/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE

Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Provide specific use cases

提供具体使用场景

State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

说明BUDGET（预算）和COUNTRY（国家），否则绝不帮

Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE

mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, XT M3

mATX：AP201、联力A3、XT M3

ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207/217, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50, BF360

ATX：XT PRO (ULTRA)、AIR 903 Base/MAX、Lancool 207/217、Flux Pro、Meshify 3、4000D 框架、X50、BF360

Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

双腔: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU

Budget: 7500F, 7/9600/X, 225/F, 12600K/F, 5600/X

预算配置：7500F、7/9600/X、225/F、12600K/F、5600/X

Gaming: 9850X3D, 9/7800X3D, 250K, 5800XT

游戏配置：9850X3D、9/7800X3D、250K、5800XT

Workstation: 9950X/3D, 9900X/3D, 270K

工作站：9950X/3D、9900X/3D、270K

>COOLER

AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Lian Li GA II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, be Quiet Silent Loop 3

一体式水冷：Thermalright Frozen Edge、Cooler Master Atmos、Lian Li GA II Lite、Corsair Nautilus RS、be Quiet Silent Loop 3

Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2

双塔风冷：A620 PRO SE、Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3、NH-D15 G2

ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

ITX/>42mm 内存兼容：Mugen 6 Dual Fan、AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-7, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change), KryoSheet (carbon sheet)

硅脂(TIM)：MX-7、Duronaut、PTM7950 (相变片)、KryoSheet (碳片)

*Most listings online are not actually 7950

*网上大多数 listings 其实根本不是 7950

>MOTHERBOARD

Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

避开华擎(ASRock) AM5 主板，CPU 降频/降解问题仍有报告。

On Raptor Lake microcode updates are mandatory, avoid second-hand

在 Raptor Lake 上，微码更新是必须的，避免买二手

>RAM

DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)

DDR5：2x16GB 或 2x24GB，6000CL30 (AMD)，6400CL32 (Intel)

Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

工作站：2x 32GB (预算型)，2x48GB 或 2x64GB (高端)

DDR4: 3200CL16, 3600CL18

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)

>SSD (保持固件更新)

DRAMless: 7100, NM790

无DRAM缓存方案：7100、NM790

PCIe Gen 4.0: 850X

Gen 5.0: 8100

https://borecraft.com/

>GPU

Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt, 5060

预算显卡：Arc B580、9060xt、5060

-Used: Turing

-二手：Turing 架构

*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p

*8GB 显存即便在 1080p 下也已成为主要瓶颈

Midrange: 5070, 9070

中端显卡：5070、9070

-Used: 3080/ti

-二手：3080/ti

High-end: 5070ti, 9070xt

高端显卡：5070ti、9070xt

Workstation: 5090, 7900XTX

工作站显卡：5090、7900XTX

>PSU

Buying guide:

购买指南：

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR

1080p: 24" 165/180hz IPS, KTC H25X7

1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

1440p：27英寸 165/180Hz IPS 屏，KTC M27T6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

4K:KTC M27P6 (miniLED), discounted OLED

4K：KTC M27P6 (Mini-LED)，折扣款 OLED

>OS

Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

激活 Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS

Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans

机箱建议：自带优质 PWM 风扇的机箱

Midrange: Pure Wings 3, Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)

中端风扇：Pure Wings 3、Arctic P12 Pro、P14 Pro (5包装，高转速下较吵)

High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

高端风扇：Fractal Momentum、Noctua G2 (140mm 或 120mm)

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Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

独立思考。不要盲目信任这里给出的建议。

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>A /pcbg/ 适用于每种使用场景和预算！

>Price tracking

>价格追踪

RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities

SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd

GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026

>2026 GPU 层级排行

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews

>电源评测

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

https://www.lttlabs.com/

https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:

给喜欢排行榜的朋友：

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews

>存储设备评测

https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)

https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter

>显示器猎人

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links

>其他有用链接

Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/

A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/

Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

r8 my budget 1080p build

评价一下我的 1080p 预算配置

anything i could save on here?

这里有什么可以省钱的吗？

i hardly even play games these days and if i do its tarkov, poe2 and warhammer tw3

我现在几乎不玩游戏，即使玩也是玩塔科夫、流放之路2和战锤全面战争3

i care not for gaytracing etc

我不在乎那些所谓的“gaytracing”之类的东西

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784935337427801.jpg

>>109363111

Non-poorfag tier

非“穷逼阶层”配置

9950X3D2 and a Blackwell 6000

9950X3D 配 Blackwell 6000

LOL

O

L

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784935520108852.jpg

PSA

If you use PC partspicker to build your rig, make sure you remove affiliate links. If you use PC partpickers and you build everything from in their website, they get a kick back from that.

如果你用 PC Partpicker 来配机，记得去掉联盟链接。如果你直接在他们的网站上购买所有配件，他们就会拿到回扣。

Did AMD announce any consumer chips or was it all AI?

AMD 发布了任何消费级芯片吗？还是全是 AI 芯片？

>>109363175

This is Canadian right? The 5600x is pretty old, at 1080p it might hold your gpu back especially in Tarkov.

这是加拿大对吧？5600X 挺老的了，在 1080p 下可能会拖累你的显卡，尤其是在塔科夫里。

>>109363233

why shouldn't they get a kickback?

