>skip college just go into the trades

>skip college just go into the trades

>别上大学，去学技工

>NOOOO THIS IS PROPAGANDA YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE TO STAY WEALTHY AND CULTURALLY RELEVANT

>if you don't go to college you are a part of the disenfranchised underclass

>如果你不上大学，你就是被剥夺权利的底层阶级

This one always makes me laugh. Do you think the college wagies with $100k+ of perpetual lifetime indentured debt servitude, making $60k/year as an analyst, or consultant, or advisor, or salesman, or engineer, or tech, or human resources, have any cultural power or clout whatever? You're still in the TRADES retard, you're just in the air conditioning.

这条总是让我笑。你觉得那些背负着超过10万美元终身债务的“社畜”大学生，年薪6万刀，做着分析师、顾问、咨询师、销售、工程师、技术员或人力资源的工作，有什么文化权力或影响力吗？你他妈还是在底层，只不过你是在空调房里干活罢了。

Meanwhile, who took the actual power? Political power, institutional power. Who is taking over the executive suite? Who is taking over the most important bureaucratic roles? Who is infiltrating the moneypower centers of America?

与此同时，谁掌握了真正的权力？政治权力，机构权力。谁在接管行政高管职位？谁在接管最重要的官僚角色？谁在渗透美国的权力中心？

Your engineer job might as well be landscaping. It can be sent to India tomorrow. It was never about college, it was about the association, to what? To actual power. We need to be keeping businesses in OUR franchise. We need to be keeping politics under OUR power. We need to be rooting out infiltrators.

你的工程师工作跟搞绿化没区别。明天就能外包给印度。问题从来不是上大学，而是人脉关联，关联到什么呢？关联到真正的权力。我们需要把商业留在 OUR 自己的势力范围内。我们需要让政治掌握在 OUR 自己人手中。我们需要清除渗透者。

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>>62531873

Yeah university is a scam.

没错，大学就是个骗局。

There's probably a world where people pay a fair price for an education (in useful fields) alongside intership style work, but the west is a thousand miles away from that

也许在某个平行世界里，人们会为实用领域的教育支付合理的价格，并辅以实习式工作，但西方离这种愿景还差得远呢

>>62531873

>Meanwhile, who took the actual power? Political power, institutional power. Who is taking over the executive suite? Who is taking over the most important bureaucratic roles? Who is infiltrating the moneypower centers of America?

>与此同时，谁掌握了真正的权力？政治权力，机构权力。谁在接管行政高管职位？谁在接管最重要的官僚角色？谁在渗透美国的权力中心？

Jews.

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>>62531873

Is this post from 2011? Everyone was saying this years ago, are you just hitting 12th grade?

这帖子是2011年发的吗？大家几年前就在说这些了，你刚上高中一年级吗？

>>62531873

>>NOOOO THIS IS PROPAGANDA YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE TO STAY WEALTHY AND CULTURALLY RELEVANT

>>if you don't go to college you are a part of the disenfranchised underclass

>>如果你不上大学，你就是被剥夺权利的底层阶级

Who are you quoting? Please provide a source with your answer

你引用的是谁？请在回答中提供出处

>>62536190

No it only hit normies like 8 months ago, it was dismissed as some anti intellectual Republican propaganda before. Peter Thiel was some wild contrarian when he made the Thiel Fellowship in 2011.

不，它大概8个月前才影响到普通大众。在此之前，它一直被当作某种反智的共和党宣传而被驳回。彼得·蒂尔在2011年创办“蒂尔奖学金”时，是个相当另类的逆行者。

>>62531873

There's about five dimensions to this.

这个问题大约有五个层面。

Level 0 (normies in 2000): College is the way forward to prosperity, everyone should go to college and it's your ticket to a bright future!

第0层（2000年的普通人）：上大学是通往繁荣的正途，每个人都该去上大学，那是你光明未来的门票！

Level 1: Well damn that degree in women's lit ain't cuttin the mustard, everyone better major in STEM!!!

第1层：唉，去，女人文学那文凭真不怎么管用，大家都赶紧改修STEM（科学、技术、工程、数学）专业！！！

Level 2: Holy shit a lot of STEM degrees aren't paying out, better go to the trades!

第2层：乖乖，好多STEM学位根本赚不回成本，还是去学手艺吧！

Level 3 (future normies): Damn, hard to make it in the trades due to the influx in trainees and the fact lots of people suck

第3层（未来的普通人）：糟糕，由于大量学徒涌入，加上很多人手艺不行，想在蓝领行当里混出名堂真不容易。 第4层 侧面观察（2011年以来的彼得·蒂尔）：上大学大多是在为雇主做学历信号传递，纯属浪费，因为政府没法直接进行智商测试。如果我能直接评估人才，我就能让高中生干出漂亮活儿，完全跳过大学。

Level 4 side observations (Peter Thiel since 2011): College is mostly a waste as credential signaling for employers since we can't directly administer IQ tests. If I can just evaluate talent directly I can get high schoolers doing good shit and skip college altogether.

