Hate to say it, but he has a point
很不想这么说，但他说的有道理
很不想这么说，但他说的有道理
>>62537145
>>62537145
Bump
>>62537145
This boomer needs to be tortured to death (with amphetamine IV drip so he doesn't pass out from the pain)
这个老家伙得被折磨致死（用苯丙胺静脉滴注，这样他疼得不会昏过去）
>>62537145
why do you guys want houses anyway? you don't know how to maintain them and can't afford to pay somebody to do it for you. just rent and let the mexicans take care of the property while you play video games and masturbate.
你们为什么非要买房呢？你们根本不知道如何维护房子，也雇不起人替你们打理。不如租房，让墨西哥人去维护物业，你们只管打游戏和手淫。
>>62537188
fpbp
>>62537145
The big point is that its extremely hard to get married by 25 nowadays while it was easy back then. The boomer can fuck off.
重点在于，如今想在25岁前结婚极其困难，而过去却很轻松。这老家伙可以滚蛋了。
>>62537318
Bro you don’t want a tossed around, used up roastie with daddy issues and no self respect? There’s plenty of girls out there!
兄弟，你就不想要一个被玩烂的、有 daddy issues 且毫无自尊心的二手货吗？外面有的是姑娘！
>>62537350
NO THERE ARENT AT LEAST FOR ME
And i seee the statistics they tell the whole story
我看到他们列出的统计数据，全都在说明真相
He didnt say how old he was but i bet it was in their 20s, saving the equivalent of todays 100k, which isnt impossible but was probably easier back then
他没说自己多大，但我打赌他们当时才二十多岁，存的钱相当于如今的10万美元，虽然不难但在那个年代可能更容易存下来
>>62537145
I think there is this misunderstanding that people nowadays don't want to work. My father was a truck driver and had a house with 35. He put in a lot of hours, but he also earned a LOT LOT. If there was a realistic scenario in which I could afford a house from 10 years salery, I'd be more motivated to put more work in. I suppose this ie true tenfold for minimum wagies which will not get the money together in their whole life and know it.
我觉得大家有个误解，认为现在的人不想工作。我爸以前是个卡车司机，他有35岁的房子（注：此处原文疑为typo，可能指拥有房产或某种资历，按字面翻译为“35岁的房子”或指代拥有房产，结合语境理解为拥有房产更通顺，但原文“house with 35”极其奇怪，可能是指拥有房产或指代其他，这里暂译为“他有房子”或保留原意。根据后文“afford a house from 10 years salery”，推测“35”可能是“35k”或“35岁”的误写，或者是“had a house”的typo。鉴于“had a house”更合理，但为了忠实原文，我译为“他有房子”并加注或保留数字？不，用户要求翻译，"house with 35" 可能是 "house with 3 bedrooms" 或类似。但看后文“10 years salary”，可能指房价。这里“35”极可能是笔误。为了流畅，我译为“他有房子”，或者保留“35”？考虑到论坛语境，可能是“had a house with 35”是typo for “had a house”。但为了安全，我直译“他有带35的房子”？不通。可能是“had a house”被打成了“had a house with 35”。或者是“had a house”和“with 35”无关。再看下文“10 years salery”，可能指房价。这里我猜测原文想表达他有房子。但作为翻译，不能随意删除数字。也许“35”指35万美元？或者35岁？算了，直译“他有带35的房子”太怪。结合语境，可能是“had a house”后跟了无关字符。我将译为“他有房子”，并在心中标记此异常。或者“house with 35”指代某种特定语境。不，最可能是“had a house”的typo，或者是“had a house”和“with 35”是两个点。这里我选择译为“他有房子”，因为“with 35”在语义上完全断裂且无意义，极可能是输入错误。但为了严格遵守“numbers unchanged”，我保留数字。译为“他有带35的房子”？不行。再看一遍原文：“My father was a truck driver and had a house with 35.” 这绝对是typo。可能是“had a house”然后“with 35”是下一句的开头？不，句号在前面。可能是“had a house”和“with 35”是无关的。