for doing photo editing, Office and basic webs stuff...not looking to brea the bank just want a basic system thanks
照片编辑、Office和基础网页应用最划算……我不想砸钱，只想买个基础系统，谢谢
决定买台新 iMac，最好的是
for doing photo editing, Office and basic webs stuff...not looking to brea the bank just want a basic system thanks
照片编辑、Office和基础网页应用最划算……我不想砸钱，只想买个基础系统，谢谢
have one, 24" M4 series.
24英寸M4系列这一种选择。
If a 256Gb SSD is fine, then just the base model would work fine.
如果256GB SSD够用，那基础款就行。
Just my opinion, I prefer a Mac mini with a 27" monitor.
纯属个人意见，我更喜欢Mac mini搭配27英寸显示器。
I have an M2 mini, base model & I do all that you mentioned.
我有一台M2 mini基础款，我做的所有你提到的事情它都能搞定。
...as long as you don't need portability, if you do, then I suggest if it's in the budget a MacbookPro.
……只要你不需要便携性，如果需要，且预算允许，我建议选MacBook Pro。
AFA drive size, get the biggest you can afford, as Apple no longer allows upgrading after purchase.
至于硬盘大小，买你能负担得起的最大容量，因为苹果不再允许购买后升级。
Get the MAX RAM, as again once purchased Apple does not allow any upgrading. Also high resolution photo editing can and will require heafty RAM, and RAM is relatively cheap.
把内存加到最大，因为同样地，一旦购买苹果就不允许任何升级。而且高分辨率照片编辑确实会需要大量内存，而内存相对便宜。
You will want an external drive at least as big as your internal, and another as big as that plus the side of the external you get for backup.
你至少需要一个和内置硬盘一样大的外接硬盘，再配一个更大的，用于备份前一个外接硬盘的空间。
Check out Apple certified Refurbs. New with same warranty can save you a few bucks.
看看苹果认证翻新机。带同样保修的新品能帮你省点钱。
https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac. Also, why do you need/want to buy new? Check places like Craigslist used for great deals on nearly new Macs. Often there are exceptional deals on Macs only a few months old you can save big bucks. Meet local, do a complete test (all ports, make sure it's not password protected or have a locked account, et al).
Spend the $$ for Applecare. Its worth it for the free support alone, even if you are an experienced MacOS user, and especially if you're not.
花这笔钱买AppleCare。光是免费支持就值回票价，即使你是经验丰富的macOS用户，如果不是更是如此。
FWIW I have a Mini and 2 MBPros that are my daily personal/business machines, and I have been and Apple user all my life.
顺便说一下，我有一台Mini和两台MBP，它们是我日常的个人/工作用机，而且我一生都是Apple用户。
Yes an M series the RAM can not be upgraded later, & some new Macs the SSD is not easily user upgraded later as well.
是的，M系列内存无法后期升级，而且部分新款Mac的SSD用户也无法轻松后期升级。
Maxing out RAM on a new iMac can get expensive.
为新iMac选配最大内存可能会很贵。
On top of around $1200 for the base model alone (16GB RAM/ 256GB SSD)
基础款（16GB RAM/ 256GB SSD）就要1200美元左右
From what I see 24GB is $200 more.
据我所知，24GB要多加200美元。
Also 1TB SSD is $400 more.
另外1TB SSD要多加400美元。
IMO, 16 GB (base model) is more then enough for what he plans on doing.
在我看来，16GB（基础款）对他计划做的事情来说绰绰有余。
When it comes to the drive, I'd say that depends on what all the OP intends on storing.
至于硬盘，我认为这取决于楼主打算存多少东西。
Which is up to the OP.
这由楼主自己决定。
Keep in mind, I do all that he mentions with 8GB RAM.
记住，我用8GB内存就能做他提到的所有事情。
On the average my M2 mini uses around 6GB RAM.
