/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General

Fish edition

鱼版

How to request advice:

如何寻求帮助：

>Budget

>Intended use (media, source, environment)

>用途（媒体、音源、使用环境）

>Frequency response preference and music examples

>频响偏好及音乐示例

>Past gear and your thoughts on them

>用过的设备及你的评价

FAQ:

>Where do I buy IEMs?

>我在哪里买IEM？

Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

亚马逊、速卖通、Linsoul、Hifigo、Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):

>购物指南（IEM、PMP、线材、耳塞套等）：

https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Journal:

>/iemg/ 的日志：

https://iemgazette.pages.dev/

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):

>EQ指南（EQ入门、目标曲线、迷思与误解、论文等）：

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>Measurements:

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:

>预算款有线包耳式IEM：

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22

• Truthear Gate（轻微V型） - $22

• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

• EPZ Q1 Pro（V型） - $35

>Bullet IEMs:

>子弹头IEM：

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30

• Sony IER-EX15C（暖/暗） - $30

• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140

• Etymotic ER2XR（偏中性） - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:

>平头耳塞：

• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5

• NICEHCK Vido（暖） - $5

• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

• Yincrow X6（暖） - $10

>USB-C DACs:

• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8

• JCally JM6（非Pro版） / CX Pro - $8

• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18

• JadeAudio JIEZI（10段PEQ） - $18

• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38

• TRN Black Pearl（10段PEQ） - $38

• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

• Qudelix 5K（20段PEQ/GEQ） - $110

>PMPs:

• HiBy R1 - $85

• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:

• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

• 多单元动铁/动圈混合单元使用主板音频

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>>109390887

EQ them with spices and salad dresing

用香料和沙拉酱来调EQ

>>109390601

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i want to buy a meme chi fi iem for as cheap as possible

我想买个极其便宜的梗向Chi-Fi入耳式耳机

i do not care about sound quality, just that it has maximal cringe or goofy aura

我不在乎音质，只要求它能有极致的尴尬感或沙雕气场

Anyone got experience with 1MORE? I really like the aesthetic of these but the price is pretty hefty and I can't find too much reliable information on it. I want new buds for my iPod Classic. Any good recs to go with that if these are shit?

有人用过1MORE吗？我真的很喜欢这款的外观，但价格有点贵，而且找不到太多可靠的信息。我想给iPod Classic换副新耳机，如果这款不行的话，有什么推荐吗？

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XSJV5B9

>>109390789

reminder that FR is all that matters and can be EQ'd.

提醒一下，FR（频响曲线）才是唯一重要的，而且可以通过EQ调整。

good day anons !

大家早上好！

Any rec for a 2 pins cable that you KNOW is light pls ?

有没有大家亲测确实轻的2pin线材推荐？

I like the tripowin, but the weight of the metal piece is really straining on my ears with time, so I'm looking for something as good but without a litteral sinker on the line.

我喜欢Tripowin的线材，但那个金属配重块时间长了真的压耳朵，所以我想要一款效果差不多但没有那种明显坠线的替代品。

>>109392007

There is many bullet style iems on AliExpress, some with detachable 2pin cable because I think it's weak point of wired audio. Start with typing Moondrop quarks or bullet style iem there and u will find something interesting

AliExpress上有很多子弹头造型的IEM，有些是可换2pin线材的，因为我觉得有线音频的弱点就在这里。试着搜一下Moondrop Quarks或者bullet style iem，你会发现有意思的东西。

>>109392306

What u can do is buy 5usd shitbuds on AliExpress, cables are pretty shit but they are light so it can be sourced from them. More expensive shit is usually on thicker side because as u know, thickness is premium

你可以买AliExpress上5美元的廉价耳机，线材虽然很渣但是很轻，可以拆下来用。稍贵一点的垃圾通常线比较粗，因为你知道的，厚度就是高级感。

drinking cold beer, listening to music

喝着冰啤酒，听着音乐。

>>109392306

gate's cable

Gate的线材。

>>109391967

cvj kira

CVJ基拉

>Managed to drop my TWS in the toilet

>把TWS耳机掉马桶里了

>After I peed, of course

>当然是尿完尿之后掉的

I have no reaction face pic suiting enough to attach to my post. Let's just say they're ruined, and not just with water.

我找不到合适的表情包来配图表达我的心情。总之就算坏了吧，而且不仅仅是进水那么简单。

I'm in the market for a new pair. The Moondrop pudding caught my eyes, I was already in the market for a better battery life, it should fit the bill. Also cheap enough as these things never last long with me. Worse than cable ones, if that was possible.

我正在找新耳机。Moondrop Pudding引起了我的注意，我本来就想换个续航更好的，它应该符合要求。而且价格便宜，反正我也不会用很久。比线控耳塞还容易坏，如果可能的话。

How's the audio leak with the Pudding? I don't want everyone in the office to hear my kawaii uguuu music. I find TWS to be severely lacking in that area, from what I could hear from other people using them.

Pudding的漏音情况怎么样？我不想让办公室里的人听到我的kawaii uguuu音乐。根据我听别人用TWS的体验，它们在防漏音方面做得太差了。

>>109393422

Wouldn't have happened to a wired IEM.

如果是有线IEM就不会发生这种事了。

>>109391967

>maximal cringe

>极度尴尬

everything other than storm

除了Storm之外的所有

>>109393562

>BA bass

>BA动铁低音

Now that's cringe.

这下真够尴尬的。

Say My Name

说出我的名字

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>>109393551

You'd be surprised!

你会有意想不到的惊喜！

>>109393618

is this a viable way to wear a music player?

