900 美元无线

that is fucking crazy money for headphones by the way, at that price you could get used hd 800's + an amp/dac, lcd 2's,lcdx/ aeon noire xo's, focal clear ogs, stax l700 or a bunch of other stuff, i'd have a really hard time believing anything wireless comes close to any of those in any way but at the same time who the fuck who's into headphone audio would pay this kind of money to even try them? Your best bet is some random wireless/anc fag but most of them are subhumans

顺便说一句，这个价格买头戴耳机真是疯得离谱。到了这个价位，你可以买到二手的 HD 800 加耳放/解码器、LCD-2、LCD-X/Aeon Noire XO、Focal Clear OG、Stax L700 或者其他很多东西。我真不相信任何无线耳机能在任何方面接近它们中的任何一个。但话说回来，谁会为了尝试这些耳机而花这么多钱呢？你最好的选择是一些普通的无线/主动降噪耳机用户，但他们大部分都是“次等人”。

looking for my old wallet in storage and found my t20 instead.

在储物间找旧钱包，结果找到了我的 T20。

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>>109398416

and these two

还有这两个。

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>>109397496

If it's wireless just be normal and buy Bose or Sony, maybe Sennheiser hbd630 or focal bathys if u really need sound quality. For 900 USD there is entire world of good wired headphones that smokes wired shit, for that money u can even buy good quality DAC/amp + good headphones

如果是无线的，就正常点买 Bose 或 Sony，如果你真的需要音质，可以考虑 Sennheiser HBD630 或 Focal Bathys。对于 900 美元来说，有线耳机世界里有无数产品能吊打无线垃圾。花这个钱你甚至能买到高品质的 DAC/耳放 + 好耳机。

>>109397613

people keep saying that multi-driver headphones are very sensitive to ear shape/positioning in relation to the drivers. I still want to try them tho

人们一直说多单元耳机对耳形/单元位置的敏感度非常高。不过我还是想试试。

>>109398812

I already have my modded Fostex T50RP + EQ that are bass cannons, and the HD600 for something more bass light neutral.

我已经有改装过的 Fostex T50RP + EQ（低音猛如炮），还有 HD600 作为低音较轻的中性用途。

I'm interested in the Artemis because unlike those wired headphones It has DSP and multiple drivers.

我对Artemis很感兴趣，因为它不像那些有线耳机一样，它内置DSP并且使用了多单元设计。

Also I'm not willing to spend almost the same money for Bose/Sony knowing their track record with QC and shitty firmware updates.

而且，我不愿意花几乎一样的钱去买Bose或Sony的产品，鉴于它们在品控和固件更新上的糟糕记录。

>>109397830

I'm a sucker for planars. And since these headphones require no amp/dac, It feels like a good deal.

我是平板单元的拥趸。而且既然这款耳机不需要额外的耳放或解码器，感觉性价比很不错。

I've considered a pair of LCDs or DCs, but they're stupid expensive here in Europe.

我也考虑过LCD或DC系列，但它们在咱们欧洲贵得离谱。

R8 my budget amp/dac combo

我的预算是R8耳放+解码组合

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>>109399919

Incredibly jeetcoded

简直被杰特科德（Jeetcode）魔改得面目全非

>>109399895

wtf is even that driver config, never seen something like that in full size headphones, maybe outside DIY space. It feels like bit tryhardig, u can have perfect over ears with just 1 driver without dealing with crossovers, DSP or phasing issues. I wouldnt buy it without extensive reviews research.

这单元配置到底是啥鬼？我在全尺寸耳机里从来没见过这样的设计，可能除了DIY圈子里才有吧。感觉有点用力过猛，你完全可以只用一个单元做出完美的头戴式耳机，根本不用去折腾分频器、DSP或者相位问题。没做过 extensive 的评测和研究之前，我是不会买的。

If u are sucker for planars for that price there is half of chinkfiman lineup (Arya stealth for example), every Moondrop planar ever build (Para 2, Cosmo, Skyland), every Fiio planar ever build (FT1 pro, FT7), i think u can buy entry lvl DCA planars for that price too (even in eu). Some of them are power hungry (like moondrop cosmo or skyland) but most of them require dongle or small portable amp.

如果你对这个价位的平板单元这么痴迷，市面上还有千粉（Chinkfiman，指水月雨等国产高性价比品牌） lineup 的一半可选（比如Arya Stealth），Moondrop（水月雨）出过的所有平板（Para 2, Cosmo, Skyland），Fiio（飞傲）出过的所有平板（FT1 Pro, FT7），我觉得这个价位甚至能在欧盟买到入门级的DCA平板。其中一些确实比较吃推力（比如水月雨Cosmo或Skyland），但大多数只需要一个转接线（dongle）或者便携小耳放就够了。

With wireless i would go with HDB 630 desu

如果要无线的话，我会选HDB 630 desu

>>109396523

Nobody is waiting for that outdated shit bruh, EQ to Hex.

没人等得了那堆过时的垃圾，兄弟，调个EQ到Hex模式算了。

>>109399961

Multiple drivers are a cargo cult. They see speakers with multiple drivers and think IEMs/headphones need them too. They probably even think each frequency needs its own driver.

多单元就是个神龛崇拜。他们看到音箱用了多单元，就觉得IEM（入耳式耳机）或头戴耳机也得这样。他们大概甚至觉得每个频段都需要一个独立的单元。

>>109390789

>Koi IEM's

what model?

什么型号？

>>109399985

i see that they are expensive IEMs company, so probably that is why they wanted to pull it of in larger format.

我看他们家的高端IEM挺贵的，所以可能这就是他们想在大尺寸领域发力试试水的原因吧。

Outside of that ive seen few 3d printed headphones with multiple drivers and there is one hifiman with planar and dynamic subwoofer but i dont think it was ideal design. And last year with companies like senheisser, sjy audio or dca last year proved that there is no need for that and u can make good closed backs with planar or dynamic drivers without issues

除此之外，我见过几款3D打印的多单元耳机，还有一款Hifiman的平板加动态低音单元，但我总觉得那个设计并不理想。而且去年像森海塞尔、SJY Audio或者DCA这些品牌都证明了，用平板或动态单元做好封闭头戴式耳机完全没问题，根本不需要搞多单元。

>>109399961

>>109399985

Like I've said before. I have a really fucking good pair of TWS buds (Huawei Freebuds Pro 5) and their bass feels completely separate from the mids and treble. You can EQ them to be as bassy as you want and It will not color the rest of the sound.

就像我之前说的。我有一副非常牛逼的TWS耳机（华为Freebuds Pro 5），它们的低频感觉和中高频完全分离。你可以随意EQ增加低音，它也不会染缸影响其他频段的声音。

I want to hear something similar in an over-ear. That's why I'm excited for them and not considering the HDB 630 (also I don't really care about the wireless stuff)

我就想头戴耳机也能有这种效果，所以我才对这款很兴奋，完全没考虑HDB 630（而且我对无线功能也没什么兴趣）

>>109400078

although I'm not gonna lie. That driver placement looks kinda cursed desu

虽然我不打算撒谎，那个单元布局看着确实有点邪门 desu

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>>109400078

Not how ears work. Fill in the midbass and it won't sound separate.

人耳可不是这么工作的。把中低频填满了，声音就不会分离了。

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>>109400078

ok, i dont judge. Check chinkfiman isvarna then, i know they are more expensive

好吧，我不评判。那你看看千粉的Isvarna吧，我知道那款更贵点

Didn't even need to look at the graph to guess it has a midbass dip but here it is.

我甚至都不用看频响图就能猜出来它有中低频凹陷，看吧，确实如此。

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>>109400122

thanks! those are really, really expensive though. I

谢谢！不过那些耳机真的，真的好贵。我

>>109400130

That FR was probably measured with the default EQ which is kinda meh ngl. I personally use the bass boost profile since It also adds more vocal clarity or just a custom EQ, hence I say "you can EQ them to be as bassy as you want".

那个 FR 曲线估计是用默认 EQ 测的，说实话有点烂。我一般用低音增强预设，因为它还能增加人声清晰度，或者干脆用自定义 EQ，所以说“你可以通过 EQ 把它们调得低音有多深就有多深”。

Dunno, It feels like black magic. But It may be because there's some DSP correction fuckery going on too

不知道，感觉像黑魔法。不过可能也有 DSP 校正在那搞鬼。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785318551724399.jpg

holy retard newfags. kiwi ears makes sub-$100 headpos with multiple drivers. nothing about it is difficult or special. other companies just have less of an intention to scam you with unnecessary marketing like noble.

真是蠢货新韭菜。Kiwi Ears 做带多单元的不到 100 美金的耳机跟玩似的。这玩意儿一点也不难也不特别。其他公司只是没像 Noble 那样一心想靠不必要的营销来割你韭菜。

but as is the case with so many businesses, they know exactly how to appeal to their target demographic: moronic "audiophiles"

但就像很多公司一样，他们太清楚怎么吸引目标客户群了：那群白痴“发烧友”。

>>109400464

then please tell me. What other set of over-ear headphones can I get for <900 usd?

