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>>62508427
s&p 500 is a different index retardo. the 500 is 500 big american companies. yet you're talking about crypto.
标普500是不同的指数，蠢货。500指的是500家美国大企业。而你却在谈论加密货币。
>>62508427
Top kek
顶级滑稽
Tantrums and walls of text incoming
接下来要发脾气和刷屏了
>>62508440
from who? anyone can make any index they want. easy peasy.
谁说的？任何人都可以制作任何指数。易如反掌。
>>62508427
Cryptos are either blatant scams or just bad investments, this shit will be awful.
加密货币要么就是赤裸裸的骗局，要么是糟糕的投资，这玩意儿会很烂。
>>62508449
regardless: global demand for crypto exports is at an all time high so its best to be the guy creating the crypto currencies to meet the global demand.
不管怎样：全球对加密货币的需求创历史新高，所以最好成为那个创造加密货币以满足全球需求的人。
>>62508442
>anyone can make any index they want
>任何人都可以制作任何指数
Yeah and this one was made by S&P Dow Jones Indices.
没错，这个是由标准普尔道琼斯指数公司制作的。
You know, the same people behind the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones.
你知道的，就是标普500和道琼斯指数的幕后公司。
>>62508427
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>62508440
>>62508442 (retard)
>>62508442 (白痴)
>>62508579
LMFAO
Imagine if you had to pay for every internet website you visit…retards think this is a good thing
想象一下如果访问每个网站都要付费……白痴们以为这是好事
>>62508427
there is are only a few tokens in crypto that actually make revenue, and there is exactly one token that makes sustainable revenue
加密货币中真正产生收入的代币只有少数几个，而且只有一个代币能产生可持续收入
>>62508612
>>62508427
MOoN
kabom
卡博姆
>>62508440
Why would I throw a tantrum regarding the only redeeming feature of BTC and the literal design and best feature of XRP?
我为什么要对BTC唯一的救赎特质以及XRP的 literal 设计和最佳特质发脾气呢？
No one even makes money on the tx of XRP. It's the best clearly.
根本没人靠XRP的交易赚钱。它明显是最好的。
No incentive is the best incentive.
没有激励就是最好的激励。
>>62509200
>No incentive is the best incentive.
>没有激励就是最好的激励。
fucking lmao
真他妈搞笑
>>62508427
Looks like I'm gonna slurp Litecoin and SOL
看来我要去撸Litecoin和SOL了
>>62509336
I know you can't stand it. But it's really not a good thing when people make a bunch of money on tx and "mining."
我知道你接受不了。但是当人们通过交易和“挖矿”赚大钱时，这真的不是什么好事。
Their incentive is not to do anything but make money as a middle man.
他们的激励就是什么都不做，只作为中间商赚钱。
If there is no middle man money, then you have to use it for the use case that is actually beneficial to the users.
如果中间商没油水，你就必须将其用于真正对用户有益的使用场景。
I know Jews have pervaded your mind and you can't fathom.
我知道犹太人已经渗透你的思想，你无法理解。
But the greatest things have and always will be done solely for the sake of doing them.
但最伟大的事物，过去、现在和未来都将纯粹为了做而做。
Then typically they are stolen and used for profit and enslavement. But that's so common it's not interesting to discuss.
然后通常它们会被窃取并用于牟利和奴役。但这太常见了，不值得讨论。
For instance, BTC is made more "usable" by not using it actually through LN.
例如，BTC通过使用LN（闪电网络）而不实际使用它，变得“更可用”。
What's their incentive? To hold the BTC and pretend you use it when you don't.
他们的动力是什么？是囤积BTC，假装在用，实际上根本没在用。
That's not a good incentive to be the base level of trust in a system.
这可不是充当系统中基础信任层的好动力。
The incentive has to be building, not making money off the existing product as a middle man grifter.
动力必须来自于构建产品，而不是像个中间商骗子那样从现有产品中牟利。
You CAN make money with an actual good product. But your incentive can't be to profit off total shit as a middle man. Which is the incentive of almost every system that exists.
你当然可以通过真正的好产品赚钱。但你的动力不能是像个中间商骗子那样靠一堆垃圾获利，这恰恰是几乎所有现存系统的动力所在。
>>62509376
>If there is no middle man money, then you have to use it for the use case that is actually beneficial to the users.
>如果没有中间商赚差价，那你就得把产品用于对用户真正有益的使用场景。
In other words: "if there is no incentive, you have to do things out of the goodness of your heart".
换句话说：“如果没有动力，你就只能凭着一腔善意做事”。
That's the dumbest shit I ever heard
这是我听过的最蠢的话
>>62509401
No. You have to provide value.
不对。你必须提供价值。
I think you are fairly new. The phrase I posted is a well known phrase that you can look up the origins of.
我觉得你刚来不久。我发的那句话是个很有名的梗，你可以查查它的出处。
It refers to middle men grifting.
它指的是中间商骗钱的行为。
The entire incentive and money making for BTC comes from middle men making money on tx fees and mining.
BTC 的全部动力和赚钱模式都来自于中间商通过交易费和挖矿赚钱。
This incentive doesn't benefit anyone but themselves.
这种动力除了对他们自己有利，对任何人都没好处。
For operations without a middle man grift as I just mentioned, you then have to provide an actual service to gain users and profit.
正如我刚才所说，对于没有这种中间商骗钱机制的运营，你必须提供真正服务来吸引用户并获利。
I made the mistake of thinking I was talking to someone who's been around more than a year I guess.
我想我犯了个错，以为我在和一个混迹圈子里超过一年的人聊天。
>>62509463
>You have to provide value.
>你必须提供价值。
Why? You have no incentive.
为什么？你没动力啊。
Out of the goodness of your heart?
凭着一腔善意？
>>62509487
>pretends not to understand
>假装听不懂
>actually doesn't understand
>其实是真不懂
Not sure, doesn't matter. Good luck to you.
无所谓了，也不重要。祝你好运吧。
>>62509463
>>62509506
>you then have to provide an actual service to gain users and profit.
>然后你就得提供实际服务来吸引用户并获利。
So how do you profit from being an XRPL node?
那你怎么从运营 XRPL 节点获利呢？
>>62509520
You don't.
你并不能。
The people that run them are interested in a system that works properly that they can then build their own actual service on top of.
运营这些节点的人关心的是一个能正常运行的系统，这样他们就能在上面构建自己的实际服务。
There is no benefit to running a node. You don't make money running a node or running tx for anyone.
运营节点本身没有任何好处。你通过运营节点或替别人处理交易赚不到钱。
The benefit to you comes after, ONLY if you provide a service on top of the infrastructure that is worth using, and that you can then charge for THAT SERVICE.
你后续的好处，ONLY 在于你基于基础设施提供了值得使用的服务，然后你可以对那个服务收费。
Incentivizing running the node makes it fake and gay.
为了激励节点运营而搞那些，会让系统变得虚假且掉价。
Not incentivizing running nodes mean that people have to UP FRONT contribute value to regular people to the degree that trust is built and they'll eventually use your services for other activities.
