放弃金本位是个错误吗？
The cost of living crisis is ultimately an inflation crisis. There's too much cheap money in the system because banking insiders can lobby the government for truck loads of BS fiat currency whenever they lose big in the markets. Being on the Gold Standard would constrain the bankers and governments in terms of how much latitude they have to change the rules of the game whenever it suits them.
生活成本危机说到底就是通胀危机。体系里便宜钱太多，因为银行内部人士在市场里亏大的时候，就能游说政府印出一车车的废纸法币。金本位会限制银行家和政府，不让他们想改游戏规则就改。
There isn't enough gold on the planet to pay for global trade. If you increase the value of gold to cover global trade it goes to millions of dollars per ounce and you have to outlaw owning it otherwise one dude with a shovel and a gold pan can go make millions of dollars per month working part time
地球上黄金不够支付全球贸易。如果你把黄金价值抬高到能覆盖全球贸易，金价会涨到每盎司几百万美元，然后你只能立法禁止持有，不然随便一个人拿把铲子和淘金盘，兼职干干每月都能赚几百万美元。
>>62588334
Wouldn't be the first time.
又不是第一次了。
>>62588314
The crazy thing is that money doesn’t need a standard. It just needs confidence. You don’t need to issue it with interest either.
最疯狂的是，钱根本不需要标准，只要有信心就行。你发币也不用带利息。
>>62588334
Nope you just make a digital gold asset that is pegged to the supply of all the gold in existence which is roughly 244,000 tonnes of gold and when someone mines it that would be natural inflation. A 1:1 ratio puts the total gold to $35 trillion. If you go to a river and mine some that would be roughly $11 to $114, not millions. Gold mining companies would then be responsible to the inflation instead of the fed which is killing all of our buying powers. This would be a better model than the fiat one.
不对，你只需要做一个数字黄金资产，锚定全世界现存全部黄金的总量，大约是244,000吨。有人挖出新黄金，那就是自然通胀。按1:1对应，黄金总市值约35万亿美元。你去河里淘点金大概也就值11到114美元，不是什么几百万。到那时，黄金矿业公司要为通胀负责，而不是美联储(fed)，后者正在侵蚀我们所有人的购买力。这比法币(fiat)模式强多了。
>>62588464
>to the inflation
">对通胀负责"
for the inflation
"应为通胀负责"
>>62588464
Check your math
你的账算错了吧。
Also 35 trillion is just annual trade and ignores the pool of money not trading at any particular time
而且35万亿美元只是年交易量，没把当时没在流动的资金池算进去。
>>62588513
Math checks out. What I'm saying it, everyone switches to that model because trying to merge them isn't going to work. They contradict. Based on your logic you're saying we should be able to merge the current fiat bullshit into Bitcoin. No lol
账本身没问题。我是说，大家都该切到那个模式，因为硬合并行不通，它们互相矛盾。按你这逻辑，好像还能把现在的法币(fiat)那套垃圾跟比特币(Bitcoin)合并似的。没门 lol
>>62588523
My id changed, because I'm traveling.
我ID变了，因为在出差。
>>62588523
You're 4 decimals off I think
我觉得你差了四位小数。
>>62588533
bro, what he is saying it, at 244,000 metric tons of gold equals approximately $35.05 trillion at a spot price of $4,467.80 per troy ounce which is accurate.
兄弟，他的意思是，244,000公吨黄金按每金衡盎司4,467.80美元的现货价算，总值约35.05万亿美元，这数是对的。
>>62588539
No, I just mean, at current values as if the new digital asset was created right now.
不是，我只是说按现在的估值算，就当这个新数字资产是刚发行的。
>>62588542
okay? but what I said isn't wrong lol
所以呢？我又没说错lol
>>62588539
Ah. In that case he's grossly miscalculating how much gold a person can mine in a month while still ignoring savings and debt
啊这，那他明显高估了一个人一个月能采多少金，储蓄和债务也压根没算。
>>62588548
oh fair point. what is your math?
哦有道理，你怎么算的？
>>62588550
7 billion troy ounces to cover ~155 trillion total money supply and a person in the US can pretty easily pan 1.5 ounces per month
70亿金衡盎司(troy ounces)去对应约155万亿的总货币供应量，而美国(US)一个人每月轻轻松松就能淘到1.5盎司。
>>62588556
its a digital asset. none of that would apply, just like if you swapped over all values in terms of bitcoin.
