/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General

Gaming edition

游戏版

How to request advice:

如何寻求帮助：

>Budget

>预算

>Intended use (media, source, environment)

>用途（媒体、音源、使用环境）

>Frequency response preference and music examples

>频响偏好及音乐示例

>Past gear and your thoughts on them

>用过的设备及你的评价

FAQ:

>Where do I buy IEMs?

>我在哪里买IEM？

Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

亚马逊、速卖通、Linsoul、Hifigo、Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):

>购物指南（IEM、PMP、线材、耳塞套等）：

https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Journal:

>/iemg/ 的日志：

https://iemgazette.pages.dev/

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):

>EQ指南（EQ入门、目标曲线、迷思与误解、论文等）：

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>Measurements:

>测量数据：

https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:

>预算款有线包耳式IEM：

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Bunny DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22

• Truthear Gate（轻微V型） - $22

• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

• EPZ Q1 Pro（V型） - $35

>Bullet IEMs:

>子弹头IEM：

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22

• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP（轻微U型/5段PEQ） - $22

• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30

• Sony IER-EX15C（暖/暗） - $30

• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140

• Etymotic ER2XR（偏中性） - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:

>平头耳塞：

• NICEHCK Vido (Warm) - $5

• NICEHCK Vido（暖） - $5

• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

• Yincrow X6（暖） - $10

>USB-C DACs:

• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8

• JCally JM6（非Pro版） / CX Pro - $8

• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18

• JadeAudio JIEZI（10段PEQ） - $18

• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38

• TRN Black Pearl（10段PEQ） - $38

• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

• Qudelix 5K（20段PEQ/GEQ） - $110

>PMPs:

• HiBy R1 - $85

• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:

• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

• 多单元动铁/动圈混合单元使用主板音频

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post your FR at the cochlea

把你的频响数据贴到 cochlea（Cochlea.me）

>>109351474

>*AI generated anime child edition

>*AI生成的动漫儿童版

Slopers what u think?

Slopers们你们怎么看？

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784827281392941.png

>>109351527

Not sloppy enough.

还不够糊弄人。

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Reminder that steamdeck audio is dogshit.

提醒一下，Steam Deck的音质烂得一塌糊涂。

>>109351607

never used a steamdeck, never will

没用过也没打算用Steam Deck

>>109351527

>EP321

I'd love to try one of those

我倒挺想试试那玩意儿

/iemg/ Dogma Check

/iemg/ 教条检查

Tired of the hivemind? Here’s your prescribed sanity dose:

受够了群体思维？这是给你开的理智剂量：

>Crinacle is not your priest.

>Crinacle不是你的神父。

Rankings are a guide, not divine scripture. Your ears > his spreadsheet.

排名只是参考，不是神圣经文。你的耳朵 > 他的电子表格。

>Harman and JM-1 ≠ perfect.

>Harman曲线和JM-1 ≠ 完美。

It’s a preference curve, not a law of physics. Some genres need deviation.

那只是偏好曲线，不是物理定律。有些曲风需要偏离。

>Chi-Fi isn’t magic.

>国砖（Chi-Fi）不是魔法。

Great value, yes. Immune to QC issues and hype cycles? Nope.

性价比确实高。能免疫品控问题和炒作周期？别逗了。

>Graphs are not sound.

>图表不等于声音。

They don’t show staging, dynamics, or fit. Use your ears, not just squigs.

他们根本不上台展示动态和佩戴贴合度。用耳朵听，别光看那些频谱曲线。

>BA ≠ metallic, DD ≠ perfect.

>双动圈（BA）≠ 金属音，DD（动圈）≠ 完美。

Implementation matters more than driver type. Always has.

调音实现比单元类型更重要。一直都是这样。

>Meme sets aren’t the whole hobby.

>热门推荐清单并不是入耳式耳机圈的全貌。

If it’s not shilled 24/7, it might still be good. It's highly encouraged to form an original opinion.

如果一个耳塞不是被24/7无脑吹捧，那它可能依然很好。非常鼓励大家形成自己的独立观点。

>Disagreeing ≠ cope or deaf.

>持不同意见 ≠ 自我安慰或耳聋。

Let people like what they like without foaming at the mouth.

让人家喜欢他们喜欢的，别在那气得口吐白沫。

>Loud posts =/= smart takes.

>帖子声音大 ≠ 观点高明。

Confidence without experience is just noise. Show graphs, impressions, or both.

没有经验的自信只是噪音。请出示数据图、听感描述，或者两者都提供。

This has been your scheduled break from pos groupthink.

以上就是你们从“头趴（耳友）群体思维”中获得的定时休息。

why don't they put cool comics on iems? when i was a child i read spawn and witchblade and the darkness and stuff. do kids nowadays just watch japanese cartoons?

为什么没人把酷炫的漫画印在入耳式耳机上？我小时候读的是《再生侠》、《魔女之刃》和《黑暗物质》之类的。现在的孩子就只看日本动漫吗？

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PEQdB is perfect. Trust in science.