不激励节点运营，意味着人们必须 upfront（提前）向普通用户提供价值，从而建立起信任，最终他们会在其他活动中使用你的服务。
This also leads to you and me, being able to use it for free.
这也让我们能够免费使用它。
It's about the middle man part. The saying is tongue in cheek.
关键在于中间商那部分。那句话是带着调侃语气的。
I have a very good business. ALL THE TIME, I send people elsewhere for a better price or selection. This long term means I'm a trusted member of the community and I profit eventually, in a non scam manner.
我有个很棒的生意。我总是把客户引荐到其他地方以获取更好的价格或选择。从长远来看，这意味着我是社区中值得信赖的成员，最终我会获利，而且是靠正当手段。
But I have to provide actual value FIRST. And the value isn't making sure I get every sale. My value is being a highly trusted business person.
但我必须先提供真正的价值。而且我的价值不在于确保拿下每一笔销售，而在于我作为一个高度可信的商人。
The type of incentive rules the type of operation you'll have. I'm a good person, so my incentive is just that.
激励机制决定了你运营的玩法。我是个好同志，所以我的激励也就是这样了。
But there are bad people, so you build a system that basically keeps them at bay or forces them to actually do something of value to get value themselves.
但世上有坏人，所以你得建一套系统，基本上把他们挡在外面，或者迫使他们真正创造出价值才能换取价值。
No incentive, is the best incentive, because it keeps total scum out of the operation.
没有激励才是最好的激励，因为它能直接把一帮渣滓排除在运营之外。
I'll be taking lunch now at my whim.
我现在随心去吃个午饭。
>>62509565
>You don't.
>你做不到。
You said "you have to provide an actual service to profit".
你说过“你必须提供实际服务才能获利”。
Now you're saying you don't profit.
现在你又说你不获利。
Which is it?
到底哪句是真的？
>>62509571
They maintain the ledger FOR FREE.
他们免费维护账本。
This allows them to create a profitable product on top.
这使得他们能够在上面开发出盈利的产品。
I don't have to use their service. I get to use the XRPL for free.
我不必使用他们的服务。我可以免费使用 XRPL。
Meanwhile every other chain charges you and grifts just to do a tx. So their incentive is what?
与此同时，其他所有链收你钱，哪怕只是打个 tx 也要割韭菜。那它们的激励是什么？
High tx fees, unnecessary tx, etc.
高昂的手续费、不必要的交易，等等。
When you don't get paid, and will only get paid if the system works very well and you provide a service ON TOP OF the base layer functionality, then you can make money.
当你拿不到报酬，而且只有当系统运行良好且你在基础层功能之上提供服务时你才能赚钱，这时你才能获利。
I'm only going on for others that lurk. Please stop pretending to not understand though. It's not good for your psyche.
我之所以长篇大论是为了给那些潜水的人看的。不过请别再假装听不懂了，这会对你的心理健康不好。
>>62510068
>They maintain the ledger FOR FREE.
>他们免费维护账本。
>This allows them to create a profitable product on top.
>这使得他们能够在上面开发出盈利的产品。
so why is no incentive a good thing for maintaining the ledger, but not a good thing for the product on top?
那么，为什么“没有激励”对维护账本是好事，对上面的产品却不是好事呢？
>>62508427
That’s like saying S&P doesn’t hold any USD you stupid retarded faggot
这就像说标普不持有任何美元一样，你这个弱智同性恋垃圾
>>62509401
Odd way of saying antisemetic
这话说得挺有反犹主义味儿
>>62510081
Because I don't have to pay for the product on top? Because then the chain and the base function is free of grift?
因为我不必为上面的产品付费吗？因为这样一来，链和基础功能就摆脱了割韭菜？
The burn of XRP for each tx, which disappears forever, insures that the network isn't spammed.
每笔交易都会燃烧 XRP，永久消失，这确保了网络不会被垃圾邮件式的交易刷屏。
You don't need someone making money to stop the spam and control volume.
你不需要有人通过交易赚钱来阻止垃圾交易和控制交易量。
The second someone makes money on the tx is the second grifters create entire companies who's sole purpose is to funnel tx to the processing grifters.
一旦有人从交易中获利，立刻就会有骗子成立整家公司，其唯一目的就是把交易导流给那些搞处理的骗子。
We all know it costs the same to send money as it does an email. It's, for all intents and purposes free and the actual costs can't even be measured using thousandths of pennies. It's that close to free.
我们都知道发钱和发邮件的成本是一样的。可以说它是免费的，实际成本甚至都无法用千分之一美分来衡量。它离免费只差那么一丁点。
I'm glad you are asking real questions now.
我很高兴你现在开始问真正的问题了。
>>62510163
>The second someone makes money on something is the second grifters create entire companies who's sole purpose is to funnel that something to the processing grifters.
>一旦有人从某件事上获利，立刻就会有骗子成立整家公司，其唯一目的就是把那件事导流给那些搞处理的骗子。
So according to you, all products built on top of the XRPL are grifts by definition.
所以按照你的说法，所有建立在 XRPL 之上的产品按定义都是骗局。
>>62510196
I'm not sure that logically follows.
我不认为这在逻辑上必然成立。
You can build a grift on the XRPL if you like.
如果你喜欢，你可以在 XRPL 上搞骗局。
But it won't effect my ability to use the ledger for free so I'll probably not participate.
但这不会影响我免费使用账本的能力，所以我可能不会参与。
This is why there is no "meme coin" or "shit coin casino" on the XRPL.
这就是为什么 XRPL 上不存在“模因币”或“垃圾币赌场”。
The people that push and make the money on those are the people processing tx. They encourage it because the people running the nodes clean house and make a ton of money.
那些推动这些事情并从中赚钱的人，就是那些处理交易的人。他们鼓励这样做，因为运行节点的人会清理门户，赚得盆满钵满。
So they are promoted and exist THERE, not on the XRPL.
所以他们被推广并在那里存在，而不是在XRPL上。
They have been tried, but you never get any traction because you don't have the middle man grifters getting paid no matter what.
他们尝试过，但你永远无法获得任何进展，因为你没有那些无论发生什么都要拿钱的中间人骗子。
You get more grift operations when they are promoted by very large grifters.
当它们被非常大的骗子推广时，你会得到更多的骗术运作。
Like my business, I can run a grift here. I can put up SALE SALE SALE, 80% OFF!! and try to get people through the door.
就像我的生意一样，我可以在这里搞骗术。我可以挂出“大减价 大减价 大减价，八折！！”来试图吸引人们进店。
But when they find out it's not and it's still a ripoff it won't work.
但当他们发现这不是真的，而且依然是个骗局时，这就不管用了。
HOWEVER, if I got money every time someone pulled in the lot...I'd probably just do that all the time and not care that my sale was fake.
然而，如果每次有人把车开进我的停车场我都赚钱……我可能会一直这么做，根本不在乎我的打折是不是假的。
Why do I care you find out it's fake and gay after I got paid because you pulled in the lot?
既然你把我付了钱之后才发现它是假的、很扯淡，我又在乎什么呢？毕竟你可是把车开进来了？
>>62509200
>No one even makes money on the tx of XRP.
