>be you, boomer computer scientist at IBM in 1960s

>be you, boomer computer scientist at IBM in 1960s

>我是我，2020 年代的“软件工程师”Z 世代

>got hired right out of college, they paid you to get a masters from stanford, you didn't even have to apply

>大学一毕业就被录用，他们付钱让你去斯坦福读硕士，你连申请都不用

>work at bell labs, help invent the transistor

>在贝尔实验室工作，参与发明晶体管

>work at IBM, help invent the mainframe computer

>在 IBM 工作，参与发明大型计算机

>work at apple, help revolutionize personal computing

>在苹果公司工作，参与革新个人计算

>every company you're at is constantly innovating, making new cutting edge products that change the world

>你所在的每一家公司都在不断创新，推出改变世界的新尖端产品

>get paid well and your company actually cares about you

>高薪，公司真的关心你

>never laid off

>从未被裁员

>have a 40 year career, become a millionaire

>拥有 40 年的职业生涯，成为百万富翁

>retire and work as a professor or something because you're bored

>退休后因无聊去当教授之类的

>be me, zoomer "software engineer" in 2020s

就是我，2020年代的“Z世代软件工程师”

>graduate with a 4.0 from state school

>从州立大学以 4.0 的 GPA 毕业

>horrible job market, nobody wants to hire americans, only h1bs

>糟糕的就业市场，没人想雇佣美国人，只要 H1B 签证持有者

>even if you do get hired, all work is complete slop

>就算你被录用了，所有工作都是一坨屎

>bell labs broken up, no longer an engineering company, entire company is marketing phone plans to people

>贝尔实验室分家了，不再是一家工程公司，整家公司都在向人们推销电话套餐

>IBM doesn't make computers anymore, instead does vauge cloud/ai buzzword consulting slop

>IBM 不再制造计算机，而是提供模糊的云/AI 术语咨询垃圾

>apple starts producing overpriced phones and computers with existing technology instead of pushing the envelope

>苹果开始生产过时的技术和现有技术的昂贵手机和电脑，而不是突破界限

>all software development is web development now. even windows start menu coded in react native.

>现在所有软件开发都是 Web 开发。连 Windows 的开始菜单都是用 React Native 写的。

>most startups and new companies revolve around the idea of scamming people or grifting

>大多数初创公司和新公司的想法都是围绕着骗人或行骗

It's like sometime in the 1980s or 90s someone was like "okay that's enough, no more cracked american EEs writing all the code. we have enough technology now, bring in the indians!" and it's all been slop ever since.

感觉就像80年代或90年代的某个时候，有人说了句：“行了够了，别再让那些脑子有坑的美国电气工程师写代码了，现在技术够多了，把印度人引进来！”从那以后就全是屎山了。

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First time learning about Ronald Reagan, huh?

第一次听说罗纳德·里根啊？

>>109364237

Was it him? I feel like Clinton did a lot of damage too.

是他在搞鬼吗？我觉得克林顿也挺损的。

1960s was a pivotal decade.

60年代是个关键时期。

A lot of foundational CS stuff happens.

很多计算机科学的奠基性工作都是在那时候完成的。

But also the decade where governments and other rogue powers decide to really start fucking up the social fabric and permanently hobbling progress.

但也是那个十年，政府和各种其他黑势力决定开始真正破坏社会结构，并永久性地阻碍进步。

>>109364255

I mean seriously. People rave about how we need to be hiring labor from overseas because the people in the east are so smart and americans are so dumb. But then you stop and think about it and like, every major breakthrough in computing was done by some white guy from a middle class home in the US or Europe.

说真的，人们总吹嘘说我们得从海外雇佣劳动力，因为东方人太聪明，美国人太笨。但你仔细想想，几乎所有重大的计算机突破都是由美国或欧洲中产阶级出身的白人完成的。

>>109364231

bring in mexicans and guatemalans to take the jobs from working class americans

引进墨西哥和危地马拉人来抢工人的工作

>yay!

>太棒了！

>bring in desperate indian codemonkeys that take jobs from the middle class

>引进那些 desperate 的印度码农，抢中产阶级的饭碗

>what the fuck!

>我擦！

Lmao

哈哈哈

>>109364312

One works hard and makes good food. The other doesn't.

一个努力工作还做出美味食物，另一个则不然。

>>109364328

So you'd be okay with losing your job to someone who worked hard and made good food?

所以你能接受工作被一个努力工作还做出美味食物的人抢走吗？

What if guys like Larry Tesler could see what happened with AI, he passed away in 2020 at age 74. Or Doug Englebart and Paul Allen.

