How do people wageslave AND have kids? I'm literally too stressed and emotionally exhausted by the end of most work days. No one idea how one can successfully build a family if they work full time.
人怎么一边当牛马一边生娃啊？我大部分工作日结束都累得身心俱疲。真搞不懂全职上班的人是怎么能成功成家的。
人到底怎么一边当牛马一边生娃的？我真的压力爆炸，情绪都...
How do people wageslave AND have kids? I'm literally too stressed and emotionally exhausted by the end of most work days. No one idea how one can successfully build a family if they work full time.
人怎么一边当牛马一边生娃啊？我大部分工作日结束都累得身心俱疲。真搞不懂全职上班的人是怎么能成功成家的。
It’s called not being a pussy, you little worm
这就叫别当怂逼，你个废物。
They don't spend all their free time on leddit.
人家没把空闲时间全花在刷垃迪(Reddit)上。
Because wageslaving used to cover life's expenses, now its a humiliation ritual designed to drain your soul.
因为以前打工是为了养家糊口，现在成了一场专门掏空你灵魂的羞辱仪式。
>>62591130
Yea im 35 and I have ZERO fucking energy man. I have absolutely no idea how people do it. I have enough energy to get on the bus/train to and from work, and then I just sleep for half the weekend.
是啊，我35了，真他妈一点精力都没有。完全不知道别人怎么做到的。我现在也就够力气上下班坐个公交地铁，然后周末就得睡掉一半时间。
I don’t understand how people go to work AND go to the gym, go out and about like fucking hyper Normie faggots, and deal with children. I simply couldn’t. Kids are cool but having some annoying nagging cunt wife? Fuck no
真不懂那些人怎么一边上班一边健身，还他妈跟打了鸡血的现充傻逼一样到处浪，顺便还能带娃。我是真不行。小孩挺酷的，但娶个天天唠叨逼的怨妇老婆？滚他妈的。
ive noticed everyone I grew up with that does that looks fucking horrible. it ages you worse than cigs and booze. the wife gets fat most of the time too and they never lose the weight
我发现我认识的那些这么干的人看着都特他妈惨。比抽烟喝酒还催人老。老婆也基本都会胖，而且胖了就再也瘦不下来。
>>62591150
I only spend my downtime at work on business and finance forums, but when I'm done I need to recharge being left the fuck alone. No idea how one can even be present with their kids and stuff after. Let alone listen to their wife and fix her problems.
我上班摸鱼也就刷刷商业财经论坛，但一下班我就得一个人待着回血，谁都别来烦我。真不知道这些人下班之后怎么还有精力陪孩子。更别说听老婆唠叨还要帮她解决问题了。
>>62591153
yeah I even work most Saturdays now just to pay rent and have some vacation money saved.
是啊，我现在大多数周六都得上班，就为了交房租和攒点度假钱。
>>62591156
I'm 30 now and literally 0 energy. I can squeeze 3 workouts a week but I'm zapped as is. Sometimes old friends will hit me up or neighbors to go out to bars/events and I'm like dude, I need to just recharge. Can't imagine also stressing about my kid being hypnotized from the media and getting bad habits from other kids etc.
今年30了，精力基本为0。一周能挤3次健身，但已经累成狗了。有时老朋友或邻居叫我出去泡吧、参加活动，我就想说：哥们儿，我只想静静回个血。更别提还要担心孩子被媒体洗脑，或者跟其他孩子学坏什么的。
>>62591162
yeah, never can let the fat person enter you. No exceptions. I stay really lean year round just avoiding carbs unless its a pre or post workout meal.
对，永远别让胖子进入你，没有例外。我全年保持精瘦，方法就是除了训练前或训练后那顿，其他时候不吃碳水。
>>62591130
>put dick in vagina
>把屌插进屄里
>done
it's not that complicated
没那么复杂
>>62591162
yep. Seen this too. Once a woman shits out a kid they’ve fulfilled their purpose
对，我也见过。女人一旦把孩子屙出来，这辈子就算完成使命了。
>can extort the father for child support and fuck Chad on your dime
>可以讹孩子他爹拿抚养费，还能花你的钱操查德(Chad)。
>get benefits
>拿福利
>you have zero legal or moral levetage to compel a woman to be sexually attractive and/or fuck you
>你没有任何法律或道德筹码，能逼一个女人保持性吸引力或者跟你上床。
Etc etc
诸如此类
It’s a lose lose
横竖都是输。
>>62591181
I said successfully. Kids and a wife are a big responsibility. This is also assuming we're white civilized people who want to contribute positively to the world.
我说的是成功的情况。孩子和老婆责任重大。而且这还得假设我们是白人文明人，想给世界做点积极贡献。
>>62591156
you were born with a weak metabolism. ie. you were born bitchmade and a cuck
你天生代谢就弱。也就是说，你天生就是个废物加龟男。
>>62591130
be really rich or be really poor and get gibs
要么巨富，要么巨穷去领福利（gibs）。
>>62591336
how does one get gibs? Prob easier going from middle class to really poor than to get rich. Otherwise will just save enough to make my own gibs from index funds living in thailand
怎么才能领到福利？从中产滑到特别穷，大概比变富容易。不然我就攒够钱，在泰国(Thailand)靠指数基金自己给自己发福利。
38 year old khhv checking in. I always feel exhausted too. I also recently found out (self diagnosed) that I have a vitamin B12 deficiency. Years of feeling tired and even having neurological issues gone unchecked. Doctors were too fucking retarded to make the connection.