PEQdB 是完美的。相信科学。

https://purl.stanford.edu/bp189zs9642

Truthear Gate

Truthear 门事件

>>109351740

that's not how science works

科学可不是这么运作的

>>109351812

You didn't go to Stanford or any top15 university in the world, so your opinion is invalid.

你没上过斯坦福或世界前15的大学排名中的任何一所，所以你的观点无效。

>>109351907

Don't forget the best part-

别忘了最精彩的部分——

They have 0 grasp on their own biology on top of it all.

除此之外，他们甚至连自己的身体生物学都没搞清楚。

>>109351907

you don't know that

你才不知道呢

>>109351907

>science

>科学

>opinion

>观点

see? you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about

看到了吧？你根本不知道你他妈在胡扯什么

>>109351979

Go read the paper. PEQdB Diamond β won.

去读读那篇论文。PEQdB Diamond β 赢了。

Hex and Storm won. Precog won. Headphoneshow won, listener won. We are just too poor to admit it. Cope with 711 couplers from AliExpress, sine sweeps and EQ won't change brutal reality. Escape towards great sound is up there in high-end and we should work hard to get there.

Hex 和 Storm 赢了。Precog 赢了。Headphoneshow 赢了，Listener 赢了。我们只是穷到不愿承认现实。继续用速卖通上的711耦合器、正弦扫频和EQ来自我安慰吧，这改变不了残酷的现实。追求好声音的出路在高音领域，我们要努力争取那里。

>>109352175

Hex seems shit tho.

但Hex看起来真垃圾。

Rest valid

其余的倒是没错

and the daily international grifter award goes to...

今天的每日国际行骗大奖授予……

hpg is dead, imma ask here. should i get a meze strada for 650usd?

hpg已经凉了，我在这问问。我该花650美元买Meze Strada吗？

>>109352175

>Headphoneshow won, listener won

>Headphoneshow赢了，Listener赢了

Okay... So Imma buy an hd480 pro and call it a day

行吧……那我就去买个HD480 Pro，今天就这样吧

>>109352053

one paper means nothing especially when methodology is so bad

一篇论文什么都说明不了，尤其是当它的方法论如此糟糕时

>>109352297

no, it's already been mogged by hd480 pro. just watch the reviews

不，它已经被HD480 Pro碾压了。去看看评测就行

>>109352297

sure

当然

>>109352310

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

>>109352297

Buy Stax. Or optionally just get Empyreans at that point.

买Stax吧。或者干脆在那个价位上直接上Empyrean。

Dude bro buddy chum fella...

老铁兄弟哥们……

There's only 3 headpos choices below $2000 that make any sense.

2000美元以下只有3款头戴式耳机是有意义的好选择。

Max: 480 Pro

Mid: HD 650/6XX

Min: FT1

You pay more you're getting SCAMMED LMOA

你花更多钱就是在被坑 LMOA

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>>109352297

What I've researched about them they are to bright and unless u are planning to EQ that it's better to go with hd480 pro. But they looks really nice and are comfortable.

我查了一下，它们的频率偏亮，除非你打算EQ，否则选HD480 Pro更好。但它们长得真不错，佩戴也很舒适。

>>109352391

not applicable

不适用

even if it was one study means fuck all retard

即使只有一项研究也他妈毫无意义，蠢货

>>109352622

>one study

>一项研究

omg you're so retard

哦天哪你真是个蠢货

it's not like other studies disagree <10khz, that's basically perfection and backed up by science.

其他研究在10khz以下的表现是一致的，那基本上就是完美，而且有科学背书。

stop doing sighted testing, and you'll realize PEQdB is the best

停止那些有盲测的行为，你就会意识到PEQdB是最好的

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>>109352757

>PEQdB is the best

>PEQdB是最好的

Yeah best hearing loss accelerator

是的，最佳听力损失加速器 ⟖ 告诉我

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>>109352757

tell me

告诉我

how was control managed in the study?

这项研究的控制变量是怎么做的？

i've had it up to here with people not perceiving audio and reality correctly!!

我受够了那些无法正确感知音频和现实的人！！

>>109351474

anything cheaper with a good-enough DAC than the "$50" fiio snowsky echo mini?

比“50美元”的FiiO Snowsky Echo Mini更便宜且DAC足够好的有什么？

at this point it's $100 and i just need a dedicated player to stop taking my phone on trails

到这儿都涨到100刀了，我就想找个能 dedicated 的玩家，别再拿我的手机去登山用了

>>109352757

>do his blind test

>做个盲测看看

>get 5dB less treble than this

>比这个的高频少5dB

Fire the goy extinction cannon.

发射反犹灭绝加农炮。

>>109352310

It means nothing to begin with, as it is not a peer reviewed publication and it was not published in any journal.