如果像拉里·特斯勒这样的人能看到现在AI的发展情况会怎样呢？他于2020年以74岁高龄去世。还有道格·恩格尔巴特和保罗·艾伦。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ZLtVYWMV0

>>109364336

I didn't lose my job to them since I don't work the fields. Well not directly anyways, I do crop dusting during the spring and summer when I have time since it pays really well and is way more fun than my normal flying.

我没丢工作给他们，因为我不在田里干活。好吧，不是直接的，我春秋季有空的时候会去搞航播喷洒，这钱给得真多，而且比我平时开飞机好玩多了。

>>109364312

Only rich boomers and j*ws cheered for immigrant workers

只有富有的婴儿潮一代和犹太人为移民劳工欢呼

>>109364312

i mean i never said that was good either...

我是说我也没说过那是什么好事……

>>109364328

also this, at least south american immigrants pretend to be patriotic. a bunch of them voted for trump lol.

还有这个，至少南美移民还会装装爱国。他们中好多人投票支持特朗普呢，哈哈哈。

>>109364353

ANON. STOP NOTICING THIS INSTANT!!

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>>109364328

true, I like white food

确实，我喜欢白人食物

>>109364353

God's cursed people, remember when Jesus cursed the jews and said that rich boomers have it really hard to enter heaven?

上帝诅咒的人，记得耶稣诅咒犹太人并说富人进天堂比骆驼穿针眼还难吗？

he warned you, and you did not listen, notice how six of your complaints are about actual technology being dogshit, you are also flawed in the sense that back then there was lots of things to do or discover, theres hardly anything new that can be done these days without massive investment and it will end up being used in the most awful way probably (see AI), also why are you literally comparing yourself with the people who invented the transistor or X big thing?? you got sold on the idea every that student ends up being tony stark after graduation or some shit? lol, ..keep believing your infinite improvement myth.

他警告过你，你不听。注意你的抱怨里有六条是针对实际技术真的很烂的，你也 flawed 的地方在于，那时候有很多东西可以做或发现，而现在如果没有巨额投资，几乎没什么新东西可搞了，而且最后很可能以最糟糕的方式被使用（看看AI吧）。还有，你为什么真的要把自己和发明晶体管或那些伟大事物的人比较呢？？你难道相信每个学生毕业都能变成托尼·斯塔克之类的鬼话吗？哈哈哈，继续相信你那无限进步的迷信吧。

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>>109364464

>theres hardly anything new that can be done these days without massive investment

>现在如果没有巨额投资，几乎没什么新东西可搞了

i disagree. and the same thing was true for all of those previous advancements i mentioned.

我不同意。而且我之前提到的所有那些进步在当时也都是如此。

ai cost money because of hardware, not necessarily because the underlying technology required it. openai was originally a team of what, like 20 people? Ilya Sutskever led most of the development iirc.

AI烧钱是因为硬件，不是因为底层技术本身非得这样。OpenAI最初就一帮人，大概20个吧？我记得Ilya Sutskever主导了大部分开发。

and you act like previous advancements like the internet, transistors, and personal computing didn't require massive hardware investment too. you do realize that most of that stuff was rooted in US government defense contracts, right? ffs mainframe computers were so expensive that IBM wouldn't even sell them, you were typically only allowed to lease them.

你还一副前几代技术突破（比如互联网、晶体管、个人电脑）没砸过巨额硬件投资的样子。你不会真不知道那些东西大部分根子都在美国政府的国防合同上吧？服了，以前的巨型机贵得离谱，IBM甚至都不卖，通常只能租赁。

>also why are you literally comparing yourself with the people who invented the transistor

>另外你为什么要把自己跟发明晶体管的人做比较

because they were like me? they were mostly middle class white guys (key word, mostly). when i went to college there were many such cases of professors that worked at bell labs or something right out college, didn't really even apply, they got recruited, and then worked on some cutting edge technology like dial up in the 80s right out the gate.

因为那帮人跟我差不多？他们大部分是中产阶级白人（关键词：大部分）。我上大学那会儿，好多这种案例，教授刚从大学毕业就去贝尔实验室之类的地方，连申请都不用直接招进去，然后上手就是拨号上网这种80年代的尖端技术。

these technologies were not created by one single guy like elon or tony stark, they were created by teams of everyday engineers that had salt of the earth upbringing from across america. instead, nowadays tech companies largely ignore the flyover markets, hire mostly from the coasts and overseas, and then on top of that the work you do is slop.

