>公司不再招初级程序员，而是用“氛围码农”取而代之
>Companies no longer hiring juniors and instead replaces them with vibecoders
>公司不再招初级程序员，而是用“氛围码农”取而代之
>10 years later the seniors either retire or die
>10年后，资深程序员要么退休，要么死掉
>Nobody left to understand how software works because they only vibecoded for 10 years
>没人能理解软件是如何工作的，因为他们只当氛围码农了10年
>Society collapses
>社会崩溃
Is this what they want?
这就是他们想要的吗？
Society is already collapsing. University websites and infrastructure barely function. Also apparently indeed, the job search platform, errors out when you try to submit an application now. Lol
社会已经在崩溃了。大学网站和基础设施 barely 能跑。而且显然，求职平台现在提交申请时都会报错。笑死
>>109354281
Please let this happen
请让这一切发生吧
>>109354281
AI already understands how software works luddite. Imagine in 10 years
AI已经懂软件怎么运作了，卢德分子。想象一下10年后
>>109354295
We quietly pretend nothing is wrong because we are addicted to the status quo
我们悄悄假装一切正常，因为我们沉迷于现状
Simply hire Indians, Africans, Turkeys, Jungle Asians, Chileans, and Brazilians.
直接雇印度人、非洲人、土耳其人、丛林亚洲人、智利人和巴西人就行了。
>>109354281
Lol no, they are going to hire cheap labour from india
哈哈不，他们会去印度雇廉价劳动力
>10 years later the seniors either retire or die
>10年后，资深程序员要么退休，要么死掉
This is already happening. I heard there are only like 3 people left in the world who actually know how CPUs work.
这已经在发生了。我听说全世界真正懂CPU工作原理的人可能只剩下3个左右了。
Programming was the first degree of abstraction.
编程是第一个抽象层级。
High level languages are the second degree.
高级语言是第二个层级。
The web became the third degree.
网页技术成为了第三个层级。
Vibecoding is the final degree. I honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.
氛围编码（Vibecoding）是最终层级。我真心认为，任何依赖它的人都在犯下巨大的错误。
>>109354281
>implying software is worth shit.
>暗示软件一文不值
dude, all software engineers could die overnight and it'd not be that big of a deal.
伙计，就算所有的软件工程师在一夜之间全死了，也不会有太大影响。
t. an actual software software engineer that had control of the texas power grid.
t. 一位真正掌控着德克萨斯州电网的软件工程师。
>>109354365
>I honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.
>我真心认为，任何依赖它的人都在犯下巨大的错误。
We've been sounding the alarm since globalized outsourcing. No one cared then and they won't care now. Turns out business people are fine with broken barely-functional shit as long as it's not 0% functional.
自从全球化外包以来，我们就一直在拉响警报。那时没人关心，现在也不会。事实证明，只要不是 0% 能用的烂软件，商人就很满意那些勉强能跑的垃圾。
>>109354365
>I heard there are only like 3 people left in the world who actually know how CPUs work
>我听说全世界只剩下大概 3 个真正懂 CPU 工作原理的人
this is completly false, there are at least a few thousand people.
这完全胡说，至少有几千人在懂。
>Vibecoding is the final degree
>氛围编码是最终层级
it's just the begining
它才刚刚开始
> honestly believe anyone who relies on it is making a huge mistake.
> 我真心认为，任何依赖它的人都在犯下巨大的错误。
depends for what, important things, hell no.
看情况。如果是重要的东西，绝对不行。
the average corposlop for the generic useless company that produces nothing of value, 100% justified.
但对于那些生产毫无价值的通用垃圾公司的普通公司狗来说，完全合理。
>>109354385
True, normies are equally to blame for not being able to tell the difference or being brainwashed that it's actually a good thing.
确实，普通大众也有责任，因为他们分不清好坏，或者被洗脑觉得这其实是件好事。
>>109354388
AI should be associated with scams. Unfortunately there are entire industries where you can't avoid it.
AI 应该和骗局画上等号。不幸的是，在某些行业你根本无法避开它。
Like is there a single GPU without it?
比如，有没有哪款 GPU 里面没有 AI？
>>109354281
You don't understand. We need results. Your nerd scribbles aren't results, Chuddite.