把音乐播放器这么挂着戴合法吗？

>>109393422

pudding seals well, adn you can use any eartips to get a good fit and insertion depth

Pudding密封性很好，你可以用任何耳塞套来获得良好的贴合度和插入深度。

/iemg/ Dogma Check

/iemg/ 教条检查

Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

受够了群体思维？这是给你开的理智剂量：

>Crinacle is not your priest.

>Crinacle不是你的神父。

Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

排名只是参考，不是神圣经文。你的耳朵 > 他的电子表格。

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.

>Harman曲线和JM-1 ≠ 完美。

It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

那只是偏好曲线，不是物理定律。有些曲风需要偏离。

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.

>国砖（Chi-Fi）不是魔法。

Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

性价比确实高。能免疫品控问题和炒作周期？别逗了。

>Graphs are not sound.

>图表不等于声音。

They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

他们根本不上台展示动态和佩戴贴合度。用耳朵听，别光看那些频谱曲线。

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.

>双动圈（BA）≠ 金属音，DD（动圈）≠ 完美。

Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

调音实现比单元类型更重要。一直都是这样。

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.

>热门推荐清单并不是入耳式耳机圈的全貌。

If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

如果一个耳塞不是被24/7无脑吹捧，那它可能依然很好。非常鼓励大家形成自己的独立观点。

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.

>持不同意见 ≠ 自我安慰或耳聋。

Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

让人家喜欢他们喜欢的，别在那气得口吐白沫。

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.

>帖子声音大 ≠ 观点高明。

Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

没有经验的自信只是噪音。请出示数据图、听感描述，或者两者都提供。

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

以上就是你们从“头趴（耳友）群体思维”中获得的定时休息。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4uNWZr-p3w

cca cra rev 1s got snapped off at the pins

CCA CRA REV 1s的2pin接口被拧断了。

what is the closest equivalent in anno dominoes 2026?

2026年Anno Dominoes中最接近的等效型号是什么？

>>109394135

KZ Saga (Bass version if you like bass)

KZ Saga（如果你喜欢低音，选低音版）

KZ EDC Pro

KZ Vibe X (also if you like bass)

KZ Vibe X（同样，如果你喜欢低音）

Foxzo won

Foxzo赢了

Techs won.

Techs赢了。

>>109394550

techs literally can't POSSIBLY exist

Techs这帮人根本不可能存在好吧

>>109394162

arigato I'll let you know which one is the closest

谢谢，我会告诉你哪个是最接近的

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which waner II is the best waner II

哪个Waner II是最佳的Waner II？

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>>109394740

shit looks exactly the same lol

这看起来完全一模一样啊 lol

Should I remove the grille from my IEMs so I can hear better?

我应该把IEM的防尘网拆掉吗？这样能听得更清楚吗？

>>109394612

Techs are stored in the balls.

Techs都被储存在球囊里了。

>>109394612

Explain the techs section in precog's ranking then

那请解释一下Precog排名里的Techs部分吧

>>109394810

precog is a faggot

Precog是个傻逼

Has anyone made wired earbuds with active noise cancelling?

有人做过带主动降噪功能的有线耳塞吗？

What's the best model to block out voices

哪款型号对阻挡人声最有效？

female voices would already be good enough

只要能挡住女声就足够了

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>>109394962

Bose QuietComfort 20 is quite popular among cs2 pro players

Bose QuietComfort 20在CS2职业玩家中挺受欢迎的

I don't really know anything about audio but I have sennheiser cx 300 earbuds.

我对音频一窍不通，但我有一副森海塞尔CX 300耳塞。

Would any iems basically be an upgrade from these? Even like the super cheap ones recommended in the OP?

有什么IEM基本上都能算是对这些的升级吗？哪怕是OP里推荐的超便宜型号？

I guess my general use case would be for gaming and voice comms.

我想我的主要用途大概是打游戏和语音通讯。

>>109395337

pretty much any well regarded IEM (starting from $1 EDC pro) will be an upgrade over shit like cx 300

基本上，任何口碑不错的入耳式耳机（从1美元起步的EDC Pro）都会比CX 300那种垃圾强得多。

Never tried IEMs before. Are the Moondrop Chu II good? I like my DT 770s but I'm getting tired of wearing headphones all day.

以前没试过入耳式耳机。月影 Chu II 怎么样？我很喜欢我的 DT 770，但整天戴耳机让我快受够了。

>>109395441

You cen start with any cheap AliExpress shitbud like GK kunten if chu 2 is too expensive for you. They will do, wearing IEM is bit different sensation because pressure point are in you ears, sometimes people dont like that sensation. But yeah, chu 2 or any other random 1 dynamic driver chink iem will be good place to try it. Usually multi driver iems are larger. Usually iems with wanting holes are more comfortable but offers less sound isolation. Usually silicon tips are easier to wear for long time than memory foam tips. Usually it's better not to use that shit after showers or with wet ears because of ear infections and killing drivers

如果你嫌 Chu 2 太贵，可以先从 AliExpress 上的廉价国产动铁/动圈开始，比如 GK kunten。它们也能用，只是戴入耳式耳机的感觉有点不同，因为压力点在耳道里，有些人不太喜欢那种感觉。不过说实话，Chu 2 或者其他随便哪个国产单动圈入耳式耳机都是不错的尝试起点。通常多单元入耳式耳机体积更大。通常带泄压孔的入耳式耳机佩戴更舒适，但隔音效果较差。通常硅胶耳塞比记忆海绵耳塞更适合长时间佩戴。另外，通常不建议在洗澡后或耳朵潮湿时使用入耳式耳机，因为这会导致耳部感染并烧坏单元。

>>109394751

Techs are different pal

铳科那完全是另一回事。

>>109395540

nta, in what ways, and by how much?