这从一开始就毫无意义，因为它不是同行评审的出版物，也没在任何期刊上发表过。

So far its value and trustability is the same as a random blogspot post.

到目前为止，它的价值和可信度跟随便一个blogspot博客帖子差不多。

P.S. When I did my masters the results got published as a separate publication (Just in case: a thesis is just a report that you did some project, even failures can make one and you can still graduate with it), in a peer-reviewed journal with me being cited as a first author and this paper is still up on ncbi.

附注：我读研那会儿，结果作为独立论文发表了（以防万一：论文只是你做了一个项目的报告，即使失败了也能写，照样能毕业），发表在同行评审的期刊上，我作为第一作者被引用，这篇论文现在还在ncbi上挂着。

As far as peqdb stuff is not published in a reputable journal like AES it simply doesnt exist as a piece of scientific material.

只要peqdb的东西没有在像AES这样声誉良好的期刊上发表，它在科学材料层面根本就不存在。

>>109352615

Only Para makes sense as the only headphone with as little distortion as in IEMs.

只有Para讲得通，它是唯一像入耳式耳机一样失真极少的头戴式耳机。

>>109354612

Not the distortion retard again

又是那个失真弱智粉

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i like the look of this one

我喜欢这个的外观

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>>109354445

we're larping as authors in peer-reviewed papers now. what a new low, even for /iemg/

我们现在开始在同行评审的论文里扮演作者了。真是新低点，哪怕对/iemg/来说也一样。

you know what's more cringie than CDickheads*? retardos who buy a bunch of 8gb micro sd cards then copy albums onto each and treat it as "physical media".

你知道比CDheads*更尴尬的是什么吗？就是那些买一堆8GB微SD卡，然后把专辑拷进去、还当成“实体媒介”对待的弱智。

*performative dumbfucks who never had a cd collection in the first place and are just buying them now like cassettards and vinylosers.

*这些作秀的傻逼，自己从来就没收藏过CD，现在就像卡带党 vinylloser 一样跟风买。

>>109355154

says you.

你说得对。

well tuned iem beats a well tuned headphone any day for sound, not so much for comfort

调音好的入耳式耳机在声音上随时吊打调音好的头戴式耳机，不过在舒适度上就不一定了

>>109354661

>Not the distortion retard again

>又是那个失真弱智粉

you are right, distortion doesn't matter, almost all pos have a THD too low to matter, thus FR is the undethroned king of sound quality.

你说得对，失真确实不重要，几乎所有的头戴式耳机THD都低到可以忽略不计，所以频响曲线才是音质界不可动摇的王者。

>>109355189

>not so much for comfort

>舒适度上就不一定了

i'm kinda trying to find some good open ear or conduction ones.

我倒是想找一些好的开放式或骨传导耳机。

>>109355189

stop trippin', bruh ! iems are low aura

别太入戏了，兄弟！戴入耳式耳机没面子

hd480 wins in comfort, tuning, and sex appeal

HD480在舒适度、调音和性吸引力上都赢了

>>109351474

is FT1 still relevant for $150 ish heaphone

FT1作为150刀左右的耳机还有竞争力吗

>>109355189

for me its other way around, IEMs, even without vent holes are so much more comfortable. But well tuned headphone that work with my ear shape so there is no peaks and dips (still there just smaller) is so much more enjoyable to listen. Never had sense of space with IEMs as good as with openbacks.

对我来说正好相反，入耳式耳机就算没开泄压孔也舒服得多。不过，调音好、耳廓形状贴合（峰值和谷值依然存在但更小）的头戴式耳机听起来享受多了。入耳式耳机永远给不了我像开放式那样好的声场感。

>>109355908

if u need closed back yes. But what shills says its better to pay more for closed back HD 480 pro. FT1 looks bit like bootleg ZMF and Audiotechnica and it looks cheesy at that price

如果你需要封闭式那当然可以。但那些水军说的不对，没必要为了封闭式HD480 Pro多花钱。FT1看起来有点像ZMF和Audio-Technica的盗版，而且卖这个价格显得很廉价

>>109356298

>HD 480 pro

>高清480专业版

thats almost 400 euro in my cunt

在我那该死的口袋里差不多要400欧元

my budget is max 150 usd

我的预算最高150美元

>>109355355

Headpos has THD high enough to matter. Ft1 pro literally had to be revised because of clipping(it still does lol). Happens in expensive headphones too. Even before clipping it can get so bad that voices get warbled, like on beyers.

头戴式耳机的THD高到必须在意。FT1 Pro因为削波失真不得不修订（现在还会这样，哈哈）。昂贵耳机也有这问题。即使没到削波程度，失真也能严重到让声音颤动，就像拜亚动力那样。

>>109356328

if u need closed back go for it then. For me at that pricepoint i would go for openbacks (maybe sundara or edition xs or something from sennheisrer) or go with IEMs. But i dont really like how FT1 looks

如果你需要封闭式那就买吧。对我来说，在这个价位我会选开放式（也许是Sundara或Edition XS，或者森海塞尔的其他型号）或者选入耳式。但我不太喜欢FT1的外观

>>109355189

I can wear IEMs all day unlike headphones. But not all IEMs. You have to explore different shapes and tips.