那你说说看。900 美金以内我还能买到什么其他头戴式耳机？

I'm always open to suggestions

我一直乐于接受建议。

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eq lost

EQ 没了？

>>109400654

depends on what kind of headphones do you want

看你想要什么类型的耳机了。

I boughted the dyson wireless headphone

我买了戴森无线耳机。

i hate things in my ears i hate things on my ears i hate things over my ears i hate things on my head it's speakers for me

我讨厌塞耳朵的，讨厌夹耳朵的，讨厌罩耳朵的，讨厌顶在头上的。对我而言，音箱才是正解。

>>109401883

nuh uh

才不是呢。

buy iems and stockholm syndrome yourself

买个 IEM 然后自恋斯德哥尔摩综合征去吧。

>>109401883

speakers suck for gaming

音箱打游戏不行。

>>109402004

gayming is gay

打游戏就是 Gay。

>>109400130

>midbass dip

>中低频凹陷

who cares

谁在乎啊。

>judging from clone 711 graph

>根据 Clone 711 的曲线图

grim

>measurement taken from a nobody

>测量数据来自某个无名小卒

grim

>>109402932

Shut yo dumbass up goofy

闭嘴吧你这蠢货，小丑。

>they think 5128 is better than 711

>他们觉得 5128 比 711 好

grim

>>109402942

>>109402947

shut up samefag.

闭嘴，复读机。

5128 is better than a knockoff 711 graph.

5128 比那个仿冒版 711 的曲线要好。

keyword: knockoff. meaning, chinese clone.

关键词：仿冒。意思是国产山寨。

>>109402980

>

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>>109402980

>A clone is an exact copy of a living thing, a look-alike person or thing, or a duplicate software or hardware item

>克隆是指生物体的精确复制品，长得像的人或物，或者复制的软件或硬件物品

Following your definition, a clone is a good thing. "knockoff" is not applicable here. It's not as if 711 is a GRAS patent or anything like that. It's a standard that any company can follow. Btw, the IEC impedance tolerance bands are quite wide.

按你的定义，克隆是件好事。“仿冒”在这里不适用。又没听说 711 是 GRAS 的专利什么的。这是一种任何公司都可以遵循的标准。顺便提一下，IEC 的阻抗容差带挺宽的。

>>109403023

severe cope. 711 is outdated and unreliable in half of the frequency spectrum.

严重的自我欺骗。711 在大部分频段都已经过时且不可靠了。

chinese clone≠parity with what it's copying.

国产山寨≠与被模仿对象一样好。

>>109403050

It’s useful where it matters. You only need a 2 digit IQ to determine if something is poorly tuned. If it’s bad on 711, it will also be bad on 5128, and vice versa. And treble will be completely different for you anyway. 5128 is cope.

在它该有用的地方它就有用。你只需要 2 位数的智商就能判断某个调音是不是拉胯。如果它在 711 上表现不好，在 5128 上也会不好，反之亦然。而且高频对你来说本来就会完全不同。5128 才是自欺欺人。

(无正文)

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>>109403107

>$7.5k

>already mogged by HEX

>已经被 HEX 碾压了

kek

>>109403080

the leap from "711 is useful" to "5128 is cope" doesn't track. 5128 was made to address exactly the problems that came from 711.

从“711 有用”跳跃到“5128 是自欺欺人”这逻辑不通。5128 的诞生正是为了解决 711 带来的那些问题。

and not all clone couplers are the same. if you own one, it's probably trash, so enjoy the actual cope/buyer's remorse

而且并非所有克隆耦合器都一样。如果你手里有一个，那估计是垃圾，好好享受这种真正的自我欺骗/买家后悔吧。

>>109403133

nice try

没门

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>>109403133

Nice try Mysticraft employee but Storm still clears. It's actually got an unique tuning unlike Hex which tries to do some regular ass tuning but fails miserably.

别试了，Mysticraft 的员工，但 Storm 依然能秒杀它。它的调音很有特色，不像 Hex 试图做一些平平无奇的调音却惨败。

>>109403192

>fails miserably

>惨败

nta, but have you personally heard one yourself?

你没罪（NTA），但你亲自听过吗？

>>109403144

You don't even understand what you're talking about. 5128 is called a high-frequency simulator because it adheres to an average impedance better than 711, true. But the error bars are so high in the treble that it doesn't even matter. You can reach the same conclusion with both simulators if you're smart enough, which doesn't seem to be the case for you.

你根本搞不清自己在说什么。5128被称为高频模拟器，确实是因为它比711更好地贴合平均阻抗。但在高频部分的误差条（error bars）如此之大，这根本无关紧要。只要你够聪明，用两种模拟器都能得出同样的结论，但这显然不是你的状况。

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>>109403208

No but I know Storm sounds better

不，但我就是觉得Storm听起来更好

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>>109403212

first you said 5128 is cope and now you're saying you can get to the same conclusion with a 711. those are not the same statements.

你刚才说5128是自我安慰（cope），现在又说用711也能得出同样的结论。这两者可不是同一回事。

if you're saying everyone's treble is different, so 5128 doesn't matter, then why the fuck would a chinese clone 711 coupler be good enough??? human variations don't magically make an inferior coupler more accurate just because "variations exist".

如果你是说每个人的高频都不一样，所以5128没那么重要，那他妈为什么一个中国造的克隆711耦合器就够用了呢？？？人类个体差异不会仅仅因为“存在差异”就莫名其妙地让一个劣质的耦合器变得更准确。

>5128 is called a high-frequency simulator because it adheres to an average impedance better than 711.

>5128被称为高频模拟器，是因为它比711更好地贴合平均阻抗。

exactly my point. literally one of the reasons it exists. but then you still went straight to "it doesn't matter". now it's just about your opinion on if the improvement is worth caring about which is again, an entirely different argument.

这正是我的观点。这确实是它存在的原因之一。但你又直接跳到“这无所谓”。现在这变成了你对“这种改进是否值得关注”的个人意见，这又是完全不同的论点了。

not only are you retarded and contradicting yourself, you're admitting here why 5128 exists: it is more accurate. you're all over the place.

你不仅脑残还自相矛盾，而且你在这里承认了5128存在的原因：它更准确。你的观点颠三倒四。

at this point, you can't even argue that the engineering improvements don't exist because you know you'd be full of shit

到了这一步，你甚至没法争辩说这些工程改进不存在，因为你知道你那就是在放屁

>>109403286

Holy gibberish. I'm saying it's good enough to tell whether something sucks. 5128 isn't giving you any magical edge on that front. And it also has QC variation like any product on Earth.

全是胡言乱语。我说的是它足够好到能判断某个东西是否垃圾。5128在这方面并没有给你什么神奇的优势。而且它和其他地球上的任何产品一样，也存在品控（QC）波动。

Now learn to read and interpret error bars.

现在去学着读懂并解读误差条。

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>>109402932

Shut your bitch ass up, you don't know how IEM graphs are taken at all, you think they're an average of many measurements. Just living in a total fantasy land. For checking QC 711 is more accurate than 5128.

闭上你那张破嘴吧，你根本不懂入耳式耳机（IEM）的频响图是怎么测出来的，你以为那是很多次测量的平均值吗？简直活在完全幻想的世界里。用于检查品控，711比5128更准确。

>>109403320

>QC variation

>品控波动

irrelevant. you can't seem to stop changing the argument. "711 is sufficient to see bad tuning" isn't the same as "5128 is cope"

无关。你似乎停不下来一直在换论点。“711足以看出糟糕的调音”并不等同于“5128是自我安慰”。

speak for yourself about gibberish, your cope is simply, "711 is enough for hobbyists" when all I'm saying is 5128 is a more accurate and reliable basis for measurement, which you can't even argue without turning to kiddy shit insults.

至于你说的那些胡言乱语，你自己的自我安慰不过就是“711对爱好者来说已经够了”，而我一直说的是5128是更准确、更可靠的测量基础，你连争辩这点都做不到，只会转向幼稚的人身攻击。

at this point, I accept your concession.

到了这一步，我接受你的让步。

Hex won

Hex赢了

>>109403365

are you just antsy and needing to reply every time you come up with something? because you're definitely not a separate anon lol. cope harder, you handed me your ass by agreeing with me already, son.

你是不是只是急躁，每次想到点什么就必须回复？因为你绝对不是一个独立的匿名用户，哈哈。继续自我安慰吧，你小子都已经同意我的观点，被我完爆了。

>>109403376

>just let me be retarded in peace

>就让我安安静静地当个脑残

Nah

>>109403397

>>109403386

>"this POS is ass, just look"

>“这破玩意儿真垃圾，看吧”

>shows 711 graph

>展示711的图表

the circle jerk never ends

这种互相吹捧的狗屁循环永无止境

>>109403420

>I don't know how 5128 is better, it's more expensive so it must be better

>我不知道5128哪里好，它更贵所以肯定更好

Meanwhile DCA ditched 5128 because it's less accurate. What are the odds.

与此同时DCA抛弃了5128，因为它不够准确。真是神奇。

>I heckin love JM-1 but I don't know it was created because 5128 DF is wrong

>我超爱JM-1，但我不知道它是因为5128的阻抗曲线不对才被开发出来的

What worshipping youtube reviewers does to a motherfucker.