不是啊，具体在哪方面、有多大差别？

time to creditcardmax

是时候让信用卡刷爆了。

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>>109396247

omg ribbon techs + harman tuning

我的天，平板单元技术 + Harman 调音！

we need it !

我们需要它！

>>109396247

this isn't the storm waitlist...

这又不是 Storm 的排队名单……

Howx are the moondrop chu II compared to Sony IER-EX15C?

月影 Chu II 和索尼 IER-EX15C 相比如何？

>>109396205

well red lion is obviously red and as we all know red is 3 times faster (driver)

好吧，红狮子肯定是红色的，而且众所周知红色速度是三倍（指单元响应）。

>>109396694

I thought it was the mean face that made it aggressively faster?

我以为让它 aggressively faster（激进地更快）的是那张严肃的脸？

>>109396247

i paid 150 for my ribbon headpos. i'll just eq it to fr-1 target

我的平板头戴式耳机花了 150 刀。我就把它 EQ 到 FR-1 目标曲线吧。

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/hpg/ is dead

/hpg/ 已经死了。

Thoughts on the Noble Audio Artemis?

对 Noble Audio Artemis 有什么看法？

after loving my multi-driver IEM, I really want to try something that in full sized Headphones

在爱上我的多单元入耳式耳机后，我真的很想试试全尺寸头戴耳机。

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>>109397496

need to see measurements and reviews

需要看到测量数据和评测。

what thoughts can be there? shit's probably dogshit but we'll see

能有什么看法？这玩意儿估计是一坨屎，但咱们走着瞧。

>>109397613

>need to see

>需要看到

>shit's probably dogshit

>估计是一坨屎

>but we'll see

>但咱们走着瞧

>we'll make our judgements based on not ever hearing it.

>我们甚至没听过它就要做判断了。

grim

>>109397496

>$900 USD wireless

>900 美元无线

that is fucking crazy money for headphones by the way, at that price you could get used hd 800's + an amp/dac, lcd 2's,lcdx/ aeon noire xo's, focal clear ogs, stax l700 or a bunch of other stuff, i'd have a really hard time believing anything wireless comes close to any of those in any way but at the same time who the fuck who's into headphone audio would pay this kind of money to even try them? Your best bet is some random wireless/anc fag but most of them are subhumans

顺便说一句，这个价格买头戴耳机真是疯得离谱。到了这个价位，你可以买到二手的 HD 800 加耳放/解码器、LCD-2、LCD-X/Aeon Noire XO、Focal Clear OG、Stax L700 或者其他很多东西。我真不相信任何无线耳机能在任何方面接近它们中的任何一个。但话说回来，谁会为了尝试这些耳机而花这么多钱呢？你最好的选择是一些普通的无线/主动降噪耳机用户，但他们大部分都是“次等人”。

looking for my old wallet in storage and found my t20 instead.

在储物间找旧钱包，结果找到了我的 T20。

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>>109398416

and these two

还有这两个。

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>>109397496

If it's wireless just be normal and buy Bose or Sony, maybe Sennheiser hbd630 or focal bathys if u really need sound quality. For 900 USD there is entire world of good wired headphones that smokes wired shit, for that money u can even buy good quality DAC/amp + good headphones

如果是无线的，就正常点买 Bose 或 Sony，如果你真的需要音质，可以考虑 Sennheiser HBD630 或 Focal Bathys。对于 900 美元来说，有线耳机世界里有无数产品能吊打无线垃圾。花这个钱你甚至能买到高品质的 DAC/耳放 + 好耳机。

>>109397613

people keep saying that multi-driver headphones are very sensitive to ear shape/positioning in relation to the drivers. I still want to try them tho

人们一直说多单元耳机对耳形/单元位置的敏感度非常高。不过我还是想试试。

>>109398812

I already have my modded Fostex T50RP + EQ that are bass cannons, and the HD600 for something more bass light neutral.

我已经有改装过的 Fostex T50RP + EQ（低音猛如炮），还有 HD600 作为低音较轻的中性用途。

I'm interested in the Artemis because unlike those wired headphones It has DSP and multiple drivers.

我对Artemis很感兴趣，因为它不像那些有线耳机一样，它内置DSP并且使用了多单元设计。

Also I'm not willing to spend almost the same money for Bose/Sony knowing their track record with QC and shitty firmware updates.

而且，我不愿意花几乎一样的钱去买Bose或Sony的产品，鉴于它们在品控和固件更新上的糟糕记录。

>>109397830

I'm a sucker for planars. And since these headphones require no amp/dac, It feels like a good deal.

我是平板单元的拥趸。而且既然这款耳机不需要额外的耳放或解码器，感觉性价比很不错。

I've considered a pair of LCDs or DCs, but they're stupid expensive here in Europe.

我也考虑过LCD或DC系列，但它们在咱们欧洲贵得离谱。

R8 my budget amp/dac combo

我的预算是R8耳放+解码组合

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>>109399919

Incredibly jeetcoded

简直被杰特科德（Jeetcode）魔改得面目全非

>>109399895

wtf is even that driver config, never seen something like that in full size headphones, maybe outside DIY space. It feels like bit tryhardig, u can have perfect over ears with just 1 driver without dealing with crossovers, DSP or phasing issues. I wouldnt buy it without extensive reviews research.

这单元配置到底是啥鬼？我在全尺寸耳机里从来没见过这样的设计，可能除了DIY圈子里才有吧。感觉有点用力过猛，你完全可以只用一个单元做出完美的头戴式耳机，根本不用去折腾分频器、DSP或者相位问题。没做过 extensive 的评测和研究之前，我是不会买的。

If u are sucker for planars for that price there is half of chinkfiman lineup (Arya stealth for example), every Moondrop planar ever build (Para 2, Cosmo, Skyland), every Fiio planar ever build (FT1 pro, FT7), i think u can buy entry lvl DCA planars for that price too (even in eu). Some of them are power hungry (like moondrop cosmo or skyland) but most of them require dongle or small portable amp.