38岁 khhv 报个到。我也老是累得不行。最近还自己查出缺维生素B12。这么多年一直累，甚至神经方面都出过问题，结果愣是没人当回事。医生蠢得一批，就没往这上面联想。
That really has nothing to do with being single or not wanting any kids though. I never had any interest in being in a relationship, let alone having a family. Which is interesting because I feel like that’s the wrong mentality to have but at the same time I can’t help it. It’s not much of a choice for me.
不过这跟单身还是不想生孩子真没啥关系。我对谈恋爱本来就一点兴趣没有，更别说组建家庭了。说起来挺怪的，我觉得这种心态不对，但又控制不住。对我来说，这根本不算啥选择。
>>62591363
>vitamin B12 deficiency
>维生素B12缺乏
it really took you that long to start taking Vit B Complex supplements? It's literally the first thing recommended everywhere for basic health
你居然这么久才开始吃复合维B补剂？基础保健这块，这东西哪儿都是首推好吧。
>>62591363
i can relate to the last part. i held on this belief that once i got a good paying job and my own apartment something would trigger in my brain that would want me to pursue a relationship or find new hobbies. obviously never happened and i have accepted it.
最后那段我太能感同身受了。我以前一直相信，只要有了高薪工作和自己的公寓，脑子里就会有什么开关被打开，让我想去谈恋爱或者发展新爱好。结果显然屁都没发生，我也认了。
>>62591414
It was the opposite for me. I wanted to be a dad when I was in high school and early college, then once I worked my first full time job I had 0 desire for that again. Also, probably doesn't help I learned how stressful it was to be in relationships and have to deal with their problems and subconscious mind games all the time PLUS prep for meetings, waking up early, working late, chores, promotions, travel, bills, saving for retirement etc. I used to have like 4-6 hours a day to play games after school and now it's 1 hour or 2 at best after work.
我正好相反。高中和刚上大学那会儿我还想当爹，第一份全职工作一干，再也没这想法了。而且估计也是因为后来我明白了谈恋爱有多累——要处理对方的烂事和没完没了的潜意识博弈，还要准备会议、早起、加班、家务、晋升、出差、账单、存养老金这些破事。以前放学每天能打 4-6 小时游戏，现在下班最多就 1-2 小时。
>>62591141
No you dumb fucking retard, it's not supposed to be this way. Most normalfags can barely handle it yet they do because "hurr durr you're supposed to."
不，你个傻逼智障，生活本来不该是这样的。大多数普通逼也快撑不住了，但他们还是硬扛，就因为“哼哼，反正你本该这样”。
OP is correct, as is >>62591156
楼主说得对，>>62591156 也说得对。
This is not how life is supposed to be.
生活不该是这样的。
>>62591363
for me its genetic and there were more people in the previous generations like me
对我来说是基因决定的，而且前几代人里像我这样的人更多。
my brother is this way too but he actually forced himself and found himself a woman, predictably it ended in a fucking disaster and he has to pay child support now
我弟也是这样，但他硬逼着自己找了个女人，果不其然是一场灾难，现在还得付抚养费。
>>62591882
>This is not how life is supposed to be.
>生活不该是这样的。
Exactly.
>>62591894
>pay child support now
>现在还得付抚养费。
yeah that's what scares me. I'd feel much more inclined to have kids if there was no child support thing. Sometimes I regret saving so much money and not just being some paycheck to paycheck kind of guy with low income. For those guys there's not much to lose anyway.
是啊，我就怕这个。要是没有抚养费这档子事，我会更愿意要孩子。有时候我后悔存了这么多钱，倒不如做个低收入、月光族。反正那些人也没什么可失去的。
>>62591130
I was on a very active vacation in 2024 basically walking everywhere all the time, no guide, no laying on the beach, no jerking off in a hotel for 2 weeks and didn't feel tired at all, even when I slept like shit. It wasn't fueled by some euphoric normoid emotions like "woo wee finally my dream came true le Paris" because I went to fucking Jordan which I never expected or planned to do like 6 months earlier. There's something about wageslaving that just crushes the soul. I don't even have a bad job.
2024年我去来了个高强度度假，基本全程暴走，没导游、不躺沙滩、两周没在旅馆里撸，睡得稀烂也完全不累。不是靠那种“正常人”的狂喜撑着，比如“哇呜~我的梦想终于实现啦，巴黎(Paris)！”，因为我他妈去的是约旦(Jordan)，六个月前我压根没想过、也没计划要去。打工这事儿就是会碾碎灵魂，而且我的工作还不算差。
>>62591130
They need to raise the next generation of workers for us.