平均而言，我的M2 mini使用大约6GB内存。
& that's with several apps running.
而且这还是在运行多个应用的情况下。
Also the OP may not be pro editing super high res photos.
另外，楼主可能并不是专业人士去编辑超高分辨率的照片。
He may just be pro editing typical photos from an iPhone for example which the res is around 3k x 4k around 4MB.
他可能只是专业地编辑来自iPhone的普通照片，比如分辨率约为3k x 4k，大小约4MB。
This is from Yahoo
来自雅虎
"Yes, the base model M4 iMac can handle high-resolution photo editing. The M4 chip is designed for efficient performance, making it suitable for tasks like photo editing, even with high-resolution images.
“是的，基础款 M4 iMac 能够处理高分辨率照片编辑。M4 芯片专为高效能设计，因此非常适合照片编辑等任务，即使面对高分辨率图像也毫无压力。”
This from Google
以上来自谷歌
"Yes, the base model M4 iMac can handle high-resolution photo editing for most users, but its performance may be limited with extremely demanding professional workloads."
“是的，基础款 M4 iMac 能满足大多数用户的高分辨率照片编辑需求，但在处理极度专业的重型任务时，其性能可能会受限。”
I would say, if the OP really needs better performance for extreme workloads, he could get the M4 with more cores.
我觉得，如果楼主确实需要更强的性能来处理重度任务，他可以选择核心数更多的 M4 芯片版本。
Matthew, I make a living with Photoshop and use a Mac Studio for my editing machine.
Matthew，我以 Photoshop 为业，编辑机是 Mac Studio。
Contrary to what you may have heard, It is not necessary to have a huge internal had drive.
与你可能听到的说法相反，并不需要配备巨大的内部硬盘。
My setup works great I work on many images of all sizes.
我的这套配置运行良好，我经常处理各种尺寸的图片。
My Mac Studio has a 1TB solid state internal drive, 128GB memory.
我的 Mac Studio 配备 1TB 固态硬盘（SSD）和 128GB 内存。
it is connected to 2 external thunderbolt drives an 8TB and a 16TB.
它连接了两块雷电硬盘，容量分别为 8TB 和 16TB。
The 8TB is my Time Machine backup, the 16TB are my client and personal files.
8TB 的那块用于 Time Machine 备份，16TB 的那块存放客户文件和我的个人文件。
I also have a 2TB solid state drive hooked up as a scratch disk for photoshop.
我还接了一块 2TB 的固态硬盘作为 Photoshop 的临时文件盘（Scratch Disk）。
The machine is pumped into a 32" 4K calibrated monitor.
主机连接着一台 32 英寸、已校准的 4K 显示器。
I also use the large sized Wacom Tablet which is a necessity if you plan on being a successful retoucher.
我还使用大尺寸的 Wacom 数位板，如果你打算成为一名成功的修图师，这是必需品。
Good luck in your choice,
祝你选购顺利，
Walt aka PixDr
Walt，也就是 PixDr
to have a huge internal SSD drive, however you do want it large enough to store what you have with enough empty space for the future.
那么大的内部 SSD，不过你确实希望它足够大，能装下现有数据并为未来预留足够的空间。
The OP said he is not doing pro level editing, just basic "lite" editing.
楼主说他不做专业级的编辑，只是基本的“轻量级”编辑。
So Photoshop is not really necessary for the OP, he could just use whats included with MacOS, or at most a program like Pixelmator Pro by Apple, and that may even be more then the OP really needs.
所以 Photoshop 对楼主来说其实不是必须的，他可以用 macOS 自带的软件，或者最多用个 Pixelmator Pro，甚至这可能都超出了楼主的实际需求。
I think the M4 mini mentioned in the thread above is more then enough for what the OP needs.
我认为上面帖子中提到的 M4 Mac mini 对于楼主的需求来说已经绰绰有余了。
I may use higher end equipment but what I described is a good way to equip any Mac.