如果你对这个价位的平板单元这么痴迷，市面上还有千粉（Chinkfiman，指水月雨等国产高性价比品牌） lineup 的一半可选（比如Arya Stealth），Moondrop（水月雨）出过的所有平板（Para 2, Cosmo, Skyland），Fiio（飞傲）出过的所有平板（FT1 Pro, FT7），我觉得这个价位甚至能在欧盟买到入门级的DCA平板。其中一些确实比较吃推力（比如水月雨Cosmo或Skyland），但大多数只需要一个转接线（dongle）或者便携小耳放就够了。

With wireless i would go with HDB 630 desu

如果要无线的话，我会选HDB 630 desu

>>109396523

Nobody is waiting for that outdated shit bruh, EQ to Hex.

没人等得了那堆过时的垃圾，兄弟，调个EQ到Hex模式算了。

>>109399961

Multiple drivers are a cargo cult. They see speakers with multiple drivers and think IEMs/headphones need them too. They probably even think each frequency needs its own driver.

多单元就是个神龛崇拜。他们看到音箱用了多单元，就觉得IEM（入耳式耳机）或头戴耳机也得这样。他们大概甚至觉得每个频段都需要一个独立的单元。

>>109390789

>Koi IEM's

what model?

什么型号？

>>109399985

i see that they are expensive IEMs company, so probably that is why they wanted to pull it of in larger format.

我看他们家的高端IEM挺贵的，所以可能这就是他们想在大尺寸领域发力试试水的原因吧。

Outside of that ive seen few 3d printed headphones with multiple drivers and there is one hifiman with planar and dynamic subwoofer but i dont think it was ideal design. And last year with companies like senheisser, sjy audio or dca last year proved that there is no need for that and u can make good closed backs with planar or dynamic drivers without issues

除此之外，我见过几款3D打印的多单元耳机，还有一款Hifiman的平板加动态低音单元，但我总觉得那个设计并不理想。而且去年像森海塞尔、SJY Audio或者DCA这些品牌都证明了，用平板或动态单元做好封闭头戴式耳机完全没问题，根本不需要搞多单元。

>>109399961

>>109399985

Like I've said before. I have a really fucking good pair of TWS buds (Huawei Freebuds Pro 5) and their bass feels completely separate from the mids and treble. You can EQ them to be as bassy as you want and It will not color the rest of the sound.

就像我之前说的。我有一副非常牛逼的TWS耳机（华为Freebuds Pro 5），它们的低频感觉和中高频完全分离。你可以随意EQ增加低音，它也不会染缸影响其他频段的声音。

I want to hear something similar in an over-ear. That's why I'm excited for them and not considering the HDB 630 (also I don't really care about the wireless stuff)

我就想头戴耳机也能有这种效果，所以我才对这款很兴奋，完全没考虑HDB 630（而且我对无线功能也没什么兴趣）

>>109400078

although I'm not gonna lie. That driver placement looks kinda cursed desu

虽然我不打算撒谎，那个单元布局看着确实有点邪门 desu

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>>109400078

Not how ears work. Fill in the midbass and it won't sound separate.

人耳可不是这么工作的。把中低频填满了，声音就不会分离了。

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>>109400078

ok, i dont judge. Check chinkfiman isvarna then, i know they are more expensive

好吧，我不评判。那你看看千粉的Isvarna吧，我知道那款更贵点

Didn't even need to look at the graph to guess it has a midbass dip but here it is.

我甚至都不用看频响图就能猜出来它有中低频凹陷，看吧，确实如此。

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>>109400122

thanks! those are really, really expensive though. I

谢谢！不过那些耳机真的，真的好贵。我

>>109400130

That FR was probably measured with the default EQ which is kinda meh ngl. I personally use the bass boost profile since It also adds more vocal clarity or just a custom EQ, hence I say "you can EQ them to be as bassy as you want".

那个 FR 曲线估计是用默认 EQ 测的，说实话有点烂。我一般用低音增强预设，因为它还能增加人声清晰度，或者干脆用自定义 EQ，所以说“你可以通过 EQ 把它们调得低音有多深就有多深”。

Dunno, It feels like black magic. But It may be because there's some DSP correction fuckery going on too

不知道，感觉像黑魔法。不过可能也有 DSP 校正在那搞鬼。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1785318551724399.jpg

holy retard newfags. kiwi ears makes sub-$100 headpos with multiple drivers. nothing about it is difficult or special. other companies just have less of an intention to scam you with unnecessary marketing like noble.

真是蠢货新韭菜。Kiwi Ears 做带多单元的不到 100 美金的耳机跟玩似的。这玩意儿一点也不难也不特别。其他公司只是没像 Noble 那样一心想靠不必要的营销来割你韭菜。

but as is the case with so many businesses, they know exactly how to appeal to their target demographic: moronic "audiophiles"

但就像很多公司一样，他们太清楚怎么吸引目标客户群了：那群白痴“发烧友”。

>>109400464

then please tell me. What other set of over-ear headphones can I get for <900 usd?