他们得替我们养下一代打工人。
My wife ran back to China, leaving me with a 2yo. It's not that hard because the government here (Australia) subsidizes parents so much, including childcare. I work in education, so I only work 30 hours a week and get 12 weeks off every year. It's very doable. I'm even starting a personal business on the side. You have to say goodbye to free time, though.
我老婆跑回中国(China)了，把2岁的娃丢给我。其实没那么难，因为这边政府（澳大利亚(Australia)）给父母补贴很多，托儿也包括。我在教育行业工作，一周只上30小时，每年还有12周假。完全搞得定。我甚至还在搞副业。不过自由时间基本就别想了。
>>62591950
I retired in my 20s. Work 5 days a week is soul crushing.
我二十多岁就退休了。一周上五天班简直碾碎灵魂。
>>62591981
Fuck you, useless eater.
去你妈的，吃干饭的废物。
>>62591950
yeah see this pic >>62591912
对，看这张图 >>62591912。
On the bright side I do travel every month just to feel something new and look forward to something. Hopefully can just retire in southeast asia and travel all the time no waging again.
往好处想，我每个月都出门旅行，就为了找点新鲜感和盼头。希望将来能在东南亚(Southeast Asia)退休，天天旅游，再也不打工。
>>62591981
>You have to say goodbye to free time, though.
>不过你得跟自由时间说再见了。
This is the thing I enjoy most though. I look forward to the freedom when I'm off/weekends. I guess kids is off the table for me.
但这正是我最喜欢的。我盼着下班/周末的自由。看来孩子这事我是别想了。
>>62591363
B deficiency is probably the most overlooked issue, at least in America.
维生素B缺乏大概是最被忽视的问题，至少在美国是这样。
>>62591399
>It's literally the first thing recommended everywhere for basic health
>这真的是哪儿都推荐的基础健康第一步
It is? I have never been to a check up where the physician mentioned taking a vitamin B complex, or any supplement. I only recently learned about it and its symptoms and it’s crazy to think of all the misdiagnosed issues people have when all it is was a lack of a vitamin.
是吗？我体检时医生从没提过要吃复合维生素B，或者其他任何补剂。我最近才了解到它和它的症状；想想那么多人因为缺一种维生素就被误诊成各种问题，真挺离谱的。
>>62591414
I thought I was care when I got older and got a career but it never worked out the way I thought it would. If anything, I have almost no desire to have a family despite having the means to do it. I grew up without a dad so maybe that had some kind of effect on me growing up but I also think it has to do with the times we are living in today since a lot of people share the same sentiment.
我原以为自己年纪大了、有了事业就会好起来，但根本不是那么回事。相反，我明明有条件成家，却几乎一点都不想。我从小没爸，这可能对我成长有影响；不过我觉得也跟当下这个时代有关，很多人都有同感。
>>62591912
>Sometimes I regret saving so much money and not just being some paycheck to paycheck kind of guy with low income
>有时候我后悔存了那么多钱，真不如当个低收入的月光族
Yea I get that. I never really lived pay check to pay check because I’m a jew when it comes to spending money, but at the same time I was way more happy when I was doing part time work a few days a week when I was younger. The work / life balance was perfect. I make nearly 5x more than what I did so even though I’m miserable, it’s hard to just walk away from that knowing how fucked the country is and where it’s headed.
是啊，我懂。我其实也没真正月光过，因为花钱特别抠；但说实话，年轻时一周只干几天兼职那会儿开心多了，工作生活平衡得刚刚好。现在收入几乎是那时的5倍，所以尽管日子过得糟心，也很难说走就走——毕竟看这国家烂成这样，还不知道以后会往哪去。
>>62592212
It's the first thing AI tells you when you ask to supplement or any /fit/ article. Health 101 along with Vid D supplements, fish oil, magnesium and zinc. Should get annual bloodwork too. It's all checked objectively here, so no need for anyone's opinions, just dump the results to AI and ask where you can improve.
你一问补剂，或者任何健身版(/fit/)帖子里，AI都会一上来就告诉你这个。健康入门(Health 101)加上维D补剂、鱼油、镁和锌。每年也该做一次血检。这里全是客观数据说话，用不着听谁的主观意见，直接把化验结果丢给AI，问它还能从哪优化就行。
>physician
can't outsource your thinking to people incentivized for you to just keep seeing over and over or recommend subscriptions of prescriptions. This is also survival of the fittest 101. If not a family doc wouldn't bother.
别把脑子外包给那些巴不得你反反复复上门、还给你开长期处方续订的人。这也是适者生存(survival of the fittest)入门课。不是家庭医生的话，我看都懒得看。
>>62592230
>I was way more happy when I was doing part time work a few days a week when I was younger
>我年轻时每周只干几天兼职，那会儿比现在开心多了。
yeah, honestly really tempted to retire at 500k in index funds and doing some part time gigs a few times a week max. I'm doing everything I can right now to get ahead and feel I'm like two bad days from just ending it all. Literally living for the weekend and occasional vacations.