给那些YouTube评测博主当捧哏会对一个混蛋产生什么影响。

>>109403445

>so it must be better

>那肯定更好

tens of thousands of dollars better

好个几万刀

>DCA

fucking WHO???????????????????? LOL

到底他妈的谁？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？笑死

>>109403453

samefag. just put all your thoughts into one post instead of schizo posting every time you come up with a "thought" lmfao. you're done, my friend. I'm going back to enjoying my PR2 autoeq'd to PRX with the low and high shelves raised to perfection as you sit there conjuring up another schizo post.

同一人。把你那些想法一次性发完别每次冒出一个“灵感”就发一次散裂式的帖子好吗，笑死。你完了，朋友。我还是继续享受我把PR2用PRX的EQ调校到高低频搁架完美匹配吧，你坐在那儿继续构思你下一个精神分裂式的帖子。

what eating piss poor fast food does to a motherfucker

吃那种劣质快餐会对一个混蛋产生什么影响

>>109403477

oh no it's the deaf baldy

哦不，是那个聋子秃头

>EQ to perfection with 2 shelf filters

>用两个搁架滤波器把EQ调到完美

>look inside

>看进去

>disintegrating pads held together with tape

>耳罩都快散架了还得靠胶带粘着

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>>109403376

Well, yeah? 5128 is a cope in this context.

嗯，是啊？在这语境下5128就是个自我安慰的玩意儿。

> 5128 is a more accurate and reliable basis for measurement,

> 5128是更准确可靠的测量基准，

It's not. It's harder to measure with a pinna, and the insertion depth is random.

根本不是。用带耳廓的模型更难测，而且插入深度是随机的。

>at this point, I accept your concession.

>到这一步，我接受你的让步。

I accept you can't interpret error bars.

我接受你根本看不懂误差棒。

>>109403527

Nigga can't even accept that graphs are real. He thinks a midbass dip will show up in one measurement and disappear in another. That's what "inaccurate" means to him. Not a purely theoretical issue confounded by various real life issues that it actually is.

这哥们连图表都不是真实存在都能接受不了。他觉得某个中低频凹陷在一个测量里出现，在另一个里就消失。这就他妈的他眼里的“不准确”。这其实是个受各种现实问题影响的不纯理论问题，而不是他以为的那样。

>He thinks a midbass dip will show up in one measurement and disappear in another.

>他觉得某个中低频凹陷在一个测量里出现，在另一个里就消失。

Well, on 5128 that is the case due to the rocking modes lol.

呃，在5128上确实如此，因为有 rocking mode（摇摆模式）笑死。

>>109403527

>It's not. It's harder to measure with a pinna, and the insertion depth is random.

>根本不是。用带耳廓的模型更难测，而且插入深度是随机的。

Amir is the best case study of this, he's comically fucked up measurements over the years because he still doesn't know how to use his 5128. So you get a fuckton of headphone measurements without proper seals or other errors.

Amir就是个最好的案例。他这些年测出来的数据烂得滑稽，就是因为他根本不会用他的5128。所以你得到一堆密封不靠谱或者其他错误百出的耳机测量数据。

>>109403623

Amir has GRAS. The problems with pinna are the same though.

Amir有GRAS仪器。但耳廓的问题还是一样的。

>>109403642

You're right, I misunderstood DCA providing him 5128 measurements as him using them in the latest review I checked.

你说得对，我之前误以为DCA提供给他5128测量数据就是他在最新评测里用了那些数据。

But yeah, most people doing these FR chart at home measurements genuinely cant get proper seals.

但说真的，大多数在家做频响曲线测量的家伙根本搞不定良好的密封。

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>>109403381

*fox

>>109403881

>Let's measure few things with pure sine wave despite it's irrelevant in real world use, let's skip measurements that won't aid our narration, let's skip subjective audio

>咱们用纯正弦波测点东西吧，尽管这在现实使用中毫无意义，咱们跳过那些对咱的故事没用的测量，咱们跳过主观音频

Is he retarded or just topping shill

他是真傻还是Topking的托？

>>109404054

Both honestly. Dude spent the last month doing "reviews" of sub plate amps absolutely nobody is buying, so I think outside of Shenzhen and DCA nobody wants to go near him.

我觉得两者都是。这家伙上个月还在测些根本没人买的低音炮功放做“评测”，所以我觉得除了深圳和DCA，没人想碰他。

Don't blame them either, you have THS now who will still frame it as "we didn't like it but you might" at the worst. There is genuinely no upside of sending shit to Amir knowing that if he doesn't like your brand he will figure out a way to botch the measurements and not make retractions.

也别怪他们，你有THS那帮人，哪怕是最坏的情况，他们也会包装成“我们不怎么样，但你可能喜欢”。真心没必要把东西寄给Amir，因为你知道如果他不喜欢你的品牌，他会想办法搞砸测量数据并且拒不更正。

>>109404054

Go back to school lil bro where they teach what music is made out of.

回去上学吧老弟，去学学音乐到底是由什么构成的。

>>109404147

Few days ago I watched something about op amps. And guy there was talking about amir's video about it where he skipped few measurements, went thru everything with pure sine wave and didn't even bother to roll opamps and actually listen to it.

几天前我看了一段关于运放的东西。视频里的人提到了 Amir 关于它的视频，说 Amir 跳过了一些测量，只用纯正弦波过了一遍流程，连换换运放仔细听听都懒得做。

I think it's because of him topping is considered as a sources designed to work well if measured in lab environment and not so great if you actually try to use them.

我觉得这是因为他们家主打“堆料”，给人的印象是如果在实验室环境下测量表现不错，但实际用起来就没那么好了。

>>109404264

The crux of Topping is you're paying more to ensure the thing isn't a buggy piece of shit that won't blow up. The quality control on the DX5 II and DX1 II are abysmal, but I've never seen issues with the A900 or any of their upmarket offerings. The majority of their consumer base are e-waste connoisseurs obsessed with getting the "best value", same people who buy FT1s and chinkfiman cans that break within a few months.

Topping 的核心卖点就是你多花钱是为了确保这东西不是个会炸的 Bug 一堆的垃圾。DX5 II 和 DX1 II 的品控烂得一塌糊涂，但我从来没听说 A900 或他们任何高端产品出过问题。他们的大多数消费者都是些沉迷“极致性价比”的电子垃圾鉴赏家，跟那些买 FT1 和中国仿制耳机（chinkfiman cans）并在几个月内就坏掉的人是同一拨。

>someone gets a 5128 rig

>有人搞了个 5128 的改装

>"he's not doing it right"

>“他搞错了”

>has a chinese clone 711 coupler

>拿着中国克隆版 711 耦合器

>"THIS IS HOW"

>>109403902

the usual suspect. can always be counted on to misunderstand basic audio knowledge the same way they misunderstand basic biology. oops.

又是那个老熟人。一如既往地误解基础音频知识，就像他们误解基础生物学一样。哎呀。

>guys, the chinese are cloning a standard

> guys，中国人正在克隆一个标准

Lmaooooooo

>>109404054

>Is he retarded or just topping shill

>他是脑残还是 Topping 的水军

He used to let this dude post on ASR for years with no MOT tag, who would just shit on anything that wasn't Topping/Shenzhen. Until the L30 started exploding and it came out he was a long-term Topping engineer and designer behind the L30 (which was the suspicion on other forums for a while).

以前他允许那个家伙在 ASR 发帖好几年都不用打 MOT 标签，那人就会喷除了 Topping/深圳以外的任何东西。直到 L30 开始爆炸，大家才发现他原来是 Topping 的长期工程师兼设计师，也就是 L30 的幕后黑手（其他论坛之前也有过这个猜测）。

I think every super buggy/faulty "value" product is something he designed for them, which is why he has since fucked off into hiding. It's a good illustration of the type of people Amir props up though.

我觉得每个超级 Bug/有缺陷的“性价比”产品都是他为他们设计的，这也是为什么他后来躲起来了。这很好地说明了 Amir 所力挺的那类人。

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>>109404432

They're using bootleg centimeters or something.

他们用的是盗版厘米还是什么鬼。

>>109404403

Balls are neither audio nor knowledge.

睾丸既不是音频也不是知识。

>>109403176

nice try but hex is superior

试试还行，但 hex 更胜一筹

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785357753705525.jpg

i wonder why do audiophiles pick edgelord names for audio products like "obsidian" "dusk"?

我想知道为什么发烧友给音频产品起这种装酷的名字，比如“黑曜石”“黄昏”？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785357836815893.jpg

>>109404787

Because they're edgelords

因为他们是装酷怪

>>109404836

i'm an ecchilord

我是个 ecchilord（伪音控/伪萝莉控）

its over for storm>>109404769

风暴>>109404769 完蛋了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785359263198320.jpg

>off-the-shelf drivers

>现成单元

>off-the-shelf electronics

>现成电子元件

>resin shell

>树脂外壳

>elaborate faceplate

>复杂的脸板

>price = previous flagship price + 1

>价格 = 前代旗舰价 + 1

Yep, it's kilopos time.