入耳式耳机（IEM）我能戴着它一整天，头戴式耳机可不行。但不是所有入耳式都适合，你得试试不同的外壳形状和耳塞套。

>>109354721

that's how science work mr. retard.

这就是科学的运作方式，蠢货先生。

scientific process is a very specific thing. a method.

科学流程是一门非常严谨的学问，是一种特定的方法论。

sharur's article does not follow scientific method and thus is unscientific

sharur 的文章不符合科学方法，所以是不科学的。

Reject TWS.

拒绝真无线（TWS）。

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>>109357029

interesting

有意思

>>109357029

koss must be in top 10 performative things for chuds to do. I had that type of guy in college and trust me, he was one of the weirdest person i ever met (in that distrubing potential serial killer type of way)

Koss 肯定是那些发烧友用来装逼的前十大行为之一。我在大学时就见过那种家伙，相信我，他是我见过最奇怪的人之一（带有某种令人不安的潜在连环杀手气质）。

>>109357029

These always seem to hang just far enough from my ear to sound like shit. Tinny and no bass. If I hold them slightly more against my ear like how a headphone band would, they sound great. But the ear clips don't seem capable of doing that, at least on my ears.

这些耳机总是挂得离我耳朵有点远，听起来音质很差。声音单薄，没有低音。如果我像戴头戴式耳机的头梁那样把它们稍微贴紧耳朵，音质就很棒。但耳夹式耳机似乎做不到这一点，至少对我的耳朵来说是这样。

>>109356500

For me, Shure/Westone shaped IEMs with foam tips are the comfiest for wearing a long time. Preferably ones with 3 mm nozzles since that allows for more foam between the hard nozzle and my skin. The small size and light weight make them barely noticeable, just a slight sensation at the end of my ear canal, and the reduced volume level of everything around me. They also lay flat enough to lie down on my side with them in.

对我来说，舒尔/韦斯顿造型的入耳式耳机搭配泡棉耳塞是长时间佩戴最舒适的。最好是 3 毫米喷嘴的，因为这样在硬喷嘴和我的皮肤之间能有更多的泡棉。小巧轻便让它们几乎感觉不到存在，只是在耳道末端有一点轻微的触感，同时也降低了周围环境的音量。它们也足够扁平，戴着它们侧躺睡觉完全没问题。

>>109356447

Stax be like *can't even finish the distortion test*

Stax 的处境就像是*连失真测试都完不成*

Wireless IEM when? LC3 codec makes cables kind of pointless.

无线入耳式耳机什么时候出？LC3 编解码器让线缆变得有点多余。

>>109357255

epz already did them, epz s350t

epz 已经做出来了，型号是 epz s350t。

>>109356447

I dunno if it's THD but a lot of people are reporting clipping or something like that for a lot of focal headphones

我不确定是不是 THD，但很多人报告说很多 Focal 头戴式耳机有削波或其他类似的问题。

>>109357255

>LC3 codec

>LC3 编解码器

does windows suppot it?

Windows 支持吗？

>>109357673

Yes. I am using it right now with a mediatek 7925 network card

支持。我现在正用联发科 7925 网卡使用它。

>>109357029

He switched to wired mid-game because the latency was too poor even with a 2.4GHz dongle. Reasonable crashout.

他游戏中途切回了有线，因为即使有 2.4G 接收器，延迟也太差了。合理的崩溃反应。

>>109357029

ksc-75 are great dunno about the other models

KSC-75 很棒，其他型号就不清楚了。

What are good buds for falling asleep with? I want something that can block out ambient noise (namely AC), stays in my ear, and feels comfortable so that I can actually sleep. Sound quality is secondary to all of those.

有什么适合戴着睡觉的耳机推荐吗？我想要能隔绝环境噪音（特别是空调声）、能稳稳待在耳朵里且佩戴舒适的，这样我才能真正睡着。音质对以上这些来说都是次要的。

>>109359237

sony mdr-ex15

索尼 MDR-EX15

>>109351768

My beloved

我的挚爱。

>>109356447

dunno i can push my planar headphones to 120db before they audibly distort

不确定，我能在我的平板单元耳机出现可听失真前推到 120dB。

though that's just measuring, i rarely listen above 50db.

不过这只是测量数据，我很少听超过 50dB 的音量。

>>109360393

Most headphones and even most planar headphones can't do this. Not in the frequency range where volume like this matters in the first place.

大多数耳机甚至大多数平板单元耳机都做不到这一点。至少在音量对此有意义的频段范围内不行。

lil bro is so deaf xhe hears distortion even when xhe doesnt own any headpos

这个小老弟聋了吧，xhe 即使自己没耳机也听得见失真。

>>109360432

planars can be pushed that high if you got a dac+amp powerful enough.