是啊，说真的，指数基金(index funds)里攒够500k我就想退休了，最多每周接点零活。我现在拼命卷想早日上岸，但感觉自己离彻底崩溃只差两个倒霉日子。基本就靠周末和偶尔放假吊着口气。
>>62591130
It's simple, they half-ass it
很简单，他们就是半吊子。
>>62591130
maybe you just care too much and/or you are physically unhealthy
可能是你太当回事了，或者身体本来就不太行。
>>62591130
They're vacant NPCs anon.
他们是一群空洞的NPC(non-player character)，匿名老哥。
>>62591363
40 yo, not khv but been single since 25, i started lifting heavy weights consistently in january and feel much better, i'd say it's been a game changer, the only supplement i take is vitamin D/K2 once a day because i sit in a windowless office for work
40岁，不是khv（没亲没抱过的处男），但25岁起就一直单身。1月份开始规律大重量撸铁，感觉好多了，可以说是翻天覆地的变化。我每天只补一次维生素D/K2，因为上班得待在没有窗户的办公室里。
at this point i've accepted my solo life, luckily i don't get lonely like most people, job is ok, been investing so i can probably retire early because my cost of living is cheap, vidya is a low cost hobby
到了这一步，我已经接受单身生活了，还好我不像大多数人那样容易孤独，工作还行，一直在做投资，估计能提前退休，因为生活费低，而且打游戏也是个低成本爱好。
>>62591156
These normalfags drink monster, that's all.
这些现充（normalfags）就喝魔爪（Monster）能量饮料，仅此而已。
>>62591981
>actually raising your wife's kid
>真替你老婆养别人的娃啊
Just drop it off for adoption m8
直接送去让人领养算了，老兄。
>>62591162
I believe this is often because modern day parents treat their children like the child is "their world". They lose their independence and now attach their worth to the child/children. Very common with women but men do it as well. Parents that don't do this and treat their child as an independent being from themselves, seem to fare better. These parents are also rare nowadays but they were probably more common when kids had to help out in the house instead of only going to school and enjoying a leisurely childhood. Today, parents sacrifice themselves entirely for their next generation to try to make it (which is not a thing anymore since everyone can go to college and everything is extremely expensive). Then their kids are going to do the same thing. They're just continuing this specific cycle that needs to break because it doesn't work anymore. Once a child is not a toddler anymore, they need to be treated more independently.
我觉得这很大程度上是因为现在的父母把孩子当成“他们的全世界”。他们丧失了独立性，把自我价值全拴在孩子身上。女人里很常见，男人也不少。那些不这样、把孩子当作独立个体的父母，日子过得反而更好。这种父母现在很少见，但在过去可能更普遍，那时候孩子得帮忙干家务，而不是只上学、享受悠闲童年。如今父母为了下一代能出人头地，把自己整个儿牺牲进去（可这条路早走不通了，人人都能上大学，而且什么都贵得要死）。然后他们的孩子也会如法炮制。他们只是在延续一个早该被打破的循环，因为这招现在已经不管用了。孩子一旦过了幼儿期，就该被更独立地对待。
>>62591130
you are supposed to be stressed from work and use your wife to relieve that stress and its the duty of your wife to use your cum to give you kids, but goymerica is so broken and brainwashed that you cannot have anything so thats why it feels like shit
你本来就该被工作压得喘不过气，然后拿老婆泄压；老婆的天职就是拿你的精给你生孩子。但戈伊美利卡(goymerica)烂透了、洗脑彻底，你啥都落不着，所以才过得像屎。
>>62591130
Modern man have IUI and IVF to make it work, you don’t even need to put dick in the vagina, it just work! Magic happens!
现代人能靠人工授精(IUI)和试管婴儿(IVF)搞定，连屌都不用插进去，照样能成！跟变魔术一样！
>>62591130
Employim fuck and suck as a coping mechanism, which is ironic because if life sucks, why even breed? Aren't you forcing another soul to wage and rage from cradle to grave or even die as cannon fodder, etc.? But that hypocrisy can be explained by normalfags being irrational, selfish and primitive.
上班族(Employim)靠打炮和口交来解压，这就很讽刺——既然生活都这么烂了，还生什么孩子？你不就是在逼另一个灵魂从生到死都当牛马、憋着一肚子火，甚至当炮灰送死吗？但这双标很好解释，因为现充(normalfags)本来就没脑子、自私又原始。
>>62591981
So you're an australian employim who dated asians? Grim, bro.
所以你是个澳大利亚(Australian)上班族(employim)，还谈过亚裔？兄弟，这也太惨了。
>>62591162
It doesn't help that females gaslight each other and the rest of the population into believing that telling a woman to self-improve is a form of emotional abuse and hate crime. They're broken by the system to such a hilarious degree
更糟的是，女人之间互相洗脑，还把其他人也带沟里，让大家真觉得劝女人自我提升就是情感虐待和仇恨犯罪。她们被这系统规训得这么离谱，简直好笑。
>>62592613
Low test or sleep apnea. Lose weight and go see a doctor.