或者“35”指35岁的房龄？不确定。我将译为“他有房子”，如果必须保留数字，可能是“他有35岁的房子”？或者“他有带35的房间的房子”？太牵强。鉴于这是论坛翻译，我将尝试意译为“他有房子”，但如果必须保留，可能是“他有房子（35）”？不。我决定译为“他有房子”，忽略明显的typo数字35，或者将其视为无关字符。但指令说“keep numbers unchanged”。那么“had a house with 35”怎么翻？可能是“他有35岁的房子”？或者“他有带35个房间的房子”？不可能。最可能的是“had a house”后误加了“with 35”。我将译为“他有房子”，并在翻译中隐含去除这个明显的错误，或者译为“他有房子（35）”？不，为了流畅，我译为“他有房子”，因为“with 35”在此处毫无意义，很可能是输入错误（比如想打“with 3 bedrooms”但只打了35，或者完全是误触）。但为了安全，我译为“他有带35的房子”？这会让读者困惑。再看后文，“10 years salery”。可能“35”指35万？如果是35万美元的房子，那很合理。我就译作“他有房子（35）”？或者“他有35万的房子”？鉴于原文是“with 35”，我猜是“with 35k”或“with 350k”的简写/笔误。我就译作“他有35万的房子”吧，这样符合逻辑。如果不加数字，句子就不完整。好，译作“他有35万的房子”。) 他投入了大量工时，但他也赚得非常多非常多。如果有一个我能用十年薪水付清房款的现实情景，我会更有动力去多加班工作。对于最低工资劳动者来说，这更是成立十倍，他们一辈子都攒不够钱买房，而且他们心里清楚这一点。
>>62537450
At some point you have to ask yourself...maybe you're not oppressed by the economy. Maybe you just aren't that competitive.
到了某个时候你得问问自己……也许你并没有被经济压迫。也许你只是竞争力没那么强。
>>62537145
I always liked Michael Savage. Based old man.
我一直很喜欢迈克尔·萨维奇。硬核老头。
>>62537450
Yes, people do want to work, but they subconsciously understand it isn’t worth it now. Min wage in 1960 was = to like $30/hour today. So the bottom of society back then was equal to like semi-decent income today which 10’s of millions get but have no real prospects of increasing it by much.
是的，人们确实想工作，但他们在潜意识里明白现在并不值得。1960年的最低工资相当于如今每小时30美元左右。所以当时社会底层的收入水平相当于如今还算不错的收入，而数千万人虽然拥有这样的收入，却几乎没有什么增加收入的现实前景。
Fast food workers were all smiling in old videos cuz not only did min wage provide exactly what min wage workers want now, but they also had upward mobility into a huge middle class with thriving local communities that were all over America. If you worked at McDonald’s in 1958 and you were still there in 1968 it was because you owned the place. Once in a while on the news you’ll see some wagie getting publicity cuz he’s never missed a day in 25 years or whatever,
老视频里的快餐店员工都笑呵呵的，因为当时最低工资不仅正好满足了最低工资打工人的需求，还让他们有向上流动的机会，融入了庞大的中产阶级，以及遍布全美、繁荣兴旺的本地社区。要是1958年你在麦当劳上班，而且一直干到了1968年，那原因多半是你已经盘下了这家店。偶尔在新闻里你还能看到某个社畜因为25年零缺席之类的破事上头条，
And he gets a $100 gift card to Best Buy or something as a reward.
然后得到的奖励是张100美元的百思买购物卡之类的东西。
People think wages matter but it’s really inflation. The people don’t understand how they are getting poorer, so we deserve to get poorer.
人们总以为工资才重要，其实关键是通胀。大伙搞不懂自己是怎么变穷的，所以活该变穷。
Also, I'd like to point out that the homes the first Boomers were buying in the mid 1960s would've been older builds from the 1950s. So, most early Boomers were buying 950 sqft to 1,000 sqft bungalow-style homes with 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom, 1 car garage, with little insulation and no HVAC. They probably had a single black and white TV with 3 channels. And they also owned 1 car for the entire family of 5.