这是数字资产，那些都不适用，就像你按比特币(bitcoin)把所有价值换算一遍一样。
>>62588556
just like how other countries has exchange rates. moving to a new system just converts all current values
就跟其他国家的汇率一个道理，换到新体系只是把现在的价值全部换算过去。
>>62588561
Then it's not actually a gold standard since you can't sell gold for the standard price and the value is subject to manipulation
那这就不是真正的金本位(gold standard)了，因为你没法按标准价卖出黄金，而且价值还容易被操控。
>>62588570
you're fixated on the "gold standard" which is what I was saying in my op post, but what that anon is saying is a total system convert away from the fed. We are talking about 2 different things.
你死抓着“金本位”不放，我主楼也是这么说的，但那个匿名老哥(anon)说的是彻底换体系、脱离美联储(Fed)。咱俩说的根本是两码事。
>>62588579
Gold not needed
不需要黄金。
But yes, I assumed since anon said back with gold 1:1 we were still talking about gold
但确实，我以为匿名老哥说1:1用黄金背书，我们还在聊黄金。
Clearly not
显然不是。
>>62588314
>>62588464
Gold as a backing won't work anymore. It would cripple the economy. What do you do when a bunch of people come in looking for a loan to start a business or build something but there's not enough gold to back it? You tell them sorry wait in line? Then the economy shrinks.
黄金背书已经玩不转了，会把经济搞瘫。一堆人跑来贷款创业或做项目，可黄金不够背书，你咋办？跟他们说抱歉排队等着？那经济就萎缩了。
Not to mention the actual ownership of the physical gold. If you don't see the shitshow involved with that then you're in the wrong basket weaving forum.
更不用说实物黄金的实际归属权了。要是你看不出这中间的烂摊子，那你来错编篮子论坛(basket weaving forum)了。
>>62588599
>What do you do when a bunch of people come in looking for a loan to start a business or build something
那要是有一群人跑来借钱，想创业或者建点什么，你怎么办？
that is a very easy problem to fix, you start burning the newly created gold asset per loan amount than mint once the loan is paid back.
这很好解决：按贷款金额烧掉新造的黄金资产，等贷款还清了再铸出来。
>>62588610
that changes the value of the digital asset vs. Gold supply.
这会改变数字资产相对黄金供应量的价值。
If you can change the value it's not backed by gold. Gold not needed.
价值能动，那还叫什么锚定黄金。黄金根本没必要。
What you're suggesting is we start using crypto and pretend it's backed by gold
你说的不就是让我们用加密货币（crypto），然后假装它锚定黄金吗？
>>62588314
The Rothschilds owned basically all the gold by the 1900s.
到1900年代，罗斯柴尔德家族（The Rothschilds）基本已经把黄金都攥手里了。
They control the countries who have gold, so it's less relevant to them now than before, but gold is an economic weapon they used to pump and crash countries.
他们控制着有黄金的国家，所以黄金对他们来说已经不如以前重要了，但它仍是他们用来先炒高再砸崩国家的经济武器。
>>62588599
> What do you do when a bunch of people come in looking for a loan to start a business or build something but there's not enough gold to back it? You tell them sorry wait in line?
那要是有一群人跑来借钱创业或者建东西，但黄金不够背书，你怎么办？让他们排队等着吗？
No, you offer them credit at a higher interest rate, interest paid in gold. The economy will grow at the natural rate, inline with the natural stages of human life. The fiat juices aberration of modernity is not natural.
不用，你提供高利率信贷，利息用黄金支付。经济会按自然速度增长，符合人生各阶段的自然规律。法币（fiat）催出来的现代性畸形，本来就不是自然的。
The problem is not and has never been credit, its fiat, and even more so, fiat credit. Without gold to anchor prices to something in the real world, the price signal in the economy drifts into the ether.
问题从来不是信用，而是法币，尤其是法币信用。没有黄金把物价锚定在现实世界的东西上，经济里的价格信号就会飘进虚无。
People think hyperinflation means “prices go up really fast”. Thats not correct, hyperinflation fundamentally is “I don’t know what anything costs today, and I don’t know what the price will be tomorrow”. This paradox is the price signal breakdown and tends towards infinity. Money is not a points system, it’s a real physical thing with mass, and when a monetary system departs from any anchoring in the physical the result is always the same.
人们以为恶性通胀(hyperinflation)就是“价格涨得飞快”。这不对，恶性通胀本质上是“我今天不知道任何东西多少钱，明天也不知道会是什么价”。这个悖论就是价格信号(price signal)崩溃，并且趋向无穷。钱不是点数系统，它是有质量的实物；一旦货币体系脱离任何实物锚定，结果永远一样。
Im 38 with 3 pensions. How you doing.