他们拿回扣为什么不应该？

its not like you get a discount

反正你也得不到什么折扣

>>109363272

australian

澳大利亚

going to ddr5 basically doubles the ram price and possibly the mobo. maybe theres a better cpu i can get for ddr4?

基本上转用 DDR5 会让内存价格翻倍，主板可能也会更贵。有没有更适合 DDR4 的 CPU？

>>109363175

If you play CPU intensive games, I'd spend a little more on a 9600X. Not much more expensive against the cost of the build. Basically you're just paying more for the DDR5

如果你玩对 CPU 要求高的游戏，我建议你多花点钱上 9600X。相比整机成本，差价并不大。基本上你只是为 DDR5 多付了钱

What's the deal with 9070XT/9070 having overheating issues?

9070XT/9070 过热问题怎么回事？

>>109363341

idk you tell me

我不知道，你告诉我

>>109363347

https://en.gamegpu.com/news/zhelezo/asus-nazvala-normalnoj-temperaturu-videopamyati-100-102-c-na-radeon-rx-9070-xt

Apparently 102C VRAMs on the 9070XT Prime value cards is "Normal".

据说 9070XT Prime 版卡上 102C 的显存温度是“正常”的。

>>109363292

That's at a minimum another $600. More like $700. Appreciate the suggestion but not happening

这至少还得再加600美元，差不多700美元。谢谢建议，但就不考虑了

External HDD I bought for £150 last week, which was literally the last in stock I see has not been relisted at £200. This madness will not end.

我上周花150英镑买的移动硬盘，当时说是最后库存了，现在发现被挂回200英镑了。这物价疯涨真是没完没了。

>>109363374

so we went from 9070 overheating issues to just a specific asus model having overheating issues when running furmark

所以之前是9070普遍过热问题，现在变成了只有特定的华硕型号在运行Furmark时才会过热

>>109363374

That's been normal for AMD GPUs for years they claim anything under 110C is perfectly fine

AMD显卡多年来一直这样，他们说只要低于110度就完全没问题

>>109363341

no overheating on my smaller 9700 XT Reaper, which should be the foremost candidate for it

我的小型Reaper版9700 XT就没过热，按理说它才是最容易过热的型号

but then mine has Samsung VRAM which apparently runs somewhat cooler and could be the reason

但我的卡用的是三星显存，据说跑起来温度会稍低一点，这可能就是原因

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784938176535125.gif

>>109363374

the card will run faster than advertised stock clock until you hit 110c on the core or memory. also you can replace the memory pads yourself, those warranty void if removed stickers are illegal in the USA.

在核心或显存达到110度之前，这张卡运行速度会比默认频率更快。而且你可以自己换显存导热垫，美国法律禁止撕毁保修贴纸，撕了也算违法。

>>109363442

I feel like 110C is really not fine.

我觉得110度真的完全没问题。

I just finished fixing grub not being detected by MSI BIOS. I remembered i broke the thermal paste seal when i lifted the cooler after not screwing the screws evenly. Should i repaste it?

我刚修好MSI BIOS不识别grub的问题。记得我把散热器抬起来时，因为螺丝没均匀拧紧，破坏了硅脂密封。我需要重新涂硅脂吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784938295332301.png

>>109363480

Nvidia hits 110C too but they hide the sensor and dilate the delta.

Nvidia也会到110度，但他们藏起了传感器，还缩小了温差数据。

>>109363286

the 5800x3D is the only upgrade that makes sense at $250, but they're selling for $350+

5800X3D是唯一值得升级的CPU，售价250美元，但现在要卖350美元以上

Rate my build for my friend.

帮朋友评测一下他的配置。

>Budget - $1000 or a little above

>预算 - 1000美元或稍高一点

>Country - US

>国家 - 美国

They will not budge on the case, they really want that even though I told them it's probably the first thing we should cut. Looking for any ways to improve this build.

他们坚持要那个机箱，死活不松口，尽管我告诉他们这可能是我们首先要砍掉的部分。求任何能改进这套配置的建议。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784938593720162.png

>>109363502

Not any more.

不再有这种事了。

>>109363509

Never trust software readings

永远别信软件读取的数据

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784938686760369.png

>>109363516

Oh yeah?

哦是吗？

What's being used to interpret the thermal data seen by that camera?

那个摄像头看到的温度数据是用什么来解读的？

>>109363233

why is that a bad thing?

为什么这是个坏事？

>>109363341

9070xt is a 330w max card it isn't overheating shit with triple fan coolers.

9070 XT最高功耗330瓦，配三风扇散热器根本不会过热。

7900xtx can go up to 450-550w by comparison.

相比之下，7900 XTX功耗能达到450-550瓦。

>>109363507

Get him a RX 9060 XT with 16GB VRAM or a 5060 TI with 16gb VRAM. If you manage to get a X3D CPU that would be pretty good too. I would look to buy shit used if that means paying less.

给他弄张RX 9060 XT带16GB显存，或者5060 TI带16GB显存。如果能搞到X3D CPU那就更棒了。如果买二手能省钱的话，二手垃圾也可以考虑。 ⟖ 我更相信行业验证过的热成像仪，而不是行业腐败出来的显卡驱动。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784939070976808.jpg

>>109363481

Retard.