没错，该是 kiloPOS（高价低配）时间了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785360861994329.png

>>109405266

FWIW these actually look cool, their blue earth ones are apparently pretty baller too. Only time I've ever considered a kilobuck iem

说真的，这耳机确实挺酷的，他们的蓝色地球版据说也很屌。这是我唯一考虑买 kilo bucks（千元级）IEM 的时候。

>>109405266

>Star of david

>大卫之星

>Kilopos pricing

>KiloPOS 定价

I wonder who is behind this brand

我想知道这个品牌背后是谁

>>109404787

Because Moondrop ShesActually1000YearsOld doesn't hit the same

因为 MoonDrop 的 ShesActually1000YearsOld 感觉不对劲

>>109405587

it's the chinese

是中国人的

>>109404737

bait. you're incapable of learning anything regarding audio to begin with. move along sonny boy

钓鱼。你压根就没能力学习任何音频知识。滚蛋吧小子

>inb4 something along the lines of, "hurr durr I'm the only person that knows anything, everyone else is retarded"

>inb4 有人说类似“嘿咻咻，我是唯一懂行的人，其他人都是脑残”这种话

or some faggoty shit like that. you have a serious learning disability

或者什么基佬 shit 之类的。你有严重的学习障碍

cant remember if it's here or reddit, but i remember someone saying they're getting the artpical raphael. if it's someone here, have you received it yet? how does it sound? which colour did you get? im kinda torn between the white and black one and wanna see how they look irl instead of marketing photos.

记不清是在这还是Reddit上看到的了，但我记得有人说他搞到了Artpical的Raphael。如果是这里的人，你收到了吗？音质怎么样？你选了哪个颜色？我在白色和黑色之间纠结，想看看实物的效果，而不是官方宣传图。

i have the lunar ring and they look dope, the raphael looks kinda nice too for a pretty low price, so im a bit keen on it.

我有Lunar Ring，看起来帅炸，Raphael看起来也不错，而且价格很低，所以我有点心动。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785365475050231.jpg

>>109405266

isnt lucifer like 400?

Lucifer不得要400刀吗？

>>109404769

>>109405035

what's the cheapest (< 1000$) way to get somewhat close even to this level of techs at home?

在家搞到哪怕稍微接近这种级别技术的、最便宜（<1000刀）的方法是什么？

>>109405728

>he's actually offended we don't take balls seriously

>他居然生气我们不把“ Balls”（音圈/音球？此处为网络梗，指代某种音频理论）当回事

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785366328847134.png

>>109405902

>we

it's only you with the "blah blah blah blah me me me I know it all" faggotry

只有你这个满嘴“blah blah blah blah 我我我 我最懂”的傻逼会这么说

only. you.

只有。你。

nobody with a quarter of a brain agrees with you about your entire dismissal of how audio really works.

稍微有点脑子的人都不会同意你全盘否定音频实际工作原理的那套说法。

embarrassing.

>>109405941

Balls is not how audio works lil bro. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

“ Balls”根本就不是音频工作的原理，小老弟。抱歉让你这么痛苦地认清现实。

how audio really works = my imagination btw

音频实际工作的原理 = 我瞎编的 顺便说一下

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785366929471435.png

>>109405977

kek, what is this larp.

呵呵，这什么角色扮演（LARP）？

>>109406018

0 books read, 0 IEMs measured, 7 degrees in ball science

0本书读过，0个IEM（入耳式耳机）做过测量，7度“ Balls科学”学位

>>109405977

>>109406018

only an uppity schizo such as yourself replies to themselves as if they're an entirely different anon.

只有像你这种高高在上的精神分裂症候群患者才会把自己当成完全陌生的另一个匿名用户来回复自己。

you failed at wrapping your head around REW. you failed at wrapping your head around audio mixing. you lost, hardcore. I'm actually truly embarrassed for you.

你根本搞不懂REW（音频测量软件）。你根本搞不懂音频混音。你完蛋了，彻底完蛋。我真为你感到尴尬。

>>109405843

It's spiritually kilopos.

它是精神层面的“千倍负分”（kilopos为kilo-dos的反讽梗，意为极度负面）。

>>109405894

probably a used myth would be good tech value

买个二手的Myth应该性价比不错

>>109406054

>your measurements are different from my imagination so you lost

>你的测量结果跟我瞎编的不一样，所以你输了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785367493099400.jpg

>>109406093

imagine choosing to be the opposite gender. out of the both of us, one is an actual nutjob, but you know this. oops

想象一下选择成为异性。在我们俩中，有一个才是真正的疯子，但你知道的。哦豁

>>109405941

lies, cope and projection. you've been dunked on by multiple anons within seconds.

胡扯，自我安慰加投射。你几秒钟内就被好几个anon喷了。

>>109405894

No such thing. Even discounts reduce techs as we learned from arya organic.

没那回事。就算打折，技术宅们也会让我们从arya organic那里学到教训的。

>>109406253

LMFAO you can't help yourself. everything you just said is a lie. keep it up. /iemg/ lore at this point is just foxbum neurosis.

笑死，你就是控制不住自己。你刚才说的那些都是谎言。继续保持吧。/iemg/ 的 lore 到了现在就是foxbum的神经症。

I bet your family and "friends" don't even give you this much validation. sheesh

我打赌你的家人和“朋友”都没给你这么多认同感。啧啧

>>109405894

tangzu bajie or tipsy m5 for driver variance

Tangzu Bajie 或 Tipsy M5 应对驱动差异

kz sonata for sheer number of drivers (BA pos, only one is probably soldered)

KZ Sonata 纯靠单元数量取胜（动铁阵列，可能只有一个焊死了）

>>109406266

cope.

>>109404787

Don't forget the Nordic names.

别忘了那些北欧名字。

Uh oh, this thing that always happens actually never happened. Praise the balls.

哎呀，那个总发生的“翻车”场面居然没发生。感谢天谢地。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785369461033931.png

if i ever start a pos company, im gonna name them after shit my 2 year old niece says, like bababababa or prrrrrtghgfg

要是我以后开公司，就用我那两岁小侄女说的屁话来命名，比如“巴巴巴巴巴”或者“噗噜噜咕咕”。

>>109406278

>>109406311

more delusion. you gotta get over yourself shithead

又是臆想症。你得走出现在自我为中心的臭屎状态里。

>>109404293

If you don't buy the cheapest dongles simply because a number is better you deserve your shit getting blow up. Actual solved technology and people still manage to mess it up.

如果你仅仅因为数字更大就不买最便宜的转接头，那你活该你的东西被炸飞。明明已经是成熟的技术，人们还是能把事情搞砸。

>>109406311

look like you don't know what a mixing board or how audio mixing works.

看来你连混音台和音频混音是怎么回事都不知道。

read a book.

去读本书吧。

>>109406328

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>>109406343

This book?

就这本书？

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>>109406343

you turn the knob and panning happens DUH. you were about to say. not how it works, retard.

你拧旋钮，声像就变了，显而易见。你想说的不是这个，而是它的工作原理，脑残。

>>109406368

more blah blah from you. you literally cannot help yourself. I hard accept your concession though.

你又在那儿哔哔赖赖。你真是改不了这臭毛病。不过我勉强接受你的认输。

the guy that doesn't how panning works wants to tell you how audio really works, stay tuned

那个连声像（panning）都不懂的人，正跑来教你什么是真正的音频处理，敬请收看。

>>109406400

>pretending a thread on an imageboard is a soap opera and being enough of a lunatic to desperately be the main star.

>假装图片版里的一个帖子是肥皂剧，并且疯到把自己当成绝对主角拼命刷存在感。

no wonder there's no /hpg/. you'd love to run this general to the ground I bet.

难怪没有 /hpg/ 版块。我敢打赌，你就喜欢把这里搞得乌烟瘴气。

>>109406400

Actually insane how you can show him what his knobs do and he'll refuse to believe it if there's a tiniest chance EQ can do the same thing. All because someone told him mixing isn't mastering.

简直不可思议，你就算给他展示了旋钮的功能，只要有一丁点可能均衡器（EQ）也能达到同样效果，他就会拒绝相信。全是因为有人告诉他“混音不是母带处理”。

>>109406437

>gossing drama bullshit

>八卦 drama 屎

>can't get over being shit on about not knowing what audio mixing is.

>没法释怀别人因为不懂音频混音而踩你一脚的事。

I can't believe you're this butthurt about other anons knowing more than you on any subject. you can't handle it, move on. learn to be normal and stay on the topic- IEMS

我真不敢相信你对于其他匿名网友在任意话题上都比你懂这点如此破防。你接受不了就翻篇吧。学着正常点，回到正题——入耳式监听耳机（IEMS）。

if they're both supposed to affect the volume, why doesnt eq eliminate the sound even at -1000000db but panning does? how does it work?

如果它们都应该影响音量，为什么 EQ 调到 -1000000dB 还是没能消除声音，而声像处理可以？这是怎么回事？

>>109406475

gossiping** oopsie

八卦中哎呀

>>109406475

>he actually thinks he has a point and we just don't get it

>他居然觉得自己有道理，而我们只是没懂

Cute.

>>109406486

you're done if that's the best you could come up with as you're itching for more. we're full circle now.

你要是就拿这个当绝杀，那你就彻底完蛋了，因为你还憋着更狠的呢。我们现在转回原点。

there is no "we".