我38岁，有3份养老金。你呢？
>>62588314
We should introduce the Token Standard
我们应该引入代币标准(Token Standard)。
>real scarcity
>真正的稀缺性
>intristic value
>内在价值
>convenient
>>62590884
>Token Standard
>代币标准
>real scarcity
>真正的稀缺性
Thinking isn't your strong suit.
你好像不太会动脑子。
Unless you treat economics like a system of morality like many libertarians and other retards do, no. Every problem caused by going off it when we did pales in comparison to stating on it. Eventually it'll be better to get back on it and we'll do that then.
除非你跟很多自由意志主义者(libertarians)和其他傻逼一样把经济学当道德体系，否则不会。我们当时脱离它所造成的每个问题，比起继续留在它上面都不值一提。等到重新回归它更划算的时候，我们自然会那么做。
>hoped that Miners would finally go on a real run
>原本指望矿业股(Miners)终于能真正涨一波
>bounces off the resistance and shits itself again
>反弹到阻力位(resistance)又崩了
I'm so TIRED of this shit
我他妈真是受够这破事了。
I HATE all the goldbug retards on this fucking board holy shit
我他妈恨死这个版上所有金虫(goldbug)傻逼了，操。
>inb4 u should have bought solid instead of miners
>我先说：你当时该买实物(solid)，而不是矿股。
FUCK you I'm here to make money not to larp as part of your little club of STACKOOORS you stupid fuck
操你妈，老子是来赚钱的，不是来陪你那帮囤金佬(STACKOOORS)的小圈子过家家的，傻逼。
At a certain point this board stopped being cutting edge analysis and just became dumbass baggies and gambling idiots.
到了某个节点，这个版就不再是前沿分析，只剩下一群傻逼接盘侠和赌狗。
>>62588334
How about we just don't use gold only and instead just use every commodity and equity instead of money? We have the computers to middle man all these trades. I should be able to go to McDonalds and pay with corn or McDonalds stock if I want and then McDonalds would receive what they want out of the trade with the computer making the trades automatically. The value of everything would be measured against the value of everything else and the "price" would just be a unit-less number and not an actual thing you can own by itself.
要不咱们别只用黄金了，干脆把所有大宗商品和股票都当钱来用？现在的电脑完全能撮合这些交易。我想去麦当劳(McDonalds)的时候，应该能用玉米或者麦当劳股票付款，然后麦当劳收到它想要的东西，交易由电脑自动完成。所有东西的价值互相衡量，“价格”就只是个没有单位的数字，而不是一种能单独持有的东西。
>>62588334
all that means is gold becomes more valuable but it still works as the currency.
那只能说明黄金更值钱了，但它仍然能当货币用。
we can use gold silver and copper, idiot.
我们可以用黄金、白银和铜，傻逼。
Meaning most jobs pay in silver, and something like 100 or 1000 ounces of silver gets you 1/20 ounce of gold.
意思就是大部分工作用白银发工资，大概100或1000盎司白银能换1/20盎司黄金。
The ratios can be figured out based on supply.
兑换比例根据供应量来定就行。
>>62591446
>suggests using copper as money
>建议用铜当钱
>calls other people idiots
>还骂别人是傻逼
We will never use copper as money as long as we're using electricity.
只要还在用电，我们就永远不会用铜当钱。
>>62588314
The gold standard doesn't prevent shit.
金本位屁都阻止不了。
No, I won't elaborate further. I'm tired.
不，我不会再解释了。我累了。
>>62591563
it does because it limits how much money can be made out of thin air and declared "valuable" by some Jew
有用，因为它限制了凭空印出来的钱，也限制了某个犹太人张嘴宣布“这有价值”。
You won't elaborate because you literally can't, and prefer to lie instead like the Jew you are.
你不解释是因为你根本解释不了，只会像你这种犹太人一样撒谎。
>>62588314
A gold-backed-currency economy experiences inflation every time a new gold source is found for mining, even if new currency hasn't been minted yet. The expectation that new currency will enter the system in the future sends prices up.
金本位货币经济每次发现新的可开采黄金来源都会通胀，哪怕新货币还没铸造。未来会有新货币流入系统的预期就能把价格推高。
The current global inflation situation (past 6 years) has as much or more to do with interruptions to the labor force and resources (oil) as anything else. Retired boomers still consume but don't produce, so events such as covid drive prices higher, because boomers leaving the workforce in droves still demand goods but also create a labor shortage, driving labor costs up the price of everything. Countries that haven't engaged in any quantative easing (fiat currency printing) at all have still experienced too-high inflation since 2020.