你不懂。我们要的是结果。你那堆码农的废话不是结果，查达迪特（Chuddite）。
>>109354281
Funnily enough, already happening right now with older genX and low level stuff.In the last five years, a lot of them who really don't have to work anymore left for social reasons (covid, trannies, DEI, dumb young white HR bitches jamming up older white guys for no reason, 200.0% Indians infesting everything with tribal bullshit, percentage wise fewer nerdy single Asian women to flirt with or fuck, less exposure to perks like *actually good* conferences, etc).
有趣的是，这种现象在老一代 X 世代和底层编程领域已经发生了。在过去五年里，许多本来不用再工作的人因为社交原因离开了（新冠疫情、跨性别者、DEI、某些没理由就刁难老白男的年轻白种人 HR、印度人带着种族主义糟粕无处不在，按比例来看，可以调情或上手的极客单身亚洲女性变少了，接触像*真正好*的会议这样的福利也变少了，等等）。
It took a few years, but places are now scrambling to replace low-level non-Rust skillsets. Maybe even not as much to actually code, but to try to salvage the teams of literal retards who HR said were low level because they watched picrel for LINUX KERNAL
花了几年的时间，但现在这些地方都在拼命弥补那些低级非 Rust 技能的空缺。也许并不是真的要他们去写代码，而是试图抢救那些被 HR 因为看了 picrel 这张图就判定为“Linux 内核级别”的、字面意义上的蠢货们。
>>109354281
Welcome to warhammer 40k
欢迎来到战锤 40K 世界
>>109354281
Big Tech purged all competent developers and replaced them with women and faggots in 2015.
2015 年，大型科技公司清退了一切有能力的开发者，换上了女人和同性恋。
>>109354281
>hire a junior
>招个实习生
>he leaves after a year or two
>他在一两年后就离职了
Hiring juniors was never worth it, and it’s a global supply problem that a single company can’t solve on its own. By training juniors you’re literally wasting money for the benefit of other corps.
招实习生从来都不划算，而且这是一个全球性的供应问题，单家公司无法独立解决。培训实习生就是在浪费钱去造福其他公司。
And this was before ai, where they still had at least some utility. Now you can replace their bumbling with $500/mo and actually get some minor utility without the downsides.
而且这是在 AI 出现之前，他们至少还有点用处。现在你花每月 500 美元就能替换他们的笨手笨脚，不仅能得到一点小用处，还没有那些副作用。
>>109354281
kikes dont care because their plan is that society will collapse long before 10 years from global nuclear war and famine anyway they just want to maximize profits while completing the panopticon
犹太人不关心，反正他们的计划是，在十年内社会就会因全球核战和饥荒而崩溃，他们只想在完成全景监狱监控的过程中最大化利润
>>109356284
just don't be a shit company and they will stay for longer
只要别当个垃圾公司，他们就会待得更久
>>109354281
So what you're saying is that eventually me learning C, x64 assembly, and reverse engineering malware like I'm doing now will become a valued skill set that could lead to a career? Even without a CS degree?
所以你的意思是，像我现在这样学习 C 语言、x64 汇编以及逆向工程恶意软件，这些技能 eventually 会变成有价值的技能组合，甚至能带来一份工作？即使没有计算机科学学位？
>>109354281
>>Society collapses
>>社会崩溃
It's already collapsed. Just use good software and attend what you care about.
它已经崩溃了。只用好软件，关注你在意的事就行。
>>109356310
Already is, you just have to find the people looking for you, then not seem like you'd be irritating to work with (maybe drop malware references, most of them are obnoxious and people don't like working with them). Tough todo right now.
早就崩溃了，你只需要找到那些需要你的人，然后别看起来像个难相处的同事（也许别提逆向恶意软件这茬，大多数人很讨嫌，没人喜欢跟这种人多打交道）。现在这很难做到。
>>109354281
>Nobody left to understand how software works because they only vibecoded for 10 years
>没人能理解软件是如何工作的，因为他们只当氛围码农了10年
Unironically, how would this lead to society collapsing? Just tell the slave to fix it, he'll be better at it than 99.9999% of your mythical "senior devs".
说真的，这怎么会导致社会崩溃？直接叫那个奴隶去修，他修得肯定比你那传说中 99.9999% 的“高级开发者”要好。
>>109356276
>hire a junior
>招个实习生
>he acquires the skills and experience commiserate with a promotion
>他获得了与晋升相匹配的技能和经验
>doesn't get promoted
>却没得到晋升
>he leaves for a better paying job after a reasonable amount of time in his current position
>他在当前职位待了合理时间后，跳槽去了薪资更高的地方
Gawd, juniors are just the worst.