如果你有足够的 DAC 和功放，平板单元耳机确实可以推到那么高的音量。

though it was the theorical loudness, it was probably closer to 110db because i wasn't maxing out white noise and playing a sound that had dynamic range.

不过那是理论上的响度，实际可能更接近 110dB，因为我并没有把白噪声开到最大，而是播放了具有动态范围的声音。

db meter would read in that ballpark as well, though i don't trust it so much because when enclosed a headphone will be louder than when the sound can escape.

分贝表也会读数接近那个范围，不过我不太信任它，因为耳机在密闭状态下会比声音能逸散时更大声。

>>109360594

Stop saying planars when it's only a couple of planars that can do this. You don't test this with white noise, nobody cares if you can obliterate your ears with 100dB of 1kHz, you test with subbass. Headphones have lower max SPL at subbass, musical spectrum has higher subbass(it's pink noise, not white noise), human hearing is like 40dB less sensitive to subbass and most planars need their subbass boosted with EQ just to sound neutral.

别再动不动就扯平板耳机了，能这么干的好像也就那么几款。这玩意儿可不能用白噪声测，谁在乎你能不能用1kHz把耳朵震聋啊？得测次低频。平板耳机在次低频段的最高声压级本来就不高，而音乐里的次低频含量更高（它是粉红噪声，不是白噪声），人耳对次低频的敏感度比中频低大概40dB，而且大多数平板耳机如果不靠EQ Boost一下次低频，连中性调音都做不到。

>>109360679

>subbass

>次低频

dude, they were making a speaker like thud, i don't think there was any issue with the subbas, sure their response is naturaly flat ish, but if they can make a clean thud at > 100db i'm not too worried about being able to EQ good bass when i'm listening at 60db.

伙计，他们刚才演示的是那种浑厚的“咚咚”声，我觉得次低频没什么问题。当然，它们的频响曲线本身就比较平直，但如果能在超过100分贝的情况下打出干净的次低频，那我对于在60分贝音量下听歌时能不能靠EQ调出好 bass 完全不担心。

>>109360703

>they were making a speaker like thud

>他们刚才演示的是那种浑厚的“咚咚”声

Speakers have 100% THD at subbass. That's why speakers setups without subwoofers are a joke.

扬声器在次低频段的表现是100%的失真率。这就是为什么没有超低音音箱的音箱套装简直是笑话的原因。

>>109356850

woah calm down mr. antsy.

哇，别这么暴躁嘛，先生。

I was talking about the anon that said they got a master's and was cited blah blah blah. it's another larp. fuck off.

我说的是那个自称有硕士学位还扯什么被引用的匿名仔。这又是另一个角色扮演（LARP）。滚蛋。

>>109360785

you can cope it won't change that he is right. sharur's nonsense is not publicized in a proper scientific journal. even more it will not be able to pass a peer review

你那是自我安慰，也改变不了他说的是事实的事实。Sharur 的废话可没在正规的科学期刊上刊登过。甚至说，它根本通不过同行评审。

>>109360851

nobody's coping but you- you're stuck on sharur when I wasn't talking about him this entire time.

自我安慰的人不是你吗？你一直揪着 Sharur 不放，但我从头到尾就没提过他。

at the very least, he's contributing more to the hobby than you are. so go ahead, bring up the word cope again as you repeat yourself about a dude I never brought up to begin with.

至少他给这个小圈子贡献的东西比你多。所以你继续吧，把你那套关于自我安慰的陈词滥调再念一遍，尽管我一开始就没提过这个人。

Should I replace my DT 770s with K371s?

我应该把 DT 770 换成 K371 吗？

>>109361196

lol no

哈哈 不

k371 has awful fucking quality control. giant unit variation and huge positional variation. Also mind boggling channel imbalance. Think like 3-4dB

K371 的品控烂得一塌糊涂。单元个体差异巨大，位置偏差也很严重。还有令人咋舌的左右声道不平衡，大概差了3-4dB。

>>109361217

Are there any other good wired closed back headphones at that price point? I like my DT 770s but the plastic hinges are broken and I'd have to import the FiiO FT1 from the U.S. so it's not worth it.

在那个价位还有其他不错的有线封闭式耳机推荐吗？我喜欢我的 DT 770，但塑料铰链断了。如果要我从美国进口 FiiO FT1 的话，那就不划算了。

>>109361280

Beyerdynamic DT270 is the best option

Beyerdynamic DT270 是最好的选择

>>109360722

i was speaking of the thud of full spectrum speakers (ie come with sub) not those that stop at 65hz dude.

我说的是全频段音箱（也就是自带超低音的那种）发出的那种“咚咚”声，而不是那些在65Hz就掉下去的音箱，伙计。

>>109359237

Ozlo sleep buds

Ozlo 睡眠耳机

Sound quality is O.K., they're fucking tiny, completely wireless, and last like, 8-9 hours of playback.