当前全球通胀形势（过去6年），劳动力和资源（石油）供应中断所占的分量不亚于、甚至超过其他因素。退休的婴儿潮一代(boomers)只消费不生产，所以新冠这种事会推高物价——因为他们成群退出劳动力市场仍然需要商品，却又造成劳动力短缺，拉高人工成本，进而抬高一切价格。自2020年以来，有些国家根本没有任何量化宽松（法定货币(fiat)印钞），照样通胀高企。
>>62588599
>the economy might shrink
>经济可能萎缩
>that is why you must have endlessly printed fiat
>所以法币必须无限印
>hey why are you buying precious metals, stop that
>喂，你买贵金属干嘛，别买了
>hey put the gun down
>喂，把枪放下
>>62591643
>it limits how much money can be made out of thin air and declared "valuable" by some Jew
>它限制了凭空造出来的钱能有多少，以及某个犹太佬能宣布多少“有价值”
No, it doesn't.
不，它没显示。
>>62588334
PAN MAN was so ahead of his time.
平底锅侠(PAN MAN)真是遥遥领先。
>>62588314
Nixon sold the future
尼克松(Nixon)把未来卖了。
>>62591690
>The expectation that new currency will enter the system in the future sends prices up
>预期未来会有新货币流入系统，就会推高物价
>>62592481
>nuh uh
>才不是
kill yourself jew
去死吧，犹太佬。
>>62588314
no and anyone who isn't retarded understands why
不是，但凡不是傻逼的都知道为啥。
Fiat currency is amazing. It made y'all so rich you can afford to sit around crying about imaginary problems
法币真牛逼。它把你们富得流油，闲得蛋疼坐在那儿为不存在的问题哭鼻子。
>Waaaaaah everything is so expensive,,,,jerks off 8 hours per day,,,,,,,,waaaaaah I deserve a free McMansion,,,,, waaaaaah
>呜呜呜东西都太贵了,,,,每天撸管8小时,,,,,,,,呜呜呜我就该白嫖一栋大别墅（McMansion）,,,,, 呜呜呜
>>62588314
>Can buy house because inflation
>能买房，因为有通胀
>Can't buy house because deflation
>买不起房，因为有通缩
Pick one
选一个吧
>>62593011
Explain why Gold was $20.67 an ounce from 1834 to 1933 (100 years). Then $35 an ounce from 1934 - 1971.
解释一下，为什么1834到1933这100年间黄金一直是每盎司20.67美元，然后1934到1971年又变成每盎司35美元。
So no, it literally didn't change in price based on inflation, or how much money "muh evil jews!!!!" printed.
所以不，它的价格压根儿不是按通胀变化的，也跟“muh evil jews!!!!”印了多少钱没关系。
>>62593157
World population 10x dumb ass nepo baby they wanted fucking assets and leverage trading existed before the US left the gold standard
世界人口都翻了10倍，你个傻叉关系户（nepo baby）。他们就是想要他妈的资产，而且杠杆交易在美国退出金本位（gold standard）之前就有了。
>>62593186
Now text with proper grammar and elaborate without sperging out. (Mission Difficulty: Legendary)
现在用正常语法写一遍，展开说说，别发病。（任务难度：传奇）
>>62591690
> A gold-backed-currency economy experiences inflation every time a new gold source is found for mining, even if new currency hasn't been minted yet.
>每次发现新金矿，金本位经济都会通胀，哪怕新货币还没铸出来。
This is not true. You are making a pure quantity theory argument while you ignore the quality theory of money. Simply increasing the money supply does not guarantee a rise in general prices, the Chinese experienced this after the warring states period.
这不是真的。你这是纯货币数量论（quantity theory of money）的论调，却无视货币质量论（quality theory of money）。光增加货币供应量并不能保证物价普遍上涨，战国时期（Warring States period）之后中国人就经历过这种事。
After like 2 centuries of war and sending huge numbers of men to build parts of the Great Wall, china’s agricultural production has fallen significantly. The result was price inflation of food staples which the ruling government at the time attributed to a lack of money. So what did they do, they reduced the weight of copper in the money and minted more coinage of lesser quality. Prices inflated further. Eventually the abandoned the policy and returned to minting coinage with the proper weight of copper, they found prices stabilized regardless of how much new money they created. As long as the quality of the newly created money was consistent, prices did not inflate. This is quality theory of money.