天哪，初级程序员真是一群最差劲的家伙。
>>109356310
Be prepared to become a vibecode cleanup consultant. Employers will do absolutely anything before trying to hire anyone competent, so the only job you'll get is picking up the pieces after roaming bands of DEIs, H1Bs, and vibekiddies have had their way with a codebase.
准备好成为“氛围代码”清理顾问吧。雇主们为了逃避招聘 competent（有能力）的人，简直什么事都做得出来，所以你唯一能找到工作就是去收拾残局，给那些折腾完代码库的 DEI 狂魔、H1B 签证持有者和“氛围小子”们擦屁股。
It’s really funny how luddites think ai slop produces quality that’s somehow unacceptable when garbage like microsoft teams is some of the most used software in the world
卢德主义者觉得 AI 生成的垃圾质量低得不可接受，这笑死人了，毕竟像微软 Teams 这种软件可是全球使用量最高的，而它本身就是堆屎。
Barring exceptions like nasa rover and military aircraft nobody gives a shit about software quality and how inefficient or buggy it is. Not those who produce it, not those who use it. (you) screeching about some react shit-app taking 1gb of ram instead of 50mb means nothing. US programmers were made obsolete by eastern europe, which were made obsolete by jeet slavecaste and latams, which are being made obsolete by agentic ai.
除了 NASA 漫游车和军用飞机这种特例，没人关心软件质量，也没人在乎它有多低效或多 bug。无论是生产者还是使用者，都不在乎。（你）尖叫着某个 React 破应用占 1GB 内存而不是 50MB，这毫无意义。美国程序员被东欧人淘汰，东欧人被贱民种（jeet slavecaste）和拉美淘汰，现在他们正在被代理型 AI 淘汰。
Juniors always sucked btw, they should pay me if they want to waste the time of my actually productive hires.
顺便说一句，初级程序员一直都烂。如果他们想浪费我那些真正有生产力的员工的时间，应该付钱给我。
>>109356638
Yeah, you're right, we should just clone you four billion times and fill the world solely with your faggot ass. What a gay utopia that would be.
是啊，你说得对，我们干脆把你克隆四十亿次，让世界只充满你这个混蛋。那会是一个多么基情的乌托邦啊。
>>109356276
See, this is the issue.
看，这就是问题所在。
Money being the core of someone's value system is what led to these problems in the first place.
金钱成为某人价值观的核心，正是导致这些问题的根源。
>>109356900
>corporations optimize for profit
>企业以利润最大化为目标
whoa
哇哦
>>109354281
where we are heading you don't need senior "coder", silly snailcat
按照我们要去的方向，你根本不需要资深“码农”，蠢蠢的 snailcat
>>109356909
I don't consider a corporation to be a human construct, and it's going to become even less human with the advent of AI.
我不认为公司是人类构建的产物，而且随着 AI 的到来，它会变得愈发没有人情味。
>>109356922
I'm glad you spend your life selflessly helping others and not wasting time posting on 4chin
很高兴看到你无私地帮助别人度过一生，而不是把时间浪费在 4chan 上发帖
>>109356276
Found the corporate dicksuck
找到那个企业舔狗了
You should kill yourself for this post being completely serious
你应该因为这条帖子如此认真地胡说八道而自杀
>>109354281
Everything gets a rewrite every 10 years anyway innit
反正每10年总会重写一遍，对吧
>>109356923
What does that have to do with that I just said.
这跟我刚才说的有什么关系。
I'm saying that shit aint ran by humans
我的意思是，这玩意儿根本不由人类掌控
>>109354281
>>10 years later the seniors either retire or die
>>10年后，资深员工要么退休，要么去世
I've seen multiple people say this and I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about. Are you under the impression that senior developers are in their 50s or something? No, senior software engineers are in their 20s or 30s, they're not retiring or dying any time soon.
我看到好几个人这么说，我真不懂你在扯什么。难道你觉得资深开发都是50多岁之类的？不对，高级软件工程师大多才二三十岁，他们短期内不会退休或死掉。
>all this implication that the average /g/ user is somehow more competent or valuable than a poojeet or LLM
>暗示/g/板上的普通用户 somehow 比那些印度佬或LLM更厉害或更有价值
lol, lmao even. everything has always been shit. "white men" has always been code for "a handful of actually competent educated people collar dragging literally everybody fucking else, including white people." it's a miracle so much has been accomplished given that there's ever only ~100000 competent people in existence at any given time.