那你说说看。900 美金以内我还能买到什么其他头戴式耳机？

I'm always open to suggestions

我一直乐于接受建议。

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eq lost

EQ 没了？

>>109400654

depends on what kind of headphones do you want

看你想要什么类型的耳机了。

I boughted the dyson wireless headphone

我买了戴森无线耳机。

i hate things in my ears i hate things on my ears i hate things over my ears i hate things on my head it's speakers for me

我讨厌塞耳朵的，讨厌夹耳朵的，讨厌罩耳朵的，讨厌顶在头上的。对我而言，音箱才是正解。

>>109401883

nuh uh

才不是呢。

buy iems and stockholm syndrome yourself

买个 IEM 然后自恋斯德哥尔摩综合征去吧。

>>109401883

speakers suck for gaming

音箱打游戏不行。

>>109402004

gayming is gay

打游戏就是 Gay。

>>109400130

>midbass dip

>中低频凹陷

who cares

谁在乎啊。

>judging from clone 711 graph

>根据 Clone 711 的曲线图

grim

>measurement taken from a nobody

>测量数据来自某个无名小卒

grim

>>109402932

Shut yo dumbass up goofy

闭嘴吧你这蠢货，小丑。

>they think 5128 is better than 711

>他们觉得 5128 比 711 好

grim

>>109402942

>>109402947

shut up samefag.

闭嘴，复读机。

5128 is better than a knockoff 711 graph.

5128 比那个仿冒版 711 的曲线要好。

keyword: knockoff. meaning, chinese clone.

关键词：仿冒。意思是国产山寨。

>>109402980

>

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>>109402980

>A clone is an exact copy of a living thing, a look-alike person or thing, or a duplicate software or hardware item

>克隆是指生物体的精确复制品，长得像的人或物，或者复制的软件或硬件物品

Following your definition, a clone is a good thing. "knockoff" is not applicable here. It's not as if 711 is a GRAS patent or anything like that. It's a standard that any company can follow. Btw, the IEC impedance tolerance bands are quite wide.

按你的定义，克隆是件好事。“仿冒”在这里不适用。又没听说 711 是 GRAS 的专利什么的。这是一种任何公司都可以遵循的标准。顺便提一下，IEC 的阻抗容差带挺宽的。

>>109403023

severe cope. 711 is outdated and unreliable in half of the frequency spectrum.

严重的自我欺骗。711 在大部分频段都已经过时且不可靠了。

chinese clone≠parity with what it's copying.

国产山寨≠与被模仿对象一样好。

>>109403050

It’s useful where it matters. You only need a 2 digit IQ to determine if something is poorly tuned. If it’s bad on 711, it will also be bad on 5128, and vice versa. And treble will be completely different for you anyway. 5128 is cope.

在它该有用的地方它就有用。你只需要 2 位数的智商就能判断某个调音是不是拉胯。如果它在 711 上表现不好，在 5128 上也会不好，反之亦然。而且高频对你来说本来就会完全不同。5128 才是自欺欺人。

(无正文)

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>>109403107

>$7.5k

>already mogged by HEX

>已经被 HEX 碾压了

kek

>>109403080

the leap from "711 is useful" to "5128 is cope" doesn't track. 5128 was made to address exactly the problems that came from 711.

从“711 有用”跳跃到“5128 是自欺欺人”这逻辑不通。5128 的诞生正是为了解决 711 带来的那些问题。

and not all clone couplers are the same. if you own one, it's probably trash, so enjoy the actual cope/buyer's remorse

而且并非所有克隆耦合器都一样。如果你手里有一个，那估计是垃圾，好好享受这种真正的自我欺骗/买家后悔吧。

>>109403133

nice try

没门

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>>109403133

Nice try Mysticraft employee but Storm still clears. It's actually got an unique tuning unlike Hex which tries to do some regular ass tuning but fails miserably.

别试了，Mysticraft 的员工，但 Storm 依然能秒杀它。它的调音很有特色，不像 Hex 试图做一些平平无奇的调音却惨败。

>>109403192

>fails miserably

>惨败

nta, but have you personally heard one yourself?

你没罪（NTA），但你亲自听过吗？

>>109403144

You don't even understand what you're talking about. 5128 is called a high-frequency simulator because it adheres to an average impedance better than 711, true. But the error bars are so high in the treble that it doesn't even matter. You can reach the same conclusion with both simulators if you're smart enough, which doesn't seem to be the case for you.

你根本搞不清自己在说什么。5128被称为高频模拟器，确实是因为它比711更好地贴合平均阻抗。但在高频部分的误差条（error bars）如此之大，这根本无关紧要。只要你够聪明，用两种模拟器都能得出同样的结论，但这显然不是你的状况。

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>>109403208

No but I know Storm sounds better

不，但我就是觉得Storm听起来更好

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>>109403212

first you said 5128 is cope and now you're saying you can get to the same conclusion with a 711. those are not the same statements.

你刚才说5128是自我安慰（cope），现在又说用711也能得出同样的结论。这两者可不是同一回事。

if you're saying everyone's treble is different, so 5128 doesn't matter, then why the fuck would a chinese clone 711 coupler be good enough??? human variations don't magically make an inferior coupler more accurate just because "variations exist".

如果你是说每个人的高频都不一样，所以5128没那么重要，那他妈为什么一个中国造的克隆711耦合器就够用了呢？？？人类个体差异不会仅仅因为“存在差异”就莫名其妙地让一个劣质的耦合器变得更准确。

>5128 is called a high-frequency simulator because it adheres to an average impedance better than 711.

>5128被称为高频模拟器，是因为它比711更好地贴合平均阻抗。

exactly my point. literally one of the reasons it exists. but then you still went straight to "it doesn't matter". now it's just about your opinion on if the improvement is worth caring about which is again, an entirely different argument.

这正是我的观点。这确实是它存在的原因之一。但你又直接跳到“这无所谓”。现在这变成了你对“这种改进是否值得关注”的个人意见，这又是完全不同的论点了。

not only are you retarded and contradicting yourself, you're admitting here why 5128 exists: it is more accurate. you're all over the place.