打了近两百年仗，又派了大批男人去修长城（Great Wall），中国（China）的农业产出大幅下滑。结果就是粮食必需品涨价，而当时的朝廷把涨价归咎于缺钱。那他们怎么办？减少钱币里的含铜量，多铸劣质币。结果物价涨得更厉害。后来他们放弃这个政策，重新按标准含铜量铸币，发现不管新铸多少币，物价都稳定了。只要新铸币的质量保持一致，物价就不会上涨。这就是货币质量理论（Quality Theory of Money）。
In a commodity money standard, simply increasing the money supply will not result in a general rise in prices, especially when producing commodity money takes time. Now if you had a situation where suddenly out of no where, the amount of gold coinage in everyone’s pockets doubled, then yes there would be an acute price inflation. But that’s not and has never been a realistic scenario.
在商品货币本位（commodity money standard）下，光增加货币供应量并不会导致物价普遍上涨，特别是铸币本身需要时间。要是所有人的口袋里金币数量突然莫名其妙翻倍，那确实会出现短期物价暴涨。但这种情况既不可能、也从未在现实中发生过。
> The current global inflation situation (past 6 years) has as much or more to do with interruptions to the labor force and resources (oil) as anything else
> 当前全球通胀形势（过去6年）与劳动力和资源（石油）供应中断的关系，丝毫不亚于其他任何因素。
Patently incorrect. The price inflation over the last few years is entirely the fault of the FED, who created 5 trillion in new dollars between 2020/2021 and injected these new dollars directly into the real economy via assets purchases from non-bank entities.
明显错了。过去几年通胀全是美联储(FED)的锅，它在2020/2021年间造了5万亿美元新钱，还通过向非银行机构购买资产，把这些钱直接注入实体经济。
>>62593200
>This retard still thinks the FED prints money...
>这傻逼还以为美联储印钱呢……
Holy shit, please get an education level higher than the Peter Schiff Degree.
卧槽，求你先拿个比彼得·希夫(Peter Schiff)文凭高级的学历。
>>62593220
When they buy their own bonds they create negative real interest rates and they give negative rates to prime lenders which is a constant unrelenting bailout to banks and asset owners
他们买自己的债券时，会制造负实际利率，还给一级贷款机构负利率，这就是对银行和资产持有者无休止的救助。
Tard boy nepo bitch
脑瘫关系户婊子
Write another op ed about breast milk at blizzard jason
再去给暴雪杰森(blizzard jason)写一篇关于母乳的评论文章。
Or more accurately have your h1b street shitter use ai to write it for you
更准确地说，让你那H-1B街头拉屎的用AI帮你写。
>>62593256
>When they buy their own bonds
>当他们买自己的债券时
This has to be a troll...
这绝对是钓鱼吧……
>>62593200
Write 50 more essays loser, we aren't going back
再写50篇吧 loser，我们不会再回头。
>>62588314
>was it a mistake to make counterfeit legal for one particular private bank?
>让某一家私人银行合法伪造货币，这是个错误吗？
ya, duh
废话。
>>62593279
They buy bonds from the treasury
他们从财政部买债券。
With magic ledger money that gets funneled into bailing out primary lenders which are private banks to subsidize the short end of the curve but you will pretend thats not stealing from other market participants and taxpayers
用的是凭空变出来的账本资金，这些钱被导去救助作为私人银行的一级贷款机构、补贴短端曲线，但你肯定会装作这不是在偷其他市场参与者和纳税人的钱。
But you already know that bitch boy nepo faggot
但你早就知道了，婊子关系户死基佬。
>>62593295
>we aren't going back
>我们不会再回头。
Retard alert. All fiat currencies fail.
弱智预警。所有法币都会完蛋。
Nothing dumber than a fiat simp.
没有比法币舔狗更蠢的了。
>>62594314
I'm actually glad that so many people are retarded and so easily fooled by jews.
说实话，看到这么多人弱智，还这么容易被犹太人(Jews)忽悠，我挺高兴的。
It will give me a massive advantage over 95% of the world's population once fiat collapses.
等法币一崩，我就能领先全世界95%的人一大截。
>>62593192
>Noo I don't like the tone of that logical answer!
> 不不不，我不喜欢那个逻辑答案的语气！
Retard
>>62592481
Retard
>>62591690
>gold will inflate when the remaining whopping 200 grams in the Earth's crust are found!
> 等地壳里剩下的那惊人的200克黄金被发现，黄金就要通胀了！
>Countries that don't have built-in crooks printing money and pretending it has value are so hecking bad goy! You never had it so good!
> 没有内置骗子印钞、还硬说钱有价值的那种国家，就是他妈烂透了，goy！你们从没过得这么爽过！
Quite possibly the most obvious jew thing I've ever read on /biz/
这大概是我在/biz/上见过的最像犹太人干的事。
Jews really think they're clever but they're just midwits.