>>109363560

I'd trust industry validated thermal camera over industry corrupted graphics driver.

我宁愿信任经过行业验证的热成像仪，也不信被行业搞砸了的显卡驱动。

>>109363516

So you mean to tell me AMD's reported 110C could actually be higher?

所以你的意思是AMD报告的110度实际上可能更高？

>>109363516

>Pictured: pny rtx5070ti

>图中：PNY RTX 5070 Ti

Never trust Nvidia's reference vrms and especially not a cost-optimizer version of it with missing phases and thermal pads*

永远别信Nvidia的公版VRM设计，更别提这种砍掉相数和散热垫的缩水版了

>>109363516

Where backplate?

背板呢？

>>109363260

It was a datacenter event for datacenter CPUs, consumer shit is announced at CES, Computex or some YouTube video

数据中心CPU的活动是在数据中心会议上发布的，消费级产品是在CES、Computex或者某些YouTube视频上发布的

>>109363507

Maybe a secondhand small sata ssd just for windows if you can get one

如果能搞到一个二手的小容量SATA SSD专门装Windows也行

>>109363567

AM4 X3D costs like 3 times more

AM4平台的X3D版本价格大概是现在的三倍

>>109363516

That's VRM temps. On modern cards it doesn't get better than 90c in the software report (when it does report) Very different from core hotspot. Most cards have pretty shit VRM temps. Not to mention no backplate in the picture. It would at least help reign those temps in.

那是VRM温度。在最新的显卡上，软件报告里的VRM温度基本都在90度以上（当它报告的时候）。这和核心热点温度完全不同。大多数显卡的VRM温度都相当糟糕。更不用说图中还没有背板，有了背板至少能把这些温度压下来点。

>>109363633

It could but it's unlikely. Mine only ever hit 110c core hotspot when the paste dried out so I'd wager it's at least accurate in that it tells you when shit's fucked. Post PTM the delta was 30c at low fan speeds and it never exceeded 90 even at max stable(ish) overclock.

可能会，但不太可能。我的处理器只有在硅脂干涸的时候核心热点温度才飙到过110°C，所以我敢打赌它的读数在这个层面上还是靠谱的，至少能在“出大事”的时候告诉你。换上PTM（相变导热垫）后，在低风扇转速下温差是30°C，即使在最高稳定（差不多）超频状态下也从未超过90°C。

>>109363507

ditch the cooler, a ryzen 5600 is a 60W cpu, the cooler it ships with is fine. $400 get a Radeon 9060xt 16GB, no?

把散热器扔了吧，Ryzen 5600 是颗60W的CPU，它自带的散热器就足够了。花400刀买张Radeon 9060xt 16GB不香吗？

>>109363633

you can smell it when it hits 95c+. "hot electronics smell" is a distinct smell. some people sniff the steam deck vents because they like the smell.

温度超过95°C的时候你能闻到那股味儿。“高温电子味”是一种很独特的气味。有些人甚至凑到Steam Deck的散热口去闻，因为他们就喜欢这个味道。

>>109363714

I know the yeston waifu gpus have perfume sprayed on them and the heat makes the fumes stronger.

我知道Yeston（盈通）的那些老婆党显卡会喷香水，热量会让香味更浓烈。

>>109363686

I ate it

我把它吃了。

>>109363714

Oh, I wouldn't know, I have a 5080, that bitch don't get above 70C on the hotspot.

哦，这个我不清楚，我有张5080，那玩意儿热点温度根本不超过70°C。

>>109363175

Even in Kangaroos dollars PC building is just to expensive, listen go hire a prostitute and have fun, in the mean time just wait until things get cheap in PC building.

即使是换算成袋鼠币（澳元），组装电脑也太贵了。听我的，去约个炮好好玩吧， meantime 就等着电脑配件降价吧。

>>109363870

>in the mean time just wait until things get cheap in PC building.

> meantime 就等着电脑配件降价吧。

Anon, I...

Anon（匿名网友），我……

>>109363111

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784947890509381.jpg

>>109364315

I mean, it looks good, and I'm not here to shit on your build or anything.

我的意思是，看起来挺帅的，我不是来喷你的配置的。

But god damn, there's like 23 brand names/logos in this image.

但是妈的，这图里起码有23个品牌名称/Logo。

>>109364315

Hey Adam,

嘿，Adam，

Maybe delete this and take one without the pill bottle with your legal name on it?

要不删了吧，拍张没带那个印着你法定名字的药瓶的照片？

Regards,

祝好，

Rory.

>>109364315

>>109364349

Kekked

笑喷了

>>109363175

blud wait for a good gpu deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/search/node/9060

>>109363175

Also you can always get the cpu a lot cheaper off ozbargain as well when someone posts a discount. there's also an aliexpress rep on it that always posts the best cpu deals every time a sale rolls around. it happens really regularly that cpu deals are posted

另外，当有人发布折扣时，你总可以在Ozbargain上以更便宜的价格买到CPU。另外上面还有个aliexpress（速卖通）的卖家，每次促销都会发布最好的CPU优惠。CPU优惠真的经常发布。

>>109364349

kek

呵呵

>>109364315

Take your meds.