>没人甚至不通过XRP交易赚钱。
Be that as it may, Ripple Labs is raking in almost $1B a year from the XRP ecosystem (excluding token sales). NOTHING of that money flows back into said ecosystem.
话虽如此，Ripple Labs 每年从XRP生态系统中赚取近10亿美元（不包括代币销售）。这些钱没有一分回流到所谓的生态系统中。
https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/ripple-xrp-ceo-targets-1b-151834617.html
No incentive (for you) is the best incentive (for us, Ripple Labs) LMAO
（对你而言）没有激励就是最好的激励（对我们，Ripple Labs来说）哈哈哈
>>62510355
Yea, they make money by selling XRP. They created it. Makes sense.
是的，他们通过出售XRP赚钱。他们创造了它。这很合理。
Now...what is their incentive here? To sell it right?
现在……他们的动机是什么？为了卖掉它对吧？
What are people buying and why?
人们买的是什么？为什么买？
Their incentive is to make it worth buying, which means administering an efficient chain with no fees so that once you by, you can use it as you please.
他们的动机是让XRP值得购买，这意味着管理一个高效、无费用的链，这样一旦你买了，你就可以随意使用它。
Their incentive, especially given their holdings are in mid term (years) escrow, is to build something people want to buy into.
他们的动机，特别是考虑到他们的持仓是在中期（几年）托管中，是建立一个人们愿意购买的东西。
If it weren't for Ripple, I'd not own XRP actually.
如果没有Ripple，我实际上不会拥有XRP。
They benefit THE MOST from building something worth using.
他们从构建一个值得使用的东西中获益最多。
Because, no one has ANY REASON AT ALL to buy otherwise.
因为除此之外，人们没有任何理由去购买它。
If they got mining and tx fees, then their incentive to make the most money would depend on what?
如果他们获得了挖矿和交易费用，那么他们赚取最大利润的动机将取决于什么？
Pumping volume and scams and getting as many tx as possible.
抬高交易量、骗局以及尽可能多的交易。
So, you see...incentive. They make the most money when the tool is the most useful. Not when it's just used.
所以，你明白了……激励。当工具最有用时，他们赚的钱最多。而不是仅仅被使用时。
Places like Tranglo don't buy a billion of them otherwise.
像Tranglo这样的地方如果不买十亿个XRP，那才是怪事。
If they made money on tx, you'd see a massive shitcoin casino.
如果他们靠交易赚钱，你就会看到一个巨大的山寨币赌场。
But they don't. They make money on it being a legitimately useful product. Thusly, no shitcoin casino at all.
但他们不会。他们靠它成为一个真正有用的产品来赚钱。因此，根本没有山寨币赌场。
>>62510355
Except for spending billions buying banking and finance companies to have a vertically integrated complete financial system owned by ripple
除了花费数十亿美元收购银行和金融公司，从而拥有由Ripple垂直整合的完整金融系统
Just as I predicted: the only refutes of ripple and xrp are logical fallacies/ridicule/ad hominems
就像我预测的那样：对Ripple和XRP的所有反驳都是逻辑谬误/嘲笑/人身攻击
All the btc treasuries imploding really has them ass blasted
所有BTC财库的崩溃真的让他们狼狈不堪
>>62510319
>I'm not sure that logically follows.
>我不确定这在逻辑上是否成立。
It do.
You're saying as soon as someone makes money off something, grifters take hold.
你的意思是，一旦有人从某事中获利，骗子就会乘虚而入。
Therefore all products built on top of XRP are grifts, since that's where the money and profit is made according to you.
因此，所有构建在XRP之上的产品都是骗局，因为根据你所说，钱和利润就是在那里赚取的。
Because making XRPL incentiveless just moves the incentive to the products built on top. It doesn't remove anything.
因为让XRPL没有激励只是将激励转移到了其之上构建的产品上。它并没有消除任何东西。
>>62510719
False dichotomy
虚假的两难选择
>>62508427
>>62508440
>>62510526
Linkie cope. XRP is designed to not pay fees to anyone or have any at all outside spam-deterrent fees which are burned and not paid to anyone. It is not a proof of stake network. This is insanely desperate cope from the usual suspects (linkies) who will take any ounce of anything and pretend it is a pound and act likeit is the only pound of substance that matters in the world. Your coin is still not needed and never will be per anything even hypothesized to be built by CLL. Cope.
Link粉找借口。XRP 的设计初衷就是不给任何人付费，或者根本没有任何费用，除了那些会被销毁、不支付给任何人的反垃圾费用。它不是一个权益证明网络。这是来自惯犯们（Link粉）极其绝望的找借口行为，他们抓住任何一点东西，装模作样地说那是一磅，并表现得这似乎是世界上唯一重要的实质。你的代币仍然不需要，也永远不会被 CLL 计划构建的任何东西（哪怕是假设的）所需要。找借口吧。
how would currency make revenue
法币如何产生收入
>>62508788
>and there is exactly one token that makes sustainable revenue
>而且只有一个代币能产生可持续的收入
hype
炒作
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>62511537
Nope. The entire logic behind no-incentive mining is just bunk.
不。无激励挖矿背后的整个逻辑都是胡扯。
Because saying "as soon as someone makes money, grifters will take over" is retarded.
因为说“一旦有人赚到钱，骗子就会接管”就是脑子有病。
>>62511974
>Linkie cope
>Link粉找借口
>insanely desperate cope from the usual suspects (linkies)
>惯犯（Link粉）极其绝望的找借口
This isn't coming from Linkies, but from a little company called S&P Dow Jones Indices.
这话不是来自 Link 粉，而是来自一家名为标普道琼斯指数的小公司。
And the entire philosophy of "no incentives for nodes" is hilarious.
而且“节点无激励”的整个哲学太可笑了。
It basically means only Ripple can ever profit off XRPL since you can't build shit on the XRPL (not even Ripple builds on the XRPL), so all you can do is trade the XRP token.
这基本上意味着只有 Ripple 能永远从 XRPL 上获利，因为你无法在 XRPL 上构建任何东西（连 Ripple 自己都不在 XRPL 上构建），所以你唯一能做的就是交易 XRP 代币。
>>62512287
>>62512287
The posts are linkie cope, you fedora faggot. The excluding condition has nothing to do with perceived value and is literally determined prescriptively by its not being a specific type of network regardless of its own success or value. Literally anyone can build or set up their own validator on the XRPL and choose whichever validator set they want. You literally don't understand 101 of the network and act like a 20,000 hours of anime watching faggot who knows and says nothing but imagines themselves saying it with the impact of a gay cartoon character they've substituted their life into identifying with in a deep spiritual cuckoldry, which is probably why you bought link.
这些帖子是 Link 粉的找借口行为，你这个戴费多拉帽的混蛋。排除条件与感知价值无关，而是通过规定性决定的，仅仅因为它不是特定类型的网络，无论其自身的成功或价值如何。任何人都可以在 XRPL 上设置自己的验证节点并选择任何他们想要的验证节点集合。你完全不了解网络的基础知识，表现得像个看了 20,000 小时动漫的混蛋，除了想象自己用他们认同的卡通角色那种带有深远精神绿帽意味的方式说话外什么都不说，这大概就是为什么你买了 Link。
>>62508427
The only crypto that isn't -99% down is TRX. I'm serious, check the chart. Everything else looks like a rugpull scam in comparison
唯一没有下跌 99% 的加密货币是 TRX。我是认真的，去查查图表。相比之下，其他一切看起来都像跑路骗局
>>62512355
>protocol revenue has nothing to do with perceived value
>协议收入与感知价值无关
Sure it does, it reflects usage.