犹太人真以为自己聪明，其实也就是个中智人(midwit)罢了。
People aren't going to tolerate fiat much longer. Too many insiders are getting unfairly wealthy off this unnatural imaginary "money" created by the very people getting wealthy, and too many people are becoming aware of it.
人们不会再忍法币多久了。太多内部人士靠着这种不自然又虚构的“钱”不公平地暴富——这钱正是那些暴富的人自己凭空造出来的——越来越多的人也意识到了。
>>62588314
No, the mistake was leaving the SILVER standard.
不，错就错在抛弃了银本位(silver standard)。
The first step of our financial enslavement.
这是我们金融奴役的第一步。
Gold is much easier to monopolize and control than silver.
黄金比白银更容易垄断和控制。
>>62594665
I might as well tell you about my idea to get rid of money all together since nobody replied to me. As far as I understand it money was invented so people didn't have to carry around all of their barter goods to market. Since everyone is walking around with a computer now why can't we go back to a pure barter economy? How is money not obsolete? I should be able to trade anything in my brokerage account for any item or service and the person receiving payment should get anything they want with the computer being the market maker. We even have AI agents to do all of this automatically so I'm not having to manually trade stuff. I don't know what the problem would be with this.
反正没人回我，我就直说了吧，我想干脆把货币彻底废了。据我理解，货币之所以被发明，是为了人们不用把所有用来以物易物的货物都扛到市场上去。现在人人出门都带着电脑，为什么我们不能回到纯以物易物的经济？货币怎么可能还没过时？我应该能用证券账户里的任何东西买到任何商品或服务，而收钱的人也应该能通过电脑这个做市商换到任何他们想要的东西。现在还有 AI 代理可以自动完成这些交易，根本不用我手动去倒腾。我真看不出这有什么问题。
>>62594731
>money was invented so people didn't have to carry around all of their barter goods to market.
>货币之所以被发明，是为了人们不用把所有用来以物易物的货物都扛到市场上去。
Not just that, but also because it's much more convenient for people to get paid by their employer in a currency people have all agreed has a specific value to trade for goods and services.
不光是这样，还因为雇主用大家公认有固定价值、能购买商品和服务的货币来发工资，方便太多了。
No one wants to get paid in random objects and livestock from their employer.
没人愿意让雇主拿一堆乱七八糟的东西或者牲口来当工资。
A currency is infinitely more convenient.
货币方便得不是一点半点。
A pure bartering economy was only possible in a village of like 500 people max.
纯以物易物的经济，撑死了也就500人的小村子才玩得转。
>>62594731
This is why money was invented, to save and delay purchasing power, you produce more than you consume and its called profit when you exchange it for gold, you use gold later when you need something. Computer or digital money is counter party risk, unless you create digital money yourself, but even then computer itself is a risk, because it can fail, only risk gold has is yourself because you can lose it or forget where it is, but that risk depends on you alone, no one else.
钱被发明出来就是为了这个：把购买力存起来、延后使用。你产出多于消耗，这就叫利润；把它换成黄金，等以后需要东西时再用黄金去换。电脑或数字货币都是对手方风险，除非你自己搞数字货币，但即便如此电脑本身也可能坏掉，还是有风险。黄金唯一的出岔子风险就是你自己——可能弄丢或者忘记藏哪儿了，但这风险只取决于你，没别人。
>>62588599
Well.. to start with you just need a currency actually pegged to it like BRICS wants to do or like Tether is. It still requires faith but then you at least have the clear choice to stack on the side + price won't be as volatile.
呃……首先你只需要一种真正跟黄金挂钩的货币，像金砖国家(BRICS)想搞的，或者像泰达币(Tether)那样。还是要靠信心，但至少你能明确选择囤在一边，价格也不会那么上蹿下跳。
But the money printing and endless debt schemes have to stop, it's what eats out economies each fucking time.
但印钞和没完没了的债务套路必须停下来，这玩意每次都他妈把经济掏空。
There's a reason Romans banned it.
罗马人禁它是有原因的。
>>62596056
Every major religion has banned or restricted usury. Shit, even Jews aren't allowed to do it to each other, just to goys.
各大宗教都禁止或限制过高利贷。妈的，就连犹太人之间也不能放贷，只能对外邦人(goys)放。
>>62588314
If you can not do quantitative easing at the time you need to do it, complete market saturation, in order to salvage the whole economy, the whole economy is going to collapse. Like what happened in 2008 and 2020. Without money printing it would have been cataclysmic.
该搞量化宽松(QE)的时候搞不了，市场又完全饱和，为了救整体经济，整个经济反而会崩。2008年和2020年就是这样。要是不印钞，那简直是天崩地裂。
But goldtards are completely incapable of understanding this.