把你的药吃了。

How bad is 3rd gen WOLED colorspace? I'm leaning towards the 32GS95UV-B for the 480hz mode and text clarity, but I like colors.

第三代WOLED的色域怎么样？我倾向于为了480Hz模式和文本清晰度买32GS95UV-B，但我挺看重色彩的。

>>109363184

hol up. do you actually have those or are you trying to make it into a meme? if you do have a 9950x3d2 i am very interested in your cinebench scores.

慢着。你真的有这玩意儿吗，还是你在故意玩梗？如果你真有一张9950x3d2，我非常好奇你的Cinebench分数。

>>109364641

all 3rd gen WOLED except for the new RGB striped aw3926qw has bad color volume

除了新款RGB条纹的aw3926qw之外，所有第三代WOLED的色容积都很烂。

>indefinite stall during boot

>启动过程中无限卡死 >CPU和DRAM的POST指示灯亮起后熄灭，但之后再也没有进展

>POST lights for CPU and DRAM light up and shut off but never go further

>POST时CPU和DRAM的指示灯会亮起然后熄灭，但不会再继续

>no output nor power to USBs

>没有视频输出，USB口也没电

>exact same spot every time (Code 63 on MSI Z690, DXE initialization)

>每次都卡在同一个地方（MSI Z690主板显示代码63，DXE初始化阶段）

>reseating RAM, clearing CMOS, etc does nothing

>重新插拔内存、清除CMOS等尝试都无效

So my CPU is kill, right?

所以我的CPU是彻底报废了，对吧？

Posted this a few months ago but still happy with the way it turned out.

几个月前发过这张图，但现在依然对最终效果很满意。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784953169742439.jpg

Do 2.4ghz dongles for peripherals just suck and I should use bluetooth instead or something? No matter where I plug the dongles my keyboard will spam a key press or my mouse will start lagging.

2.4GHz外设接收器就是这么烂，我应该用蓝牙之类的吗？不管我把接收器插在哪里，键盘都会疯狂触发按键，或者鼠标开始卡顿。

>>109363633

nono if software reading align with my narrative they are gospel accurate.

不不，如果软件读取的数据符合我的叙述，那就是福音般的准确。

I just woke up and 32gb ddr5 is $60 right guys?

我刚醒来，32GB DDR5现在只要60刀吗？对吧哥们？

>>109364717

where's the noctua AIO at

猫头鹰（Noctua）的一体式水冷去哪了？

>>109363429

I bought some external drives for 410€ a piece in mid-May and they're currently 585€.

我五月中旬花了410欧元买了些移动硬盘，现在涨到了585欧元。

>>109364717

Amazing how the most overpriced thing in there aren't the Noctua products, but the motherboard.

有趣的是，里面最贵的竟然不是猫头鹰的产品，而是主板。

>>109365015

the gpu is more overpriced imo

我觉得显卡更贵。

its essentially just a TUF with a slightly different heatsink and 3 noctua fans that costs double of a standard variant

本质上就是块TUF主板，只是散热器略有不同，还配了三把Noctua风扇，价格却是普通版的两倍

for 1080p, went up a gen to ddr5. this is about all i'm willing to spend desu. probably could handle 1440p. i checked vids with this cpu/gpu combo in games like tarky and poe2 and seems to run very well. i dont see the point in going an X3D cpu since they're almost double the price and if i did supposedly the gpu would be a bottleneck so i'd have to get the 9070xt which is also double the price

1080p分辨率的话，我选了一代DDR5。这也是我目前能接受的最高预算了。玩1440p应该也没问题。我看了些这CPU+GPU组合在《塔科夫》和《流放之路2》里的视频，运行状况看起来很不错。我觉得上X3D系列CPU没啥必要，毕竟价格快翻倍了，而且就算上了，据说GPU也会成为瓶颈，那样我就得买更贵的9070XT，那也得翻倍花钱

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784957579241127.jpg

I'm looking into buying a new monitor. Should I get a 4k IPS or a 1440p OLED monitor?

我在看新显示器。该买4K IPS还是1440p OLED？

want oled for space sims but i hate 27 inch monitors and it seems oled only comes in 27 or bigger

想要OLED玩太空模拟游戏，但我讨厌27寸显示器，而且OLED好像只有27寸或更大尺寸

fuck guess ill just suffer

操，那算了，只能忍着了

>>109365125

4K OLED obviously. You'll have the monitor for at least 10 years

肯定选4K OLED啊。这显示器你至少能用10年

>>109364703

check your mobo manual for what 63 means

查一下你的主板手册，看看63是什么意思

>>109365153

Any particular 4k oled you would recommend or are they all the same?

有推荐的特定4K OLED型号吗？还是说都差不多？

>>109365163

Yeah, verbatim from the manual it's

对，手册上是这么写的

>CPU DXE initialization is started

>CPU DXE初始化已开始

And it stays on 63 indefinitely. I assume it's not a BIOS problem because swapping to the backup BIOS changes nothing, not a RAM problem because reseating/swapping the RAM does nothing (and two sticks failing at the same time seems extremely unlikely), and boot doesn't progress far enough for it to be anything else.