当然有关，它反映了使用情况。
Most of the stock market is largely valued in terms of their systemic revenue.
股市的大部分主要是根据其系统收入来估值的。
>>62512362
The protocol was literally designed to pay zero revenue to anyone with the framer dev ethos of "no incentive is the best incentive" and to have as low of fees (all of which are burned and paid to no one) as possible while still reducing spam on network. Making this post wrt the inclusion criteria for the index has would be like an issuer listing an ETF around the concept of federated consensus and not including the aptly acronym-ed PoS networks. You LITERALLY never learned the first principles of the thing you are doing the equivalent of an "and then everyone clapped" facebook wine mom poster in your own head and describing its first principle deliberate construction and the fulfillment of it in practice as proof it failed, thinking it was constructed to be something it is not because you literally know so little you don't even understand how the difference between its consensus model and others. It is so insanely low rent it is kind of wild. How do you spend THIS much time obsessively hating something because it stands in opposition to something you obsessively support with literal cult level conviction and still know so little about either?
该协议的设计初衷就是让任何人零收入，秉持 Framer 开发者的“没有激励才是最好的激励”的理念，并在尽可能减少网络垃圾信息的同时，将手续费（全部销毁且无人受益）压到最低。就索引的纳入标准发帖，就好比发行方基于“联邦共识”概念发行 ETF，却不包含那些恰如其分地缩写为 PoS 的网络。你 literally 根本没学会你所做之事的底层逻辑，就像那个“然后大家都鼓掌了”的 Facebook 红酒妈妈帖子，把自己头脑中对底层逻辑的刻意构建以及其在实践中得以实现，当作它失败的证据，还以为它被设计成别的样子，因为你 literally 知道得太少，甚至连它的共识模型与其他模型的区别都不懂。这低质程度简直离谱到疯狂。你是怎么花这么多时间痴迷地恨一个东西，同时又以近乎邪教般的信念痴迷地支持它的对立面，却对两者都知之甚少的？
>>62512396
>>62512396
don't even understand the* difference between it's consensus model and others
甚至不懂它与其他共识模型之间的*区别
Phoneposting so different id probably.
用手机发帖应该会有所不同吧。
>>62510438
A network requires more than one party to be incentivized, genius.
一个网络需要不止一方获得激励，天才。
>>62510521
Which benefits shareholders, not token holders.
这有利于股东，而非代币持有者。
>>62512396
>the framer dev ethos of "no incentive is the best incentive"
>“没有激励才是最好的激励”的 Framer 开发者理念
In other words: "if there is no incentive, you have to do things out of the goodness of your heart".
换句话说：“如果没有动力，你就只能凭着一腔善意做事”。
That's the dumbest shit I ever heard
这是我听过的最蠢的话
Also, the absolute state of your posts, holy shit.
还有，你帖子的状态简直绝了，我靠。
>>62512460
No. You literally are just so under-studied and inept that you don't see how a consensus that doesn't operators above utility could have value. Your argument of it only conferring value to Ripple doesn't even make sense. How are they preferenced when anyone can choose whichever nodes they want and run their own and issue assets and build at whim with a protocol level dex on a ledger that scales at L1. You are a butthurt retard who thinks conforming to a structure of groupthink grants you automatic rightness despite doing literally less than an hour of research on literally 101 level concepts. The value play is not middlemanning or network op fee collection and is deliberately the opposite of that. You unironically need to start with some crypto basics videos and learn what you are talking about. Not even just saying so to serve my argument: Your level of argument and knowledge and confidence is embarrassing as fuck and I cringe for you imagining what it would be like being you.
不。你 literally 就是太缺乏研究且无能，看不到一个不包含运营商、仅基于实用性的共识如何有价值。你论证说它只给 Ripple 带来价值，这根本说不通。既然任何人都可以选择任意节点、运行自己的节点、发行资产、并在一个能在 L1 扩展的账本上随心所欲地构建并使用协议级 DEX，他们怎么会受优待呢？你是个玻璃心且无知的杠精，认为顺应群体思维就能自动获得正确性，尽管你连 101 级别的基础概念都只做了不到一小时的调研。价值主张根本不是中间人模式或网络运营商费用抽取，而是刻意与此相反。你真心实意地需要从一些加密货币基础知识视频开始，学习一下你在说什么。我这么说不仅仅是为了佐证我的观点：你的论证水平、知识和自信程度都尴尬得令人发指，我替你想象作为你的人生都觉得 cringe。
>>62511974
Are the linkies the room with you now?
那些链接是你房间里现在的场景吗？
>>62512571
Why would anyone do work without incentive?
谁会没有激励还去干活？
>>62512637
Why do you think multiple operators already are? The network was built to preference being a public utility which itself preferences the core asset, using it for auto-bridging/path finding as default and the only issuer-less asset that exists onchain. I am not speculating that many validators already exist on the XRPL (some of them are literally FedNow service providers). So, given this reality that proves your framed hypothetical already wrong, why do you think they do?
你为什么觉得已经有多个运营方了？该网络被设计为更偏向作为公共基础设施，这也让它天然偏好核心资产，默认使用其进行自动桥接/路径查找，并且它是链上唯一没有发行方的资产。我不是在推测 XRPL 上已经存在大量验证节点（其中一些简直就是 FedNow 服务提供商）。所以，鉴于这一现实已经证明了你所构建的假设根本站不住脚，你为什么还认为他们会这么做？
>>62512631
They are posting in this thread despite having no argument and lacking literal 101 level understanding of their own tech let alone how XRPL consensus works or why it was designed that way, literally as an intentional pivot from the inadequacies of btc, themselves being early (possibly some of the earliest) bitcoin devs. Lol
他们在这个帖子里发帖，明明既没有论点，连自己技术的基础入门知识都缺乏，更不用说了解 XRPL 共识机制的运作方式及其设计初衷了。这简直是对比特币缺陷的一种刻意转向，而他们自己早期（甚至可能是最早期）就是比特币开发者。哈哈
>>62512649
Just sounds like you're coping about xrp not being included
听起来你只是因为在 XRP 没被纳入而产生心理防御罢了
Big long rambly dozen comments rants about how xrp is better but not for anyone who buys xrp hoping for a profit (this board is about making money)
长篇大论地 rant 十几条评论，声称 XRP 更好，但这对于指望买入 XRP 获利的任何人来说都没用（这个板块的主题是赚钱）
>>62512649
>why do you think they do?
>你为什么觉得他们会这么做？
You tell me, I have no idea.
你告诉我啊，我完全不知道。
It sounds retarded, and whatever their motivation is for working for free, it can't be good.