不存在什么“我们”。

it's just foxfaggot scrambling, grasping at straws and shitting up the general as usual.

不过是那个狐狸变态在慌乱中挣扎，抓救命稻草，像往常一样把这个版块搞得脏兮兮。

sorry, /iemg/, we deserved better this whole time.

抱歉，/iemg/，我们从头到尾都值得更好的。

>inb4 more bullshit from her.

>先来个“她又要来一堆狗屎废话”的预警。

>>109406480

-144dB eliminates the sound, hope this helps

-144dB 就能消除声音，希望这对你有帮助

>>109406487

Praise the balls.

感谢天谢地。

He will literally look at the volume being affected and still say it's not affected. That's the kind of mental illness we're dealing with

他就算看到音量确实受影响，还是会硬说没受影响。我们面对的就是这种精神疾病

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>>109399919

show me the guts and elaborate

露露真面目，展开说说

>>109406566

wahhhhh wahhhh blah blah blah drama queen. go take a midol and stop arguing with yourself- and still losing.

哇啊啊啊 哇啊啊啊 哔哔赖赖 drama 女王。去吃点布洛芬（Midol），别再跟自己吵了——而且你还是在输的那一方。

sheeeeeeeeesh what a ball ache LOL

嘶~~~~~~~真是个大麻烦，哈哈

She will literally do this.

她 literally 会做这个。

She will literally do that.

她 literally 会做那个。

Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Mental illness this. Mental illness that.

大家都懂我在说啥。这又是精神疾病，那又是精神疾病。

I can never be wrong about anything because I am allergic to being wrong.

我永远不可能错，因为我“过敏”于犯错。

That's foxbum. That's what she sounds like. That's the kind of mental illness we're dealing with, besides the fact that troons are kind of nuts.

那就是狐狸母狗。那就是她的声音。除了跨儿（troons）本身就有点神经病这个事实之外，我们面对的就是这种精神疾病。

>>109406580

Your tears are delicious.

你的眼泪真美味。

>>109406589

He says this and does this.

他光说不练。

>>109406566

>>109406580

>>109406589

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785372256141127.png

>>109406566

how can volume be real if graphs aren't real

如果图表都不真实，那音量怎么可能真实？

>>109406596

not noticing the tech upgrade from your "upgrade" is what buck broke you.

没发现你的“升级”其实是技术倒退，正是这点击碎了巴克（Buck）。

you gotta move forward in life, not backwards. hope this helps.

生活得向前看，别往后退。希望能帮到你。

>>109406607

It was real in your mind.

那只是你脑海中的幻象。

>>109406606

Good point. We must average many tracks until the waveform looks smooth...

说得好。我们得对多首曲目取平均，直到波形看起来平滑……

>>109406614

oh, don't tell me you bought a P50 based on it's stock tuning alone.

噢，别告诉我你是仅凭官方调音就买了P50。

holy fuckin shit you are broken beyond repair it's so brutal. I really do want better things for you. a better attitude, a better mindset. you deserve it ya know.

卧槽你真没救了，太残酷了。我是真的希望你更好。更好的态度，更好的心态。你值得拥有，知道吗。

>>109406623

p50 is pretty good

P50其实挺不错的。

>>109406623

Why foxbum buys things with foxes? Nobody knows...

为什么狐狸屁（foxbum）要买带狐狸图案的东西？没人知道……

>>109406626

I'm not really doubting that. I was interested in Daybreak for a bit, but I know I'll want something else, then something else and so on. I'm chillin for now.

我其实没那么怀疑。我之前对Daybreak有点兴趣，但我知道之后我又想要别的，然后再要别的，以此类推。我现在先歇会儿。

>>109406636

it's her thing. it's whatever.

这是她的癖好。随便吧。

>>109406623

your entire fantasy hinges on being too new to remember variations.

你的整个幻想都建立在“因为太新所以记不起其他版本”这一假设上。

>>109406653

sounds great, but a $500 pos is not in my future, sweetie. start talking being and this general could be salvaged.

听起来不错，但500刀的一坨屎不在我的计划内，亲爱的。开始说人话，这耳机或许还能挽救。

>>109406678

start talking and being normal*

开始说人话且像个正常人*

fuck

>>109406653

The fox propaganda is so effective he didn't get it even with that hint. Fox IEM actually won.

狐狸教的宣传太有效了，哪怕有那层提示他也没懂。狐狸耳机（Fox IEM）确实赢了。

>>109406718

>foxbum pretending to be a separate anon

>狐狸屁假装成另一个匿网友

you really do have to move forward and stop coping.

你真的得向前看，停止自欺欺人。

learn about audio mixing, and I'll perhaps learn about megalomania. fair enough?

你去学学音频混音吧，然后我去学学什么是自大狂。公平交易？

>>109406734

Yeah yeah, the knob moves balls, not the volume, anything else?

是是是，旋钮控制的是蛋蛋，不是音量，还有别的吗？

>>109406745

good catch! you were right to call that out!

有人该去HeadFi告诉那些“比特完美”的蠢货这点事。

you're stifling only yourself. major lack of maturity on your part which can only be truly explained by a learning disorder.

你只是在压抑你自己。你极度缺乏成熟，这只能用学习障碍来解释。

you must really fucking hate biology, too.

你肯定也他妈恨生物课。

>>109406753

Tell me more about balls. What can extract them from IEMs? IEMs with channel imbalance pan the instruments so there must be some balls inside.

多说说蛋蛋。什么能从小尾巴（IEM）里把蛋蛋抽出来？有声道平衡问题会导致乐器声像偏转，那里面肯定有蛋蛋。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785373718685491.png

>>109406768

we get it. you hate stereo imaging too. the only truth *to you* is tuning and your small brain can't expand beyond it because you didn't learn it yourself.

我们懂了。你也恨立体声声像。对你来说唯一的真理就是调音，你那小脑容量无法超越它，因为你没自己学过。

it wildly and madly irks you that an anon schooled you on this.

一个匿网友给你上了这一课，你气得要死。

at this point, you are trolling.

到这一步，你就是在故意挑衅。

he's doing the thing >>109406400

他在做那件事 >>109406400

>>109406793

Balls are as valid as EQ, bestie. Spread the word.

蛋蛋和EQ一样有效，姐妹。广而告之。

>>109406480

>why doesnt eq eliminate the sound even at -1000000db

>为什么即使设到-1000000db，EQ也无法消除声音

Somebody should tell bitperfect retards from headfi about this.

有人应该告诉 bitperfect 和 headfi 上的那些白痴关于这件事。

>>109404787

enter

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785375176633693.jpg

post your bloom cards

晒出你的花朵卡（bloom cards）

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785377653547575.jpg

>>109407071

why aren't you buying things off headpos.com and supporting listener's hrt?

你怎么不去headpos.com买东西支持一下听众的HRT？

>>109407126

idk i just never cared for them. bloom feels more professional and cs oriented. headpos feels more like bland node you can use to obtain stuff. the same ideals seem to apply to stuff they like and shill

不知道，我只是从来不在乎他们。Bloom感觉更专业，更偏向CS（客服/销售？）。Headpos感觉更像个无聊的节点，用来搞点东西。他们推崇和吹捧的东西理念都差不多。

>>109407071

the two moids seem try hard, the femoid is peak normie.

那两个雄性似乎很努力装逼，那个雌性才是典型的普通人（normie）。

any places where they have seniors in the team instead?

有没有哪个品牌团队里有资深前辈的？

>>109407680

not that i know of. the guys at musicteck may be older but they specialize more in esoteric totl stuff

据我所知没有。MusicTeck那帮人可能岁数大点，但他们更专注于那些奇葩的TOTL（顶级）产品。

>>109406400

Judging by >>109406480 he doesn't even know how volume works.

从 >>109406480 来看，他甚至根本不懂音量是怎么回事。

Juzear Fiesta for bassy set? Graph looks pretty good and it seems like it will be good for EDM and so on

用Juzear Fiesta听低音重的曲目？频响曲线看起来不错，感觉应该挺适合EDM之类的

>>109394550

that's just a fancy word for FR

那不过是个“高大上”的词，其实就是频响（FR）啦

>>109406261

FR, i bought my arya organic for 1.5K, a year later they halved the price, and it sounds like shit since, how do they do this, how did my headphone knew that it suddenly had to sound like shit.

频响曲线？我一年前花1500买的Arya Organic，过了一年价格直接腰斩，结果声音变得巨难听。他们是怎么做到的？我的耳机怎么知道突然得难听起来了？

I don't get why everyone hates EQ here.

我真不懂为啥大家这么讨厌EQ（均衡器）。

I find very enjoyable to listen to the same song with different EQ presets to find the one that fits best

我觉得用不同的EQ预设听同一首歌，然后挑个最合口味的，这个过程挺好玩的。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785400048643390.jpg

>>109408443

incorrect

>>109408517

it's not because you don't understand why that it is false you know.

别以为你搞不懂为什么它就是错的，你这么说可不对。

>>109408462

EQ is for IEMs, not tracks. You could EQ tracks if they're poorly produced I guess.

EQ是给入耳式耳机（IEMs）用的，不是给音轨用的。除非音轨制作得一塌糊涂，不然你才需要去EQ音轨。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjHtOglM6sg

>>109408078

Pretty good. There aren't many other clean basshead sets at that price either.