第4层级侧观察（彼得·蒂尔自2011年起）：大学基本上只是在向雇主传递“资历信号”，因为没法直接考智商测试，所以大学大多是浪费。如果我能直接评估人才，就可以让高中生做出出色的成果，完全跳过大学。

Level 5 (meta level): Lots of people are fucking stupid and pretending that if we shuffled them through "college" they'd all succeed has had disastrous consequences. Midwits can't keep up with college work, which means buttloads of them fail out and/or college work gets dumbed down such that a degree barely means anything while racking up hundreds of k of college debt the government decided would be a good idea to grant to people regardless of ability or career prospects. Truly talented people can succeed absent college, especially the more alternative paths exist to identify that ability (and not discriminate for lack of a degree). Degrees have been inflated to the point nearly every normal person should not go to a normal college. The merely very bright should still consider an elite college, but consider the value of that prestige may wane shortly. The already elite moneyed class and profoundly gifted can succeed absent any university admissions and will shift as needed, leveraging their connections.

第5层（元层面）：很多人蠢得离谱，还假装只要把他们塞进“大学”就能全部成功，这带来了灾难性后果。中等智商的人跟不上大学课程，结果要么大批挂科退学，要么大学课程被水得连学位都几乎没什么含金量，还背上政府认为发给谁都可以的巨额学贷，完全不管个人能力或职业前景。真正有才华的人没有大学也能成功，尤其是当存在更多替代路径来识别这种能力（且不因没有学位而歧视）时。学历已经通胀到连大多数普通人都没必要去上普通大学的程度。只是非常聪明的人仍应考虑精英大学，但要意识到那种声望可能很快就会贬值。原本就属于精英的富裕阶层和极具天赋的人，无需经过大学招生也能成功，并且会根据需要调整路径，利用他们的人脉关系。

>>62536441

Let me emphasize how profoundly stupid most people are, and point out zoomers and gen alpha are worse and brain rotted to the point basic functioning is a challenge for like 60% of them. Like they can barely do anything without opening their phone, but because they're so brain rotted on overly simplified mobile operating systems they can't even do tech shit other than turn shit on or off or redownload the app.

让我强调一下，大多数人蠢得有多离谱，并指出Z世代和Alpha世代的年轻人更糟，他们的大脑已经被彻底腐蚀，导致基本生活能力对其中约60%的人来说都成了挑战。比如，他们离了手机几乎啥也干不了，但因为大脑被过度简化的移动操作系统搞废了，他们甚至连除了开关机或重新下载App之外的其他技术活都干不了。

Thanks to government incentives a high school diploma means someone had a pulse.

多亏了政府的激励机制，现在高中毕业证只代表这个人还喘气儿。

People who get buttmad that they'll go into the trades but elites won't miss the fact that elites are their overlords absent any credentialing. When you're at ASU, the elite is at Harvard and you're not the fucking same. Even the rich kid in your dorm at ASU's Daddy has a dealership and it doesn't fucking matter. There's something of an argument to go to MIT or Harvard, but someone actually bright is probably well served to network there for a few months and go to a start-up right away.

那些因为自己只能去干蓝领活儿而气急败坏的人，精英们根本不会在意，毕竟没有学历认证的话，精英就是他们的统治者。当你还在亚利桑那州立大学（ASU）混的时候，精英们在哈佛，这根本不是他妈的一个量级的。就算你宿舍里有个富二代，他爹开的汽车 dealership 也无济于事，根本没用。去 MIT 或哈佛确实有点道理，但一个真聪明的人应该在那儿混几个月人脉，然后立马去初创公司。

Anyways at the root of normies issues are not acknowledging these basic ass truths. There's a huge range of "cognitive differences" (politely, a huge fuckload of people are dumb as rocks, and an enormous number are only slightly brighter than that), and imagining there can be some sort of universal or at least widespread prescription for success through education is an incredibly misguided prospect drawn from correlations (successful people went to college because they had the ability to succeed) and limited job market realities (for a period of time the supply of people capable of doing office work was relatively low and having any college education made someone a standout- now with jeets overseas, dumbed down degrees and just an oversupply of people wanting to sit in an air conditioned office no more)

总之，普通人的问题根源在于不承认这些低级的真理。所谓的“认知差异”其实很大（委婉地说，有大批人蠢得像石头，还有巨多数只是比石头稍微聪明点），以为通过教育能找到某种通用的、或者至少广泛适用的成功处方，这完全是个被相关性误导的想法（成功的人上大学是因为他们有能力成功），再加上有限的就业市场现实（有一段时间，有能力做办公室工作的人供给相对较低，只要有点大学学历就能脱颖而出——而现在随着海外的小屁孩们涌入，学位贬值，以及只想坐在空调办公室里的人严重过剩），情况已经大不相同了。