你不仅脑残还自相矛盾，而且你在这里承认了5128存在的原因：它更准确。你的观点颠三倒四。

at this point, you can't even argue that the engineering improvements don't exist because you know you'd be full of shit

到了这一步，你甚至没法争辩说这些工程改进不存在，因为你知道你那就是在放屁

>>109403286

Holy gibberish. I'm saying it's good enough to tell whether something sucks. 5128 isn't giving you any magical edge on that front. And it also has QC variation like any product on Earth.

全是胡言乱语。我说的是它足够好到能判断某个东西是否垃圾。5128在这方面并没有给你什么神奇的优势。而且它和其他地球上的任何产品一样，也存在品控（QC）波动。

Now learn to read and interpret error bars.

现在去学着读懂并解读误差条。

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>>109402932

Shut your bitch ass up, you don't know how IEM graphs are taken at all, you think they're an average of many measurements. Just living in a total fantasy land. For checking QC 711 is more accurate than 5128.

闭上你那张破嘴吧，你根本不懂入耳式耳机（IEM）的频响图是怎么测出来的，你以为那是很多次测量的平均值吗？简直活在完全幻想的世界里。用于检查品控，711比5128更准确。

>>109403320

>QC variation

>品控波动

irrelevant. you can't seem to stop changing the argument. "711 is sufficient to see bad tuning" isn't the same as "5128 is cope"

无关。你似乎停不下来一直在换论点。“711足以看出糟糕的调音”并不等同于“5128是自我安慰”。

speak for yourself about gibberish, your cope is simply, "711 is enough for hobbyists" when all I'm saying is 5128 is a more accurate and reliable basis for measurement, which you can't even argue without turning to kiddy shit insults.

至于你说的那些胡言乱语，你自己的自我安慰不过就是“711对爱好者来说已经够了”，而我一直说的是5128是更准确、更可靠的测量基础，你连争辩这点都做不到，只会转向幼稚的人身攻击。

at this point, I accept your concession.

到了这一步，我接受你的让步。

Hex won

Hex赢了

>>109403365

are you just antsy and needing to reply every time you come up with something? because you're definitely not a separate anon lol. cope harder, you handed me your ass by agreeing with me already, son.

你是不是只是急躁，每次想到点什么就必须回复？因为你绝对不是一个独立的匿名用户，哈哈。继续自我安慰吧，你小子都已经同意我的观点，被我完爆了。

>>109403376

>just let me be retarded in peace

>就让我安安静静地当个脑残

Nah

>>109403397

>>109403386

>"this POS is ass, just look"

>“这破玩意儿真垃圾，看吧”

>shows 711 graph

>展示711的图表

the circle jerk never ends

这种互相吹捧的狗屁循环永无止境

>>109403420

>I don't know how 5128 is better, it's more expensive so it must be better

>我不知道5128哪里好，它更贵所以肯定更好

Meanwhile DCA ditched 5128 because it's less accurate. What are the odds.

与此同时DCA抛弃了5128，因为它不够准确。真是神奇。

>I heckin love JM-1 but I don't know it was created because 5128 DF is wrong

>我超爱JM-1，但我不知道它是因为5128的阻抗曲线不对才被开发出来的

What worshipping youtube reviewers does to a motherfucker.

给那些YouTube评测博主当捧哏会对一个混蛋产生什么影响。

>>109403445

>so it must be better

>那肯定更好

tens of thousands of dollars better

好个几万刀

>DCA

fucking WHO???????????????????? LOL

到底他妈的谁？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？笑死

>>109403453

samefag. just put all your thoughts into one post instead of schizo posting every time you come up with a "thought" lmfao. you're done, my friend. I'm going back to enjoying my PR2 autoeq'd to PRX with the low and high shelves raised to perfection as you sit there conjuring up another schizo post.

同一人。把你那些想法一次性发完别每次冒出一个“灵感”就发一次散裂式的帖子好吗，笑死。你完了，朋友。我还是继续享受我把PR2用PRX的EQ调校到高低频搁架完美匹配吧，你坐在那儿继续构思你下一个精神分裂式的帖子。

what eating piss poor fast food does to a motherfucker

吃那种劣质快餐会对一个混蛋产生什么影响

>>109403477

oh no it's the deaf baldy

哦不，是那个聋子秃头

>EQ to perfection with 2 shelf filters

>用两个搁架滤波器把EQ调到完美

>look inside

>看进去

>disintegrating pads held together with tape

>耳罩都快散架了还得靠胶带粘着

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>>109403376

Well, yeah? 5128 is a cope in this context.

嗯，是啊？在这语境下5128就是个自我安慰的玩意儿。

> 5128 is a more accurate and reliable basis for measurement,

> 5128是更准确可靠的测量基准，

It's not. It's harder to measure with a pinna, and the insertion depth is random.

根本不是。用带耳廓的模型更难测，而且插入深度是随机的。

>at this point, I accept your concession.

>到这一步，我接受你的让步。

I accept you can't interpret error bars.

我接受你根本看不懂误差棒。

>>109403527

Nigga can't even accept that graphs are real. He thinks a midbass dip will show up in one measurement and disappear in another. That's what "inaccurate" means to him. Not a purely theoretical issue confounded by various real life issues that it actually is.

这哥们连图表都不是真实存在都能接受不了。他觉得某个中低频凹陷在一个测量里出现，在另一个里就消失。这就他妈的他眼里的“不准确”。这其实是个受各种现实问题影响的不纯理论问题，而不是他以为的那样。

>He thinks a midbass dip will show up in one measurement and disappear in another.