然后就一直卡在63不动了。我猜不是BIOS问题，因为切到备份BIOS也没用；也不是内存问题，因为重插/更换内存条也没用（两根内存同时坏的概率极低），而且启动还没走到那一步，所以不可能是其他原因。

>>109364703

>>109365204

try a BIOS flashback if your board has that functionality

如果主板支持BIOS闪刷的话，试试看

if the DRAM light only flashes for a split second that means it's using old/saved training data

如果DRAM指示灯只闪了一瞬间，说明它在使用旧的/保存的训练数据

and intel boards don't seem to clear that even with a CMOS reset

而且英特尔主板似乎即使清空CMOS也不会清除这些数据

>>109365168

The latest are more expensive but they have better subpixel layouts. Not sure it's worth the extra cost over 3rd gen QD-OLED like I have. There are a lot of decent 32" 240 Hz options. I would sort by price and then start checking reviews

最新款更贵，但子像素排列更好。我不确定比起我用的第三代QD-OLED，多花的钱是否值得。32英寸240Hz的选项其实挺多的。你可以按价格排序，然后开始看评测

>>109365153

>oled

>lasting 10 years

>能用10年

LOL it cant even last 400 hours of gaming without burn in

哈哈，它甚至撑不过400小时游戏就不烧屏了

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784959351071380.png

>>109363111

I posted last thread about a possibly dead 9800x3d, and surprisingly it was infact the cpu that was dead. Bought a 7600x off marketplace and the system booted up fine. Now I just need to rma. Very surprising, but I'm glad I don't need to change out the motherboard after all.

上个帖我发了说有个可能是坏的9800X3D，结果还真CPU挂了。我在二手市场买了个7600X，系统正常启动了。现在我只需要走RMA退货。虽然挺出乎意料的，但好歹不用换主板了，挺高兴。

>>109365211

I attempted one to no avail, apparently MSI boards are very finicky about it and even with everything set up properly it just idled for over an hour before I turned it off. From what I gathered that's a common situation where if it doesn't like the USB you plug in it'll just refuse to update.

我试过了，没成功。据说是MSI主板对这事儿很挑剔，即使设置全对，它就在那儿待机一个多小时都不动，最后我只能关机。据我所知，这种情况很常见：如果它不认你插的U盘，它就坚决不更新。

Regardless I don't think it's a BIOS issue because there's a hardware switch to swap to a secondary BIOS and even when trying that the behavior and debug code were identical. If a replacement CPU fixes the issue I plan to flash the BIOS again anyway, just to make sure the faulty one didn't fuck with it, but I admit I AM a bit scared of the mobo being bricked because I have no way to test it and if the new CPU arrives and doesn't work then I'll have a whole new mess of potential issues

反正我觉得不是BIOS的问题，因为有个硬件开关可以切换到备用BIOS，即便试过了，表现和调试代码都一样。如果换CPU能解决问题，我还是打算重刷BIOS，以防那个坏掉的BIOS搞了什么鬼，但我承认我有点怕主板变砖，因为我没法测试。如果新CPU到了还是不行，那我就得面对一堆新的潜在问题了。

dream pc costs 4 lakh what the fuck

梦想PC要40万卢比，这是什么鬼

>>109365217

did you try it again

你试过了吗

Taking my 4090 build in this week to see if there's any hope of saving it. 13900K only about 3 years old started giving me trouble even after the bios updates.

这周我要带上我的4090主机去看看还有没有救。13900K也就用了3年左右，在刷了BIOS更新后还是出了问题。

Wish me luck that the GPU isn't burnt out as well, if it is the build goes from a 1k dollar problem to a 4k dollar problem.

祝我好运吧，希望显卡也没烧，不然这1000刀的问题就得变成4000刀的问题了。

Got it before all the parts went up in price, so at least I'll have 64GB DDR5 I can transfer over, 3x 4TB SSDs, and a 8TB 3.5 HDD.

我是涨价前买的，所以至少还能把64GB DDR5、3块4TB SSD和1块8TB 3.5寸HDD拆下来继续用。

>>109365365

what motherboard?

什么主板？

>>109365216

Have-not

没有（没发图/没提供信息）

>>109365392

Maximus Z790 Hero.

Maximus Z790 英雄。

>>109365365

4090 will probably need a repaste on the core by now

4090核心估计早就该重新涂硅脂了

you can salvage it cheaply by just swapping to am5/9800x3d (which are really below msrp these days), assuming your ram is still in good condition and not faulty

你可以低成本挽回，直接换到AM5平台/9800X3D（现在价格远低于官方建议零售价），前提是内存没坏且状态良好。

>>109365365

Bios updates won't fix something already broken. Get a 14900K.

BIOS更新修不好已经坏掉的东西。换个14900K吧。

>>109365424

I heard the 14900K also suffer from the same issues as the 13th gen? Is it really worth it to keep same mobo/go for a 14th gen intel over replacing the mobo and getting an AMD CPU?

我听说14900K也有和13代一样的问题？继续用同一块主板/上14代Intel，比换主板买AMD CPU真的更划算吗？

>>109365428

It does, but if you get a new one with an up to date bios, then you don't have to worry, and it's just a $500 problem instead.

确实有，但如果你买个带最新BIOS的全新件，就不用担心了，而且这只是500刀的问题而已。

>>109365365

>3x 4TB SSDs

Man, that would be so fucking expensive now.