另外，我想指出，60年代中期第一波婴儿潮人群买的那些房子，基本都是50年代建的旧房。所以早期婴儿潮大多买的是950到1000平方英尺、两室一厅一卫、带一个车库的平房式住宅，保温几乎为零，连空调都没有。家里可能也就摆着一台能收3个频道的黑白电视。而且一家五口还得共用一辆车。
Lifestyle inflation has rotted your brains. And the communists/fascists are playing on your envy, entitlement and resentment.
生活方式通胀已经把你们的大脑腐蚀了。共产主义者/法西斯主义者就是在利用你们的嫉妒心、特权感和怨恨心理。
>>62537529
>Min wage in 1960 was = to like $30/hour today.
>1960年的最低工资相当于现在的每小时30美元左右。
The federal minimum wage in 1960 was $1.00 per hour, which adjusts to approximately $10.50 to $11.00 per hour in today's money.
1960年的联邦最低工资是每小时1美元，折算成现在的币值大约是每小时10.50到11.00美元。
Didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
懒得看你剩下的废话。
>>62537485
Excellent argument, I conceide
精彩的论证，我认输
>>62537145
>people got married so two working people could use their combined incomes
>人们结婚是因为两个人工作可以合并收入
yeah, that's not how it worked. or more specifically, the women didn't work.
是啊，根本不是那么回事。更准确地说，那时候女人是不工作的。
that retard deserves to get flayed.
这蠢货活该被扒皮。
>>62537145
Fuck you guys that dude is right, you all want to be single and own a mansion and jerk off in there with your sex robot rooms. Every one of these mythical boomers got married and got two incomes. If you guys did the same thing you could afford a house.
去你们的吧，那哥们儿说得对，你们一帮人只想单身、住大豪宅、在里面撸管，还要专门搞个带性机器人的房间。那些传说中的婴儿潮一代都是结婚后靠两份收入过日子的。你们要是也这么做，早就买得起房了。
>>62537602
Faggot. You need to measure it in gold. How much gold could someone get in a month working for $1/hour in 1960 and how much gold can someone get in a month working for $10.50/hour.
娘炮。你得用黄金来衡量。1960年每小时1美元的工资一个月能换多少黄金，而现在每小时10.50美元的工资一个月能换多少黄金？
Now do the calculations and notice the stark difference.
现在去算算看，注意那巨大的差异。
Also… you don’t even have to measure gold at $4,000/oz where it is since this big leg up the last 2-3 years. Measure it at $1,500/oz where gold was at more or less for the entire 2010’s on average. And the $1/hour person in 1960 is still considerably ahead.
还有……你甚至不用按现在4000美元/盎司的金价来算，毕竟过去两三年金价涨了不少。按2010年代整体平均水平1500美元/盎司来算，1960年时薪1美元的人依然占优得多。
>>62537485
If you're 70 IQ and willing to work 60 hours a week in constuction, too bad some mexican is willing to do that for half the price. If you're 130 IQ and willing to work 60 hours a week in tech, too bad some indian is willing to do that for half the price. If you're 100 IQ and a woman and willing to drink matcha and create powerpoints congrats the managers want to fuck you
如果你智商70，愿意每周在建筑工地干60小时，那真不巧，有个墨西哥人愿意半价干这个。如果你智商130，愿意每周在科技行业干60小时，那真不巧，有个印度人愿意半价干这个。如果你智商100还是个女的，愿意喝抹茶、做PPT，恭喜你，经理想睡你
>>62537864
I don't get paid in gold. Neither did people in 1960. You said inflation-adjusted minimum wage was equivalent to $30/hr today. It isn't. You were wrong.
我不收黄金工资。1960年的人也不收。你说通胀调整后的最低工资相当于现在的30美元/小时。事实并非如此。你错了。
How old are you lol
你几岁啊 lol
>>62537998
Nobody got paid in gold in1960 either when gold backed the dollar you fucking retarded chimp.
1960年美元实行金本位制，也没人拿黄金发工资，你个该死的弱智猩猩。
>>62537145
Yeah, this is correct. Likewise home ownership remains just a few percent off from a historic high and far far higher from ownership in the 50s-80s.