睾酮低或者睡眠呼吸暂停。减减肥，去看医生。
>>62591130
Yeah idk man. When I waged in my 20s Id get home and just want to play video games but was maybe too stressed to even enjoy sometimes
是啊，我也不知道怎么说。我二十来岁当牛马那会儿，下班回家只想打游戏，但有时候压力太大，连玩都玩不爽。
>>62593277
Crybaby foid
哭包母人(foid)。
>>62592295
>magnesium
I’m taking B D and fish oil. How important is adding magnesium to the mix? I heard it helps you sleep and shit but I don’t have a problem with either of those so I never bothered with it
我在吃B和D族维生素还有鱼油。再加镁片重要吗？听说能助眠通便，但我两样都没毛病，所以一直没当回事。
>>62593535
It's good for energy, muscles, nerves, heart, and bones.
对精力、肌肉、神经、心脏和骨头都有好处。
>>62592834
> These parents are also rare nowadays but they were probably more common when kids had to help out in the house instead of only going to school and enjoying a leisurely childhood
> 这种父母现在也不多见，但以前孩子得在家帮忙干活的时候大概多得多，那会儿可不是只上学、过悠闲日子。
It’s interesting to see. I don’t have kids but all my family and friends treat their kids that way. Even the teenagers. They have little to no responsibility. I don’t try to get involved in their business but sometimes I wonder if they let the kids do whatever they want because the parents themselves are too busy dealing with their own shit and it’s probably easier to handle everything on their own.
看着挺有意思。我没孩子，但我亲戚朋友都这么带娃，连青少年也不例外。这些孩子几乎没啥责任感。我不爱掺和他们家的事，但有时候会想，父母是不是自己也有一堆破事要处理，干脆让孩子爱咋咋地，反正自己全包还更省事。
>then their kids are going to do the same thing
> 那他们的孩子以后也会有样学样。
It will be worse. These kids don’t have any basic practical skills in life because they had everything taken care of for them. They might be able to get by watching some YouTube videos but that would still require them to actually do something which is a foreign concept for them
只会更糟。这些孩子连最基本的生活技能都没有，因为凡事都有人替他们搞定。看YouTube视频可能还能凑合，但那也得他们真动手去做——这对他们来说可是个陌生概念。
>>62593587
I might try taking some to see how I react. Any specific form and dosage I should get?
我可能先吃点试试，看看反应。有没有什么推荐的剂型和剂量？
>>62591130
I have no idea
我也不知道。
>>62591130
I have tens of millions of dollars, so my third child had round the clock care with a "night nurse" (available 24/7) plus the regular nanny who works 40+ hours a week with the other two. Plus a housekeeper to take out the stinkies. I don't really have to work but I do some shit for the love of the game.
我有几千万美元，所以老三全天都有人照顾，还请了个“夜间护士”（24/7待命），另外有个普通保姆每周带另外两个娃40多个小时。再配个保洁，专门处理那些臭烘烘的玩意儿。我其实不上班也行，但就是找点事做，纯为爱发电。
>>62591130
>How do people wageslave AND have kids?
> 打工人是怎么做到一边当牛马一边养娃的？
It's not worth it honestly. Unless you're kids will be mixed race, don't do it.
说实话，真不值。除非你的孩子是混血，否则别生。
>>62591130
You're supposed to outsource parenting to the state. They know better than you do after all
养孩子就该外包给国家，反正他们比你懂。
>>62591981
Why did you impregnate a woman that would/could "run back to China"
你为啥要让一个会/能“跑回中国(China)”的女人怀孕？
>>62591981
Based raising your future hapa daughter-wife
支持，养大你未来的 hapa 女儿老婆。
>>62591130
The secret is after the first couple years kids take up almost none of your time. They're in school most of the day and playing games in their spare time.
秘诀就是头几年一过，孩子基本不占用你时间。白天大部分在学校，闲下来就打游戏。
Also they're incredible tax deductions and rebates so having kids means you can work less. I think the US was paying me about $4k tax freeper year per kid cash and then cutting another about 4k off my taxes. Having kids literally pays so long as you don't go crazy spending on them
而且他们抵税退税很猛，有孩子意味着你可以少上点班。我记得美国(US)每年每个孩子直接给我大概 $4k 免税现金，然后再从我的税里减掉约 $4k。只要不在孩子身上乱花，生孩子真就是赚钱的。
>>62592295
>It's the first thing AI tells you
>这是人工智能(AI)最先告诉你的。
>can't outsource your thinking
>思考没法外包。
OK, boss.
行，老板。
>>62595451
>The secret is after the first couple years kids take up almost none of your time. They're in school most of the day and playing games in their spare time.
>秘诀就是头几年一过，孩子基本不占用你时间。白天大部分在学校，闲下来就打游戏。
This nigga is a terrible father lmao, your children are raising themselves
笑死，这老哥当爹当得稀烂，你家孩子全靠自己长大。
>Having kids literally pays so long as you don't go crazy spending on them
>只要不在孩子身上乱花，生孩子真就是赚钱的。
Just kidding, your kids are being raised by shitheads in public schools
逗你呢，你家孩子正被公立学校那群傻逼养大。
>energy
You have to "induce" energy. So, do the hard workouts and then you will build up to maintaining that lifestyle. Don't wait for the energy to come to you to start doing it.