天啊，现在买得多他妈贵啊。

>>109365413

Thanks, I'm in the exact same boat with an MSI motherboard after about the same timespan and wanted to make sure it wasn't just an MSI issue

谢谢，我也差不多，MSI主板用了差不多的时间也出问题了，我想确认下这不只是MSI的问题。

Basically doing what >>109365435 said

基本上就是照着>>109365435说的做

>>109365448

It's worse than an MSI/ASUS issue, it's an intel silicon issue where they didn't bin chips hard enough and simply overvolted the fuck out of subpar silicon to sell as i9s

这比MSI/ASUS的问题更严重，这是Intel的硅片问题，他们筛选芯片不够严格，干脆给次品硅片加足电压，硬当i9卖。

>>109365435

Makes sense, I'll talk with my guy. He's neck deep in repair for the industry and we go way back so he'll give me the rundown. I'll propose the 14900K option and see what he says.

有道理，我会跟我那哥们聊聊。他是搞维修的，我们认识很久了，他会给我详细说说。我会提14900K这个方案，看看他怎么说。

>>109365447

Luckily the drives are fine, I was able to test them myself, I'm cannibalizing everything I can this time around.

幸好硬盘没事，我自己能测试，这次我要把能拆的都拆了。

>>109365448

I also have a 4080 build for my son that's starting to run into similar blue screen issues even with the bios update and settings fixed. Guess that serves me right for not waiting long enough for newer chipsets to burn in and settle before pulling the trigger.

我给我儿子还有一台4080的主机，现在也开始蓝屏了，就算刷了BIOS和调好了设置也没用。看来是我没等到新芯片组稳定就急着下手，自作自受。

>>109365423

I really just need the help of a professional with a testbench at the moment to see what is good and what isn't. Once I get that information I can take the next steps forward. I've never had anything conk out this hard so early before I can't imagine the whole PC completely frying just because the CPU is overvolted for a couple of months before getting the bios update on it. But there were some other strange issues I was dealing with so I'll get it all worked out. Appreciate the advice tho.

我现在真需要有个带测试平台的专业人士帮我看看到底哪里好哪里坏。拿到这些信息后我才能采取下一步行动。我以前从来没遇到过这么早就彻底罢工的情况，真不敢相信整台电脑会彻底报废，仅仅因为CPU超压运行了几个月才刷BIOS更新。不过我之前还遇到了一些其他奇怪的问题，总之我会把它们都解决好的。不过还是很感谢建议。

>>109365496

if you just want a stable, reliable pc, consider picking up a 12900k or 12900ks and just installing that into your existing setup. 13900k/14900k are way overtuned from the factory and their i7 counterparts of the same generations are also unreliable

如果你只是想要一台稳定可靠的电脑，可以考虑入手12900K或12900KS，然后直接装到你现有的配置里。13900K/14900K出厂时就超频过度了，而且同代次的i7型号也不稳定。

>>109365502

I was taking a look at that option too, as long as the bottleneck isn't too noticeable at 1440p I would take that trade off. Then again the machine is primarily for gaming and just normal multi-tasking so no true CPU intensive tasking that would require something stronger.

我也在考虑这个选项，只要在1440p分辨率下瓶颈不太明显，我愿意做出这个妥协。不过这台机器主要用来打游戏和日常多任务处理，不需要真正的高CPU负载任务，所以不需要更强的配置。

>>109363175

Tarkov absolutely loves X3D btw.

顺便说一句，塔科夫（Escape from Tarkov）简直太爱X3D处理器了。

remember guys, computer viruses aren't the only kind of viruses.

记住兄弟们，计算机病毒可不是唯一的病毒。

I'm always super careful with my PC, but I wasn't so careful in my sex life.

我平时对电脑超级小心，但性生活上就没那么小心了。

I let a guy fuck me in my ass, and I got HIV (the virus that causes AIDS)

我让一个男的上我肛，结果得了HIV（导致艾滋病的病毒）。

I know it's not technically computer stuff, but just giving you guys a heads up... be safe out there.

我知道这不算电脑相关话题，但只是提醒大家……在外要保重安全。

>>109365566

i'm so sorry anon :(

抱歉啊匿名人士 :(

>>109365566

must be hard being a mac/iphone user

做Mac/iPhone用户一定很痛苦吧。

>>109365566

Make sure you bleed on any used parts you sell.

记得把卖二手配件时留点血迹上去。

>>109364746

Are the dongles in proximity to active USB 3 cables/devices? USB 3 emits interference in the 2.4 to 2.5 Ghz range.

USB蓝牙适配器和活跃的USB 3线缆/设备离得近吗？USB 3会在2.4到2.5 GHz频段发出干扰。

>>109365448

I set Performance Core Ratio to 50 in MSI bios settings and got a solid boot with no crashes. They recommended 53-54 but I decided to see if I could do it from BIOS to make it solid without having to use XTU after boot and it's working for the moment. Might have to RMA two CPUs instead of just the one.

我在MSI BIOS里把性能核心倍频设到50，成功启动且没崩溃。他们推荐53-54，但我决定试试能不能直接在BIOS里搞定，这样就不用进系统后再用XTU来确保稳定了，目前看着还行。可能最后得退修两颗CPU而不是一颗。

>>109365566

sorry to hear that anony

听到这个消息很遗憾，匿名老哥。

but yeh gotta use protection male or female.