听起来很傻，而且他们免费工作的动机无论如何都不可能是好的。
>>62512654
Lol Nigger. You are coping reaching for ANYTHING to cling to to avoid facing the reality of Sir Gay's betrayal of you. This is a single index that once more selected for networks which pay revenues to operators exclusively. XRP's first ETFs launched with small issuers at literally the cresting moment that all of crypto started dumping and still smashed all other product launches for the year. You declaring finding a paragraph to be excessively taxing and not knowing how to respond to it or how to cope with that is not the own on me you think it is. XRP is involved and included in plenty of products; why would I care or be surprised it is not included in one that expressly discludes any consensus model like it? I'm certainly not wishing it was fucking PoS so that it would be included in this single product. Lol
哈哈 [种族歧视词汇]。你只是在拼命找任何借口来逃避面对 Sir Gay 背叛你的现实。这是一个又一次只选择了那些能向运营方支付收入的网络的单一指数。当整个加密货币市场开始崩盘的那一瞬，XRP 的首批 ETF 即使面向小发行商也推出了，依然在该年度所有新产品发行中表现最佳。你说找到一个段落让你过度耗费精力，并且不知道如何回应它或如何接受它，这不是我认为你该承担的责任。XRP 确实参与并被包含在许多产品中；既然有一个明确排除它这种共识模式的产品，我为什么会在乎或惊讶它没被包含其中？我可绝对不希望它是该死的 PoS（权益证明）从而被纳入这一个产品中。哈哈
>>62512659
On a systems level: To form a network that preferences no one and works the same for everyone regardless of consolidated stake or holdings, which 100% of the time accrue in concentrated hands across Pareto time. On an individual operator level, to build the network as a public utility and to preserve an ACTUALLY decentralized consensus and network. On the individual operator level: Because you have a personal/business/academic benefit in the success of such a network and being close and contributing to governance of it or some fork or resemblance of it if it steps outside the protocol you supported. Financial rewards centralize and create insane perverse incentives you would not want at the heart of an engine you want to be persistently neutral. It isn't really that hard to understand and the fact you can't even theorize it conceptually says you are WAY too green to be posting. Go spend time learning the fundaments at least first.
从系统层面来说：要构建一个不偏袒任何一方、无论集中度如何或持仓多少，所有人都以相同方式使用的网络，而持仓几乎总会随着时间推移在帕累托分布下集中在少数人手中。从单个运营方层面来说：要将其构建为公共基础设施，并维护一个真正去中心化的共识和网络。从个体运营者的角度来看：因为他们从这类网络的成功以及与之保持紧密关系并贡献于其治理（或是其支持协议之外的某个分支或类似物）中获得个人/商业/学术上的利益。财务回报会导致中心化，并产生你不想作为你希望保持持久中立的引擎核心的扭曲激励。这其实并不难理解，而你连从概念上进行理论化的能力都没有，说明你还太嫩，不配在这里发帖。至少先去花点时间学习基础知识吧。
>>62512692
A public utility with heavily curated participants that are expected to provide for free, while the curator rakes in obscene amounts of cash? I thought crypto was supposed to get rid of these kind of NGO/local government/church grifts.
一个公共效用项目，参与者被精心筛选，还被要求免费出力，而策展人却赚得盆满钵满？我还以为加密货币能摆脱这种非政府组织/地方政府/教会的骗术呢。
>>62512692
>On the individual operator level: Because you have a personal/business/academic benefit in the success of such a network
>在个体运营者层面：因为你个人/商业/学术上需要从这类网络的成功中获利
So you DO have incentive.
所以你确实有动力。
It's just that in order to be successful on XRPL, you not only have to build something on top of it but you pretty much also have to be a node operator as well.
问题是，要在 XRPL 上成功，你不仅得在上面构建东西，基本上还得当节点运营商。
That's retarded just on principle alone.
这本身就蠢透了。
Then there's the fact that nobody actually builds anything on XRPL, so the logic falls apart before you even get to the retarded principle.
而且事实上根本没人用 XRPL 构建东西，所以在蠢到离谱的原则问题之前，这逻辑就已经崩了。
Not even Ripple builds on XRPL.
连 Ripple 都不在 XRPL 上构建东西。
>>62512703
16 posts here
这里 16 帖
88 posts in another thread
另一个话题里有 88 帖
''I average 7 post per day''
“我平均每天发帖 7 条”
Biepum go outside and touch grass you spamming midwit. Let brad out of your head for a full 5 seconds.
Biepum 滚出去晒晒太阳吧，你这刷屏的半吊子。让你脑子里的 Brad 离开 5 秒钟行不行。
>>62509376
>>62512396
>>62512737
why can't I shake the feeling that these three ids are actually the same guy?
为什么我老觉得这三个 ID 其实是同一个人？
>>62512799
Fregoli delusion
弗拉戈利错觉（Fregoli delusion）
You went psychotic holding link and spending too much time here. You need help bro
你抱着 LINK 币看多了，在这里花时间太多，都快疯了。兄弟你需要帮忙
>>62512837
Either you got upset in another thread and are taking your anger in this thread for some reason;
要么你在别的帖子被气到了，不知为何把火撒在这帖里；
or you simply got upset in this thread and are samefagging in this thread to take out your anger.
要么你在这帖里被气到了，然后自己开小号同一人发表情来宣泄怒火。
Occam's razor says it's the latter.
奥卡姆剃刀告诉我们，是后者。
>>62512845
Or, I literally open a thread, see you posting the same way you always do. Comment on it, and you assume I am someone else.
或者，我 literally 新开个帖子，看到你用你一贯的方式发帖。我评论一句，你就假设我是别人。
>upset
>气到了
>anger
>怒火
You are projecting again. Been working on new collages lately?
你又在投射了。最近在做新的拼贴画吗？
>>62512855
There's only one easily identifiable posting style itt, and it's the verbose cripple shill's: >>62512571 >>62512396 >>62510438 >>62510319 >>62510163
这里只有一个容易识别的发帖风格，就是那个话痨残疾托的风格：>>62512571 >>62512396 >>62510438 >>62510319 >>62510163
Not just his disjointed verbal diarrhea, but also his propensity for samefagging and ad homs.
不只是他那 disjointed 的口水直流，还有他爱用同一人发表情和人身攻击的倾向。
>>62512872
>dentifiable posting style
>可识别的发帖风格
Pot calls the kettle black
五十步笑百步
>>62512872
>verbal diarrhea
>口水直流
This is you right? https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S60883086#p60884456
It was probably around that time you got the delusion.
你大概也是那时候产生妄想症的。
>>62512737
I found the thread you're referring to btw: boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/62466449
顺便说一下，我找到了你提到的那个帖子：boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/62466449
It's a linkie thread, and you're in it angrily fudding link and denying you're a xerpie.
那是个链接帖子，你在那里怒气冲冲地黑 LINK，还否认自己是 Xerpie。
Yet here you are, angrily defending XRP.
结果你在这里，怒气冲冲地辩护 XRP。
>>62512799
Because you are a petulant faggot who would rather spin yourself into weird repressed dissonance than concede that you are unable to argue and don't know fucking anything. I literally never samefag.