音质还行，它们小得离谱，完全是无线的，续航大概8-9小时。

After like 10yrs, my 7506 coiled cable turned to greasy, oily goop that came back a day after wiping down with alcohol, still would buy again, 10/10.

用了大概10年后，我的7506的螺旋线变得油腻腻、滑溜溜的，就算用酒精擦了一遍，过一天又恢复原状。但我还是会再买一次，10/10分。

Wish they came stock with a detachable cable tho.

要是出厂能标配可拆卸线材就好了。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784923903488118.jpg

>>109361987

I like how it turned out, almost like they always came like that.

我觉得改完后效果不错，看起来就像它们本来就是这样的。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784924064520893.jpg

>>109362002

Also forgot, avoid brainwavz sheepskin sony pads if you need replacement pads, they are literally only sheepskin on the side that touches your head, the rest is all PU leather and fabric that flakes away like stock pads.

还有忘记说了，如果需要替换耳垫，避开 Brainwavz 的索尼头层羊皮垫。它们实际上只有接触头的那一面是羊皮，其余部分全是聚氨酯皮革和布料，而且会像原厂垫一样掉渣。

we're /hpg/ now

我们是不是跑到 /hpg/ 版块来了

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCq21suNbc

uh oh

>>109362498

everything is "the best"

啥都是“最好的”

so sick of this shit

对这堆垃圾烦透了

>>109362522

>other people's opinions

>别人的观点

>so sick of this shit

>对这堆垃圾烦透了

nobody's forcing you to care in the first place anon.

没人强迫你关心这些，匿名仔。

>>109351740

Mogged by fox target.

被 Fox Target 完爆。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784931033439781.png

>>109362498

the headphone has more testosterone than both reviewers

这副耳机的睾酮水平比两个评测者都高

>>109362498

>follows Harman/PEQdB

>遵循Harman/PEQdB标准

>people love it

>人们爱死它了

Trust in science, folks.

相信科学吧，伙计们。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784933373450704.png

>>109362769

fox target is just as farcical as PEQDB target

Fox目标函数跟PEQDB目标函数一样荒谬

>>109363022

Harman has always been the answer. Don't try to sneak in that other shit like it ever mattered.

Harman一直是正解。别想把那堆其他垃圾偷偷塞进来，好像它有多重要似的。

>>109363193

>Harman has always been the answer.

>Harman一直是正解。

bait.

>Don't try to sneak in that other shit like it ever mattered.

>别想把那堆其他垃圾偷偷塞进来，好像它有多重要似的。

JM-1 matters. If it didn't, foxbumretard wouldn't have bought an EPZ P50.

JM-1很重要。如果它不重要，foxbumretard就不会去买EPZ P50了。

Nice try, though.

不过你的尝试挺不错的。

>>109354721

I've seen people getting publications as first authors resulting from their masters thesis/MD in Nature or Lancet SS++++ world class tier journals but you need to be very lucky for that

我见过有人把硕士论文/博士论文发表在《自然》或《柳叶刀》这种SS++++世界顶级期刊上作为第一作者，但这非常需要运气

But if your masters didnt result in any publications in a scientific journal, then you just did the bare minimum and brought zero novelty with whatever you were doing

但如果你的硕士论文没有在科学期刊上发表任何文章，那你只是完成了最低要求，带来的创新值为零

Just because you formatted your blog entry in a scientific journal page style does not mean that science was done in any meaningful way

仅仅把你的博客文章排版成科学期刊的风格，并不意味着你在做任何有意义的事情

If there really is some sort of a novelty or value then it shouldn't be an issue to publish it in a peer-reviewed journal

如果真的有某种创新或价值，那发表到同行评审期刊上应该不是问题

Iirc sharur was talking that Sean Olive will review his peqdb paper, but afaik nothing came out of it, because Dr. Olive is a real scientist and just ghosted this bullshit the moment he realized that he didn't even cite his work properly lmao

我依稀记得sharur说Sean Olive会审查他的peqdb论文，但据我所知最后没下文了，因为Dr. Olive是个真正的科学家，一发现他连自己的工作都没正确引用就立马无视了这堆狗屎，哈哈

>peqdb target in blue

>peqdb目标曲线用蓝色表示

>KZ PR2 in red

>KZ PR2用红色表示

what I find interesting is his so called target calls for even more treble than what he described as hearing damage inducing from the PR2.

我发现有趣的是，他所谓的“目标”要求的比高频甚至比他描述为PR2会引起听力损伤的还要多。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784939681426760.png

>>109363616

unironically his target is like that because most pos tuned to ie 2019

说真的，他的目标曲线之所以长那样，是因为大多数产品调音都像2019年的IE一样烂

>>109363216

>Thing matters because this other retard bought a pos

>这东西很重要，因为这个其他蠢货买了它

>?????????