总之男女都得好用避孕套。

I can get a 5800X3D 10th anniv edition for around 390 USD (converted) from Newegg, or I can get it locally for 420-450 USD with 3 years local warranty. Would the local warranty markup be justified or is Newegg's 30 day returns more than enough?

我在Newegg上能以大约390美元（换算后）买到5800X3D 10周年纪念版，或者在当地买420-450美元，带3年本地保修。多花的钱买本地保修划算吗，还是说Newegg的30天退货政策已经足够了？

>>109365872

why would the amd warranty not apply to newegg

为什么AMD保修不适用于Newegg买的？

>>109365093

Don't get the XFX 9060CT

别买XFX 9060CT。

It's loud as shit.

噪音大得像炸了一样。 ⟩ 你那个破地方的ASRock Steel Legend多少钱？

What's the price for the Asrock Steel Legend in your shithole?

你们那鸟不拉屎的地方，华擎钢铁传奇售价多少？

>>109365872

boxed cpus have a standard 3 year international warranty so get whatever's cheaper

盒装CPU标准保修是3年国际联保，所以买哪个便宜买哪个。

>>109365884

>>109365904

I'm mostly concerned because I don't order from Newegg often and I'm not sure whether this is misleading (I live outside US/EU). And it's an online order, in the worst case scenario I'd like to be sure I can RMA a lemon after Newegg's 30 days return period is up.

我主要担心的是我不常从Newegg买东西，不确定这是否有误导性（我住在美/欧盟以外）。而且这是在线购买，在最坏的情况下，我希望确保在Newegg 30天退货期过后，如果有故障品我依然可以RMA。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784970282084220.png

>>109365946

that's only the shop's return policy. you can contact AMD directly for an rma within 3 years of purchase of their boxed cpus and they'll ship one over to you

那只是商家的退货政策。你可以直接联系AMD，在他们盒装CPU购买后3年内申请RMA，他们会给你寄一台新的过来。

>>109365960

Ok thanks, I'll just go with Newegg then for my CPU

好的，谢谢，那我就去Newegg买CPU了。

should just start playing games in 720p so I can pretend that I have a 5090

我应该从720p分辨率开始玩游戏，这样就能假装我拥有RTX 5090了。

>>109365993

You'll also need to volt and power mod it to get it to use 600w and then it'll be an authentic 5090 experience

你还需要对电压和功耗进行魔改，让它消耗600W，这样才能体验到正宗的5090感觉。

>>109365993

you should have buyderized a blackwell 6000.

你本来应该买个Blackwell 6000的。

I could use a new desk, anything particular to look out for besides size/height and a reasonably convincing assurance it won't crap itself under load?

我确实需要张新桌子，除了尺寸、高度以及合理的“承重不崩”保证之外，还有什么需要注意的吗？

>>109366101

SecretLab Desk.

SecretLab的桌子。

>>109366073

It's your chance to buy one for me anon

这是你为我买一张的机会啊，匿名老哥。

Gotta hurry as it's a limited time offer that's expiring in 45 hours

得快点，这是限时优惠，45小时后就要过期了。

>>109366109

the razer of desks

桌子里的雷蛇。

>>109366141

The trick is to look at a desk from them, consider the features you want in a desk, ignore the shit you don't, and then see what you can get from Ikea that comes close enough.

诀窍是先看看他们家的桌子，想想你真正想要的功能，忽略那些没用的东西，然后去宜家里找功能接近的替代款。

>>109366156

how is secret lab and ikea your only two options lmao

怎么就SecretLab和宜家这俩选项了，哈哈哈哈哈

there are heaps of desk manufactures out there who actually build with properly graded materials

外面还有很多桌子制造商，他们确实是用真正分级的好材料做出来的。

>>109366101

the electric standy desks that can go up and down are really good

那种能升降的电控站立式桌子真的很不错。

>>109366173

Do they cost less than Secret Lab?

它们比SecretLab便宜吗？

da oled burn in...

OLED烧屏问题……

AI stole hbm from us...

AI把我们的高带宽内存（HBM）抢走了……

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784977300559949.jpg

I would sooner pick up a rifle and start shooting the people pushing AI datacenters than pay the prices they're demanding for consumer hardware.

我宁愿拿起步枪开始射击那些推行AI数据中心的人，也不愿为消费级硬件支付他们要求的天价。

>>109364717

Nice lil rig I built a second PC and have it running steamOS and it’s been pretty nice to look at too

不错的小机器。我组装了第二台PC，运行SteamOS，外观也挺好看的。

R5 3600 will get a 5600x replacement but the Rx 7600 will be ok for a while. My main rig may get a gpu upgrade from a 7800xt if I see a deal this fall

R5 3600会换成5600X，但RX 7600凑合用一阵子也没问题。如果今年秋天看到好价，我的主力机可能会从7800XT升级到更好的显卡。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784977411427535.jpg

>>109366468

Note: If I've reached the point where I am openly stating this, it probably means actual assassins are already in position.