相当不错。这个价位也没什么其他干净的“重低音”套装了。

satan iem probably has good bass

撒旦（Satan）IEM低音应该挺顶的

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785413486446478.png

What is the 2026 modern day equivalent of the moondrop chu2s, cheap and v shaped instead of expensive and tinnitus inducing? And hopefully without shitty qc and deteriorating copper coating on the filter (fuck moondrop btw)

2026年现在的平替是谁？要便宜且V型的，别整那些死贵还致幻的。最好也没有那些糟糕的质检和滤网镀铜劣化的破事（顺便说一句，去死吧水月雨）。

I'm just really sensitive to 10k hz peaks I guess, unrelated picrel for visibility

我可能只是对10kHz的峰值特别敏感而已，附图仅为示意

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785414084242532.gif

>>109396576

Better.

When is moondrop going to make nice looking IEMs again? I want a blessing 3 or S8 refresh uwwaaaaa

水月雨啥时候才能再出点好看的IEM？我想要个 Blessing 3 或者 S8 的刷新版啊啊啊

Have any sistas used the S8? Supposedly they have crazy good imaging and I wanted to pick some up for gaming and VR

有姐妹用过 S8 吗？听说它的声场定位简直无敌，我想搞一对来打游戏和玩VR

>>109409577

New flagship ba spam meme sets are looking really nice.

新款旗舰BA堆料 meme 套装看起来真不错。

I think they have that muted natural aluminum look for a while now and it even went into their headphones but lately they use more carbon fiber so it's maybe next step for their iems too.

我觉得它们保持那种低调自然的铝合金外观已经有一阵子了，甚至延续到了他们的头戴式耳机上。但最近它们用了更多碳纤维，所以这可能是它们IEM的下一步方向。

>>109409714

It's very sad, isn't it? Give me back clear resin IEMs, preferably fully filled and not just shells ;_;

太让人伤心了，不是吗？把透明树脂IEM还给我，最好是全填充的，别只给空壳；_;

I've looked at the orchestra II, and while all the reviews look great no-one really comments on the imaging leading me to believe it is just "average"

我看了Orchestra II的评测，虽然所有评测都写得很棒，但没人怎么提声场定位，让我觉得它可能只是“平庸”水平。

Note though, I have my blessing 3s already, if I wanted another B3 I'd just pick up something from tanchjim (force or Kara), I am specifically looking at something for great imaging for gaming use.

不过话说在前头，我已经有Blessing 3了，如果我真想要个B3，我直接买个天记的（Force或Kara）就行，我 specifically 是在找一款声场定位极佳的用来打游戏。

>>109409454

how many fox buttplugs do you own by now?

你现在到底囤了多少只狐狸屁股塞？

>>109409725

Honestly kiwi ears orchestra lite and 2 with clear resin is peak IEM aesthetic for me. Other aesthetic I really like is titanium or aluminum shells with sparkly faceplates, like lime ears stuff or thieaudio Valhalla or Mysticraft Myth.

说实话，Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite 和 Orchestra 2 加上透明树脂，对我来说就是IEM审美的巅峰。我很喜欢的另一种审美是钛金属或铝合金外壳搭配闪亮的脸盘，比如 Lime Ears 的东西，或者 Thieaudio 的 Valhalla 或 Mysticraft Myth。

Moondrop nowadays is either cheap plastic cyberpunk type stuff or plain aluminum apple like stuff.

如今的水月雨要么是做便宜的塑料赛博朋克风，要么就是纯铝苹果风。

As I said, new flagships looks nice but it's way outside my budget

就像我说的，新款旗舰确实好看，但远远超出了我的预算。

>>109409577

>Supposedly they have crazy good imaging

>据说它们有超牛的声场定位

I don't get how people still don't get it that "crazy good imaging" is not really a property of IEM. If your ear canal fucks up treble there'll be no imaging no matter what (except EQ I guess)

我真搞不懂为什么还有人没搞懂，“超牛声场定位”其实并不是IEM本身的属性。如果你的耳道让高频糊了，那啥定位都没有，不管啥耳机（除非用EQ）。

>>109410160

Do you know what imaging is?

你知道什么叫声场定位吗？

EQ has nothing to do with imaging, imaging is how sounds can be placed in a 3D space, i.e. if a sound is behind you can you actually hear it behind you?

EQ跟声场定位没关系。声场定位指的是声音在3D空间中的位置感，也就是说，如果一个声音在你身后，你真的是从身后听到它吗？

I've had times when listening to new songs (Kyoto by C418) where I literally looked up and behind me because it sounded like something outside of the song was over there.

我听新歌（比如C418的《Kyoto》）的时候，有时真的会回头看，因为听起来好像声音是从身后某个地方传来的。

What happened to the headphone general? I haven't seen one of those in a while. Also, has anyone used those iems sharur is shilling with calibration?

那个耳机总版去哪了？好久没见那版块了。还有，有人用过Sharur安利的那些带校准的入耳式耳机吗？

>>109410177

>EQ has nothing to do with imaging

>EQ和声场定位没关系

retard

>imaging is how sounds can be placed in a 3D space, i.e. if a sound is behind you can you actually hear it behind you

>声场定位指的是声音能否被放置在三维空间中，比如声音在你身后，你确实能听到它在身后

what exactly places sound behind you mr. retard?

到底什么东西把声音放在你身后啊，傻逼先生？

>I've had times when listening to new songs (Kyoto by C418) where I literally looked up and behind me because it sounded like something outside of the song was over there.

>我听新歌（比如C418的《Kyoto》）的时候，有时真的会回头看，因为听起来好像声音是从身后某个地方传来的。

Do you even know how sound works?

你懂声音是怎么工作的吗？

>>109410200

>What happened to the headphone general

>那个耳机总版去哪了

headphones got solved decades ago so there's nothing to discuss

耳机技术几十年前就被研究透了，没什么好讨论的

>Also, has anyone used those iems sharur is shilling with calibration

>还有，有人用过Sharur安利的那些带校准的入耳式耳机吗

lol no but anything can sound good with proper tuning. If he doesn't lie about his calibrations it'll sound as good as any decent $20 IEM

哈哈没有，不过调校得当什么耳机都能好听。只要他不谎报校准数据，听起来就能媲美任何 decent 的20刀入耳式耳机。

>>109410204

>hur you're a retard

>嘿，你是个傻逼

>also you're a retard

>还有你是个傻逼

>did I mention you're a retard

>我是不是说过你是个傻逼

Woah, you sure convinced me! Thanks, I'll EQ my KZs instead then.

哇哦，你成功说服我了！谢谢，那我下次还是用EQ调我的KZ吧。

You bloody imbecile you can create le imaging dragons with le EQ!

你这混蛋，你可以用EQ创造出声场定位！

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785422227794918.jpg

>>109410215

Answer the question. What places sounds in a 3D space?

回答问题。到底是什么把声音定位在三维空间里？

>>109410218

You can't but I obviously can.

你做不到，但我显然可以。

>>109410220

I clearly don't know, or so you claimed. Why don't you enlighten me? Some graphs or articles would be nice, that way if I am incorrect and it is solely a function of the tuning curve, I can learn more.

我显然不知道，正如你所声称的那样。那你来指点指点我？放些图表或文章出来吧，这样如果我是错的，而这仅仅是调音曲线的函数，我就能多学点。

>>109410224

Only works in your head (like the imaging).

只存在于你脑子里（就像声场定位一样）。

>>109410232

Hey You started being a snarky faggot with

嘿，你一开始就是个尖酸刻薄的混蛋

>Do you know what imaging is?

>你知道什么是声场定位吗？

>EQ has nothing to do with imaging,

>EQ和声场定位没关系，

not me

不是我

now you are acting all offended

现在你又装出一副很生气的样子

>so you claimed

>正如你所声称的那样

I haven't claimed anything. You made a claim as we can see above. I just asked you to clarify your position which you obviously failed to do.

我没声称什么。是你做出了声明，如上所示。我只是让你澄清你的立场，但你显然没做到。

>Why don't you enlighten me

>那你来指点指点我

hmm maybe I will I'll need to look up a bunch of shit tho....

嗯，也许我会。不过我得去查一堆资料……

>>109410301

>I don't get how people still don't get it that "crazy good imaging" is not really a property of IEM. If your ear canal fucks up treble there'll be no imaging no matter what (except EQ I guess)

>我不明白为什么还有人不懂，“极其出色的声场定位”其实并不是入耳式耳机的一个特性。如果你的耳道把高频搞砸了，那无论怎样都没有声场定位（除非用EQ吧）

(you) Claimed imaging was affected by the frequency response in your ear canal and that EQ could change that.

（你）声称声场定位受到耳道频响的影响，而EQ可以改变这一点。

>hmm maybe I will I'll need to look up a bunch of shit tho....

>嗯，也许我会。不过我得去查一堆资料……

So, you don't actually know that EQ affects imaging? why the fuck did you reply to me and claim you knew about imaging?

所以，你其实不知道EQ会影响声场定位？那你 fucking 回复我并声称你懂声场定位干嘛？

It sounds like you just hopped on to throw some bullshit out there because, well, I don't know why, and you didn't expect to get called out on it.