因为你就是个斤斤计较的混蛋，宁愿把自己陷入奇怪的压抑失调状态，也不肯承认你吵不过且根本啥都不懂。我从来不用同一人发表情。
>>62512703
Yes, you fucking retard. You OBVIOUSLY have an incentive to operate one. You do not have a paid out network revenue financial reward incentive to operate one. This is INSANELY low IQ. You are actually arguing for the broader use of the term incentive, knowingly conflating the broader meaning with the rewardless consensus structure to cope? Anyone who does anything at scale has an incentive to do so otherwise they would not do so. You asked why they would do so absent operator reward payouts and I said why and you think there being positive reasons is an argument against my point? Do you not know what is meant by operator incentives? Lmfao How new are you? You don't have to be an operator to see reward from it or build anything, but anyone is free to do either and doing so confers personal benefits that in no way change the consensus for individuals and in no way pays out through network operations to them directly. Ripple spend millions funding grants to build and build and fund protocol amendment dev (in latest instance the lending/vault amendments) and publish roadmaps while doing so. Lol You are coping HARD in a weird way that is simultanouesly ignorant beyond reason to even consider this stuff and avoidant of the abc level facts that you are presented which prove what a retard you are. Insane to imagine being you.
是的，你这个他妈的弱智。你显然有动力去运营一个节点。你并没有因为运营节点而获得网络收入分成的财务回报激励。这真是智商低到令人发指。你其实是在故意混淆“激励”这个更宽泛的含义，用那种没有奖励的共识结构来为自己找借口？任何大规模做事的人都有动力去做，否则他们就不会做了。你问他们在没有操作员奖励分成的情况下为什么还要做，我说出了原因，而你却认为有积极的理由是反驳我的观点？你不知道“节点激励”是什么意思吗？笑死人了。你才刚接触多久？你不需要成为节点运营商也能从中获益或构建任何东西，任何人都可以自由地做这两件事，而且这样做会给自己带来好处，但这绝不会改变个体的共识，也绝不会通过网络运营直接向他们支付报酬。Ripple花了几百万美元资助开发，构建和资助协议修正案（在最近的实例中是借贷/金库修正案），并发布路线图。哈哈。你在以一种奇怪的方式强行自我安慰，既无知到不可理喻，不去考虑这些事实，又回避那些摆在你面前、证明你是个弱智的基础ABC级事实。想象一下你是多么离谱，简直不可思议。
>>62512702
No one has to use the UNL and everyone is free to select which nodes to trust or fork the network when they disagree with amendment adoption. This is the entire ethos of decentralization. Ripple is not an NGO or local government or church. You are EXTREMELY low IQ and out of your depth trying to talk about things you have LITERALLY spent less than 1 hour researching in a meaningful way but still cultishly message about.
没有人必须使用UNL，每个人都有权选择信任哪些节点，或者在反对修正案采纳时分叉网络。这就是去中心化的核心理念。Ripple不是非政府组织、地方政府或教会。你智商极低，根本不懂装懂，试图谈论那些你 literally 花不到一小时认真调研过的东西，却依然像信徒一样复读那些内容。
>>62512910
>You OBVIOUSLY have an incentive to operate one.
>你显然有动力去运营一个节点。
Then you won't mind me mocking the phrase "the best incentive is no incentive".
那你应该不介意我嘲讽“最好的激励就是没有激励”这句话。
>>62512907
I think its pretty clear that I
我认为很明显我
am not >>62512910
并不是 >>62512910
Good luck with the treatment, with meds you can have a semi normal life.
祝治疗顺利，吃药的话你可以拥有半正常的生活。
>>62512926
bye now, angry link fudder / xrp shill
再见，愤怒的链黑子/XRP水军
>>62512872
It takes more than five words to form a cogent point. I have a very large bag of RIPPLEXRP and I'm explaining to you why.
形成论点不止需要五个字。我重仓RIPPLEXRP，我在此解释原因。
It's your interaction that allowed me to extrapolate. If it's so bad, you could have not engaged.
是你的互动让我得以推断。如果那么糟糕，你本可以不参与。
>>62512872
Also, the posting styles aren't similar at all you mental midget.
而且，你的发帖风格和那个蠢货完全不相似。
I post line after line and I can see many may not like that. I think it makes points clearly.
我是一行一行地发帖，我知道很多人可能不喜欢这样。但我认为这样能把观点表达得很清楚。
The other dude writes more book style paragraphs.
另一个人写的是像书籍一样的长段落。
The fact that you find these similar at all is another (about the 22nd this thread) that you are retarded.
你竟然觉得这两者有任何相似之处，这是你又弱智的一个证据（这已经是本主题下的第22次了）。
>>62512967
>>62512974
You made the same basic point with both your verbose IDs: the incentive for running a network node is the profit you stand to make from the products you build on top of the network.
你用那两个冗长的ID表达了相同的基本观点：运行网络节点的动力在于你从网络上层构建的产品中可能获得的利润。
So the saying "the best incentive is no incentive" is bullshit, like I said.
所以说“最好的激励就是没有激励”是扯淡，正如我所说的。
Also nobody actually builds anything on top of XRPL, not even Ripple.
而且事实上根本没人基于XRPL构建任何东西，即使是Ripple自己也没有。
See; once I cut through the verbal diarrhea, your point is laughably stupid. Which is probably why you have to bury it in all that verbal diarrhea to begin with.
看；一旦我剥去那堆口胡，你的观点蠢得可笑。这恐怕就是为什么你一开始就要用那一堆口胡把它掩埋起来的原因。
>>62512287
>it’s not a false dichotomy because ad hominem
>“这不是虚假两难，因为这是人身攻击”
You’re really good at logical fallacies
你可真是擅长玩弄逻辑谬误啊。
>>62513002
You sound highly emotionally invested.
你听起来投入了极高的情绪。
I've owned it for enough time to not even follow it really. I actually haven't been on /biz/ about six months until yesterday.
我持有它够久了，甚至都不太关注它了。说实话，昨天之前我已经六个月没上过/biz/版块了。
I'm posting in the "non participation" thread which is really what got me hanging around.
我在这个“不参与”线程里发帖，这其实也是我留下来混迹的原因。
>Also nobody actually builds anything on top of XRPL, not even Ripple.
>“而且事实上根本没人基于XRPL构建任何东西，即使是Ripple自己也没有。”
Well this isn't true actually. But this is the point. I don't care if they do. I've never had any business arrangement and will never with Ripple.
好吧，这其实并不属实。但重点不在这。我不在乎他们建不建。我从未与Ripple有过任何商业合作，以后也不会有。
Although I take a lot of cc payments and they've become a bank and I am hopeful they'll eventually offer me better cc processing rates.
不过我接收大量信用卡支付，而且他们现在已经变成银行了，我希望他们最终能给我提供更有竞争力的信用卡费率。
At that point, I'll be in a contractual agreement with a service the BUILT ON TOP.
到那时，我将与一项“建立在……之上”的服务签订合约。
I'll still be able to use and send XRP directly with customers if I like. But the card swipes are a racket, so you have to participate or not. Your choice.
如果我喜欢，我仍然可以直接与客户使用并发送XRP。但刷卡收单就是一套黑幕，所以你要么参与，要么不参与。随你便。
>>62512692
Why are you changing the subject?