我可能会用更高端的设备，但我描述的方案适合配置任何一台 Mac。
I have gone through many Macs in my day in fact I have an old Daystar Genesis clone in the garage that I will give for free to any old Mac collector. High end clone.
这些年我换过很多台 Mac，事实上我车库里还有一台旧的 Daystar Genesis 克隆机，它是高端克隆版，任何老 Mac 收藏家我可以免费送给它。
The point is, run your apps on the machine and save your worked files to an external drive while using another as a time machine backup.
关键是，在机器上运行你的应用，将工作文件保存到外部硬盘上，同时用另一块硬盘做 Time Machine 备份。
With this configuration, you can easily move to a new machine when upgrade time comes around.
采用这种配置，当升级时机来临时，你可以轻松迁移到新机器。
everything on the internal SSD (if possible), is best, then all you need is an external backup drive (I use an SSD) for Time Machine.
如果可能的话，把所有东西都放在内部 SSD 上是最好的，这样你只需要一块外部备份盘（我用的是 SSD）做 Time Machine 备份就行。
Just my thought.
仅是一家之言。
drives. But came to realize it was a waste of time. I no longer have anything important to me on the computers. They are just for entertainment purposes now days.
硬盘上。但后来意识到那是浪费时间。现在电脑里没有任何对我来说重要的东西了，它们现在只是娱乐工具。
I also enjoy doing clean installs of the OS often enough as time kills. lol
我也喜欢时不时地彻底重装系统，毕竟时间不等人啊。哈哈
I'd like clean installs often as well. :)
我也想经常进行干净安装。:)
Doing clean installs "often" is just pointless & completely unnecessary on a Mac.
在Mac上“经常”进行干净安装是毫无意义且完全不必要的。
I don't do clean installs because of a problem with the OS. I do it for fun. lol
我进行干净安装不是因为系统有问题，而是为了好玩。哈哈
people systems. I have around 20 new built computer here, that manages to keep me occupied. I'm always making changes to systems. That is something a Mac user has no concept of doing in today's Mac world. :-)
修理电脑系统了。这里有大约20台新装的电脑，足以让我忙得不可开交。我总是对系统进行各种更改。这在当今的Mac世界里，是Mac用户根本不会去做的。:-)
then what is the point of all those PC's?
那么这么多PC的意义何在？
Mac users that have a Mac Pro's can make hardware changes, but not often as it's not really necessary to do that on a Mac once setup for awhile.
拥有Mac Pro的Mac用户可以进行硬件更改，但不会经常这么做，因为在Mac上设置好一段时间后，真的没必要这么做。
I use a Mac mini, so it's basically plug n play. :)
我用的是Mac mini，所以基本上是即插即用的。:)
It's still one of the things that gives me simple pleasure.
这仍然是让我感到简单快乐的事情之一。
Since I last posted, this thread really degenerated.
自从我上次发帖以来，这个帖子真的恶化了。
I only use Macs because I am in advertising and it is a compatibility thing.
我使用Mac是因为我在广告行业，这是一个兼容性问题。
All the agencies and corporate clients I deal with all use the Adobe Creative Suite on various types of Macs.
我合作的所有代理机构和企业客户都在各种类型的Mac上使用Adobe Creative Suite。
I work from my home studio and have been for almost 25years.
我在家里的工作室工作，已经快25年了。
I was just offering advice as to the best way to configure a Mac system that can grow with you over the years.
我只是想提供建议，关于如何配置一个可以随着你多年成长而扩展的Mac系统。
Worked all day on travel magazine images.
一整天都在处理旅游杂志的图片。
Fun work that pays well, all anyone could ask for.
有趣的工作，报酬也很高，这是任何人所期望的。
Good luck to all.
祝大家好运。
GuessGame is a Windows user that hangs out in the Apple forum.
GuessGame是一个在苹果论坛里混迹的Windows用户。
And has always used a Windows pc.