但黄金脑残压根理解不了这点。
>>62596347
2008 would never have happened on the gold standard
在金本位(gold standard)下，2008年根本不会发生。
>>62588314
yes it was, but everyone who didnt would miss out, a typical prisoner's dilemma
是的，但谁不参与谁就吃亏，典型的囚徒困境(prisoner's dilemma)。
it's kids in a candy shop and everyone can use promises to pay instead of only using the cash their parents actually gave them
就跟小孩进了糖果店似的，人人都能打白条付款，不用只花爹妈真给的那点现金。
>>62588314
Governments will not relinquish their ability to control and manipulate currency.
政府绝不会放弃控制和操纵货币的权力。
>>62596350
>2008 would never have happened on the gold standard
在金本位下，2008年那场危机根本不会发生。
This ^
楼上说得对。
>>62596347
Who's the retard now?
现在谁是弱智？
>>62588314
>The cost of living crisis is ultimately an inflation crisis.
生活成本危机说到底就是通胀危机。
No. People who are struggling with the cost of living aren't sitting on piles of cash in the bank. The actual causes for the cost of living crisis are the normalization of duel income households, the decline of unions, the financialization of the housing market, and the increase in student loan debt.
不对。为生活成本发愁的人，银行里根本没躺着成堆现金。真正的原因是双职工家庭变成常态、工会衰落、住房市场金融化，以及学生贷款债务增加。
>>62596792
unions are nothing more than a bunch of racist ass niggers and white cucks pandering to their chimps
工会不过就是一群 racist-ass niggers 和 white cucks，围着他们的 chimps 献媚。
>>62596800
if you're a broke boy just say so
你要是穷逼就直说。
>>62596809
Nigger hands typed this
这行字是 nigger 打的。
>>62596812
I work for a company that runs a union shop in one state and a nonunion shop in another. One time I met a guy from the nonunion shop. I asked them how much they make and they made half as much as us at the union shop. I told him this and asked him why they don't unionize. He went of on some long rant about how unions are for communists and it's actually bad that unions protect workers. I guess wanting to make more money makes you a communist now. You bootlickers have had your brains cooked.
我待的公司在一个州开了工会店，另一个州开了非工会店。有次我碰到一个非工会店的哥们儿，问他赚多少，结果只有我们工会店的一半。我告诉他，又问他们为啥不组建工会。他长篇大论 rant 起来，说工会是共产主义的，工会保护工人反而是坏事。看来现在想多赚钱就是共产主义了。你们这帮舔狗脑子真被煮烂了。
>>62596821
Okay nigger not joining your faggot ass BLM nigger loving fag parade kys stupid dune coon faggot ass black NIGGER
OK nigger，不参加你们 faggot-ass 的 BLM、爱 nigger 的 fag 游行，kys，stupid dune-coon faggot-ass black NIGGER。
>>62596821
They don't unionize because your Union agreed to be the only Union in the area and have limits on members, boomers gutted Unions ages ago little bro keep up.
他们不组织工会，是因为你们工会（Union）当初答应当这片唯一工会，还对会员人数设限；婴儿潮一代（boomers）早把工会掏空了，小老弟，跟上节奏。
>>62588314
I know I'm going to sound like a faggot but usa would've probably lost ww2 if they were on a gold standard.
我知道我这话听着像个基佬（faggot），但美国（USA）要是那会儿还搞金本位，二战估计得输。
The economy is so fucking fake and gay, wannabe sociologists need to get a grip
经济假得一批还gay里gay气，那些装社会学家的该醒醒了。
>>62596826
way to perfectly prove >>62596821 point.
完美印证了>>62596821的观点。
You really do have your brains fried and all you can do is rant incoherently out of what I'm guessing stems from jealousy and being manipulated.
你脑子确实瓦特了，只会搁这儿胡言乱语，我看就是又酸又被人当枪使。
You literally have no argument against Unions.
你对工会真就一点像样的反驳都拿不出来。
I'm in a Union and it makes management shit and piss in their pants when we unite and make demands.
我在工会里，每次我们团结起来提要求，管理层都吓得屁滚尿流。
>>62596832
>usa would've probably lost ww2 if they were on a gold standard
>美国要是当年搞金本位，二战估计得输。
But we were on a gold standard during WWII... until 1971.
但我们二战期间确实是金本位……一直搞到1971年。
>no one mentioned the bancor
>没人提过班科（bancor）。
>>62596928
It was suspended. Same during WW1.