你为什么要转移话题？
>>62513295
Just to confirm, you're just in it for tech and can't produce a reason xrp would increase in price?
确认一下，你只是为了技术而入局，但拿不出XRP会升值的理由？
>>62513288
I literally said the argument is retarded. That's very much not an ad hom.
我字面意思是说这个论点蠢爆了。这根本不算人身攻击。
>>62514263
kek
呵呵
>>62514263
The price of XRP goes up if the use of the ledger is more efficient than other options.
如果账本的使用效率比其他选项更高，XRP的价格就会上涨。
Right now that isn't the case. But the price is over a $1, so I guess it's twice as likely as a couple years ago?
目前情况并非如此。但价格已经突破1美元了，所以我觉得相比几年前，涨的可能性是两倍？
Or at least 1.5x as likely if you factor inflation?
或者如果你考虑到通胀因素，至少是1.5倍的可能性？
I typically do well financially. So you win some and lose some, but I usually win and am winning currently.
我通常在财务上表现不错。所以赢也有输也有，但我通常是赢家，而且目前正在赢。
Could have won more elsewhere in the interim, but nonetheless still winning.
中间过程本可以在其他地方赚得更多，但尽管如此，我仍然是在赢。
>>62508427
Everything in that is either a centralized scam, a VC exit liquidity dump, or a literal shitfork. (((Wall Street))) running the ETFs and the index only care about protocols that print fees for their buddies. Bitcoin doesn't need to "generate revenue" like some DeFi casino. It is hard money. It is the apex predator of digital assets. It doesn't beg for protocol revenue because it IS the fucking settlement layer. And of course the people deciding which coins get the institutional stamp of approval are the same (((tribe))) that runs BlackRock, the same ones that run the CME, the same ones that run every fucking ETF. They want yield farms and fee-extracting L2s.
里面的东西不是中心化骗局，就是VC退出流动性抛售，或者是纯屎fork。(((华尔街))) 运营ETF和指数基金，只关心那些能给他们哥们儿带来手续费收入的协议。比特币不需要像某些DeFi赌场那样去“产生收入”。它是硬通货。它是数字资产的顶级掠食者。它不需要乞求协议收入，因为它本身就是该死的基础结算层。当然，决定哪些币能获得机构认可的人，也就是(((同一群))人) 运营着贝莱德（BlackRock）、掌控着CME（芝加哥商业交易所）、掌管着每一个该死的ETF。他们想要的是收益农场和抽取费用的L2。
>>62515127
>apex predator
>顶级掠食者
>proof of work
>工作量证明
Pick one
选一个吧
>>62514232
I'm not. Name a single time I did or cope in resolute, repressed, electrified stillness.
我没选。你说出我哪一次选了？还是在坚韧、压抑、通电般的静止中自我安慰？
>>62513002
I'm not samefagging you fucking retard. There are just many people who are competent to call you a retard for obvious reasons.
我不是在换号喷你个蠢货。只是很多人都有充分的理由叫你蠢货。
>>62512919
You are INSANELY low IQ. Me saying there is no "incentive" to operators means there is no network paid incentive. This is not new, invented terminology I am cherrypicking. This is common parlance which you don't know because you don't know anything, which then leads you to using the general any-context definition of "incentive" to mean that any discernable reason one would deem favorable. This glaring retardation is objectively and explicitly expressed in the selection critereria of the index, which exclusively chooses networks which confer direct financial incentives to operators. Are you arguing that the networks that exist outside this selection criteria are exclusively run by people who are deliberately acting outside their own positive incentive? There are dozens of networks maintaining billions of dollars in capital which fit this framework which are not rewarded by the network but obviously have reasons to continue doing so (as emphasized by the fact they do) which have nothing to do with paid out network operator incentives (because they receive none). Literally what the fuck are you even saying and how much of a desperate, ironically relevant context-missing semantic faggot can you be? Exactly what revelation do you think that you are uncovering vs. me here? That people who choose to operate a network do so through preference of doing so over not? When did I ever claim that was not the case and who the what the fuck kind of argument is this and how is it relevant to either the structure of network consensus or its explicit relevance to inclusion criteria for the index? Are you actually THIS retarded?
你智商低得令人发指。我说没有“激励”，是指网络方没有支付激励机制。这不是我为了断章取义而发明的生僻术语，而是通用说法，你不知道是因为你一无所知，于是你把“激励”在任何语境下的广义定义理解成了“任何你觉得有利的理由”。这种明显的弱智表现，在指数的筛选标准中得到了客观且明确的体现：该指数只选择那些能给运营商带来直接经济利益的网。你是在论证，不符合这些筛选标准的网络，是由一群故意违背自身利益的人运营的吗？有数十个符合这种框架的网络拥有数十亿美元的资本，它们没有从网络获得奖励，但显然有继续运营的理由（正如它们确实在做的那样），这些理由与网络支付给运营商的激励（因为它们根本拿不到）无关。你到底在扯什么？你这个在语义上如此匮乏、又讽刺地缺乏语境感的人，能有多蠢？你以为你发现了什么惊天秘密，而我呢？难道就是“选择运营网络的人，比起不运营，更喜欢去运营”吗？我什么时候声称过不是这样？这算什么狗屁论点，跟网络共识的结构或其对纳入指数标准的明确相关性有什么鬼关系？你真的这么蠢吗？
>>62516399
>secure the network
>保护网络安全
>"being paid for this service bad because grifters"
>“因为会有骗子（grifters），所以为这项服务付费是不好的”
>secure a product that uses the network
>保护使用该网络的产品
>"being paid for this service good"
>“为这项服务付费是好的”
The worst part is pretty much nobody actually builds any products that use the network. Not even Ripple.
最糟糕的是，几乎没有人真的构建任何使用该网络的产品。连 Ripple 都没有。
>>62516608
Lol Cope cope cope. Ripple's entire business revolves around scaling XRP. Separately, just to name a few: Franklin Templeton (trillion dollar asset manager) and DBS (largest bank in Singapore, the Switzerland of Asia) are building out a repo market on the XRPL. Dubai are doing tokenizing real estate on the XPRL with their royalty partnering with SBI through VivoPower to drive utility or SBI are alone doing to incentivize depositors to hold. Already mentioned how ONDO are the second largest issued fund after RLUSD which in less than a year after launching became a top 10 stablecoin (tokenized fiat). Plenty more examples which you have read multiple times and refuse to cope.
笑死，破防破防破防。Ripple 的全部业务都围绕扩展 XRP 展开。另外，仅举几例：富达投资（管理资产规模达万亿美元的资产管理公司）和星展银行（新加坡最大的银行，亚洲的瑞士）正在 XRPL 上构建回购市场。迪拜正在 XRPL 上进行房地产代币化，他们通过 VivoPower 与 SBI 合作建立权益合作伙伴关系以促进效用，或者 SBI 单独行动以激励存款人持有。前面已经提过 ONDO 是发行量仅次于 RLUSD 的第二大基金，后者在推出不到一年内就成为了前十大稳定币（法币代币化）。还有更多例子，你读了多次却拒绝破防。
>>62516646
>Ripple's entire business revolves around scaling XRP
>Ripple 的全部业务都围绕扩展 XRP 展开
Almost none of Ripple's products need XRP.