哈哈哈，笑死我了。一切向来都烂得一塌糊涂。“白人男性”一直是“少数真正有本事、受过教育的精英拽着其他所有人（包括白人）一起干活的暗号”。考虑到任何时候世上真正 competent（能干）的人大概只有10万左右，能取得这么多成就简直是奇迹。
>>109356955
"senior" developers in their 20s aren't really seniors
20多岁的“资深”开发其实算不上资深
>>109354281
I don't think the problem is the lack of seniors. even seniors themselves will fall to AI brainrot
我觉得问题不在于缺少资深人士。就算是有资历的人也会受到AI脑腐的影响
>>109354281
>I want an internship where I get trained to do the job while being actively detrimental to the company for the first year or wo
>我想要一份实习，第一年或两年里我被培训做事，但同时对公司起反作用
>I also want to be paid $100k for it
>我还想要为此获得10万美元的薪水
Go be a leech somewhere else
去别处当寄生虫吧
>but in 10 years
>但10年后
I don’t care
我不在乎
>>109357034
You see it even at the big name companies like amazon. Fagman "developers" making less than $400k/yr are glorified ops who need ten different layers of bureaucracy to sign off before they’re allowed to do any development. When something needs to be developed you get a bunch of principal engineers hashing it out with practically zero red tape, wholly ignoring the usual processes. Amazon even bragged about their Bedrock rewrite and how successful it was, which should be a beyond obvious sign that (you), the normalfag developer, are literally nothing but a ticket closer that just happens to make decent money, but you will never do anything worthwhile, ever.
你即使在亚马逊这种大厂也能看到。那些年薪不到40万的“fagman”开发者不过是挂着高大上名头的运维，做任何开发前都得经过层层官僚审批。当需要真正开发东西时，你会看到一堆首席工程师几乎没有阻碍地快速搞定，完全无视常规流程。亚马逊甚至吹嘘他们的Bedrock重写有多成功，这已经很明显地说明：你，普通宅男开发者，本质上只是个能赚点钱的高级工单终结者，永远做不出什么有价值的东西。
why do codemonkeys overrate their importance in the world like this? They just know how to speak machine to implement the ideas people much intelligent than them (that are not codemonkeys) had. Now that the machine speaks english they are not needed anymore, simple as.
为什么码农们会如此高估自己在世界上的重要性？他们只不过懂点机器语言，去实现那些远比自己聪明的人（非码农）的想法。现在机器能说英语了，他们就没用了，就这么简单。
Computer science has been documented for over 80 years now, there is nothing an AI or a digital burger flipper can't figure out. The current world is simply a enshittified version of 2007 (when the first iPhone came out).
计算机科学已经发展了80多年，AI或者数字汉堡店员都能搞定一切。当前的世界不过是2007年（初代iPhone发布那年）的糟糕翻版。
>>109354281
yes
是的
>>109356276
That incredible short sightedness is the best bait I've seen in some time, good job
这种惊人的短视是我近期见过最好的钓鱼帖，干得漂亮
>>109357321
Bait used to be believable
以前的钓鱼帖至少还能让人信以为真
>>109357581
I don't think it's bait
我不觉得这是钓鱼
we've built a weird "society"
我们建立了一种奇怪的“社会”
>>109354281
And how is that a bad thing?
那这又有什么不好呢？
>>109357580
How is it short sightedness? Hiring juniors is essentially investing in employees you never benefit from. For all I know we’ll be in the middle of ww3 in 10 years, it’s way too long of a deadline for me to care about
这怎么能说是短视呢？招聘初级员工本质上是在投资那些你永远无法从中获益的员工。谁知道呢，也许十年后我们就身处第三次世界大战了，这个时间跨度对我来说太远了，我才懒得操心。
>society is when you should pay for people to learn at your company
>社会应该是让你在公司里花钱让人学习的地方
This isn’t blue collar work where a junior can at least carry bricks or do the general legwork that needs to be done
这不是蓝领工作，初级员工起码还能搬砖或者干点杂活。
Knowledge work needs knowledge, and juniors simply do not have it. There’s a reason why the current market is good for seniors and dogshit for juniors, and it’s not because corpos gladly pay double the salary for the same work
知识工作需要知识，而初级员工根本不懂。为什么现在对高级人才有利、对初级人才却糟糕透顶的市场现状不是出于大公司愿意为同样的工作付双倍薪水，原因就在这。
It always amuses me how just about everybody agrees that uni is pretty useless at teaching you day/to-day programming (and most white collar work in general desu), and that the actual learning is done once you get hired.