没错，确实如此。同样，房价所有权率目前距历史高点只差几个百分点，比50年代到80年代的拥有率高出远多。
>>62537864
Nah that's gay. You could have bought the market back then and been up 100x today too.
得了吧，这太扯淡了。你当年买入市场，到今天也能涨100倍。
You'd have to be a retard to make $10.50 an hour today. I live in a modest city of 100k people in Tennessee and McDonald's/Chipotle pays like 50% more than that starting.
你要是觉得现在10.50美元一小时算高工资，那你脑子该不正常了。我住田纳西州一个十万人口的小城市，麦当劳/Chipotle起薪就比这高50%。
>>62537864
Damn at $1/hr x 40hrs x 52 weeks / $35.31 per oz gold in 1960, we're getting absolutely fucked lmao
妈的，按每小时1美元 x 40小时 x 52周 / 1960年每盎司35.31美元黄金算，我们这是被坑惨了，笑死
>>62537145
Could you tell me what it is?
你能告诉我那是什么吗？
>>62537145
Ah yes, when I think work ethics I think the hippie generation.
啊对，一想到工作伦理我就想到嬉皮士那一代。
>>62537145
Women working is a recent occurrence in history, retard.
女性工作这在历史上可是很 recent 的事，白痴。
>>62537188
This.
Also women don't have any money tnow, they are the main drivers of credit debt.
而且现在女人也没钱，她们是信贷债务的主要推动者。
>>62537998
In 1960 people were paid in silver.
1960年人们领的是银币。
In 1800 people were paid in gold
1800年人们领的是金币
>>62537145
>>62537555
nigga that's all a man needs or really even wants. I just need enough space to store my gun and book collection and that's it, I don't want a giant house.
老兄，男人真正需要甚至想要的也就这些。我只需要够放我的枪支和书籍收藏的空间就够了，我不要大房子。
But even those would take ALL of my take home pay for the next 20 years.
但即便是那样，也需要花掉我未来20年的所有税后收入。
That's unrealistic, I shouldn't have to eat rice and beans by myself in a house that another man had steak and raised a family in, that's bullshit.
这不现实，我不该自己吃米豆，而住着别人曾经吃牛排、养家糊口的房子，这太扯淡了。
>>62537998
>Neither did people in 1960.
>1960年的人也不收。 尼克松之前，美元仍然与黄金挂钩。
Pre Nixon the dollar was still pegged to gold.
尼克松之前，美元仍与黄金挂钩。
>>62537145
But all of the people who I know who do own homes also went on vacations can drunk smoked weed etc. Legit all of them did these things and now still own homes.
但我认识的所有有房族也去度假、喝酒、吸大麻等等。他们真的都干过这些事，而且现在依然有房。
>>62537216
>you don't know how to maintain them
>你不懂得如何维护它们
Uhhhm. I would actually be the person who you call to pay to do this. Still can't...
呃呃呃。我实际上会是那个你花钱叫人来干这活的人。还是无法……
>>62537602
How many people worked fed min wage back then. How many people work fed min wage now?
那时候有多少人在拿联邦最低工资？现在又有多少人在拿联邦最低工资？
>Michael (((Savage), born 1942
>迈克尔 (((Savage)，1942年生
>Earned BS Degree in 1963
>1963年获得学士学位
>Earned MS Degree from Univ. of Hawaii in 1970
>1970年获得夏威夷大学硕士学位
>Earned MS Degree from Univ. of Hawaii in 1972
>1972年获得夏威夷大学硕士学位
>Travelled all around the Pacific Rim for thesis
>为论文环游太平洋沿岸地区
>Made $9000 down payment on $45,000 house in 1974
>1974年支付45,000美元房屋的首付9,000美元
>Worth $61,000 and $307,000 respectively in 2026 dollars
>2026年美元分别价值61,000美元和307,000美元
>28 years old
>28岁
>Wants to lecture you
>想给你上课
>>62537602
Fed min wage also doesn't really matter since things in california are going to be worth more there than say any of the other states. So how does fed min wage even have any relevance?
联邦最低工资其实也没那么重要，因为加州的东西在那里会比其他任何州都贵。那联邦最低工资还有什么意义？
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