你得“诱导”出精力。所以，先做高强度训练，然后才能慢慢维持那种生活方式。别等精力自己找上门再开始。
More importantly, keep job hopping until you find one that is low stress, even if you make less money. Sacrifice materialism for this. Being present with your own kids is easy. As for wife, just ignore unless there are actual problems.
更重要的是，一直跳槽，直到找到份压力小的活，哪怕钱少点。为此可以牺牲物质享受。陪孩子很简单。至于老婆，没问题就别管她。
>>62591912
>that's what scares me
>我就怕这个
Why should it scare you?
这有什么好怕的？
You already don't have much to lose, and your more likely to lose it in the next false flag financial hack, bank bail-ins, hyperinflation, or some other Great Takening memes.
你本来就没多少可失去的，反而更可能在下一轮假旗金融黑客、银行自救、恶性通胀或者别的"大收割"梗里赔光。
In the end do you really need more to be satisfied?
说到底，你真的需要那么多才满足吗？
Ironically, the less you care about divorce, the less likely it is to happen.
讽刺的是，你越不在乎离婚，越不容易离。
Most normies are on the verge of cracking all the time and have to medicate with drugs/alcohol/painkillers to cope. Now there are some women who live to basically do "busywork" all the time and thrive on it. They genuinely get off on dealing with meaningless bullshit like paperwork, office issues, packing kids lunches, making appointments, fucking around with emails and excel spreadsheets, etc. However these women will also employ this talent to henpeck you, The men cope by sitting on the couch and zoning out watching negroball, drinking, and painkillers. I kind of get it as II get older, when im tired I dont want to do stimulating video games or hobbies, I just want to sit on the couch and vegetate and watch something to glaze my eyes over. And thats of the normies that have some shred of a soul; a larger portion just live to work and deal with kid bullshit and they are hollow shells of people for anything outside that; no hobbies, interests, personal goals/ambitions, nothing. If you have a soul as a man and want to continue developing yourself in different ways alongside a career and kids, genuinely the only way is if your career pays enough that your wife can be stay at home, AND your wife is one of the good ones who actually does stuff, AND your career doesnt drain your soul too much and you dont work too much at it, AND you live in a decent place. Its that, or make enough from a crypto moonshot that you can be stay at home.
大部分普通人其实一直处在崩溃边缘，只能靠药物/酒精/止痛药硬撑。有些女人活着就是整天做“瞎忙”，还干得如鱼得水。她们是真能从处理这些没意义的破事里获得快感，比如填表、办公室扯皮、给孩子准备便当、预约各种事、折腾邮件和Excel表格等等。但她们也会把这本事用在你身上，对你唠叨个没完。男人的应对方式就是瘫在沙发上看黑人球、喝酒、吃止痛药来放空。我年纪大了以后也能理解点，累了的时候不想打刺激的游戏或搞爱好，只想往沙发上一躺当植物人，看点东西让眼神放空。这还是那些还剩点灵魂的普通人；更大一部分人活着就是为了上班和应付孩子那堆破事，除了这些之外完全就是空壳，没爱好、没兴趣、没个人目标/抱负，什么都没有。作为一个男人，如果你还有点灵魂，想在事业和孩子之外继续在不同方面发展自己，那真正可行的办法只能是：你赚得够多，让老婆能全职在家；并且你老婆是那种真正干事的好女人；同时你的工作不能太消耗灵魂，加班也别太多；而且你还得住在一个像样的地方。要么就这些条件全凑齐，要么就靠加密货币一波暴富，直接自己在家躺平。
>>62591130
The kids is what makes wage slaving tolerable. Imagine coming home to a loving family everyday
孩子才是让这牛马日子还能过下去的理由。想想每天下班回一个有人等、有人爱的家。
>>62591130
>>62591156
Divorced dad of 3 here. Surviving in a van by the river. All my money goes to child support. I legit have 4.5k going to my crazy bitch ex wife and my kids who I can't even see because my living situation is deemed unsafe like no fucking shit it's unsafe. She did this to me she made up a whole bunch of nonsense and said I was unfit to even see my kids then the courts fucked me and put a huge child support payment plan on me when they looked at my previous W2 before I had to sell my fucking company to pay for the divorce lawyer. I literally had no job getting divorced but they didn't give a fuck. Now I uber eats 7 days a week and work as a tutor from my phone for 8 hours after I'm done working. I work 132 hours a week. Like someone pray for me. I don't know what I'm even doing now. My kids don't even love me
三个娃的离异爹，现在住河边货车里苟活。所有钱都拿去付抚养费。每个月实打实4.5k给那个疯婊子前妻和娃，但我连娃都见不到，就因为我这居住环境被判定“不安全”——那他妈当然不安全。全是她害的，编了一堆屁话说我不配见孩子；然后法院坑我，按我离婚前还没卖公司、还没请离婚律师时的那张旧W2收入，给我定了个天价抚养费。我离婚那会明明没工作，他们压根不在乎。现在一周七天跑Uber Eats，送完再用手机当家教干8小时。一周干132小时。谁来救救我。我都不知道自己在干嘛。我娃根本不爱我。
>>62595952
Leave and go to Alaska fuck that shit
走，去阿拉斯加(Alaska)，去他妈的。
The serious answer is it all depends on if you gain happiness, energy, and enjoyment from having others around you. The people who can drive 1 hour to work, work a shitty 8 hour job, and drive back another 1 hour through traffic can either be looking forward to seeing their spouse/kids, or feel burned out because all they want to do is watch some sports, drink, or play vidya.