注：如果我都已经公开这么说，那可能意味着真正的刺客已经就位了。

>>109365168

they are not all the same there's lots of differences it's extremely complex and more new unreleased tech is coming later this year

它们并不都是一样的，差异很大，极其复杂，而且今年晚些时候还会有更多全新的未发布技术。

>>109366468

>>109366480

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784978286871163.gif

>>109363111

>air cooling

>风冷

LMAO tell me youre poor without telling me youre poor (and brown)

哈哈哈哈哈 不用明说我就知道你很穷（而且是个黑人/有色人种）

>you NEED 360mm of copper to cool a sub 100W cpu

>你需要360mm的铜管才能压住100W以下的CPU

>>109366734

The CPU controls all your other parts and it works faster when it's hydrated instead of dehydrated doesn't matter if it's full load or single core turbo.

CPU控制着你所有的其他硬件，当它“水分充足”而不是“脱水”时，运行速度更快，不管是全核满载还是单核睿频都一样。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784980674696577.jpg

>>109366777

You should stop using AI to sound smart and actually learn about computers.

你应该停止使用AI来假装聪明，去真正学点电脑知识吧。

>>109366806

AMD and Intel SKU pages both recommend water cooling for optimal performance. What gets hotter faster a dry pan or a pan full of water? The dry pan will throttle and burn quicker.

AMD和Intel的SKU页面都建议用水冷以获得最佳性能。一个干锅和一口装满水的锅，哪个更容易更快变热？干锅会更快降频和烧毁。

Should I just take the hit and get a 4TB ssd?

我是不是该认命，直接买个4TB的SSD算了？ ⟦ FSP的电源值得入手吗？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784981490218144.jpg

Is the FSP power supply worth it?

FSP的电源值得入手吗？

>>109366836

Yes. Literally just stop acting so poor and you can do whatever you want while these high prices stay high.

值得。 literally 只要别再表现得像个穷鬼，你就想干嘛干嘛，哪怕这些高价一直维持下去也无所谓。

Yeah I'd prefer 4TB SSDs to be like $200 as they were a few years ago but whatareyagonnado.

是啊，我更喜欢4TB SSD像几年前的200美元那样便宜，但你能咋办呢。

>>109366734

This nigger clearly hasn't used a 5800x3d or 7800x3d for making such a retarded comment

这个黑人显然没怎么用过5800X3D或7800X3D，才会做出这么弱智的评论

>>109366836

Yeah. Things suck right now, but that's all the more reason to continue doing what you love.

是啊。现在的情况确实很糟，但这反而更应该继续做你热爱的事。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784981907678942.png

Nvidia drivers still suck ass ok Windows 11 and 10

Nvidia的驱动在Windows 11和10上还是烂得一塌糊涂，懂吧

>>109366836

Get a 4TB external, much cheaper and Samsung is currently being sued for DRAM price fixing. It might end with no change in consumer prices but if it does, do you really want to be double the price in the hole because you weren't patient?

搞个4TB的外置硬盘吧，便宜多了，而且三星目前正被起诉操纵DRAM价格。最后可能消费者价格没啥变化，但万一变了，你真的想因为没耐性而多花一倍的钱背债吗？

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhzmLy

The specific 5090 I'm unsure of, will probably be able to get one cheaper at Microcenter.

具体那张5090我还不太确定，可能Microcenter能买到更便宜的。

For gaming should I just get a 7600x or a 9600x?

打游戏的话，我到底是该买7600X还是9600X？

>>109367228

Astral is a good choice since it let's you know whether the cable is running in spec or not. The white version is better since it has a newer pcb revision that lets you control the rear fan independently from the front middle fan

Astral是个好选择，因为它能让你知道线缆是否在规范内运行。白色版更好，因为它有更新的PCB版本，可以独立控制后风扇和前中风扇

>>109367247

I don't think I ever attempted to change the fan speeds. Bear in mind the last time I built a PC was 2016 so things might have changed since then. Came into some money and am looking to splurge. Will probably be two identical builds.

我想我从来没尝试过调风扇转速。提醒一下，我上次装机还是2016年，所以可能情况有变。最近手头宽裕了点，想好好挥霍一下。大概率会攒两台一模一样的机子。

>>109366836

Do you need a 4 TB SSD?

你需要4TB的SSD吗？

>>109367268

The rear fan on the astral is ass. It emits an annoying whine above the mid 40%s that gets more annoying the higher you go. Asus fixed it on the matrix and astral 20th anniversary by changing the fan design but left the astral with the original crappy rear fan.

Astral的后风扇真是垃圾。在中高转速（40%多）时会发出烦人的尖啸声，转速越高越烦人。华硕在Matrix和Astral 20周年纪念版上改进了风扇设计，但Astral原版还是保留了那个原始烂尾的后风扇。

If you aren't okay with this, I'd recommend getting an MSI 5090 suprim and getting a thermalgrizzly wireview pro 2 to monitor the 12vhpwr like you can on the astral

如果你不能接受这个，我建议买块MSI 5090 Suprim，再配个ThermalGrizzly WireView Pro 2来监控12VHPWR接口，就像Astral那样

Take me back bros

带我回到过去吧，兄弟们

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>>109367368

A few well-placed assasinations is all you need.

你只需要搞定点几个关键人物的暗杀就够了。

>>109367384

Nobody ever got killed over petty ram

没人会因为区区几条内存条被杀