这些技术不是像埃隆或托尼·斯塔克那样由单一天才创造的，而是由来自全美各地、有着朴实底色的普通工程师团队共同创造的。而现在，科技公司大多忽视中部地区，主要从东西海岸和海外招人，更别提你们干的工作全是垃圾。

>>109364231

You think that boomer had his education subsidized by the government in literally one fourth of the amount that a zoomer or millennial did? Most C.S. majors would have never passed middle school in the 50s simply because the tax money wasn't there to put them through it.

你觉得 boomers（婴儿潮一代）的教育政府补贴金额只有如今 zoomers（Z世代）或 millennials（千禧一代）的四分之一？大多数计算机科学专业的学生如果在50年代，连初中都读不完，因为根本没钱供他们上学。

You're not smart, you're just government educated to lower the wages of your betters.

你不是聪明，你只是接受了政府的教育，好让自己比不上那些更优秀的人，从而压低他们的工资。

>>109364511

>You think that boomer had his education subsidized by the government

>你觉得 boomers 的教育政府补贴金额

no? i just think it was cheaper. because it literally was. college used to be cheaper than it was now, even adjusting for inflation.

不？我只是觉得那时候便宜。因为确实便宜。大学学费比以前低，即使考虑通货膨胀也是。

>You're not smart, you're just government educated to lower the wages of your betters.

>你不是聪明，你只是接受了政府的教育，好让自己比不上那些更优秀的人，从而压低他们的工资。

did you write this reply with ai or something. very saar coded.

这回复是你用 AI 写的吗？黑话味儿太冲了。

>>109364328

Mexicans cut corners all the time. Do not buy a house built within the last 10 years.

墨西哥人做事总爱偷工减料。别买最近10年建的房子。

>>109364519

You misunderstand just how low on the social ladder you really are.

你根本不明白你在社会阶梯上到底有多低。

https://youtu.be/dnJLoPkmyco?

>>109364560

Are you suggesting I would've been a sharecropper in the 1960s? All four of my grandparents went to college and held white collar jobs lol.

你是在暗示我在60年代会当佃农吗？我四个祖父母都上了大学，做着白领工作，哈哈。

>>109364601

that's not you though.

但你说的是你自己啊。

>>109364231

Eh, people aren't getting hired overseas either.

呃，现在海外也没人雇佣啊。

>>109364231

All science fields/sub fields follow S curve.

所有科学领域/子领域都遵循S型曲线。

>At the start some genius invents the field,

>起初是个天才发明了该领域，

>Lots of easy discoveries to be made and every year something new in the field happens shaping future history.

>有很多容易的发现等着被挖掘，每年都有新事物出现塑造着未来的历史。

>Every easy and obvious thing gets discovered, problems become harder to spot and harder to figure out, innovation slows down

>所有容易且显而易见的东西都被发现了，问题变得越来越难被发现和解决，创新速度放缓

Also there was plenty of innovation and still is. From 80s to 2010s there was massive improvements to the hardware, videogames got invented and became realistic looking and the internet had plenty of real discoveries up until at least 2005 or 2010 after which it was mostly applying existing discoveries. Now the new frontier is AI in tech, but zoomers can’t get into that because AI requires significantly more in compute compared to work required. Also internet was not actively automating internet developers away, but you can’t say the same with AI and it’s impact on the whole tech sector and beyond.

而且创新 plenty，现在也一样多。从80年代到2010年代，硬件有了巨大的进步，电子游戏被发明出来并且画面变得逼真，互联网在2005甚至2010年之前也发生了许多真正的重大发现，而在那之后主要是应用已有的发现。现在科技的新前沿是AI，但Z世代很难涉足这个领域，因为AI所需的计算资源远比工作所需的多。此外，互联网并没有积极地自动化地取代互联网开发者，但你不能对AI及其对整个科技行业乃至更广泛领域的影响说同样的话。

>>109364511

Most CS grads wouldn’t pass today’s middle school without relearning everything in class because you forget 90% of school curriculum that isn’t related to your job or interests. Look at your old homework and ask yourself if you could do it now with A+.

大多数计算机专业的毕业生如果不把课堂上忘掉90%的课程（那些与工作或兴趣无关的部分）重新学一遍，恐怕连今天的初中都过不了。看看你以前的作业，问问自己现在能不能拿A+做出来。

>>109364719

>zoomers can’t get into that because AI requires significantly more in compute compared to work required

>Z世代很难涉足这个领域，因为AI所需的计算资源远比工作所需的多

you also typically need a PhD or at least a masters to be doing real AI research. i'm sure openAI and google will hire certain undergrads but the vast majority of people doing real ai development have a PhD with a specialization in the field, which is incredibly expensive and takes a lot of time.