Absolute lowest of the low goycattle

低到极点的goycattle（外国牛/乡巴佬）

>>109363776

>>Thing matters because this other retard

>>这东西很重要，因为这个其他蠢货

I was being coy and pointing out the hypocrisy that the furfag failed at noticing the upgrade from the P50 and the cheap EPZ they own.

我故意卖关子，是想指出furfag（兽迷）没注意到他从P50升级到他们拥有的廉价EPZ时的虚伪。

I like the idea of JM-1 though.

不过我是挺喜欢JM-1这个概念的。

Is the Edifier MR3 speakers worth buying @ $99.99?

Edifier MR3音箱在99.99美元时值得买吗？

These aren't headphones, but I'd appreciate constructive feedback from a few audio schizos here.

这些不是耳机，但我希望这里几个音频精神分裂症患者能给点建设性的反馈。

Thanks.

Hey guys i know this is not the general for this but: any good headphones like the audio technica m50x but better? I only have like 150 usd of budget btw.

嘿哥们我知道这不是通用讨论区但是：有什么好的耳机像铁三角m50x但更好？顺便说一下我只有一百五十美元的预算。

>>109364159

beyerdynamic dt270 pro is the budget meta now

beyerdynamic dt270 pro现在是预算党的meta（版本答案）

>>109354678

>>109362498

Waiting for my niggas Resolve and Fc construct to give their impressions, since I don't tend to align with Listener's prefs and I got a big head like Resolve

在等我的黑人兄弟Resolve和Fc给出他们的印象，因为我不怎么附和Listening偏好，而且像我Resolve那样头脑发达（自视甚高）

>>109364159

>any good headphones

>有什么好的耳机

Who's gonna tell him

谁会去告诉他

>>109364159

at that price i can recomend only iems. There is few good open backs like sundara, edition xs, jt1, senheisser 5series is also good but with closed backs, dont know, fiio ft1 was shilled hard, maybe something from beyerdynamic or senheisser at that price but most shilled stuff so hd 480 pro is around 300usd where i live

这个价位我只能推荐入耳式耳机。开放式有一些好的比如Sundara、Edition XS、JT1，森海塞尔5系列也不错，但那是封闭式。不知道，飞傲FT1被硬吹得很厉害，也许beyerdynamic或senheisser在这个价位有，但大多数被硬吹的东西都在300美元左右，这是我所在的地方

>>109364724

resolve tried it and they like it. But is price something like 3000+usd and require dedicated AMP like Raal imanis?

Resolve 试过了，他们挺喜欢。但价格是 3000 多美元那种，还得配个 Raal Reveal 之类的独立 AMP 吗？

What have I done - Optimus Prime and me

我都干了啥——擎天柱和我

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784956532045462.jpg

>>109365012

it's 3.5k apparently and the amp is included. headphone guys "cant afford" and wont buy it though which i find odd for someone involved with this professionally who just came across the best headphone they've ever heard

听说要 3.5k，而且还包含耳放。不过那些耳机圈的人居然“买不起”也不打算买，我觉得这挺奇怪的，毕竟这是位专业人士，遇到了他听过的最好的耳机。

maybe they're spending it on crack instead. they look a bit pale and underfed

也许他们把钱拿去搞海洛因了。他们看起来有点脸色苍白，营养不良的样子。

>>109365173

i mean they have private owned susvaras, at least golden sound and resolve. 3k is big buck but for headhones and iems still long way to the top

我是说，他们手头有私人拥有的 Susvara 啊，至少还有 Golden Sound 和 Resolve。3k 确实是大价钱，但对于头戴式耳机和 IEM 来说，这还远没到顶峰。

>>109365012

As a ft1 owner, it's overrated relative to its glowing reviews. Now with sundaras and xs frequently near that price on sale, it's not as crazy as a value buy. It doesn't do anything badly, but it doesn't stand out in any areas either. It also has QC issues with the headband. Great gifts for casual listeners, looks and feels better than it sounds. The QC issue on my ft1 is preventing me from blind buying the jt7

作为 FT1 的拥有者，我觉得它被严重高估了，跟那些吹爆的评测相比。现在 Sundaras 和 XS 经常打折接近这个价位，作为性价比之选就没那么疯狂了。它哪儿做得都不差，但也没哪方面特别突出。还有头梁的品控问题。给休闲听众当礼物不错，外观和手感比音质好。我这台 FT1 的品控问题让我没法盲购 JT7。

>>109365173

they can literally just EQ any headphone to anything cause they have in ear measurements

他们其实可以用 EQ 把任何耳机调成任何样子，毕竟他们有入耳式测量的数据。

>>109365326

i personally cant stand how it that thing look. Something that is working for highend with brands like ZMF or auditechnica in that price point looks like cheap copy with silly wood on top of it.