>他觉得某个中低频凹陷在一个测量里出现，在另一个里就消失。

Well, on 5128 that is the case due to the rocking modes lol.

呃，在5128上确实如此，因为有 rocking mode（摇摆模式）笑死。

>>109403527

>It's not. It's harder to measure with a pinna, and the insertion depth is random.

>根本不是。用带耳廓的模型更难测，而且插入深度是随机的。

Amir is the best case study of this, he's comically fucked up measurements over the years because he still doesn't know how to use his 5128. So you get a fuckton of headphone measurements without proper seals or other errors.

Amir就是个最好的案例。他这些年测出来的数据烂得滑稽，就是因为他根本不会用他的5128。所以你得到一堆密封不靠谱或者其他错误百出的耳机测量数据。

>>109403623

Amir has GRAS. The problems with pinna are the same though.

Amir有GRAS仪器。但耳廓的问题还是一样的。

>>109403642

You're right, I misunderstood DCA providing him 5128 measurements as him using them in the latest review I checked.

你说得对，我之前误以为DCA提供给他5128测量数据就是他在最新评测里用了那些数据。

But yeah, most people doing these FR chart at home measurements genuinely cant get proper seals.

但说真的，大多数在家做频响曲线测量的家伙根本搞不定良好的密封。

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>>109403381

*fox

>>109403881

>Let's measure few things with pure sine wave despite it's irrelevant in real world use, let's skip measurements that won't aid our narration, let's skip subjective audio

>咱们用纯正弦波测点东西吧，尽管这在现实使用中毫无意义，咱们跳过那些对咱的故事没用的测量，咱们跳过主观音频

Is he retarded or just topping shill

他是真傻还是Topking的托？

>>109404054

Both honestly. Dude spent the last month doing "reviews" of sub plate amps absolutely nobody is buying, so I think outside of Shenzhen and DCA nobody wants to go near him.

我觉得两者都是。这家伙上个月还在测些根本没人买的低音炮功放做“评测”，所以我觉得除了深圳和DCA，没人想碰他。

Don't blame them either, you have THS now who will still frame it as "we didn't like it but you might" at the worst. There is genuinely no upside of sending shit to Amir knowing that if he doesn't like your brand he will figure out a way to botch the measurements and not make retractions.

也别怪他们，你有THS那帮人，哪怕是最坏的情况，他们也会包装成“我们不怎么样，但你可能喜欢”。真心没必要把东西寄给Amir，因为你知道如果他不喜欢你的品牌，他会想办法搞砸测量数据并且拒不更正。

>>109404054

Go back to school lil bro where they teach what music is made out of.

回去上学吧老弟，去学学音乐到底是由什么构成的。

>>109404147

Few days ago I watched something about op amps. And guy there was talking about amir's video about it where he skipped few measurements, went thru everything with pure sine wave and didn't even bother to roll opamps and actually listen to it.

几天前我看了一段关于运放的东西。视频里的人提到了 Amir 关于它的视频，说 Amir 跳过了一些测量，只用纯正弦波过了一遍流程，连换换运放仔细听听都懒得做。

I think it's because of him topping is considered as a sources designed to work well if measured in lab environment and not so great if you actually try to use them.

我觉得这是因为他们家主打“堆料”，给人的印象是如果在实验室环境下测量表现不错，但实际用起来就没那么好了。

>>109404264

The crux of Topping is you're paying more to ensure the thing isn't a buggy piece of shit that won't blow up. The quality control on the DX5 II and DX1 II are abysmal, but I've never seen issues with the A900 or any of their upmarket offerings. The majority of their consumer base are e-waste connoisseurs obsessed with getting the "best value", same people who buy FT1s and chinkfiman cans that break within a few months.

Topping 的核心卖点就是你多花钱是为了确保这东西不是个会炸的 Bug 一堆的垃圾。DX5 II 和 DX1 II 的品控烂得一塌糊涂，但我从来没听说 A900 或他们任何高端产品出过问题。他们的大多数消费者都是些沉迷“极致性价比”的电子垃圾鉴赏家，跟那些买 FT1 和中国仿制耳机（chinkfiman cans）并在几个月内就坏掉的人是同一拨。

>someone gets a 5128 rig

>有人搞了个 5128 的改装

>"he's not doing it right"

>“他搞错了”

>has a chinese clone 711 coupler

>拿着中国克隆版 711 耦合器

>"THIS IS HOW"

>>109403902

the usual suspect. can always be counted on to misunderstand basic audio knowledge the same way they misunderstand basic biology. oops.

又是那个老熟人。一如既往地误解基础音频知识，就像他们误解基础生物学一样。哎呀。

>guys, the chinese are cloning a standard

> guys，中国人正在克隆一个标准

Lmaooooooo

>>109404054

>Is he retarded or just topping shill

>他是脑残还是 Topping 的水军

He used to let this dude post on ASR for years with no MOT tag, who would just shit on anything that wasn't Topping/Shenzhen. Until the L30 started exploding and it came out he was a long-term Topping engineer and designer behind the L30 (which was the suspicion on other forums for a while).

以前他允许那个家伙在 ASR 发帖好几年都不用打 MOT 标签，那人就会喷除了 Topping/深圳以外的任何东西。直到 L30 开始爆炸，大家才发现他原来是 Topping 的长期工程师兼设计师，也就是 L30 的幕后黑手（其他论坛之前也有过这个猜测）。

I think every super buggy/faulty "value" product is something he designed for them, which is why he has since fucked off into hiding. It's a good illustration of the type of people Amir props up though.