认真说，关键看你能不能从身边有人这件事里获得快乐、动力和乐趣。那些能开一小时车上班、干一份狗屎八小时工作、再堵一小时回家的人，要么盼着回家见老婆孩子，要么早就累瘫了，只想看看球、喝喝酒、打打游戏。
People like >>62591274 >>62591141 are dependent on others and would start slitting their wrists if they were alone. Other people would find peace.
像 >>62591274 >>62591141 这种人不靠别人活不下去，一个人待着怕不是得割腕。别人反而清静了。
Do what makes you happy. You should neither listen to people who demand having a family is the key to happiness, nor people here saying having gotten married was the worst thing to happen to them.
做让自己开心的事。别听那些说成家才幸福的人，也别听这楼里那些说结婚是人生最惨遭遇的人。
>>62595952
>>62595956
0/10 advice
0/10 的建议。
>>62596950
you are jsut a stupid cuck salve nigger bitch your kids hate you. your ex wife is getting BBC every night you could die right now and no one would give a fuck. Keep working those 130 hours a week faggot. just move to Alaska and stop being a cuck
你就是个蠢绿帽奴隶黑鬼婊子，你孩子恨死你，你前妻每晚都在接 BBC，你现在死了也没人会管。继续每周干 130 小时吧，死基佬。赶紧搬去阿拉斯加，别再当绿帽奴了。
>>62597015
You make a good point. But ain't no way. I'd have to pocket money to move there. By the time I get the money I'll have been late on child support. It's a catch 22. Hell maybe I should walk thousands of miles to Mexico and then Brazil, live in the Amazon
你说得有道理，但不可能。我得先攒钱才能搬过去，等攒够钱，抚养费早逾期了。这就是个死结。妈的，要不我干脆步行几千英里去墨西哥，再去巴西，住亚马逊雨林里算了。
>>62597086
bro you wont get extradited on some punk ass child support all the way in Alaska. Honestly stop being a bitch take control of your life and tell the courts your ex wife and kids to go fuck them selfs.
兄弟，阿拉斯加才不会为那点破抚养费大老远把你引渡回去。说真的，别怂了，掌控自己的人生，告诉法院、你前妻和孩子都滚他妈的。
take a grey hound paid in cash
坐灰狗（Greyhound）长途车，现金买票。
>>62591130
people with children have more energy and live longer. before they go to sleep at night they put their penises into their wives vagina. this gives them a buff to their sleep that doubles its effectiveness and removing stress and ailments.
有孩子的人精力更旺、活得更久。他们晚上睡觉前会把鸡巴插进老婆阴道里，这样能给睡眠加 buff，效果翻倍，还能减压祛病。
>>62591130
This thread shows the kind of people that use 4chan.
这楼完美展示了 4chan 用户都是些什么货色。
In the actual world everyone is simply living, meeting women, having kids, building lives together.
在现实世界里，大家不过就是过日子、找对象、生孩子、一起经营生活。
Hard work. Commitment. Some passion. And the rest just happens.
努力工作。有责任心。有点热情。剩下的随缘。
>>62597120
> actual world
> 现实世界
4chins has and is shaping your actual world.
4chan(4chins) 塑造了你的现实世界，而且现在仍在塑造。
Thinkers don't waste much thought on the normie rituals of life, or having kids. Which isn't ideal, but that's what it is.
有思想的人不会把心思花在俗人那一套人生流程或者生孩子上。虽然不咋理想，但就这样。
> the kind of people that use 4ch
> 用4chan的这帮人
A few of the kind of people using this place are literal genius tier.
这地方里有些人是真·天才级别的。
Then dont forget it
那就别忘了。
I was fine with my fulltime job and did sports and hobbies on the side, but now with kids its just fulltime work and then kids and home and nothing else, if you cant even cope with your job alone kids maybe arent for you
我以前全职上班，业余时间运动和搞爱好，过得还行；现在有孩子了就是上班、孩子、家务，别的啥也没有。如果你连工作都扛不住，那可能真不适合要孩子。
They cope. Their lives are stressful and they are going nowhere.
他们在硬撑。生活压力大，也没啥出路。
Post 2020, their wages buy less and less.
2020年以后，工资越来越不够花。
Their kids will be mindless workers like their parents.
他们的孩子以后也会像他们一样，当没脑子的打工人。
It is so over for the non capitalist classs.
非资本家阶级这下彻底完了。
>>62597120
Wrong, everyone is suffering. Go to a bar after work hours, go on the subway during rush hours.
错，所有人都在受苦。下班时间去趟酒吧，高峰期去挤趟地铁。
Everyone is stuck.