听起来你只是想蹦出来喷点垃圾话，嗯，我也不知道为什么，而且你并没指望会被拆穿。

dog be better for fuck sake can we NOT shit up the board any more than it already is.

老天保佑，咱们能不能别再往论坛上拉屎了，这里已经够乱了。

It literally doesn't matter what exactly creates a particular audio effect because IEMs physically can't do it. IEMs convert voltage to air pressure, that's it. If you haven't noticed something on one IEM but noticed it on another then either you haven't been paying attention or the responsible frequencies were masked(bad tuning).

具体是什么创造了某种音频效果根本无关紧要，因为入耳式耳机在物理上根本做不到。入耳式耳机只是将电压转换为空气压力，仅此而已。如果你在某副入耳式耳机上没注意到什么，但在另一副上注意到了，那要么是你没在认真听，要么是相关频段被掩蔽了（调音烂）。

Why are you retards still talking about IEMs when the best way to listen to audio is using the AKG EO-IG955 with SpinFit W1 eartips calibrated to the PEQdB Diamond target curve with an IEC 60318-4 coupler.

为什么你们这帮蠢货还在聊入耳式耳机呢？听音乐的最佳方式明明是用 AKG EO-IG955，配上 SpinFit W1 耳塞套，并用 IEC 60318-4 耦合器校准到 PEQdB Diamond 目标曲线。

>>109410319

>(you) Claimed imaging was affected by the frequency response in your ear canal and that EQ could change that.

>（你）声称耳道内的频率响应会影响结像，且 EQ 能改变这一点。

More like that your ear canal can fuck up things that EQ can fix. Do you know what masking is? Do you think that you will hear sound behind you and far away if frequencies responsible for it are raised (making it sound CLOSE and probably not behind you) hm? It's simple logic

更像是你的耳道会把事情搞砸，而 EQ 能修复这些问题。你知道什么是掩蔽效应吗？你觉得如果负责后方远距离声音的频段被提升（让它听起来很近且可能不在你身后），你还能听到身后远处的声音吗？这是简单的逻辑。

>So, you don't actually know that EQ affects imaging

>所以，你其实并不知道 EQ 会影响结像

No I just wanted to provide proper literature, dumbass. isn't it normal thing to do in an argument? You provide argumentation based on facts and logic instead of retardation and delusions? Might be just me I dunno

不，我只是想提供正确的文献资料，蠢货。在争论中这样做难道不是正常的吗？你是基于事实和逻辑提供论点，而不是胡言乱语和妄想吗？可能只有我这么想吧，管他呢

>why the fuck did you reply to me and claim you knew about imaging

>你他妈为什么回复我，还声称你懂结像

well it's obvious that you are retarded. Why do you think you know imagining when you think FR doesn't affect it? What does then?

显然你就是个智障。既然你觉得频率响应不影响结像，你怎么会以为自己懂结像呢？那什么能影响呢？

>It sounds like you just hopped on to throw some bullshit out there because, well, I don't know why, and you didn't expect to get called out on it.

>你看起来就像是为了随便喷点废话才跳出来的，嗯，我也不知道为什么，而且你也没指望会被我揭穿。

delusional

imagine thinking MAGIC affects imaging instead of sound and thinking you are calling out "bullshit"

居然以为“魔法”能影响结像而不是声音，还自以为在揭穿“废话”

>>109410375

Good morning, sir.

早安，先生。

eq is magic by sliding the knobs up and down I can make sounds appear to come from any point

EQ 就是魔法，通过上下滑动旋钮，我能让声音好像从任何方向传来

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-VeBBpjThg

Umm headpos sisters...??

呃，头位姐妹们……？？

>>109410432

Nah, that's what balls do. We just need to find where OEMs are hiding them inside IEMs.

不，那才是蛋蛋做的事。我们只需要找到 OEM 把蛋蛋藏在入耳式耳机里的哪个位置。

>>109410450

I really doubt such low elevation at 1k will give "low contrasts" characteristics to the sound. Wish he also got in ear measurements like headphones show dudes did. would be interesting to see what exactly in headphones he actually likes

我真的很怀疑 1k 处如此低的高度会带来声音的“低对比度”特性。希望他也能像那些戴头戴式耳机的哥们展示的那样，给出入耳式测量数据。看看他到底在头戴式耳机上喜欢什么，会很有意思

>>109409728

None but my ex probably does

只有我的前女友可能懂

>>109410450

Expected.

>>109410634

>in ear mic

>入耳式麦克风

You'd need your HRTF to make sense out of it, and you can use your ears to get the same conclusion, bruh... he also mentioned he eqd that elevation out, and it helped a lot. So it's not like it's just a guess.

你需要你的 HRTF（头部相关传递函数）来理解它，而且你直接用耳朵也能得出同样的结论，兄弟……他还提到他把那个高度部分用 EQ 消除了，效果很好。所以这可不是随便猜猜的。

>>109410702

>You'd need your HRTF to make sense out of it, and you can use your ears to get the same conclusion, bruh... he also mentioned he eqd that elevation out, and it helped a lot. So it's not like it's just a guess.

>你需要你的 HRTF（头部相关传递函数）来理解它，而且你直接用耳朵也能得出同样的结论，兄弟……他还提到他把那个高度部分用 EQ 消除了，效果很好。所以这可不是随便猜猜的。

I know and they did discuss it with him

我知道，他们也跟他讨论过这个话题

>he also mentioned he eqd that elevation out, and it helped a lot. So it's not like it's just a guess.

>他还提到他把那个高度部分用 EQ 消除了，效果很好。所以这可不是随便猜猜的。

for me to get any honkiness I need to add A LOT around 1k not just +-1.5. he probably has bigger bump there than graphs show. I'm just saying it would've been pretty interesting

对我来说，要想获得所需的“轰头感”，我得把低频加一大把，差不多1kHz附近，而不是只调个正负1.5。他那个位置的实际隆起可能比图表显示的还要大。我就是觉得那会挺有意思的。

i need a cheap set of iems for work. was thinking about getting the moondrop chu 2 but ive read in the amazon reviews the usbc cable it comes with sucks and dies easily. what are my options for a cheap cable with a mic that is usbc and will work with my iphone?

我需要一副便宜的入耳式耳机（IEM）用于工作。本来打算买水月雨竹2（Chu 2），但看了亚马逊的评论说它自带的USB-C线很差劲，很容易坏。有没有便宜的带麦克风的USB-C线材推荐？要能兼容我的iPhone。

>>109410926

IER-EX15C

>>109411001

buds like that don’t stay in my ears

像那样的耳塞我戴着容易掉。

>>109411037

so tanchjim bunny dsp

那换成天玑Bunny DSP吧。

So I accidentally Urd just recently and now I'm afraid to get Que.

所以我最近不小心入手了Urd，现在都不敢买Que了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785431951382073.png

>>109411316

uuh just buy it

呃，直接买呗。

>>109411316

i just eqd to it, and it sounds pretty good and has good techs too

我给它做了EQ，听起来很不错，技术力也不错。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785434515010075.png

tech doesnt exist

“技术力”根本不存在。

>techs are stored in the fr

>“技术力”是存在在频率响应（FR）里的

>techs don't exist

>“技术力”不存在

if it's in the fr, then it exists. Stop contradicting yourself

既然它存在在频率响应里，那它就是存在的。别自相矛盾了。

>starting discussion with soulless npc golem

>跟没有灵魂的NPC傀儡开启讨论

anon, have some dignity

匿名者，有点骨气行不行。

>>109411926

Techs are stored in the balls.

Techs都被储存在球囊里了。

Let's be honest, we can believe in EQ, techs, balls, 5usd shitbuds, 100usd, 300 usd, 500 usd, kilobuck iems, diminishing returns and so on but if money wasn't problem entire general would rock Strom, Hex, Fugaku and shill it everywhere.

说实话，我们可以相信EQ、技术力、低频量感、5美元的垃圾豆、100美元、300美元、500美元、千元级甚至万元级的IEM、边际效应递减等等。但如果钱不是问题，整个论坛都会去吹爆Strom、Hex、Fugaku，并且到处安利。

5usd shitbud believer is 1 H1B visa away from being 300 usd shitbud believer, 300 shitbud believer is one good year from being kilobuck shitbud believer and so on.

相信5美元垃圾豆的人，离了H-1B签证就能变成相信300美元垃圾豆的人；相信300美元垃圾豆的人，过好一年就能变成相信千元级垃圾豆的人，以此类推。

Do you know who eq is for?

你知道EQ是给谁用的吗？

It's for poor people.

是给穷人用的。

How does QCY MeloBuds N20 fare against Space Travel (1st gen)? I know battery lasts much longer, but what I'm most interested in is ANC performance

QCY MeloBuds N20和Space Travel（初代）对比怎么样？我知道电池续航长很多，但我最关心的是ANC（主动降噪）性能。

>>109410926

EarPods

kind of pathetic trying to justify kilopos. actual high rollers dont try and justify it, they just enjoy. trying to justify something just gives the impression that you're coping and spent beyond your means, so you try to convince yourself that it was actually worth it because balltechdistortionharmonicsyourejustpoorbro.