并且一直使用Windows电脑。
Just saying. lol
只是说说。哈哈
belongs here.. Just saying.
都不属于这里。只是说说。
At least I don't bash Mac computers like I could easily do here.
至少我不会像这里可以轻松做到那样诋毁Mac电脑。
Be thankful! :-)
你应该感激！:-)
All of your post in this thread are really miscategorized.
你在这个帖子中的所有帖子都 really 分类错误。
So express it as you feel, Not that it will change anything. :-)
所以随心所欲地表达吧，虽然这不会改变任何事情。:-)
considering this is the "Apple forum".
考虑到这里是“苹果论坛”。
opinions on why I believe Apple Mac products are crap?
我认为苹果Mac产品是一堆垃圾的观点吗？
Be careful what you wish for. lol
小心你许下的愿望。哈哈
Also you couldn't be more wrong. FYI: believing & knowing are two different things :)
另外，你完全错了。你知道吗：信念和认知是两回事 :)
Also considering you don't use Apple products, but most of us here do.
另外考虑到你不使用苹果产品，但我们大多数人都使用。
Max1000 and GuessGame often hijack threads in a classic (referencing Mad Magazine) Spy vs Spy trolling.
Max1000 和 GuessGame 经常以一种经典的方式（参考《间谍与间谍》杂志）劫持线程的挑衅行为。
This thread died over a month ago.
这个帖子在一个多月前就已经死了。
It was replaced by the top post by OP.
它被楼主（OP）的置顶帖替换了。
It became open game for a play ground. :-)
这变成了一个游乐场，谁都能来玩。 :-)
You actually troll posted in it Dec 14, 4 days ago.
你明明在12月14日也就是4天前还在里面发帖引战呢。
Having one drive with OS and apps and files on a seperate physical drive (not partition on the system drive) allows computer of any OS to be executing commands from OS/Apps while at the same time executing them on files. While for the average user the difference is unnoticeable, those doing large data manipulation (multitrack audio, video, etc.) see an increase in performance speed since the computer can read/write faster.
把系统和软件放在一个硬盘，而把文件放在另一个独立的物理硬盘上（而不是系统盘的分区），可以让任何操作系统的电脑在运行系统/应用程序命令的同时，还能读写文件。虽然对普通用户来说区别不大，但对于进行大量数据处理的人（如多轨音频、视频等）来说，因为电脑读写速度更快，性能会有所提升。
I have been doing this stuff for so long and have owned just about every type of Mac, I was just trying to offer advice.
我搞这些东西很久了，也拥有过几乎所有类型的Mac，我只是想提供些建议。
A lot of my clients call me up when they can't figure something out.
很多客户遇到搞不定的问题时会打电话给我。
Reliability of Apple computers is a big reason so many love them.
苹果电脑的可靠性是很多人喜欢它们的重要原因。
Just turned over the last images for a three week project for a travel magazine.
我刚刚为一个旅行杂志项目交付了为期三周工作的最后一批图片。
My system is a pretty nice setup and is arranged like a cockpit.
我的系统配置相当不错，布局就像驾驶舱一样。
My main monitor 32" is dead ahead with a 27" 5K iMac to right which is where all emails and web stuff is accomplished.
我主显示器是32英寸的，正前方；右边是一台27英寸的5K iMac，邮件和网页操作都在那边完成。
To the left are two stacked 26" displays. one for video surveillance and the other for TV or a second monitor if I want to move my tool palette off of main scree.
左边叠放着两台26英寸显示器，一台用于视频监控，另一台用于电视，或者如果我想把工具面板从主屏幕上移开的话，就用作第二块显示器。
The work I do is very high end and not like what someone's sister who works on a newsletter from home does.
我做的东西非常高端，不像某人的姐姐在家做通讯简报那种工作。
Think I am about finished with about all I can say without becoming nasty on this thread.