而且通常你需要博士甚至硕士学位才能从事真正的AI研究。我敢肯定OpenAI和Google会聘用某些本科生，但绝大多数从事真正AI开发的人都拥有该领域的博士学位，这非常昂贵且耗时极长。

>>109364231

crapple has been jeet slop since day 1

果渣（Apple）从第一天起就是垃圾。

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>>109364759

Yes, also AI research is incredibly centralised. You have Google deepmind, OpenAI, Anthropic, xAI and then whatever Meta is doing as the only real land with enough AI researchers, and each of them has like 300 jobs max involving AI research. Each of their respective companies have thousands in web developers and IT. AI boom in terms of jobs is nothing even close to any software bubble.

是的，而且AI研究高度集中。除了Google DeepMind、OpenAI、Anthropic、xAi以及Meta正在做的（这些是唯一拥有足够多AI研究人员的地方），每家公司最多也就300个涉及AI研究的职位。相比之下，它们各自的公司里有成千上万的Web开发人员和IT人员。从工作岗位的角度来看，AI繁荣远不及任何软件泡沫。

>>109364276

Not every major breakthrough was done by a white guy, and those white guys have nothing do with you. You don't magically become competent and industrious just for being white. That's just woo-woo nonsense.

并不是所有重大突破都是由白人完成的，那些白人也和你毫无关系。仅仅因为你是白人，并不会让你 magically（ magically=神奇地）变得能干和勤勉。那只是些神神叨叨的胡扯。

>>109364876

>Not every major breakthrough was done by a white guy

>并不是所有重大突破都是由白人完成的

yeah you're right it was only like 99.9% of them my bad.

是啊你说得对，大概99.9%都是白人，我的错。

noo saaar india is global leader in computing resource.

不不不大人，印度是全球计算资源的领导者。

>>109364885

That's just in the past, all of the easy stuff.

那只是过去的事情，都是那些容易搞定的东西。

>>109364231

i would have loved to work at bell

我真的很想在贝尔实验室工作。

no kikes, ever, despite being in NYC

从来没雇佣过，哪怕我在纽约市。

> ff to antitrust hearing

>反垄断听证会画面

> (((judge))) says you must break up

>(((法官)))说你必须拆分

> spin off the labs into lucent

>将实验室剥离成立朗讯

> kikes everywhere now

>到处都是犹太人

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>>109364231

>(((someone)))

>(((某人)))

>>109364876

ok one jeet had one optimization algorithm. contrast that with literally everything else in telecommunications from the 20th century

好吧，一个印度佬只优化了一个算法。相比之下，再看看20世纪电信领域的其他一切。

There is no going back, the best you can hope for is collapse, and the system later be reconfigured to resemble the winning system (china)

没有回头路了，你能做的最好的希望就是系统崩溃，然后随后重新配置成类似获胜系统（中国）的样子。

>>109364231

>be a computer nigga

>做个电脑牛马

>becoming an adult just as ai is taking off

>在AI起飞的时候刚成年

>all knowledge imaginable at the cost of three cups of coffee a month

>以每月三杯咖啡的代价获得所有 imaginable（想象中的）知识

>easier than ever to start your own business as you can do the work of a whole small team by yourself, for $200/mo

>比以往任何时候都更容易开始你自己的生意，因为你一个人就能完成整个小团队的工作，每月只需200美元。

Aside from silly property prices there hasn’t been a better time ever

除了那蠢翻天的房价，以前可没比现在更适合入手的时候

>>109364876

Normal distribution

我是个40岁的千禧一代，我觉得扁平化设计是在显示器上展示东西最好、最干净的方式。

>>109365838

>there hasn’t been a better time ever

>以前可没比现在更适合入手的时候

Neolithic?

新石器时代？

>>109365856

You can go live in a cave now, if you want to

你现在可以去洞里住，如果你愿意的话

>>109366136

I can't because human societies don't let you live the life of a neolithic hunter gatherer.

我办不到，因为人类社会不会让你过上新石器时代狩猎采集者的生活。

>>109364276

They just were more skilled than you will ever be. They didn't even have calculators when they were in the school..

他们只是比你厉害多了。他们上学的时候甚至都没有计算器。

Dumbass.

>>109364237

>>109364242

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

>>109364328

> muh tacos

> 哎哟喂，我要吃塔可