总是让我觉得好笑的是，几乎所有人都同意大学在教授日常编程（以及大多数白领工作 desu）方面相当没用，真正的学习其实是在入职后才开始进行的。
But say that juniors are useless and suddenly everybody’s up in arms.
但如果说初级员工没用，突然之间所有人就都炸毛了。
>>109354281
Why don't they just vibecode a new system?
他们为什么不直接用“氛围编码”（vibecoding）搞个新系统出来？
>>109358434
It will happen ofc, it’s just juniors coping that not hiring them will somehow cause civilizational collapse
当然会发生，这只是初级员工在自我安慰，觉得不招他们就会导致文明崩溃。
>>109357707
>it’s way too long of a deadline for me to care about
>这个时间跨度对我来说太远了，我才懒得操心
Boomer mentality.
这就是老顽固的心态。
The idea should be to pass on the knowledge of a skillset so the ones who come after you can advance.
正确的做法应该是传递技能知识，让后来者能够继续进步。
This mentality is the exact reason, and I say this without hyperbole, that all american and otherwise western institutions are crumbling.
正是这种心态，我并非夸大其词，导致了所有美国及西方机构的崩溃。
>>109360211
The point of a company is to make money.
公司的目的就是赚钱。
If I want to pass on knowledge and skillset I'd teach my kids, not some strangers I don't care about.
如果我想传授知识和技能，我会教我的孩子，而不是那些我根本不关心的陌生人。
>>109357707
It's short-sighted because if everyone thought the same way you did, there won't be an American CS industry in 10 years
它是短视的，因为如果每个人都像你这样想，十年后就不存在美国计算机科学行业了。
>>109360225
How old are you
你多大了？
>>109360244
38
>>109360241
What's short sighted is to expect a single company to sacrifice itself on the altar of the (distant) future rather than the government incentivising the outcome. It's like saying people should voluntarily pay more taxes or, idk, private citizens should fix potholes in the roads if they don't like them there. It's insanity.
指望一家公司牺牲自己来为（遥远的）未来献祭，而不是由政府来激励这种结果，这才是短视。这就好比说人们应该自愿多交税，或者，不知道怎么说，如果私人公民不喜欢路上的坑，就应该自己去修。这简直是疯癫。
>>109360270
I think I fell for the bait
我觉得我中计了（上钩了）
>>109359179
It won't collapse, but you have constantly train a newer generation or information or skill may be lost.
它不会崩溃，但如果你不持续培训新一代，知识和技能就会丢失。
>>109360608
isnt it a dead end career? its been 3 years of progress and ai slop went from useless to easily being better than a junior, and any 90iq jeet can drive it
这难道不是死路一条吗？三年过去了，AI的垃圾玩意儿从毫无用处变得轻松超越初级员工，任何智商90的贱民都能驾驭它
yea there will be a few well paid codeGODS but there's such a huge surplus of programmers that simply wont be needed anymore that it seems silly to care about training new juniors. you could have zero new blood and youd still be fine for the next 30 years
是啊，会有几个高薪的“代码之神”，但程序员的过剩量如此巨大，以至于根本不需要那么多人，关心培训新初级员工看起来就很蠢。就算没有新血加入，你接下来30年也照样没问题。
>>109360608
>but you have constantly train a newer generation
>但如果你不持续培训新一代
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>>109354281
Yes.
>>109356276
this is a problem corpos have created for themselves by being ruthless soul sucking pieces of shit where it is in no ones best interest to stick around and have their salary stagnant
这是公司自己制造的问题，它们是一群冷酷无情、吸人灵魂的人渣，待下去没有好处，薪水还停滞不前。
>>109354281
I hate to break it to you but this “tech collapse” isn’t coming. And even if it is, the corporate heads don’t care.
不想泼你冷水，但这什么“科技崩溃”根本不会来。就算真来了，那些公司高管也压根不在乎。
Nobody gives a fuck how their webshit works, and if it breaks they will sooner outsource the fix to an Indian making $25 an hour to type “fix please saar” into chatGPT than go back to the way things were.
没人他妈关心他们的网络垃圾代码是怎么运行的。要是崩了，他们宁愿外包给印度人，每小时25美元让他在聊天窗口里敲“请修复，老板”，也不愿回到从前的样子。
>>109360673
I fucking hate zoomers.
我真他妈讨厌Z世代（Zoomers）。
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