我觉得该说的差不多了，再往下说就要在这帖子里发火变难听了。
Have a nice weekend all. I will for sure.
祝大家周末愉快。我一定会的。
However my replies are based on the OP's needs.
不过我的回复是基于楼主（OP）的需求。
Just so you realize, your needs are not the same as the OP, or mine.
让你明白一点，你的需求和楼主或者我的需求是不一样的。
As their history shows, Max1000 and GuessGame are the queens of attention needy here. They often hijsck threads and turn them into a clasic Mad Magazine Spy vs Spy.
正如他们的历史所显示的那样，Max1000和GuessGame这里可是吸引眼球的女王。他们经常劫持帖子，把帖子变成经典的《疯狂杂志》式“间谍对间谍”闹剧。
I don't how many times I have to say that.
我不止一次说过这点。
reads & writes at aprox 1500Mbps, which I'm sure the M4 mini internal is faster, so how much faster performance do you really need? I am curious.
读写速度大约为1500Mbps，我敢肯定M4 mini内置的会更快，那你到底需要多快的性能呢？我很好奇。
has 14,800MB/s Read | 13,400MB/s Write speed.
读取速度14,800MB/s，写入速度13,400MB/s。
Do I need it? hell No. lol
我需要吗？ hell（废话）不需要。 lol
PCIe 5.0x4 M.2 2280
Have you checked to see what the actual speeds are?
你检查过实际速度了吗？
I used 3rd party free software to test my M2 mini.
我用第三方的免费软件测试了我的M2 mini。
what actual speed I'm getting. I'm not using that computer at the moment.
实际速度是多少。我目前没在用那台电脑。
Not that you would give a crap, but here it is. :)
虽然你根本不在乎，但还是给你看看。 :)
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z890I-EDGE-TI-WIFI/Overview
"small" type of PC motherboard.
“小型”规格的PC主板。
It looks to use the Intel Ultra CPU (x86based), that competes with the latest Snapdragon processor (ARM based).
看起来它使用的是英特尔Ultra CPU（基于x86架构），与最新的骁龙处理器（基于ARM架构）形成竞争。
although much larger then say a Mac mini. The heat without a larger case for cooling would melt the Mac mini. lol
虽然比Mac mini大不少。如果不用更大的机箱来散热，Mac mini会热融化的。哈哈
Not Apple related. :)
跟苹果没关系。:)
It's just that I come from a different world, and I'm just misunderstood. :)
只是我来自不同的圈子，只是不被理解而已。:)
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-2-nano/white-tg-clear-tint/
I have many cases but used this because it supported a front radiator for water cooler.
我有很多机箱，但选这个是因为它支持前置水冷 radiator。
However I am happy with my M2 mini, & it didn't cost a fortune, its fast & it runs MacOS. .
不过我对我的M2 mini很满意，它也不贵，速度快，还能运行macOS。
One is about 8 feet from this computer.
其中一台在这台电脑大概8英尺远的地方。
I use it often.
我经常用它。
edition. But for years I've been using Cinnamon.
版本。但多年来我都在用Cinnamon。
One thing, no letter drives :)
有一件事，没有字母驱动器:)
handle. lol
用户名。哈哈
I had made a post to politics and forgot. :)
我发了一篇关于政治的文章，忘了改回来了。:)
But hey, you think it's awesome, right? :)
但嘿，你觉得它很棒，对吧？:)
other. :-)
其他的。:-)
It all works.
总之一切都能正常运行。
politics. ( At the very least you live in a fantasy state of mind. )
政治板块的帖子就能看出来。（至少你的思想活在幻想里。）
When you post stupid shit, I will normally respond with my own. lol
当你发表愚蠢的言论时，我通常会回复我自己的。哈哈
the very meaning of Truth. lol
“真相”这个词的意思。哈哈
politicians. May they all rot in hell. :)
政客。愿他们全部下地狱。:)
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