大家都被困住了。
Have you ever worked a full time job?
你上过全职班吗？
Work IS your life when you have a full time job.
有全职工作的时候，工作就是你的人生。
If you need to work for a living today, you aren’t seen as person by the wealthy.
在现在，如果你还得靠打工维生，有钱人是不会把你当人的。
As an example. Whoever comes up with and draws memes like this is a genius. Because this is absolutely true. And once you saw it, you realize you were too dumb or too smart to see it yourself.
举个例子。能想出并画出这种梗图(meme)的人真是天才。因为这太真实了。而且一旦你看见了，就会意识到自己要么太蠢，要么太聪明，所以才自己没看出来。
I have an 11 month old. I love her so much but my God I really have no free time except for when I go to the gym. I work from home and my wife is a stay at home mom so it can be a bit hectic sometimes. Nevertheless I'd like another one
我有个11个月大的娃。我爱她爱得要死，但天呐，除了去健身房，我真的一点空闲时间都没有。我在家办公，老婆是全职妈妈，所以有时挺乱的。不过我还想再要一个。
>>62597288
Yup. And there are families raising THEIR 11 month old while retired and with servants. It was over before it began
是啊。还有人家退休了、有佣人，照样带他们11个月大的娃。还没开始就已经结束了。
>>62597270
This meme was not made by a genius. Being top tier IQ is absolute hell
这梗图不是天才画的。顶级智商简直就是地狱。
>>62597399
Checked.
The biggest psyop 4chan pushed was telling neets to get jobs and have kids with sluts
4chan搞过最大的心理战(psyop)，就是忽悠家里蹲(NEET)去找工作，再跟骚货生孩子。
>>62591130
Are you /fit/?
你混/fit/吗？
Are you living a degenerate life style?
你日子过得挺糜烂吗？
If your body can't handle anything after work, it usually means you have been neglecting it
要是下班之后身体啥都受不了，基本说明你一直在糟蹋它。
>>62597454
You either have kids with sluts or unattractive females. The bottom 99% of men are fucked.
你要么跟骚货生孩子，要么跟丑女生孩子。底层99%的男人都完蛋了。
>>62597120
>In the actual world everyone is simply living, meeting women, having kids, building lives together
>在现实世界里，大家只是正常生活、认识女人、生孩子、一起过日子
This is just not true. I actually am doing this and I notice more and more that I among a minority. The average person is not doing this.
根本不是这么回事。我确实就是这样过的，但越来越发现自己是少数派。普通人根本没这样。
>>62597507
you made a mistake here, the fat unattractive females are ALSO sluts, it's just that they were skinny 10 years ago but put on the covid 19 and never lost it. And the covid 20 and 21 and 22 as well.
你说错了，胖丑女也是骚货，只是她们十年前还瘦，后来涨了新冠19(COVID-19)斤，再也没减掉。接着又涨了新冠20、21、22斤。
>>62597515
Every board is full of failed normalfags who are either trolling with the
每个版块都挤满了失败的现充（normalfags），他们要么在拿那句
>everyone owns a house and has a wife and kids by 30, except you!
>30岁前人人有房有老婆有孩子，就你除外！
Line, or they actually believe it because they're out of touch and permanently online.
反串，要么就是真信了，毕竟他们已经脱离现实、全天候泡在网上。
>>62597530
This
But those born from good families really live in a different reality than those that don’t
但出身好的人确实跟出身不好的人活在两个世界，
>>62597533
or even just having parents that are well off and actually help you out instead of neglecting you.
哪怕只是父母有点钱、愿意帮你，而不是对你不闻不问。
You people up there above me, you are fake. Pls tell me that. Can't be real.
你们这些排在我上面的人，全是假的吧。求你们告诉我是假的。不可能真这样。
>>62591981
Disgusting worm pissing in your gene pool.
恶心的蛆虫，在往自己基因池里撒尿。
>>62591141
You must have a pretty easy and sheltered life to utter that dogshit seriously, boy.
能一本正经说出这种狗屎话，小老弟你日子过得太顺，根本就是被保护得好好的吧。
>>62595952
Man, just stop paying and run away. The kids are probably not yours anyway.
兄弟，直接断供跑路算了。反正孩子多半也不是你的。
>>62595952
jesus dude. Gtfo to some 3rd world country. If you can manage to work that hard you'll always find a way to thrive anywhere
我去，兄弟。赶紧润去个第三世界国家。你要真有那么拼，放哪儿都能混得开。
Although thinking about it you're probably a jewish shill trying to scare white people from building famillies
不过转念一想，你怕不是个犹太水军（jewish shill），专门吓唬白人别组建家庭的吧。
I know a guy that has 5 children, runs a 50 employee business, works out regularly, volunteers in different associations, etc. I can only assume he literally schedules his entire life months in advance. As for me? I procrastrinate doing laundry until I have one clean underwear left.
我认识一个人，5个孩子，经营一家50人的公司，规律健身，还在各种协会当义工，等等等等。我只能猜他整个人生都是按月提前排好的。至于我？洗衣服能拖到只剩一条干净内裤。
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