我觉得每个超级 Bug/有缺陷的“性价比”产品都是他为他们设计的，这也是为什么他后来躲起来了。这很好地说明了 Amir 所力挺的那类人。

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>>109404432

They're using bootleg centimeters or something.

他们用的是盗版厘米还是什么鬼。

>>109404403

Balls are neither audio nor knowledge.

睾丸既不是音频也不是知识。

>>109403176

nice try but hex is superior

试试还行，但 hex 更胜一筹

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i wonder why do audiophiles pick edgelord names for audio products like "obsidian" "dusk"?

我想知道为什么发烧友给音频产品起这种装酷的名字，比如“黑曜石”“黄昏”？

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>>109404787

Because they're edgelords

因为他们是装酷怪

>>109404836

i'm an ecchilord

我是个 ecchilord（伪音控/伪萝莉控）

its over for storm>>109404769

风暴>>109404769 完蛋了

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>off-the-shelf drivers

>现成单元

>off-the-shelf electronics

>现成电子元件

>resin shell

>树脂外壳

>elaborate faceplate

>复杂的脸板

>price = previous flagship price + 1

>价格 = 前代旗舰价 + 1

Yep, it's kilopos time.

没错，该是 kiloPOS（高价低配）时间了。

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>>109405266

FWIW these actually look cool, their blue earth ones are apparently pretty baller too. Only time I've ever considered a kilobuck iem

说真的，这耳机确实挺酷的，他们的蓝色地球版据说也很屌。这是我唯一考虑买 kilo bucks（千元级）IEM 的时候。

>>109405266

>Star of david

>大卫之星

>Kilopos pricing

>KiloPOS 定价

I wonder who is behind this brand

我想知道这个品牌背后是谁

>>109404787

Because Moondrop ShesActually1000YearsOld doesn't hit the same

因为 MoonDrop 的 ShesActually1000YearsOld 感觉不对劲

>>109405587

it's the chinese

是中国人的

>>109404737

bait. you're incapable of learning anything regarding audio to begin with. move along sonny boy

钓鱼。你压根就没能力学习任何音频知识。滚蛋吧小子

>inb4 something along the lines of, "hurr durr I'm the only person that knows anything, everyone else is retarded"

>inb4 有人说类似“嘿咻咻，我是唯一懂行的人，其他人都是脑残”这种话

or some faggoty shit like that. you have a serious learning disability

或者什么基佬 shit 之类的。你有严重的学习障碍

cant remember if it's here or reddit, but i remember someone saying they're getting the artpical raphael. if it's someone here, have you received it yet? how does it sound? which colour did you get? im kinda torn between the white and black one and wanna see how they look irl instead of marketing photos.

记不清是在这还是Reddit上看到的了，但我记得有人说他搞到了Artpical的Raphael。如果是这里的人，你收到了吗？音质怎么样？你选了哪个颜色？我在白色和黑色之间纠结，想看看实物的效果，而不是官方宣传图。

i have the lunar ring and they look dope, the raphael looks kinda nice too for a pretty low price, so im a bit keen on it.

我有Lunar Ring，看起来帅炸，Raphael看起来也不错，而且价格很低，所以我有点心动。

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>>109405266

isnt lucifer like 400?

Lucifer不得要400刀吗？

>>109404769

>>109405035

what's the cheapest (< 1000$) way to get somewhat close even to this level of techs at home?

在家搞到哪怕稍微接近这种级别技术的、最便宜（<1000刀）的方法是什么？

>>109405728

>he's actually offended we don't take balls seriously

>他居然生气我们不把“ Balls”（音圈/音球？此处为网络梗，指代某种音频理论）当回事

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>>109405902

>we

it's only you with the "blah blah blah blah me me me I know it all" faggotry

只有你这个满嘴“blah blah blah blah 我我我 我最懂”的傻逼会这么说

only. you.

只有。你。

nobody with a quarter of a brain agrees with you about your entire dismissal of how audio really works.

稍微有点脑子的人都不会同意你全盘否定音频实际工作原理的那套说法。

embarrassing.

>>109405941

Balls is not how audio works lil bro. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

“ Balls”根本就不是音频工作的原理，小老弟。抱歉让你这么痛苦地认清现实。

how audio really works = my imagination btw

音频实际工作的原理 = 我瞎编的 顺便说一下

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>>109405977

kek, what is this larp.

呵呵，这什么角色扮演（LARP）？

>>109406018

0 books read, 0 IEMs measured, 7 degrees in ball science

0本书读过，0个IEM（入耳式耳机）做过测量，7度“ Balls科学”学位

>>109405977

>>109406018

only an uppity schizo such as yourself replies to themselves as if they're an entirely different anon.

只有像你这种高高在上的精神分裂症候群患者才会把自己当成完全陌生的另一个匿名用户来回复自己。

you failed at wrapping your head around REW. you failed at wrapping your head around audio mixing. you lost, hardcore. I'm actually truly embarrassed for you.

你根本搞不懂REW（音频测量软件）。你根本搞不懂音频混音。你完蛋了，彻底完蛋。我真为你感到尴尬。

>>109405843

It's spiritually kilopos.

它是精神层面的“千倍负分”（kilopos为kilo-dos的反讽梗，意为极度负面）。

>>109405894

probably a used myth would be good tech value

买个二手的Myth应该性价比不错

>>109406054

>your measurements are different from my imagination so you lost

>你的测量结果跟我瞎编的不一样，所以你输了

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>>109406093

imagine choosing to be the opposite gender. out of the both of us, one is an actual nutjob, but you know this. oops

想象一下选择成为异性。在我们俩中，有一个才是真正的疯子，但你知道的。哦豁

>>109406113

Glad we both agree you're retarded.

很高兴我们都同意你是个智障。