试图为千元以上耳机找借口真是有点 pathetic（可悲）。真正的高消费群体根本不会去解释，他们只是享受。试图去“合理化”某样东西，只会给人一种你在自我安慰、花了超出你承受能力的钱，然后拼命说服自己它“值得”，毕竟什么“低频量感、技术力、失真、谐波”，你个穷逼。

>>109412217

They hated him because he told them the truth.

他们讨厌他，因为他说了真话。

>>109412217

For the first time I just tried to EQ my one pos to other pos based on squig and they sound at least 15% different. Even if they matchup to that 3-5% I would still get more pos instead of EQing.

我第一次尝试根据Squig（频率响应曲线）把我的1美元耳机EQ到另一个1美元耳机的样子，结果听起来至少差了15%。就算它们有3-5%的匹配度，我还是会去买另一只耳机而不是靠EQ。

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>>109412217

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785441783139247.gif

>>109412332

>spent beyond your means

>花了超出承受能力的钱

Unironicaly stop being poor and projecting that people can't handle money. IEMs are one of the few hobbies in this economy where summit fi is obtainable to shitload of people. $6K for one purchase is that much? I'm not even middle class, europoor and rotate through $4-$5K of audio gear.

别他妈真觉得你只是穷，别把自己那套“别人处理不了钱”的投射强加于人。在这个经济环境下，IEM是唯一能让大众触及“顶峰Hi-Fi”爱好的领域之一。6000美元一次的消费算多吗？我甚至算不上中产，在欧洲算穷光蛋，但我轮流转手价值4000-5000美元的音响器材。

>>109412332

I wasn't talking about spending more than u can. I was talking about that state where u spending extra cash on your hobby without any side effects in your life. If money isn't problem you will buy most expensive shit hobby can offer. But for most money is problem so here goes cope with shitbuds, EQ, diminishing returns and so on. I'm not talking about 3rd worlder selling his daughter just to buy more expensive IEMs but be sure, seconds after he sell his daughter entire cope with EQ and 5usd shitbuds will disappear and he will treat himself with shiny new multi driver set from AliExpress worth 100USD

我说的不是让你花超出你负担能力的钱，而是指那种你在爱好上额外花钱，但生活其他方面毫无负面影响的状态。如果钱不是问题，你肯定会买这个爱好领域里最贵的玩意儿。但对大多数人来说，钱是个问题，所以就开始扯什么“妥协”、“EQ（均衡器）”、“边际效应递减”之类的。我不是说那些卖女儿也要买更贵入耳式耳机（IEM）的穷鬼，但你要相信，在他卖掉女儿的那一瞬间，所有关于EQ的借口和5块钱的破烂耳机都会烟消云散，他会立刻给自己整一副价值100刀的、闪烁着光芒的多单元动铁耳机（来自速卖通）。

>>109412217

>It's for poor people.

>这是给穷人用的。

wrong

EQ is for people with brains. Doesn't matter how expensive your gear is it's always better to EQ

EQ是给有脑子的人用的。不管你设备多贵，做EQ总是更好的。

>>109412217

That explains why all 10k+ home theater setups have EQ.

这就解释了为什么所有1万美金以上的家庭影院系统都有EQ。

>>109412479

>EQing to other pos

>把其他垃圾设备EQ成这个垃圾的样子

That's brown sharur shit. Any physically existing IEM won't have the best tuning for you because nobody makes IEMs for 1 person.

那纯属扯淡。任何物理上存在的入耳式耳机都不会是你的“最佳调音”，因为没人会只为一个人做耳机。

>f money wasn't problem entire general would rock Strom, Hex, Fugaku and shill it everywhere.

>如果钱不是问题，整个耳机圈早就都在吹斯特隆（Strom）、Hex、Fugaku，到处打广告了。

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>>109412332

a ps5 pro costs more than a kilobuck where i live. it's not that big of a deal if you prioritize toward it. it's just an unusual category to spend money in so maybe it feels like more than it is. spending the same or more money on a phone is fully accepted for example and lots of other things. id agree more if you were talking about totl stuff

在我这地方，PS5 Pro的价格超过一千刀。如果你把优先级放在它上面，这也不算啥大事。只是因为它属于那种不太常见的消费品类，所以可能会让人觉得比实际更贵。比如花同样多甚至更多的钱买手机，大家就完全能接受，其他很多东西也一样。如果你说的是TOTL（顶级旗舰）设备，我倒是会更同意你。

it seems like maybe you were. i still think its important to remember to prioritize well. dont spend too much on garbage you dont really need and you can allocate it to nice stuff instead. look at me for example i'm poor but i own kilopos

看起来你之前好像确实是这么想的。但我依然认为记得合理分配优先级很重要。别在真正不需要的垃圾上花太多钱，可以把钱花在好东西上。看看我，虽然穷，但我手里也有千元级设备（kilopos）。

Even if kilopos sounded like its price there would still be many reasons to not use it, like >>109412994

即使“千元机”听起来物有所值，还是有很多理由不这么干，比如 >>109412994 里说的那些。

>>109413062

yeah i guess people would just say not buying it IS prioritizing well. its hard to gauge how much of that is cope vs sincere. its all over the place probably

是啊，我想人们大概会说“不买它就是合理分配优先级”。很难衡量这当中有多少是自我安慰（cope），有多少是真心话。估计情况很复杂，不一而足。

why is EDC Pro EQd to YU9 Que so good, bros?

为什么把EDC Pro EQ成YU9 Que的效果这么好，兄弟们？

I plug expensive IEMs into cassette players... and I'm not really hearing the "analogue warmth."

我直接把千元级耳机插到磁带录音机里……但我根本没听到所谓的“模拟温暖感”。

Although plugging electrostatic IEMs into cassette players really does increase the "analogue static hiss" by a factor of x10.

不过，把静电耳机插到磁带录音机里，确实能让“模拟底噪嘶嘶声”放大10倍。

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>>109411926

Not everything measurable is audible. Measurement equipment is much better than ears. There's a reason many companies are fine with 3dB unit variation. DAC SINAD is an even worse offender. On the other hand many audible things are not real at all. It's well known that a silver headphone will sound brighter than a black headphone, even if it's exactly the same headphone. Blind ABX tests solve this.

并非所有可测量的都能听到。测量设备比人耳靠谱多了。很多厂商对3dB的设备偏差都能接受，这就是原因。DAC的信噪比（SINAD）指标更是糟糕透顶。另一方面，很多能听到的东西其实根本不是真的。众所周知，银色耳机听起来会比黑色耳机更明亮，哪怕它们完全是同一款耳机。盲听ABX测试能解决这些问题。

>>109413254

There are no orange LEDs, of course it doesn't sound warmer.

当然没有橙色的LED，所以听起来才不会更温暖。

>>109408850

Sometimes I want my pos to be more bassy with some tracks or bass light with others. That's all

有时候我希望我的垃圾设备在某些曲目上低音多点，有些曲目上低音少点。就这些。

>>109390789

Why is there an IEM general, yet no headphone general?

为什么有入耳式耳机版块，却没有头戴式耳机版块？

My Q35s are really struggling and need more repairs, now that the ANC has stopped working.

我的Q35现在真的快撑不住了，需要更多维修，因为降噪功能已经坏了。

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>>109413610

apple and sennheiser solved headphones so no need

苹果和森海塞尔已经把耳机问题解决了，所以没必要折腾

>>109413610

They will say headphones are solved and then name pos that changes its sound by 10dB from pad wear. The real answer is because all headphones are shit.

他们就会说耳机已经解决了，然后甩出一个耳垫磨损后频响偏移10dB的垃圾产品出来。真相是，因为所有耳机都烂透了。

>>109413625

Well well well.

哎哟哟。

>>109413630

>They will say headphones are solved and then name pos that changes its sound by 10dB from pad wear.

>他们就会说耳机已经解决了，然后甩出一个耳垫磨损后频响偏移10dB的垃圾产品出来。

just buy new pads dummy

买个新耳垫啊，蠢货

readily available parts is also a part of headphones being solved

配件容易买到也是耳机问题被“解决”的一部分

>>109412217

based

>>109408850

>You could EQ tracks if they're poorly produced I guess.

>如果音源制作得烂，你大概可以EQ一下。

pretty ignorant statement. producing music has nothing to do with mixing/mastering. it's an entirely different process and when done professionally, is handled by specific people: producers, mixing/mastering engineers.

这话太无知了。音乐制作和混音/母带处理根本不是一回事。那是完全不同的流程，专业上由专门的人负责：制作人、混音/母带工程师。

once more, producing a track isn't equivalent to mixing/mastering. hope this helps.

再说一次，制作音轨不等于混音/母带处理。希望这能帮到你。

and eqing tracks to personal listening taste individually is pretty psychotic imho

而且为了个人听感去单独EQ音轨，在我看来简直疯了一样

>>109409454

>What is the 2026 modern day equivalent of the moondrop chu2

>2026年现代版的月滴 Chu2 替代品是什么

you're the one who should know. you're the iem goblin with all the goddamn knowledge

你应该最清楚。你是那个懂各种破知识的入耳式耳机地精