它被暂停了。一战期间也一样。
>>62588314
No, but now that gold can be infinitely divided and traded digitally pic related isn't an issue anymore
不对，但现在黄金能无限细分还能数字化交易，图里那种情况已经不算事了。
Leaving it wasn't a choice. America overprinted dollars in order to win ww2, the gold standard essentially died then. It continued to exist on paper until Nixon's time, when France realized the disparity and tried to cash out Fort Knox. Nixon ended the standard to prevent this, but if their trade was allowed the gold standard still would have died, plus the dollar's value would collapse and France would have all our gold.
退出金本位不是可选项。美国为了打赢二战疯狂印美元，金本位那会儿本质上就死了。纸面上一直撑到尼克松（Nixon）时代，法国（France）意识到失衡想清空诺克斯堡（Fort Knox）的黄金。尼克松终止金本位就是为了阻止这个，但即便允许法国兑换，金本位还是得崩，美元也会暴跌，法国会把我们的黄金全卷走。
The mistake was the rest of the world's, continuing to trust the dollar standard after it stopped being backed by anything. It gave America the freedom to overprint for decades without suffering inflation, as other nations happily stockpiled our excess as "reserves". The trade deficit that everyone complains about was a good thing, other nations kept sending us real physical resources in exchange for our worthless paper.
错的是世界其他国家，美元早就不靠任何东西背书了，它们还继续信美元标准。这让美国能几十年狂印钞票却不通胀，因为其他国家乐呵呵地把我们多印的钞票当“储备”囤起来。大家都抱怨的贸易逆差其实是好事，别的国家一直拿真金白银的实物资源来换我们这张废纸。
Now that our reserve currency status is ending, we should rip off the bandaid, let inflation run until a new balance is naturally found for all these excess dollars. Inflate away the debt of all our treasury bonds, since we can no longer reissue at near-zero.
现在我们的储备货币地位快完了，就该干脆撕掉创可贴，让通胀跑到这些过剩美元自然找到新平衡点为止。把国债的债务用通胀稀释掉，反正我们也别再想接近零利率续发了。
>>62597801
>It ended because Americans did something retarded they shouldn't have but... erm.. ackshually it was A GOOD THING!
>美元崩是因为美国人干了不该干的脑瘫事儿……呃……但其实这是件好事！
Nice mental gymnastics.
精神体操做得不错。
How about we stop being fake and gay instead?
要不咱先别搁这儿又假又基的？
>It gave America the freedom to overprint for A WHOLE HECKIN' DECADE without suffering inflation
>它让美国能整整十年狂印钞票都不通胀。
Wow what an amazing long-term decision!
哇，真是个了不起的长远决策啊！
>>62597801
You do realize us making a deal with the Saudis to trade oil for usd, in exchange for military assistance (weapons, training, etc.), is what gave the dollar its power right? It wasn't just faith or trust by itself.
你们知道吗，是美国跟沙特(Saudis)签了协议，用美元(USD)买石油，美国提供军事援助（武器、培训之类的），这才让美元有今天的地位。光凭信和信任可走不到这一步。
>>62588649
these both mean the same thing
这两说的其实是一回事。
>>62597801
>let inflation run until a new balance is naturally found for all these excess dollars. Inflate away the debt of all our treasury bonds, since we can no longer reissue at near-zero.
>让通胀跑到这些过剩美元自然找到新平衡点为止。把国债的债务用通胀稀释掉，反正我们也别再想接近零利率续发了。
This is exactly what they're doing btw. Buy hedges now.
顺便说一句，他们就是在这么干。现在赶紧买对冲。
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says or does, the money is dying and you need to think beyond the current system.
别人怎么想、怎么说、怎么做都不重要，钱正在完蛋，你得跳出当前这套体系来想。
>>62598251
>the money is dying and you need to think beyond the current system
>钱正在完蛋，你得跳出当前这套体系来想
This ^
楼上说得对。
>>62597659
That post is very stupid in many ways, for example, he says that those who owned gold could lay claims on property, but he forgets to mention how they got gold in the first place and to get gold, you need to work and make profit, so you can exchange profit for gold and future consumption, gold is not needed in general for consumption, its only a tool to save and consume stuff later, or give it to some one who produce stuff (invest) and get rewarded (dividend) from other people production.
那帖子蠢得五花八门。比如他说有金子的人就能对财产主张权利，但他没提金子是哪来的。要搞到金子，你得干活盈利，然后把利润换成金子，留着将来消费。金子本身不是用来消费的，它只是个储蓄工具，存着以后花，或者交给生产东西的人（invest），从别人的产出里拿回报（dividend）。
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