Ripple 的产品几乎都不需要 XRP。
>Franklin Templeton (trillion dollar asset manager) and DBS (largest bank in Singapore, the Switzerland of Asia) are building out a repo market on the XRPL.
>富达投资（管理资产规模达万亿美元的资产管理公司）和星展银行（新加坡最大的银行，亚洲的瑞士）正在 XRPL 上构建回购市场。
That's a fancy way of saying "they're looking at maybe tokenizing sgBENJI on the XRPL".
这不过是“他们可能在 XRPL 上代币化 sgBENJI”的一种花哨说法罢了。
This is far from reality yet.
这距离现实还远着呢。
sgBENJI is a tiny Asian subcategory of Franklin Templeton's BENJI, which is already live on stellar, polygon, arbitrum, solana, avalanche, aptos, ethereum, base, and BNB.
sgBENJI 只是 Franklin Templeton 旗下 BENJI 的一个小小的亚洲子类目，而 BENJI 已经在 Stellar、Polygon、Arbitrum、Solana、Avalanche、Aptos、以太坊、Base 和 BNB 上上线了。
It's a joke.
就是个笑话。
>>62516667
They don't need it but all of them (with exception for now of some of their custody solutions) are improved through its use in both cost and speed, which is why they use it.
它们根本不需要这个，但它们（除了目前某些托管方案除外）在使用后成本和速度都提升了，这就是它们使用它的原因。
>Franklin Templeton and DBS using XRP
>Franklin Templeton 和 DBS 使用 XRP
Lol EXTREME cope. This is exact expression of why I call you argument avoidant low IQ cultists on display for any to see. They are not "maybe tokenizing." They are explicitly building a facility to collateralize and lend on its basis. Have you considered the largest bank in Singapore is using it as collateral because....they're in Asia? Lol ONDO (which Franklin participant are a member of) are the second largest fund on the XRPL after RLUSD, as a total value. Relevant to this: In context it is also worth noting Black Rock's BUIDL and Van Eck's VBILL (another ONDO participant) also partnered with Securitize to bring fiat onramps onchain using RLUSD. Pic related is from a video released with ONDO's founder and CEO who is the feature of it which came out before any of this happened (was at the time suggested by linkies to mean nothing) which ended up being a prophecy of what has already happened. The XRPL is forming a basis of the tokenized fiat linkage and onramps bridging ONDO participant onchain funds and the XRPL bridges the whole thing, particularly as other fiat stablecoins enter the arena, say from Asian subcategory funds, which funds can then be accepted as onchain collateral for lending/borrowing as DBS and Franklin Templeton are building, which the new lending protocol amendment on the XRPL will be able to facillitate. Lol:
笑死，极度的自我安慰。这完美展示了为什么我叫你们这些回避论点、低智商的邪教徒。它们不是“可能代币化”，而是在明确地构建一个以此作为抵押和贷款的基础设施。你有没有想过，新加坡最大的银行为什么用它做抵押品，因为……它们就在亚洲？笑死，ONDO（Franklin 的参与者也是其成员）的总价值是 XRPL 上仅次于 RLUSD 的第二大基金。与此相关的是，值得一提的是，在背景中，Black Rock 的 BUIDL 和 Van Eck 的 VBILL（另一位 ONDO 参与者）也与 Securitize 合作，使用 RLUSD 将法币通道引入链上。下图出自与 ONDO 创始人兼 CEO 的一段视频，他是视频的主角，那段视频发布于上述所有事件之前（当时被 Linkies 暗示说毫无意义），结果竟成了对已发生事件的预言。XRPL 正在形成代币化法币挂钩和通道的基础，连接 ONDO 参与者的链上资金，而 XRPL 则连接整个体系，特别是随着其他法币稳定币（比如来自亚洲子类目基金的稳定币）进入市场，这些资金随后可以作为链上抵押品用于借贷，就像 DBS 和 Franklin Templeton 正在建设的那样，而 XRPL 上的新借贷协议修正案将能够促进这一切。笑死：
why are xrp bagholders so fucking stupid
为什么 XRP 的巨鲸们这么他妈蠢
>>62517131
>They are not "maybe tokenizing."
>它们不是“可能代币化”。
That's exactly what they're doing. They haven't actually tokenized yet.
它们正在做的正是那回事。它们实际上还没有代币化。
>They are explicitly building a facility to collateralize and lend on its basis.
>它们正在明确地构建一个以此作为抵押和贷款的基础设施。
The point of tokenization is to do things like collateralization and lending, yes. This is true for literally all tokenized assets.
代币化的目的正是为了做抵押和借贷之类的事情，没错。对于所有代币化资产来说都是如此。
>the largest bank in Singapore is using it as collateral
>新加坡最大的银行用它作为抵押品
They're not doing anything yet. The furthest they got is a "memorandum of understanding".
它们还没做任何事。它们走得最远也就是签了份“谅解备忘录”。
On the other hand: much larger banks are already using Franklin Templeton's BENJI on stellar, polygon, arbitrum, solana, avalanche, aptos, ethereum, base, and BNB.
另一方面：规模大得多的银行已经在 Stellar、Polygon、Arbitrum、Solana、Avalanche、Aptos、以太坊、Base 和 BNB 上使用 Franklin Templeton 的 BENJI 了。
>>62517188
Post being flagged for some reason. Pic related is reply.
帖子因为某些原因被标记了。下图是回复。
>>62517188
>>62517334
Pic related mentioned in the post and links (original DBS links will not post without being flagged for some reason (probably linkie janny being a faggot) but are findable directly on the archive link or by gooogling etc.). COPE:
上图提到的内容，帖子中的链接（原始的 DBS 链接因为某些原因发布时会被标记，可能是 Linkie 那个混蛋在搞鬼），但在归档链接中可以直接找到，或者通过谷歌搜索等找到。继续自我安慰：
>>62508437
Those 500 big American companies are the biggest on the earth with the most market cap and some of the biggest revenue streams.
这 500 家美国大公司是全球市值最大、收入来源最庞大的公司。
TSMC and I guess Saudi aramco exist but that shit will be obsolete when in 2031 consumer solid state batteries take over. Gas and oil are basically finished.
台积电和沙特阿美确实存在，但到了2031年消费级固态电池普及后，这些都得过时。油气基本完蛋了。
>>62517334
>>62517361
None of what you said changes what I said here >>62517188
你说的都没改变我在 >>62517188 里的观点。
They are PLANNING TO tokenize, and the furthest they got is a memorandum of understanding. Your own link literally confirms this, see pic.
他们正计划代币化，目前进展最远的也就是签了个意向书。你自己发的链接里都证实了这回事，看图。
Meanwhile Franklin Templeton's main BENJI asset is already active on stellar, polygon, arbitrum, solana, avalanche, aptos, ethereum, base, and BNB.
meanwhile，Franklin Templeton 的主力资产 BENJI 已经在 Stellar、Polygon、Arbitrum、Solana、Avalanche、Aptos、Ethereum、Base 和 BNB 链上活跃了。
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