我个人很讨厌那东西的长相。在这个价位段，ZMF 或 Audio-Technica 等高端品牌的产品，看起来却像廉价的仿制品，上面加了个傻逼木头装饰。

If u need closed back there isnt much choice unless u are willing to EQ competitors

如果你需要封闭式耳机，选择真的不多，除非你愿意给竞品加 EQ。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKwkGDywq58

>>109363216

>buying IEMs for a graph

>为了看曲线图而买 IEM

Nobody is dumb enough to do this.

没人蠢到干这种事。

any good portable cd player? Or I i just get an old walkman/discman

有什么好的便携 CD 播放器推荐吗？还是说我就搞个老式 Walkman 或 Discman 算了？

>>109364159

dt 770 is more comfortable, has its own issues

DT 770 更舒服，虽然它也有自己的问题。

hd 600/650/6xx are all open backs, mog both and can be found used for less than $150 and aliexpress pads/headband are sub 10 cad

HD 600/650/6XX 都是开放式耳机，两款都能买到，二手价不到 150 美元，而且 Aliexpress 上的耳罩/头梁组件只要不到 10 加元。

if you dont want used specifically you can check out amazon warehouse deals for open box stuff instead, usually your best bet are just random shit from audio technica because they make a lot of headphones, beyerdynamic, sennheiser or one of the chifi ones if you want to gamble on garbage, just lie and say something isn't matching disc and then get 20% back, i've done that 10 times at least

如果你不想专门淘二手，可以看看亚马逊仓储特惠里的开箱商品，通常最好的选择就是随便搞搞 Audio-Technica 的货，因为他们做太多耳机了，或者 Beyerdynamic、Sennheiser，或者想赌一把垃圾的话就搞搞那些 Chifi 牌子。只要撒谎说东西跟描述不符，就能退 20%，我至少干过十次这种操作。

not a lot of options at $150 but buying used you can sometimes luck out a lot harder than you think, i got some hd 600's for $100 cad and every part is replaceable so worst case pads+headband pad + headband assembly would of only been like $90 or something.

150 美元可选的不多，但买二手的话，运气好得超乎你想象。我花 100 加元买了副 HD 600，所有零件都能换，最坏的情况也就是换个耳罩+头梁组件，大概 90 加元左右。

wtf millenials and boomers goes nuts fot that plastic resin look? They pay premium for few extra grams of forever chemicals that look like something for gypsies instead of nice looking natural wood versions.

啥玩意儿，千禧一代和婴儿潮一代对那种塑料树脂质感这么狂热？他们为了几克所谓的“永久化学品”付高价，那东西看起来像吉普赛人的玩意儿，而不是好看的自然木纹版本。

Audiophile version of diy resin tables from tiktok.

这就是抖音上那种 DIY 树脂桌子的发烧友版本。

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784980461956362.jpg

>>109366263

fiio made some good ones I think

我觉得飞傲做过一些不错的。

>>109363821

just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's an "upgrade". if you had iems you would know. raped kikeslave mentality.

仅仅因为更贵并不意味着它就是“升级”。如果你用过 IEM 你就懂了。强奸奴性思维。

>inb4 it's not better because it's more expensive, it's because redditors that think like that said so

>先防着点它：别因为它更贵就说它不好，而是因为像 Reddit 网友那么想的人说的

so tiresome

真是烦死人

>>109361196

Replace 770 with IEMs.

把770换成IEM（入耳式耳机）。

>>109351474

>>USB-C DACs:

>• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8

>• JCally JM6 (非Pro版) / CX Pro - $8

>• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18

>• JadeAudio JIEZI (10段PEQ) - $18

>• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38

>• TRN Black Pearl (10段PEQ) - $38

>• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>• Qudelix 5K (20段PEQ/GEQ) - $110

which one is good enough for gaming? unironically cs2 and rust only

哪个用来打游戏够用？认真问的，只玩CS2和Rust

图片: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1784985034401613.png

>>109367129

even apple dongle will be fine

哪怕是苹果的转接头也完全没问题

>>109367129

U can buy something desktop with volume control (or dongle with volume control) but desu even apple dongle will be enough

你可以买个带音量控制的桌面设备（或带音量控制的转接头），但说实话，哪怕是苹果转接头也够了

>>109367239

>>109367376

i would go for TRN i guess

我大概会选TRN吧

thx for reccoemnding me

谢谢你给我推荐

Off topic but where can I get high quality music from?

跑题了，我在哪能搞到高音质音乐？

I normally use Spotify as it just works plus I get lossless but I wanted to go offline. I used deemix/deezer to download but the songs aren't high quality.

我平时用Spotify，因为即插即用还能听无损，但我想要离线播放。我之前用deemix/Deezer下载，但音质不高。

>>109367129

>>109367499

It's not about how you use it, it's about what IEMs/headphones you got. But TRN should get you covered in most cases.

这取决于你用啥IEM/耳机。不过TRN大多数情况下能胜任。

>>109367583

mchose V9 pro

选择V9 pro