literally the cleanest power generation option out there
这绝对是现存最清洁的发电方式。
为什么水力发电没那么普及？
literally the cleanest power generation option out there
这绝对是现存最清洁的发电方式。
i'm guessing it's because most people dont live next to a waterfall
我猜是因为大多数人不住在瀑布旁边。
Something about collisions and corruption in the government and oil industry. There's multiple accounts of the CIA killing people trying to make hydrogen powered cars that are significantly more optimal to power via just water. You would imagine this extends to other machines like computers but instead we're spending billions to people that own the market for their data centers and personal power plants because they want that money and control.
大概是政府和石油行业之间的勾结和腐败。有多个说法称 CIA 暗杀了那些试图制造主要靠水电驱动、效率高得多的氢动力汽车的人。你会以为这也会延伸到其他机器比如电脑，结果我们却花了数百亿给那些掌控数据中心和个人发电厂市场的人，因为他们想要钱和控制权。
>>109367150
NIMBYs & regulators.
邻避主义者和监管机构。
It takes a looooong time to find a place that you can dam up without it getting gummed up in legal challenges.
找一块能修坝又不被法律诉讼搞得一团糟的地方，简直要花超——级长的时间。
>>109367184
>collisions
>collisions（碰撞）
collusion
collusion（共谋/勾结）
>>109367180
>i'm guessing it's because most people dont live next to a waterfall
>我猜是因为大多数人不住在瀑布旁边
Just build your own waterfall make like a loop system and boom infinite energy.
自己造个瀑布，弄个循环系统，然后 boom，无限能源到手。
>>109367221
Delete this economically dangerous post right now.
马上删了这条具有经济危险性的帖子。
>>109367150
Clean? It's absolutely devastating for the environment. Also it's quite good at causing earthquakes, like real ones, not the tiny shit ostensibly created by fracking.
清洁？它对环境的破坏绝对是毁灭性的。而且它非常擅长引发地震，是真的地震，不是那种据说是水力压裂法搞出来的小震。
>>109367221
Unironically you can do sort of that (albeit with input energy). I believe Norway does that sort of thing with excess solar energy or whatever. They use all that energy during bright sunny days to pump water up hill or up into a tower, and then when they need energy later they run turbines off the water coming back down. It's essentially a battery I suppose.
说真的，你确实可以大致做到那样（尽管需要输入能量）。我相信挪威就是这样利用多余太阳能之类的。他们在阳光充足的日子把这些能量用来把水泵上山或者泵进塔里，等需要能源时再让流下来的水驱动涡轮。这基本上就是个电池。
>>109367150
US still mad about not having their own three Georgie's dam
美国还因为没能搞出自己的“三个乔治大坝”而恼火呢
>>109367184
They mismanage and gimp niagara falls all the time. Hydro could be doing so much heavy lifting and they know it but it wouldn't be profitable so they just sell off excess to higher bidders far away andjew the fuck out of the local populations.
他们经常乱管理和削弱尼亚加拉瀑布的水力。水电本可以承担大量重任，他们也知道，但这不赚钱，所以他们只是把多余电力卖给远方的出价更高者，还要狠狠剥削当地居民。
>t.live next to niagara falls, still pay ridiculous prices for electric despite them shippng our electricity that we fund all the way to FLORIDA
>t.住在尼亚加拉瀑布旁边，尽管我们把我们资助的电力一直输送到佛罗里达，他们还是得为电费支付天价
>FUCKING FLORIDA
>>109367150
Not the cleanest. Kills wildlife and changes the weather patterns.
不算最清洁的。会杀死野生动物并改变天气模式。
Cleanest power generation is nuclear, specifically Liquid thorium salt reactors
最清洁的发电方式是核能，特别是液态钍盐反应堆。
How do you generate power for a house without spending anything like solar?
不花钱怎么做到的像太阳能那样给房子发电？
>>109367360
The us has a big hydropower storage station in Tennessee I believe, the problem is that it requires very specific geology and a good water source to work
我相信田纳西州有个大型水电储能站，问题在于它需要非常特定的地质条件和良好的水源才能运作。
>>109367360
This is fucking cool. Exploiting physics makes the world's rules seem retarded.
这太酷了。利用物理定律让世界规则显得弱智。
>>109367341
If you speak about Turkey, they paid for their greed, they hoarded a lot of water they didn't need instead of releasing it downstream to Syria and Iraq
说到土耳其，他们为自己的贪婪付出了代价，他们囤积了大量不需要的水，而不是把这些水放下去滋养下游的叙利亚和伊拉克
>>109367150
for nearly every place in the world fully utilized hydro is just a drop in the bucket.
对于世界上几乎每个地方来说，全面开发水电就像杯水车薪。
>>109367450
How are you planning to generate power without spending anything?
你打算怎么一分钱不花就发电？
Whatever you do you still need to buy the power generation and storage equipment.
不管你怎么做，你仍然需要购买发电和存储设备。
>>109367497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity
>>109367150
>cleanest
>最清洁
It's not. It's actually quite taxing.
其实并不是。它的成本相当高昂。
Hydro power storage is pretty neat though.
不过水电储能确实挺酷的。
Nuclear + Solar + batteries + pumped hydro storage is the future we should aim for.
核能+太阳能+电池+抽水蓄能是我们应该瞄准的未来方向。
>>109367592
Pumped hydro requires a high elevation with lots of room coupled with a nearby water source, it’s very specific geography that doesn’t exist everywhere
抽水蓄能需要高海拔、大片空地以及附近的水源，这种特定的地理条件并非到处都有
A simple water tower doesn’t hold nearly enough water to do much for utility scale you need to be able to put a lake sized holding tank high up
简单的水塔储水量根本不足以支撑公用事业规模的运作，你需要把湖泊大小的蓄水池建在高处
>>109367650
I don't think locality detracts from the merits of the producer/generator.
我不认为地理位置会影响生产者/发电者的优点。
Yes it is geographically particular in a sense, but it can be artificially made if it made sense too, and more importantly, those issues mentioned are of storage and transport not production.
是的，它在某种意义上确实是地理位置特定的，但如果合理的话，完全可以人工建造，更重要的是，上面提到的那些问题是关于存储和运输的，而不是生产。
Shortcomings in battery and transmission, not hydro production itself. In theory if those were solved independently it would still be a good source of power if you could store and transport it optimally.
是电池和传输的缺点，而不是水电生产本身的缺点。理论上说，如果单独解决了这些问题，只要你能优化存储和运输，它仍然是一个很好的电力来源。
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